Hello everyone :D
Im new to the forum and ive read like 20 threads, and u guys seem to know what you are talking about. . I live in norway so we dont have alot of gamblers out here.
I recently started to play roulette and the first roulette system i used was the dozen thingy, when you wait for 7 spins repeating 2 dozens and then bet on the dozen that haven't appeared in 7 spins.
I have lost alot of money, bought many systems etc. I was one click away from buying nolinks. genuinewinner. com, but i thought it was too good to be true, cuz i tried all of the other systems.
But in the end i found out my own strategy, but the problem was, i was allready MINUS. Ive lost like 300$ So i needed money for my strategy and again i tried all kinds of systems.
I have learned many things, and the most important one was: Leave before you lose it all. I have an example, my bankroll was 100$ and i won 340 = 440 in one day and lost it all the same day. It really hurts. Because the casinos somehow trick you. . .
I recently started to play at Live roulette tables cuz these were random and not some computer shit.
And that's what i dont understand, how on earth can u make a system for a live roulette when everything is random? Ive seen hundreds of posts in here. And i dont uderstand a thing, i try to copy one of the systems but dont even understand how the system works.
Do you guys make these system for the LIVE ROULETTE or the other ones those that aren't random (Can u also explain to me what those are called?)
What on earth is: LWLWLWLLWLLLLLLWWL ? ??? and then some numbers and then some letters again. What on earth is this? :o
Everything seems so extremly hard to understand.
Ive talked to many friends, and they all say that no-one is ever able to beat the game of roulette. That's why i like it, because smart people out there ar doing everything they can, they are sitting days and nights trying to figure out a way to beat this system. Its so awesome. And i have seen so many smart people in this forum, you guys really know what your talking about :D
I saw someone talking about mixing systems, and that's what i always thought. . The day we beat the game of roulette is the day we mix all the systems together.
The way i stumbled into my strategy was like this: I hade like 6 casinos installed at my computer. So i thought how hard is it to win 20$ everyday?
Say you have 10 casinos, evey casino has 200 BR, Each day you log into each and one of them and win 20$ in 5 days thats 1000$ in two weeks that's 2000$ But then again, this isn't risk free. You could bet 20 on red and win 20 with one click. Or you could be very unlucky and lose it all. . . So it depends. You can also take 10$ each day thats 10 days and 100$ from each casino.
AND NOW! Is there any kind of system out there that can guarantee me 20$ or even 10$ aday? Where the chances are like 99%. . .
Think about it, if you had 40 casinos and u won 20 on them everyday, that would be alot of money. . . 4000$ In one week. And they could never even say you cheated or that you were a big winner or so. Cuz u only win 20$ aday.
At the moment im playing at nolinks. bet365. com and its going very slow, i started with 200 and now im down to 124, cuz of some stupid system.
What do everyone here think? Is the game of roulette beatebull ? Or will it never happen?
I really hope you guys can teach me some stuff, and i hope to get to know you more :D
Btw: My english is horrible, atleast i tried.
Sealine :)
Hell Yea. BLACK METAL !
Behemoth rules!!!!! Welcome to the forum. >:D
Hehe, Thank you ;D
Welcome Sealine!
This topic should be in general section.
Is a game of roulette beatable? Yes
Every game is beatable. What about randomness? Randomness has some rules (very own rules) and we can use it.
Seek and you will find. This forum is great mine of knowledge.
no system will beat roulette. if you are lucky you will win. the only way to win a lot of money at roulette is single numbers.
never gAMBLE WITH MONEY YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO LOSE.
never buy systems. they are made up by people who lost money playing roulette.
Hi Sealine ;)
test, test & test again my friend.... :thumbsup:
keep that money in your wallet until you have something you think has a chance......
Take a LOT of time & look around the forum see what kinda system floats your boat..... ;)
Finally, welcome to the forum & I hope you find what your looking for...... 8)
But the problem is that i dont understand some of the systems that are explained here. .
Do people here make systems for RNG or live roulette?
Does anyone have one they could prefer for me, that eventually wins long term.
Does anyone know if nolinks. genuinewinner. com is a scam or?
