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Title: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 02:26:54 AM
Alright, as most of you know I am a HUGE fan of visually showing you guys systems I play/test.  It has been an enormous hassle for me in the past to do that kind of thing, as I would have to make a screen recording and then upload the video (usually taking up two to three hours to do that).

I have found a significantly easier (and if I may...significantly cooler) way to do this.  It's called LiveStream.  In a nutshell, what that site allows me to do is in LIVE, REAL TIME broadcast my desktop (and whatever I'm doing on it) across the net.

To top it off, whatever sessions I play while broadcasting live, it records directly to their server and places it on my "channels" On-Demand video library.

So, if I have tested a new method or system and you missed me playing it live, you click the On-Demand button at the bottom of the viewing window and select any previous session I have ever played and watch it!

Oh, and it's completely free and you don't have to sign up to watch anything (just making sure you guys knew that so you don't think I'm either an affiliate or trying to boost traffic to their site...it really just saves me a ton of time, and maybe one day if you check it out you'll see me playing live)

I will inform you guys of any testing I intend to do ahead of time if you'd like to see me play (again, this is live so win or lose you guys get to see it.  This leaves no room for me to "fudge the numbers" or "fudge the results" so to speak.  Even if you miss it live, it is recorded directly to their server so I can't edit it in any way.  So again, win or lose, you can see my glory or my downfall)  If you'd like to check it out you can do so here:

nolinks://nolinks.livestream.com/liveroulettefeed 

Oh, and for those of you who are sponsors and read the thread I started in the sponsor's only section, this is in no way related to that.  I will not be doing that on this site.  It will be done from mine directly.

The two sessions that are currently recorded in the On-Demand section of my "channel" are the testing of a new method I'm trying out.  You can read about it in the Gambling Framework section here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/i-have-stopped-fighting-random-idea-in-the-making/

Let me know what you guys think of the idea.  And if you'd like to be informed ahead of time when I will be playing a session let me know.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 02:28:53 AM
Oh, and there is a built in chat module to the right of the viewing window (if you're not watching full screen) so I can talk while I play directly to you guys!

Hope you guys like this idea.  It will make sure that you guys know ahead of time whether or not a system REALLY does work or not.  (at my expense, haha)
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 03:07:46 AM
Oh, and lastly, for those of you suspicous of short roulette videos (as most of my sessions are very short.  I hit a win goal/loss limit and I leave.  In test number two of my new method you'll see I screw up severly at the end of it so I leave)...anyway, back to the point...

For those of you suspicious of short roulette videos (can you believe this post has been up for less than twenty minutes and I got a PM about that already...man....), you'll always be able to verify my BR from the end of the previous video in the beginning of the video following it.  More importantly, I do not win every time.  These are real sessions I'm playing and I take losses just like everbody else in them.

And most importantly, these are shot LIVE...every session recorded is AUTOMATICALLY uploaded WHILE I'M RECORDING to their server.  There is no "human factor" in it.  If I broadcast something live, it ends up on my channel...simple as that.

(There are now a total of 3 tests I have broadcasted live, all of which can be viewed in the On-Demand section of my "channel")
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 29, 2009, 04:17:37 AM
Live challenges would be great :D
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: RPro75 on May 29, 2009, 04:52:26 AM
I think this would be great way for me to display my unbelievable roulette skills and shut up all of the naysayers.  I'm going to broadcast the Grail to the forum and me busting some RNG ass!!
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 05:15:26 AM
For anybody interested (again, not sure if anybody cares about these...) I have just finished another live broadcasted session of me playing.  It is now in the On-Demand section labled "fourth test of following singles and doubles trends"

(I will be posting more about this method soon, it will be in the full systems section)
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 05:58:26 AM
Just wanted to let you guys know that I'll be doing a live broadcasted session tomorrow at around 1:00 pm (eastern time)

I'll be more specific when I wake up tomorrow and see what my schedule is, as soon as I have the set time I will post it here.
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: gingermolloy on May 29, 2009, 08:12:17 AM
Quote from: RPro75 on May 29, 2009, 04:52:26 AM
I think this would be great way for me to display my unbelievable roulette skills and shut up all of the naysayers.  I'm going to broadcast the Grail to the forum and me busting some RNG ass!!

lets see it then!!!!
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 12:17:19 PM
Alright guys, for anybody interested, I will be doing my live broadcast at 12:00pm eastern time (45 minutes from now) instead of 1:00pm
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 12:58:40 PM
Just wanted to let anybody interested know that this test is starting now.  Enjoy!  ( I hope I do, lol)
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: See_Jerek on May 29, 2009, 01:06:07 PM
I am tuning in!
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Breeze88 on May 29, 2009, 01:10:23 PM
nice .. i tune in aswell :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 01:26:24 PM
@Breeze, Jerek, Victor (for when he was there anyway) - Thanks for watching!!!

