Hi, I am a new member here and would be interested to hear, if someone has heard from Steve Morgan`sroulette system.
He claims to win nearly all bets (his win rate is 18 or 19 wins out of 20 runs).
He offers in a roulette forum:
Now I have a robust strategy that makes me a consistent profit every time I go to the casino
If you're really interested I could send you a free copy.
If you send an e-mail to him he never replies!!!
Does anybody know this guy?
Is he a fake? or does he want to collect e-mail- adresses for some purposes ?
friendly
roul.ette
Probably.
Hi roul.ette,
I can clearly tell you that Steve Morgan is not a fake.
He did reply my email last year when i contacted him.
He is a friendly guy and definitely not a scammer.
You can ask Victor more about him. Steve Morgan used to be a member of this forum too...i think he still is.
You can still find his post about even bets in this forum. Just search "steve morgan"...
I am sorry roul.ette that he didn't reply your email. Maybe he is busy at the moment.
@hoper35 - Steve Morgan is a good man as far as I know him mate ;)
All the best to you all!
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
Roul.ette,
I don't really know him, but he's from New Zealand and he used to make regular appearances at Steve/Stefano's forum. I thought he closed his roulette sales (Aardvark as I recall) and was giving his systems away for free. Which system(s) are you looking for sleeping doz...? EC or double doz history not repeating? or is he selling something else? RP
Quote from: roul.ette on February 24, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
Hi, I am a new member here and would be interested to hear, if someone has heard from Steve Morgan`sroulette system.
He claims to win nearly all bets (his win rate is 18 or 19 wins out of 20 runs).
He offers in a roulette forum:
Now I have a robust strategy that makes me a consistent profit every time I go to the casino
If you're really interested I could send you a free copy.
If you send an e-mail to him he never replies!!!
Does anybody know this guy?
Is he a fake? or does he want to collect e-mail- adresses for some purposes ?
friendly
roul.ette
That is all true.Steve Morgan bets big puts down 2 big bets to achieve his target profit.
Using an LW registry he waits for a trigger LLLL bet for a w.Sometimes it come quickly sometimes you can wait the whole day at the casino and it will never come,that is according to Steve.
Hope this helps
@RoulettePlayer
I am looking for his last system (the system with which he is loosing only one bet within 30 or 20 bets - I don t know the exact number of plays) with an extreme high hit-quote (it sounds unbelievable and I can t imagine that this exists)- it could be a dozen strategy.
If you know more about I would be happy if you can give me some information
@ See_Jerek
thank you for the hint.
I ll test this "LLLL then betting"- strategy.
Quote from: roul.ette on February 25, 2009, 07:35:50 AM
@RoulettePlayer
I am looking for his last system (the system with which he is losing only one bet within 30 or 20 bets - I don t know the exact number of plays) with an extreme high hit-quote (it sounds unbelievable and I can t imagine that this exists)- it could be a dozen strategy.
If you know more about I would be happy if you can give me some information
@ See_Jerek
thank you for the hint.
I ll test this "LLLL then betting"- strategy.
It is a double dozen/column.I think that hit rate is possible......BUT take note he does hit and run sessions not continous play.
With a BR of 500,he bets $100 on each dozen with a insurance bet of $10 on zero.Outlay of $210 for a return of $100.
His target a session is $200 which simply means he needs to win 2 times only.Well I think its highly possible
QuoteIt is a double dozen/column.I think that hit rate is possible......BUT take note he does hit and run sessions not continous play.
With a BR of 500,he bets $100 on each dozen with a insurance bet of $10 on zero.Outlay of $210 for a return of $100.
His target a session is $200 which simply means he needs to win 2 times only.Well I think its highly possible
If you wait e.g. for a doz/col to repeat 4 times (then its LLLL for the other 2 doz/columns) and then play this other 2 doz/col , I can`t imagine there is a hit rate more than expected within the "Law of the Third".
When its a hit and run strategy, I think there will be some days with following loosing streaks and so you can not win 18 or 19 times within 20.
