Hi all,
I have been looking at certain things that happen a lot or maybe just have to happen, mainly at the streets most of the time within less than 30spins we mostly always see one street minimum with all the numbers hit from that street.
so took my time to expain hope you all understand.
(flat betting).
we log on or sit down at a table and see the last numbers spun around 10 numbers they will show you of history, make a note of these numbers because we are looking for streets with 2 of the 3 numbers hit in the last 10 spins that we have made a note of (usually 1 streets qualifies).
A- 1,2,3
B- 4,5,6
C- 7,8,9
...
...FOR ALL THE STREETS THIS MAKES IT EASIER TO FIND A BET
examples so far.
the last 13 numbers spun shows this. (34,8,21,32,35,30,1,11,7,18,11,32,) looking at this we see 7,8,9 street has 2 hits and the 34,35,36 has 2 hits.
from this we would now start the betting at the start (after 13spins recoreded)because we have a trigger. so it 0,9,36, -3 units
we always play 0.
once we get a trigger we bet flat bets for a maximum of 13spins or if we have a win.
STOP AT A WIN regardless of bank roll.
If there is a full street hit within the 13 recorded spins at the start then we now do not have a bet we have to see no full streets e.g. not this (23,4,8,7,35,22,33,1,0,12,10,32,9,36) within 13 spins.
Remember as betting if any other streets have 2 hits then we back the number from that street that has not hit yet.
Example of a bet.
17
2
2
33
21
12
36
17
12
34
18
23 start BETS BANKROLL
18 0,16,35 -3 -3
25 0,16,35 -3 -6
15 0,16,35 -3 -9
20 0,16,35 -3 -12
20 0,16,19,35, -4 -16
16 0,16,19,35, 32 16
ALSO If we do lose its average of loss of 40units (this would mean that in 30spins average there was not a full hit street or a 0)
I am having a good hit rate so maybe if we lose a session we use 2units on each number for the next session.
Hope you all understand. Any questions please ask.
mattjono
Hi Matt
Your new idea is quite interesting. will definitely try it.
Quote
20 0,16,19,36, -4 -16
16 0,16,19,36, 32 16
0,16,19,36 <- shouldn't this be 35 or am i missing something?
Thanks
ozshabs
i will do more testing mainly to try and find sets of numbers without full streets being hit ill try to find the maximum amount of spins without a full street being hit or a 0 showing.
mattjono
i am most certanly not syaing you cannot lose in the 13 spins that you will be betting however; with testing and money managment experience % and stuff. i beleive we could find a consistatly winning bet to play simple but effective with the correct times to start betting and the correct times to stop betting.
mattjono.
You are on the very good trace,mate.Iboba
............................TESTING..o..f how many streets in 36 spins will do this (hit 3 times with no repeat, e.g a full set)
1st test. 36 SPINS
3 streets full no repeating
1st came after 13 spins
2nd came after 26 spins
3rd came after 35 spins
2nd test. 36 SPINS
3 streets full no repeating
1st came after 32 spins
2nd came after 33 spins
3rd came after 35 spins
3rd test.36 SPINS
3 streets full no repeating
1st came after 15 spins
2nd came after 24 spins
3rd came after 28 spins
4th test. 36 SPINS
3 streets full no repeating
1st came after 8 spins
2nd came after 9 spins
3rd came after 36 spins
tests 4- 3 streets has had a full set with not repeat come in all 4 tests so far. ill keep testing and will show more examples.
Hello MATTJONO,
Thanks for your system.If a street have 2 numbers shown and 1 number is repeated(e.g. 2,3,2).Do we bet number 1 in this case? While betting and we have a win,do we start all over again or do we continue betting the other unhit qualified numbers?I was playing your system in a land casino a few hours ago and win 45 units in about 45mins.I bet on qualified numbers as they appeared and stop and restart on any single win.Maximum numbers I bet was 5.And maximum spin before any win was 22.I can't say much because I have not play long enough to make any conclusion.Please correct me if I played wrongly.Anyway thanks for the win and all credit should go to you.
Regards
sniper
Quote from: sniper on February 15, 2009, 11:19:33 AM
Hello MATTJONO,
Thanks for your system.If a street have 2 numbers shown and 1 number is repeated(e.g. 2,3,2).Do we bet number 1 in this case? While betting and we have a win,do we start all over again or do we continue betting the other unhit qualified numbers?I was playing your system in a land casino a few hours ago and win 45 units in about 45mins.I bet on qualified numbers as they appeared and stop and restart on any single win.Maximum numbers I bet was 5.And maximum spin before any win was 22.I can't say much because I have not play long enough to make any conclusion.Please correct me if I played wrongly.Anyway thanks for the win and all credit should go to you.
Regards
sniper
cheers sniper. thank you for your feedback im glad you made some profit.
and as for the (e.g 2,3,2) yes you are correct we would now have number 1 as a bet.
sniper the more you play this you will become rearly confident im not playing it for real money as yet, however i went on supercasino mlast night and seen 5,6 at the bottom of the screen on the history numbers about to go off (they show the last 12numbers i think) any way i thought right number 4 would have been my bet. i watched a spin and it landed in number 2. went to make a coffee sit back down and bang number 4 was next out that would of been my second bet on a single number won. +34 if i was playing with 0 aswell +32.
also sniper
you are playing it perfect once we get a win start tracking the numbers again.
thanks mattjono
more testing and how i play i can explain in more detail if anyone would like a try at this i LOVE it. ;D
1
27
21
0
0
27
8
10
3 a
4 -1
32 -1
14 -1
25 i -2
2 a win 34
23 -1
9 c -2
9 c stop -1
25 i stop
12 d -1
34 -1
4 -1
0 -1
23 -1
22 h -2
10 -2
10 d stop -1
4 -1
29 -1
25 -1
9 -1
17 -1
24 h win 35
23
8 c -1
25 -1
17 -1
i will send more tests this session of 36 spins was +42 units.
and hope this helps you even more spike, showing you when i get triggers and when i stop betting on numbers and when new numbers come into betting
5th test. 36 SPINS
2 streets full no repeating
1st came after 14 spins
2nd came after 32 spins
mattjono
Hi Matt
As we are betting and another street takes on 2 numbers then do we include that in our bet at that point?
regards TSK
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on February 15, 2009, 07:34:56 PM
Hi Matt
As we are betting and another street takes on 2 numbers then do we include that in our bet at that point?
regards The Spiders Kiss
YES spiderskiss, you play with the new number aswel you can get 5 streets playing a time so 5 units max most of the time. some streets come on and off a bet if the number repeats so we are only taking the advantage of a full street with no repeats to make a full set. i would suggest collect and QUIT session after your 1st win.
here is how im playing to make it easier to spot triggers and get full sets of streets.
A B C D E F G H I J K L
3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30 33 36
2 5 8 11 14 17 20 23 26 29 32 35
1 4 7 10 13 16 19 22 25 28 31 34
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J
K
L
mark the spins as they appear and place the number in the correct street letter (A-L).
// = trigger for a bet on the number from the street to make a full set.
-- = if whilst betting the last number from the street repeated so stop betting on this street.
(WIN) = wel it speaks for itself.
example.
these live spins show a trigger and a win.
1,27,21,0,0,27,8,10,3,4,32,14,25,2,
A 1 3// ,2(WIN)
B 4
C 8
D 10
E 14
F
G 21
H
I 27 27 25//
J
K 32
L
we would of lost only 6 units then won 36 so +30units for this session.
hope this helps.
mattjono
22
22
18
17
18
17
31
31
27
1
33
29
34
12
33
24
16
A 1
B
C
D 12
E
F 18 17// 18// 17// 16(WIN)
G
H 22 22 24//
I 27
J 29
K 31 31 33// 33--
L 34
this win after17 spins was +18units
and if this table above was to go on without a win for a while lets say after spin 30recoreded numbers we use 2 times our stake 2units after spin 30 if we did not get a win.
Hi. Interesting method, but why conjure up set betting triggers, and then just throw in the 0 by default? Seems like a big loose end in your matrix.
As you are betting streets, why not just add the 0 into your street combinations? So you will have 14 streets to consider instead of 12.
The streets 0, 1, 2 // 0, 2, 3.
If 1, 2 show, then you bet 0, 3. If 2, 3 show, then you bet 0, 1. If 0, 1 show, then you bet 2. If 0, 2 show, then you bet 3.
This way there are only two legitimate triggers for betting 0. Should save you lots of ammo, and tidies up the loose end. You might have to readjust the progression slightly to accommodate the changed bets though.
Thank you very much for your reply Matt.
Ill take a look at this and post my results
TSK
18
20
7
36
12
21
26
10
9
29
0
11
25
0
21
1
19
20
A 1
B
C 7 9//
D 12 10//
E
F 18
G 20 21// 21-- 19// 20(WIN)
H
I 26
J
K
L 36
my tests are now only done on a live wheel. (it feels rearly good even tho im not winning money sometimes you will have just 1 chip on the layout and bang that number appears.
i rearly do not mind now if we do have a losing session because it is winning more than it loses so far.
I WILL TRY TO FIND A WORSE CASE SENARIO.
I HAVE FOUND AND TOOK ME A WHILE ITS UP TO NOW MY WORST CASE SENARIO.
SPINS BETS
20
14
24
0
22
17
1
19 -1
0 -1
27 -1
2 -2
15 -3
28 -3
6 -3
1 -3
27 -3
11 -3
17 -3
33 -3
34 -3
26 -4
1 -3
11 -3
34 -3
32 -4
33 -4
29 -5
9 -5
32 -5
16 -6
33 -6
18 +30 (this was my first win and was still on -50units. however if you carried on until spin 36 4 spins later would of been on +42units)
30 +31
31 +32
18 -3
13 +33
HOW THE TABLE LOOKED.
