Hi guys, ;)
I'll try a second time as my previous post vanished when I wanted to add some smileys (more smileys). ::)
I do not claim in anyway that this is a system that I have developed first. :D Reason I say this is cause I know from experience that in most cases whatever new system one thinks you've found, someone else is already playing or at least some variant of it. :D
Anyway here goes ....... my system. (hahahehehe) :D :D
Starting with reverse numbers. Most of you will know them but for those who do not here they are. 10,11,12,13,20,21,22,23,30,31,32,33. Reason why they are called reverse numbers are because you can turn them around and get another number on the roulette wheel. Double numbers (11,22,33) also qualify as reverse numbers for obvious reasons.
When you look at the Tote board you'll notice that usually a third or more numbers there are reverse numbers. That's why I say, play these numbers straight up with a progression. You guys can work out a nice progression and post it here. ;DYou'll be amazed at the frequant hits. ;)OK word of warning. :-/I also haven't done alot of testing so you guys can help by testing and testing and testing! All in fun money mode of course. I'd prefer it tested with real spins and not RNG. OK part two. Numerology tells us that all numbers are represented by 0-9 (0=0,10,20,30) (1=1,11,21,31) (2=2,12,22,32) and so forth up to and including 9. Now by looking at the past spins on the Tote board select up to 2 groups of numbers that hasn't shown on the Tote board or on you card for the last say 15 spins. For instance say group 2 and group 8 hasn't shown. Now bet together with the reverse numbers, 2,12,22,32 & 8,18,28
It doesn't matter that 22 features twice. I like to put 2 chips if this senario occurs on the 22 and 2 on the 12 and 2 on the 32. Believe me the 2's and 8's will pitch! Never though choose more than 2 groups. If there are more than 2 missing do not play. If 1 or 2 groups are missing, play. Anyhow, my testing was most probably a bit of good fortune. What the hell though let's test it and see where it goes! Please post your results here and if any suggestions or improvements are thought of, feel free to add it here. This method is pretty much in the clay and putty stage and needs to be formed before cured. :)
Cheers to all! :thumbsup:
Your friendly neighbourhood Jackal ;D
Jakkalsdraai
;)OK, got another spin on this. Use the reverse numbers and the splits 3/6 7/10 15/18 19/22 27/30 31/34 as in spinouts post.
If a reverse number falls bet immediately only the reverse numbers for 4 spins increasing the bets with 1 chip per number per spin or until a win. While doing this if a split number comes up (any of the splits above) add those to your bet but play them as seperate entity. Progress them as well with one chip per split for 4 spins or stop on win. In both these cases wait for another split to fall as trigger for the splits to play and wait for a trigger for the reverse numbers to fall before another play.
Fun money mode, betting $5 chips at Jebet.com, dealer was Demet. In 22mins, went up from $ 1300 to $ 2800. Not bad ? Yes I know I had a good run and sometimes it won't run that way. Point I'm makeing is that Reverse numbers follow each other more than not and so do those splits. What more do you need?
Try it!
Cheers! :thumbsup:
Your friendly neighbourhood Jackal! ;D
Just to be clear, if a split falls, play all the above splits for four spins progressing 1 chip per spin. Same for the reverse numbers.
You'll notice that when playing these together you'll get hits like on number 30 for instance where both groups hit! Those are really nice!
Cheers again!
Jakkalsdraai
Why do you always put this Tons of smileys in your Posts mate...LMAO ;D
/Compa
I like to smile in general. ;D I like to laugh at life even if it's not always smiling at me. ;D ;) :) I believe problems become smaller if you laugh at them, ;D and good fortune multiplies if you should laugh with it! ;D ;) :)
It never hurts as much if you loose your bankroll ;D :D...when you smile. ;D Nothing feels as good if you are winning and you smile...or laugh. :) ;D :) ;D :) ;D
Oh yes I also like beer, whisky and golf...I'm good at the first two! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So even when I almost decapitate another golfer's head with a snap hook...laugh! ;D He will most probably laugh too ;D.....except of course if you should manage to hit him :-/.......then depending on how many friends he has with him and how big he is :-/........buy him a beer (with a smile) ......... or run LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :) ;) ;D
hehehehahahahah!!!!!
See ya Compa! The extra smileys are specially for you! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :) :) :) :) :) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Your friendly...smiling :)...laughing ;Dneighbourhood Jackal
Jakkalsdraai :) :) ;) ;) :D ;D ;D 8-) 8-) 8-) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Hahahaha, I love you mate :D Great Jack!
Cheers
/Compa
Hehehehahahaha! ;D You're cool dude! 8-)
Hey Compa, played another session at jebet. Up from $2800 to just over $3600. :thumbsup:
Try out the system. I must admit I did progress a bit further than what stated in the post above. Check the tote board. Of the 10 last results almost never less than 4-5 reverse numbers. What do ya think. I noticed this at my local casino as wel at jebet. I think there could be something here. It seems to be pretty consistant.
Cheers Mate!
Jakkalsdraai
Ok, cool. How many spins did you do with it mate? :thumbsup:
;D
cheers
/Compa
Hey Compa, :thumbsup: I've now played 3 sessions. ;)Been up every session. I know it's early stages but looks quite nice. When looking at the Tote, I make an evaluation on how many reverse numbers are featuring in the last 10 results. Check a couple of spins if you are unsure. You'll notice that these numbers never go less than 3-4 numbers of the last 10. So if you should have 5 numbers (reverse numbers) on the Tote board but consistantly it's been at 3-4. Do not bet until it's down again to 3-4. I play these progressing 1 chip per number per spin until win. :o
Try it. See what ya think! ;D :thumbsup:
Cheers Mate :thumbsup:
Jakkalsdraai
Update at Jebet.com ;)
Now $5160! (Remember fun money) ;D
Cheers! :thumbsup:
Jakkalsdraai
Well, I've tried your system and i must say it works pretty well, but when the numbers are not hitting you go down pretty hard (if your using €5 chips) so i say it works great but only with a big bankroll (€1000+)
greetings Roger. ;)
Hi Jack. Here's a brief result on your reverse-numbers:
wLLwwLwLwwLLLLLLLLwLLwLLLLLLLLLwLLLLLLLw = 40 spins at DublinBet.
Not exactly a KillerSystem so far. But it might work if playing back to back with something else ;)
Cheers
/Compa
;) Hey Roger & Compa. ;)
Yip, bad streaks can happen. :( So far though I've been doin well. :thumbsup:Roger do you look at the Tote board and first find an average of Reverse numbers featuring on the board? If you play it like this, losses do not come quickly. So if you see that 3-4 reverse numbers features on average on the Tote then do not bet if the reverse numbers surpass this average. Wait 'till the balance is restored then bet again. Guess it's not perfect but one could do very well if you read the situation. I play the reverse numbers as described above. The split numbers I only play after a target shows up. Then I bet until a win. So I do combine both the split system and the reverse numbers.
