Hello
Suppose you have this happen:
123
469
123 <-----OK, here I would start to bet for a 123 minus the root containing the number that just hit.
469 <-----What do we do here? Bet for both 123 and 469?
This was one of the first things that I encountered.
As to the zero, are you saying include the zero in your betting, but do not consider it a root as you would any other number?
TwoCatSam
(Just like Fox, I'm fair and balanced!! LOL)
Sam,
I don't understand your question. Give me an example with real spins.
cd
Clothdog
10<----Group 123
4 <----Group 469
20<----Group 123 <----At this point your bet is on Group 123 minus the Root in which number 20 fell. Your bet is on numbers 1, 10 19 28 and 3, 12, 21 and 30. Either that is correct or it isn't.
Now comes group 469 again and it looks like this:
10<----Group 123
4 <----Group 469
20<----Group 123
9 <----Group 469 again.
Now, since group 123 is still being played and group 469 fits your rules, do you also bet on it? Do you bet on both Root Groups?
Sam
Clothdog
No need to answer questions. I was up most of the night doing your system. If I didn't just hit a lucky streak and win a bunch that way, then you are truly on to something.
Scoob, here it is:
Hi Spin,
here is my system:
try this I've been using this at the casino. Did very well thurs nite.
Root Groups:
1=1-10-19-28
2=2-11-20-29
3=3-12-21-30....this is the 1-2-3 Group
4=4-13-22-31
6=6-15-24-33
9=9-18-27-36...this is the 4-6-9- Group
5=5-14-23-32
7=7-16-25-34
8=8-17-26-35..this is the 5-7-8- Group
0-1-2-3..zero is not a root but include that number
4-6-9
5-7-8
When a root group hits within 3 spins, play that group for 4 spins. You
can't have 4 spins. Like 30-17-9-12. You have 30 & 12 both from 1-2-3 group but they are 2 spins apart. Roots can be no more than 1 spin
apart. You play the missing root of the group plus the root of the same
group before that hit. NOT the most recent. You are betting that
doubleroots do not show.
Example
10
24
12....here you play the 1-2-3 group. but you leave out the root 3 because
it just hit and play root 1 and Root 2 so you would play
1-10-19-28-2-11-20-29.
If you get a single number repeater or root repeater( ex, 8-17, 4-13 etc.) switch to that group and play
all 3 roots of the group.
21.....-is from grp-123
31.....-is from grp-469
35.....is from grp-578
28.....-grp-123..too many spins between 21 & 28
9........469........too many spins between 31 & 9
0.......123..OK we have 28 & 0 with 1 spin between. Start play.
7........lose
19......WIN..start over
18.......grp-469
9........-grp-469..play 469
24.......WIN
15.........start over grp 469
14.........grp 578
9............grp 469..play root 4 & 6 leave out root 9 because it just hit
13.......WIN
22.......469
30.......123
25.......578
31........469..2 SPINS BETWEEN 22 & 31 NO GOOD. Can only be 1 spin max
19.........123
7..........578
17..........578.. NOW PLAY 5&7
14.........WIN
Thanks!
CD
Sam
sam,
no I don't but my friend does. when it hits I wait for the next signal. I'm trying my new system which uses less numbers but this principle. I have doubled my br now 3 days in a row within 12 spins. thanks for testing.
cd
Samster,
I'm glad you caught on. There have been a couple of ROOT SUM ideas that CD has been kind enough to share with me, that really have some merit to them. I have had a lot of success utilizing these and whereas there will be a loss or two here and there, for the most part, these work very well.
cps10
clothdog
I will give it a fair shake and see what falls out. I would like to find an image hosting service so I may post my work in my own hand. Any ideas.
Also, I use screen capture software to record all sessions. Should anyone want to see the live presentation, we will work on that. The files are over a G or two long, so I don't know how to get them to anyone.
And, NO, I'm not nearly smart enough to PhotoShop them!!
Sam
Sam,
I have no ideas. I am about as technologically inept as my 18-week niece.