A 1 2// 1// 2// 1// 1--
B 6 6
C 9
D 11 11
E 14 15// 15--
F 17 17 16// 18(WIN)
G 20 19//
H 24 22//
I 27 27 26//
J 28 28 29// 30(WIN)
K 33 32// 33// 32// 33 31(WIN)
L 34 34
THIS IS THE WORST CASE I HAVE SEEN SO FAR.......
Hi Matt
I am a bit confused with your bet selection. I thought you needed to wait 13 spins before betting and then if you have two numbers hitting from the same street, start betting on the remaining number from the same street. Therefore, after the spin result was 19, shouldn't we bet on 21 (since 19 & 20 has appeared), and 23 (since 22 & 24 has been spun)? At this stage, shouldn't the bet amount be -2?
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 16, 2009, 04:51:23 PM
I HAVE FOUND AND TOOK ME A WHILE ITS UP TO NOW MY WORST CASE SENARIO.
SPINS BETS
20
14
24
0
22
17
1
19 -1
0 -1
27 -1
2 -2
15 -3
28 -3
6 -3
1 -3
27 -3
11 -3
17 -3
33 -3
Call me confused.
Cheers
Shabbir
Hi I have had 4 sessions so far at this and thought I would post my results :
SESSION 1 10 SPINS +16
SESSION 2 17 SPINS +5
SESSION 3 10 SPINS +16
SESSION 4 8 SPINS +20
Looks good so far :)
The Spiders Kiss
I HAVE THE SPINS FOR THE WORST CASE I HAVE SEEN SO FAR WITH THIS SYSTEM.
20
14
24
0
22
17
1
19
0
27
2
15
28
6
AFTER 13 SPINS WE CAN SEE WE HAVE 4 TRIGGERS TO BET ON SO 3,13,21,23
A 1 2//
B
C
D
E 14 15//
F 17
G 20 19//
H 24 22//
I 27
J 28
K
L
20
14
24
0
22
17
1
19
0
27
2
15
28
6 -4 -4
1 -3 -7
27 -3 -10
11 -3 -13
17 -3 -16
33 -3 -19
34 -3 -22
26 -4 -26
1 -3 -29
11 -3 -32
34 -3 -35
32 -4 -39
33 -4 -43
29 -5 -48
9 -5 -53
32 -5 -58
16 -6 -64
33 -6 -70
18 30 -40
30 31 -9
31 32 23
18 -4 19
13 32 51
THE NUMBERS ABOVE SHOWS 36 SPINS IF WE WOULD HAVE STOPPED AFTER THE FIRST WIN WE WOULD OF BEEN ON -4O UNITS (AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID THE AVERAGE LOSING SESSION WILL BE.
HERE IS HOW THE TABLE LOOKED AFTER THE FIRST WIN
THE BLUE SHOWS A STREET TRIGGER AS YOU CAN SEE AFTER THE FIRST WIN WE STILL HAD 6 STREETS LEFT WITH TRIGGERS SO ITS GOING TO NEED PLENTY MORE TESTING TO SEE IF ITS A GOOD IDEA TO PLAY UNTIL IN PROFIT.
A 1 2// 1-- 1
B 6
C 9
D 11 11
E 14 15//
F 17 16// 18(WIN) END AFTER FIRST WIN SO = -40UNITS
G 20 19//
H 24 22//
I 27 27 26//
J 28 29//
K 33 32// 33// 32// 33//
L 34 34
I WILL DO MORE TESTING TO SEE IF IT ALWAYS RECOVERS
MATTJONO
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on February 16, 2009, 09:32:54 PM
Hi I have had 4 sessions so far at this and thought I would post my results :
SESSION 1 10 SPINS +16
SESSION 2 17 SPINS +5
SESSION 3 10 SPINS +16
SESSION 4 8 SPINS +20
Looks good so far :)
The Spiders Kiss
The Spiders Kiss thats great ;D is it real money. its simple to do a session fast and easy. i will do plenty more, and hope you keep the sessions coming. i would like to do 30sessions (30days in a month) and see how much each session made how many losing sessions there was and we havnt even applyed the slightest progression in any way so looking good to me ....more testing needed
i just seems realry powerfull to pick very thew numbers and win within very thew spins
mattjono
Hi Matt
SESSION 5 16 SPINS +24
This was my first real money session.
I will keep the sessions coming.
It does seem to hit well at this point Matt....However i did do a progression at spin 12 on this one(SORRY!! haha)so one hit was enough for me too win as its bedtime here in Essex lol.
The Spiders Kiss
well the choice is yours and all i can say is that A FULL STREET HAS TO COME.
i will do 5 sessions by tommorow night, will post my results.
ow and i got sick of the monopoly man ill go with the lucky number :thumbsup:
35 x
31
0
14
13
32
23
0
25
27
20
31
4 -3
12 -3
32 -3
18 -3
15 33
A
B 4
C
D 12
E 14 13// 15(WIN)
F 18
G 20
H 23
I 25 27//
J
K 31 32// 31//
L 35
SESSION 1 = waited 13 spins/ 3triggers/ won on 5th bet = +21units
TESTING 5 SESSIONS A DAY.
mattjono
Hi Matt, i have played this system on the No Zero with awesome results. + 500 units first play. Here is a Bankroll Balance Trend from a 3350 No Zero spin test i did. I had 2 occasions where the street did not complete, but as you can see it recovered fairly well.
I made a tracker to make it easier to bet, which has been uploaded in the members download. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295)
One thing you will notice using the tracker, is how many times the streets hit. Lets say that exits, 1,6,25,2..... so we bet 3 being "due" during the following spins take note of how many times this street 1-3 will hit. Just an example. i hope i have given a good example. I went so far as to test it a little, and just flat betting the streets on the occasion, finances the progression, as 2 hits on the street and expecting the 3 number to hit, catch these streets becoming hot.
Worth a look i think.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi515.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft359%2Fmxkid77%2FNoZero3350Spins4282.jpg&hash=fe9aaebd89a69adae5f6cc1c766f40e146cf6a76)
Quote from: MXkid77 on February 17, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Hi Matt, i have played this system on the No Zero with awesome results. + 500 units first play. Here is a Bankroll Balance Trend from a 3350 No Zero spin test i did. I had 2 occasions where the street did not complete, but as you can see it recovered fairly well.
I made a tracker to make it easier to bet, which has been uploaded in the members download. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295)
One thing you will notice using the tracker, is how many times the streets hit. Lets say that exits, 1,6,25,2..... so we bet 3 being "due" during the following spins take note of how many times this street 1-3 will hit. Just an example. i hope i have given a good example. I went so far as to test it a little, and just flat betting the streets on the occasion, finances the progression, as 2 hits on the street and expecting the 3 number to hit, catch these streets becoming hot.
Worth a look i think.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi515.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft359%2Fmxkid77%2FNoZero3350Spins4282.jpg&hash=fe9aaebd89a69adae5f6cc1c766f40e146cf6a76)
MXkid77this is great it would of taken me a while to test this alot, but this is more than a good start to the testing of this system.
''I went so far as to test it a little, and just flat betting the streets on the occasion, finances the progression, as 2 hits on the street and expecting the 3 number to hit, catch these streets becoming hot''.
maybe with the tracker combined with this system we record the first 13numbers previously spin at the start of the session , so we will have our triggers,normally 3 triggers (3 single numbers) --- combine this with all streets that had 2 or more hits in the last 13 spins normally 4streets i think.
basickly we would be playing after 13 spins recorded --
1 UNIT ON ALL STREETS WITH 2 OR MORE HITS (AVERAGE 4 NUMBERS)
+
1 UNIT ON THE SINGLE NUMBERS TRIGGERD FROM THE STREETS (AVERAGE 3 NUMBERS)
having the hot streets playing as well could make alot safer and a perfect point to stop when we hit 1 of our special numbers to make a
FULL COMPLETE STREET WITH NO REPEATS.
mattjono
MXkid77,,
i was wandering with this test how was it done consistantly e.g for 3,500 spins no stopping. did you always play a trigger from a street because as far as i know there will always be a trigger no matter how many spins we get to, however i would love to start this soon just need the perfect money managment plan so going to look up on that then deposit £20 in the next thew weeks and try this baby.
cheers again for the graph.
mattjono
22
29
0
2
7
13
23
12
23
32
1
6
4
the table below shows the last 13 spins and will make it easy to find the bet.
I HAVE SHOWN EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD BE BETTING AFTER THE 13 SPINS.
A 2 1// (WE PLAY 1 UNITS ON STREET A + 1 UNIT ON SINGLE NUMBER 3) = 2UNITS
B 6 4// (WE PLAY 1 UNITS ON STREET B + 1 UNIT ON SINGLE NUMBER 5) = 2UNITS
C 7
D 12
E 13
F
G 19
H 22 23// (WE PLAY 1 UNITS ON STREET H + 1 UNIT ON SINGLE NUMBER 24) = 2UNITS
I
J 29
K 32
L 35
SO A TOTAL OF 6 UNITS WE WOULD BE BETTING
COVERING 3 STREETS AND 3 SINGLE NUMBERS AT THE START OF BETTING.
In the graph, i did not use the full street method, only played the streets that triggered. These are the 1st 2 winning sessions spins from the graph and how i played it.
9
25
18
34
32
12
20
28
11 Trigger, place 1 chip on 10
25
36 Trigger, place 1 chip on 35 - 2 chips total -10,35
4
6 Trigger, place 1 chip on 5 - 3 chips total -10,35,5
8 Trigger, place 1 chip on 7 - 4 chips total -10,35,5,7
35 Win, remove all chips and retrack.
10
19
1
8
12 Trigger, place 1 chip on 11
22
30
9 Trigger, place 1 chip on 7 - 2 chips total -11,7
4
2 Trigger, place 1 chip on 3 - 3 chips total -11,7,2
29 Trigger, place 1 chip on 28 - 4 chips total -11,7,2,28
1
4
16
6 Trigger, place 1 chip on 5 - 5 chips total -11,7,2,28,5
11 Win, remove all chips and retrack.
Let me know if your method is the same.
