Hi!
As I stopped playing for money I thought I will do some tests to find out what should I play when I come back to betting.
I'm testing:
777bet
tera-tnt
Ludomeccanica (Alessandro Diodoro)
Why those systems?
They suit me... I don't like 4selecta, I play GUT, witch mixed results. So I test more and more systems.
For all systems I use Victors 50% MM.
Target: 10-20%
Stoploss: 50% of current bankroll
Profits of the session: 50% withdraw, 25% current bankroll, 25% put on the side to create another bankroll.
Exeption:
Ludomeccanica, the 8th step of progresion on 13numbers will take whole bankroll.
I raise the unite as soon as it is posible to rasied by 0,1u.
BTW: The Tera-TNT I'm testing is coded in RX so I don't really have the rules of the system...
I think that's it.
Let's begin:)
Hey I think you played tera wrong... In system it is stated that you never change your bet selection
I will try to do your numbers with tera using Black then Red... I will post RX graphs
+20 after 65 spins
also +20after 65 spins
Hi Boo_Ray!
Thanks for spotting that.
I'll test those 2 sessions again with the right rules of tera-tnt.
The rx code I found in this forum is wrong!
I deleted the previous posts, as it I wasn't doing them right.
I'll put correct ones soon.
Best regards.
Trylobit.
Ok, here it goes:
777bet:
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Here is Ludomeccanica:
I started recording which step of progression is hitting mostly, so that we can set the stop better.
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Ps. Victor, why pictures doesn't appear in the posts anymore?
I think you played it wrong... please post numbers in txt that I can copy them and I will post table
Here are the numbers:
And please play it betting on High.
Starting from the oldest:
32
17
22
19
5
6
33
31
1
4
26
26
34
1
7
5
18
7
36
8
13
17
21
6
20
3
8
24
33
1
15
3
3
1
26
28
7
7
15
25
29
12
31
27
20
3
1
27
28
13
1
7
10
29
20
16
21
4
28
4
13
6
9
26
19
6
17
5
Session 4 for 777bet:
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
0,',,,,,,500,
1,'32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36)
2,'17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : High (19-36)
3,'22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36)
4,'19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,503,2 : High (19-36)
5,'5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
6,'6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
7,'33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36)
8,'31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504,2 : High (19-36)
9,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High (19-36)
10,'4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
11,'26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High (19-36)
12,'26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,505,2 : High (19-36)
13,'34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : High (19-36)
14,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : High (19-36)
15,'7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : High (19-36)
16,'5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High (19-36)
17,'18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
18,'7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
19,'36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36)
20,'8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : High (19-36)
21,'13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : High (19-36)
22,'17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : High (19-36)
23,'21,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : High (19-36)
24,'6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,495,3 : High (19-36)
25,'20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,498,3 : High (19-36)
26,'3,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,4 : High (19-36)
27,'8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,4 : High (19-36)
28,'24,Bet,4,8,-4,4,494,4 : High (19-36)
29,'33,Bet,5,10,-5,5,499,5 : High (19-36)
30,'1,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,492,7 : High (19-36)
31,'15,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,485,7 : High (19-36)
32,'3,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,478,7 : High (19-36)
33,'3,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,471,7 : High (19-36)
34,'1,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,464,7 : High (19-36)
35,'26,Bet,7,14,-7,7,471,7 : High (19-36)
36,'28,Bet,9,18,-9,9,480,9 : High (19-36)
37,'7,Bet,11,0,-11,-11,469,11 : High (19-36)
38,'7,Bet,11,0,-11,-11,458,11 : High (19-36)
39,'15,Bet,11,0,-11,-11,447,11 : High (19-36)
40,'25,Bet,11,22,-11,11,458,11 : High (19-36)
41,'29,Bet,13,26,-13,13,471,13 : High (19-36)
42,'12,Bet,16,0,-16,-16,455,16 : High (19-36)
43,'31,Bet,16,32,-16,16,471,16 : High (19-36)
44,'27,Bet,19,38,-19,19,490,19 : High (19-36)
45,'20,Bet,22,44,-22,22,512,22 : High (19-36)
46,'3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : High (19-36)
47,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : High (19-36)
48,'27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : High (19-36)
49,'28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,513,2 : High (19-36)
50,'13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : High (19-36)
51,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : High (19-36)
52,'7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : High (19-36)
53,'10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : High (19-36)
54,'29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : High (19-36)
55,'20,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : High (19-36)
56,'16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,3 : High (19-36)
57,'21,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,3 : High (19-36)
58,'4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,508,4 : High (19-36)
59,'28,Bet,4,8,-4,4,512,4 : High (19-36)
60,'4,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,507,5 : High (19-36)
61,'13,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,502,5 : High (19-36)
62,'6,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,497,5 : High (19-36)
63,'9,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,492,5 : High (19-36)
64,'26,Bet,5,10,-5,5,497,5 : High (19-36)
65,'19,Bet,7,14,-7,7,504,7 : High (19-36)
66,'6,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,495,9 : High (19-36)
67,'17,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,486,9 : High (19-36)
68,'5,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,477,9 : High (19-36)
[/table]
Hi!
