Six point divisor plan
Here is a very good page on the divisor plan.
But please read this 1st & if you have any Questions....Just ask me...I will do my very best for you.
H6 POINT DIVISOR
Here it is:-
. THE SIX POINT PLAN
The Six Point Plan has been around for a long time.
Few people use it.
And yet it is one of the easiest methods around to enable you to win on a consistent basis.
There really is no great risk attached to its operation, because you can introduce a built-in safety brake if things threaten to get out of control.Professionals regard it as the soundest of all target-staking methods.
It's been played in Australia for more than 50 years, but seems to have been more popular in the 30s and 40s than nowadays, when punters seem more impatient than their predecessors.
The aim of the Six Point Plan is to win six betting units every time the punter backs a winner, or winners, whose odds total six.
The target figure decides the opening bet.
Example: If you were aiming to win $6 altogether, the opening bet would be $1 because the DIVISOR is six. So you have six divided into six, which equals a bet of one unit.
The betting action is just a matter of simple division of the DIVISOR into the TARGET figure.
To explain the action, we'll work to a target figure of $12. To work out your bets you use the divisor of six and the target of 12.
The opening bet, then, is $2 (12 divided by six). If the opening bet lost, the objective would be increased by the lost $2 to $14 and you would then divide six into 14 to get the total of the next bet.Rounding off, your next bet would be $2.50.
Let's assume your bet lost again. You now have a target of $16.50 and this is divided by six so your next bet would be, rounded off, $3.
Let's assume the worst and we have this bet losing. Your target now rises to $19.50, which again is divided by six to get your next bet, which is, rounded off, $3.50.
Good news! You get a winner at 2/1. That means you have won $7 of the target of $19.50, which reduces the target to $12.50.
You now have to drop your divisor by two points (the price of the winner) and this now becomes a divisor of four.
Your next bet, then, is $12.50 divided by four, which gives you a vet, rounded off, of $3. If this bet won, say, at 2/1 you would have a profit of $6 coming off the $12.50, leaving you only $6.50 to get to complete the Six Point Plan, with a divisor of 1. At this point you can simply rule off that particular section and begin a completely new Six Point target and divisor.
Should you strike a losing run which seems without end, you can easily halt any rapid rise in stakes by introducing the Safety Brake.
The divisor may be six when you strike a slump which has taken the target figure to, say, 60, meaning a bet of 10 units next time.
All you do now is bring in a new divisor to add to the present one, and a fresh target. This means a new target of 12 (added to the current 60) making 72, and a new divisor of 12.
Your next bet, then, would be 72 divided by 12, equalling six.
If you were still not happy you could even bring in a third divisor of six and a third extra target of 12, making your set-up now a target of 84 divided by 18, meaning a next bet of, say, $4.50.You can also introduce new divisor/target figures when your current divisor has, say, dropped to two, with an objective, say, of $5. This calls for a $2.50 bet. Whenever the divisor is lower than three it is sensible, to protect your capital, to bring in a new divisor and objective, as this prevents stakes rising too rapidly in the event of a long losing run.
Divisor Target
2 5
Bring in new divisor
6 12
New divisor/target
8 17
As you can see, you now have a new divisor of eight and a new target of 17, giving you a next bet of, say, $2.
Why do we bring in this safety brake? Because, with a divisor of only two you Bets could climb too steeply and the situation just might become fraught with panic on your side.
The good thing about the Six Point Plan is that it provides, through the safety brakes, for a common-sense approach.
Also, you MUST win in the end! On any reasonable set of selections, you will eventually back winners whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit.
It can be used for Evens=Red black etc
Dozens
Columns
Lines
Streets
Lanky
Hi Lanky, it looks like a fairly safe approach, what do you usually bet on? Even money, dozens?? And where did you get the payoffs of 2/1, and 3/1 from. 2/1 from single dozen?
QuoteHi Lanky, it looks like a fairly safe approach, what do you usually bet on? Even money, dozens?? And where did you get the payoffs of 2/1, and 3/1 from. 2/1 from single dozen?