My last session in an OC showed in dozens (more than 3 streaks):
4 times dozen 2(17,20,13,23) = win
5 times col. 1 (1,4,34,7,19) = loss
5 times col.3(30,12,24,27,15) = loss
this was within 108 spins, if this would be on 3 different days :
par ex.
today :4 times dozen 2(17,20,13,23) = win
tomorrow: 5 times col. 1 (1,4,34,7,19) = loss
one day next week: 5 times col.3(30,12,24,27,15) = loss
So if i ve played this as hit and run, I would need 38 winning days to get the 19 wins out of 20 days or 36 winning days to get the 18 wins out of 40.
This seems to be like magic, or Mr. Steve Morgan is a magician.
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roul.ette
Quote from: roul.ette on February 25, 2009, 11:44:01 AM
If you wait e.g. for a doz/col to repeat 4 times (then its LLLL for the other 2 doz/columns) and then play this other 2 doz/col , I can`t imagine there is a hit rate more than expected within the "Law of the Third".
When its a hit and run strategy, I think there will be some days with following losing streaks and so you can not win 18 or 19 times within 20.
My last session in an OC showed in dozens (more than 3 streaks):
4 times dozen 2(17,20,13,23) = win
5 times col. 1 (1,4,34,7,19) = loss
5 times col.3(30,12,24,27,15) = loss
this was within 108 spins, if this would be on 3 different days :
par ex.
today :4 times dozen 2(17,20,13,23) = win
tomorrow: 5 times col. 1 (1,4,34,7,19) = loss
one day next week: 5 times col.3(30,12,24,27,15) = loss
So if I ve played this as hit and run, I would need 38 winning days to get the 19 wins out of 20 days or 36 winning days to get the 18 wins out of 40.
This seems to be like magic, or Mr. Steve Morgan is a magician.
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roul.ette
No his method is based on trends and breaks
QuoteNo his method is based on trends and breaks
Do you know more about?
roul.ette
I talked to him last yr, and the method he uses daily is his "History not repeating" strategy using 2 dozens.
-He looks at the past 4 dozens hit, (he tries to wait for a good balance, meaning dozen 1, dozen2, dozen 1, dozen 3..rather than 3222).
He then bets against that sequence from happening on the next spin, using a 4 step progression.
So if the last 4 spins were 1,2,3,2.
-He would bet against that from happening again, as in the title "History not repeating."
So to bet against 1,2,3,2 from happening, his first bet would be to bet against the "1" so here he would bet on dozen's 2 and 3. If he loses, he goes up one step in his progression and now bets against the "2" from appearing, so he would bet dozen's 1 and 3.
He used to use a HIGH progression, something like 50,50, then 100,100, then 300,300, then 900,900, but now he just waits for the 1 opportunity for the 4th number not to repeat, which would mean he's betting against the entire sequence from repeating, but only placing one bet. He is VERY patient and sometimes waits 8 hours for this to happen. He says, it usually happens once per day. So he actually sits at the table for sometimes 5,6,7,8 hours waiting for this to happen, then bets against it from happening!
If he wins, he goes home a winner. If he loses, he comes back the next day and does it again.
He bets 250,250 on each dozen. So a win gives him +250. A loss gives him -500. It does win more than it loses but it requires ALOT of patience!
why would you have to wait?why not play with the last 4 numbers all the time?wouldn't work the same way?
Madupz4
I bought his system from him and the one you describe is not the one I bought. Perhaps he changed horses.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 04, 2009, 04:00:51 PM
Madupz4
I bought his system from him and the one you describe is not the one I bought. Perhaps he changed horses.
Sam
TCS,
Well I know he had two systems, one using even chances and the one I described above. When I spoke to him personally over several emails, he said he uses the one I described above on a regular basis.
Quote from: ikarianman on March 04, 2009, 03:53:39 PM
why would you have to wait?why not play with the last 4 numbers all the time?wouldn't work the same way?
He waited b/c he was not interested in winning a small amount, and risking his progression. He would rather just wait to bet the table limit and go home with a maximum profit.
So if the table limit was 500.00 per outside bet, he would bet 250 and 250 on two dozens.
Quote from: Madupz4 on March 04, 2009, 04:29:00 PM
He waited b/c he was not interested in winning a small amount, and risking his progression. He would rather just wait to bet the table limit and go home with a maximum profit.