Can you write down exact rules?
I.e. Why you didn't rise the bet after 1st spin, it was a win?
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
0,',,,,,,500,
1,'32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36)
2,'17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : High (19-36)
3,'22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36)
4,'19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,503,2 : High (19-36)
5,'5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
6,'6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
7,'33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36)
8,'31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504,2 : High (19-36)
9,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High (19-36)
10,'4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
11,'26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High (19-36)
12,'26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,505,2 : High (19-36)
13,'34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : High (19-36)
14,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : High (19-36)
15,'7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : High (19-36)
16,'5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High (19-36)
17,'18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
18,'7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
19,'36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36)
20,'8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : High (19-36)
21,'13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : High (19-36)
22,'17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : High (19-36)
23,'21,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : High (19-36)
24,'6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,495,3 : High (19-36)
25,'20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,498,3 : High (19-36)
26,'3,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,4 : High (19-36)
27,'8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,4 : High (19-36)
28,'24,Bet,4,8,-4,4,494,4 : High (19-36)
29,'33,Bet,5,10,-5,5,499,5 : High (19-36)
30,'1,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,492,7 : High (19-36)
31,'15,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,485,7 : High (19-36)
32,'3,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,478,7 : High (19-36)
33,'3,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,471,7 : High (19-36)
34,'1,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,464,7 : High (19-36)
35,'26,Bet,7,14,-7,7,471,7 : High (19-36)
36,'28,Bet,9,18,-9,9,480,9 : High (19-36)
37,'7,Bet,11,0,-11,-11,469,11 : High (19-36)
38,'7,Bet,11,0,-11,-11,458,11 : High (19-36)
39,'15,Bet,11,0,-11,-11,447,11 : High (19-36)
40,'25,Bet,11,22,-11,11,458,11 : High (19-36)
41,'29,Bet,13,26,-13,13,471,13 : High (19-36)
42,'12,Bet,16,0,-16,-16,455,16 : High (19-36)
43,'31,Bet,16,32,-16,16,471,16 : High (19-36)
44,'27,Bet,19,38,-19,19,490,19 : High (19-36)
45,'20,Bet,22,44,-22,22,512,22 : High (19-36)
46,'3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : High (19-36)
47,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : High (19-36)
48,'27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : High (19-36)
49,'28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,513,2 : High (19-36)
50,'13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : High (19-36)
51,'1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : High (19-36)
52,'7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : High (19-36)
53,'10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : High (19-36)
54,'29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : High (19-36)
55,'20,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : High (19-36)
56,'16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,3 : High (19-36)
57,'21,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,3 : High (19-36)
58,'4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,508,4 : High (19-36)
59,'28,Bet,4,8,-4,4,512,4 : High (19-36)
60,'4,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,507,5 : High (19-36)
61,'13,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,502,5 : High (19-36)
62,'6,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,497,5 : High (19-36)
63,'9,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,492,5 : High (19-36)
64,'26,Bet,5,10,-5,5,497,5 : High (19-36)
65,'19,Bet,7,14,-7,7,504,7 : High (19-36)
66,'6,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,495,9 : High (19-36)
67,'17,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,486,9 : High (19-36)
68,'5,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,477,9 : High (19-36)
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I didn't rise because I was in profit
Hi, guys
You are testing this with the advanced plays rules or only with the basic play?? :o :o :-\
Cheers, :D
JLP.-
Dunno...
