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Ok I will lock this thread until I am finished then I will remove the lock.

Quote"I play a mechanical system which wins on both a real wheel and RNG", said Iwonder.

Samster My Mate.

It would not do anyone any Good to Call Iwonder a Liar.(not that they have)
I know the Man personally in a way that is just great .
And I will vouch for Him 100% .
He does play a Mechanical System and He wins with it....I know this for a Fact.
Actually just to convince the sceptics out there I will reveal a little more then maybe Iwonder would want me to .
But.
He won 1,700% on His 1st bank.
In other words He multiplied his original starting Bank by 18 times.
And this was not for peanuts either.(a small amount of Money)
And I am only talking about the very beginning of when He 1st Started.

I know more but its personal between Him & I.
However I think I have said enough to prove to people that this Guy is the real deal.

And I too believe that these guys from the Dark Side that say Systems Don't work are in a round about way calling People like .

Iwonder...Ronjo....Victor...Mr Chips...Winkle...Mr J....Enrique....Kimo Li...Ray, And Myself just to mention a few....... That we are All just Lucky and it could be taken that some infer that we are telling Lies  .

Which is disappointing to say the least.

However what I find amazing is that I am a Firm believer in what Herb & Others do and I actually know that what they do does work.

But what they fail to understand is that there is other things like Timeline Strategies and Enabling & Disabling Strategies ,combined with Money management that do actually work.

Knowing when to do All those things are the Keys to any Success that would /has /will ..come from them is what will determine that success if any.

And all of the Above mentioned people do that to some sort of to a degree and are successful with it.

Yet it Has to be the Dark Side Way or no other way....

Funny that because this Forum was built & started on the fact that one guy called Victor proved to whole world that the Lw Method worked.
Not only that but He was a full time pro feeding His Family from the proceeds of it.

And seeing that this Forum Started with 3 people.
Victor,Lanky & Sam. On 07 Apr 2007
And has since grown to 1927 Members to date.

You would think that We as a Team or More importantly Victor has done an Excellent Job to get us where we are today.

And all Because He Proved & shared a System that did Win & still does Win depending on how people Enable it & or Disable it at different times during the Losing & Winning runs.

However if We the people that do believe in such things say so.
We can be ridiculed...told we are Stupid...Grow up...Get a life...or be inferred to as Liars....Etc Etc.

Now Herb & I are Friends.
He is the biggest Roulette player in the World that I personally know of.
I know for sure & certain what He does works.
And He has helped a heck of a lot of people & changed their lives for the better.
For that the Man has My greatest respect and admiration.

After saying all that it would be stupid of  Me to even entertain the thought of having an argument with Herb over what He does & does not do or more importantly what He can or can't do in relation to Winning at Roulette.

However if I was to mention anything about the Timeline strategies that I or other people play .....people would come out of the woodwork to show me where I am going wrong & why it Quite simply can't work.

In fact it would not surprise Me if the Grim Reaper Himself came & took a swipe or two at Me with that Bloody big scythe He carries around.

Let Me see if I can give an insight into why sometimes what We  OTHER people do will work some of the Time.

Lets use this Example for argument sake.

Iwonder ran a 500,000 spin test on the LD to see if one thing would work.
That was simply this when LL came would it be profitable now to bet for another L to come.

So if this was successful it would now look like this LLL.

It did not work out.

So now for over 2 years + Victor ,Sam & I have been saying that You can win some of the time when LL<<bet W to come.

EG:= LLw if it was successful.
( I had/have extended that pattern to LLLw at times)

Now the 3 of us all had our own way of when & where to come in on that particular Pattern and bet.

And over that course of time it has been somewhat successful for us.

Now if LLL did not work.

Then I suggest that even the most narrow minded of people would say that at times we COULD win with, .
LLw .

Those times that it did work then it would either.
a)   Give us a win with a profit or
b)   Give us a win with recouping some or all of out losses.

Now that would be a Fair statement , would it not ??


Ok now lets look at this totally different scenario with betting & playing a single Zero wheel.
And this wheel is Bias from the area of # 8 to #18.
There is only two Large numbers in that 14 number section.
The numbers are 33 & 31 going clockwise..