Hi Mate
The original 6 point divisor plan was used in racing =horses dogs etc.
So I more or less left the article in its pure form that's where the 3/1 comes from.
You have a good point I will go in & get rid of that so our friends that play Roulette with it don't get confused.
I used it on the races too a long time ago. I don,t bet on anything that has more then 2 legs these Days mate.
But when I turned to Roulette I tweaked it suit.
I use it on nearly everything except My coffee Mate.
Yes Mate the 2/1 is from the Dozens Just Like 5/1 would be the Lines & 11/1 would be the Streets.
Good post mate thanks for the tip.
Your Mate
Lanky
As Promised I will try & explain how to use the 6 point divisor that I tweaked it a little years ago so it could be used at roulette.
And these are real numbers that came out I did not make them up.
Note. that I did not use a selection system here I just did it as if someone decided to bet Lows for the day
Lets say I was betting unders or low 1 to 18
& our target is a profit of 6 units.
Whenever we win we bring the divisor down one
Whenever we lose 2 bets in a row we put it up one.
So when are in profit we have a choice to either start again
or
Use the divisor as in the article that you read.
Everyone is different & it becomes a personal choice for each player.
I myself like to restart after any profit.
And another thing if the divisor gets down to 2
(you can make this 3 for extra safety if you want)
I always add another divisor of 6 + 6 more to target.
I will mark the profits this way [ ]
div (no#) the numbers that came up are marked in brackets = (25)
6/6=1 to bet (25) lose 1 add 6=7 to target
6/7=2 to bet (1) win so now 7-2= 5-6target =[1]
6/6=1 to bet (22) lose 1 add6=7
6/7=2 to bet (3) win so now 7-2=5-6target=[2]
6/6=1 to bet (35) lose 1 add 6=7 to target
6/7=2 to bet (2) win so now 7-2=5-6 target=[3]
6/6=1 to bet (29) lose 1 add 6=7 to target
6/7=2 to bet (19) lose 2 add 7=9 to target
we lost twice so put the divisor up 1 to 7 so now
7/9=2 to bet (33) lose 2 add 9=11 to target
7/11=2 to bet (Z) lose 2 add 11=13 to target
we lost twice so put the divisor up 1 to 8 so now
8/13=2 to bet (21) lose 2 add 13=15 to target
8/13=2 to bet (11) win so now 13-2=11 to target
we won so divisor comes down 1 to 7 so now
7/11=2 to bet (9) win so now 11-2=9 to target
we won so divisor down 1 to 6 so now
6/9=2 to bet (2 lose 2 add 9=11
6/11=2 to bet (11) win so now 11-2=9
we won so divisor down 1 to 5 so now
5/9=2 to bet 1 win so now 9-2=7
we won so div down 1 to 4 so now
4/7=2 to bet (Z) lose 2 add 7=11
4/11=3 to bet (19) lose 3 add 11=14
we lost twice so div up 1 to 5 so now
5/14=3 to bet (14) win so now 14-3=11 to target
4/11=3 to bet (11) win so now 11-3=8 to target
we won so div down 1 to 3
3/8=3 to bet (17) win so now 8-3=5-6 target=[4]
6/6=1 to bet (14) win so now 6-1=5-6 target=[5]
6/6=1 to bet (10) win so now 6-1=5-6 target=[6]
Target reached after 23 bets
I just did it here in its pure natural form.
However I have tweaked it so that I can bet on the
Zero pocket or the Zero or both if I want to
If I had bet on the Zero pocket it would have cost me another 23 units but it would have returned me another 54-23 outlay=31 more profit
If I had just bet on the Zero it would have cost me another 23 units for a return of 72-23=49 more profit.
If I had bet on both the Zero pocket & the Zero
it would have cost me 46 units more for a return of
126-46=80 units more profit.
Its an individual thing that every player has to make a choice of what they like to do.
I prefer the Zero pocket bet
Because when the pocket is coming its like getting money from heaven.
But when its not coming its a mongrel.