after a win you up +1
if your unit is 5 or higher you up +2
and if your unit is higher than 12 you up +3
when your unit is higher than 30 you up +4
when you get to the profit you start again with 1.
What's the advanced play?
Ludomeccanica session4:
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These are advaced plays or something
red the system :D
if your unit is 5 or higher you up +2
and if your unit is higher than 12 you up +3
when your unit is higher than 30 you up +4
Quote from: Boo_Ray on January 19, 2009, 05:51:26 PM
These are advaced plays or something
red the system :D
if your unit is 5 or higher you up +2
and if your unit is higher than 12 you up +3
when your unit is higher than 30 you up +4
Hi Boo_Ray & Trylobit,
Yes, that is advanced play rules, but there are more rules.
if your unit is 5 or higher you up +2 ----> AdvP1 --->T1
On AP1 we cancel 2 counts on a winand if your unit is higher than 12 you up +3 -----> AdvP2 ---->T1
On AP2 we cancel 3 counts on a winwhen your unit is higher than 30 you up +4
(+6) ----> AdvP3 ---->T3
On AP3 we cancel 5 counts on a win AdvP4 ---->unit higher than 100On AP4 we cancel 10 counts on a winYes, is a little tricky all this.
When count = 1 ---> and when + from previous positive balance reset and begin all again.
Cheers, :D :D
JLP.-
Hi JLP!
Can you give an example session for numbers I posted before?
It will make things clear.
Cheers.
Quote from: trylobit on January 19, 2009, 09:14:56 PM
Hi JLP!
Can you give an example session for numbers I posted before?
It will make things clear.
Cheers.
Hi trylobit,
I have posted earlier in another thread from where comes Tera TNT. Is a little tweak of a system - Full Trio Play that is on the 302 free systems stuff, only have been added more levels but is it almost the same.
nolinks://nolinks.freeadultstuff.us/gamble/302systems/FULLTRIO.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.freeadultstuff.us/gamble/302systems/FULLTRIO.pdf)
Here is one test with numbers from Dublinbet (although it not goes with the permitted bets there) I made some days ago.
I haven´t tested this in full yet, but I think the numbers can escalate high in some sessions prior to cancellate it, so it requires a respectable bankroll I think.
What idea of bankroll you are managing for this??
Cheers,
JLP.-
I took 300u bankroll (with Victors 50% MM so I have 3 bankrolls of 300u each).
Quote from: JLP on January 19, 2009, 09:07:40 PM
Hi Boo_Ray & Trylobit,
Yes, that is advanced play rules, but there are more rules.
if your unit is 5 or higher you up +2 ----> AdvP1 --->T1
On AP1 we cancel 2 counts on a win
and if your unit is higher than 12 you up +3 -----> AdvP2 ---->T1
On AP2 we cancel 3 counts on a win
when your unit is higher than 30 you up +4(+6) ----> AdvP3 ---->T3
On AP3 we cancel 5 counts on a win
AdvP4 ---->unit higher than 100
On AP4 we cancel 10 counts on a win
its very confusing.... >:(
keep it clear and simple please...
AP1...5...2C
AP2...12...3C
AP3...??...5c
AP4...??...10c
AP5...??...??
thanks
Session 5 777bet
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Quote from: kompressor on January 19, 2009, 10:09:37 PM
what you mean by you up +2/+3/+4 ???