So if the table limit was 500.00 per outside bet, he would bet 250 and 250 on two dozens.
well madupz you gave me an idea,but i dont know if it will work,its the same thinking but with even chances
for example:you have A 5 number sequence which is RRBRB
if you start betting against it?if you lose your series of bet would look like BBRBR the 5 results be again RRBRB which is rare?what if you take advantage of a 6 or 7 series of results?what is the posibility of a 7 number sequence copy itself and lose?not much i guess..
Quote from: ikarianman on March 04, 2009, 04:49:39 PM
well madupz you gave me an idea,but I dont know if it will work,its the same thinking but with even chances
for example:you have A 5 number sequence which is RRBRB
if you start betting against it?if you lose your series of bet would look like BBRBR the 5 results be again RRBRB which is rare?what if you take advantage of a 6 or 7 series of results?what is the posibility of a 7 number sequence copy itself and lose?not much I guess..
Exactly! That is his exact thought process! Actually, the higher you go in the sequence, the more the odds fall in your favor of that sequence NOT repeating. The odds get better and better in your favor the deeper into the sequence you get. That is why Morgan waited for the 4th dozen to repeat and then placed his BIG bet!!!
He says he wins 8 to 9 times out of 10!
looks like goldmine:)needs experiment and testing!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 04, 2009, 04:00:51 PM
Madupz4
I bought his system from him and the one you describe is not the one I bought. Perhaps he changed horses.
Sam
Hello Sam,
Perhaps you bought the EC system.I was told that he doesn't sells them anymore due to the high cost of maintaining a web page.He plays dozens/columns nowadays with a LW registry bets big on a LLLLw.
Since he no longer sells the system, I'll post how it plays.
Play columns. Wait until you have two different columns hit, i.e., column 1, 1, 3.....bet 1 and 3. Continue betting 1 and 3 until 2 hits. Then triple your bet and keep betting 1 and 3. If 2 hits again......switch to the 2 column and the last of the 1 or 3 to have hit and triple your bet. There are times when you can go 100 spins and never hit the wall.
I don't see why you couldn't play dozens or both columns and dozens.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 05, 2009, 03:38:49 PM
Since he no longer sells the system, I'll post how it plays.
Play columns. Wait until you have two different columns hit, I.e., column 1, 1, 3.....bet 1 and 3. Continue betting 1 and 3 until 2 hits. Then triple your bet and keep betting 1 and 3. If 2 hits again......switch to the 2 column and the last of the 1 or 3 to have hit and triple your bet. There are times when you can go 100 spins and never hit the wall.
I don't see why you couldn't play dozens or both columns and dozens.
Sam
Yes sam,right on.This is exactly the way he plays but he tracks doth dozen and column until they LLLL then bet for a w.
The reasoning behind is that the odds of hitting an L again is low.I do not know where he gets his logic from,well perhaps its true,He is very successful playing this way but sometimes this situation take a long time to happen,sometimes never at all in a few hours.This is what he shared with me.
@madupz4
QuoteHe says he wins 8 to 9 times out of 10
I can`t imagine that hit quote .
It s 80 to 90 % this sound s to have beaten roulette!!!
But I think, if Steve Morgan is here in this forum it would that he would be kind to discuss with us this method, if such a lot of people would be interested in his ideas..
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roul.ette
@See_Jerek
QuoteThis is exactly the way he plays but he tracks doth dozen and column until they LLLL then bet for a w.
I had some E-Mails with WRX and he told me some similar with the LLLL strategy, but I think it was only LLL.
@ madupz
QuoteExactly! That is his exact thought process! Actually, the higher you go in the sequence, the more the odds fall in your favor of that sequence NOT repeating. The odds get better and better in your favor the deeper into the sequence you get. That is why Morgan waited for the 4th dozen to repeat and then placed his BIG bet!!!
He says he wins 8 to 9 times out of 10!
I think it was 19 wins out of 20!!!
Do you mean he waited for a 4 times repeat of a dozen and then bet the other 2 ?
Best regards
kawa4711
Hi Everyone!
