o.k testing seems good so I will explain the way im playing this system.
we have two sets of streets layouts below. layout A is the normal streets layout, layout B is set up in a PERFECT way from my point of view.
LAYOUT A LAYOUT B
1 2 3 32 19 21
4 5 6 25 34 27
7 8 9 36 30 23
10 11 12 5 16 1
13 14 15 14 9 18
16 17 18 7 12 3
19 20 21 15 4 2
22 23 24 17 6 13
25 26 27 11 8 10
28 29 30 24 33 20
31 32 33 31 22 29
34 35 36 28 35 26
Bankroll needed 150units.
All flatbetting with little breaks.
Layout B is set up in a way to play for the single 0 wheel.
-- As numbers appear we look at the street layouts above and we cross off the numbers from layout A and B.
-- When any of the streets above have 2 of the numbers hit from the street we play the unhit number from that street as a single number bet. carry on tracking while betting, adding the new unhit numbers from the streets.
-- Never have 2 units on a number. Even if a number is needed from both layouts
-- If 0 appers then we now play 0 as a sinlge number bet until end of betting.
-- We ONLY stop when we have a full street in any of the 2 layouts shown above. You should be in profit when a full street has come , regardless of bankroll we stop and start at my first step.
AND always retrack from the next number spun after a win on a full street.
Any questions.
happy testing.
mattjono
P.S I can neary pritty much spot triggers numbers without tracking its stuck in my head now. ill try to memoerize the other street layout B. so I can play at casino casually betting on ''the street way'' and hopefully winning money. ;D
I woud like to request a loss of -150 units the first one to lose 150units using the rules above is the WINNER. :clapping:
Thanks for posting your system matt. I will try it out over the next day or 2 and let you know how it goes. :)
Looks great, I'll see if I can be a winner! :P
I just played 2 sessions and won both very fast , both wins flatbetting .
Quote from: Kingspin on May 17, 2009, 09:10:51 PM
I just played 2 sessions and won both very fast , both wins flatbetting .
great kingspin.
cheers,
mattjono
Hi Mate,
I have not had much luck playing the system as outlined. What did work well however was when I continued betting until I deleted a total of 6 streets drawn from either side or had achieved an acceptable level of profit.
This a very clever spin - Well done.
Quote from: 17black on May 17, 2009, 09:50:48 PM
Hi Mate,
I have not had much luck playing the system as outlined. What did work well however was when I continued betting until I deleted a total of 6 streets drawn from either side or had achieved an acceptable level of profit.
This a very clever spin - Well done.
thanks for the feedback 17black.
do you have the spins recorded and how much was the loss and how long did the full street take to come.
Hey Matt,
Just finished a 100 spin session and I ended up -36 units...(was down over 100 units at 1 point) First thing I want to know is did I even play it right? lol
If I did, I did end up climbing myself out of the -100u hole, so maybe this is more of a grind than anything - or I just had a rough 1st session. If you could check the txt file I attached and let me know if I need to make any gameplay changes I'd appreciate it!
Quote from: celiza427 on May 17, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Hey Matt,
Just finished a 100 spin session and I ended up -36 units...(was down over 100 units at 1 point) First thing I want to know is did I even play it right? lol
If I did, I did end up climbing myself out of the -100u hole, so maybe this is more of a grind than anything - or I just had a rough 1st session. If you could check the txt file I attached and let me know if I need to make any gameplay changes I'd appreciate it!
you played the system axactly right celiza427. and as you can see there is 150spins in your test. started with 150units you did not lose your bankroll and you also had a point where you would of been in profit of 30units this would of been a big factor in this session if it was played for real. if at anytime you have nearly lost your bankroll then bring it back to any profit even 1 units I would call I quits for the session and had a lucky escape.
thanks for the feedback was the test r,n,g or a live wheel.
mattjono
i just had a go on live wheel 1 on dublinbet play chips recording and testing the live spins(im actually trying to lose 150units but im struggling, maybe i should of done a longer session).
here is the session and i have attached a excel sheet whith the printed screens from dublin bet for the proof .