Hi kompressor,
Yes on a lose we add to the right of the line (as in the cancellation Labouchere) that counts according to the level we are.
Say we are in AP1 > 6 so we add 2 counts to the right :
Ex. the line is at this point :
1 2 3 4 5 6 ----> we now enter AP1
if we lose here in the next bet we add 2 counts :
The line is now :
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (7 & 8 added = 2 counts)
Lets say we win : now we remove or cancel 2 counts form the left : 1 & 2
The line is now :
3 4 5 6 7 8 and so on.
The same criterion with the rest of the levels.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, :D :D ;)
JLP.-
Hi Kompressor,
its very confusing....
keep it clear and simple please...
[table=,]
AP,Level,Add on Lose(right),Cancel on Win(left)
AP1,5,2C,2C
AP2,12,3C,3C
AP3,30,6C,5C
AP4,100,10C,10C
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Cheers, :D :D ;D
JLP.-
Quote from: JLP on January 19, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
Hi Kompressor,
its very confusing....
keep it clear and simple please...
[table=,]
AP,Level,Add on Lose(right),Cancel on Win(left)
AP1,5,2C,2C
AP2,12,3C,3C
AP3,30,6C,5C
AP4,100,10C,10C
[/table]
Cheers, :D :D ;D
JLP.-
... instead of adding just 1 count on a lost we add 1/2/3/6/10 according to game's AP...is that right ??
for AP1 i start adding 2 count when the reset indicator is 5 (7-2)
ex. xx345678
and others AP are activated at running-count 12/30/100 ??
Hi JLP!
I need to learn how to play the tera-TNT your way, as you're gettnin avarge of 0,95u per spin. And my av. is usually about 0,30u per spin...
Quote from: JLP on January 19, 2009, 09:42:12 PM
What idea of bankroll you are managing for this??
Hi JLP,
The maker of Tera-TNT recommends a 1000 unit bankroll to be safe.
Cheers,
Marven
Quote from: kompressor on January 20, 2009, 01:27:02 AM
... instead of adding just 1 count on a lost we add 1/2/3/6/10 according to game's AP...is that right ??
for AP1 i start adding 2 count when the reset indicator is 5 (7-2)
ex. xx345678
and others AP are activated at running-count 12/30/100 ??
Hi Kompressor,
That is correct mate.
Cheers,
Marven
Quote from: trylobit on January 20, 2009, 06:09:55 AM
Hi JLP!
I need to learn how to play the tera-TNT your way, as you're gettnin avarge of 0,95u per spin. And my av. is usually about 0,30u per spin...
Hi trylobit,
Which way you are talking about??
There is only 1 way to play it, that is according to the rules.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote from: Marven on January 20, 2009, 06:50:23 AM
Hi JLP,
The maker of Tera-TNT recommends a 1000 unit bankroll to be safe.
Cheers,
Marven
Yes, mate I agree the numbers can get high sometimes.
This system is for using when the bankroll has been created previously with other system or maybe beginning with lower bets and increasing the unit on stages.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote from: Marven on January 20, 2009, 07:02:39 AM
Hi Kompressor,
That is correct mate.
Cheers,
Marven
Totally agree on that.
Cheers, :D :D ;)
JLP.-
Hi JLP!
Take a look on my tables. Do I play it correct?
About the bankroll it's just a test. We will see how it will go with 900u bankroll (divided into 3).
Quote from: trylobit on January 20, 2009, 09:53:23 AM
Hi JLP!
Take a look on my tables. Do I play it correct?
About the bankroll it's just a test. We will see how it will go with 900u bankroll (divided into 3).
Hi trylobit,
Try to follow the guidelines of the ebook.
Also there are examples there.
Divide the bet as how they say (the cancellation line) - that would be more clear.
You don´t rise the bet when you are in profit.You keep with 1 unit.
Also when you begin and for example it loses the first bets you keep playing with the lowest unit(1) until win and begin to cancellate the numbers, then it will go to 2,3 etc.