Hello MXkid77,
Thanks for sharing your way of playing this system.I play exactly the same way as you do.I will stop at spin 36 and re track if no hit. But so far I have not experienced a no hit up to spin 36.Anyway I would like to thanks MATTJONO again for sharing this system.
Regards
sniper
ye exactly the same as you explained mxkid77,
im looking to start this soon with real money soon, only £20 or so tho and spit that up into 4 sets of £5. i rearly need to go on holiday this year with the lads. :thumbsup:
mattjono
Hello MATTJONO,
Thanks for confirming our play.Another thing I wish to ask you is this.I noticed you do remove the bet if the last number from the qualifying street hit again(eg. 1,1,2 you bet on 3 and if 2 hit again you remove 3).Is it OK if I just ignore this part and continue betting till a hit or stop at spin 36 if no hit at all.Please advice regarding this part.
Regards
sniper
Quote from: sniper on February 19, 2009, 09:54:26 AM
Hello MATTJONO,
Thanks for confirming our play.Another thing I wish to ask you is this.I noticed you do remove the bet if the last number from the qualifying street hit again(eg. 1,1,2 you bet on 3 and if 2 hit again you remove 3).Is it OK if I just ignore this part and continue betting till a hit or stop at spin 36 if no hit at all.Please advice regarding this part.
Regards
sniper
i would suggest you
not to carry on playing these numbers because these are the streets that have the numbers that will carry on repeating.
we want to take advantage of the streets that will have a complete set without repeating.
i would just stick to the way you are playing sniper.
Hi guys, i play with leaving all the bets on until a numbers gets hit. I play with progression until a hit? Matt, i just read that if you get a reapeat, you remove that street bet, have i been playing it wrong?
Are you guys using the excel tracker i suggested. It gives you an idea of how the table plays. You will see that most cases the win will come on a street that has already repeated once, even a couple times.
Just need some clarity.
Hello MXkid77,
You mentioned progression on your above post.Could you be kind enough to let us know how to progress when using this system.
Regards
sniper
Hi Sniper,
I use the excel tracker, next to the table layout, it has a bankroll tracker that is use as a giudeline. You enter your starting BR and it calculates going down
BR Tracker
Current BR 0 < Enter current BR (update after each win)
1 unit
2 units -31 < Once the BR is entered above, these will change eg: 100 units, all these going
3 units -62 down will change to 100-31 = 69, 100 - 62 = 38 etc.
4 units -93
5 units -124
6 units -155
7 units -186
8 units -217
9 units -248
11 units -279
13 units -310
16 units -341
20 units -372
24 units -403
30 units -434
40 units -465
If my casino BR gets with in the 69 unit range, i know to add a chip to each bet number, so on a hit i will always remain in profit. It's not exact, when you get to the lower limits, as you are sometimes adding chips and adding numbers, so there i just use a calculator to confirm that my bet will return a profit.
Just a guide really, as there is no set progression as you are progressing and adding numbers.
Hope this helps..
Thanks MXkid77.
sniper
o.k so.
I have downladed your tracker for this system and it rearly helps.
thanks alot mxkid77,
and mxkid you are not playing it wrong just abit different (its all part of the testing I say)
I will still be taking the trigger number of if the last number from that street repeats, it seems to narrow the numbers down to around
3 numbers average each bet (adding and taking trigger numbers away while playing), when playing the other way it just means we are playing more trigger numbers average 6 numbers at a time.
maybe on every street we have a trigger we place a unit on the street as well, ill be testing this way for now.
we will hopefully come up consistantly winning bet with a good hit rate I believe it is possible using all our ideas and experience.
mattjono
p.s you still making money of this sniper.
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 19, 2009, 01:33:50 PM
maybe on every street we have a trigger we place a unit on the street as well, ill be testing this way for now.
Hi Matt, this is the way i tested it for a bit, i will restart the test with the same numbers and post it here, then we can compare the 2 graphs and see. This way i noticed that there are enough street hits to finance my progression to a certain degree.
Will also test your method of removing the bet after a repeat and see.
Oh yes.... and thanks for the system idea
my main target is to try and play a session in the morning and another session at night. so 14 sessions a week.
so i will know do 14 practice sessions in the next hour or so using mxkid77 tracker.
hopefully i will learn something new or even seeing a bad session would be good.
anyway ill keep posting my results.
Quote from: MXkid77 on February 19, 2009, 03:59:03 PM
Hi Matt, this is the way I tested it for a bit, I will restart the test with the same numbers and post it here, then we can compare the 2 graphs and see. This way I noticed that there are enough street hits to finance my progression to a certain degree.
Will also test your method of removing the bet after a repeat and see.
Oh yes.... and thanks for the system idea
this would be great for the testing of this system. we can find out the best way of playing this with less risk and maybe with all our minds together come up with a real winner ( its possible )
and thanks again mxkidd77
Hello MATTJONO,
I have not been to the casino since the last trip which I won playing your system.I can only go every alternate Sunday.Meantime I am testing using past records.I am still trying hard to see if it can perform better.Will come back to you if there's any breakthrough.
Regards
sniper
MATTJONO i just want to mention what a nice Avatar you have :)
Cheers LS
Don't know if this will help out but I have plenty of dublinbet live spins and could do tables like below with 30 spin data?
[table=,]
Full Street Table
0 0/0
A 3
B 4/5
C 7/8/7/7
D 12/11/11
E 14
F 18/16
G 19
H 22/24/24
I 27/27
J 30
K 33/31/33/32
L 36/36/34/35
[/table]
2nd seperate # in group L (#34) was @ spin 9 /full street (#35) @ SPIN 25 +20
2nd seperate # in group K (#31) was @ spin 12 /full street (#32) @ SPIN 29 +19
1st 0 came @ spin 8 /2nd 0 @ SPIN 30 +14
For all the streets played that did'nt fill = -55
Result:
+20+19+14-55= -2
[chart]0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,-1,-3,-5,-7,-10,-14,-18,-22,-26,-31,-37,-43,-50,-57,-64,-71,-42,-48,-54,-61,-32,-2[/chart]
Playing the same session waiting 15 spins before betting and betting 15 spins:
[chart]0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,-4,-8,-13,-19,-25,-32,-39,-46,-53-24,-30,-36,-43,-14,16[/chart]
Playing the same session only this time in reverse, playing the 2 # on the streets that got hit 1u each and still playing the 0 1 unit when it shows (if street wins remove the two numbers and carry on)
[chart]0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,-1,-4,-7,-10,-15,-22,-29,-36,-43,-52,-27,-36,-11,16,9,2,-5,-12,-19,8,1,30[/chart]
Playing the same numbers only this time wait 15 spins bet on the 2 numbers in the streets and 0 for 15 spins:
[chart]0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,-7,-14-23,2,-7,18,45,38,31,24,17,10,37,30,59[/chart]
cheers
Quote from: Lucky Strike on February 20, 2009, 10:48:13 AM
MATTJONO I just want to mention what a nice Avatar you have :)
Cheers LS
u noticed :D
wel the manchester united badge.... dont want to rub it in all the other football fans faces if you get what i mean
and the monopoly man..... im not rich and dont own any property so i had to change that
so as im here for the roulette sucsess i had to go with the lucky number 7 on the wheel.
MATTJONO
(im rearly up for finding the best way of playing this am not too kean on steep progression so maybe i should not try to make every session a winner)
Quote from: Rquest09 on February 20, 2009, 02:44:32 PM
Don't know if this will help out but I have plenty of dublinbet live spins and could do tables like below with 30 spin data?
[table=,]
Full Street Table
0 0/0
A 3
B 4/5
C 7/8/7/7
D 12/11/11
E 14
F 18/16
G 19
H 22/24/24
I 27/27
J 30
K 33/31/33/32
L 36/36/34/35
[/table]
2nd seperate # in group L (#34) was @ spin 9 /full street (#35) @ SPIN 25
2nd seperate # in group K (#31) was @ spin 12 /full street (#32) @ SPIN 29
1st 0 came @ spin 8 /2nd 0 @ SPIN 30
cheers
thanks request09
by all means carry on with the testing every little helps lol. just show how many spins it took to hit a full street example.
record 13 spins make sure there is no full street showing.
when we get our first trigger and start betting say we would of started betting at spin 14 and we win on the 18th spin show this as spin 18 with the 5th bet, lowest downfall and your finishing profit or loss after your first win.
1st session-- 18spins--5th bet-- lowest downfall= -6 UNITS, Finishig profit/loss= +30 UNITS
lots of this and we can have a better picture of individual session.
(I AM NOT SAYING THAT A FULL STREET HAS TO COME IN 36SPINS ALONE HOWEVER IT DOES MOST OF THE TIME AND WHEN I SAY MOST OF THE TIME I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ?% OF THE TIME A STREET WILL HAVE A COMPLETE SET. THEN WE CAN WORK OUT ALL THE COMPLECATED BETTING STATAGIES AND STOPLOSS/ STOPSPIN, I KNOW I BLABBER ON AND ON SOMETIMES, BUT HOPEFULLY SOMEONE WILL GET WHAT I MEAN. ANYWAY ILL GET WITH SOME TESTING OF INDIVIDUAL SESSIONS UP AND GOING)
mattjono
check out that post again i modded it :)
REQEST09
why on some sessions have you started before spin 13 and carried on betting after a wins have come.
we are not looking for all the streets to fill just the first one then retrack.
mattjono
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 12, 2009, 05:55:24 PM
Hi all,
I have been looking at certain things that happen a lot or maybe just have to happen, mainly at the streets most of the time within less than 30spins we mostly always see one street minimum with all the numbers hit from that street.
