Hello Guys. Lets collect "Cheat"permanences from DublinBet so that we can confront them.. look at this . Its totally unbelievable;
I dont believe this for a second being an honest outcome...: 10 NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21
5
35
5
35
13
35
13
5
35
5
Cheers
/Compa
Mr. Compa,
I understand you. The problem is to acknowledge results are always fair, no matter the outcome since the pockets of the roulette never closed by the numbers that have just emerged.
So those numbers can go on forever and this is accepted without cheating label on the part of mathematicians.
In addition we would have people whose lucky number is 5 and 35 so they won more by those ten numbers and some lost more too. Sorry if you lost.
I learned the worst that can happen around the roulette wheel. It happens. Just always expect any combination and do not be surprised.
WannaWin
First of all. I haven lost nothing. Second, DB got 2 wheels exposed to Internet. 70% of all Dealers plays this sequences instantly;
RRRRRRRBBBBBB/ BRBRBRBRB/BBBBBBRRRR and.. 00xxxxx0/ 0x0xxxxx000 etc...wtf is that??
I live 20 minutes from my local Casino. I never seen anyting like it. And i reside in Sweden. Im at DB 8-10 hours 5 days a week.
I can tell you, they CHEAT. But i dont know how..
/Compa
Quote from: Compa on March 26, 2009, 05:09:52 PM
First of all. I haven lost nothing. Second, DB got 2 wheels exposed to Internet. 70% of all Dealers plays this sequences instantly;
RRRRRRRBBBBBB/ BRBRBRBRB/BBBBBBRRRR and.. 00xxxxx0/ 0x0xxxxx000 etc...wtf is that??
I live 20 minutes from my local Casino. I never seen anyting like it. And I reside in Sweden. Im at DB 8-10 hours 5 days a week.
I can tell you, they CHEAT. But I dont know how..
/Compa
Hi Compa ;)
So if you know these sequences will happen surely you can bet on them & win ?????
Just a thought.....
Quote from: Compa on March 26, 2009, 05:09:52 PM
First of all. I haven lost nothing. Second, DB got 2 wheels exposed to Internet. 70% of all Dealers plays this sequences instantly;
RRRRRRRBBBBBB/ BRBRBRBRB/BBBBBBRRRR and.. 00xxxxx0/ 0x0xxxxx000 etc...wtf is that??
I live 20 minutes from my local Casino. I never seen anyting like it. And I reside in Sweden. Im at DB 8-10 hours 5 days a week.
I can tell you, they CHEAT. But I dont know how..
/Compa
They have no need to cheat and im up more than im down from db in the
YEARS I've played there and never had any trouble being paid out!
Seen all kinds of strange numbers like that from many places. what you saw was just dealer signiture, count the pockets between 35 and 21 then count the pocekts between 13 and 5 and also look where they are in relation to each other.. almost mirror like!
What if someone at that time was playing a system that had those numbers? they would be quids in!
There also are not many online casino's that take a live feed from a real casino so they must make 100's of thousands per spin, so what advantage would they gain by cheating?
There must be 1000's of 1000's playing each number on the table each spin it would be next to impossible to work out which number would profit db best if they could pick it.. DUH
Surley there are independent adjudicators that have looked at this????
You people that think they cheat are so SMART and really do your HOME WORK [smiley=happy.gif] !
Cnb
00xxxxx0/ 0x0xxxxx000 etc...wtf is that??>>
So what? In 2000 at Green Valley Ranch in Vegas I saw a real wheel produce 0-00-00-0-0-14-0. Nobody could believe it, even the casino. A few players made serious money after the 2nd 0 appeared.
ChipsnbeanS, I kindly ask you please edit your message above.
Here we try to be nice to each other my friend. Over here moderators do not edit messages but only split and move them to proper section, and I'd really would like your post to stay, except for the last sentence. Perhaphs edit to "
not well informed"?. Thank you.
Regarding your comment, our forum has [disc] tag. Allow me to use it here to illustrate:
Quotewhat you saw was just dealer signiture, count the pockets between 35 and 21 then count the pocekts between 13 and 5 and also look where they are in relation to each other.. almost mirror like!
[disc]35,21,13,5[/disc]
Outputs:
[disc]35,21,13,5[/disc]
Regards.
Victor
Quote from: ChipsnbeanS on March 26, 2009, 10:02:14 PM
There must be 1000's of 1000's playing each number on the table each spin it would be next to impossible to work out which number would profit db best if they could pick it.. DUH
By having a simple algorithm to find out the least betted number just after "no more bets" but just before announcing the result. I do have the question for the experts. I haven't seen anybody winning at playing RNG at Brisbane's land based casino (they have RNGs with touch screens with lesser wagering requirement 1$ min instead of 2.5$ minimum on touch screens attached to live wheel). Why would a land based casino (Conrad at Brisbane and Gold coast at least) have lesser minimum wager for RNGs and higher for actual wheel? How do we find out that they are not using any software program against you. I have played there and lost consequently 4 times covering 35 numbers. P.S. I was alone playing there and I had covered differnet numbers every time (that means they were not repeaters).