Now along comes the Dark side with Herb etc.
And they sit down to play in the exact same area.
There is a great chance that they are going to Win .

But there is also a great chance that us OTHER guys are going to Win as well because of the ball hitting in that area.


Victor .& I are  playing for the W's on the LD.

Sam is playing Gamlet's Fire Method

Kimo Li is playing a Dominant Sector Method

Ray is doing His thing which no-one to this date not even a Maths person has ever proved He can't win with ....and yet he has given proof that He can win with it.

And over the Last 3 years that I know of the same thing can be said of Victor as well.
In Fact I was actually watching GG one day when the so called Maths geniuses were made to look  foolish when they supplied Victor numbers to play and he just kept on Winning.


Ronjo is playing His Method.

Mr.J & Iwonder are sick to death of Numbers 1 & 5  hitting and are having trouble finding a place to put their Won chips.

Enrique has hit that many Bloody streets He could publish a street Directory.

Now behind us .
Winkel has had to go sit down  and have a rest because He is Giddy because of the fact that He has nearly gone Cross Eyed from getting so many Crossings.

Mr.Chips is too busy to keep playing because He is counting the Money He has just Won.


Now not any one of us has the same betting Technique.
Yet is possible that everyone at that same table leaves a winner and we all played & bet differently to each other.

Now you can be sure that us OTHER guys did not in any way shape or form try & tell the Dark side guys how ,why or when to bet.

That would be Stupid of us to even entertain the idea.
After all those guys have their own way of knowing how, why & when to bet .

We don't have any idea or clue as to how they are going to attack/play that wheel or even when they are going to do it.
What we do know is that they are winning and we are pleased for them.

All We know is that They seem to have an Advantage by doing WHAT They do WHEN they do.

All We have in our favour is that the Casino does not control when either of us OTHER guys are going to bet....that's under our own individual control.

That's a part of our Advantage with the Timeline Strategy with what numbers the Wheel is dispersing at this given time,.
Along with Our ability to Enable & Disable the way that we play.
If I can explain it that way to You People.

(I will do more on Enabling & Disabling a little later)

Now ignore the fact that collectively all of the guys at that table may need a Bloody trolley to cash in the Won Chips.

What has just Happened ??

Well for a Start most of the VB guys got lucky because without Herb telling most of them the wheel was Bias they simply would not know.

Neither would WE.

But now they have found a Wheel that they can bet on with some degree of certainty.
Because of the Numbers that the wheel is dispersing at that time.

So did WE.

So now that enables them to have a winning edge to some degree over the 2.7% of the Casino.

Now Let me say this to You.
If they can win betting those exact same numbers in that area then so can WE.

Now don't You people believe for one minute that each & everyone of these VB & Bias guys win each & every time they play.

Neither do WE.

Some of them do lose sometimes.

So do WE.

What they try & do is win more often then when they lose.
That's what gives them their edge over the casino.

So do WE.

To be continued....please be patient ...My Wife has just had a Chest xray and has now to see the Dr. again.

Cut me a little slack please  My Friends.

Lanky.

Part Two continued.

In the past two years & during one of our many conversations Victor & I discovered that we had (many years before Virtually had the same system).
I think there was a 1 spin difference either way.

We would wait until a Dozen or a Column hit 4 or 5 times in a row and then bet that it would lose.
In JD terms it would look like this.
wLLL <<now bet .

OR
wLLLL <<now bet.

Now Even though We both had different ways of Betting it.
The two most important things We both had was these.
1)   We both would stop betting on it at a certain point.
2)   We both knew how to Enable & Disable it at what We would consider that it would be an Advantage to us to do so.


What Do I mean by that,???

Well I will try & explain the best I can so let Me give You this example.

And lets see if this thing will still work after all those years.
Using just theses Patterns.
LLLw or LLLLw

Every time you see this /< that will mean that for Me the system is now enabled and I have to wait for a Betting opportunity to come along.

And there will be a running total Bet Registry as we go along for each separate day in Question.

