Permanenzen von Tisch 3 vom 24.04.2009
r
r +1
r +2 -1
b +1
r 0 0
r +1
b 0 +1
r -1
r 0 +2
b -1
b 0 +3
b +1
b +2 +2
r +1
r +2 +1
b +1
r 0 +2
b -1
r -2 +1
b -3
b -2 +2
b -1
b 0 +3
r -1
b -2 +2
b -1
b 0 +3
r -1
b -2 +2
r -3
b -4 +1
r -5
b -6 0
r -7
b -8 -1
b -7
r -8 -2
r -7
b -8 -3
b -7
b -6 -2
b -5
b -4 -1
r -5
r -4 0
r -3
0 -1
b -4
r -5 -2
b -6
r -7 -3
r -6
r -5 -2
0
b -6
r -7 -3
b -8
b -7 -2
0
r -8
r -7 -1
r -6
r -5 0
b -6
r -7 -1
r -6
b -7 -2
b -6
r -7 -3
b -8
b -7 -2
b -6
r -7 -3
b -8
r -9 -4
b -10
b -9 -3
b -8
b -7 -2
b -6
b -5 -1
b -4
b -3 0
r -4
b -5 -1
b -4
b -3 0
r -4
b -5 -1
b -4
r -5 -2
r -4
r -3 -1
b -4
b -3 0
b -2
b -1 +1
r -2
b -3 0
r -4
b -5 -1
b -4
b -3 0
r -4
b -5 -1
b -4
r -5 -2
r -4
b -5 -3
r -6
r -5 -2
r -4
r -3 -1
r -2
b -3 -2
b -2
r -3 -3
b -4
b -3 -2
b -2
r -3 -3
r -2
r -1 -2
b -2
r -3 -3
r -4
r -3 -2
b -4
r -5 -3
r -4
r -3 -2
r -2
b -3 -3
b -2
r -3 -4
b -4
r -5 -5
r -4
r -3 -4
b -4
r -5 -5
r -4
b -5 -6
r -6
b -7 -7
r -8
b -9 -8
game over
I had 3-4 winning sessions before this killer trot...the man said we should lose 1 session out of 50
please share your results here
thanks
Nice, i will and want to mention that some one did run it for 3000 trails and it fails big time.
LS
3000? Wendel will say you should leave after 200 spins and it will work every time. Thats how clueless he is about how it really works.
Quote from: Spike on April 24, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
3000? Wendel will say you should leave after 200 spins and it will work every time. Thats how clueless he is about how it really works.
yes, he also said alot of other things, which are...... more or less.. Useless
I don't blame that guy for being optimistic or whatever, but I just hate to watch him tipe all that stories, which are not rly interesting
I've just ignored his entire section.
Quote from: Shorty on April 27, 2009, 02:03:08 PM
I've just ignored his entire section.
I also ignore it, but still I have stories in mind when he told that wheel has memory like in cards... when you can't always get 4 aces...
well hell NO if aces aren't in play anymore, but, james if you are reading this... Game which we know as roulette... if you noticed there is always one ball and always 37 numbers and it doesnt matter how many players play at the table, result will be the same.... Things are diferent in cards..
You got the test wrong!
Here's how you should play. Playing continuously, you will have a +4.
Remember, one of his rules is NOT to play continuously. Stop win/loss is +4 or -8 respectively. The highest -ve I have before recording a +4 win, is -6.
Don't expect to win every time. Someday you will lose and according to James, you will have higher wins ratio to losses!