ChipsnbeanS
I second the motion to edit your post. Compa is certainly not ignorant or stupid. He believes something and he has the right to express that belief. OK?
/Compa
Listen, Bro, I have been there, seen things I could not believe. But I've been standing in the casino within two feet of the wheel and saw them! Few believe this except those in the numeronomy section, but the 5 and 35 were doing what numbers--not the wheel--do. I have a thread here nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/strange-things-the-wheel-does-t2115/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/strange-things-the-wheel-does-t2115/) with a bunch of screen shots of bunching numbers and what-not that I see on the Microgaming wheel.
Everyone should look at this. Some guys posted more bizarre things than I did! I just had a look.
Sam
It's just randomness.
If you watch enough spins, you'll see something that you feel looks strange on any wheel.
Quote from: Compa on March 26, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
Hello Guys. Lets collect "Cheat"permanences from DublinBet so that we can confront them.. look at this . Its totally unbelievable;
I dont believe this for a second being an honest outcome...: 10 NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21
5
35
5
35
13
35
13
5
35
5
Cheers
/Compa
Hi Compa.
Results from thos number's using the Lw's On the Dozen & Columns both ways.
X=No Bet
JD=X-nolinksnolinksnolinksw
LD=XX-LwwLwwLLw
JC=X-wLLLnolinkswLL
LC=XX-nolinksLnolinksww
Your Mate.
Lanky
Quote from: Compa on March 26, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
Hello Guys. Lets collect "Cheat"permanences from DublinBet so that we can confront them.. look at this . Its totally unbelievable;
I dont believe this for a second being an honest outcome...: 10 NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21
5
35
5
35
13
35
13
5
35
5
Cheers
/Compa
these are hot numbers... isnt that great?
The thing is, any particular sequence of spins is highly unlikely (and all sequences of the same length are equally unlikely) , it's just that we tend to perceive some as being more "random" than others, so get suspicious when something arises which doesn't conform to our preconceived notion of randomness. It's what's called "cognitive bias". There have been tests which show that when people try to "simulate" a sequence of coin tosses (HTTHTH...) they always get it wrong by underestimating the number and length of streaks - they tend to think that the outcomes stay much nearer to the average than is actually the case. There's a tendency with people who buy lotto tickets to avoid numbers like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 because they appear to be less "random" than say, 4,7,13,19,28,32,47. But the first set of numbers have exactly the same chance of hitting as the second. Trying to convince people of this is a tough job.
DB table 2 just now
13, 13, 13, 0, 0, 0,
Made me 140 units PITY IT WAS ONLY PLAY MONEY AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
Cheers
Alf
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 26, 2009, 11:17:45 PM
ChipsnbeanS
I second the motion to edit your post. Compa is certainly not ignorant or stupid. He believes something and he has the right to express that belief. OK?
/Compa
Listen, Bro, I have been there, seen things I could not believe. But I've been standing in the casino within two feet of the wheel and saw them! Few believe this except those in the numeronomy section, but the 5 and 35 were doing what numbers--not the wheel--do. I have a thread here nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/strange-things-the-wheel-does-t2115/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/strange-things-the-wheel-does-t2115/) with a bunch of screen shots of bunching numbers and what-not that I see on the Microgaming wheel.
Everyone should look at this. Some guys posted more bizarre things than I did! I just had a look.
Sam
Edited for you Sam,
I'm sure alot of people with common sense would agree with what i wrote before though.. your only picking on me because you 'think' im new here and Compa is well known,i have seen much worse posted here. anyone that really took the time to have a real good think about it and a good look at there site reading all the info would not make such comments!
Cnb
Quote from: VLSroulette on March 26, 2009, 10:46:26 PM
ChipsnbeanS, I kindly ask you please edit your message above.
Here we try to be nice to each other my friend. Over here moderators do not edit messages but only split and move them to proper section, and I'd really would like your post to stay, except for the last sentence. Perhaphs edit to "not well informed"?. Thank you.
Regarding your comment, our forum has [disc] tag. Allow me to use it here to illustrate:
[disc]35,21,13,5[/disc]
Outputs:
[disc]35,21,13,5[/disc]
Regards.
Victor
DEAR,KIND,FRIENDLY,PEACEFUL Victor...hum.. I was meaning the 5 and 35 almost mirror like if you look, and the ball goes A/AC and I often see the ball alternating oppsite ends like that.
Sorry for being honest and not hiding my true nature as ALOT of 'YOU' do on here ...haha PEACE!!
[smiley=3/chewy.gif]
ChipsnbeanS
I thank you for that edit and, should someone disparage you, I will do the same for you. Hey, you might be a genius! :thumbsup:
Sam
Chipsnbeans,
Thanks for the edit and in all truth I do have gone on rant at times... But in all truth also, there's nothing good coming out of harsh words among gentlement under no circumstance and time.
Regards.