Now these numbers were Supplied to Me by Ryan.
I did not cook them up.
They are not mine they are His numbers.

SPIELBANK WIESBADEN SPINS   11/01/08.
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JD:LwwLLLL/<(Lw)LwLnolinksLw-LwwLLLw/<LnolinkswwLwLnolinks-wLLL(w)LLnolinkswwLL
Bet registry = Lww

JC:wLwLwLwwLLLw/<wwLww-wwLLnolinkswLLnolinksLLL(Lw)w-nolinkswwLnolinksnolinksLw 
Bet registry= Lw                                                         

JD:nolinkswwLLnolinksLwLnolinksnolinksnolinksLwLnolinksnolinkswwLnolinkswLLnolinksLwLnolinksLww
Bet registry  = Lww <No Bet

JC:nolinkswwLwLnolinksLLLw/<wwLnolinksLLnolinksLwwLwwLnolinksLwwLwLLwLLnolinkswLL 
Bet registry= Lw <no bet                                                         

JD:nolinksnolinkswLLwLwwLnolinksLwLnolinksLLwwLLww-wLwLwwLw-wwLwLwwLLww
Bet registry = Lww <no Bet

JC:nolinksLnolinkswwLnolinksLwwLLwwLLww-wwLLww-wLLnolinksww-nolinkswLwLLwLw
Bet registry= Lw <no Bet

                                                         


JD:w-LLnolinksnolinksLnolinksLLwLnolinksLwwLwwLLwLwLwwLnolinksw-LwLwLwwLnolinks
Bet registry= = Lww <no Bet

JC:LLw-LwLLwLLnolinkswwLwLwLLLw/<LwwLLL(w)LLnolinksLLww-LLL(w)nolinkswLww
Bet registry= Lnolinks

                                                       


JD:LnolinkswwLwLLLw/<wwLnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswwLLnolinksLwwLwwLwLwwLwwLLwL
Bet registry= = Lww <no bet

JC:wLnolinkswLLnolinksLnolinksnolinkswLnolinksLwwLnolinkswwLnolinksnolinksLwwLwwLnolinkswLw
Bet registry= Lnolinks <no bet
                                                         



JD:LwLLwLLwLnolinksLLLw/<LLL(w)LwLwLnolinksLwwLLL(w)wwLwLwLLnolinksLnolinksww
Bet registry= = Lnolinksw

JC:wLw-wLnolinksnolinksLwwLLwLLLw/<LnolinksnolinkswLLL(w)LwwLLL(w)nolinksnolinkswwLL
Bet registry= Lnolinksww
                                                         


JD:nolinkswLnolinkswLnolinksLwLnolinksLwwLLwwLLwLwwLw 
Bet registry= = Lnolinksw <no bet

So betting 1x1 & then 2x2 on the JD I won +3 units



JC:wwLwwLLwLnolinkswLwLwwLLnolinksnolinksnolinksLwLww
                   
Bet registry= Lnolinksww

So betting 1x1 & then 2x2 on the JC I won +4 Units

So I am +7 units for the Day.                                                     
                               

       

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SPIELBANK WIESBADEN SPINS   12/01/08.
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JD:LwLLLwwLLLw/<LwwLLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswLwLLL(Lw)LnolinkswwLLwLLLw/<nolinks-
Bet registry =Lw

JC:nolinksnolinkswLnolinkswLLLw/<wLnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswLw-nolinkswLwwLwLLnolinksnolinks-
Bet registry= 0
                                                         


JD:Lnolinksw-wLwLLwLwwLwwLnolinksnolinkswwLLwwLwwLwwLwwLwLwwLwLwLLL
Bet registry =Lw

JC:wLLww-nolinksLLwLLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLwwLnolinksnolinkswwLLwLnolinksLnolinkswLww-

Bet registry= 00                                                       


JD:LLnolinksnolinkswLwLwLLwLwLnolinkswLnolinkswLLwLnolinksLwLLnolinkswLLnolinksLLwL
Bet registry ==Lw