Cheers,
JLP.-
I'll read the book with attention. If sessions I have played are wrong I'll post them again.
Br.
Tryl.
the "add on lose" is your personnal touch cause i dont see it in the ebook ??
in the ebook AP1 AND AP2 are to prevent to fall in a big hole in case of a bad sequence
your way we have to get around 50/50 even chance to reset the progression
do you have any proof wich one is the better in the long run ?
i understand the advanced play will be more profiting but i prefer finish even or lose small,reset the progression and play one hour more instead of losing my entire bankroll and go home like a loser
thanks for sharing
Quote from: kompressor on January 20, 2009, 11:56:28 AM
the "add on lose" is your personnal touch cause i dont see it in the ebook ??
That is when we lose we add to the right the units lost (1 or more according to the level we are).This is in the rules of the system I did not invented it.
in the ebook AP1 AND AP2 are to prevent to fall in a big hole in case of a bad sequence
Yes, all AP go for it.
your way we have to get around 50/50 even chance to reset the progression
This is not my way mate, is the full use of the system applying all the rules.
In the ebook there is also a basic play that can be used always without risking too much and stay on it.
do you have any proof wich one is the better in the long run ?
Haven´t tested in full this.The chances tend to balance in long spins run but there are some sessions that not.Not all sessions would be winners.
i understand the advanced play will be more profiting but i prefer finish even or lose small,reset the progression and play one hour more instead of losing my entire bankroll and go home like a loser
You play then only the basic play??
thanks for sharing
JLP:
Do you reset as soon a you're up or till in the BR is only one number?
I'll continue posting Tera-TNT results as soon as I'll be sure that I'm playing it right.
For now:
Session 5 for Ludomeccanica:
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Quote from: trylobit on January 20, 2009, 04:25:13 PM
JLP:
Do you reset as soon a you're up or till in the BR is only one number?
In the test I did till cancelling all numbers, but it can be played also as you say till +1 unit above the last previous positive balance.You can reset also here for reducing the risk and the time of exposure.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Right.
Because I did a first test till last number in BR and it's a risky game...
Ok... I'll run test and post it here...
Thanks for help!
JLP
with the full trio there's no AP3,4,5 and you always just add 1 count on a lose
please send me the link to the ebook your refer
thanks
P.S. with the advanced rules they trade the safety net for a big progression...so bankroll should be 1000 units instead of 100
Quote from: kompressor on January 20, 2009, 06:01:07 PM
JLP
with the full trio there's no AP3,4,5 and you always just add 1 count on a lose
please send me the link to the ebook your refer
thanks
P.S. with the advanced rules they trade the safety net for a big progression...so bankroll should be 1000 units instead of 100
TROYBIT
for basic testing purpose maybe you should stick to the full trio rules only (ap1 ap2 add only one count on a lose all the time)
advanced rules are for advanced players and advanced bankroll....one step at a time...
kompressor:
as long as this is only test (I'm not betting any real money) I can play the "full tera-tnt"
if you want send your email in a privet message to me I will send you the document with instruction of tera-tnt i received few days ago.
so I'll test it using T1 T2 T3 AP1 AP2 AP3, but I will play safe, meaning as soon as I'm in profit I reset or if I see it's going really bad I quit at the first opportunity.
Quote from: trylobit on January 20, 2009, 06:49:21 PM
kompressor:
as long as this is only test (I'm not betting any real money) I can play the "full tera-tnt"
if you want send your email in a privet message to me I will send you the document with instruction of tera-tnt i received few days ago.
so I'll test it using T1 T2 T3 AP1 AP2 AP3, but I will play safe, meaning as soon as I'm in profit I reset or if I see it's going really bad I quit at the first opportunity.
i would prefer to see testing on a 100 units bankroll if i'd like to play this week-end...a 1000+ units bankroll's sytem worth nothing around here...unless it is the grail...
please send me tera tnt rules....my email is in my profile....thanks
Here goes tera-tnt:)
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After 5 sessions the most stable system is Tera-TNT
Fastes growing is Ludomeccanica.