Also this example is done on even money bets only
but it can work on them all
EG: Dozen & column bet...Line bet....Street bet
Your Friend
Lanky
Ok seeing that we have some interest here.
I think its only fair that I do the exact same post only this time I will do it betting the
Zero pocket of Zero 1 2 3
The rub or difference here is that you have to put your target up 1 to 7
So that the divisor can carry the extra unit/s easily by putting the bets up slightly
on the bet selection.
Just follow along & you will get the idea.
The zero pocket bet will appear as zp.
div (no#) the numbers that came up are marked in brackets = (25)
6/7=2+1zp=10 (25) Lose 3 add 7=10 to target
6/10=2+1zp=13(1) win 4 back=9 Less 9 for zp=0 from 7=[7] profit
We are in profit so we start again
6/7=2+1zp=13 (22) Lose 3 add 7=10 to target
6/10=2+1zp=13(3) win 4 back=9 Less 9 for zp=0 from 7=7+7=[14] profit
We are in profit so we start again
6/7=2+1zp=10 (35) Lose 3 add 7=10 to target
6/10=2+1zp=13(2) win 4 back=9 Less 9 for zp=0 from 7=7+14=[21] profit
we are in profit so we start again
6/7=2+1zp=10 (29) Lose 3 add 7=10 to target
6/10=2+1zp=13(19) Lose 3 add 10=13 to target
we lost twice so put the divisor up 1 to 7 so now
7/13=2+1zp=16(33) Lose 3 add 13=16 to target
7/16=3+1zp=20(Z) Lose 4 add 16=20 Less 9 from zp=11 to target
We won on the bets outlayed so bring divisor down 1 to 6
6/11=2+1zp=14(21) Lose 3 add 11=14 to target
6/14=3+1zp=18(11) win 6 back=12
we won so divisor comes down 1 to 5 so now
5/12=3+1zp=16(9) win 6 back=10 to target
we won so divisor down 1 to 4 so now
4/10=3+1zp=14(22) Lose 4 add 10=14 to target
4/14=4+1zp=19(11) win 8 back=11 to target
we won so divisor down 1 to 3 so now
3/11=4+1zp=16(1) win 8 back=8 less 9 back for zp=+1+7target=8+21=[29] profit
we are in profit so we start again
6/7=2+1zp=10 (Z) Lose 3 add 7=10 Less 9 back from zp=1 from 7=6+29=[35] profit
We are in profit so we start again
6/7=2+1zp=10 (19) Lose 3 add 7=10
6/10=2+1zp=13(14) win 4 back=9
we won so divisor down 1 to 5
5/9=2+1zp=12 (11) win 4 back=8
we won so div down 1 to 4
5/8=2+1zp=11 (17) win 4 back=7 from 7=even=[35]profit
We are even so we start again
6/7=2+1zp=10 (14) win 4 back=6 from 7=1+35=[36]profit
we are in profit so we start again
6/7=2+1zp=10 (10) win 4 back=6 from 7=1+36=[37]profit
As you can see there are a number of ways to do it other then just betting for
the win selection.
1.Some may want to be more aggressive by not putting the divisor up until 4 lost bets in a row.
2.Some may want to be very aggressive by not putting the divisor up at all.
However if you chose either of the above two options the bets rise quicker & higher.
I would suggest that while learning this that you put the bets up after 2 losses in a row.
Anyhow I have done my best for you showing different ways that it can be used.
One thing I know for sure is that those who learn it will notice a difference from day one.
I am only trying to help that's all.
I truly believe that Money Management coupled with a reasonable selection method are the main ingredients in any form of betting.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hey Lanky,
was wondering what you (and others) believe to be the best bet to apply this 6 point divisor plan to? (even bets, columns, lines?).
I've just started testing it out and found that the columns tend to work better (or atleast quicker) than the even bets... although I haven't tested alot yet.
Just curious.
Thanks,
Matt
Mate
It works best on whatever is winning..LMAO
I promised you an aggressive demo from the questions thread for ME.
I will do one here now on the evens bet.
