I did a 80 spins' test on this one at Dublin and the result looks pretty good
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=279 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=279)
pighead
I've looked this over a bit. Simple rules. Two lines which the author created. When betting time comes, one line must have fewer numbers than the other and it must have from 5 to 10 scratched out. Look at his "For Example"... He has line A with 10 hits and line B with 12. Yet he says too many in the good line. Why? It's ten and you can have from five to ten.
Did I miss something?
Sam
Hi Sam,
It is very likely he made a mistake in that example. If you look at the table in the "kind of attack" section.
the progression starts with 8 numbers and the good line should have 10 # canceled..
PH
pighead
I suspected there was a mistake. Thanks for your reply.
Sam
NP Sam,
Give the system a try. I did it yesterday and I hit those numbers in good line right away twice or three times..
Maybe that was because I chose the right table :)
PH
pighead, what a sexy name. If you would look at my version333 on this forum you would find that the author of the original version666 is Italian Diodoro who came lately with more systems, which actually work good. The expert on Diodoro's systems is now JLP who tested them with success.
Cheers Hermes
Hi Hermes,
Can you plz send me the link for the version333 ?
Hi!
Is it stop on the win or we bet the numbers till 36th spin?
Here is a spreadsheet to help counting the numbers:
This is format "Numbers" application (Mac OS X).
Please feedback me how does it work for you.
Br.
tryl
And here is Excel version of the spreadsheet.
Please post feedback.
Br.
tryl.
PS. I'll put those files in Download area as well.
@trylobit
I think we have to bet after spin 24 not after spin 18 as you wrote in the excel, or am i wrong?
Thanks for the excel! It really helps.
Hi zeus!
It's after 18th spin for single zero wheel and after 24th spin for double zero.
Do you play on american table?
br.
tryl.
Quote from: trylobit on January 03, 2009, 12:23:58 AM
Hi!
Is it stop on the win or we bet the numbers till 36th spin?
The way I did was to bet those # left for 12 spins, but I also canceled the # I hit and restarted the progression.
So you didn't bet just the numbers that didn't appear from one of the groups (A or B)?
You just bet on all the sleeping numbers after 24th spin?
Is that right?
Quote from: trylobit on January 03, 2009, 07:33:47 PM
So you didn't bet just the numbers that didn't appear from one of the groups (A or B)?
You just bet on all the sleeping numbers after 24th spin?
Is that right?
Correction, we should bet on sleeping # in the remaining group, either A or B?
Since the author did not mention what to do after 36, I canceled those in the first 24 spins and started up a new session by using the # in the last 12 spins..
No, it's not similar to GUT at all... (as GUT is based on the binomial distribution (crossings), and this is based on the law of third).
Read carefully the pdf...
You don't bet all the numbers left after 24th spin... As we all know it can be more then 20 numbers... You need different progression then it says in pdf then...
What you should do is what I've put in the spreadsheet. If you play single zero wheel:
You put in numbers and after 18th spin you select group A or B (the one with more "0", but between 8 and 13), so you bet minimum 8 numbers and maximum 13 with the progression from the table.
Why do you thing author would bother to divide numbers in 2 groups if you play all the sleepers anyway?
Does it make any sense for you?
Best regards.
tryl.
yes you are right, I misunderstood you in the last reply. you only bet on the sleeping numbers in the remaining groups.
Even though GUT and this one are based on two different theory, it does not stop us to use the method in GUT in my opinion.
In the group selected, if you have 12 sleeping numbers and 6 appeared, after a few more spins, do you think =0 and =1 will cross or not?
I wouldn't mix it with GUT.
I always keep track of the numbers with crossing checker and I bet GUT if I think it's a good idea...
Time to go sleep...:)
Good night...
C u 2morrow.
Quote from: trylobit on January 03, 2009, 11:38:50 PM
I wouldn't mix it with GUT.
I always keep track of the numbers with crossing checker and I bet GUT if I think it's a good idea...
Time to go sleep...:)
Good night...
C u 2morrow.
good night
cu !
The version 333 is on the page 3 in the middle. It is always good idea to wait for 24 spins before betting, it doesn't matter if Euro or US roulette.
Hermes
When you win, do you stop and start the count over? do you count back 24 numbers? Or do you keep playing those same numbers?
cd
Quote from: clothdog on January 04, 2009, 03:06:36 AM
When you win, do you stop and start the count over? do you count back 24 numbers? Or do you keep playing those same numbers?
cd
Hi Clothdog,
I thought about that when I did my test and Since nothing was suggested in the file, I restarted the counting over again upon the condition below whichever come first..