12
24
28
19
9
34
9
3
22 23
35 -1 23,26,36
11 -3 10,23,26,36
0 -4 0,10,23,26,36
21 -5 0,10,20,23,26,32,36
36 29
16
22
33
14
33
32 31
35 -1
5 -1 1,31
19 -2 1,21,31
2 -3
22 -3
3 -3
8 -3
18 -3 1,9,17,21,31
9 31
29spins +28units.
my mission goes on.
mattjono
actually its too big to be uploaded as attachment, probably because of the print screens. donsnt matter.
bet lanky could make a good profit from this system. ;D
mattjono
Quote from: MATTJONO on May 18, 2009, 06:49:28 AM
you played the system axactly right celiza427. and as you can see there is 150spins in your test. started with 150units you did not lose your bankroll and you also had a point where you would of been in profit of 30units this would of been a big factor in this session if it was played for real. if at anytime you have nearly lost your bankroll then bring it back to any profit even 1 units I would call I quits for the session and had a lucky escape.
thanks for the feedback was the test r,n,g or a live wheel.
mattjono
Good to hear Matt. Yeah if I was playing for real I definitely would've stopped once I rose back from the dead. I believe that was at spin 90 something and I just wanted to have over 100 spins to post for you, not knowing my last few spins would be a tough one. They were RNG spins. I'll try to continue this later today and post my results. Thanks for letting me know I was doing it right!
Quote from: Number Six on May 18, 2009, 10:41:35 AM
Nice work, Matt. The street will complete, it's a matter of keeping the BR intact until that happens. I looked at Celiza's worksheet, at spin 40-odd the BR was about to bust, then a hit came pretty quickly. As you mentioned Lanky I presume you're thinking of using a divisor? The street way seems to have a fairly solid hit rate, and if that can be maintained a divisor would suit this way perfectly.
You can introduce the divisor when you get to a certain position in deficit, ie say -50 units or so, then keep it running until you're back in profit then revert to flat betting, introducing the divisor again when the BR drops. Your target is always your current drawdown from your previous BR high (so if your BR was 15, then you had the divisor kicking in at -50, the target would be 66 [to reach a new BR high]). You'll find that using a divisor like this works tremendously well. Even if you have a pretty poor hit rate you will simply always end in profit, and in a bad session you'll be around even or suffer a small loss. Of course, the session from hell will be significantly worse. It would be interesting to know the limits of the system. I mean, you can get a hit on the first spin, but what's the longest you've gone without a win?
number6 the longest I have waited for a full street for this system is 19 spins im sure it will go further than this as I have only tested it on around 500 spins but does look pritty solid so far. and as you said using the divisor could be a good idea to make the bankroll even safer, but for know ill carring on flatbetting trying to lose my 150units.
thanks 6.
mattjono
I truly like this approach. Adding a divisor is a great idea I believe. I would love to play this approach with a divisor on a non-zero wheel.
So I ran a few hundred spins of the method and I am impressed. Dont get me wrong...I understand the concept of standard deviation...I am simply stating I like the approach. What I did notice is that the few times that the approach struggled over extended spins there were always a disproportionate amount of repeats. It seems to me that a repeating method used in conjunction with this approach would do very well to smooth out the rough spots.
I am just throwing out observations at this point. I will continue to test the method as it stands for the time being and report back results. I know all to well how easy it is to go off in a milion different directions and I will try and stay on point.
this was a great session 37 spins and +77units.
I stopped the session when I thought I was getting greedy ;D
11
24
31
3
28
22 23,29
32 -2 23,29,33
35 -3 23,26,29,33
29 32
5
28
16 1
29 -1 1,30
5 -2
4 -2 1,6,30
10 -3
14 -3
21 -3
19 -3 1,6,20,30,32
3 -5
26 -5 1,6,20,30,32,35
27 -6
27 -6
11 -6
20 30
18
7
9
21 8,14
9 -2
8 34
23
8
2
36 30
9 -1 7,30
7 34
cheers.
mattjono
Quote from: Innovcon on May 18, 2009, 01:33:34 PM
So I ran a few hundred spins of the method and I am impressed. Dont get me wrong...I understand the concept of standard deviation...I am simply stating I like the approach. What I did notice is that the few times that the approach struggled over extended spins there were always a disproportionate amount of repeats. It seems to me that a repeating method used in conjunction with this approach would do very well to smooth out the rough spots.
I am just throwing out observations at this point. I will continue to test the method as it stands for the time being and report back results. I know all to well how easy it is to go off in a milion different directions and I will try and stay on point.
If I'm not mistaken I believe that was the idea of the Perfect Balance System. It tried to capitalize on unhit's in streets & repeaters. This method tho, does throw in Layout B, so it could be worth a try.
thanks all for the ideas i do take it in.