Hey Compa, it seems you really ended up having a bad run. Did you play both systems together though? Splits and reverse systems? I have seen at Jebet that the one table didn't feaure as many reverse numbers as I would of liked, so I played table 2. Worked well. It's important though to know if you have hit say 3-4 reverse numbers on the Tote and that's what has been averaging on that table, then do not continue betting if there are say 5 reverse numbers. Wait 'till it tails off again. I see in the first 10 spins the reverse numbers featured 6 out of 10! This average cannot continue. So losses will catch up. If you had a run like this, great but now wait for the balance to return. OK I acknowledge that those loosing streak were heavy!
Anyhow try it some more Compa. I'm currentl $5800.00 at Jebet. I'm going on just now. Hope I haven't jinxed myself! :D
Cheers guys! ;)
Jakkalsdraai
;) OK guys had my first loss last night. Went from $5800 to $5000. I stopped for the evening. Had another session this morning. Broke through the $7000. barrier. $7036 but still playing as I'm typing!
Cheers guys
Jakkalsdraai
Jakkalsdraai, What is the average in last 10 spins you look for on the splits is it 3-4 also, like the reverse numbers or just wait for the split to show then bet on the splits?
;) Hey Bloom,
Yes my friend, on the splits I wait for a trigger. Meaning I wait for a split to appear then I play the splits for 4 spins increasing the bet 1 Chip per split per spin. Stop on a win and wait for new trigger or if no win continue to 4 spins.
I'm actually going for anotehr seesion now. Will let you guys know how it goes.
Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai
OK Was up to $8459.00
Broke my own rules and then lost. So now I'm down again to $6700.00...ouch! Will try tomorrow again.
Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai
What rules did you break?
............. you were up more then 8K and did not stop? :o
Carlitos 8-)
Quote............. you were up more then 8K and did not stop? :o
Carlitos 8-)
Remember that he played in fun mode, if it was for real i already would have withdrawn the money. ;D
;D Hahahahaha! If it was real money, I would of still been crying!
The rules I broke was that I didn't stop at the 4th spin with the progression. I suddenly in a moment of madness convinced myself that a number will hit. :-[ So I kept progressing and progressing and loosing and losing! It was my own fault though! :o :-[ :D
Cheers guys! ;)
Jakkalsdraai
;)Ok Up to $8000 again! Took a while though. (Fun money)
Will keep you up to date.
Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai ;)
Quote;)Ok Up to $8000 again! Took a while though. (Fun money)
Will keep you up to date.
Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai ;)
Congrads!, Based upon the current success who are having, at what point do you think its time to play for real, with min bets and compare your results ?
;) Hey Bloome,
Yes that is a difficult one. :-/ I do not want anyone to play this for real until you guys yourself have had good results with it. That means you guys that want to use this system must practise and practise. :thumbsup: Although it's an easy system, the more one plays it the better one's intuition gets. I for instance play the reverse numbers several different ways. For instance the average on the Tote board method, sometimes I use the trigger number method. Sometimes the reverse numbers go crazy and I've had it once at 8 out of the 10 numbers on the Tote was reverse numbers. Then I just bet every spin reverse numbers! Splits I always play with the trigger method though. That's why I say you have to practise before playing for real. I have had a couple of bad sessions but then I change table or take a rest. 8-) I always seem to recover with this system...touch wood. ;)I will only play for real once I have built up a bankroll again, since it somewhat got demolished a while back with a system I didn't fully understood but yet my impatience (big problem of mine) still made me play and loose! :(Hope that will be a lesson to like minded people! ;D Anyhow, I'm going to keep pushing the system to see where I get to. You Bloome, once you've practised can play for real as soon as you are comfy. ;)
Anyhow Bloome, have you tried it yet? If not, please first practise it a bit before playing! :thumbsup: :)
Cheers! :)
Jakkalsdraai
Hi Folks,
You're right, but then again fun mode says it all....... :o
Carlitos 8-)
;) Hey Carlitos,
Yip it's not real which means no real pressure. :-[ It is at Jebet (Dublin) though. :) So it is real live spins, not RNG. So even though the pressure are not the same, it does give true results. Standing at $9295 at the moment...oeps make that $9115, just lost a bet! And Oh yeah baby! $540 win! 3c per number (only reverse numbers)! Standing $9655
Cheers gotta go concentrate! Hhahahaha ;D
Jakkalsdraai
Dude, can be so ...:
25 Numbers
0 to Play
34
10 10*01
12 12*21
10 10 Win
4
7
12 12*21
28
3 3*30
19
30 30 Win
24
32 23*32
7
19
11
21 21*12
10 10*1
7
13 13*31
2 2*20
11
34
9
24
13 13 Win
Hey Jakson
Say you have a 13 and begin betting on31 to hit. Say it hits in five spin. Do you then begin betting for 13 again?
Ed..
Are you sure of your bets?
Sam
Hey Ed and Sam, ;)
OK Ed you play it differently than me. Whenever a reverse number hit I play all 12 reverse numbers. i.e. 10,11,12,13,20,21,22,23,30,31,32,33
25
0
34
10 > bet reverse numbers 1C on each
> 10 is also part of my splits system so it triggers the splits
> So bet 1 C on each 3/6 , 7/10 , 15/18 , 19/22 , 27/30 , 31/34
12> I win!! so now wait for new trigger
> Didn't win on splits, so add 1C to each split
10 > bet reverse numbers 1C on each
> I win on the splits (7/10 split) Wait for new trigger
4 > no bet
7 > no bet for reverse numbers
> Trigger - start betting for splits 1 C per split
12 > Trigger for reverse numbers start betting 1 C per number
> No win for splits - add 1 C per split
28 > No win on either -add 1 C each
3 > So Splits hit here - I win! Wait for new trigger
> Reverse numbers - no hit add 1 C per number
19 > OK new trigger for splits
> No win for reverse numbers Add 1 C to each number
30 > Yeeehhaw! Splits hit - I win!
> Reverse numbers hit - I win!
> Wait for trigger on both
24 > No trigger No bet
32 > trigger for reverse numbers
7 > Trigger for splits
> No hit reverse numbers - add 1C to each reverse number
19 > OK Splits win again Wait for new trigger
> Reverse numbers do not hit Add 1C per number
11 > OK reverse hit again! I Win! Wait for new trigger
21 > New trigger for reverse numbers
10 > Reverse numbers win! I win!!!! Wait for trigger for reverse numbers
New trigger for splits - bet splits
7 > Splits hit !!! I win Wait for new trigger
> So here we wait for both reverse and splits for triggers
13 > Trigger for reverse numbers
2 > No win add 1 C per number
11 > Reverse hits again! I win Wait for new trigger
Lastly You will see that there is 1 loss if we continue on the splits
34 will trigger but no win within 4 spins. That is the only loss though!!!
Must admit these were truely dream numbers!!!!!!!
Hope everyone understands my way of play !
Cheers
jakkalsdraai
and your 4 step progression is 1 2 3 4 for reverse and for splits?