Just to let everybody who didn't see it know, you can watch it in the On-Demand section of my "channel".  It's under "Fifth Session of Following Singles, Doubles Trends".

The session went VERY well, I only had to go above flat betting once, and that was to two chips on each number (which won).

I'll be doing another in about an hour or so, and when I do, I will (as I did this time) let you guys know.  I don't have a set time yet, as my schedule might change.  But I'll keep you guys informed.

Take care!
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 29, 2009, 01:28:04 PM
Hehe, It is interesting to watch live :D It was nice money for that short time :D
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
Again, for anybody interested, I will be doing my next "live session" promptly at 2:30 PM Eastern Time. 

Anybody have any input on this method, or more importantly, has anybody else tried it?

I'm curious as to what the results acheived were by anybody that has tried this.  Thanks guys (and gals)!
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
Oh, and Victor, I just wanted to let you know that I added a link to your Forum on my "channel".  This way if somebody (by happenstance) comes across my channel that isn't from here, they'll know where to go!
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 02:25:27 PM
Alright, time change for next live session (something came up).  It will now be 4:00 pm Eastern Time (sorry about that).

Scratch the above...unfortunately my schedule has changed again (I'm really sorry about this guys, It's hectic for me here)  I will be doing it at 2:30 pm eastern time.  In the future before I post a time of a live test I will make absolutely sure that it will be done at that time.
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 29, 2009, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
Again, for anybody interested, I will be doing my next "live session" promptly at 2:00 PM Eastern Time. 

Anybody have any input on this method, or more importantly, has anybody else tried it?

I'm curious as to what the results acheived were by anybody that has tried this.  Thanks guys (and gals)!

Hey I will be on again :D I will first try to learn how you make your decisions about pateren breaks and continuing paterns..
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 02:58:47 PM
@ boo-ray - A portion of how I decide whether or not to bet on continuing/breaking patterns is this.  I read a lot about random recently, and when you have two variables (H AND T for Heads and Tails or 1 and 0 for binary code) a large portion of determining whether they're random or not is the following two things (at least from what I've read).

Number of Runs & Length of Runs.  (the following is from Random.Org

The concept of runs: number and length. A run is a repeated outcome. A run is defined as a sequence of repeating heads or tails. A new run occurs when a new symbol appears. For example, if 3 flips of a coin produce "HTT," there are two runs: one of length 1--the first H, and one of length 2 --the second and third "T." Many people mistakenly think that a random coin toss would produce alternating sequences of HTHTHTHT... Although a randomly flipped coin might produce this once in a while, it is highly unlikely.  For example:

sequence:   H H T T H T T H H H H T T T T T
run symbol:   ___ ___ _ ___ _______ _________

n of runs:    1   2  3  4     5       6

run length:    2   2  1  2     4       5

Things to Remember:
Number of runs is number of occurrences, not number of repeats.
Remember to reset the length of the run to 1 everytime a new run begins.
Did you consider the number of times either a head repeated OR a tail? You've got to look at both. There were 4 heads in run #5, but run #6 was a longer run of tails.


Failures in randomness could produce too many runs (more than 60) or too few (less than 40) in a given sequence, and their length could be either too short (less than 4) or too long (more than 10)

So basically, patterns do form and then those patterns have to break.  I know this isn't exactly an "apples to apples" comparison, but to get a good idea where this new method of mine originated, I suggest you look at the following two sites:

The first is a "Virtual Coin Flipper" (imagine that heads is 1 and tails is 2)  Notice the number of runs that Random has to produce?

nolinks://nlvm.usu.edu/en/nav/frames_asid_305_g_3_t_5.html

This is a much more detailed explanation about random and it's patterns (or lack thereof)

nolinks://faculty.rhodes.edu/wetzel/random/mainbody.html#imagine





Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 29, 2009, 03:12:46 PM
Interesting, will check that out :D
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 03:13:18 PM
If you go to link number two in the post above, take note of number 3 on that page.  It reads as follows (in regards to determining whether a string of coin flips, numbers, etc. is random)

3. Serial dependencies or autocorrelations: One randomness requirement is that there are few patterns and they don't repeat very often.
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 03:16:19 PM
Make sure you take notice to the fact that it DOES NOT read "one randomness requirement is that there are NO PATTERNS"  it says "few patterns"...meaning there are patterns (in the short run) and they are almost a requirement.
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
I've got a couple of minutes free'd up, so I wanted to let you guys know I will be doing another live broadcast in 10 minutes.  It will be at 4:00 pm.

