Why is it that so many are now being banned before they have even done anything wrong? It seems that now to have your account deleted all you have to do is have an ip close to other previous so called 'trouble makers'.
For what its worth (not that I believe that this thread will be allowed to stay) I believe that the user chez88 was banned for having an interest in Dyksexlics methods as he sent me a pm asking me about them - suffice to say I didn't get a chance to respond to him before he was banned for apparently no reason.
Can I just say now that if anyone is interested in studying d's methods further as I am if they want to get in touch with me please email me at akiraa1979@hotmail.com - there are still some of us who believe that studying these methods can lead to some very good things - even if the powers that be at this forum clearly do not.
Cheers!
Akiraa
QuoteWhy is it that so many are now being banned before they have even done anything wrong?
They have done some-thing wrong that are aginst forum policy.
Well why should they send you an email to learn about hes method.
You can make a post here.
Just have to ask because I don't like a hidden agenda if there is one.
I could read that he wanted to sell one of hes methods.
Now you want to get in contact with other members but not use the forum for it and make a post about it.
Then it sounds a warning bell and I ask my self if we got a puppet here.
LS
Quote from: Lucky Strike on May 30, 2009, 03:04:10 PM
They have done some-thing wrong that are aginst forum policy.
Well why should they send you an email to learn about hes method.
You can make a post here.
Just have to ask because I don't like a hidden agenda if there is one.
I could read that he wanted to sell one of hes methods.
Now you want to get in contact with other members but not use the forum for it and make a post about it.
Then it sounds a warning bell and I ask my self if we got a puppet here.
LS
No hidden agenda from my end - I would like nothing more than to openly discuss the methods without being silenced or jumped upon from people who say that this is BS. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be possible recently in here - I mean I had written up a lengthy reply to Chez but when I hit send I had found that he was ' no longer a member' so i'm sure you can see why I might be a little hesitant to discuss the ideas in here.
akirra,
Someone who produced over 40 pages of nonsense and you can't say anyone was the wiser, at the end of it. It was absolute garbage.
No system, no results, nothing. He or she was seeing how far he or she could take in the gullible, before the people who actually play roulette with
several years experience confronted him or her, then he or she got very abusive. Such people are not wanted on this forum. It's not that difficult
to spot a trouble maker.
Mr Chips
QuoteNo hidden agenda from my end - I would like nothing more than to openly discuss the methods without being silenced or jumped upon from people who say that this is BS.
You are Thread OWNER when you make one then you can split and remove posts you don't think is okay.
Try it out you might like it.
LS
Akiraa,
When a user makes above 80% disruptive posts from day 1, we get complains.
He is too much linked to "that other poster" and we know that means trouble.
Look, while we accept there may be random coincidences in the world, two IP's from the same server both trying to disrupt... too similar mate, we can't pass those unnoticed.
It is my understanding someone who makes more than 80% disruptive posts, or bad-meaning ones with the intent to provoke/insult can be safely labelled a disruptive user; here we don't want those. We want to move on from the recent events which happened.
Be certain no user who makes fair use of our forum will be banned. If there are no bad-meaning posts, why should someone only using the forum in a good-meaning fashion be removed? He/She who uses the forum in a good manner won't be ever banned. No complains about him/her = no ban.
Any case, bad users know exactly what they are doing, nobody insults others and makes rogue posts because his hands typed by themselves. They know, so disruptive users shouldn't be surprised if their accounts are removed.
It isn't too much to ask here; simply asking to register in good faith and use the forum in good standards, without hidden agendas nor bad-meaning intentions, and above all, helping us to keep the peace.
QuoteNo hidden agenda from my end
It is good to know you aren't coming with bad intentions or agendas mate, this is appreciated.
QuoteI would like nothing more than to openly discuss the methods without being silenced
As long as you don't incur in abuse to others, no complains from other users will be raised, and hence no need for moderators to remove anything.
It is really simple, and it is the expected, we protect fair users, we remove disruptive users.
Quote- or jumped upon from people who say that this is BS
As a thread owner, you are the one who chooses what stays and what is removed from your thread. Now each thread owner becomes the first line of defense against abusers. Feel free to stand for your threads if anyone tries to abuse it.