Fancy people actually discussing my strategies on this Forum when I asked each one expressly not to publish anything on the web about my thoeries or strategies!!!! Well, well, well. Shame on some of you!!!
For those who don't know me I have been giving my strategy away to those who I feel have earned the right to a little break. Those who have experiemented and trialled strategies until they are blue in the face with frustration when what seems like a good strategy crashes and burns in the long term.
I certainly recognise a few of the members who have contacted me but never expected to see my hard work placed on the forum!
For those who are interested I do happen to have developed a very consistent winning strategy that stands up to the long run and as you can tell from previous replies I have the dreaded zero covered with an insurance bet so I don't have to worry about thet when I place my "big" bets.
Believe it or not I've just returned from the Hamilton Sky Casino two hours ago with another $500 profit made in 90 minutes on waiting. Just waiting for the optimum time to place a bet when the odds are almost totally in your favour and yes I do win 19 out of 20 times. The one loss of $525 is quickly made up with the other 19 wins of $250. I know it sounds too good to be true but it's what I'm doing so I must be doing something right!
Kind regards
Steve WRX (not to be confused with Stephano)
Quote from: Steve on March 23, 2009, 01:47:36 AM
Hi Everyone!
Fancy people actually discussing my strategies on this Forum when I asked each one expressly not to publish anything on the web about my thoeries or strategies!!!! Well, well, well. Shame on some of you!!!
For those who don't know me I have been giving my strategy away to those who I feel have earned the right to a little break. Those who have experiemented and trialled strategies until they are blue in the face with frustration when what seems like a good strategy crashes and burns in the long term.
I certainly recognise a few of the members who have contacted me but never expected to see my hard work placed on the forum!
For those who are interested I do happen to have developed a very consistent winning strategy that stands up to the long run and as you can tell from previous replies I have the dreaded zero covered with an insurance bet so I don't have to worry about thet when I place my "big" bets.
Believe it or not I've just returned from the Hamilton Sky Casino two hours ago with another $500 profit made in 90 minutes on waiting. Just waiting for the optimum time to place a bet when the odds are almost totally in your favour and yes I do win 19 out of 20 times. The one loss of $525 is quickly made up with the other 19 wins of $250. I know it sounds too good to be true but it's what I'm doing so I must be doing something right!
Kind regards
Steve WRX (not to be confused with Stephano)
Hello Steve,
Has been a while since I heard from you.I hope all is fine with you.
I think I have to stand out and be a witness that your claims on the system is valid and certainly not any kind of lies.
I apologize if you find the postings offending but I merely want to make a stand that your claims are certainly not any form of bulls##t.
I have known you personally and I know you are a true gentleman to your words.
Hello Steve,
I hope all is fine with you in Hamilton(not far from Australia where I am living).
After wasting huge time and MONEY with over thirty systems, I came to know about you from victor's (with high respect) post. Since then, I have tried to gather all of your posts from vls and other forum. I have tried to figure out maximum I can regarding your even chances and double dozens/column system. but I feel there are some missing points which i could not figure out. Your help will be greatley appreciated in understanding your system fully.
I think your claims on the system is valid and certainly not any kind of lies.
I apologize if you find the postings offending but I really want to have a complete understanding of your system. I have known you from other posts that you have helping mind for frustrated people and I know you are a true gentleman to your words.
thanks
catalyst
Hi guys - Just like to relate my recent experience using the Steve Morgan method on the live tables here at Star City Casino Sydney Australia (a monopoly), I live in the Sydney metro area. I played on Sunday 5 December 2010. My confidence & bank were not too flash at $200. Too many expenses of late. Boredom played a part too.
They don't have low cost live tables there. The lowest is the $5 table with inside bets @ $5 - $100 straight up through to $5- $600 on the 6 lines (dbl streets). Multiple bets are ok even to $20k +.
The outside bets are : 1 : 1 $25 - $1000 & 2: 1 $10 - $ 500. With $10 minimums & triple up betting, with such a smallbank I was less than confident of success this day. However good fortune came along & I later left the joint all smiles.
I went against popular opinion and stayed long term (6 1/2 hours in 2 stints) at the same table. I subscribe to the view that each spin is a separate random event. Of course the wheel has "moods" or trends but each to their own.