Yes Bloome, ;)
That is correct. So if you'd bet $5 Cips (What I've been doing) You'd get $5,$10,$15,$20 per number. Stop on a loss and look for trigger again.
Cheers Mate :thumbsup:
Jakkalsdraai
Hey Edgar,
Here is your numbers the way I play it.
QuoteHey Ed and Sam, ;)
OK Ed you play it differently than me. Whenever a reverse number hit I play all 12 reverse numbers. i.e. 10,11,12,13,20,21,22,23,30,31,32,33
25
0
34
10 > bet reverse numbers 1C on each
> 10 is also part of my splits system so it triggers the splits
> So bet 1 C on each 3/6 , 7/10 , 15/18 , 19/22 , 27/30 , 31/34
12> I win!! so now wait for new trigger
> Didn't win on splits, so add 1C to each split
10 > bet reverse numbers 1C on each
> I win on the splits (7/10 split) Wait for new trigger
4 > no bet
7 > no bet for reverse numbers
> Trigger - start betting for splits 1 C per split
12 > Trigger for reverse numbers start betting 1 C per number
> No win for splits - add 1 C per split
28 > No win on either -add 1 C each
3 > So Splits hit here - I win! Wait for new trigger
> Reverse numbers - no hit add 1 C per number
19 > OK new trigger for splits
> No win for reverse numbers Add 1 C to each number
30 > Yeeehhaw! Splits hit - I win!
> Reverse numbers hit - I win!
> Wait for trigger on both
24 > No trigger No bet
32 > trigger for reverse numbers
7 > Trigger for splits
> No hit reverse numbers - add 1C to each reverse number
19 > OK Splits win again Wait for new trigger
> Reverse numbers do not hit Add 1C per number
11 > OK reverse hit again! I Win! Wait for new trigger
21 > New trigger for reverse numbers
10 > Reverse numbers win! I win!!!! Wait for trigger for reverse numbers
New trigger for splits - bet splits
7 > Splits hit !!! I win Wait for new trigger
> So here we wait for both reverse and splits for triggers
13 > Trigger for reverse numbers
2 > No win add 1 C per number
11 > Reverse hits again! I win Wait for new trigger
Lastly You will see that there is 1 loss if we continue on the splits
34 will trigger but no win within 4 spins. That is the only loss though!!!
Must admit these were truely dream numbers!!!!!!!
Hope everyone understands my way of play !
Cheers
jakkalsdraai
Thaks, I´m understand.
Un saludo corduail, Edgardo.
;D Jebet.com -------$10388.00
I'm enjoying this!
Jakkalsdraai
Thank you Jakkalsdraai
That was very enlightening. Do you have a link to your splits system.
Sam
Hi Sam, ;)
It's basically a system that developed from my corner system along time ago but we never took it further. (Somewhere way back on this forum) recently also shown in Spinout's post under "full systems" "Split Stop and wait system. I'm not in any way copying him and taking the praise. I'm just saying that we have played with there specific numbers before. Wish I could remember the specific member who started playing with them. Now although We have fooled around with the corners system and played a bit around with these splits, it was only after Spinout's post that I really looked into these numbers again. He uses the same numbers as me or vica versa I use the same numbers as him! We do play it differently though. Go and read his post for his version.
The way I play it is I wait for one of the splits to show. That is the trigger, then I bet these splits, like the reverse numbers, for 4 spins increasing each split with 1 C per spin until a win. Stop on a win and wait for new trigger.
The split numbers are: 3/6 7/10 15/18 19/22 27/30 31/34
Together with the reverse numbers I think they work pretty well. Obviously you won't win every hand. I have been able to recover any losses successfully though and profit eventually. Ed's numbers were really unbelievable! I would of had a big party after playing those numbers in a Casino. I have had 8 out of the last 10 numbers showing reverse numbers though before. Definately alot of potential here.
Cheers mate
Jakkalsdraai
;D - Jebet - $11669.00
Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai
QuoteYes Bloome, ;)
That is correct. So if you'd bet $5 Cips (What I've been doing) You'd get $5,$10,$15,$20 per number. Stop on a loss and look for trigger again.
Cheers Mate :thumbsup:
Jakkalsdraai
So if you are playing $5 chips on reverse numbers that is $5 x 12 reverse #s= $60
and splits would be $5 x6 split groups = $30?
Also, what is the payout in each case, Is it as follows:
the payout for the reverse numbers is $5 x 35 payout = $175 - $60= $115 profit for reverse num. bet
the payout for the split number groups is $5 x 17 payout = $90 - $30= $60 profit for split num. bet
Hey Bloome that's correct.
Cheers
jakkalsdraai
Cool Thanks.i think with this system, if a player only has a bankroll of $500, then they should start off with $1 or $.50cent chip bet....i think I am ready to test this system. .So, whats the latest on your fun play
Hey Bloome,
haven't played today. Still $11669.00
Good luck though with your play. Keep me posted.
Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai
:o Oeps! Ok guys had my first serious loss. Changed tables but didn't help.
Lost eventually from 11669 down to 9500. :-[ :'( There I decided to pack it in. I'll try tomorrow again. :-/The wheel today would hit one reverse number and not hit again for more than 7/8 spins. Same with the splits. So I guess the wheel have to be pretty well qualified before play starts. When they do hit they hit!
Cheers! ;)
Jakkalsdraai
Jak
This may be a tough question for me to ask properly, so bear with me.
Suppose you're betting the reversing numbers. Here's what you have:
0
6
19
21 <----a trigger because it could be come 12.
5
8
23 <---a winner.
At this point you began searching for a new trigger. Suppose I had just walked in where the 8 was just being paid and the puck was sitting on 8. Would not 23 be a trigger for me? If no, why? If yes, why is it not also a trigger for you? If I considered 23 my trigger and you waited for a trigger, it would be my winner so, in effect, we would be playing leapfrog.
I do not know you, but I have long touted the theory of "new eyes" on the marquee. If the new player can play your system and you can't doesn't that send up a flag.
You understand this is not a criticism; I am just trying to be clear.
TCS
Your personal permanence in this test, starting at zero, since it is the first number testeastes.
As far as your question, you answer that does not begin to check since 23, as well has no validity testing.
What we have to keep doing is to continue with the same permanence, to find a new trigger.
A cordial greeting, Edgardo
Hi Sam,
Regarding your question. Yes I have thought about it alot. If you should read the thread from the start you would of seen that I myself said that this is in the beginning stages and that the system is still to be molded. I stated that any help or suggestion would be welcome as well as testing by others.
OK, the way I see it is that you will not win every hand, to tell you the truth I actually had a pretty bad day at it in total! This however won't deter me from trying again. Yes, we could be leap frogging each other. There will be a point where you will loose, if not the very first 4 spins. That's cool though cause now you'll look for a new trigger and this will be the same as the person who didn't loose. So now you won't be leap frogging. Obviously if the table produces reverse numbers before every 4 spins (Seen that) then we will be leap frogging each other but who the hell cares! We'll both be winning! The way I see it (and I have mentioned it before in this thread) it will be better and smarter to first qualify a table. By this obviously I mean virtual play as you Sam I'm sure will be familiar with. You will quickly enough pick up the sets (almost like surfing). If a table doesn't look particularly beneficial looking at the result board, move tables.