Matt, The reason i used 30 spins is because you said within 30 so makes sense to do 15/15 or 13/17 i guess?
Cheers
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 20, 2009, 04:52:55 PM
REQEST09
why on some sessions have you started before spin 13 and carried on betting after a wins have come.
we are not looking for all the streets to fill just the first one then retrack.
mattjono
I'm just looking at way to make it better or trying different approches then makes it clear which way is better, alot of those tests i did if you stopped at the first win it would be in the -
You tell me how you would like it tested step for step and i will test your way with the numbers :)
cheers
O.K CHEERS.
but your graphs show betting of -6units at the start of betting this means you had 6 triggers all the way threw and at the start. and you have started at spin 6 or 7 in some of the graphs.
MATTJONO
extra ideas.. from past testing of this system
if we get a win in a session this means we have seen a full street complete with no repeats. yes
so know we could look at betting the last number from the particular street to now repeat the next time it hits that street. this way we can take advantage of the changes.
mattjono
Sorry matt, what i was doing in the 1st graph was playing out 30 spins betting as soon as 2 number in a street hit or the 0.
The 2nd graph was waiting 15 spins then betting all the 2 number streets and same for the reverse graphs.
I will do some testing with,
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 20, 2009, 04:09:15 PM
record 13 spins make sure there is no full street showing.
when we get our first trigger and start betting say we would of started betting at spin 14 and we win on the 18th spin show this as spin 18 with the 5th bet, lowest downfall and your finishing profit or loss after your first win.
1st session-- 18spins--5th bet-- lowest downfall= -6 UNITS, Finishig profit/loss= +30 UNITS
So to make it clear.. record 13 spins, make sure there is no full street then bet any number in the street that has had 2 seperate hits? stop a profit or stop after another 13 spins?
cheers
29
29
33
15
16
36
36
34
16
5
33
21
14 (13,35) -£2.00
21 (13,35) -£2.00
9 (13,35) -£2.00
8 (9,13,35) -£3.00
19 (9,13,20,35) -£4.00
35 (9,13,20,35) +£32.00 profit +£19.00
1st session-- 18spins--6th bet-- lowest downfall= -13 UNITS, Finishig profit/loss= +19 UNITS
this is a typical session and we should stop here and retrack. or at the very most bet on a street with a full set to repeat the last number in this case number 35.
mattjono
Hi Matt .your ideas are famous on the win3million website lmao
VLS: A FULL STREET HAS TO COME ?....YES TO A DEAD END !!!
THATS A FACT.....HELPFUL CHARLES
TSK
hi mate
are you waiting every time for 13 spin or just till 2 street have two hits (not of the same number) ???
you should make a recap...it seems that everybody have his own version
I have most defenatly not got this idea of the 3millionwebsite.
and if it is true what you say it goes on about this idea then I must be onto something good.
we just need the best way of playing this.
and kompresser you can try both ways all the testing is needed to find the most effiecient way.
I do not have a system as yet ITS JUST TESTING AT THE MOMENT IT COULD BE THAT IT IS A LOSER IN THE LONG RUN ( WHO KNOWS )
thats why I posted my ideas.
thanks
mattjono
play for 13 spins or progression ??
I would say play 13 spins of a hit and run, but then again sniper and myself have not yet seen it go past 36 spins without a street not hitting in full so the choice of testing is yours.
have you downloaded mxkid77 tracker it is good at spotting triggers.
mxkidd77 is testing at the moment I think in 3 different ways of playing this method.
mattjono
iboba would play this with a crazy progression and loose 100 000$ in ten years
Quote from: kompressor on February 20, 2009, 06:19:51 PM
iboba would play this with a crazy progression and lose 100 000$ in ten years
??? ??
Matt... I wasnt accusing you of taking this from win3million was just pointing out that this post was obviously being watched
The Spiders Kiss
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on February 20, 2009, 06:25:42 PM
Matt... I wasnt accusing you of taking this from win3million was just pointing out that this post was obviously being watched
The Spiders Kiss
charles watch !?!
please mr charles help me to get out of this shit....i dont care of anybody on this forum (no offense guys ;) )
we need graphic of bankroll over hundreds of sessions of flat bet and progression
with 13 spins its not hard to find a losing one and with progression you win more but lose more
Hi guys,
I am still running tests on two different versions of the way i play it, the Bankroll balance trend is on page 2 i think. My method, i don't wait for any spin period, as soon as i get a trigger, i start betting. Sometimes i get a hit the very next spin. In the trend on page 2, it had a no show twice, and still recovered quite nicely.
I am also, however, testing with live real money No Zero spins i have saved from previous plays.
Quote from: kompressor on February 20, 2009, 06:44:11 PM
we need graphic of bankroll over hundreds of sessions of flat bet and progression
with 13 spins its not hard to find a losing one and with progression you win more but lose more
Guess what your saying is it needs coding because it takes time this way.. as for progression that would be dangerous in my thoughts.
cheers
request09
your graph and spins at the top of page 5 can you explain please im puzzled rearly
30
10
32
0
23
70 ---- ????? ???
8
17
3
26
26
8
24 this would of been spin 13 the only number we would of bet on is (22) -1unit
35 (22) -1unit
8 (22) -1unit
16 (18,22) -2unit
14 (18,22) -2unit
36 (18,22) -2unit
28 (18,22,30) -3unit
20 (18,22,30) -3unit
14 (18,22,30) -3unit
5 (18,22,30) -3unit
2 (18,22,30) -3unit
8 (18,22,30) -3unit ??????????
would you be kind enough to remove that graph for these spins you posted earlier.
mattjono
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on February 20, 2009, 06:25:42 PM
Matt... I wasnt accusing you of taking this from win3million was just pointing out that this post was obviously being watched
The Spiders Kiss
sorry spiderskiss. :-X :-X
carnt wait to just pick the best way of playing this and stick to it
recorded 13 spins then placed a £1 chip if each of the following:
if true / then bet.
1. a street has 2 sepearate numbers hit bet the remaining number. 1 unit per number
2. a street has a full set of numbers all 3 numbers hit then bet the last number that appeared to repeat.1 unit per number.
3. a street has 2 or more single hits regardless of the numbers just if it has hit 2 times or more we bet on the whole street. 1unit per street
you will also need to stick to progression table so we end up in profit all the time
(mxkidd77s tracker helps alot)
BR Tracker
Current BR 500
1 unit
2 units 469
3 units 438
4 units 407
5 units 376
6 units 345
7 units 314
8 units 283
9 units 252
11 units 221
13 units 190
16 units 159
20 units 128
24 units 97
30 units 66
40 units 35
Spin #: Exits:
1 4
2 18
3 15
4 22
5 29
6 13
7 12
8 3
9 23
10 22
11 11
12 13 £500
13 24----(AFTER 13 SPINS I BET 1 UNIT ON 24,14,10 AND STREETS D,E,H ) = -£6 £494
14 3 --- (24,14,10,D,E,H,A) -£7 £487
15 26 ---(24,14,10,D,E,H,A,I) +£4 £491
16 11 ---(24,14,10,D,E,H,A,I) -£8 £483 (I know place 1 extra chip on each bet)
17 6 ---(24,14,10,5,D,E,H,A,I,B) -£20 £463
18 19 ---(24,14,10,5,D,E,H,A,I,B) +£76 £539
19 24 WON +£39 STOP AND FINISH SESSION
THE GOOD THING IS I ENJOY PLAYING THIS SYSTEM BETTING THE HOT STREETS FINANCIES THE BETTING FOR THE SINGLE NUMBERS TO HIT. AND THE PROGRESSION WELL YOU SHOULDNT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND WHEN THE SINGLE NUMBERS HIT IN THE FIRST THEW SPINS OF BETTING IT FEELS GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE ONLY CHOSEN VERY LITTLE NUMBERS AND WON IN EVERY LITTLE SPINS.
WEL THATS MY VIEW ANYWAY. ;)
What about this graph 126 spins..
[chart]0,26,4,16,94,92,120,126,154,166,178,196,214,246,276,306,318,350,324,284,308,420,442,430,434,368,472,398,442,478,504,522,518,498,570,584,610,638,[/chart]
126 spins ??
looks like 36 spins to me and what are you playing request09
mattjono
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 21, 2009, 04:13:53 PM
126 spins ??
looks like 36 spins to me and what are you playing request09
mattjono
Sorry its 36 wins on the graph,every win or lose i put the result in.
Basicly goes like this..
As soon as you get a 2 seperate numbers in a street bet them 1 unit on each (or your way bet the number thats not hit) then when you get a hit remove the 2 bets on the street and if the bankroll is less than the previous bankroll add 1u to all numbers being played and carry on.. then next win if the bankroll is still less add another unit to all numbers, if the bankroll is higher than previous reset all back down to 1unit on each.
The only thing i have been doing different is when you get a win and remove the units on that street, i then on my recording say the winner was number 1:
A 1/2
B
C
D
E..
remove the number 2 that didnt win and leave the one that did:
A 1/
B
C
D
E..
Then if 2 or 3 hit you start play again.
I was'nt playing the 0.. to be honest i forgot to put it on at the start ;D
Not bad for 126 spins you gotta admit..
The highest the progression went was 4 units on each number about 4 times i think, spin 111 was where it reached 504.
This is a shorter 42 spin test.. more realistic if it was played for real,
[chart]0,33,40,51,65,62,94,110,115,90,136,159,[/chart]
This time i bet the zero but only if it hits in recording which it did on spin 2.