I will be aggressive because I won't put the divisor up.
until I reach the safety brake area which is when the divisor is at 2.
Say we were betting in $10 units & we wanted to win $60 OK Mate
L=6/6=1 lost=7
L=6/7=2 lost=9
L=6/9=2 lost=11
L=6/11=2 lost=13
W=6/13=3 won=10
L=5/10=2 lost=12
L=5/12=3 lost=15
L=5/15=3 lost=18
L=5/18=4 lost=22
W=5/22=5 Won=17
W=4/17=5 Won=12
L=3/12=4 lost=16
L=3/16=6 lost=22
W=3/22=8 won=14
Now the divisor would be 2.
But we don;t want out bets to sky rocket out of control so we add the Safety Brake.
Which simply is that we add another 6 point div to another target of 6
Like this
2/14 +
6/6
........
8/20=3 to bet........see that Mate if we had not done this our next bet would have been 7 now its only 3.
W=8/20=3 won=17
L=7/17=3 lost=20
L=7/20=3 lost=23
W=7/23=4 won=19
W=6/19=4 won=15
W=5/15=3 won=12
L=4/12=3 lost=15
W=4/15=4 won=11
W=3/11=4 won=7
Now see whats happened here...
we started out wanting a 6 unit win..but we added another 6 unit target=12 win target
we have 7 left.....so seven from 12=5 units profit.
So we have already won $50 of the $60 we wanted.
But we are in front.....So why tempt fate.....we will start again.
With the original 6/6=1 to bet
We had 23 bets for 10 wins & 13 loses
And we started out terrible (on purpose) with only 4 wins in the first 14 bets.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hey Lanky, thanks for the demo. Your example of using the safety brake will be very useful, I'm sure. Just to clarify though...
On your last example you start off losing 4 bets in a row. After losing 2 in a row, don't you increase the divisor by one? So instead of 6/6, 6/7, 6/9, 6/11, you'd have bet 6/6, 6,7, 7/9, 7/11?
Just double checking.
Thanks!
Matt
QuoteHey Lanky, thanks for the demo. Your example of using the safety brake will be very useful, I'm sure. Just to clarify though...
On your last example you start off losing 4 bets in a row. After losing 2 in a row, don't you increase the divisor by one? So instead of 6/6, 6/7, 6/9, 6/11, you'd have bet 6/6, 6,7, 7/9, 7/11?
Just double checking.
Thanks!
Matt
Yes Matt You are right.
NormallyYou would do that with the divisor. When You are playing safe.
And that's the way I showed every one how to do it to start with.
But seeing as though we are learning more about it I thought that people would want to know more.
And the Various ways it can be used.
However what I did was to show you what happens when You get agressive with it so I did not put the divisor up at any time other then when the Safety Brake was Hit.
Just showing You the difference between the 2 mate.
Here is another thing Matt
Like if I was playing the 2 dozens
I would bet like this.
1x1=lost
2x2=lost
6/13=3x3=19 lost
6/19=4x4=27 lost >>>then we would go to 7/27=4x4 right Matt ??
Now look back that's really 4 singl bets.....3 3 4 4
So after 4 lost bets on the dozens of 1x1 2x2 3x3 4x4 we are loseing...20 units
Now lets do that scenario with 8 lost bets on the even chances
L=6/6=1 lost
L=6/7=2 lost
L=6/9=2 lost
L=6/11=2 lost.....4 lost bets so now we put the divisor up 1 to 7
L=7/13=2 lost
L=7/15=3 lost
L=7/18=3 lost
L=7/21=3 lost.....8 lost bets =18 lost units.......and we would then have 8/24=3
I am exposeing more of the divisor plan as more people get use to it.
I started off showing the easy steps first.....now a more advanced step.
Like 4 lost bets on the 2 Dozens.......really equals 8 lost bets on the evens.
I wonder if there is more to come Matt........LMAO
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Lanky,
Posting this for 2 reasons, firstly to ask a question but secondly, (and I think more importantly), to bump it back up to where it belongs. I just can't believe this isn't getting "air time"!