We'll see how it goes...
Session 6: 777bet
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Session 6:
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Session 6:
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Hi guys!
What do you usually bet playing tera-TNT?
black/red ?
even/odd ?
low/high ?
I think it's the best to play low or high, because if the progression hits the bet limit you can always move to double street, street, corner, pair of numbers or even straight number. So I.E. on the table with limits 0,10-10,00gbp I can go up to 180gbp a bet...
Maybe it's an obvious thing, but I think this information can be useful for beginners.
Best regards.
Trylobit.
Trylobit,
It's late and I'm beat, but if I ask you some questions on this thing, do you think you can help me out: Tomorrow, if I can get on.
Sam
Quote from: trylobit on January 21, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
What do you usually bet playing tera-TNT?
black/red ?
even/odd ?
low/high ?
Hi trylobit,
It doesn't matter mate.
The author of the system recommends that you pick on EC and stick to it for the whole session. This is based on the assumption that EC outcomes will tend to equal out.
If I was to play his way, I would first look at the marquee, and see if there is any of the EC's is hot, and then play it for the whole session.
If I was to play my way, I would use FTL (follow the last), keeping track of all three EC's using a Lw registry.
Then I would play wherever there is a concentration of hits. Wherever there is a concentration of w's I play that, and wherever there is a concentration of L's I play that (betting on L's obviously means betting against the last outcome).
I avoid fixity and just move to wherever the best conditions are. That's how I like to play.
Quote from: trylobit on January 21, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
I think it's the best to play low or high, because if the progression hits the bet limit you can always move to double street, street, corner, pair of numbers or even straight number. So I.E. on the table with limits 0,10-10,00gbp I can go up to 180gbp a bet...
Maybe it's an obvious thing, but I think this information can be useful for beginners.
Agreed.
Table limits should be the first thing to consider when playing such progressive systems. And with the Tera, I wouldn't go with anything below a range of 200 units in EC bets to be safe.
I've seen them bets get as high as 160-170.
Regards,
Marven
Hi Sam!
Shot the questions...
I'll be happy to answer any.
It's good to see the forum is up again.
I'll post last sessions I tested soon.
Sessions 7,8,9:
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Slowly but recovering...
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Marven:
I know it doesn't matter as long it's a 'even chances' bet.
I was just wondering what do you usually bet on...
As I said I bet high because it's easier to move the bet to double street, street, and so on...
BTW: I played with play money on dublinbet just to check out how it works ther, I had an horrible session that took 1,5h (one trot)! But in the end I still left with a profit. So I think this system is pretty good.
Sessions: 7,8,9:
Tera-TNT
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Sessions 7,8,9:
Ludomeccanica
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Trylobit
From the Tera-T N T manual:
BASIC PLAY
"...yadda....yadda....yadda...........you change only calculations, but never your stake."
Does this mean you never raise your bet?
Rather than ask them all at once, I'll wait for an answer.
Thanks.
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 23, 2009, 01:25:35 PM
Trylobit
From the Tera-T N T manual:
BASIC PLAY
"...yadda....yadda....yadda...........you change only calculations, but never your stake."
Does this mean you never raise your bet?
Rather than ask them all at once, I'll wait for an answer.
Thanks.
Samster
sam you need to change stake... I guess he ment that you dont switch from red to black or high/low
Boo_Ray
Thanks for that. Now the next question:
What is BR? Bet on Red? Bank Roll?
What about AdvPlay 1, T1?
Sam
Hi TCS!
Basic play:
You choose what you want to bet (only even bets). Let's say I choose to bet on high and you stick to it till you log out/ walk out the casino.
In basic play you change the bet after a win. Have a look at one of my tables.
"BR: Number row. Consists of FIRST NUMBER ON THE LEFT (PBL) and FIRST NUMBER ON THE RIGHT (PBD).
Sometimes PBL and PBD can be of same value."
I'd recommend betting high or low (in the test I always bet high). I wrote before in one of my posts why I would go for this ones (extending the bet limit).