Quotecps10
clothdog
I will give it a fair shake and see what falls out. I would like to find an image hosting service so I may post my work in my own hand. Any ideas.
Also, I use screen capture software to record all sessions. Should anyone want to see the live presentation, we will work on that. The files are over a G or two long, so I don't know how to get them to anyone.
And, NO, I'm not nearly smart enough to PhotoShop them!!
Sam
Hi mate,
You can use Imageshack for hosting images :
nolinks://imageshack.us/
And you can use badongo for free file host of archives (xls,docs, images, etc.) :
nolinks://nolinks.badongo.com/en/
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quotesam,
no I don't but my friend does. when it hits I wait for the next signal. I'm trying my new system which uses less numbers but this principle. I have doubled my br now 3 days in a row within 12 spins. thanks for testing.
cd
Congrads Clothdog!, will list your results, it will help further test your system. Thanks for sharing.
Bloom
I will have to re-read the explanation of the system a few times to understand it! ::)
So once you get a signal you are betting up to 4 times so you are flat betting a group of 8 numbers? Perhaps I'm making it complicated!
Switcher
that's correct. Like I said I have made my own twist to this with a chart playing less numbers which is way more than I have time to explain here. the method I posted works fine. You can probably improve on it. I also found that if the 0 or 00 hit, stop and wait for new signal. I don't know if I posted that. Also notice that the 123 group is actually 4 streets, so you could just wait for a signal for that and play the streets. If a a repeater(of the 123) say number 12 hits twice within 3 spins or a double root (of the 123) 1, 10, hits within 3 spins I would immediately start playing those 4 streets. You can limit your play this way. But of course my rule states you can apply this to any group.
cd
Hello Clothdod,
how many spins did you backtest your system and what kind of bankroll you recommand?
regards
ok, im sure what to do with the zero or double zero. So, if we are betting on group 1-2-3 and the zero shows, do we hit or miss? in other words are betting the 0 with group 1-2-3, ( so if i am betting all 3 roots I include the zero and/or double zero)?
See examples A and B below:
Example A
10
0 g 1-2-3 (play root 2 and 3)
0 is this a hit or miss
Example B
20
4
3 g1-2-3 (play root 1 and 2)
0 is this a hit or miss
Bloom
HEy Bloom. Thats a hit cuz you always incorporate the 0!
Cheers
/Compa
QuoteHEy Bloom. Thats a hit cuz you always incorporate the 0!
Cheers
/Compa
ok, well then depending upon rule/scenario, with group 1-2-3, the player will bet on either 9#s or 13#s, considering that they are playing 2 roots or 3 roots from this group?
Also, another assumption, if player is betting on a double zero wheel, then group 1-2-3 would be 10#s or 14#s to bet, i guess, because 0 and 00 would be part of the same 1-2-3 group?
Also, someone else told me something different:
"In both examples, they are misses unless you are betting the zero specifically. What I understand is that you treat the zero as part of the 123 when tracking, but you don't actually bet it."
Clothdog
Concerning the 0.. Do you consider it a root? What is meant by this: "zero is not a root but include that number."? In the example you give you do use zero as a root: "OK we have 28 and 0 with 1 spin between. Start play."
Are you saying when two numbers from a root, ie 3 and 12 hit, you have a 3-3 and you then bet ONLY the numbers in the three group? 3, 12, 21, and 30 and you do NOT bet the other two roots? I read it to say you include it in the roots and bet all three. I think I see my error.
Thanks for working with me on this.
Sam
Hi Clothdog;
I would like to ask a question. I just wondered why you have arranged the groups as 1-2-3, 4-6-9, and 5-7-8 ?
Could you not use 1-2-3, 4-5-6, 7-8-9 as below ?
I think that you must have some reason for this and just was curious about it.
Root Groups:
1=1-10-19-28
2=2-11-20-29
3=3-12-21-30....this is the 1-2-3 Group
4=4-13-22-31
5=5-14-23-32
6=6-15-24-33....this is the 4-5-6 Group
7=7-16-25-34
8=8-17-26-35
9=9-18-27-36...this is the 7-8-9- Group
Kind Regards;
iggy
Good question, here another approach for groupings:
1,3,5
2,4,6
7,8,9
What about that CD?