Played this again last night, using high and the zero pocket, but instead of a full unit on the zero pocket, I only used half a unit each time. I won 10 units pretty quickly with no bet over 4 units but had to go - so another successful outing. Must admit that I got a few looks from other players - there they were writing down all the numbers, marking crosses and arrows on the scorecard wheel and all I'm doing is writing 6/9 2.5 W and then 5/6.5 2.5 for the next bet. Even the eye in the sky wouldn't have a clue!
I asked this as part of my question on another thread but what do you consider a losing session or point of no return?
As you have stated, it must win in the end, which is true but it is also true of many other MM plans, the Marty, Labby, Johnson, Guetting, to name a few - which fall over due to table limits, "scary bets syndrome" or the "runs from hell".
Regards
Mocco
Nice MM Lanky
Just starting to grasp it in EC mode.
But I would really like if you can explain it more in DZ mode or even other betting modes ... Lines, Streets.
Thanks in advance for your effort.
TTT
ps how would you play the zero's on a 0/00 wheel ?
Hi Moccoman
QuoteHi Lanky,
Posting this for 2 reasons, firstly to ask a question but secondly, (and I think more importantly), to bump it back up to where it belongs. I just can't believe this isn't getting "air time"!
Well My Mate I guess it just does not suit some people to play this way.(It suits You That's all that matters Mate)
Another reason is that in America they divide differently then we do so it could appear back to front to them.
Funny because My Mate LeBear was using it in Vegas a couple of months ago and some who noticed said he was doing it back to front & He looked down & realised he was doing it the way He learnt it from me.....Lmao
QuotePlayed this again last night, using high and the zero pocket, but instead of a full unit on the zero pocket, I only used half a unit each time. I won 10 units pretty quickly with no bet over 4 units but had to go - so another successful outing. Must admit that I got a few looks from other players - there they were writing down all the numbers, marking crosses and arrows on the scorecard wheel and all I'm doing is writing 6/9 2.5 W and then 5/6.5 2.5 for the next bet. Even the eye in the sky wouldn't have a clue!
Hhahahahah Yes Buddy that will get you the looks alright.
And that was very clever of you to work that out Mate.
Its Yours now and you can use it anyway You want.
So Please tweak it to suit Your self Cobber.
You can sometimes get away with betting a Quarter unit as well.
And when the Zp is hitting its like money from Heaven.
See You, Lebear , Witho etc took one look at it & probably said that's interesting and after seeing it work after testing it said that's for Me.
And You all took to it like a duck to Water.
You saw in this something simular to what I saw when Victor 1st Exposed His Lw Method to the world.
And most were saying it could & would not work.(they still do)
But I took a look & saw it differently in as so much that he was using a cancellation betting plan.(which He tweaked to suit Himself)
Which on an average run would require about a 50% win rate.
And he was using a selection plan that hit approx 66% of the time.
And on top of that he would be in Virtual mode at times for long periods.
Which would take advantage of the good trams & left the bad trams alone where possible.
So in effect he would get a higher win rate of all spins because he eliminated some or most of the bad ones and was not betting on them.
Which in turn would lower the required win rate of his betting plan.
QuoteI asked this as part of my question on another thread but what do you consider a losing session or point of no return?
Sorry My Friend if I did not answer you properly in the 1st instance.
(In this part below I will show what I do risking between 10%(non aggressive and Safest) to 30% (Aggressive and not as Safe) of my Bank & why)
That is not an easy Question to answer.
So I will answer it with a full explanation the best I can.
So this could be a bit lengthy, but if it helps just one person then I will have done My job.
This part will depend on each player and their tolerance for betting higher units while on a losing run.
And also the Bank that a Player has.
Like I am a believer of having a Victor bank.
Which is 2000 times your betting unit.
Victor used that when He was playing Full time as a Pro & Semi Pro & feeding His Family with it from His winnings.
And I just adopted this as the norm.
So for me to win from 1.5% to 3% and more a session is doable.
Generally I will walk away at 10% or less as a loss.