Thanks for being around as a productive poster Akiraa.
Best regards,
Victor
Quote from: Mr Chips on May 30, 2009, 03:28:45 PM
akirra,
Someone who produced over 40 pages of nonsense and you can't say anyone was the wiser, at the end of it. It was absolute garbage.
No system, no results, nothing. He or she was seeing how far he or she could take in the gullible, before the people who actually play roulette with
several years experience confronted him or her, then he or she got very abusive. Such people are not wanted on this forum. It's not that difficult
to spot a trouble maker.
Mr Chips
Hey mr chips - thats the thing though - something which may seem like garbage and nonsense to you might, in fact, seem very useful to someone else (like me).
Granted there was no 'great reveal' at the end but who can say there may not have been more clues to help individuals figure this out if the thread was left only to the study of the system rather than 'experts' telling how it was rubbish and could never work. I have no idea about d's motivation for coming on here but something I do wonder is though - before this who had ever heard of the pigeonhole principle and how it relates to roulette? This to me is the first constant in the chaotic randomness of roulette - the big problem being how do we utilise this whilst staying within the table limits and not exploding our bankroll?
It seems to me that if someone who was already a regular on here had posted about the pigeonhole principle then we would be having a much more productive debate on the subject rather than looking for hidden agendas.
Cheers
Akiraa
Akirra,
I'm glad that you don't have a hidden agenda.
It's the leading on that gets everyone so mad. People don't want to read endless empty testimonials about how smart the system creator feels he is.
It doesn't matter whether the system works or not, It's fine to post it. People want to read other people's ideas without the bs. Even dumb ideas are welcome.
The key for a system poster is not to cross certain lines:
1. Don't lead people on with wild claims.
2. Don't insult people when they ask you questions.
3. Don't claim that you have the only grail and fly off the handle when people ask you legit questions.
4. Don't brag about how you've made millions and recently bought a new car with your new holy grail.
5. Don't claim to be smarter than Einstein, etc.
6. One big bad thing that you don't want to do is play the hints game. If you claim that you have left hints in your avatar or play the hints game, you will be destroyed in short order. :diablo:
Good Luck,
-Herb
Well first you can not try to defend some one that in the end of 40 pages try to make a sell and post hes email.
I can understand some things is good for you and old news for some one else.
Well i hope you can get past the past and become a productive member.
My suggestion is that you make a post about what you find interesting and i am sure there will be notice by other members.
There you can exchange experiences and find new ideas or improve old ones.
LS
As a thread owner, you are the one who chooses what stays and what is removed from your thread. Now each thread owner becomes the first line of defense against abusers. Feel free to stand for your threads if anyone tries to abuse it.
Hey Victor - whilst I do understand that this has been implemented with the best intentions this goes against pretty much everything I am trying to stand against here ie censorship and banning. I would never delete any post from any thread as I see this as a blow against free speech.
The main thing I am trying to achieve here is a change in attitude of some of the 'old school' members who won't give a new theory a chance as they have seen it all before - if they don't believe something will work let them post why they think that then move on! No need for deleting posts!
Cheers!
Akiraa
Quote from: Mr Chips on May 30, 2009, 03:28:45 PMIt's not that difficult to spot a trouble maker. Mr Chips
This is very true, "by the fruit you know the tree"; those who register here to disrupt can't stand NOT showing their true intentions...
QuoteIt seems to me that if someone who was already a regular on here had posted about the pigeonhole principle then we would be having a much more productive debate on the subject rather than looking for hidden agendas.
Akiraa, feel free to bring a topic about the pigeonhole principle at the "roulette & gambling framework" section.
I want to voice my own opinions about this principle.
It is my understanding for he pigeonhole principle to be extrapolated to roulette correctly, we need a drawer with 36 holes and the certainty there will be 37 unique numbers spun.
We have neither of them.
We measure standard deviations based on cycles of 37 spins, this is our REAL measuring unit.
The
REAL/existent roulette cycle (Dirichlet's box/drawer) is 37 spins long, and there are 37 numbers, so there really isn't any chance for the pigeonhole principle to "kick in" at its actual sense where you need to have a shorter amount of cycle than items to fill it.