Bankroll: for the test I'm using 600u, but 1000u is recommended (as one of our friends did ion this forum;)).
IF:
You have5 in the left (PBL) or it's a difference between PBD and PBL (IE 1,2,3,4,5,6 6-1=5) you activate AP1 (you remove 2 stakes from the left when win)
You have 12 in the left (PBL) you activate AP2 (you remove 3 stakes from the left when win)
You have 30 in the left (PBL) you activate AP3 (you remove 5 srakes from the left when win)
You have 6 in the right (PBD) you activate T1 (you add 2 stakes to the right when lose)
You have 16 in the right (PBD) you activate T2 (you add 3 stakes to the right when lose)
You have 31 in the right (PBD) you activate T3 (you add 6 stakes to the right when lose)
You have 100 in the difference between PBD and PBL you activate AP4 (you remove 10 from the left when win)
Have this instructions and take a look at the tables. You'll get it.
Br.
Tryl.
Trylobit
Thank you more so than somewhat! I will print your post and study it with the charts.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 23, 2009, 02:28:29 PM
Thank you more so than somewhat!
Wow! That's a first time I've seen such an expression. English is not my native tongue. Thanks for that, I love to learn new expressions in foreign languages (languages is one of my passions).
Take care mate!
Session 10:
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Session 10:
Tera-TNT
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Trylobit
Tomorrow I have to attend a gymnastics meet for kids. I will take your post and the original TNT system and study them.
You may have actually saved my life!
Sam
TCS:
Saved your life? How come?
Session 10:
Ludomeccanica
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Summary after 10 sessions:
Tera-TNT looks very stable and going up nicely.
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Hello trylobit,
Thanks for your initiative in testing.I am keen and have been following your testing since the first day you started.I have tried to locate the tera-tnt system but I can't find it.Where can I get this system?
Regards
sniper
Just send a pm to trylobit...He will send you tera by email!! :thumbsup:
Thank you very much for your suggestion Niksa. Thank you very much trylobit, I just pm you.
Regards
sniper
Trylobit
These gymnastic meets are so boring people stare at the rafters and contemplate hanging themselves. They play the same music in a two-minute spurt about a hundred times or more.
So, I will take your post and the printouts and study. I may retain what sanity I have left!
Sam
Session 11:
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Session 11:
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Session 11:
Ludomeccanica
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I had a session from hell today playing the Tera-TNT.
Highest drawdown was -651 :o and highest bet placed was 199, before it went back in profit. As you see, I have almost hit the table limit (200).
I can type the whole session here if you want.
I was statically (as the author suggested) betting on High.
The worst sessions I've had so far have been with playing just High, or just Low.
No thanks, I'm gonna go back to my usual human-based bet selections. For me, they're much more stable for playing the Tera progression.
Cheers,
Marven
Hi Marven!
Sorry to hear that.
Please, post the session here. We all can learn a lot from it.
Marven:
Which casino do you play?
So if you play tera-TNT you always bet the hot group of numbers from "even bets"?
BR.
Tryl.
Session 12:
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Session 12:
Tera-TNT
I'll stop posting the sessions, if you don't mind. It gets annoying...
If you have any questions tho, shot.
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No need to be sorry mate, I haven't lost money. :)
I play at Joyland, the Tera-TNT is not what I play by default, I'm just playing it with 0.1 chips right now, so even if it tanks there, it wouldn't really hurt my bankroll. I would only lose 60-70$.
As for the bet selection, yes I track all three EC's and see how things are going and play and keep moving to wherever the conditions seem favorable. It's all based on human judgment so nothing written in stone. I might play 2 spins here, and 3 there and 12 there, etc. depending on the concentrations of hits.