My first progression was at spin 40 (+90) then 0 hit next spin at 2 units ;D
Spin 32 was where it went over 100
I shall carry on..
Think Kompressor was right ..win more lose more :-\
[chart]0,28,24,-68,-131,-359,-551,-605,-444,-569,-353,-453,-178,146[/chart]
This 56 spin session went to 12 units on each number.. what a session from hell[smiley=2/N_aggressive2010.gif]
Hi Matt,
No worries mate.
I am also following this thread.Good look to all
TSK
Quote from: Rquest09 on February 21, 2009, 05:24:54 PM
Think Kompressor was right ..win more lose more :-\
[chart]0,28,24,-68,-131,-359,-551,-605,-444,-569,-353,-453,-178,146[/chart]
This 56 spin session went to 12 units on each number.. what a session from hell[smiley=2/N_aggressive2010.gif]
request09
i have not a clue how you are playing this 56spins you are supposed to stop after the first winning single number. you should explain how you are playing for the sake of the testing and the thread.. your chart shows 0,28,24,-68,-131,-359,-551,-605,-444,-569,-353,-453,-178,146 can you explain the big losses
????????
Quote from: Rquest09 on February 21, 2009, 04:31:21 PM
Basicly goes like this..
As soon as you get a 2 seperate numbers in a street bet them 1 unit on each (or your way bet the number thats not hit) then when you get a hit remove the 2 bets on the street and if the bankroll is less than the previous bankroll add 1u to all numbers being played and carry on.. then next win if the bankroll is still less add another unit to all numbers, if the bankroll is higher than previous reset all back down to 1unit on each.
The only thing I have been doing different is when you get a win and remove the units on that street, I then on my recording say the winner was number 1:
A 1/2
B
C
D
E..
remove the number 2 that didnt win and leave the one that did:
A 1/
B
C
D
E..
Then if 2 or 3 hit you start play again.
I was'nt playing the 0.. to be honest I forgot to put it on at the start ;D
Not bad for 126 spins you gotta admit..
The highest the progression went was 4 units on each number about 4 times I think, spin 111 was where it reached 504.
Yes soon as you get a winner take the winner/s off and carry on betting the rest.. the big drawdowns are the 1up on a loss progression.
I will make this more clear if you need me to in the morning?
Cheers
recorded 13 spins then placed a £1 chip if each of the following:
if true / then bet.
1. a street has 2 separate numbers hit bet the remaining number. 1 unit per number
2. a street has a full set of numbers all 3 numbers hit then bet the last number that appeared to repeat.1 unit per number.
3. a street has 2 or more single hits regardless of the numbers just if it has hit 2 times or more we bet on the whole street. 1unit per street
you will also need to stick to progression table so we end up in profit all the time
(mxkidd77s tracker helps alot)
BR Tracker
Current BR 500
1 unit
2 units 469
3 units 438
4 units 407
5 units 376
6 units 345
7 units 314
8 units 283
9 units 252
11 units 221
13 units 190
16 units 159
20 units 128
24 units 97
30 units 66
40 units 35
........... MORE SINGLE SESSION TESTING.......
18 spins ---win of a single number at the 6th bet
3
23
22
11
13
24
3
26
11
6
19
24 500
31 (24,A,D,H) -4 496
30 (24,A,D,H) -4 492
29 (24,28,A,D,H,J) +6 498
29 (24,28,A,D,H,J) -6 492
6 (24,28,A,B,D,H,J) -7 485
24 (24,28,A,B,D,H,J) +41 526
This is what the chart will normally look like.
[chart]500,496,492,498,492,485,526[/chart]
22 spins ---win of single number at the 10th bet
26
11
6
19
24
31
30
29
29
6
24
35 500
36 (28,34,B,H,J,L) -6 494
26 (28,34,B,H,I,J,L) -7 487
23 (28,34,B,H,I,J,L) 5 492
9 (28,22,34,B,H,I,J,L) -8 484
12 (10,28,22,34,B,D,H,I,J,L) +4 488
26 (10,28,22,34,B,D,H,I,J,L) -20 468
32 (10,28,22,31,34,B,D,H,I,J,K,L) -36 432
15 (10,28,22,31,34,B,D,H,I,J,K,L) -48 384
10 (10,28,22,31,34,B,D,H,I,J,K,L) +180 564
[chart]500,494,487,492,484,488,468,432,384,564[/chart]
mattjono
Hello MATTJONO,
Quote2. a street has a full set of numbers all 3 numbers hit then bet the last number that appeared to repeat.1 unit per number.
3. a street has 2 or more single hits regardless of the numbers just if it has hit 2 times or more we bet on the whole street. 1unit per street
Thanks for the new update to your system.
For rules no.2, we are suppose to bet the last of 3 nos. to hit. While betting, should the other 2 nos. hit, do we shift our bet following the new last no. to hit or do we just stick to the same bet(e.g. 1,2,3 we bet no.3 and while betting 1,2,3,1 do we have to change our bet to no.1?).
For rules no.3, does same no. hit twice qualified as well? (e.g. 1,1 does this qualified for us to bet on street 1,2,3?
Thanks and Regards
sniper
Hi guys,
I have just done under 400 spins of different versions. will post the results later, would have liked to do the full 3350 spins on each, but time issues have only allowed for shorter versions.I will continue with them all so we can see the end result.
I feel Matt's latest version is the best so far.
Hi guys and matt,
I have a question for matt...
Do we bet on number 0??
Because from what I understand from your calculation, you only bet numbers in the bracket...(which exclude 0).
But in your last session (22 spins ---win of single number at the 10th bet
), you win when "0" hit with a profit of +180 (5 unit per bet).
In my opinion, there are only two explanation..
1) you include 0 in your bet and the profit/loss is counted wrongly
2) the winning "0" in the last session is actually number "10" (wrong typing)
Thanks for the sharing everyone!
All the best!
Regards,
Nobody ^.^
Hey, NoBody.
I think he includes the zero on every bet... a bit silly, but there you go.
Hi bombus,
Thanks for replying...
But if zero is included in the bet...
How come "31 (24,A,D,H) -4" ?
It should be 24, A ,D, H & 0 = total 5 bets (-5)
By the way, I personally don't think betting zero is silly...it is just another way of playing...
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
Hi guys,
I have another question for matt....
Do we continue after 13 spin if:
1) A full street has already hit (Eg 1,2,3)
2) More than one full street already hit (Eg 1,2,3,4,5,6)
3) No trigger found (no street with two individual numbers was hit)
Thanks for sharing..
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
Quote from: bombus on February 24, 2009, 02:01:18 AM
Hey, NoBody.
I think he includes the zero on every bet... a bit silly, but there you go.
I don't think betting on the zero 'once it shows' is silly.
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 12, 2009, 05:55:24 PM
examples so far.
the last 13 numbers spun shows this. (34,8,21,32,35,30,1,11,7,18,11,32,) looking at this we see 7,8,9 street has 2 hits and the 34,35,36 has 2 hits.
from this we would now start the betting at the start (after 13spins recoreded)because we have a trigger. so it 0,9,36, -3 units
we always play 0.
Yes, maybe not silly to bet the zero "once it shows" now that's a different kettle of fish. But to always play O?
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 12, 2009, 05:55:24 PM
If there is a full street hit within the 13 recorded spins at the start then we now do not have a bet we have to see no full streets e.g. not this (23,4,8,7,35,22,33,1,0,12,10,32,9,36) within 13 spins.
Now in this example, number 2 should be a bet to complete the 0-1-2 street?
Sorry, but as someone already said, this street has to come... to a dead end.
Quote from: sniper on February 23, 2009, 10:29:41 AM
Hello MATTJONO,
Thanks for the new update to your system.
For rules no.2, we are suppose to bet the last of 3 nos. to hit. While betting, should the other 2 nos. hit, do we shift our bet following the new last no. to hit or do we just stick to the same bet(e.g. 1,2,3 we bet no.3 and while betting 1,2,3,1 do we have to change our bet to no.1?).
For rules no.3, does same no. hit twice qualified as well? (e.g. 1,1 does this qualified for us to bet on street 1,2,3?
Thanks and Regards
sniper
hi sniper,
your questions.
RULE NUMBER2.
(e.g. 1,2,3 we bet no.3 and while betting 1,2,3,1 do we have to change our bet to no.1?).
yes correct in this case we would be betting a unit on number 1RULE NUMBER3.
For rules no.3, does same no. hit twice qualified as well? (e.g. 1,1 does this qualified for us to bet on street 1,2,3?)
yes we bet a unit on street 1,2,3 because it has hit 2 times so its a hot street.mattjono
Quote from: NoBody on February 23, 2009, 10:33:56 PM
Hi guys and matt,
I have a question for matt...
Do we bet on number 0??
Because from what I understand from your calculation, you only bet numbers in the bracket...(which exclude 0).
But in your last session (22 spins ---win of single number at the 10th bet
), you win when "0" hit with a profit of +180 (5 unit per bet).
In my opinion, there are only two explanation..
1) you include 0 in your bet and the profit/loss is counted wrongly
2) the winning "0" in the last session is actually number "10" (wrong typing)
Thanks for the sharing everyone!
All the best!
Regards,
Nobody ^.^
HI NOBODY,
thank you for poining that out I woulod not of noticed it however I have modified the live spins I tested at the top of this page.
2) the winning "0" in the last session is actually number "10" (wrong typing)your correct it was supposed to be number 10 not 0.
thanks
mattjono
recorded 13 spins then placed a £1 chip if each of the following:
if any of these are true after 13 spins then start betting on the qualifing bets and make sure we add any extra bets while betting.
