I just think its intressting.
They come and they go and some will allways be around.
Now i have try to conect to nolinks://nolinks.john-solitude.be/ (nolinks://nolinks.john-solitude.be/) but, no ,no, no, for days on.
I did it it because he hade a link to a site that i wanted.
Cheers LS
Well, that'd be a loss if john solitude got fed up. If i recall right his site was supported by donations too.
Gee, I better market a Member-only zone with useful material to join instead of sponsored donations. (i.e. read selected articles first, unlimited bots, and other goodies), this way it is perceived as getting something and not just donate :)
Should do that better, right?
We want our forum to be around for the very, very, very long run! Gotta do the best way to achieve that :thumbsup:
Hey Victor,
I think it's a very constructive idea. :thumbsup:
These donations are only temporary solution. Hopefully, there will be enough sponsors for the next few months, but it's not gonna last forever you know... Meanwhile, there will be enough time to think about [and create] this private section with useful material and special features for members. I dunno, maybe it's not the best option, but I can guarantee that it would be better than now or at least much more people will be interested.
I strongly encourage you to make some plan for the future mate...
And I'm absolutely sure you will do your best! And you'll do the best... ;)
Regards,
m
Victor
A membership fee of $5.00 per member per month is certainly reasonable in this day and age. For all the work you do, you deserve to keep what's left over for you and yours.
Sam
Sam,
You're perfectly right buddy, I believe everyone would agree with you. I do not think Victor should put some extra effort in order to keep the donations... At least no more than he has done until now. Maybe some part of the board's content should be organized in this PPV (pay-per-view) section and with these extra features like bots etc., it's gonna entice users to participate... and that's all. There are tons of people out there who spend thousands of dollars on some scam roulette systems and I'm sure we can take advantage of that fact - people believe that paid stuff is special, more interesting... Okay not all people, but enough. But in this case, all the content is worth-while and the information is true and has some value. (boy, why the heck am I comparing VLSroulette.com to some scam web sites?! :pPp )
Basically, the question is not what does Victor deserve but how to maximize the number of people involved in the sponsorship.
Regards,
mistarlupo
QuoteA membership fee of $5.00 per member per month is certainly reasonable in this day and age. For all the work you do, you deserve to keep what's left over for you and yours.
Yes i agree to that :thumbsup:
LS
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 30, 2009, 08:21:47 PM
A membership fee of $5.00 per member per month is certainly reasonable in this day and age.
That's why I set my donation to $10.00. I'm paying Arte's too. It's the least I could do. Really, it's the very least. :)
Thanks for the kind words guys.
I have absolutelly no problem in devoting the time & effort to keep on running the website, actually I truly enjoy it.
What I want is:
1) To ensure we'll be active for the very very long run.
2) To keep on getting more resources as needed without problems. I can picture gigabytes worth of testing data hosted by us in the future, as we grow, goal is to be able to increase resources without any issue.
3) If I can give the lady some goodies on forum's account she then supports me gladly. At times she does complain about me devoting extra time to the board and not the family. She has no complains about me devoting extra time to working, if she sees the forum as helping & adding to our family support, she will give 100% thumbs-up :thumbsup:. She happy = me happier by extension :)
This site is totally part of my life. Being the forum admin is an enriching experience for me too. I'm eager too for improving the site and having my systems tested through the bot and learning & sharing more about the game.
This is a never-ending experience. Gambling is a non-stop thing, you are a gambler in your blood even when not at the casino. I enjoy casino life, although I simply can't go as much as I wish... but still this full-time gambler bug is in me, I know it is possible as I've been there and survived, but also I must think in the family, the responsible thing isn't to leave the bacon at the will of the ivory ball.
Regarding paid membership.
What I'm just thinking goes in the lines of adding a certain "buffer" (say 30 or 45 days delay) for selected articles to be hosted for sponsors' only area first and then they will reach the public part (I still don't really know which delay could be worth enough to create "value" to join).
Also, perhaphs limiting testing bots to 1 continuous bot per free member and unlimited bots to paying ones. Perhaphs also letting paid members keep their system's stats private, this may appeal to some.
I want to make something which is perceived as valuable so the website stands on its own. I want to ensure you guys there's the will from me to be the admin for the times to come. The site itself isn't in danger of dissapearing, what is there to be worked and supported among all of us are the "goodies", and yes, that member-only area will add up in motivating people to support.
Thanks for your words & very best regards.
Big hug [smiley=im/dude_hug.gif].
Victor
Victor,
If I were wanting to get the most out of my family life, I'd stop administrating this forum. I'd let my wife know that I would only gamble once I was absolutely sure that I had a winning method.
Now I know that a forum can eat you up. Being the active administrator can make that even more of a problem. It might be worth far more than you can imagine in this moment but you might need to be freed from this thing. Just ask yourself if you are going to learn anything more that will improve your career as an IT person by adding this headache. Your goal should be to find that winning system and to free yourself from all this trouble. Why allow yourself to be squeezed and your time to be taken from you and your family. These forums need to be so simple they can run themselves. You are not going to receive the reward you are looking for in sharing endless systems that you probably wouldn't take into a casino your self. I'm appealing to you as a fellow programmer. This forum is sucking resources from you for little more than internet friendships. You can follow your friends to any forum. You can use all your programming time to search for that working system. I'm begging you to consider being more selfish. It's OK to do that. The discussion of roulette will continue. I've had internet involvement eat up my time before. It's a great lesson to let it go. There is not a single person I know on planet earth that does not believe you are a prince and a classy gentleman.
