I have posted this in this section, as I don't know if this has been approached before, please if anyone can recall this approach, please let me know here.
Basically, i have been using a excel tracker to track the unhit numbers in a 36 spin (No Zero) or 37 spin (Single Zero) cycle.
These unhit numbers are then played for the following 36/37 spins, using a progression, which is reset after a hit. Early tests show fanomanal results. I have tested the idea on No zero only for now. During the unhit number play of 36 spins, you will enter the numbers into the tracker for the next selection.
The order goes as such:
1. First track 36 spins to get unhit numbers. (using the excel tracker) 37 for single zero.
2. Place bets on unhit numbers, 11 to 14 numbers (usually)
3. Delete spins from excel tracker.
4. Enter numbers in tracker as you are playing the betted numbers.
5. When you have played the unhit for 36/37 spins.
6. The next set of unhit numbers will be listed for the next session.
7. Return to step 2 above and continue.
Now there are 2 ways to look at this. Play as listed above, which in 648 (576 Betted) spins has not failed on the progression yet, just the bankroll, as in the Bankroll Balance Trends Below.
Or, play for the first win and stop, retrack and so on. [I have not tested this method yet].
This way i have noted that 16 sessions have hit on the following Spin numbers: 3,4,2,2,1,2,3,2,2,1,4,1,3,3,1,17.
[ last session was 16 spins before an 11 number selection hit, it hit on the last progression step, so not a loss per say] {NB* the session before was a 16 number selection, this is above the "normal" law of third distibution?, which could have attributed to the 16 no show}.
This Session is the first 10 sessions as listed above.
Starting BR: 1000 units
Session High: 2645 units
Session Low: -1033
Ending BR: 2634
Spins: 396
Profit: 1634
Units Per spin: 4.13 [This includes the first 36 unbetted spins, otherwise it's 4.53]
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This Session is the last 6 sessions as listed above. (The big drawdown was the 16 spin no show)
Starting BR: 1100 units
Session High: 2613 units
Session Low: -3075
Ending BR: 2580
Spins: 252
Profit: 1480
Units Per spin: 5.87 [This includes the first 36 unbetted spins, otherwise it's 6.85]
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I will continue to run the tests and keep it posted here, if something comes of this i will ask it to be moved to the testing thread.
I will continue to monitor when the first hit occurs, If playing for the stop on a win approach seems viable, IE: majority hits between 1 - 6 spins, i will look further into a 6 step progression stop loss.
The Excel tracker is attached below.
Quote from: MXkid77 on February 05, 2009, 07:37:37 AM
Now there are 2 ways to look at this. Play as listed above, which in 648 (576 Betted) spins has not failed on the progression yet, just the bankroll, as in the Bankroll Balance Trends Below.
Unfortunately, the bankroll is the important bit, and that's a major failure.
Even the Martingale won't fail on the progression (you must
eventually get a win) but fails on the bankroll.
Regards,
Rudy
Why not do the opposite? And play the hit numbers, or the numbers that have hit more than once.
Rudy, you are right in what you say, any progression can win, barring table limit and BR restrictions. it's not set in stone to play like this, that's why i will continue to look at ways to capture the hits, without risking the house,car and wife..... ;D
Shorty, i have been looking into that as well, i have a repeater tracker which shows which numbers have hit twice, and bet them all for one of them to hit a third time. As above, you still have to use a progression when a hit does not occur in a reasonable amount of spins. On one occasion there was no 3rd hit on any of the numbers in 36 spins, let me see if i can find the data quick......
Here you go, No Zero Roulette
Starting BR: 1000 units
Session High: 2203 units
Session Low: 906
Ending BR: 2203
Spins: 3301
Profit: 1203
Units Per spin: 0.36
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Actually does not look to bad, don't know why i stopped testing with it...... ;D
Hi mxkid
How strange cos I too have been testing the exact same thing this week!!
I have never gone over the 10th stage of progression yet.
Will keep testing and post findings on her later...Good luck
The Spiders Kiss
oops...I have been playing the numbers not shown for 36 spins btw
TSK
Hi TSK, you mean as in the first post of this thread? play unhit numbers after tracking 36 spins?
yes mxkid that is correct :)
TSK
mxkid
Once I hit a number I retrack the next 36 spins and start again.
Do you carry on with the progression after a hit?
TSK
Yes, after a hit, reset the progression and continue, hit again, reset, continue. You will be surprised how many hits occur in 36 spins on the unhit numbers from the previous 36.
I will just quickly convert the betting history into a LW registry to give you an idea of the hit ratio.