I've been working on this for almost a year. I'm not saying this is the grail. You can play this system on any wheel! 0-00 Makes no difference. I've played it on airball(no dealer) and ran a $800 br over $4000.
Actually, why not 1-3-6, 2-4-7, 5-8-9? Make up your own groups? If that were the case I owuld have just said , "make up your own 3 groups and see how you do. You will see roots of 5 follow 7, 9 follow 4 etc.
No, you can't change the groups with my system. There is a reason. these groups will go out and come back like gangbusters. I've been able to pick single numbers by watching these groups over thousands of spins. you can do what you want , no offense mates, but I didn't make those groups up out of thin air.
Sam, I know 0 is not a root but I included it playing 123. I couldn't upload that file to look at it. I use this system but I track a few more numbers@ 5-10. My friend used it with my updated modifications which I have not posted. He played one number straight that I gave him and I picked 3 numbers correct in 5 spins and we walked away with $1500. $15 on each number. The woman at the table couldn't believe it. I wasn't even watching where the ball was falling. I just watched the board. Luck? maybe once, but 3 times? 8-)
cd
Hi Clothdog;
Thank you for the reply. Now I know your logic behind the choice of groups.
Thanks again.
Kind Regards;
iggy
Clothdog
The following is from my previous 2 post on this thread
ok, im sure what to do with the zero or double zero. So, if we are betting on group 1-2-3 and the zero shows, do we hit or miss? in other words are betting the 0 with group 1-2-3, ( so if I am betting all 3 roots I include the zero and/or double zero)?
See examples A and B below:
Example A
10
0 g 1-2-3 (play root 2 and 3)
0 is this a hit or miss
Example B
20
4
3 g1-2-3 (play root 1 and 2)
0 is this a hit or miss
ok, well then depending upon rule/scenario, with group 1-2-3, the player will bet on either 9#s or 13#s, considering that they are playing 2 roots or 3 roots from this group?
Also, another assumption, if player is betting on a double zero wheel, then group 1-2-3 would be 10#s or 14#s to bet, I guess, because 0 and 00 would be part of the same 1-2-3 group?
Also, someone else told me something different:
"In both examples, they are misses unless you are betting the zero specifically. What I understand is that you treat the zero as part of the 123 when tracking, but you don't actually bet it."
Bloom
Clothdog
I am totally convinced your numbers go on fantastic runs. I saw the 5 7 8 Root hit six or more times in a row. I think I pretty much have your idea nailed down and will soon try it with real money at Suite332.com
Thanks for posting this system.
Samster
Great Sam! Good luck! What's interesting is that when you see say the 578 group hit and the 8 group is missing, bet your bottom dollar that either 8-17-26-35 will hit. If you're following the dealer you can narrow it down further. It goes the same with any group. If you get say 3 hits in 5 spins from one group and a root is missing key on that missing root. That's one of the ways I pick single numbers. But there is a little twist to it depending on what numbers show. My update includes playing the end digit of the last number of the root group you are playing. This narrows it down tremendously. I need to test more before I post.
cd
QuoteClothdog
The following is from my previous 2 post on this thread
ok, im sure what to do with the zero or double zero. So, if we are betting on group 1-2-3 and the zero shows, do we hit or miss? in other words are betting the 0 with group 1-2-3, ( so if I am betting all 3 roots I include the zero and/or double zero)?
See examples A and B below:
Example A
10
0 g 1-2-3 (play root 2 and 3)
0 is this a hit or miss ...............WITH 0 I ALWAYS INCLUDE 10-20-30. SO IT WOULD BE A WIN. YOU A HAVE A DOUBLE ROOT HITTING SO YOU PLAY THEM ALL.