OK now this I do not understand Sam. What do yo mean by :"I do not Know you, but I have long touted the theory of "new eyes" on the marquis. If the new player can ply your system and you can't doesn't that send up a flag.
Please explain
Regarding your question about the leap frogging, no hard feelings as that was one of the first question I asked myself.
Cheers
Jakkalsdraai
I am working to think of the best example of new eyes on the marquee. I will git 'er done.
Jakkalsdraai
Considering the reverse numbers, you count 10, 20 and 30 in your betting schemes. Why do you not consider 01, 02 and 03 to be in the mix?
Maybe I don't understand what a "reverse number" is.
S
Jakkalsdraai, i did a test from from the WestSpiel Casino archive. I first checked table 8 on 4/1, but it was moving slowly and didnt qualify so, i will to table 8 on 4/5/08. in the first 10 spins the reverse numbers were hitting very well, but the splits were a little slow. But i decided to go for it in a 98 spin session. playing $1 chips. The reverse had 15 opps with 12 w and 3 losses, giving it a -18 unit result. The split had almost equal opps. with a 14 opps. A record of 12 w and 2 losses, giving the splits a +25 units. overall a +7 unit return. hopefully, I calculated this session correctly. The only thing not factor throughout this process is the 3 or 4 in 10, but im not sure it mattered in this result. i did qualify the reverse numbers upfront. hmm is +7 is positive. Is there someway to improve my results here.
See results below. Sorry this chart didnt lined very well.
WestSpiel Casino
Session1 Table 8 4/5/2008
Spin# Number Reverse W/L Split W/L Total Units
1..... 16..................... l...................... l
2..... 25..................... l...................... l
3..... 32..................... W...................... l
4..... 29..................... l...................... l
5..... 30..................... w...................... w
6..... 12..................... w...................... l
7..... 27..................... qualify................. w
8..... 27..................... l...................... qualify
9..... 20..................... trigger................. l
10..... 5..... 1.............. l.... -12............. l
11..... 21..... 2.............. w.... 46............. l
12..... 21..................... trigger................. l
13..... 0..... 1.............. l.... -12............. l
14..... 6..... 2.............. l.... -24............. trigger
15..... 33..... 3.............. w.... 69.... 1............... l...... -6
16..... 29..... ........2.......................l...... -12
17..... 24..... ........3............... l...... -18
18..... 3..... ........4................ w...... 44
19..... 2.....
20..... 16.....
21..... 9.....
22..... 0.....
23..... 26.....
24..... 25.....
25..... 35.....
26..... 2.....
27..... 16.....
28..... 29.....
29..... 2.....
30..... 8.....
31..... 23............. trigger
32..... 5..... 1...... l...... -12
33..... 5..... 2...... l...... -24
34..... 17..... 3...... l...... -36
35..... 9..... 4...... l...... -48
36..... 18...................... Trigger
37..... 6............................. 1...................... w 11
38..... 29.....
39..... 12............. trigger
40..... 26..... 1...... l...... -12
41..... 32..... 2...... w...... 46
42..... 8.....
43..... 7............. Trigger
44..... 12............. trigger 1............... l -6
45..... 23..... 1...... w...... 23...... 2............... l -12
46..... 6.............. 3............... w 33
47..... 7...... trigger
48..... 34............. 1............... w 11
49..... 33............. trigger
50..... 15..... 1...... l...... -12 trigger
51..... 16..... 2...... l...... -24 ........1............... l -6
52..... 35..... 3...... l...... -36 ........2 ................l -12
53..... 12..... 4...... w...... 92 ........3 ................l -18
54..... 36..... ........4 ................l -24
55..... 28.....
56..... 31..... trigger trigger
57..... 3..... 1...... l...... -12 ........1...................... w 11
58..... 31..... 2...... w...... 46 trigger
59..... 22..... ........trigger.. 1............... w 11
60..... 19..... 1...... l -12 trigger
61..... 9..... 2...... l -24..... 1............... l -6
62..... 27..... 3...... l -36...... 2............... w 22
63..... 23..... 4...... w 92
64..... 20..... ........trigger
65..... 12..... 1...... w 23
66..... 26.....
67..... 1.....
68..... 31..... ........trigger trigger
69..... 2..... 1...... l -12........... 1................... l -6
70..... 6..... 2...... l -24...... 2............... w 22
71..... 23..... 3...... w 69
72..... 1.....
73..... 22..... ........trigger trigger
74..... 34..... 1...... l -12...... 1............... w 11
75..... 11..... 2...... w 46
76..... 18..... trigger
77..... 32..... ........trigger........ 1............... l -6
78..... 29..... 1...... l -12............ 2............... l -12
79..... 12..... 2...... w 46 3 l -18
80..... 0..... 4 l -24
81..... 0.....