I think i will carry on the way im playing.
its not all down to the unhit parts.
for the repeater part in this system.
-- we are technichly playing the hot streets all the time as 2 of the numbers have already hit.
-- Layout B the way it is set up, is so that when we get repeating sections of the wheel this should help us get a full street from layout b.
-- and i play 0 whenever the 0 has appeared during betting.
cheers,
mattjono
Quote from: MATTJONO on May 17, 2009, 08:36:03 PM
I woud like to request a loss of -150 units the first one to lose 150units using the rules above is the WINNER. :clapping:
not bin that long but i have never seen a downfall of -150units. and nobody from what i know has lost 150units yet.
if you do then let me know please.
need as many actuals if im going to play for real money.
mattjono
Here are two tests I ran against some of my own actuals. The first one is the system unmodified as explained in this thread. The second is against the same spins using a mode I thought of.
Both tests ran against the same 105 spin data set.
Test #1 Results = +74 Units in 105 spins
Test #2 Results = +307 Units in 105 spins
-SC
**You will notice that there a (3) instances where a split bet is made. This was a mistake but since it had no effect on the outcome of the test in unit won/lost I did not bother to correct it.**
**These are results from the non-zero wheel on Betfair. Just in case anyone wonders why no zeros in the 105 spins.**
"I stopped the session when I thought I was getting greedy" >>> This can mean two different things. Did you STOP after viewing the NEXT few numbers (lousy numbers) or did you stop at a certain point WITHOUT viewing any future numbers? Ken
Another test of extended spins on the non-zero wheel. Not good results and I think I passed your test for a 150 unit drawdown.
Test 3 is using the method described in this thread. Test 4 is using my twist.
Test 3 = -195 Units
Test 4 = -32 Units
So far results are ...
Basic = +74
-195
Twist = +307
-32
-SC
OK last test tonight I think. My eyes are starting to bug out on me. :o
Test 5 is basic way as outlined in this thread...
+116 in 97 spins
Test 6 is my twist...
+232 in 97 spins
Keep in mind both are flat betting inside numbers. No progressions of any kind.
So far the total results of both are as follows...
Basic
+74...105 spins
-195...301 spins
+116...97 spins
total = -5 in 507 spins
Twist
+307...105 spins
-32...301 spins
+232...97 spins
total = +507 in 507 spins :haha:
Just a coincidence I swear. Anyway I am shot for now. Will test a few more later tonight.
-SC
**Same exact numbers used to test the 'basic' and the 'twist' if I didnt already make that clear**
"I stopped the session when I thought I was getting greedy" >>> This can mean two different things. Did you STOP after viewing the NEXT few numbers (lousy numbers) or did you stop at a certain point WITHOUT viewing any future numbers? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on May 18, 2009, 07:54:14 PM
"I stopped the session when I thought I was getting greedy" >>> This can mean two different things. Did you STOP after viewing the NEXT few numbers (lousy numbers) or did you stop at a certain point WITHOUT viewing any future numbers? Ken
hi ken was just about to reply, I stopped without viewing any numbers.
I have 9960spins that I do all my testing off. called dozen tracker dont know if anyone else has it I recived it from mxkidd77 I think or maybe from the download section its attached if anyone wants it.
I will carry on from where I left of. (the test you are on about ken is from spin 1 in the attachment).
thanks,
mattjono
Thanks buddy. Ken
I have to admit Innovcon playing the repeating numbers does give better results so for the time being ill be testing as follows.
1. on unhit numbers from streets layout A + B.
2. on numbers that have hit 2 times.
3. bet 0 when appeared once.
STOP- a full street complete or a number hit 3 times.
BAD SESSION== my guessing is usually good. I guess it will go as far as spin20 before one of the above hit.
and we could be betting sometimes up to 20 single numbers. BUT maybe it will never get near my guessing. (hopefully)
thanks everyone.
mattjono
Im not really sure what the best way to play it is...but I do believe it has promise. Playing for repeats in some fashion seems to work well within the base system. I guess time will tell. I'll continue tweeking and testing. I will always test the base method as well as any changes on the spins I have. This way we can compare and contrast.
-SC
"Playing for repeats in some fashion seems to work well" >>> Where is everyone? "Dont bet on repeats cause any street can hit". I'm waiting on THOSE comments. If playing repeats are not good for one method, they are no good for ALL methods, correct? Ken
Well maybe not. Let just take a leap of faith here for a minute and suppose we have a method that will either hit an individual number(s) quickly or go on an extended run without hitting that/those individual number(s). We have no way of knowing which will occur. We do know however from looking at those times when the method does go on an extended run (and therefore struggles to turn a profit) there seems to be a disproportionate amount of repeats.