Hi Sealine!
Systems are made for live roulette as the RNG are programs trying to emulate how roulette behaves and as we all know
copy is never as good as an original.
Just go to bet selection or full systems and read if you find one of the topics interesting try to play it (NOT for real money), just test it. If you don't understand something ask.
If it would be as simple as:
-Which system is good?
-This one, this one and that one/
-Ok, thanks.
There would be no forum:) Just website with instructions... :)
Quote from: Sealine on April 22, 2009, 10:02:24 AM
Does anyone know if nolinks. genuinewinner. com is a scam or?
Never buy systems.
The truth is that many people bought the genuinewinner system and have complained that they feel it is by fraudster.
It is too costly to satisfy their curiosity for $ 2000. In this forum there are people who have the system. Maybe one helps??
WannaWin
Quote from: Sealine on April 22, 2009, 10:02:24 AM
But the problem is that I dont understand some of the systems that are explained here. .
Do people here make systems for RNG or live roulette?
Does anyone have one they could prefer for me, that eventually wins long term.
Does anyone know if nolinks. genuinewinner. com is a scam or?
First off if you want to become a winner at roulette you have to understand that no system can win long term, and why.
Thank you for trying to help me :)
All of your replies help alot.
Guess i just have too look some more around the forum and see if i find one that fits me. .
I recently read the competition where jerek and some other guys played for alot of spins. And jerek made like 20K in some days. .
I saw that he didn't want to share the system then (and i respect this)
But has he released this system? Or is it still unknown ?
Sealine ;D
He paid for the system, it's called Tera TNT. I believe quite a few people around the forum have access to it.
But if I recall correctly Jerek lost a lot (if not all) cause his system required quite a monster progression. I'm sure he will be around shortly to express his opinion as well.
Ok shorty :D
People around here seem so nice. . Hehe!
roulette isnt random, physics are involved.
Good to hear ;D
That's what i thought too!
Quote from: Shorty on April 22, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
First off if you want to become a winner at roulette you have to understand that no system can win long term, and why.
Wrong.
Quote from: hoper35 on April 22, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
Wrong.
Do you have a winning system? Are you playing roulette professionally with your system? Are you or are you going to be a millionaire?
If you answered no to any of these questions, then you are the one that is wrong.
Quote from: Shorty on April 22, 2009, 10:36:33 AM
He paid for the system, it's called Tera TNT. I believe quite a few people around the forum have access to it.
But if I recall correctly Jerek lost a lot (if not all) cause his system required quite a monster progression. I'm sure he will be around shortly to express his opinion as well.
Tera-TNT doesn't require monster progression. I'm not up to date, but I think some 'bobby' sold him some other system, and that one made him lose money...
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tryl
Quote from: Shorty on April 22, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
Do you have a winning system? Are you playing roulette professionally with your system? Are you or are you going to be a millionaire?
If you answered no to any of these questions, then you are the one that is wrong.
I can answer for now just for first of this questions yes. And there is at least 3 winning systems in this forum.
Hi again everyone :)
Guys, there has to be some genious out there who knows something that we dont. . Think about it, if that guy found the holy grail then he's keeping it to himself. .
He prolly doesn't even have a job or so. .
There just has to be a way of winning long term and about never losing or so.
Trylobit, would you mind telling me which systems these are? And tell a little about them?
Thank you ;)
Sealine
GUT
4 Selecta
Victor's Lw (strategy play)
RPro75's Mod of Diodoro's Ludomeccanica
Tera-TNT
But remember, what works for one person doesn't have to work for you. You need to find system that suits you.
GUT and Tera TNT both are not consistent winners and I know that for a fact. I even won in excess of 1000 units in real money play with the GUT, but it doesn't beat the house edge.
Vic's Lw I consider to be very good, but that isn't a system, more like a strategy.
4 Selecta I haven't looked at before, because last topic seemed only to be argument after argument.
Rpro's new mod actually looks fun to play, but until it is programmed and tested over thousands of spins, nobody can name it a consistent winner.
The thing is with systems that require a progression is that they seem to be winners, only because they haven't hit the session from hell yet. And a lot of the time they hit back to back sessions.