82..... 31..... ........trigger trigger
83..... 17..... 1...... l -12...... 1............... l -6
84..... 35..... 2...... l -24......... 2............... l -12
85..... 16..... 3...... l -36...... 3............... l -18
86..... 31..... 4...... w 92....... 4............... w 44
87..... 21..... ........trigger
88..... 26..... 1...... l -12
89..... 36..... 2...... l -24
90..... 15..... 3...... l -36 trigger
91..... 8..... 4...... l -48....... 1............... l -6
92..... 6..... ........2............... w 22
93..... 15..... trigger
94..... 30..... ........trigger 1 ................w 11
95..... 36..... 1...... l -12
96..... 0..... 2...... l -24
97..... 9..... 3...... l -36
98..... 17..... 4...... l -48
99
100
12W & 3L -18u 12w & 2L 25u 7units
Session1 Table 8 4/5/2008
Spin# Number Reverse W/L Split W/L Total Units
1..... 16
2..... 25
3..... 32
4..... 29
5..... 30
6..... 12
7..... 27
8..... 27
9..... 20 reverse trigger
10..... 5 No win
11..... 21 Win = +36 C (2C x 36 = 72. Then 72-36 = 36)
12..... 21 reverse trigger
13..... 0 No win 1C
14..... 6 No win 2C Trigger for splits
15..... 33 Win = +36C (3C x 36 = 108 - 72 = 36 )
No win on splits next bet 2 C
16..... 29 No win on splits next bet 3 C
17..... 24 No win on splits next bet 4C
18..... 3 Win on Splits 4C x 18 = +12 C (72 - 60=12)
19..... 2
20..... 16
21..... 9
22..... 0
23..... 26
24..... 25
25..... 35
26..... 2
27..... 16
28..... 29
29..... 2
30..... 8
31..... 23 Trigger for reverse
32..... 5
33..... 5
34..... 17
35..... 9 OK here we have a loss so that will be -120C
36..... 18 Tigger for splits
37..... 6 Hit on Spilts + 12
38..... 29
39..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
40..... 26 No win add C
41..... 32 Win Reverse + 48C
42..... 8
43..... 7
44..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
45..... 23 Win Reverse +24
46..... 6 Trigger for splits
47..... 7 No win add C
48..... 34 Win on splits +18C
49..... 33 Trigger for Reverse
50..... 15 No win - add C
Trigger splits
51..... 16 No win - add C on both reverse and split
52..... 35 No win - add C on both reverse and split
53..... 12 Win on Reverse + 24 C No win on split
54..... 36 Loose on split - 60 C
55..... 28
56..... 31 Trigger reverse & split
57..... 3 Win on Split + 12 C
Add C for reverse
58..... 31 Win on reverse +36 C
Trigger splits
59..... 22 Win on splits +12 C
60..... 19 Trigger splits
61..... 9 Add C for splits
62..... 27 Win on splits +18 C
63..... 23 Trigger Reverse
64..... 20 Win on reverse + 24 C
65..... 12 Trigger reverse
66..... 26 No win add C
67..... 1 No Win add C
68..... 31 Win on reverse +36C
Trigger for splits
69..... 2 No win
70..... 6 Win on splits + 18C
71..... 23 Trigger for reverse
72..... 1 No win
73..... 22 Win +36C
Trigger for splits
74..... 34 Win +12C
75..... 11 Trigger for reverse
76..... 18 Trigger for splits but add 1 C for reverse
77..... 32 Reverse wins +18C
78..... 29 No win
79..... 12 Tigger for reverse No win Split
80..... 0 Splits Loose -60C
81..... 0 No win reverse
82..... 31 Reverse wins +36 C Splits trigger
83..... 17 No win
84..... 35 No win
85..... 16 No win
86..... 31 Splits win +12 C Reverse numbers triggered
87..... 21 Reverse hits +24 C
88..... 26
89..... 36
90..... 15 Splits trigger
91..... 8
92..... 6 splits hit +18C
93..... 15 Splits trigger
94..... 30 Splits hit +18C Reverse triggers
95..... 36
96..... 0
97..... 9
98..... 17 Reverse loose -120
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For a 180 Chip profit. So if it was $5 then that would be $900 profit.
Hope you understand Bloome.
@ Twocatsam, reason why 1,2,3 are not reverse numbers are because the zero in front of the number has no value. only the 1,2,3 has value. For instance 01,001,0001,00001 all have the same value so 0=0 here. if the zero is behind a number it has value. for instance, 10,100,1000,10000
BTW Twocat, why are you gunning for me? It's clear that you are trying your best to find that question that I will not be able to answer. I do not understand the motivation behind it. I'm posting this system so that we can all together test this system and try and better it where possible, hopefully to profit from it in the future.
Sometimes it feels like some people only join forums to be controversial. I just don't understand it.
Twocat, if you want to be part of this and help, you are more than welcome, if not and your mission is to try and discredit me, you are not welcome. Please find another thread where this kind of thing is welcomed.
Initially I did excellent with this system. Now I've had one or two losses. Edgardo and Bloome's numbers they posted also showed the potential of this system. Why not actually do testing (with a positive attitude) and help us improve. Your suggestions will be appreciated.
Cheers
Jakkalsdraai
Thanks Jakkalsdraai, for working this out for me, I saw my error was in the payout amount for a split and reverse, however, i think you missed some of the triggers, see below, along with my recalculated results:
spin 20 #26= -12
spin 43 #7 is a trigger split, then spin 44= -6 and spin 45= -12
At this point all your trigger splits are off
spin 59 #22 is also a reverse trigger, therefore from this point
the rest of the reverse results are off.
Now after correcting some of my errors, its looks like the reverse is +12 Chips and Splits are +48 chips
and total = +60 chips, not 180 Chips. If I am correct +60 Chips for 98 spins is still pretty decent.
Am I correct?
Hey Bloome,
when you played did you add a Chip to each number for every spin up to 4 spins?
Reverse numbers:
1st spin - 12units (1unit per numbers)
2nd spin - 24units (2units per number)
3rd spin - 36units (3units per number)
4th spin - 48units (4units per number)
Splits:
1st spin - 6units (1 unit per split)
2nd spin - 12units (2 units per split)
3rd spin - 18units (3 units per split)
4th spin - 24units (4 units per split)
Also remember that these two systems must be played as seperate entities as if the other do not exist. That means you might end up with the scenario that you have chips on the 31/34 split and on the 31 (reverse). So if 31 hits you profit from both plays.
I do not understand how you got -18units for reverse numbers. You will see I got altogether 180Units profit (reverse and split)
Compare yours to mine and see where it went wrong. Hope I didn't make a mistake, cause I had to breeze through it!.
Cheers and good luck my friend.
Jakkalsdraai
PS. Well done with changing tables and qualifying this one. It worked well.
I'll check quickly
yes thanks, i think i have the understanding of number units +/- down and the concept to treat the split and reverse separate and that there are possibilities double wins.
Below were the spins from the previous table which i though did not qualify at that point and decided to move on to the recorded session ive listed:
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34
9
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29
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12
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34
1..... 16
2..... 25
3..... 32
4..... 29
5..... 30
6..... 12
7..... 27
8..... 27
9..... 20 reverse trigger
10..... 5 No win
11..... 21 Win = +36 C (2C x 36 = 72. Then 72-36 = 36)
12..... 21 reverse trigger
13..... 0 No win 1C
14..... 6 No win 2C Trigger for splits
15..... 33 Win = +36C (3C x 36 = 108 - 72 = 36 )
No win on splits next bet 2 C
16..... 29 No win on splits next bet 3 C
17..... 24 No win on splits next bet 4C
18..... 3 Win on Splits 4C x 18 = +12 C (72 - 60=12)
19..... 2
20..... 16
21..... 9
22..... 0
23..... 26
24..... 25
25..... 35
26..... 2
27..... 16
28..... 29
29..... 2
30..... 8
31..... 23 Trigger for reverse
32..... 5
33..... 5
34..... 17
35..... 9 OK here we have a loss so that will be -120C
36..... 18 Tigger for splits
37..... 6 Hit on Spilts + 12
38..... 29
39..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
40..... 26 No win add C
41..... 32 Win Reverse + 36C
42..... 8
43..... 7
44..... 12 Trigger for Reverse
45..... 23 Win Reverse +24
46..... 6 Trigger for splits
47..... 7 Win on splits +12C
48..... 34 Trigger splits
49..... 33 Trigger for Reverse
50..... 15 Win on splits +18C
51..... 16 No win - add C on both reverse and split
52..... 35 No win - add C on both reverse and split
53..... 12 Win on Reverse + 24 C
54..... 36
55..... 28
56..... 31 Trigger reverse & split
57..... 3 Win on Split + 12 C
Add C for reverse
58..... 31 Win on reverse +36 C
Trigger splits
59..... 22 Win on splits +12 C & trigger reverse
60..... 19 Trigger splits
61..... 9 Add C for splits
62..... 27 Win on splits +18 C
63..... 23 Win on Reverse +24 C
64..... 20 Trigger reverse
65..... 12 Win reverse + 24 C
66..... 26 No win
67..... 1 No Win
68..... 31 Trigger reverse
Trigger for splits
69..... 2 No win
70..... 6 Win on splits + 18C
71..... 23 Win for reverse +36 C
72..... 1
73..... 22 Trigger reverse and splits
74..... 34 Win +12C - splits
75..... 11 Win for reverse +36 C
76..... 18 Trigger for splits
77..... 32 Trigger for reverse
78..... 29 No win
79..... 12 Reverse wins +36 C
80..... 0 Splits Loose -60C
81..... 0
82..... 31 Trigger for reverse and splits
83..... 17 No win
84..... 35 No win
85..... 16 No win
86..... 31 Splits win +12 C
Reverse wins +24 C
87..... 21 Reverse triggers
88..... 26
89..... 36
90..... 15 Splits trigger
91..... 8 Reverse looses -120 C
92..... 6 splits hit +18C
93..... 15 Splits trigger
94..... 30 Splits hit +18C Reverse triggers
95..... 36
96..... 0
97..... 9
98..... 17 Reverse loose -120
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OK Now I get 126 Units or Chips. So x The Chip value you are playing.