1. if the sleeping # goes below 5. let say you start with 8 numbers and you hit 4 numbers, that will leave you 4 is left.( the system is only valid when 5-10 numbers formed in A/B group)
2. continue until the 36th spin. ( the attack zone ends)
"( the system is only valid when 5-10 numbers formed in A/B group)"
No, it's valid when 8-13 numbers formed (5-10 numbers scratched out).
I was thinking about what to do on win, as it is not clearly said in the pdf. I stop and re-track.
Hermes, what do you think?
The most secure way would be to start from scratch what means to take a new 24 numbers because that way you adapt to a changing trend. The second best way would be to take 12 old and 12 new numbers, if you are in hurry. The system can hold a loss or two, it is difficult to lose with it. The single losses don't count only the whole session. The recovery from loss with the progression is strong but stoploss is recommended. It is not a holy grail but solid system.
Hermes
Hi there!
I'm playing this one for 2 days now and I made 1091units (6h).
The highest I went on progression was 8th step.
I start betting after 18th spin, I use progression and after win. I scratch few numbers (1-6), depends on how the groups look.
Hermes, I will run some test on your version of this system.
Br.
tryl.
Quote from: trylobit on January 04, 2009, 09:03:49 AM
"( the system is only valid when 5-10 numbers formed in A/B group)"
No, it's valid when 8-13 numbers formed (5-10 numbers scratched out).
I was thinking about what to do on win, as it is not clearly said in the pdf. I stop and re-track.
Hermes, what do you think?
ttylobit, you corrected me again.. thanks
Thanks, Tryl. Best will be if you do the tests on the same numbers for v333 and v666 to compare which one is more successful.
I think that betting after 24 spins is more secure. If you lose some session try to reconstruct the session with waiting for 24 numbers before bets, if it change the situation (wins or loses?).
Hermes
Good idea, I've just started to record the numbers from my sessions for test.
I'll give a feedback in few days in test zone and will give a link here.
Take care.
Test of the Ludomeccanica and Version 333:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/ludomeccanica-vs-version-333-t5290/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/ludomeccanica-vs-version-333-t5290/)
Looks like the devil 666 is beating me? In my testings I had often better results with the v333 but this test is too short to do resume. It could be some rotten batch of numbers, but one newer knows. JLP tested the v666 only and didn't lose either. Good combination could be to play the v666 with 24 waiting period instead of 18 because then you have less numbers to bet.
Thanks for the test trylobit (denkujem barzo). My grandfather was Polish from Krakow, but he didn't beat the roulette. The globe is too small.
Hermes
Hi Hermes!
I will continue tests, but I'm quite busy right now, so I'll do a session once a few days.
Well the glob is too small indeed:) So you are 1/4 Polish;)
I was tihinking about playing after 24th spin, but I'll run some tests for this modification first.
Best regards.
Trylobit.
i've tested hundred of spin on spielbank a couple month ago....v333 dont take the "0" in consideration for the 18 or 24 number count...i tried both way and always ended loosing in long term (maybe 1000 spin)....i dont think if i've tested v666....there's no software...should be hand tested
Someone wrote software for that 666. I have it. Attached.
Hi TwoCatSam.
It's me that wrote this excel spreadsheet. I made over 1200 units as far with this system (and this excel spreadsheet).
I'm wondering how this system would take a Roulette Extreme test?
Who can co-operate with me with creating a RX code?
BR
Trylobit
Trylobit
Sorry I forgot! Things are hectic at TwoCat Manor!
I have had a chance to test it a little. Am trying to find a way to cut and paste the numbers into itself or another copy so you could "jump back" so to speak and test from a new starting point.
Sam
Woooow!
I just had a session from hell with this system....
I was playing 12 numbers and the hit was in 11th step of progression.
The problem is that if it wouldn't hit I didn't have the bankroll to play 12th step!
I need to count how much bankroll is needed...
Wow... I didn't have that much of a thrill since I lost 700gbp using Martiangle;)
Take care guys!
That's the bankroll required to finish all 12 steps of progression and how much would you bet on the 12th spin.
8 numbers: bankroll: 392; last bet: 96
9 numbers: bankroll: 684; last bet: 180
10 numbers: bankroll: 1030; last bet 300
11 numbers: bankroll: 1540; last bet: 484
12 numbers: bankroll: 2544; last bet: 864
13 numbers: bankroll: 3835; last bet:1534
Best regards.
Trylobit.
Quote from: trylobit on January 05, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
That's the bankroll required to finish all 12 steps of progression and how much would you bet on the 12th spin.