r 0
r 1
r 2
b 1 1
r 0
r 1 2
b 0
r -1 1
r 0
b -1 2
b 0
b 1 1
b 2
r 1 2
r 2
b 1 3
r 0
b -1 2
r -2
b -3 1
b -2
b -1 0
b 0
r -1 1
b -2
b -1 2
b 0
r -1 3
b -2
r -3 2
b -4
r -5 1
b -6
r -7 0
b -8
b -7 1
r -8
r -7 2
b -8
b -7 3
b -6
b -5 2
b -4
r -5 3
r -4
r -3 2
0 -4
b -5 1
r -6
b -7 0
r -8
r -7 1
r -6
0 -7 0
b -8
r -9 -1
b -10
b -9 0
0 -10
r -11 -1
r -10
r -9 -2
r -8
b -9 -1
r -10
r -9 0
b -10
b -9 1
r -10
b -11 0
b -10
b -9 -1
r -10
b -11 -2
r -12
b -13 -3
b -12
b -11 -4
b -10
b -9 -5
b -8
b -7 -6
b -6
r -7 -5
b -8
b -7 -4
b -6
r -7 -3
b -8
b -7 -2
r -8
r -7 -1
r -6
b -7 0
b -6
b -5 -1
b -4
r -5 0
b -6
r -7 -1
b -8
b -7 0
b -6
r -7 1
b -8
b -7 2
r -8
r -7 3
b -8
r -9 2
r -8
r -7 1
r -6
r -5 0
b -6
b -5 1
r -6
b -7 0
b -6
b -5 -1
r -6
r -5 0
r -4
b -5 1
r -6
r -5 2
r -4
b -5 3
r -6
r -5 4
r -4
r -3 3
b -4
b -3 4
r -4
b -5 3
r -6
r -5 4
r -4
b -5 5
r -6
r -5 6
b -6
r -7 5
b -8
r -9 4
b -10
HI HLKHOO I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND IS HE BETTING EVERY SPIN AND IS HE BETTING NOT THE LAST BUT THE ONE BEFORE LAST,AND ON THE TEST YOU SHOW ON THE 4TH SPIN FROM THE TOP ITS BLACK AND THERES A 1 AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WHERE DID THE 2ND 1 COME FROM.THANKS TINO
Hey Tino, I'll try to explain as best as i can
the first column is just the result (red or black)
the second column is a "virtual" record of how your bankroll would look if you were playing follow the last. You don't really play this, just keep track of it
the third column is our "real bankroll" if this gets to +4 or -8 we stop.
Ok now how to bet, you play every other bet, i.e bet then miss the next spin then bet again.
You look at the second column and bet for the back and forth motion i.e
r 0
r 1
r 2 <-- At this point you would bet that the second column would go back to 1, so bet black
b 1 <-- Win +1
r 0 <--- At this point you would bet that the second column would go back to 1 again, so bet red
r 1 <--- Win +2
Your record would then look like this
r 0
r 1
r 2
b 1 1
r 0
r 1 2
Hope that helps
cheers
THNKK YOU RED HOT THAT HELPS CHEERS TINO
Quote from: hlkhoo on April 29, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
You got the test wrong!
Here's how you should play. Playing continuously, you will have a +4.
Remember, one of his rules is NOT to play continuously. Stop win/loss is +4 or -8 respectively. The highest -ve I have before recording a +4 win, is -6.
Don't expect to win every time. Someday you will lose and according to James, you will have higher wins ratio to losses!
FIRST : YOU'VE STARTED PLAYING AT FOURTH HIT...I'VE STARTED AT THIRD.....SO THIS WORTH NOTHING
SECOND : HE BET FOR -1 WHEN THE COUNT IS AT 0 ; SOMETIME YOU BET FOR 1...SOMETIME FOR -1
THIRD : ARE YOU HIS GRANDSON ??? WHO ARE YOU TO PROOVE I'M WRONG....FROM THE FIRST DAY I'VE STARTED THIS THREAD I JUST WISH THE MAN COME AND TELL ME IF MY PLAY IS GOOD OR BAD....I'VE SENT SEVERAL EMAIL BUT NO REPLY....
IF YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO PLAY THIS AND HAVE TIME TO TEACH US YOUR WELCOME
Kompressor, the way i have described above is the way to play it, I believe hlkhoo is playing it correctly.
I know from talking to James at gamblers glen, he had a huge thread there where he explained it.
My humble opinion is that you forget about him and hes methods.
That is my friendly advice.
You see there is one thing to argue and make claims, any one can do that it is easy.
Show a way how to play is also easy.
Roulette will give you a negative expectation no matter how you turnaround numbers, so forget about flat betting.
There is no math or secret formula that will change this.
It is a waste of time to spend hours and hours testing some thing that you already know will not work as you expect it to do.
I am not saying that you should stop testing things do, but I say you have to do so with the correct expectation.
This means that you try to find a honest way to win and break even for as long as you can and have fun.
One good start is to try to stop playing when you are ahead, every time and when you don't you try to break even.
This way you will have less worries and you will become a true happy winner at all times, even if you hit a loss limit.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Quote from: redhot on April 29, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
Kompressor, the way I have described above is the way to play it, I believe hlkhoo is playing it correctly.
I know from talking to James at gamblers glen, he had a huge thread there where he explained it.
but why sometime you bet that 0 become -1 and sometime that 0 become 1
Quote from: kompressor on April 29, 2009, 04:29:34 PM
but why sometime you bet that 0 become -1 and after that 0 become 1
In this situation:
b
b 1
r 0 <-- here it is 0, but it was 1 before so you would be betting that it will go back to 1
r 1 <-- Win
In this situation:
b
r -1
r 0 <-- here it is 0, but it was -1 before so you would be betting that it will go back to -1
b -1<-- win
Quotebut why sometime you bet that 0 become -1 and after that 0 become 1
Its like trying to find the key to the solution no one has because you can't out guess 50/50.