There are enough numbers to fill the drawner as the drawer has the same number of holes (37 spins = 1 full cycle, enough to hold roulette's 37 numbers without a repeat).
Of course, you can MAKE your own
non-real measuring unit (cycle of 38 spins), where 1 number must repeat, but problem is you would have to use 37 numbers and while the repeat does kick in, you have covered 37 numbers and have been paid 36 units, hence, the embedded payout in the real game makes it a loss.
Also, you could fake larger "boxes" I.e. a drawer with 50 spaces to fill... but then the pigeonhole principle wouldn't be making its appearance in the pure sense, but a repeat would be confined to pure chance as there
are enough "holes" to fill in all the pigeons (numbers).
Anyway perhaps there is a way to make this random distribution event pay, not in the pure sense of the pigeonhole principle (less holes in the drawer than items) but in the random sense (while there are enough holes to fill all items, the accidental distribution of them will make some holes be void and some get two or more pigeons -numbers- by chance).
Perhaps we need to study this not as a pure pigeonhole principle, but better in the form of a gaussian-like distribution.
Regards,
Victor
Quote from: VLSroulette on May 30, 2009, 04:04:04 PM
Anyway perhaps there is a way to make this random distribution event pay, not in the pure sense of the pigeonhole principle (less holes in the drawer than items) but in the random sense (while there are enough holes to fill all items, the accidental distribution of them will make some holes be void and some get two or more pigeons -numbers- by chance).
I believe this 'accidental distribution' is what d was alluding to before he was banned. Regardless what you thought of his donation to charity post (i personally thought it was a joke - surely he never expected anyone to fall for it?) he definitely had some very interesting points/clues which could have been expanded upon had he been given the freedom to do so.
I'm not one for crying over spilt milk but it has left me very frustrated that we were unable to get any more insights into his methods (something which he said he would do before he was banned - for those that were interested).
Cheers!
Akiraa
If you want insight into such a method, then I can discuss it with you.
Tell me what you would like to know?
akiraa,
Take notice of the six points in Herb's post he is absolutely correct ( I have actually agreed with Herb ;) :o :swoon: )
Mr Chips
:) Herb Come on. You are not interested in stupid system posts. You know that allso-called systems fail. And you know what.....you are right. i agree no system can be the grail. I'm only saying this cause I have seen proof........maybe of something else.
cheers
jakk
I was just trying to be helpful.
Jakkalsdraai,
Herb and me have had many disagreements in the past and we may have many more, but he is 100% correct here ( now stop making me
agree with him :diablo: :lol: )
Mr Chips
:) Again I agree with you to a certain extent.However i have seen proof of a certain proof of a grail. That is a promise. No system! I promise. But I have witnessed a grail. Out of respect, i will not name the person. Let me say this again ....it's no system. And yes i don't get all of it but yes.......it's the grail....I'm convinced. I f the person would allow me to say his name..... I will....Name only though. Be assured it's out there....
It must be ray, jakk :D
but how long were you watching... it is not grail if you see one day hitting realy good
lol.....no mate......joke along .....not in that line. isaw the real thing. If the person alows ne to name him I will.
Quote from: Herb on May 30, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
I was just trying to be helpful.
Hey herb - thanks for the offer but unless you somehow worked out d's system I don't think you would be able to give me the hints I was looking for. Positive brainstorming is always good but I kinda get the feeling you are about to tell me about every system ending up at -2.7 in the long run (definitely true of every system I have tried so far but I'm convinced there is more to d's system)
But if you do have any genuine insights into his methods I would love to hear them mate!
Cheers!
Akiraa
:) ray. I saw th light. I'm telling you specificly because you have always been the doomsayer....and with ful right...... this time though mate, i reckon you are actually 100% wrong. I have seen proof whether you want to believe it or not. It 's crazy. The person who showed me is a master. Herb ........ Numerology rules!.........1+2 = 3!
@ AKIRAA
You wrote: "I would never delete any post from any thread as I see this as a blow against free speech."
You're forgetting that with 'free speech' comes responsibility.
Speech might be free; we are never free from the obligation to the wider society to practise it responsibly.