Quote from: Shorty on April 23, 2009, 07:53:31 AM
The thing is with systems that require a progression is that they seem to be winners, only because they haven't hit the session from hell yet. And a lot of the time they hit back to back sessions.
This is a very valid point Shorty ;)
A progression can hide (& for a long time) the fact that the bet selection isn't actually that great...... :-\
QuoteVic's Lw I consider to be very good, but that isn't a system, more like a strategy.
This is a very valid point as well Shorty. :thumbsup:
Bye the way I left a note in You other thread to check Your Pm about Ham.
Good OnYa mate.
Lanky
Quote from: Shorty on April 22, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
Do you have a winning system? Are you playing roulette professionally with your system? Are you or are you going to be a millionaire?
If you answered no to any of these questions, then you are the one that is wrong.
I also concur that you are WRONG. I consistantly win with my system, and no I am not a millionaire, but I win hundreds each time I play. I also look for new systems also. If you really think it cant be beaten I dont know why you are here.....
It can be beaten, just not with a system. Show me your proof that your system works over thousands of spins and I will congratulate you. Also, why don't you take the 100k challenge from Stefano? Since your system is a consistent winner you shouldn't have any trouble, and be one hundred thousand dollars richer...
Humble opinion friends.
Those who can do, perform. Those who can not do not.
You can not say to someone who consistently wins on roulette you can not win.
Even if your system used is a loser, a person can be winner by mere luck. Even for years or lifetime!
That is, winning or losing depends on what the player and single player only experienced. This is Gambling. Some people are earning with systems labeled losers, and also it also mean loses for other people on systems that claim to be winners.
Wining and losing is per player. It is the reality.
WannaWin
I am actually not familiar with this challange you speak of, but if I learn more I would certainly give it a shot. If it involves roulette xtreme, I also have trouble customizing/programming that. If you could, send me a link to the challange, thanks.
Quote from: Shorty on April 23, 2009, 10:29:21 AM
It can be beaten, just not with a system. Show me your proof that your system works over thousands of spins and I will congratulate you. Also, why don't you take the 100k challenge from Stefano? Since your system is a consistent winner you shouldn't have any trouble, and be one hundred thousand dollars richer...
and also, I'm here because I enjoy talking about roulette and I enjoy learning, and also cus I like the arcade :thumbsup: (top 10 tetris scores oh yeah!). I am however very confused with why you seem offended that I win consistantly. I make money and thats good enough for me, I do not need your "congrads", I could care less what you think.
Quote from: WannaWin on April 23, 2009, 10:38:15 AM
Humble opinion friends.
Those who can do, perform. Those who can not do not.
You can not say to someone who consistently wins on roulette you can not win.
Even if your system used is a loser, a person can be winner by mere luck. Even for years or lifetime!
That is, winning or losing depends on what the player and single player only experienced. This is Gambling. Some people are earning with systems labeled losers, and also it also mean loses for other people on systems that claim to be winners.
Wining and losing is per player. It is the reality.
WannaWin
Good point, I play a system Ive created myself so this doesnt apply, but also someone could be using a "losing system" and just tweak it a little bit to put their own spin on it and they could do great with it, who knows.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that you are winning. I was just stating that roulette cannot be "beaten" over the long term. Even I play the occasional system when I go to the casino to drink. And yes, systems are fun to play, and it's always good when you come away with a win. But you can't expect to win forever.
Well we will see, I dont think its impossible to be up in the long long long run. and I have had a lossing session, Im not saying I have never lost. But as of right now im up.
Quote from: 2nd12forlife on April 23, 2009, 11:09:53 AM
But as of right now im up.
Good for you 2nd :thumbsup:
Would you care to elaborate??
I mean you could be up 1 unit in 2000 spins or 2000 units in 1000 spins.... ???
Hope you catch my drift..... 8)
Quote from: xman1970 on April 23, 2009, 11:16:56 AM
Good for you 2nd :thumbsup:
Would you care to elaborate??
I mean you could be up 1 unit in 2000 spins or 2000 units in 1000 spins.... ???