Ok here is the one scary run from that session I mentioned:
L -1 1,2
L -2 1,2,3
L -3 1,2,3,4
w -2 2,3,4
w +0 3,4
L -3 3,4,5
L -6 3,4,5,6 T1
0 -9 3-7 AP1
L -12 3-9
w -9 5-9
L -14 5-11
L -19 5-13 AP2
w -14 8-13
L -22 8-15
L -13 8-17 T2
w -22 11-17
w -11 14-17
L -25 14-20
L -39 14-23
L -53 14-26
L -67 14-29
L -81 14-32 T3 AP3
L -95 14-38
L -109 14-44
L -123 14-50
w -109 19-50
L -128 19-56
w -109 24-56
L -133 24-62
w -109 29-62
L -138 29-68
w -109 34-68
L -134 34-74
L -177 34-80
0 -211 34-86
L -245 34-92
L -279 34-98
w -245 39-98
L -284 39-104 AP4
L -323 39-110
w -284 49-110
L -333 49-116
L -382 49-122
w -333 59-122
w -274 69-122
L -343 69-128
w -274 79-128
L -353 79-134
w -274 89-134
w -185 99-134
L -284 99-140
w -185 109-140
L -294 109-146
L -403 109-152
w -294 119-152
L -413 119-158
L -532 119-164
L -651 119-170
w -532 129-170
w -403 139-170
w -264 149-170
w -115 159-170
L -274 159-176
L -433 159-182
w -274 169-182
L -443 169-188
w -274 179-188
L -453 179-194
w -274 189-194
w -65 199-194
w +134 RESET PHEW! :o
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Marven
Thanks Marven.
Can you post the numbers as well? It can be just in txt if you prefer.
What system do you play by default?
Cheers.
Trylobit.
trylobit,
I'm sorry mate, but I haven't saved the numbers. I have only noted the Lw for playing the progression on paper.
Regarding my play, you can have an idea about my style of play by looking in the post found here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/best-way-of-play-to-make-1percent-or-your-br-per-day/msg33747/#msg33747 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/best-way-of-play-to-make-1percent-or-your-br-per-day/msg33747/#msg33747)
For B&M casino play I also use wheel bias tracking but I don't use that exclusively.
Cheers,
Marven
Ok, thanks Marven.
Session 13: 777bet
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Session 13: Ludomeccanica
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Hi Marven!
I need to agree with you that betting always High is not the best idea, as I had a session from hell too...
over 50 from 80 numbers was LOW!!!!!
It's bizarre!
Anyway... I'll post the next session, hopefully this week, but for sure next weekend (I'm going on location with my studies for a week).
I'll finish this test on the 14th session. I'll post some charts and some ideas I came across doing this test.
Hi trylobit,
I have some ideas too. We'll figure out a best way to play this progression when you come back.
Take care mate. :thumbsup:
Regards,
Marven
Hello trylobit,
Wish you every success in your studies.Hope to see you back soon.
Regards
sniper
Hi everybody!
I'm back;)
Here is the session from hell, huge disproportion: 57/83 numbers were Low!
Session 14:
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Session 14:
Tera-TNT
I have stopped when the loss was about 50%.
Session 14:
Ludomeccanica
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Conclusions:
777bet: Not the best idea. I know it works for some people, but it doesn't form me.
Ludomeccanica: It has high unit per spin ratio, but it crashed, especially when the stop loss is set at the 8th step of the progression. It seems quite
safe with using 12 step progression, but it need over 4000u bankroll and when it crashes it crashes bad (I had one trot when the number came up 13th spin after
starting the progression).
Tera-TNT: The best system in this test. Stable growth. Even playing mechanically gives good results. When it crushed it still stayed in profit zone.
I think we need to work on bet selection (which of the even chances bets to choose) and maybe on the stop-loss, although I think a good idea is to stop when
the same point of profit/loss is coming up 3 times. Like: we are at -100, then it goes down then it goes back again to lets say -95 then it goes down again then it comes up to -105.
What do you think?
Marven, what are your ideas about this system?
Cheers!
Very impressive, trylobit!
You've done a lot of work on this. Thanks.
Sam
Yeah, good job trylobit. I believe terra TnT is the best...
JD