1. a street has 2 separate numbers hit bet the remaining number. 1 unit per number
2. a street has a full set of numbers all 3 numbers hit then we bet the last number that appeared to repeat.1 unit per number.
3. a street has 2 or more single hits regardless of the numbers just if it has hit 2 times or more we bet on the whole street. 1unit per street
4. ONLY if there is a 0 in the first 13 spins or while betting then we do play 0 aswel.
5. STOP WHEN WE HIT ANY SINGLE NUMBER WIN
MATTJONO
Quote from: NoBody on February 24, 2009, 06:58:19 AM
Hi guys,
I have another question for matt....
Do we continue after 13 spin if:
1) A full street has already hit (Eg 1,2,3)
2) More than one full street already hit (Eg 1,2,3,4,5,6)
3) No trigger found (no street with two individual numbers was hit)
Thanks for sharing..
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
answer for nobody
Do we continue after 13 spin if:
1) A full street has already hit (Eg 1,2,3)
----yes RULE 2 + RULE 3 we bet 1 unit on the street and 1 unit on number 3---
2) More than one full street already hit (Eg 1,2,3,4,5,6)
----yes RULE 2 + RULE 3 we bet 1 unit on the streets (1,2,3) + (4,5,6) and 1 unit on number 3 and number 6 if they where the last numbers to appear from that particulat street---
3) No trigger found (no street with two individual numbers was hit)
----I DONT THINK YOU WILL EVER SEE THIS IT IS A VERY VERY RARE CASE IT WOULD MEAN HITTING ALL 12STREETS IN A ROW WITHOUT REPEATING AND A 0 IN THE LAST 13 SPINS. SO WE WOULD NOW JUST PLAY 0 FOR THE NEXT SPIN THEN WE WILL DEFINATLY HAVE A QUALIFING BET AFTER 14 SPINS.mattjono
Hi matt,
3) No trigger found (no street with two individual numbers was hit)
Here what I mean is there is no 2 number hit in a street to serve as a trigger...
Eg...1,1,7,10,30,10...etc
On the street, only one number hit repeatedly, the other two sleeping...
I guess here rule 3 will apply...
Does it mean we are betting on streets only??? No single number bet?? Or we don't play?
Thanks for answering all my questions...they were clear and straight to the point! :thumbsup:
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
3) No trigger found (no street with two individual numbers was hit)
Here what I mean is there is no 2 number hit in a street to serve as a trigger...
Eg...1,1,7,10,30,10...etc
.........
in this case we would just be betting the hot streets that have appeared twice or more we play these until we get a trigger for a single number bet and take advantage of it making a full complete street.
ill be posting more sessions soon.
mattjono
STEP 1... finding the bets
if these numbers where the last 13 numbers spun.
16
32
28
25
24
13
14
2
4
21
34
16
33
your table would look like this.
BLUE= hit once
RED= hit twice
GREEN = 3 times or more
0 ---no hit = no bet
Str 1-3 0 1 0
Str 4-6 1 0 0
Str 7-9 0 0 0
Str 10-12 0 0 0
Str 13-15 1 1 0------1unit on street 13-15
Str 16-18 2 0 0------1unit on street 16-18 + 1unit on single number 15
Str 19-21 0 0 1
Str 22-24 0 0 1
Str 25-27 1 0 0
Str 28-30 1 0 0
Str 31-33 0 1 1------1unit on street 31-33 + 1unit on single number 31
Str 34-36 1 0 0
so your first bet would be 5 units total (streets 13-15, 16-18 and 31-33) and single numbers 15,31
i have not finished the session of yet so ill exactly how it goes.
mattjono
;D Matt, you have taken this to a whole new level i like it :thumbsup:
Quote from: MATTJONO on February 25, 2009, 04:49:35 PM
STEP 1... finding the bets
if these numbers where the last 13 numbers spun.
16
32
28
25
24
13
14
2
4
21
34
16
33
your table would look like this.
BLUE= hit once
RED= hit twice
GREEN = 3 times or more
0 ---no hit = no bet
Str 1-3 0 1 0
Str 4-6 1 0 0
Str 7-9 0 0 0
Str 10-12 0 0 0
Str 13-15 1 1 0------1unit on street 13-15
Str 16-18 2 0 0------1unit on street 16-18 + 1unit on single number 15
Str 19-21 0 0 1
Str 22-24 0 0 1
Str 25-27 1 0 0
Str 28-30 1 0 0
Str 31-33 0 1 1------1unit on street 31-33 + 1unit on single number 31
Str 34-36 1 0 0
so your first bet would be 5 units total (streets 13-15, 16-18 and 31-33) and single numbers 15,31
I have not finished the session of yet so ill exactly how it goes.
mattjono
now for the betting and the win.
32
28
25
24
13
14
2
4
21
34
16
33 E,F,K,15,31 +7
33 E,F,K,15,31 -5
4 B,E,F,K,15,31 -6
25 B,E,F,I,K,15,31 -7
19 B,E,F,H,I,K,15,20,31 -9
10 B,E,F,H,I,K,15,20,31 -9 the next bet use 2 units so we are always in profit when we hit
0 B,E,F,H,I,K,15,20,31 -18
31 B,E,F,H,I,K,15,20,
31 +78
session ended +31 units----- lowest downfall was -41units
What do I bet with this Matt?
13:
--
9
5
12
36
20
18
26
8
25
25
22
8
1
0 no hit
Str 1-3 1,0,0
Str 4-6 0,0,1
Str 7-9 0,2,1 <<bet str 7-9 + single 7?
Str 10-12 0,0,1
Str 13-15 0,0,0
Str 16-18 0,0,1
Str 19-21 0,1,0
Str 22-24 1,0,0
Str 25-27 2,1,0 <<bet str 25-27 + single 27?
Str 28-30 0,0,0
Str 31-33 0,0,0
Str 34-36 0,0,1
Thanks cant wait to see how it turned out.
Well not to sure how to play it so i will give you the next 13 and maybe then it will make it clear how this works?
12
34
11
3
30
23
11
4
16
13
34
22
30
I have recently recieved over 20,000 spins data and have been randomly stopping and copying and pasting 26 numbers and placing them in the streets hit tracker--- from this I want to see how many streets on average will be full in 26 spins- this is just to make me even more confident about this system.
I do know that this system can go past 26 spins without hitting all 3 numbers from any street. however I am trying to have a stop point and abit of disapline.
anyway here is there first 3 tests.
Street Hit Tracker
Spin #: Exits:
1 20
2 5
3 12
4 19
5 3
6 14
7 19
8 14
9 6
10 21
11 5
12 24
13 20
14 23
15 20
16 23
17 34
18 34
19 35
20 7
21 0
22 2
23 4
24 24
25 18
26 22
0 1
Str 1-3 0 1 1
Str 4-6 1 2 1
Str 7-9 1 0 0
Str 10-12 0 0 1
Str 13-15 0 2 0
Str 16-18 0 0 1
Str 19-21 2 3 1
Str 22-24 1 2 2
Str 25-27 0 0 0
Str 28-30 0 0 0
Str 31-33 0 0 0
Str 34-36 2 1 0
test 2
Spin #: Exits:
1 17
2 4
3 35
4 13
5 5
6 7
7 35
8 21
9 25
10 18
11 18
12 29
13 28
14 12
15 31
16 32
17 7
18 36
19 20
20 23
21 28
22 29
23 36
24 30
25 3
26 14
Street Hit Tracker
0 0
Str 1-3 0 0 1
Str 4-6 1 1 0
Str 7-9 2 0 0
Str 10-12 0 0 1
Str 13-15 1 1 0
Str 16-18 0 1 2
Str 19-21 0 1 1
Str 22-24 0 1 0
Str 25-27 1 0 0
Str 28-30 2 2 1
Str 31-33 1 1 0
Str 34-36 0 2 2
test3
Spin #: Exits:
1 15
2 14
3 26
4 30
5 9
6 35
7 29
8 3
9 33
10 13
11 29
12 3
13 22
14 24
15 26
16 13
17 2
18 24
19 6
20 1
21 34
22 6
23 8
24 11
25 2
26 33
Street Hit Tracker
0 0
Str 1-3 1 2 2
Str 4-6 0 0 2
Str 7-9 0 1 1
Str 10-12 0 1 0
Str 13-15 2 1 1
Str 16-18 0 0 0
Str 19-21 0 0 0
Str 22-24 1 0 2
Str 25-27 0 2 0
Str 28-30 0 2 1
Str 31-33 0 0 2
Str 34-36 1 1 0
after 100 tests ( each session) this would give alot better view of how many times a full street will come from only 26 spins.
im gessing that in 100 tests I will have 10 sessions without a full street in 26spins.
mattjono
p.s it still feels great when I hit a win with only betting on 2/3 numbers in the first thew spins.
Quote from: MXkid77 on February 17, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Hi Matt, I have played this system on the No Zero with awesome results. + 500 units first play. Here is a Bankroll Balance Trend from a 3350 No Zero spin test I did. I had 2 occasions where the street did not complete, but as you can see it recovered fairly well.
I made a tracker to make it easier to bet, which has been uploaded in the members download. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295)
One thing you will notice using the tracker, is how many times the streets hit. Lets say that exits, 1,6,25,2..... so we bet 3 being "due" during the following spins take note of how many times this street 1-3 will hit. Just an example. I hope I have given a good example. I went so far as to test it a little, and just flat betting the streets on the occasion, finances the progression, as 2 hits on the street and expecting the 3 number to hit, catch these streets becoming hot.
Worth a look I think.