Hope you catch my drift..... 8)
Well as you know xman from our conversation before, I play in Atlantic City very often. I usually make about $100 in roughly 30 min playing roulette. Mess around with sic bo a little bit, then I spend most of my time playing poker because I just think its more relaxing, and I usually do pretty well. But my usual goal for roulette is $100 each time I play and I usually do well, if I lose its about $200, thats when my system stops, but all in all I do not lose very often.
Quote from: Shorty on April 23, 2009, 10:29:21 AM
It can be beaten, just not with a system.
So with what? Punching dealer and stealing all chips? ;)
Quote from: 2nd12forlife on April 23, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
(...) I consistantly win with my system, (...)
Have you posted your system on this forum?
Quote from: trylobit on April 23, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
Have you posted your system on this forum?
No I have not, Im currently selling it to make a little extra cash, so I cant at the time. When I stop selling I'll surely post it. But its my only source of income when I'm not at a casino since I'm at school most of the time :-\
If it's a winning system surely you could just up the unit size?
@ Shorty
How many spins the system needs to survive so that you will say it's a constant winning one?
Personally I would accept 100,000 placed bets with flat betting.
And a lot of people wouldn't accept that and want to see more.
Quote from: Shorty on April 23, 2009, 01:05:11 PM
If it's a winning system surely you could just up the unit size?
Its a little more difficult than that, I dont play online, i play in actual casinos where tables have a $10-$15 min bet for outside and for inside. I do both inside and outside bets, and when I do outside its not $15 or $10 total, its on each bet, so If I do dozens or even chances or whatever, it is increased a lot and then with the progression I use, even though its not steep, costs a lot, and I usually dont bring that much with me. When my profits accumilate enough however, I sure will increase the unit size. Just not now.
Well... I may agree that simple explosive progression is not the way to win long term, because there is a big probability that when it crushes it crushes big time (I had it with original Ludomeccanica and at the very beginning with 'marty' of course ;) ).
But there is few good systems that vary bets (i.e. Lanky's divisor, positive progression) which work really well.
As soon as I will find a flat betting system that is as good as what I use now (positive progression) I will switch. Right now I'm learning the Kimo Li way...
I was planning to prove you that there are systems that can handle your conditions, but I didn't expected 100,000 bets...
It would take a lot of time plus I don't think you can supply that big amount of actuals, can you?
100 000 spins.........that is like 300 000 minutes if we take 3 minutes per spins average (most probably more than that). That is 50 000 hours.
Let's say you play three hours a day.
That would be like say 16 667 days.Let's say you play 3 days per week. That would be around 156 days in a year.
That would then come to 106,8 make that 107 years.
eeehhhh......let's say you are a young guy...25 or so........You would have to make it to 132 years old....
So Shorty what you saying is that someone here could have the grail, play for 107 years (while turning 132!) and never lose. Then a guy after that tries the system and fails....ok not the grail anymore.
I agree these massive amounts of spins 1000's and 1000's of spins are really not a practical solution. Hey I might be lucky and my system might work for 10 000 spins, then not work for a 1000, but I might not be playing that 1000 lol.
I think 100 000 spins are ridiculous! If I had to do a quarter of that and win, that would be the grail to me. I think I would happily retire lol.
Jakk
P.S. I realize you are talking of testing 100 000 spins with RX. Just trying to put that into perspective.
Hoe gaan dit, Jakkalsdraai? ;)
Shorty wrote 100 000 bets
So if system is not betting every spin it can make many more spins...
I think Shorty is a RX coded system tester... Only this way it's possible to test a system with such a big number of spins.
And that would be ok, but my question is: Does such a big date base of real spins exist?
I don't trust RNG...
Hello mate,
Yes shorty is right.The Tera TNT is no holy grail,I have said this repeatedly many times to warn others about the dangers of the system.It loses just like any other system and you require a big bankroll to play this and balls of steel as it can go high on progressions when you hit a string of bad results.However,it is a decent system with merit.If you ask me,Roulette can be beaten,I am pretty sure about this.
Using systems coupled with strict and proper money management,ultimately every system will lose.Good system players accept losses as part and parcel of it,they do not go chasing their losses.