Example B
20
4
3 g1-2-3 (play root 1 and 2)
0 is this a hit or miss .IT'S A HIT BECAUSE YOU MUST INCLUDE THE 0. YOU WOULD PLAY 0-10-20 AND LEAVE OUT 30. .
ok, well then depending upon rule/scenario, with group 1-2-3, the player will bet on either 9#s or 13#s, considering that they are playing 2 roots or 3 roots from this group? CORRECT. IT COULD BE 12 #'S IF WITH 469 IF SAY 13-22 HIT BACK TO BACK OR ONE SPIN APART. REMEMBER IT'S DOUBLE ROOT OR REPEATING NUMBER.
Also, another assumption, if player is betting on a double zero wheel, then group 1-2-3 would be 10#s or 14#s to bet, I guess, because 0 and 00 would be part of the same 1-2-3 group? YES. BUT YOU Cn cut your bets by just playing 4 streets 1-10-19-28 and split the 00.
Also, someone else told me something different:
"In both examples, they are misses unless you are betting the zero specifically. What I understand is that you treat the zero as part of the 123 when tracking, but you don't actually bet it." Yes. unless you are betting the zero specifically. if a 10-20-30 pop, you must include the zero, otherwise leave it out.
hope this helps.
cd
Bloom
CD
I will begin looking for three roots to appear within the last five spins and zero in on the missing root.
I may run this as a separate study.
I am not afraid to risk the $10 per number at Riverbelle, but I am afraid of getting lost in my numbers and failing to bet on a number and being shut out. The darn thing nearly always hits!! I must practice more at Dublin.
Sam
Ok Clothdog,
I think I got it! Please confirm Example C, D, E and F
Example C
19
4
3 g1-2-3 (play root 1 and 2), do not incl 0, unless specifically betting on the zero throughout the session
0 This a miss
Example D
12
4
3 g1-2-3 (play root 1, 2 and 3), do not incl 0, unless specifically betting on the zero throughout the session
0 This a miss
Example E
4
3
3 g1-2-3 (play root 1, 2 and 3), do not incl 0, unless specifically betting on the zero throughout the session
0 This a miss
Example F
11
26
20 g1-2-3 (play root 1, 2 and 3), and include 0 with bet
0 This is a hit
Thanks for your help
Quote
Sam, I know 0 is not a root but I included it playing 123.
By my knowlege about numbers, the 0 belong to group 123 because:
0=37 --> 3+7=10 --> 1+0=1 --> group 123Cheers
Excellent work cd :thumbsup:
Many thanks for being kind enough to share..... ;)
Take it easy.....[smiley=beer.gif]
yes alfa that is correct. you are also correct Bloom, If you want to like alfa said include the 0. Like I said this is not etched i stone. I would be more apt to put the 0 in if any one of the numbers were 10-20 or 30. but like I said when you have double roots or repeaters, if a 10-20-30 hit, put in the 0.
cd
Thanks CD!
I just completed a 100 spin testing session, Verdict +192 units. ;D
Hello Clothdod,
how many spins did you backtest your system and what kind of bankroll you recommand?
regards
Sam was absolutely correct when he said he saw these groups hit 5-6x in a row. For instance caught this
this morning at dublinbet approx 10:00am EST
Dealer--Demet
spins
23
2
3
14
7
5
23
35
7
26
17
36
32
10
End at approx 10:20 EST
LOOK AT 578, THATS WHY I PLAY THE GROUPS THE WAY THEY ARE. When I mentioned I took an $800 br to over $4000, I did it playing ONLY 578. In that case I saw the group was hot and played all 12 numbers and kicked butt, like you would have here.
cd
Clothdog,
in regards to your Column system, im trying to test
What is the grouping on the double zero for 0 and 00, it is 0 with column1 and 00 with column 3?
Can you give an example of this rule: "if you have a new group that comes up as you are playing the old one switch to the new group. "
Are you saying, for example, If I am 2 steps into my flat bet on a column group and a new column group qualifies, do I now stop playing the old group and play the new group for the next 2 spins or 4 spins? and if 4 spins, do I increase the progression level insure profit on the hit?