The only change you're going to see is that I am going to wait until spin 37 before I start trying to bet on patterns, I've been testing it out and it seems to be working out just a tad bit better for me.

So the first 5 minutes of broadcasting will just be me spinning to get to spin 37.

My win goal is 60 units.  If I hit that the session ends.
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 05:31:46 PM
For anybody that would like to watch me lose a whole bunch of money... :-[ :-[ Go ahead and watch the 7th test in the On-Demand section of my "channel"....very sad...very sad

As I said to the viewers who watched me lose, I've really got to get a hold of my emotions.  I always get this feeling that I have to beat the casino's into submission...  Bad quality...even worse quality for a gambler...lol
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Mr J on May 29, 2009, 05:41:22 PM
@Rpro >>> Dont be mad with my question. lol I dont remember ALL your posts. This HG you have, can it be played on a 00 wheel at a B&M casino? Just curious. I try out many posted methods (free to you of course if it tanks) and might give yours a spin, pardon the punn.  Ken
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Homeito on May 30, 2009, 04:15:28 AM
Hello,

RJ...

I watched one of your sessions. It is a great way to show your game.

And may your latest loss be your last.


I saw that you make a Black + Red bet to get free spins. And I started to wonder...

If you bet both Black and Red you will lose nothing and win nothing in 36 spins.
And when the Zero wins you will lose two chips.

If you bet only one side you will win 18 bets and lose 18 bets so you win nothing and lose nothing in 36 spins.
And when the zero wins you will only lose ONE chip.

I do not know much math and maybe I am wrong...

But my math also says that you will lose at -5.4% instead of the usual -2.7%.
A many-spins test will confirm that of course because it "always" ends at -2.7%.

BUT!
I also understand that if you do it your way you are secured against losing because of a wrong choise.
I suppose that is what you pay the extra chip for. So maybe it is a good thing after all...
As long as you are comfortable it is good for you.

Just thought I should mention it.


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 30, 2009, 04:52:50 AM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 29, 2009, 05:31:46 PM
For anybody that would like to watch me lose a whole bunch of money... :-[ :-[ Go ahead and watch the 7th test in the On-Demand section of my "channel"....very sad...very sad

As I said to the viewers who watched me lose, I've really got to get a hold of my emotions.  I always get this feeling that I have to beat the casino's into submission...  Bad quality...even worse quality for a gambler...lol

That can happen to everyone, well specialy the last zero was realy unlucky, you romoved it, then bam - here it is.. I think that you should change that progression, it is too agressive.. overall it was rly nice watching you, hope to see you again
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 30, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
Oh, and in case you're a newcomer to this thread, you can watch the live feed here: nolinks://nolinks.livestream.com/liveroulettefeed 
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on June 10, 2009, 03:04:01 AM
Alright guys, here I am again going to play a "system" of mine live at an RNG casino.  I've only got $131 left in there after my last withdrawal, and even if I lose it all I'll still have made a profit from this particular casino.

It's a very simple system, only involving betting on Red or Black, and it does involve a Martingale progression.

It is not however, the regular "bet on black or red until it wins" martingale system.

It is something different.  If you like to solve puzzles, I'm sure you can figure out the system while watching me play.  I will tell you guys all the details of the system after I'm finished playing.

My win goal is $50.  If I win that, I stop playing.

My stop-loss is...well...me losing all $131, haha.

If you'd like to watch, I will go live at 2:10 AM Eastern Time and you can watch it at nolinks.livestream.com/liveroulettefeed
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on June 10, 2009, 03:13:46 AM
Just got this up and running.  It should be live now.
Title: Re: Live Testing of Roulette Systems/Methods
Post by: rjeaton1 on June 10, 2009, 03:43:10 AM
The session went well, I ended with a BR of $181, hitting my win goal of $50 perfectly.

You can watch the session in the On-Demand section, labelled "Red and Black System Test"

The only thing is, I was forced to play the system differently than I had tested it in RXtreme due to me having to bet every spin.  Every time Zero came out it ate up part of my BR so instead of my first bet in the progression being $1 it was $10.

I have found a solution to this "betting every spin" problem, (thanks to all you helpful forum members for sending me PM's on how to get around this!!)

But I have yet to make a deposit.  So until that happens, I'm stuck with what I've got.