Roulette physics,VB,biased wheels,Dealer Signature are professional methods use by advantage players
haai Trylobit! Kannie kla nie ou maat. Ons het lanklaas gepraat. Hoop dit gaan goed!.
Hi Jerek, yes I was not referring to TNT or any specific system. Just that to my way of thinking that testing for 100K spins, or 1 million spins or 10 million spins is crazy and has no real world land based merit. Guys like Shorty and co who first of all do not believe in systems at all, should know that as they point out, roulette is random. That means effectively 1234567 can appear in that order 20 times in a row. Which could potentially sink you because you might be on high numbers.
Also you might program a system put it in to RX and run it for 100K spins and have a profit at the end. The problem is what happened inbetween. How many "mini-games" happened within the 100K spins. You might be 10k down in chips on spin 33 and on spin 2000 you might be 20K up, after 60 k spins you might be 2000 units down and after 100k spins you might very well be 200units up. But what after 110k spins? You could be 1000 units down again. Does this means it failed now? What if we continued and after 200k spins we are back up again? What does this tell us? This tells me that it is pretty useless info. When I go play I will play say 300 spins for the day (and that is on rapid roulette) So what i would want is a system that we play under certain conditions.Triggers if you like. Stop-loss and a Win limit. If i can walk out with my win limit after 50 spins, great then I leave.
I believe that we are our own worst enemies when it comes to roulette......greed is such a b***h.
Cheers
Jakk
P.S. Shorty, not taking a stab at you, just my opinion.
the words sometimes i lose. so when you walk into the casino you do not know when you are going to win or lose. that rules out playing for high stakes. and if you lose once. your next visit might have the same result.
Quote from: pins on April 23, 2009, 07:25:39 PM
the words sometimes I lose. so when you walk into the casino you do not know when you are going to win or lose. that rules out playing for high stakes. and if you lose once. your next visit might have the same result.
Hi Pins ;)
Nobody knows for sure if they are going to win or lose Right?
2 losses in 2 visits isn't the end of the world providing you have a large enough "lifetime" bankroll say 25 sessions as least...
That way it doesn't matter if your playing with $1 or $25 it's all relative..... 8)
Hi Jakk!
I don't know what "lanklaas" mean... But I understood that you're doing good:)
About what you said that "roulette is random", it is, although it goes with the Laws of Math, as everything in this world... But I don't want to go any deeper in numeronomy in this topic :P
BTW It's crazy how this topic developed!
br
trylobit
This thread has actually been quite constructive for once instead of the usual mud slinging, I will reply when I get home tonight.
Okay I'll explain why I would have to see a system go through 100k placed bets before I would consider it a winner.
When I first got RX I mucked around with it while I had nothing to do. And I ended up placing over 11000 bets (with flat betting) before I actually went back down to 0. And all I was doing was selecting 1 single number randomly and playing it for 36 spins, then changing numbers every 36 spin cycle. That was in the green for over 11k spins, playing every single one.
So it is very possible that you can get lucky for a huge amount of time. Imagine if I used a progression? How far ahead would I have been during the test before getting smashed downwards?
So you see, even a joke system like that can win for a decent amount of bets even flat betting. I definitely believe that you guys win, and have won more than you lost, but it doesn't make the system a winner.
I dont know why people care if whoever only counts it as a good system if it goes over 100,000 spins. WHO CARES. If i have the holy grail and im making a crap tone of money, i dont care if anyone believes me.
Quote from: See_Jerek on April 23, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
Hello mate,
Yes shorty is right. The Tera TNT is no holy grail,I have said this repeatedly many times to warn others about the dangers of the system. It loses just like any other system and you require a big bankroll to play this and balls of steel as it can go high on progressions when you hit a string of bad results. However,it is a decent system with merit. If you ask me,Roulette can be beaten,I am pretty sure about this.
Using systems coupled with strict and proper money management,ultimately every system will lose. Good system players accept losses as part and parcel of it,they do not go chasing their losses.
Roulette physics,VB,biased wheels,Dealer Signature are professional methods use by advantage players
You are so right about this :P
Even the holy grail needs to lose sometimes. .