JC:wLnolinksLwLLnolinkswwLLnolinkswwLLnolinksnolinkswLnolinksLnolinksnolinkswwLLwLLLw/<Lw
Bet registry=000
                                                         


JD:LnolinkswLwLwLwwLLnolinkswLnolinkswLnolinkswLLnolinksw-wwLLnolinksLLwwLnolinksww
Bet registry==Lw

JC:wLnolinkswwLnolinksLnolinksnolinksnolinksLLnolinksnolinksLnolinksw-wwLwLLwLnolinkswLLLL/<(w)
Bet registry=000w
                                                         


JD:LwLnolinksLww-nolinksw-nolinksnolinksLwLwLLwLLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLwLLnolinkswwLLw
Bet registry= =Lw

JC:LnolinksLwLwLLwLwLLLw/<nolinksLwLLwLnolinks-nolinksLnolinkswwLLL(w)LwLLL(w)wwL

Bet registry= 000nolinks


JD:LLw-wwLnolinkswwLLLw/<LLL(Lw)wLwwLLnolinkswLwLLnolinksnolinksLLLwLwLLwLL
Bet registry =LwLw

JC:wLLLL/<(Lw)nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswwLLLw/<wLwwLwwLnolinksLLw-LwLwLnolinksw
Bet registry= 000nolinksLw
                                                         


JD:nolinkswLnolinksLnolinkswwLwwLLLw/<nolinkswwLLnolinksnolinkswLwLLwwLnolinksnolinksnolinksL

Bet registry =LwLw
JC:LnolinkswwLLnolinkswLnolinkswLLLw/<nolinkswLwLLL(LLw)wLwwLwLwwLwwLLLnolinksL

Bet registry= 000nolinksLwLLw


JD:wwLwLnolinksnolinksLwLnolinksnolinkswwLwLLwLwLwwLLnolinksLwwLwwLLLL/<(w)LLww
Bet registry =LwLww

So betting 1x1 & then 2x2 on the JD I am +1 Unit


JC:LLnolinksnolinkswLwLnolinkswwLwwLnolinkswLLwLnolinksLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLwLLnolinksLw

Bet registry= 000nolinksLwLLw

So betting 1x1 & then 2x2 & then 3x3 on the JC.
I would be even

So overall on that day I am +1 on both things

And over the 2 days Betting conservatively I am +8 overall.
................................................................................................................................................
Let Me put a link here for You what the Academy of Gambling says about that type of bet these days.

nolinks://nolinks.theacademyofgambling.com/roulette (nolinks://nolinks.theacademyofgambling.com/roulette)

Now Remember its Slightly different to what I am doing but I guess the Percentages would work out the same.

However I would Urge YOU NOT TO BET THE WAY THEY SAY TO.


Part 3 to follow.

Lanky.

Part 3

OK Now I am Not saying for people to rush out & bet that way.

On the contrary You could get your Arse handed to you pretty Quickly.

But My Bets got Me +8 units
Doing 1 3 9
You would have Won + 17

At $10 Units its either +$80 or +$170

At $25 Units its either +$200 or +$425

When I 1st started at Roulette I notice after many many Thousands of spins that very seldom did any Run of Anything go past 7 in a row.

And that's what I use to do, wait for that to happen ....I had to that's all I knew..

Even doing that I have been Bloody lucky because I have walked into different Casino's on five different occasions and seen the same Dozen has hit 10 times in a row just before I got there.

Now  an Asian Friend of Mine thought He had the HG and He and His Family would go to the Casino every day and wait for 7 of any Colour to come and then bet.
They would bet to win $300 a day Using $100 units.

It worked super for a long while but I could not get through to them that they should stop after 3 losses at the very most.

A long while later over two days they all went Broke....Everyone lost everything they had.

.......................................................

Now I think that I have been pretty Fair to everyone.
I think that I have shown both sides of things in a fair manner.

But let me say that if we all go about Preaching My Way & No Other way .

Then we are NOT going to have a Forum as We know it for much longer.

I think that there is far to many References to GG as being a bad thing by too many people for that not to happen.

And I think it would be a fair thing to say that's not what We would want to happen.