Can anybody explain, how there can be a jump by 5400 units in this chart?
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to win 5400 units you have to bet on a single number 150 units?
Where is this spread available?
br
winkel
Thats a very good question Winkle.
Ok here's the LW for the first Bankroll Balance Trend image in the first post.
Spins 1-36: Tracking
Spins 37-72 13#'s: llwlwlwllnolinkswwllllllllwlwlwlllllwlll
Spins 73-108 11#'s: lllnolinksllwwlwlllllllwwllwlllwlwlwlwlw
Spins 109-144 14#'s: lnolinksllllwllwlwllwlwlwwllllllnolinksllllw
Spins 145-180 11#'s: lwlllllwwlllllwllllllllllllllwwlllww
Spins 181-216 13#'s: wlwwllllwlwlnolinkswlwlwlllwllwlllllllwl
Spins 217-252 11#'s: lwlllwllllwlllllwlllllllwwlwwlwlwwll
Spins 253-280 12#'s: llwllllwlllllwlwlllllllllllwwllwwlll
Spins 289-324 13#'s: lwlwlllllwwllllwllwwllwlwlllllwlwwll
Spins 325-360 13#'s: lwwlllllllwlllllnolinkslllllwwlllllllwll
Spins 361-396 11#'s: wlllllwwllllwwllwwlllwllwllwllllllwl
Winkel/Mat
The RNG i play at has a R0.10 - R200.00 spread.
Just to be clear, this is by no means a system yet, and due to the progression is possibly unplayable. The idea here is develop it into something of use.
Here's the LW for the 2nd Bankroll Balance Trend in the first post.
Spins 1-36: Tracking
Spins 37-72 13#'s: lllwllllwwlwwlllllwllwwllwwllllllwll
Spins 73-108 13#'s: wlllllwwllnolinksnolinksllwlwlwllllnolinksllwwll
Spins 109-144 13#'s: llwllwllnolinkslwllwwlnolinksllwllllllwlwwll
Spins 145-180 12#'s: llwlllwlwlllllwlllllllwlwwlllllwllll
Spins 181-216 16#'s: wwlllwwlwwlllllwllllwwlwlwwllwwlwllw [Bet 16 numbers to see what would happen]
Spins 217-252 11#'s: llllllllllllllllwllllwlllwwlwlllwlll [Started with the 16 misses]
Hi mxkid
just played this leaving the bets to run ala your 2nd explanation.
Only betting on 13 numbers went.....LLLLWWWW.......stopped at this point :)
sweet!!!
regards The Spiders Kiss
That's awesome mate, the unhit numbers from the previous 36 spins do seem to hit early in the next session, maybe the idea could be to not chase them.
Did you flat bet the or use a mild progression?
If you look at the LW's i posted, most of the first hits are between 1 & 4 spins. Possibly a 6 spin mild progression is the ticket, if no hit, retrack and try again, i am sure the wins will outway the losses..
Any idea's?
hi mxkid
I used a mild progression then after my 1st win I cleared bets and started again so I flat bet the rest in this instance.
I think your idea of 6 spins for a win may need to be a bit longer(10)........I have quite a few instances of no hits til bet 8,9 or 10.
Or wait and spin out 40ish spins initially....your thoughts mate??
The Spiders Kiss
Sorry for not replying, i am trying to learn to code, so i can run all these ideas through RX, and make small adjustments where nessesary, so tired of manual testing at the moment...... ;D
I did do some sort tests on mild progression till the first hit, 6 step. Seems positive.
Have you seen the frst hit go past 10 yet, i had 16 misses in the first post, but maybe the 16 bet numbers before is a sign to stop, bet virtual until an early first hit again.
i would also like to explore a aggresive progression for the first hit, which could finance the flat bets for the remainder of the spins?????
Hi mxkid
I have seen it go past 10 twice both times with 18 numbers.
The 2nd time I virtual bet until the 1st number was hit then I progressed as normal and got a hit straight away.
I think that 15 numbers or less seems to indicate a good starting trigger to bet.
Will look into an aggressive starting progression to feed the other bets and get back to you.
The Spiders Kiss
Hi folks,
this strategy was the start of my "RNF"
I have tested it
with just 1 bet
2 bets
3 bets
...
13 bets
with and without progression
with stop after 2 misses and restart after paper-win.
That lead me to weight the probabilties of the sleepers, the normal and the favourites
You cn guess why I stopped this >:D
br
winkel
Hi Winkel
Thanks mate
TSK