8 numbers: bankroll: 392; last bet: 96
9 numbers: bankroll: 684; last bet: 180
10 numbers: bankroll: 1030; last bet 300
11 numbers: bankroll: 1540; last bet: 484
12 numbers: bankroll: 2544; last bet: 864
13 numbers: bankroll: 3835; last bet:1534
Best regards.
Trylobit.
....i would'nt play 13 numbers i think..... :-\ :-\ :-\
Quote from: trylobit on January 05, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
That's the bankroll required to finish all 12 steps of progression and how much would you bet on the 12th spin.
8 numbers: bankroll: 392; last bet: 96
9 numbers: bankroll: 684; last bet: 180
10 numbers: bankroll: 1030; last bet 300
11 numbers: bankroll: 1540; last bet: 484
12 numbers: bankroll: 2544; last bet: 864
13 numbers: bankroll: 3835; last bet:1534
Best regards.
Trylobit.
:o :o :o
Trylobit,
in the previous test, didn't you stop at LLL?..I am surprised to see the progression you went through!
Yes, I wait 24 spins and don't consider the zero as a number, what means if came zero or more zeros you take for every zero one more spin to wait. That could save you a bankroll for tough sessions. (never needed 12 stage). I think rather lose the session than bet more than $1,000. It takes a long time to recover it. That's why the flat betting was more secure. Or wait, don't bet the first 3 spins after 24 waiting period but the problem is that the number comes mostly during the first 3 spins after waiting period.
For that money you can buy you a good gun, a bottle of rum, and later shoot yourself. The less numbers you have to bet the better.
Hermes
Hi kompressor, I don't play 13 numbers because my bankroll is just over 3400:)
To pighead.
No, I don't stop at LLL, this is not a good idea. The earliest stop I'd go for would be 8th step of progression.
To hermes.
Waiting 3 spins after the trigger doesn't seem to be a good idea...
br.
tryl.
Me again........
I've learned something about this software if anyone wants to know.
Well, I'll tell you anyway!
Put in your 18 numbers and then your bets. Say you hit when you put the fifth number in--erase your first five numbers by clicking on the first box and then hitting the space bar. Hit the down arrow and do so until all of the first five numbers are blank. Then cut and paste your remaining numbers into the first box and you have "jumped back" however many numbers.
While the house is under demolition, I am doing spot checks of this system. What I am seeing is the column with the fewest zeros seems to be hit several times before the one with the most zeros. However, it has not gone beyond 8 in the progression so far.
I am thinking of a cut-off point in the progression. LLL maybe, as piggy said.
Thanks, trylobit, for the software.
Samster
Hi TCS!
I learnt so much from this forum, I'm happy that I can give somethink to it. Writing this software was a pleasure;)
About cut and paste:
What I'm doing is: let's say I've got 5 numbers under the 18th spin line. I delete 6 numbers from the top, cut the rest and paste in spin one (after a win I have one free spin before betting again (if trigger appears)).
About the cut-off point:
I'm not doing any tweaks yet,I want to do more trots to have more knowledge and experience about this system.
Although what I spotted as far:
Mostly the win is within first 3 spins, sometimes within 5 spins and I had 3 times situation that I've got a hit on 8th spin. Once it happened that I got hit on 11th step of progression.
But till I get that one trot hit at 11th step I made over 1600u. If I'd cut-off on 8th step I'd lose 598u. That means that the system goes on and I'm still up on over 1000u.
So in my opinion the cut-off shouldn't be earlier then after 8th spin after the trigger.
About playing after 24th spin I need to do some tests, but as far I spotted that indeed I play with less numbers, but they hit later...
Unfortunately, I've got exam session coming and I cannot spend a lot of time testing, so I play about 1h a day.
As soon as I will have my exam session behind me (07.02.2009) I will do some test of variations of this system and I will learn RX code, as I cannot find anyone who knows this programming language.
Best regards.
Trylobit
trylobit
Well, I was doing it backwards. The Track4 lists the numbers with the oldest at the bottom and the newest at the top, just like a marquee. I was running from top to bottom instead of from bottom to top.
I had much better results but I did have an 11 number bet go to the 12th step. I could not handle this. Still, there seems to be something to the idea.
Sam
All after all it crushed.
After many many good sessions...
I started with 20.00gbp and playing always the way that I can get thru all 12 steps of progression.
I was doing great till I reached today 74.00gbp. And now I've got 15,48. After session from hell. I was betting 11numbers 0.04gbp as a unit.