Incidentally I too at times look at GG.
You can Learn things there when their not at each other's throats.

And unfortunately I think the exact same thing will happen here if We don't all do something about it.

Now we can all see that by calling each other  names that its going to Piss people off.

And if You had a System for sale just a few short weeks ago on another Forum then You can surely understand that it would & could Piss people off when You start to preach from the Pulpit form the Dark Side.

And No-one that I know that was involved in that so called HG wishes that person anything but Good .

In fact We are all pleased that Herb has turned that Persons life around for the better.
And we wish Him all the very best going forward.

The two main problems that I see that is causing the problem is the fact that .
1) We OTHER guys that don't have the skill & ability that the Dark side guys have.
All probably wish We did .(I know I do )
And We respect them for having that Talent.

I know most of the guys in the Dark Side thingy & I get on well with them,

However some of us OTHER guys don't get the same respect from some of them.

It is possible You know that We have an ability that You Dark Side guys Don't have.

We have had to be able to do something else....Simply because We have had to devise other ways around things because of our love for Roulette but We don't have Your Talent or resources to be successful at either VB or Bias Play.

But maybe just maybe We could have been Blessed with another type of talent called Common Sense for Roulette.

...............................................

Do I like the Pit ??
No I hate it.
If you want to vent Your anger then go kick a tin or something.
But I have to put up with it because Victor wants it.
Either that or I have to leave.

Do I like the Dark Side Section. ??
Well I am not against it as much as some others are.
But I have to ask Myself this Question
Is it really a necessity ?? 
After all there are places like Roulette Physics etc that could cater for this type of thing anyway.

It could turn out to be a Forum within a Forum.

And here is My real fear about it
That it could turn or frighten away some new Member or any
Member for that Matter that might have a whole new perception on how to play the game that could change lives for the better.
By doing things differently to way the Dark Side looks at things.

Also it could turn out to be trouble going forward just look at what's happened already.

However after saying all that and knowing the guys in there the way that I do.
We are Friends and I hope that never ever changes.

And if Victor really wants it that bad and We the Administrators  & the Mods have the right to remove any insulting posts to other Members Of the Forum that come from the guys in the Dark Side.

Then in that case I would be willing to give it a go.

If that's not the case then I would vote a strong No.

................................................................


Look we as a Forum could be sitting at a Roulette table.

What if it's a Lady Dealer & it's the wrong time of the Month.
And one of us smile at Her.
She could just up and throw the bloody ball at that person.

And if she had Two Balls (Roulette Balls I mean)...
She could possible throw that one clear across the River.
Then where would We all be. ???

Now what do we do ??
Well There is only two things We could do.

And that would be to enjoy each others company.
Or argue with each other about who is right & who is wrong.

If we all decided to Argue.
Then hands up all those that would want to meet & do that on a regular basis ??

I am sure our numbers would diminish day after day.

And that's what's going to happen to our Forum too.
Unless We the Members do something about it.

I have some suggestions.

Lets stop trying to push our own ways down each others throats.

Lets stop Right Now with the Name calling.

Lets stop getting up & preaching My way or no other way.

Lets all try to get along with each other.

It does not matter that You don't like that person or those people You can still be Polite.

Civility Will Cost You Absolutely Nothing.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

PS Victor You can now unlock this Topic & open it for discussion any time You like.

If that's what You want to do.

Lanky

Since you opened your post and I can post I will.  I have very little to say, but our newest member, gingermolly, summed up my argument in two sentences.

I am very interested to see that so many people have systems which take into account previous spins of the wheel.

I mean no disrespect to these people, but I am of the opinion that it is a fact that previous spins do not have any impact at all on the next spin at all.

This is what I'm looking for in a dissenting opinion--just a little respect. 

Couldn't we all just say, "Well, it may work for you but it doesn't work for me." and let it go?

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 02, 2009, 03:35:15 PM

Couldn't we all just say, "Well, it may work for you but it doesn't work for me." and let it go?

Sam

You'd think...

Welcome back, Matty....

This is just another bump in the road.  We'll get over it and move on.

Sam