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just thought i would refesh the page to see if anyone is still testing.
il have never seen my bankbalance of 500units ever lose using the hot streets and the number from streets with 2 hits to make a full complete street.
mattjono
Hi matt
iv been using your system but doing it slightly different i think. you play after 2 of the numbers from a street have come up so u then play the number that is left as a single ye?, well i dont have the balls to keep betting on a single number so i bet on the street that has hit twice so if any of the other 2 come up aswell then its a winner, was also thinking of playing the street and 2 splits on the street. I have had good success so far with the street betting, have been using an rng though, are you playing on a live wheel?
anway keep up the good work, there is definately merit in your thinking
Iaino
and i also wanted to ask has anyone written code for this to be tested in roulettextreme? i would like to see how it works with that so if anyone has a link for this it would be appreciated
Iaino
Quote from: idiamin1 on March 08, 2009, 03:11:53 PM
and I also wanted to ask has anyone written code for this to be tested in roulettextreme? I would like to see how it works with that so if anyone has a link for this it would be appreciated
Iaino
thanks for the feedback idiamin :thumbsup:
the idea of playing the streets with 2 hits or more after 12 spins is the law of the 3rd and is MXKIDD is the one with the most experience and I think he even has a download for this type of play.
this law of the 3rd method with the streets I use as a finance bet I will most of the time have beetween 1-6 single numbers coverd, using a very mild prgression on you single numbers works well because a full street has to come and from my view 90%(my gess) of the time will come within 36spins (recording 12 + betting 24) 90% of the time it will come.
I would love to know a average hit rate for this is should know but im gessing 90%.
this gives me an idea if anyone is interested get as many sets of 36spins and see how many full streets we have in 36 spins.
it is alot easier with mxkidds street tracker to idetify the full street.
I will do 10 sets of random 36spins of a 10,000 spins data I have and show the results.
mattjono
my first random pick of 36spins shows this would of been a good session.
3
Str 1-3 0 0 1
Str 4-6 1 4 0
Str 7-9 1 0 1
Str 10-12 0 1 1
Str 13-15 4 0 0
Str 16-18 1 0 1
Str 19-21 1 1 1
Str 22-24 0 0 4
Str 25-27 0 0 2
Str 28-30 3 0 0
Str 31-33 1 0 0
Str 34-36 1 1 2
2 streets had a full set.
TEST1--36spins= 2 full streets
ill keep them coming
I am amazed how well this system is doing... I was watching this topic for a while and I must say I will do some testing as well. I'll feed results in here.
Btw what do you recommend as a stop-play? 26 spins?
Best regards.
Tryl.
Quote from: trylobit on March 30, 2009, 11:07:03 AM
I am amazed how well this system is doing... I was watching this topic for a while and I must say I will do some testing as well. I'll feed results in here.
Btw what do you recommend as a stop-play? 26 spins?
Best regards.
Tryl.
i will do some testing to and we can all come to the best time to STOP PLAY.
have you downloaded the street tracker tybolt, designed my mxkidd
mattjono
Street Hit Tracker
1
Str 1-3 1 0 0 1 3
Str 4-6 4 1 1 0 6
Str 7-9 7 1 0 1 9
Str 10-12 10 1 1 1 12
Str 13-15 13 0 3 0 15
Str 16-18 16 1 0 1 18
Str 19-21 19 1 3 0 21
Str 22-24 22 1 0 1 24
Str 25-27 25 0 0 1 27
Str 28-30 28 0 1 0 30
Str 31-33 31 0 0 0 33
Str 34-36 34 0 0 1 36
# = units per bets
Spin // Exits// bets -/+ // numbers betting on
1 9
2 14
3 16
4 12
5 10 11
6 7 -1 11,8
7 4 -2 11,8
8 3 -2 11,8
9 29 -2 11,8
10 22 -2 11,8
11 18 -2 17,11,8
12 20 -3 17,11,8
13 36 -3 17,11,8
14 19 -3 21,17,11,8
15 14 -4 21,17,11,8
16 27 -4 #2 21,17,11,8
17 24 -8 #2 23,21,17,11,8
18 20 -10 #2 23,21,17,11,8
19 0 -10 #2 23,21,17,11,8
20 20 -10 #3 23,21,17,11,8
21 5 -15 #3 6,23,21,17,11,8
22 14 -18 #4 6,23,21,17,11,8
23 11 120
end bankroll +21
for this test I started after just 1 street had 2 numbers hit from the street, however im not sure if this is the best way of playing it I think we maybe need have a stop point of 24 spins.
mattjono
I did download it, but I've created my own:)
I always do so:P I will upload it as I will be sure it's the final version.
Br.
Tryl.
THE RESULTS BELOW ARE TESTING HOW MANY FULL STREET CAME AFTER 24 SPINS. AND ALSO SHOWS THE SPIN A FULL STREET CAME.
TESTS // STREETS FULLY HIT // HIT AT SPIN
1 2 22
2 1 15
3 1 20
4 0
5 1 23
6 3 10
7 0
8 0
9 1 7
10 1 13
11 2 12
12 2 18
13 2 17
14 1 21
15 2 8
16 3 10
17 1 22
18 1 23
19 1 8
20 1 16
MATTJONO
Here is my test no 1:
88 spins
session begin: 1000
session end: 1135
It's 13,5% profit. Nice
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nice trylobit,
nice session, i would say a 10% raise each session is a good stop point for the testing.
mattjono
Quote from: trylobit on March 30, 2009, 04:06:20 PM
Here is my test no 1:
88 spins
session begin: 1000
session end: 1135
It's 13,5% profit. Nice
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just wandering how you kept on playing did you retrack 13 numbers after each full street came, or did play on until there was 8 streets that had been completed fully. ?
As the first straight number came I simply retrack last 13 numbers.
Now I have a question:
Do you play all the streets and straight numbers that qualifies or there is a number of bets that stops from qualification, because I had a trot, that the progression went out of hand
5 bets 1u
5 bet 2u
1 bet 3u
3 bet 4u
1 bet 6u
1 bet 9u
1 bet 20u
and about 500u gone
another thing do you increase only bets on straight numbers or streets as well?
Ok.
I'm going up with progression only on the straight bets.
Also started recording how many spins I have before hit.
As far longest was 24.
Here is session 2 of my testing:
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Hi guys,
I just have a question,
What is the chance of not hitting 1 full street in a 37 spin session?
Kind regards,
Skrizy.
around 1% or less on my testing.
but after i tested loads, i started playing and managed to hit one in first session. thats the way this game works though.
someone else will go 300 games without finding one
hiya guys does anyone have a suggestion on how we can improve our betting stratagie or is the progression the only way,
Quote from: Tucktuckster on March 31, 2009, 04:50:54 PM
around 1% or less on my testing.
but after I tested loads, I started playing and managed to hit one in first session. thats the way this game works though.
someone else will go 300 games without finding one
it is a very rare case i still have not seen 37 numbers without a full street.
question that i still have not answered.... are we doing the right thing in waiting 13 spins before we bet? what i mean is would waiting for a gap of 24 spins without a full street be better or even if we bet as soon as we see 2 numbers hit from a street example 23,1,18,2, should we now start betting on number 3 to come. i think this way we can get some bigger wins.. maybe be abit better..
or
maybe we could even play until we have 6 of the 12 streets are full so there will be 6 unhit numbers left when we finish the session (stop point..regardless of the bankroll)
::) :-\ just my thoughts
cheers
mattjono
Here is session 3 of my tests:
My thoughts: a stop loss: -200 units
as we can see after 3 sessions (each about 100 spins) we are over 500 units in profit. that mean that 200 units loss is easy to recover. I plan to test it over 2000 spins... we will see how it goes...
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Quote from: trylobit on March 31, 2009, 08:44:14 PM
Here is session 3 of my tests:
My thoughts: a stop loss: -200 units
as we can see after 3 sessions (each about 100 spins) we are over 500 units in profit. that mean that 200 units loss is easy to recover. I plan to test it over 2000 spins... we will see how it goes...
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nice one trylobit.
i think a -200unit stop loss is the best way
100 tests/ sessions with average 100units profit each would be
0 loseing sessions = +10,000units
1 losing session = +9,800units
5 losing sessions = +9,000units
10 losing sessions = +8,000
20 losing sessions = +6,000
40 losing sessions = +2,000
this could just be dream world but if there is a 1% chance of a full street not appeareing in 37 spins, this could mean 60 winning sessions and 40 losing sessions and +2,000 units could be a reasonable target.
mattjono
hi mattjono!
what was the longest you waited for a full street to come after 13spins?
21st bet I think so the 34th spin.
I have not tested 100s of sessions yet so im sure it will go past the 34th spin.
I think mxkidd did a test on 3,500 spins without the 0 and I think he maybe could tell us more on the longest a full street has took to come and how rare.
I can do plent of testing 37 spins and seeing how many full streets came.
it only takes me 1 min to test 37 spins using mxkidds tracker he made for this so I can see if there was a full street or not in each set of 37 spins. so ill try do 25 test a day like this.
mattjono... is off to bed
HI Guys,
Sorry i have been busy with other commitments and have not put much time in with this method.
The image posted with the 3350 No Zero test, there were 2 occasions where the streets did not complete. With that test, i did not wait 13 spins, i started betting from the first trigger. Wait 13 seems to be better.
I have attached the betting history for that test, for those of you who would like to take a look.
Later
MX
Quote from: MXkid77 on April 01, 2009, 07:26:19 AM
HI Guys,
Sorry I have been busy with other commitments and have not put much time in with this method.
The image posted with the 3350 No Zero test, there were 2 occasions where the streets did not complete. With that test, I did not wait 13 spins, I started betting from the first trigger. Wait 13 seems to be better.
I have attached the betting history for that test, for those of you who would like to take a look.
Later
MX
thanks mxkidd,
so a full street did not complete in 37 spins for 2 seperate occasions in these 3,500 spins. thats a minimum of around 80 sessions I think and we seen 2 losses, maybe we should expect 1 session without a full street every 20 sessions,
like I said I will do 25 quick tests today starting of by using a set of actuals from dublin bet.