So, we think to ourselves...This thing seems to either win rather quickly on the few numbers we target...or it strugles for a decent run of numbers. And when it does struggle (and we are losing on the few numbers we target) there are an awful lot of repeats. So, we being ever thinking beings, decide why dont we bet on both. And if either one takes the lead we just might come out ahead. Well, then we think to ourselves if one is winning the other is losing correct? How can we come out ahead? Well, we are betting on the inside numbers, we dont need to win as many bets as we lose. We are getting paid greater than 1:1 on our bets.
Now, all that being said...If this thing actually turned out to be a winner you could knock me over with a feather. I am just having fun with the testing. No harm no foul.
-SC
Test7 attached.
+169 Units in 127 spins
Hi Innovcon
Could you please explain the twist. It seems to be more than just follwing the repeat numbers.
Thanks
17black
Quote from: MATTJONO on May 18, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
I have to admit Innovcon playing the repeating numbers does give better results so for the time being ill be testing as follows.
1. on unhit numbers from streets layout A + B.
2. on numbers that have hit 2 times.
3. bet 0 when appeared once.
STOP- a full street complete or a number hit 3 times.
BAD SESSION== my guessing is usually good. I guess it will go as far as spin20 before one of the above hit.
and we could be betting sometimes up to 20 single numbers. BUT maybe it will never get near my guessing. (hopefully)
thanks everyone.
mattjono
all we need to do is ptotect our bankroll. (easy said I know) we get plenty of wins betting very threw numbers, its the time when betting more than 10 numbers over the 10th spin.
? maybe when the long run appear 10numbers + over 10th spin when you hit. we end up losing lets around -50units for that run of betting. MAYBE we could take advantage of this long run any ideas welcome.
cheers,
mattjono
mattjono
Real spins Playtech wheel:
if you want I can post whole session (60 numbers)
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hi trylobit do you have the numbers from 1-21 i might have an idea of retracking if the run was bad.
mattjono
here is whole session.
playing this time gave me different ending balance, so maybe I made a mistake somewhere...
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why is it i am always lucky when testing systems.
here is my origianal rules not betting on numbers hit 2 times, however betting on the last number that has just spun in (i did this because i had a look over my testing on the system on the testing zone and on a thew of the longs runs there is a repeater, so just a quick test i thought but the results were good.
35
20
35
11
7
2
8 8,9,10
28 -3 9,10,26,28
17 -4 9,10,17,26
25 -4 9,10,25,26
9 32 9,10,26
9
5
34
19
8 7,8
3 -2 3,7
18 -2 18,7
33 -2 7,33
23 -2 7,23
26 -2 7,26
35 -2 7,28,35,36
7 32
27
27
8
24
16
25 25,26,34
9 -3 7,9,26,34
25 -4 7,25,26,35
7 32
29
2
23
2
30 28,30,36
14 -3 14,28,36
3 -3 1,3,28,36
2 -4 1,2,28,36
2 32
31
9
4
15 2,15
0 -2 0,2
12 -2 0,2,10,12
28 -4 0,2,10,28
11 -4 0,2,10,11
25 -4 0,2,10,25
34 -4 0,2,10,27,34
21 -5 0,2,10,21,27
6 -5 0,2,5,6,10,21,27
35 -7 0,2,5,10,21,26,27,35,36
5 27
11
6
18
3
12 7,10,12
17 -3 7,10,13,16,17
35 -5 7,10,13,16,35
12 -5 7,10,12,13,16,
10 31
63 spins +93units.
cheers,
mattjono
Not to sound cruel but this thread/idea will also die a slow death. They all do. Ken
If I get time I will try testing this system. I will do sessions with these rules.
START with Bankroll=200units
STOP when lost all bankroll -200units OR +300units.
so walking into casino everytime with $200units and walking out with $0 or $500.
if we get around the same average of losing days to winning days we should be looking at always making a profit.
(''dream'' maybe not but worth a look)
JONO
The table is most important Matt.
You can test as long as you wish,
it have nothing in common with
the real play,real people,real wheel,
real money.I make strategy,spin
it about 400 times on my wheel,and if it works
off I go to casino playing it.If it doesn't home-work
I don't play........................Iboba 8)