Yes not to bad at all.
Easy to make a mistake though. Have to keep one's witts!
Thanx and Cheers Mate!
Jakkalsdraai
PS. Well done again with qualifying the table correctly.
Have to go work now Mate. :(
Will reply this evening to your posts. :thumbsup:
You can re-check my calculations. Hopefully they are more accurate now! :-[
Cheers Mate, ;)
Till later
Jakkalsdraai ;D
okay, im going to bed. i think the calculations on the reverse is correct, however, we missed the split trigger, i spoke about previously on spin 43, which is #7, that will give us an additional loss for the splits later in the session.
Agreed.
There is though 2 wins inbetween that must be added to splits. So the loss will be a bit less +30 and the loss -60 so altogether -30C
Take the +126C - 30C = 96 Chips.
Still not bad at all. Waht do you think? Potential?
Cheers Mate, have a good rest.
Jakkalsdraai
Jakkalsdraai
Sorry to have offended you. I will not ask you any more questions.
I did not just "come on this forum" as you put it. I was one of the first three here. Victor, Lanky and myself......long before you showed up. I merely took some personal time off.
As to the question of why I do not test and post, I learned a long time ago it is useless to test a system over thousands of spins and then learn you were doing it wrong. That is why I questioned Clothdog on his Root system. Did I not post, with great specificity, those great results??
Brother, if I feel a system has merit, I will devote hundreds of hours to it. I tested one over 7,000 spins at CasinoWebCam. Had I not felt your system had some merit, I would never have given it a second thought.
As to trying to tear something down, consider this: When you postulate a theory, do you not want people to do their best to prove you wrong. Hell, man, it's win-win!! If they prove you wrong, you don't lose at the table. If they prove you right, it strengthens your position! Only a person without the strength of his convictions will bristle when someone challenges him.
Again, I meant no offense; I was merely trying to learn.
Sam
Ok, Jakkalsdraai and Sam, i hope we can chalk this one up as a little written misunderstanding and progress on through this excellent thread. I think both of you are excellent people. Sam, I also, had a difficult time understanding your original question. However, misunderstanding do occur within written explainations using international cultural and languages differences. I will not respond further on this matter, but just to say, please shake hands, all the best and good luck.
Bloom
;) Thanks Bloome,
Yes, sorry for my temper TCS. Point taken. :-[
I most probably posted this thread in the wrong section. Should of most probably been posted in the Brainstorming section. Reason being I think most people assume (and correctly so) that if a system is posted here it is a completed one. My intentions were purely to take something I noticed one day in the casino and play around with it (reverse numbers). When I added the splits I sort of started to see a possibility for a system. Anyone reading the thread from the top will notice that I have changed ideas as we went on. It started with the reverse numbers and the 1-9 numerology numbers. Then changed it to splits. I also said that to know when to play the reverse numbers one should look at the avarages on the results board. I changed that as well to using a trigger system as with the splits. So eventually now we have some sort of a system nailed together.
I'm sorry if I over reacted TCS but the idea was that all here involved should test together and find the best way forward concerning this system. I mentioned that this is in it's molding phase. It is there to be formed until we or most of us are happy.
It felt to me like you were putting me up on a pedestal and were throwing stones. Yes I know you have been around a long time and I do not dispute that you know alot about roulette, yes most probably more than most. I do not mind criticism of my system if I did have a completed one with half of the credentials of CD's Root system! I would be more than happy to take criticism because I would know that it works. ;D (Great system CD!) :thumbsup: Like I have said, TCS, if there is any suggestions that you want to add now or in the future, you are more than welcome (I mean this with genuine sincerity). ;)
As for the system. That is about it from me at this stage. I do not currently have anything left to add. :-/I will however post if any so-called bright spark hits (only happens about twice a year...and I already had one! :o) I will be more than happy to try and help any member that wants to get up to speed with this system or any member who wants help with results analyzed with this system. I will also be more than happy to participate further if anyone puts a different idea or angle or spin on this system. In other words it stays open for discussion and testing.
I will continue to post results as well. I am experimenting with playing CD's root system together with the reverse and split system.
Yes I know and I promise I won't screw up CD's sytem! hahahaha! ;D
hahahaha Sorry CD!
Cheers All!!
Jakkalsdraai
bloom
What we have here is a universal question. It has been brought up on the Six Sector system of Diarmaid's on the other forum
Suppose you use the old Chippo system, somewhat modified, as Diarmaid is using it. We watch for three sectors to hit out of the last six spins. This becomes the "hot" sector. A sector is six numbers adjacent to each other on the wheel, not the board. So we have this:
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3
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3
We have three sectors come in the last six spins: the third sector. We begin betting for six spins that the third sector will appear again. The dealer spins and hits sector 1, a loss. He spins again and hits sector 4, my second loss. Again and he hits the 4, my third loss. I still have three spins to go in my progression. The last six sectors now look like this
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3
3
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4
Now, if you sat down, applied the rule of looking at the last six sectors, you would bet on sector 4, would you not. I am on 3, you are on 4; who is right? Who is betting the hot sector? Do we have two hot sectors?
These are questions which can be swept under the rug while testing, but will tear you up when betting. They must be answered, to my way of thinking, before you begin risking money.
Now, consider my question to Jakkalsdraai:
Jakkalsdraai
Considering the reverse numbers, you count 10, 20 and 30 in your betting schemes. Why do you not consider 01, 02 and 03 to be in the mix?
Maybe I don't understand what a "reverse number" is.
S
Notice I said I might not understand what a reverse number is?
So, what is it? 23 reverses to 32 21 to 12 32 to 23 and so on and so on. Jakkalsdraai clearly bets on the 10 as is illustrated in his post:
"10 > Reverse numbers win! I win!!!! Wait for trigger for reverse numbers."