I decided on a last 4 strategy as per Steve Morgan. I term them seeds. Before placing a bet I recorded the previous 4 spins. These were the seed numbers for the 1st 4 bet lines. The second set of 4 utilised the previous 4. I. E. bet line 5 has 2 "12" bets placed opposite to seed bet = spin result of line 1. So each subsequent bet is always 4 spins
previous to your current spin. Any zero bet seed is a zero no. $ bet on that line. You just continue your bets at the next line.
I got going ok & was at + $80 @ line 9. At line 11 had some worry with 2 losses and back to $00. After that I was always in profit with a steady climb up the $$$ ladder.
I spent a total of 6 1/2 hours over two sessions at the same table. I had 204 spins on a medium busy afternoon/evening. I had 1 level 4 bet situation which put me over each individual "12" $500 limit. $810 x 2 was needed mathematically.
All I could do was lay 2 split bets ( my bank would not have allowed 2 x $810 [$1,620] bets anyway) with back to back bets. Lucky for me I was about +$900 when this hit. My luck held & so I was back to the min. bet.
The best run was 21 straight wins. I finished the session bang on +$1,000 in profit. But wait there's more.
I failed to stick to my own advice & not play at any card tables. I blew $200 at Baccarat in 10 min. I left the card area like a whipped dog.
I returned to the roulette tables and had a lash at 1 : 1 min $25 bets, again against my own personal betting policy on ad hoc betting. They say a fool never learns.
I was up & down making further inroads to the remaining $800 profit.
Then things turned positive & I was up + $300, things change quickly doubling up on a $25 min.
This recovered the lost $200 at cards plus an extra $100. So total profit was now $1,100.
This time sanity prevailed and it was straight to the cage & home james with an extra $1. 1k in the pocket.
It paid for some overdue repairs to my car. I'll return for more action once I build up the bankroll.
I SALUTE YOU STEVE MORGAN
Ausguy: I have read your report of your visit to the casino.The system you described is nearly the same as my Shoeshineboy principle. It is a part of my strategy. A row of 4 random dozens or columns will fall on average in 81 spins.Do you play opposite then it is a lottery with 81 numbers.The difference is you have 4 possibilities to guess the right result .Each hit is one unit profit and the risk is 80 units.
I have an excelprogram for this system.
i just have one question how do you use this system exactly ?
Like this I think:
Record 4 spins according to dozens, looking for 4 spins that have all 3 dzs in them (ie. 1,3,2,3; not 1133), then bet the opposite. So in the case of 1,3,2,3, you would bet on dzs 2 and 3 on the 5th spin, then dzs 1 and 2 on the 6th, dzs 1 and 3 on the 7th, etc.
OR wait until you see 7 spins in which 1,2, and 3 are the same as 5,6, and 7 (so 1,3,2,3,1,3,2...) and bet opposite the 4th spin on the 8th (in this case you bet dzs 1 and 2 on the 8th spin).
Sam
flat betting or use progression ? and so if you have 1-3-2-3-1-3-2- were to bet and the 8 bet ?
I have programed this system in excel.I did it with the SSB-principle and a Martingale betting schedule.It is not a HG but it looks very profitable.In the past I have posted a diagram of the profit.
Still dont understand sorry but at the fourth bet you bet collums 1 and 2 because of the 3 but on the eight bet you also bet the 1 and 2 because of the 3 whats the difference then you said the opposite ?
In my model I use this betting schedule. 0-1-3-9 .I use the SSB principle .Then you have the possibility to play continuous.It is a part of my strategy on internet.
What is the SSB principle?
SSB is my ShoeShineBoy method. With this principle is it possible to wager continuous on random rows you expect they will not repeat. This principle is special suitable for the outside chances.
This is an example for SSB and dozens.
i read this thread, i didnt know steve was a kiwi (im kiwi too), the system sounds good if you use it correctly, i never looked at it like that, waiting for a pattern and betting against it.
i play roulette online and not sure if this method would work, before you say anything rng is different to a land base casino in my opion.
I have my own system and it is early days but out of 8 sessions i havent loss meaning i have a made a profit.