These responsibilities include a willingness for everyone:
to maintain the rule of law and order (be they societal rules or forum rules)
to show respect and consideration towards others
not to incite hatred
not to vilify along racial lines
not to use foul or insulting language
to show courtesy in our dealings with others
to exercise self-discipline
In other words, we all have a responsibility to try to treat others in the manner by we would expect to be treated.
When those norms of civilised behaviour are ignored consistently and persistently then yes, there's room for censorship, and for deletions for the wider good.
And -- thankfully -- that is exactly what Victor and the Moderators have in mind for this forum.
They are setting standards for acceptable behaviour on this forum.
For that you should be grateful -- anarchy is not an attractive alternative!!
Remember: membership of this forum is a priviledge -- NOT A RIGHT.
Neither is membership compulsory...
We are all free to accept the forum expectations and stay. Or reject them and leave.
As normal Esoito wise words my friend, wise words..... :good: :good:
Very well put esoito.
Some people tend to confuse freedom of speech with freedom to abuse. If it is their personal opinion you are a nasty <insert 4-letter word>, they believe it is their god-given right to abuse you and their comments should stay under the light of freedom of speech.
Thanks to thread owner moderation, users now have a first line of defense against abuse.
Each user moderates abusive people who come to their threads.
Threads started by abusers with the intent of committing their mistreatment to other fellow forum members get moderated by the forum staff.
It is a win/win situation for all; well, obviously not for those who want to disrupt and abuse the board, but we sure can live without them.
By the way,
Whoever says there is not freedom of speech is WRONG.
Each and every user can start their own non-abusive thread and elaborate as much as he/she wishes and enjoy as much freedom to voice their opinions and engage in productive debate as much as wished, enjoying full freedom and as much website space as he needs to exercise this.
But under this light: the minute the abuse starts, that very minute the abusive user is waiving the rights granted to user giving fair-use to the forum.
This is a "tit for tat" scheme under in exchange to not become an abuser, every fair user there is as much freedom of speech as he wishes, it isn't to much to ask to keep it reasonable, at least this is what I believe, and I'm sure most fellow users are with me (exclude abusers)
There is a line, it is not the same to address one's opinion about a non-working system in these form:
"your system sucks because you are m*th*rf*ck*r, a c*cks*ck*r and a moron"
as opposed to:
"You say your system works, but I disagree with your statement".
Both are conveying disagreement, but –guess what- the insulting one is NOT staying . If (generic) you want your voice to be heard, first learn to talk clean and exercise your right to "agree to disagree" in a polite, graceful manner.
This is how productive roulette debate can take place, in a framework of maturity and respect; As for abusers, they are free to go to other places.
There is place for "TOILETTE debate": over at other places, over here we want ROULETTE debate.
Every fair user is welcome, with arms wide open.
Victor
Well VLS-forum has been calledf a love fest and wank-fest by some who come here but in another forum double standard I say
Dear Rodney,
What we do, we do it with the best intent of helping the roulette community move forward; no need or intention to prove anything, as things simply prove by themselves in time...
Quote from: VLSroulette on May 30, 2009, 11:39:07 PM
Dear Rodney,
What we do, we do it with the best intent of helping the roulette community move forward; no need or intention to prove anything, as things simply prove by themselves in time...
Sol true Victor and your conscience is clear I am sure of that but others that say this forum is suxy on other forums and still come here why do they bother come here if there isnt something that this forum is doing right
Lanky said to me this is kind of like a family and I to a degree believe him
So there are squabbles in families as are here is how we deal with them is what counts
@jakk
So that person is a millionaire :D
;D Hey B-Ray! I'm just yanking Herb's chain mate!
Herb doesn't mind, he has a great sense of humor lolol.
It's the light comedy hour.....hehehehe.
:lol:
Ok I will be quiet now and go sit in the corner ....... again!
Cheers
Jakk :diablo:
BTW.......Ray does know what he is doing. Look at the challenges. Guess we could all learn something there.
I actually officially agree with Herb though. There is no mechanical system that can beat roulette. Again though, that is just my humble opinion.
I believe that there are systems that beat the game of roulette but only because of human intervention. You remove that and you are doomed. I just cannot see that a system can run 100% on auto and beat roulette.
Hehe, you got me on that one :D