Please consider my intentions in risking giving such advice. I mean the best for you. This is the time to weigh what you must give up in order to get all this server sided web applications stuff going. The response in your poll was pathetic. I just want you to ask again how many will attempt to use your testing bot. You could do personal testing apps for those few that really want a test done. Almost nobody wants to compete. I don't ever want to risk giving away my moves. Just how many happy people are going to be enough for the sacrifice to your family? This problem has brought the logical end to all this effort. Now it's time to pay yourself.
Mark, I run this for pure self-enjoyment. It has been from day one and it will continue to be.
I haven't been off from scenes like wifey coming to the PC late at night and find me coding, but it is rewarding at the personal level, heck, even Lanky has sent me to bed at the chat more than once!
As for myself, I don't see this as a burden, being bound to staying in front of a PC as a part of my day-to-day life I am okay in having my "internet hideout": here! I try to be around for as much as I can, wherever I can.
As for my fulltime gambling experience, I was perhaphs too lucky. I don't have the positive edge, I just took 2000 units worth to the casino, bet 1 unit at 5 double-streets and used a labby over 2 dozens/columns as a recovery for getting those -5 units back. that was it, plain and simple. Recovering 5 units backed with a 2000-unit bank isn't inconceivable. Granted, there were days on which the betting series simply won't close and I lost some (mostly out of fear of losing some more, when one is playing to eat one can't never be too cautious).
But in the monthly average all the time I was doing it full-time I was up. But she couldn't take it. She always has fears of a bad run eating us up, when I was at the casino I wasn't only for me, but I was also for the family!
I must say the bread has been always on time here. We never have been in the situation of not having to eat. Never. When in between contracts (at times for several months in a row) this is what I did for a living, later on I understood it wasn't a smart move.
Later on I understood sooner or later such way to play could fail. Badly. Even though I had extra banks, I then switched to less unit-intensive plans. And it has been "so so".
She draw the line to me. As long as there's enough for the family via regular income, she's okay with me gambling my share from it (as every husband knows, what one earns has first to supply family, then wife and only then oneself, well, that's what I use).
She has said to me many times she doesn't want to eat from gambling, but she doesn't tells me not to go. As a matter of fact, she expects some money from my gambling to be granted to the family (and herself), but as every down-to-earth woman she regards it as an "extra", nothing more. Explicitly said.
As a fellow programmer I know my limits. Family goes first. It isn't really as bad. I'm around enough for Vic. Jr. I still can hang out with the wife.
Working at IT around here at Venezuela is a middle-payment job. Nothing fancy. I did more dough at my hardcore gambling days, but then uncertainty was too much for the lady to take. I did the smart move. Between gambling and the family, family goes first; likewise, between programming and the family: first place goes to the family.
I'm a computer enthusiast and a gambler at heart. Besides, what am I going to do when reinstalling PC's or waiting for software to finish its job, at times behind an endless progressbar? I want to be able to visit this forum, I am and will always be another user too... with a few extrabutons to push at the interface ;)
All in all my mate, I'm trying to balance it out as much as I can; the moment I need "forum vacations" I'll take them... but that's it: vacations.
Quote from: VLSroulette on January 31, 2009, 03:25:44 AM
All in all my mate, I'm trying to balance it out as much as I can; the moment I need "forum vacations" I'll take them... but that's it: vacations.
OK, Good Good.
I have a brother that moderates one of the most premier forums of psychology around the world. He's been the moderator for 13 years now. Today he wrote me to go look at the textbook that just showed up at Amazon dotCom.
The guy assembled the most well known research practitioners in his field and wrote a very important step instrument for starting research in his field of psychology. It's a college level text book published by Cambridge Scholarly Press in England. When he first posted to the internet, on his first forum, he says, "I've been lurking for you and now I've found you." I guess he thought it was funny. Of course it must have sounded naive. So today he says to me. And now for the never ending saga for "I've been lurking for you and now I've found you." Then he lays this text book on me. I knew he was working on it but it made it official. He's been involved in many publishings in the past but this one was a big deal.
So why did I tell you all this? I just wanted to come right out and give you an excuse and a reason to let it go. I see you have the same affliction as my brother. He loved his forum too. So in that regard I hope the very best for you in all the years ahead that you run this thing. Who knows what it will lead to in the years ahead. My brother acted as if he were at the center of everything and a decade later he is at the center of everything. So I wish you all the best luck with this.
Mark
Victor, best post from you I've ever read..
Spike, not being able to win flat betting (not owning the positive edge), I can only be sincere.
For those who can't beat the house edge there's nothing but using progressions and there it is luck with that.
Now I realize my lesson; next time I try to go full-time pro again, I shall only do it if and only if I can show myself for a prolonged period of time I can beat the house edge and can walk without using the "progression cane".
I could still be at any local casino, job-less, thinking my labby would feed the family forever... I'm thankful to the roulette community for that.
Victor,
When I first came here, the only things I knew were the martingale and a simple single dozen progression.
You and Lanky were and still are my greatest sources of inspiration on both, the 'roulette' and the personal levels. :)
All the best,
Marven
I win consistantly flat betting but I don't beat the edge. At least I can't prove it with math that I do.
Quote from: Spike on January 31, 2009, 07:47:16 AM
Victor, best post from you I've ever read..
First time i see Spike reveal his sentiments. Maybe he is not a cyborg. ;D
>>Now I realize my lesson; next time I try to go full-time pro again, I shall only do it if and only if I can show myself for a prolonged period of time I can beat the house edge and can walk without using the "progression cane".>>
You can win consistantly without mathematically beating the house edge. The house edge is written in stone. On the EC's in roulette, when you bet its always 50/50 and the zero is still there. If you consistantly get 6 out of 10 right, have you beaten the house edge? Or are you just getting around the edge because you're playing a game of your own that the house game wasn't designed for.