LS
QuoteIts like trying to find the key to the solution no one has because you can't out guess 50/50.
There will allways be some one that claims he can and argue but there will never be some one that can show you how.
LS
QuoteThere will allways be some one that claims he can and argue but there will never be some one that can show you how.
This is a never ending story.
LS
QuoteThis is a never ending story.
Ask Gizmo or Spike :thumbsup:
LS
Quote from: Lucky Strike on April 29, 2009, 04:35:14 PM
Its like trying to find the key to the solution no one has because you can't out guess 50/50.
LS
its like when you're on the last step of an even chance progression...you feel like an idiot....but this system is flat betting and have money management....a good package for a casino trip (for fun or course :'( :'()
This means that you try to find a honest way to win and break even for as long as you can and have fun.
One good start is to try to stop playing when you are ahead, every time and when you don't you try to break even.
This way you will have less worries and you will become a true happy winner at all times, even if you hit a loss limit.
LS
kompressor we can start a study group if you want?
LS
quit on the top of the wave....but you never know how high the wave will be....and how deep the next will go
Kompressor,
No worries! Whether I'm his grandson or not it doesn't matter. ;)
Your post is outright wrong and that's why I'm telling you are not correct.
Don't get me wrong, I'm don't come here to prove who's right or wrong.
I just post the facts.
With this method, after some 3000 shoes simulation, you still come out ahead
and if I were to average out, each shoe you probably making around 100dollars in each shoes.
Let's not forget, on a bad run, you could end up say 8 to 10 consecutive losing days before any wins is recorded. Well, one can certainly raise his bet unit i. e. to say 500 a unit and have a higher winning. The question here, can he or she withstand the 10 days losing session when shit happens.
Anyway, my test was based on continuous testing and this may not reflect the true simulation on actual play in the casino. In real life, you dont play 3000 shoes one after another!
So, as far as my testing goes, I can only share with you up to this point. In order to do a real simulation as close as casino play, I will have to write a program to pick random shoes but I just don't have the time yet!
but why sometime you bet that 0 become -1 and after that 0 become 1
In this situation:
b
b 1
r 0 <-- here it is 0, but it was 1 before so you would be betting that it will go back to 1
r 1 <-- Win
In this situation:
b
r -1
r 0 <-- here it is 0, but it was -1 before so you would be betting that it will go back to -1
b -1<-- win
hlkhoo...that's what i was doing incorrectly ??
Quotebut why sometime you bet that 0 become -1 and after that 0 become 1
Redhot certainly has the best explanation. I suggest you read his post again and pay attention to the statement "back & forth motion". That's the key.
I don't think I can explain any better than his.
Wendel says he's back from his 'other house'. A couple years ago he claimed to own half a town and a waterfall in upstate NY. Its amazing what you can own on the internet even if you're a halfwit moron..
James, you don't understand. Viper5, and Murph have already given us the holy grail. :sarcastic:
Quote from: Herb on May 04, 2009, 07:33:20 PM
James, you don't understand. Viper5, and Murph have already given us the holy grail. :sarcastic:
LOL herb thanks to remind us!
I almost forgot :girl_wacko:
Hi Redhot and hlkhoo
I see you have the system down to playing the right way. Good going.Don't mind the two that don't understand it's because they are just another spike like on the G.G which I call people like that stone age thinking. Anyhow nice work I did good to teach you well.
Your friend
winwithmath
James Albert Wendel
Hi Everyone
Well post soon. I've been upstate at my house to rest a little. I see spike has said I own most of the town.Not true only 1/3 of the town.The waterfall is true over 20 ft. wide about 5 ft high. and a real nice pond about 30 feet from the house. The stream is also about 20 ft. wide also nice fishing.
What spike forgot to say I also have a waterfall at my house on Long Island N.Y. A 20 ft waterfall with 2 ponds in the middle of my circle driveway.All done in stone.At Night I have color lights turn on and it looks great.Bad news no fish to much work.
winwithmath
Your Friend
James Albert Wendel
This thing strikes me thusly......and I could be wrong........
Any system which waits for something to happen or not to happen and then either bets or doesn't bet is doomed to failure. Why? It is supposing that since the wheel did or did not do something, it will do or not do something else. I am going to look closely at redhot's post and try to see what he is seeing, but I have my doubts.
Sam
Another thing that bothers me.....