I dont know steve but i thought he was the one who uses vb techniques.
I would try that system out (online) and see what happens but a dozen can win more then 5x and it dosent take that long for it to happen (at least once out of 100 spins), i like the concept as i use a patern base as well for my system but i cant apply this method to my system (meaning i cant bet against the pattern).
when i have spare cash i will give this method ago.
Quote from: darrynf on January 16, 2011, 01:58:42 AMI dont know Steve but I thought he was the one who uses vb techniques.
Hello Darryn,
Mr Morgan doesn't apply Visual Ballistics as far as I know.
Long time without seeing him!
Regards.
this is another Steve (this forum owner) , which is VB guru. as for Steve Morgan's double dozen system, we ran a test in RX in new Victor's forum and it did not hold on a long run. Maybe Steve is or was lucky with his system. Honestly i don't believe those dozen and double dozen stuff on a long run.
i thought he created a computer that tracks and is a vb monitor or something, thats the same guy who owns this site isnt he?
genuin winning system or something?
yes
Quote from: birdhands on January 17, 2011, 10:17:37 PM
@iggiv
You ran a test on his claim that three losses will result in a win on the fourth bet in 18 out of 20 cases? Because I've tested a few thousand spins now and it has held up. In addition, I've never seen more than 4 losses in a row so far. It's important to differentiate between WWLL LLWW (two separate but consecutive groups of four) and LLLL. I only bet on consecutive groups if the first one is LLLL (because the second will be an immediate repeat of the first and is basically the same group).
Sam
Sam, go to
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/morgan-one-a-two-dozenhour-system/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/morgan-one-a-two-dozenhour-system/)
why dosent he use vb, why is he using a different method and selling something else.
so you wait till the pattern hits 3 times in a row for an example, 1232,1232,1232 then bet it will be a 2or 3.
is that how i read that pattern for the dozens?
that could take an extremly long time if it happen at all on that day
Thanks iggiv for the link. I checked it and that thread is talking about an altogether different system.
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on January 17, 2011, 11:11:46 PM
You probably won't ever see it go 1232 1232 1232. You wait for 1232 123 and then bet on 1 and 3. Or if you have a bot you have it wait for 1232 1232 and then bet on 2 and 3, then you're just about as safe as safe gets.
Sam
cheers for that, now i understand, and this really works?
i can see why you would play big bets, i will use this strategy on day but it would be hard to track, need a bot to keep track
you make no sence at all, for starters it has nothing to do with colours and you wait till its a even detrubution, you started talking about something that you didnot read about (all of it anyway) and then you tried to apply this method to another system thats different.
i dont think anyone can predict anything, it just increases your chance of winning and without fully understanding roulette then you proberly wont understand.
maybe you do, i dont know it just seems to me that you havent really taken in what they were talking about.
i havent herd of his cook and red method, what is that about?
is it the sequence thing, i wouldnt bet a sesuence on an e/c, i dont see it working at all unless its dozens and maybe columns.
even chance seem abit risky to me, i like playing my style and that dosent include e/c.
Quote from: acer925 on January 18, 2011, 10:48:06 PM
I wasnt referring to this OP at all, I didnt even read it, I was just referring to betting against a sequence repeating on even $ bets. Like I said, I read something about his cook & red method. . thats what I was reffering to. . but I just posted here b/c nobody has been on the other one in like years. Just tryin to get others opinions on this, it makes sense.
no one hardly writes anything on here, its alittle slow
It might work for some people but not everyone. Everyone gets different spins!
I'm not sure what you mean.
Sam
One person can test it for 12,000 spins and win 12,000 bets in a row. Another could test it for 12,000 spins and lose 12,000 bets in a row . Then you get all the individual people in between these people who are testing. You, as an individual tester, will have a sequence of series of spins (tests) which will place you somewhere between the two testers who had extreme results.
now thats results im interested in, but thats still not 9 wins out of 10 but still good.
if you were to wait for a repeat and only bet the last of the repeat to be different and loss could you use a socond progression to earn your money back ?
when i saw the 3 to1 ratio, i thought that was crap.
anyway i should join in on the testing.