I will show like this.
test 1 == 3 full streets complete (1st came at 18th spin)
test 2 == 1 full street complete. (1st came at 5th spin)
cheers mattjono
By the way. My test are ran with actuals from Phillipines Playtech wheel. More sessions to come today. Stay tuned:)
I will hop back onto this aswell. I still have some incomplete tests that i can complete. I always use RNG spins, so we will get an idea of how it holds up with both roulette versions.
:thumbsup:
I have just gone over to the ''actuals/performance'' section and downloaded 195 real spins from smartlive casino.
did my first 5 tests.
test/// full streets completed (37spins)/// 1st hit at spin
1 3 15th
2 2 33rd
3 5 24th
4 5 14th
5 5 22nd
more to come today, from me as well. ''every little helps'' as TESCO say and they will end up owning the world ;D
mattjono
About the game rules:
Why after last number repeats we stop betting the missing number from the street?
I've seen few times that the missing number hits... And it's not a big saving of a bet.
Another thing if we had number 2 and 3 then again 3 (and we stop betting nr 1) then nr 1 comes do we bet 1 again as it is a full street?
Quote from: trylobit on April 01, 2009, 09:45:55 AM
About the game rules:
Why after last number repeats we stop betting the missing number from the street?
I've seen few times that the missing number hits... And it's not a big saving of a bet.
Another thing if we had number 2 and 3 then again 3 (and we stop betting nr 1) then nr 1 comes do we bet 1 again as it is a full street?
I origianaly just used to bet when we see example 2,24,
34,26,2,2,
36, now bet on number 35. but if 36 came next in this street we take off the bet on number 35 until 34 hits next in that street, and we can start betting on 35 again.
I did this to narrow the numbers that we are betting down.
but as time when on testing this system I noticed that it is better to just play.
when we see 2 different numbers hit on any street we bet singles on the remaining number thats unhit in this street.
seems simple but its effective.
mattjono
Here is session nr 4
FIRST BAD TROT IN THIS SESSION OVER -200
I waited till the first full street will come (which was 17th spin, (counted from the first bet)).
But still session ended in profit!
This system looks pretty good to me....
We will see how it goes for 20 sessions.
Best regards.
Trylobit.
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Quote from: trylobit on April 01, 2009, 12:29:40 PM
Here is session nr 4
FIRST BAD TROT IN THIS SESSION OVER -200
I waited till the first full street will come (which was 17th spin, (counted from the first bet)).
But still session ended in profit!
This system looks pretty good to me....
We will see how it goes for 20 sessions.
Best regards.
Trylobit.
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its kind of good to see a losing trot lol.
but we carnt even call it a losing session.. we lost because of us having a -200 unit stop loss ( which was the right thing to do) as the progression will get out hand on the occasional session.
and as you can see in your session trylobit,
after we have lost 200units and start betting again, can you see how fast the wins came after the long run of losses.
so your session was actualy not a losing session you ended in profit of +113units... and thats what a normal session is lol
mattjono
here is session 5
again a bad trot, this time finished slightly in red.
500 spins done 1500 to go:)
We will see how many of these bad trots we will have...
Best regards.
Tryl.
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so -12 units. not that bad considering it does look like a rare case.
but if it is not then.
I still think this will be better and will do some testing of my 1,2,3 rules lol.
1. as soon as we see 2 different hits from any street we start betting the number unhit from that street.
2. we can start placing the financial bets on the streets only if we are playing after 12 spins, still betting on single numbers as well.
3. when we hit a sinlge number win (a full street) forget the past results do not retrack them we have a little break maximum break 13 spins lol we have a break until we see a street have 2 different hits from the street and bet the single number unhit from the street. basickly go back to number 1.
Quote from: MATTJONO on April 01, 2009, 04:16:18 PM
so -12 units. not that bad considering it does look like a rare case.
but if it is not then.
I still think this will be better and will do some testing of my 1,2,3 rules lol.
1. as soon as we see 2 different hits from any street we start betting the number unhit from that street.
2. we can start placing the financial bets on the streets only if we are playing after 12 spins, still betting on single numbers as well.
3. when we hit a sinlge number win (a full street) forget the past results do not retrack them we have a little break maximum break 13 spins lol we have a break until we see a street have 2 different hits from the street and bet the single number unhit from the street. basickly go back to number 1.
Ok 1 and 2 I understand. I play 13spins wait, then bet what qualifies.
About the 3rd rule. I don't see the reason for it. If the system is good there is no need for a break. It's like trying to avoid something, but not really knowing what... The spins you avoid could be the spins someone plays... I don't know do you get me...
Although I agree after a bad trot to wait till at least one streets becomes a full one.
Best regards.
Tryl.
Session 6
First session that can be considered as a really bad one.
Two bad trots but still only 192 units lost.
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im thinking that we need to change the approch to the way we are playing this we have a good basic statergy in a full street will come, but the progression is killing this I think.
this session is played like this. And believe a good money managment plan for this could rearly help. ill be having a look at the 6 point devisor, and some other stratergies.
anyway here is the new way ill be playing this, and think its the best approach to this system.
1. we only play single number bets.
2. we track from the first number spun as soon as we sit at the table.
3. while we are tracking, as soon as a street has 2 different numbers hit we bet on the unhit number from that street.
4. while playing your 1 number bet, you will need to keep tracking numbers and adding extra numbers to the betting (numbers that make a full street).
5. we flatbet all the numbers until we get a single number hit and we have a complete full street.
6. go back to number 1.
14
31
21
20 19
13 -1 19,15
9 -2 19,15
11 -2 19,15
3 -2 19,15
1 -2 19,15,2
22 -3 19,15,2
17 -3 19,15,2
15 33
23
19
10
10
10
3
28
9
15
0
17
16 18
16 -1 18
27 -1 18
26 -1 18,25
33 -2 18,25
29 -2 18,25,30
9 -3 18,25,30
3 -3 18,25,30
15 -3 18,25,30
15 -3 18,25,30
18 33
15
5
35
30
32
9
7 8
5 -1 8
29 -1 8,28
18 -2 8,28
34 -2 8,28
5 -3 8,28
5 -3 8,28,36
12 -3 8,28,36
36 33
6
6
1
3 2
22 -1 2
11 -1 2
6 -1 2
29 -1 2
24 -1 2,23
14 -2 2,23
32 -2 2,23
31 -2 2,23,33
36 -3 2,23,33
1 -3 2,23,33
7 -3 2,23,33
26 -3 2,23,33
24 -3 2,23,33
15 -3 2,23,33,13
18 -4 2,23,33,13
19 -4 2,23,33,13
7 -4 2,23,33,13
36 -4 2,23,33,13
7 -4 2,23,33,13
23 32
total profit = +£33 units.
mattjono
I think flat betting is a good idea...
Most of the hits are when I had 1unit or 2units...
Next spins I will test betting the same (street, last number that closed the full street and one number missing to close the full street). We will see how it goes.
Best regards.
Tryl.
hi trylobit,
as you are testing this.
just thought you should take a look at this my friend I think it has similarites to this system.
a full street will come yes
BUT
a set of 3pockets hit next to each other on the wheel must surly come as well. and seems faster and betting on less numbers ZONE of 3
cheers,
mattjono
Hi!
I'm back after a short break:)
I'm about to test now which is better: progression, no progression, single numbers without streets.
About hitting 3 numbers on the wheel I will test it.
One question:
is the trigger Hit noHit Hit
example:
H _ H
19 4 21
or the Hit Hit noHit is good as well?
H H _
19 4 21
Here I compared three ways of playing:
1. betting straight numbers and streets with progression
2. betting straight numbers and streets without progression
3. betting only straight numbers without progression
It's just a short test but it seems that straight numbers without progression works the best.
Best regards.
tryl.
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system works great:)good work
whats the name of the file of the tracker mxkid77 made?i would like to download
Quote from: ikarianman on April 09, 2009, 06:21:11 AM
system works great:)good work
whats the name of the file of the tracker mxkid77 made?I would like to download
Here you go mate.
Mattjono's a full street must hit in the members downloads. Was'nt allowed to post the link
thanks :thumbsup:
about the progressions,i think it would be good to count every number we bet as individual ,so not to be confused.
ex.if we back a 2nd number ten spins after betting the first one,then
we would double the second bet after 35 five spins,BUT 25 spins remaining to double the first number we bet if didnt win yet.what do you thing??
Quote from: ikarianman on April 09, 2009, 10:38:38 AM
thanks :thumbsup:
about the progressions,I think it would be good to count every number we bet as individual ,so not to be confused.
ex.if we back a 2nd number ten spins after betting the first one,then
we would double the second bet after 35 five spins,BUT 25 spins remaining to double the first number we bet if didnt win yet.what do you thing??
not eaxctly sure what you mean ikarianman.
backing each unhit number from the streets as individuals could be a good idea though.
but usually we retrack after a win, so i think we would have to play until we see 4 full streets then quit.
mattjono
hello matt:)what i meant is this:
example:
lets say we have back up the first number and start our game and the results are:
LLLLLLLLLL (ten losses until now)
ok,lets say a second number needs to be in the game and continue...
LLLLLLLLLL ( ten losses for the second number,BUT 20 losses for the 1st number until now)
we continue the game and in a hypothetical situtation for the example,
we say that after 35 spinns since we started,we have only losses
now for the next spin we double the first number,but we continue to flat bet the second number for 10 more spins because we started playing on it 10 spins after 1st number.its just an idea of think the numbers as individual bets,havent tried just a thought
also i have one question
i have understanthe way you play the singles.
but, in the case you back a street and win, do you continue to bet on it or stop?
thanks