When you're up 4 or down 8 you stop. How long do you stay stopped? Do you switch tables? Casinos? What if you're playing on line? Could you switch from roulette to Baccarat? What if I sat down at your table right after you won 4? Would I be doomed to loose?
I guess it was several things.......
Sam
Twocatsam
I do agree, the method looks good but need's to get some answers. To stop on -8 which one? The record keeping of what would the bet looked liked if you follow the spins to repeat. or if your bet on change of the prior prior is -8. Why only play every second spin? Then you play to the last one that was played. Can the middle one then be used to play it to stay the same. To play the prior prior to the change seems to me that if its stated that the law of maths rules that everything will change, that this method is not adhering to this. It repeat the proses of changing the past. What if the past needs to repeat and the change is in the second one that's not used.
Cracking PI - made it clear. to rule random out of the game one needs 2 spins on the wheel to get a calculation on what is happening and to calculate what might happen. Never is it said that the past will only change it can and will repeat.
To stop on +4 is a good idea. This can make any method a winner. To just play EC black till +4 and stop means nothing if I can't tell you when to start to play. If something must happen to start will it or not? It might change.
Tcd
Whether a system is for EC or numbers it must be a 'complete' system, with all the components necessary for
it to make a profit in the long term.
Hi
On GG James wrote that when the dimensions differ you can not bet on bot even chances so it will be no bet till the dimensions out come are the same........that is how I understood it. So the next dimension is a kind of checking system and help to limit your losses.
Here are some numbers:
1) 35
2) 3 -1 Bet Lost-1
3) 27+0
4) 24+1 -1 Bet Lost-2
5) 28+2
6) 10+1 +0
7) 20+0
8 12-1 -1 +1 From here the dimensions differ = no bet
9) 28-2
10)30-1 +0
11)8 -2
12)25-3 -1 +2
13)15-4
14)16-3+0
15)28-4
16)33-3 +1 +1
17)10-4
18)33-5 +0
19)10-6
20)23-7 -1 +0
21)35-6
22)32-5 -2
23)16-6
24)23-7 -3 -1
25)20-6
26)3 -7 -2
27)36-6
28)8 -7 +1 -2
29)27 -6
30)34 -5 +0
31)14 -6
32)14 -5 +1 -1 bet here total -1
33)29 -6
34)1 -7 +0
35)19 -8
36)18 -7+1 +0 bet here total 0
37)31 -8
38)11 -9 +0
39)20 -8
40) 13-9 +1 +1 bet here total +1
41)..............
What I mean with dimensions differ is:
D-1 D-2 D-3
8 12 -1 -1 +1
9) 28 -2
10) 30 -1 0
11) 8 -2
12) 25 -3 -1 +2
Bet 12) is a no bet because D-1 needs a-1 to win and change D-2 to +1 That is then a win for you but....
D-3 indicates that it needs a -1 to win =no bet.
Here the dimensions is the same.
36)18 -7+1 +0
37)31 -8
38)11 -9 +0
39)20 -8
40) 13-9 +1 +1 bet here total +1
Bet 40) is a bet because it needs a +1 to win.
That is my two and a half cents.
:)
Regards
Max
(Please if my explanation is wrong rectified it James.)
Hi All
Ok... I have tried to create an excel tracker for betting under JAW's rules. You can use this to freely test how JAW's betting will stack up.
If you believe that the rules are not applied correctly, please let me know and I will fix it in my next version.
Cheers
Oz
PS. This excel tracker can accomodate upto 1000 spins. Also, you will notice that I have got three sections for three ECs (Color, Position, and Suit).
I welcome any feedback.
Hi ozshabs,
Thanks for your work, mate.
I get the error message after downloading and can not open the file.
hi bazeegar
I just downloaded the file from the forum and it worked ok.
if you want, I can email it to you. For that, you may need to wait couple of days.
Pls PM me your email address, if you would like the file to be emailed to you.
Cheers
PS. is everyone who downloaded this file having the same issue?
Cool tracker Oz.
Now the newbies can see how useless this Wendel stuff is.
-335 after 4365 spins, I can see where this is going.
Hi ozshabs,
I am getting following error...
sent you the PM
Quote from: Bazeegar on October 21, 2009, 09:58:48 PM
Hi ozshabs,
I am getting following error...
sent you the PM
bazeegar
try saving the file in your desktop and see if that helps.
regardless, I will email you a copy in the next couple of days.
cheers
Quote from: ozshabs on October 21, 2009, 11:09:49 PM
bazeegar
try saving the file in your desktop and see if that helps.
regardless, I will email you a copy in the next couple of days.
cheers
No it doesn't work that way also. Thanks in advance.