Hello Sealine. Good to have new members.
First off, be aware of the casino, online and land-based. Are they honest? Do they manipulate their wheels to their benefit? RNG's are all dangerous and some "live" wheels online are motion picture RNGs. Be careful.
As for the Holy Grail, seek an expert. VLS has several to learn from. Winkel and Mr. Chips back their systems with science. VLS, Lucky Strike and Lanky have years of success under their belts. Kon-Fu-Sed is the mathematician-at-large.
If you're into alternate science (numerology) there's Clothdog and Gamlet.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on April 26, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
(...) some "live" wheels online are motion picture RNGs (...)
Can you name any?
The Microgaming Live Wheel I strongly believe is a motion picture RNG because you don't consistently hit an uncovered number with 32/36 numbers covered consecutively, regardless of who's spinning.
There have even been reports of internet connection problems with Dublinbet in which bettors lost money with a large progression or were not paid for a winning number because of "connection problems" while betting.
I call convenient connection problems. They are always in favor of the casino. Why is always the player who has to lose? Why never leaves: connection problem, the casino read a number which the player won and paid for by a number not bet?
Why always error has to be player bets and the casino is not paying because connection problems?
WannaWin
Is there a lesson to be learned here?
Don't use progressions. :)
@ Shorty
I agree!
Easy comes and easy goes.
Talk about no progressions and promote flat betting sounds good.
Sealine if some one is going to use flat betting then they have to have an positive expectation.
Roulette will give you a negative expectation no matter how you turnaround numbers to become a bet selection.
If you looking for a positive expectation, an edge, then I suggest you start to learn all about bias and visual ballistics.
That is the truth.
Cheers LS
I think Sealine is now more confused then he had been when he was starting this post... ;)
QuoteEasy comes and easy goes.
Talk about no progressions and promote flat betting sounds good.
Sealine if some one is going to use flat betting then they have to have an positive expectation.
Roulette will give you a negative expectation no matter how you turnaround numbers to become a bet selection.
If you looking for a positive expectation, an edge, then I suggest you start to learn all about bias and visual ballistics.
That is the truth.
Sealine I tell you how my mentality goes regarding my previous post as you can see in the quote above.
First you have to ask your self why you want to play the game.
I play the game because it is an life time hobby.
I play even money bets with no greed and enjoy the up and downs that is a part of the game.
I become happy with 1, 2, or 3 units as a win and go home or I try to break even.
I don't play for a living, I work for a living, but play because it is my life time hobby and try to be as good as I can be.
Wont brag when I tell you it is like having an amount off money at risk at the same time as I see it as an extra income.
Now I even got my self a wheel and think I will get my self a roulette computer for study.
So when I have the time and the strength I study the real interesting stuff around this game of chance, bias and visual ballistics.
When you ask questions about the game then ask your self why you want to know and why you want to play a game of chance.
It will make you a happy player at all times with a good feel for the game at all times, because you stand with you both feet on the ground.
Cheers LS
Lucky,
I do like roulette, tho i have lost more than i have won. But im very new to it. And like i said before, i now know that its better to leave than to thinkt you can win more than you allready have. I have done this several times, and i have lost it all.
You said that you had a job etc, well i do to :) So no, i wasn't planning on having roulette as my only income. But maybe like a second income?
But my problem is that there is still much that i don't understand. And that's why i came to this forum to learn from you guys :thumbsup:
Sealine :)
Quote from: Sealine link=topic=8040. msg50327#msg50327 date=1240850278
. . . . I now know that its better to leave than to thinkt you can win more than you allready have. I have done this several times, and I have lost it all. . . .
This exact same thing happened to me yesterday, I felt so embarrased :-[ , I played several systems at the same time, some of them withouth even testing before using them, I guess that's the difference between a pro and a newbie. Anyway, that's why I'm here (as Sealine and many more), to learn and hopefully not make the same mistakes again and again and again and again. . . . ;) .
Well how many times would you have won when you lose? If you had stop playing when you was ahead!
Think and ask your self how many times you have at least once been at +.
LS