So if 32 is the reverse of 23, what is the reverse of 10? If 13 is the reverse of 31, what is the reverse of 10? If you flip it backwards, it's 01 and that was my question. 10, 20 and 30 are clearly named in his list of reverse numbers. What are their reverses?
To me it is a simple, logical question.
Sam
Ahhhh! ok Sam, thanks for the clarification. Well, I think in answer to all your questions in the context of this thread, since as Jakk states in not set in stone, let make a few decisions on these questions, and test the perspective change and then evaluate the result. If it were me, I prefer to keep the numbers the same for this system and either play both hot sectors as separate games, just like the reverse and splits, or if pre-qualifying the table and it is not splitting out the hot sectors or the reverse numbers, then I would play the remaining 24 numbers systems instead to a certain stop win level.
Hi Guys
I;ve been following this thread with some interest and been doing some testing on my own numbers. I did a test on 679 numbers, all taken in order from the one table and came up with a -1079 unit result playing both reverse and split. I thought maybe I had missed something, but I confirmed with the posted number test I was playing the same way as you guys.
I still think there is merit here, though. I decided to strip the idea back to absolute basics and focus on just the reverse numbers to start. Over the same numbers, I charted a simple wL with the following rules:
1. After a trigger of a reverse number play all reverse numbers for four spins, or until a win
2. Treat a winning reverse number as another trigger
The result was +144 units flat betting.
I will post the Lw in another post, but there are a number of things I determined:
1. Reverse numbers appear no more often than their expected values
2. Having three or four reverse numbers on a marquee of 10 - 14 numbers should be no surprise as this is the expected number (around 1/3 considering we are playing 12 out of 37 numbers)
3. Having said all that, these numbers do seem to have an uncanny knack of appearing in clumps.
Point 3 is purely anecdotal as I have nothing to compare it with. I can't say they clump more than numbers with a 2 in them, or the numbers from the last 4 busses that went by, or any other method of choosing numbers.
What I did deduce is that we need to find a good 'get in' point and a good 'get out' point. I'm not convinced that playing 4 after a trigger is the best approach in all circumstances.
So I will post my Lw in thenext post and hope what I have provided is useful.
The Lw ispurely of spins that would have been played, therefore trigger spins are not included.
Just one last point:
I agree with Sam on the 1 2 3 issue. If the assumption is that 10,20 and 30 are reverse numbers, then logically, to me at least, we are indeed giving the 0 a weight that needs to be considered at the other end. Having said that, I am always weary of a system that requires more than twelve numbers played so I am happy to keep the status quo.
Cheers
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OK, I'll try to explain the way I see it. or let me put it this way the way I argued.
According to me 0 has no value on it's own any other number 123456 etc. do have a value. If the zero appears behind a number with value then the zero changes the numbers value as well. For instance 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 etc. if the zero was in front of the number, no change. The value of the number do not get changed. For instance, 01, 001, 0001, 00001 etc. Still stays 1. So maybe these numbers 10, 20, 30 should be classified as disadvantaged reverse numbers (to be political correct!) You see, I can take these numbers and reverse them. I will get other numbers on the roulette wheel. For instance 01,02,03 which in turn is 1,2,3. So let's call them half reverse numbers. because they only reverse halfway. how do you reverse 1,2,3.
Not possible. You see, 1 is 1, 2 is 2, 3 is 3. That is the arguement I had behind the selection of the reverse numbers...or should I say half reverse numbers! :D :)
Hi "I Wonder", yes regarding the results you got from the systems on the one wheel. Bloome and myself have decided that wheel selection and qualification is very, very important. It may work today on a specific wheel, tomorrow not. So by virtual play and qualifying a table, I believe you will have much better results. Also I have noticed sometimes that a wheel can qualify only for reverse and not splits or the other way round. Usually though I think they should qualify together because of overlapping numbers (10,22,30,31) So if they feature in the reverse setup your splits will feature too.
Thanks for your participation.
Cheers!
Jakkalsdraai
Hi Jakkalsdraai
So what qualification are you using?
Basically I play in virtual mode for a couple of spins and see how it pans out. You can for qualificatin purposes look at previous results as well and qualify from that. If you see that a specific table shows vey little reverse numbers 2 and less I wouldn't play. Rather watch a while or return later. Haven't checked it yet but they form patterns as well.
Cheers
Jakkalsdraai
"Starting with reverse numbers. Most of you will know them but for those who do not here they are. 10,11,12,13,20,21,22,23,30,31,32,33. Reason why they are called reverse numbers are because you can turn them around and get another number on the roulette wheel. Double numbers (11,22,33) also qualify as reverse numbers for obvious reasons." FROM POST ONE OF THIS THREAD
First, I take issue with turning an 11 around and calling it another number; it's still and 11 anyway your slice it. If you spell Bob's name backward, what do you get? Hello, Bob!
But my real argument is this: "they are called reverse numbers are because you can turn them around and get another number on the roulette wheel." I am asking a plain and simple question? What do you get when your turn 10, 20 and 30 around on the roulette wheel.??
The reverse number idea does have some merit. Long before I heard of Jakkalsdraii I read of this phenomenon and studied it some back then. However, they author used numbers which truly could be turned around. 23 for example becomes 32. If memory serves me right, he called it the "Doppelganger" system.
The really big question is why don't we use 14 as a reverse number. Well, theres no 41. So why use 10? Many places I put in my birthday calls for 01/..... My credit card expiry date is 0/11 and so forth. While zero truly has no value when placed left of the decimal point, it is, nevertheless, a place-holder.
IDEA!!
I will try this with my repeater number plan. If a number repeats within five spins (21 x x x 21) play for repeaters. There can be no more than 3 numbers between the repeaters. Play until you can see no repeaters within a ten-spin window and within five spins of each other. If you get this: 3 x x x 3, you have a new trigger. One more x and you don't. Now, substitute reverse-ers for repeaters and you got it.
TwoCatSam
OK, it's clear TCS is the man.
but when accordind to me if you turn 1 around you get 1. Oh wait let's see 01 should be 10! AAhhh! now I get it...but wait isn't 001 a hundred. mmmmmmmmm! so if you see a 1,2,3 how do you know how many zeroes are in front of it...or placeholders that is. Beats the shit out of me! so how can we turn 1 around, cause effectively it could be 100, 1000, 10000 mmmmm!
Reason why 11,22,33 are reverse numbers are, yes you guessed it, you can reverse them and yes it does give the same number but it is reversable. Sorry that my exact words didn't describe it as so. Oh yes if you reverse "Bob" you get "Bob" not "hello Bob"
Anyway whatever. I'm getting sick of arguing with someone about something as trivial as that! If you want to add 1,2,3 for your purposes, please be my guest! As far as the system goes, it's a damn pity you didn't mention before that you've seen this somewhere else a long long long time ago. You could of saved us alot of time and enlightened us with original Doppelganger or whatever it was called. Maybe you can post a link or something. If you think I should have respect for you TCS because you've started this forum together with Vic and Lanky, sorry Mate. Respect is earned. Lanky and Vic I respect. CD, Ronjo, Kimo Li, Matty and the like I respect. All of them excellent roulette players but just as important , excellent people! You however have not got my respect as you obviously do not respect me. It is clear to me that we are not compatable which really does not bother me in the least. All that this means is avoiding each other, cool with me.