The dealer was spinning the wheel really slow and I'm not sure did it go 3 times around, but it doesn't matter now...
It's a decent system, but again disappointment...
I'm thinking about using only flat bet systems. Time to see how 4selecta works for me:)
Best regards.
(a little bit blue) Trylobit.
trylobit
Yes, I've had that "blue" feeling a time or two. Thankfully, it will pass.
A big thank you for posting when something does not work. More need to follow your example.
Since Mr Chips is no longer with us, should you or anyone else have a question about the 4Selecta I will try to answer it or I will e-mail it to him. We still communicate some. Hope that doesn't sound condescending--you may have it down better than I.
Good luck with future tests.
Sam
I think the only way to use this system is to make a stoploss at 8th step of the progression. As the most of the hits come sooner and after the 8th step the loss is not so harmfull.
Hi TwoCatSam!
Thanks for good words...
I talked recently to The Spider Kiss and he's using GUT (as I do) and 4 selecta and he says it works really good for him, so I think I'll try it.
Why Mr Chips is no longer with us Sam?
BTW what system do you use?
try
If I ever get back to playing, I'm playing the G.U.T. exclusively.
Mr Chips left as he felt the "Dark Side" section did not belong on our forum. Now, with the new "ignore" feature, he could ignore it and the pit as I do. I think he will be back.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 13, 2009, 02:48:06 PM
If I ever get back to playing, I'm playing the G.U.T. exclusively.
???
You don't play?
Here's why. I may get to play today.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/i-have-not-abandoned-roulette-my-studies-or-this-forum/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/i-have-not-abandoned-roulette-my-studies-or-this-forum/)
Hi all! Maybe it's a little bit late (after 3 months of playing), but it's better late then never.
I know what I'm missing!
Money managment!
I think applying Victor's 50% money managment to any system makes it twice better.
I think if I'd be playing the Ludomeccanica that way my bankroll wouldn't be harmed that way.
I made over 300% profit (start at 20.00 finished before the crush at 74.00) that means if I'd manage those mney wisely I'd be still in the game). In the mean time I'm learning Victors 6lines system. And I'm banning myself from playing for real money till the end of the month (I know I'm playing only for peanuts, but hay... I'm still a student and I'm not going to play with my food money ;)).
Best regards.
Trylobit.
Ps. Victor, if you read this, can you please give a demonstration session on the Anand'a coaching thread? Thanks in advance!
trylobit
I started the G.U.T. with fifty-cent bets. Now I'm up to $1. I consider myself a student, also. I think you are showing restraint and caution and that's always good. If you win with a buck, you can--when your mind is right--win with $5. My opinion, you know. Haven't been up the mountain!
There are those on this forum who bet more in one bet than I do in a month--maybe a year. Power to them and I hope to join them. Meanwhile, I'll just grind along...
Keep up the good work!
Sam
Thanks for the good words TCS!
If you consider yourself as a student, I think I'm in the kinder-garden;)
Anyway...
I'll keep testing and playing for small money if test will come up positive and of course I will give feedback here.
Best regards.
Trylobit.
Hi trylobit, can i ask on what Casino you are playing?
And is it live or RNG?
I've been looking for small table limits like the ones you are mentioningin this thread.
Always nice to do some "real" testing, with a little bit of money involved in case the test goes well :)
BR
Kingpin
Quote from: Kingpin on January 17, 2009, 09:06:15 PM
Hi trylobit, can i ask on what Casino you are playing?
And is it live or RNG?
I've been looking for small table limits like the ones you are mentioningin this thread.
Always nice to do some "real" testing, with a little bit of money involved in case the test goes well :)
BR
Kingpin
Hi mate!
I don't play RNG, only Live.
I play at Joyland. You have a smallest bet of 0,01gbp and minimum bet per spin 0,10gbp maximum bet inside is 10gbp per number, so it's quite good.
If you want to start playing even for small money don't make my mistake. Learn Money Managment.
I recommend Victors 50% MM.
Thx Mate,
Yes i believe in having some good money management and very good discipline when playing.
I have learned that the hard way from other session.
Personally I dont believe that a "mechanic" system can work without a very good strategy/money management.
Manrique also has some very good ideas about this.
BR
Kingpin
P-Head,numbers shown in line A/1,2,4,9...../and in line B/3,6,7.10..../is that for must,or can one create own numbers?
iboba:
if you want you can create your own, but the numbers are created based on the wheel layout.
Mananova:
That would be great, take it to the tasting zone and test it for 20sessions.
That should show how good it is.
BR.
Tryl.