The other part, doctoring the video in real-time and getting away with it in front of thousands of pairs of eyes, is impossible.>>>
The Dublin live wheels have been tested for years and never found to cheat. The best test is to go to the Fitzwilliam Card Club where the wheels are, play a session that is also played number for number by your partner in a nearby hotel playing the same session at Dublin on his laptop. Compare the numbers later and there is never a discrepancy. They don't need to cheat, they are so many players worldwide that they average the same profits every day no matter how much is won and lost.
hey guys :),
i use to live and work in dublin,i went to the fitzwilliam card club a good few times and got one a my mates to check if he could see me in the live stream...sure enough there i was lol..im pretty sure its legit..unless the change the image somehow once it zooms in on the spin but i highly doubt that...
rookie
Its so incredibly easy to test the live wheels at Dublin that if they were cheating it would be everywhere on the net. Its not.
Just out of interest Spike, do you think other "live" roulette wheels are also fair ??
Like, the Microgaming Wheel, Playtech, Casinoweb & the feed that W.Hill / Gala & V.Chandler use ??
Sorry I don't know the name of that final feed apart from it's based in Latvia apparently..... :-[
i belive that online casinos with rng are fixed....couse u are 1 to 1....you and the program....so it can see any monent ur bets and make u lose...
but db isn t like this......
they must see 1000 players at the time......how they can decide who of the 1000 to lose??????
so for me this not right.....
just my opinion
maby it is fixed,but i prefare playing there insted of rng casinos.......
do you think other "live" roulette wheels are also fair ??.>>
Many of them are a joke. Its just a girl spinning a wheel, no live players, no way to check it. They can easily cheat and I'm sure they do.
Wow! I think i stired up some things here,,LMAO
/Compa
Here is a shot from Bella Vegas. Anyone on the 3 or 7 was in heaven!
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Hi Sam
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regards
TSK
Hi Sammy,
Check the numbers for two different MG casino's using two different IP Addresses......
You & A.N.Other saying what numbers are hitting via MSN
would that answer your queries?????
When I get some spare time & some BR I would be happy to do that with you Sam..... :thumbsup:
Plus recording each played session would provide proof..... ::)
Hopefully it would put an end to or some hard evidence to some of these conspiracy theories..... 8)
I'm happy to help as well, since I'm online a fair bit anyways.
MM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 05, 2009, 06:18:01 PM
Works for me. Let me know.
Goodness knows when but when I can I will let you know....
:thumbsup:
the MG is your only option at the moment correct Sam?
@Matty
Nice one bud.... :thumbsup:
For sure Sam,
Xman and I did a little testing today online. Everything worked out great.
MM
All...........
I killed my posts on this subject. I was dead wrong about thinking Microgaming would/could cheat. I have watched the wheel on two different IPs and the numbers are always the same.
I believe the wheel at Microgaming is totally fair.
As I suspected, I went slightly nuts. Not an uncommon thing.
Sam
tOp_man
How can you be sure? I agree with you, but it is only on the suspicion level. What is the proof?
Sam
Quote from: t0p_man on April 06, 2009, 11:35:48 AM
Live wheel cheating is possible, but not all the time.
Especially when you are betting big or martingale style, you will experience unusual outcome.
There is no "unusaual outcome" possible, because everything is possible.
It is Gamblers Fallacy to think you have to win.
br
winkel
Quote from: Winkel on April 06, 2009, 01:30:56 PM
There is no "unusaual outcome" possible, because everything is possible.
It is Gamblers Fallacy to think you have to win.
br
winkel
hahaha nice one! :)
This cheating-discussion is senseless.
Why do people believe, that there strategy has to win "always" or in the range of their progression?
Does any Casino have the duty to let you win?
Because of the house-edge they will win for sure and YOU will lose for sure.
Because of progressions the win more than the house-edge would pay them.
When a progression did work ten times why does it have to work the 11th time?
When it worked ten times in a row, why shouldn´t it lose ten times in a row?
The only way to win is: win 1 unit more in one hit than you lose with 2 of your bets (in the average)
It is another law of Gamblers Fallacy: If I lose at OCs they are cheating!
br
winkel
Experience rules. I win almost every time at B&M. I lose more often than win when online. Therefore, I play B&M.
Ron.
Quote from: t0p_man on April 08, 2009, 02:52:17 AM
Hello Mr. winkel,
Maybe you are right for online live betting. They doesn't or can't cheat. But RNG games are definitely fishy,
For online live, I was being temporary banned just now as I was winning 80 times , loses 20 times on even chance(bet 18 numbers).
The message , "Due to technical problems your bet in live game is not accepted and is returned to your balance. ".
I will monitor the situation at the moment.
Hi Topman ;)
Could I ask with which on line casino this happened with pls?
Thanking you in advance..... :thumbsup:
X
I am playing fun money at Dublin and I see that box, too.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 08, 2009, 10:47:25 AM
X
I am playing fun money at Dublin and I see that box, too.
Sam
Oh right, well as it's DB I will make the assumption that nothing fishy is going on..... ;)
'bad workmen blame their tools'
meaning you guys would rather blame the wheel of been rigged than to blame your systems that dont work :)
this numbers result tell me something about light ball seems more to me like RNG but isnt it is switch ball from big weight to less just my opinion but basicly isnt it cheat just clever )))))