Jakkalsdraai
Hi Jakkalsdraai,
You are wrong on this one mate. TwoCatSam is right and the reverse numbers from 10.20.30. are 1.2.3. Of course it is not important because you use the numbers you choose for your system. Here you can read about reverse numbers.
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inverse or vertibili of the 36 numbers
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Inverse or vertibili of the 36 numbers of the roulette
The table me has been demanded in a comment of the 25.4.2007 from Gianni
numbers of roulette the 1. 2. 3 . 4 . 5. 6. 7. 8 9.
vertibili 10.20.30.40.50.60.70.80.90
numbers of roulette10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18
the vertibili 1.19.21.31.41.51.61.71.81
numbers of roulette19.20.21.22.23.24.25.26.27
the vertibili 11. 2. 12.29.32.42.52.62.72
numbers of roulette 28.29.30.31.32.33.34.35.36
vertibili 82.22.3.13.23.39.43.53.63
hour all the inverse numbers that exceed the number base 36 go to it embezzled,
therefore it is embezzled
39-36 =3
40-36 =4 50-36 =14 60-36 =24 70-36 =34 80-36 = 44 (44-36) =8 and 44-18 =26
42-36 =6 52-36 =16 62-36 =26 72-36 =36 82-36 =46 (46-36) =10 and 46-18 =28
43-36 = 7 53-36 =17 63-36 =27
the zero that form 37esimo the number care the roulette French and double quantity zero that forms 38esimo the number of the roulette American is inserted in the diagram in hidden shape therefore nobody it will be able at the moment to see. And however the zero exist and have a determining value in the game .
A council for Gianni and all the customers : printed publication and conserved this table
a day you will return profit when I reveal the value of the zero and as the zero generate the events and the combinations , repeating the same events and the same combinations in two hours approximately of effective game
Good reading
Hi Alpha,
My argument is that I agree that 123 are the reverse of 10,20,30. But because they cannot reverse themselves (123) I did not include them (123) 10,20,30 I did include. Maybe I shouldn't of called them reverse numbers, just my numbers. That alone would of settled some differences. Unfortunately TCS goes beyond that and I have nothing further to say to him. Not everybody can like everybody. I'm fine with that.
Jakkalsdraai
Actually I'm also finished with this post, as TCS knows more about this way of play and can be of more assistance than me.
Jakkalsdraai
I see both sides of fence, and for the purpose of common ground, it would be practical to call them numbers rather than reverse and hopefully TCS can post his repeaters samples and system modification on a new thread as a suggestion. or call them "galaxy numbers" ...lol ;D
Also, TCS if you decide to test this system with additional numbers you are proposing, i would be interested in your results.
I personally dont want to get lockstepped on the concept....rather how do i profit......that's my business.
Jakkalsdraai, I am personally still interested in your progress on this system as i am still testing it with positive results. Whether you post here on PM is fine by me.
Personally, though i still think you can add more value to all of us with your input on this system.
Look for it under completed systems.
"If you think I should have respect for you TCS because you've started this forum together with Vic and Lanky, sorry Mate."
Out of respect for Victor and the truth, I simply cannot let that statement be published without a rebuttal. I have never, at any time on any forum claimed to have started this forum. I was just one of the first here; Victor L. Senior started this by himself.
I will not apologize for asking a simple question which was never answered, by the way.
We never learn from people who agree with us. Until some joker somewhere says, "Now, wait a minute....." the learning process never begins. Sometimes that trickster is the roulette wheel showing us it can hit twenty reds in a row!!
Sam
Hi Alfa Street,
You say that the zero's are very important. But there are not much zero's are there?
Unless, you count 10, 20, 30 and 19 and 28 as zero's. Otherwise you only have the 0 as zero. As it doesn't always show i'am intrested how it can play then an important role? :o
Carlitos 8-)
Jakkalsdraai
I copied your plan, reverse numbers only, for some free time testing. Tried it the other evening.
I liked the plan for its simplicity, payback and ease of placement if you use streets and splits as well as straight up.
It worked a heck of a lot better on a 00 wheel than it did a 0 wheel when using actuals from casinos. Maybe because of the wheel layout.
Playing it for 4 wasn't ideal.
Playing it for 3 was better sometimes, sometimes not.
Discouraged, I tried one more thing. That is to play it continuously. essentially, up one on a loss and down 2 on a win. Except for several files which were short, each file I played was a winner. I am willing to say right now that I have no doubts based on testing on over 150 actuals that if my target was between 90-100 units and stopping - that is very doable on American wheels. Assuming of course you have the bankroll and are willing to take the risk.
A way for surviving is to not progress until previous winnings have been depleted. That only extends your table time. It doesn't really help you to reach your goal.
I was wondering if you ever tried continuous betting in the manner I outlined?
;)Hi Talesman,
No mate, I haven't tried it that way. Neither have I tried it on the 00 wheel.
Although I haven't played this in a long time cause ultimately I guess it looses in the longterm. I must say though that I still believe this can be utilized in some kind of system, cause they definately hit close to each other. Like I've said I've seen the results board a couple of times with 7-8 out of 10 being reverse numbers (or what I called reverse numbers). Still believe this could be turned into a successful system. Maybe just not my way.
This system was originally posted a long time ago by myself. Because you have brought it up now (no problem for doing so mate!) some members might read the disagreement between myself and TCS. I just want to clear the air and say that I was too quick on my high horse so please ignore that. Really my first attempt at a proper system (all testing done manually as well lolol-pen and paper) So I wrongly didn't appreciate TCS's comments and took them the wrong way.
Anyhow, I would be interested in any further development and improvements from here on by any member on this system.
Cheers
Jakk
Jakk
I'm good! I'm a hard-headed ol' fart and sometimes I come across wrong. As with the 1 vs 3 crossings with winkel.
NOW....believe it or don't....I've been doing a random study of the reverse numbers and here's what I'm thinking.
When 23 comes, bet on 32 for ten spins. If it comes within ten, bet on 23 for ten spins and so on. If you don't get a winner in ten spins, stop on that number. You could be betting three numbers at once.
A single number progression could carry you far before you tanked.
It is a very interesting phenomenon. Another is when a double, 4 7 23 23...bet the 23 for ten spins. I kept books on this with real money and I know it works.
I sometimes think it's the regularity that works; nothing else. Like this: When 1 follows 34, bet the 1 ten spins. Do it every time.
Anyway, I'm still looking at it daily!
Sam
;) Very interesting look on things Sam.
I'll have a look at it for sure.
Cheers mate
Jakk