So somewhere between 150 to 200 as a loss.
Lets say you are betting in dollars that would be $150 to $200
Why ?
Well that way if we win 4 or 5 out of 6 sessions we still win.
Now lets say we have won $600 or 30% profit on our Bank I purposely go and try & win more so in other words I put the unit size up.
Now if I do this I will still go with a plan.
Lets say the bet was in $10 units.
Then I would look at going anywhere between $100 to $200 profit.
And I will not risk anymore then 30% of my Bank=$600
If I lose between $500 to $600 I will walk away.
It is the same if we played $25 units.
I would look for between $100 to $200 plus profit & walk.
I would not go past losing $600.
If I lose that $600 then our Bank is still even & I start all over again.
Doing things this way I have built extra banks & I now have 4.5 Banks or have won 350% on original starting Bank.
QuoteAs you have stated, it must win in the end, which is true but it is also true of many other MM plans, the Marty, Labby, Johnson, Guetting, to name a few - which fall over due to table limits, "scary bets syndrome" or the "runs from hell".
Regards
Mocco
I think my words are. (And if Not they should be )
"Used with any reasonable selection Method You must Win"
In other words providing that the selection method hits a reasonable rate of wins.
And Yes You are right Mate.
And it won't matter what MM plan you use when those sessions from hell come.
YOU WILL LOSE.
What I am trying to do is ride out those Hell Sessions if possible & if not then to minimise the damage to Our Banks.
Like in the last example I did on the Even Chances.
We only had 6 wins in the 1st 29 bets from memory.
Still that's consistent to what I have found in the past.
That depending where we had got 6 wins from every 30 bets we would usually by that time still have between 40% to 50% of our Stop Loss to go (if it was 100 units) before we have to walk away.
Not what you would call a reasonable run by any means.
But in the end as we rode out the bad session we ended up winning.
Another thing I do is that once a unit is won then it's a prisoner.
Eg:
Lets say we have won 30 units then that goes in my pocket.
Now lets say we lost 150 units from there I walk with the 30 units won still in My pocket.
I will not take the 30 units won off the 150 units lost and say I have lost 120 and bet on & lose another 30 and say now I have lost 150
That's just Stupid because you have given the Casino back 180 units instead of just the 150.
So in other words Every unit Won stays with me they cant get that back.
I guess to sum up it could be put this way.
If you lose with the Divisor its usually because of these reasons.
1) You did not start off with a big enough Bank that would carry you through the sessions from Hell.
2) Or You have not bet in units in proportion to your Bank
3) Your Selection Plan has not hit at a reasonable rate.
Hope I have been of some help to You & Others My Mate.
Your Friend
Lanky
Thanks for the reply Lanky,
Last night I made a dumb mistake in recording and only won 23 units. Played low as there were 17 highs and 3 lows in the last 20 spins on the console of the RR, so played low (gamblers fallacy I know, but its hard to resist the equilibrium thing!) and the zp with a half unit.
Started to regret my bet choice after a few spins but continued on with the same bet selection and everything ended up ok, with the highest bet being 6 1/2 units.
From memory I think you are out west, so do you get to the east anytime?
With a bit more tweaking I think this could be really really good.
Regards
Mocco
Hi Lanky
Here is an RX session ( 50 spins ) I did using one of many different criteria for my EC bets. This was my best session. I used the 6 point divisor plan for MM. I know 50 spins is nothing to go by as far as testing roulette systems.
The bets were 25$ units and the bets were on EC ( B/R )
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For the time being the criteria is ( TOP SECRET ) until further testing is done and maybe I don't look like a fool.
Still waiting to hear from you on how to use this MM on other bets besides the E/C bets.
Thanks in advance
TTT
Hi Moccoman
You are doing great Mate.
I hope You win forever My Friend.
QuoteFrom memory I think you are out west, so do you get to the east anytime?
Mate I am Approx 75 ks from Star City.
QuoteWith a bit more tweaking I think this could be really really good.
I agree with You Cobber.
Good On Ya Mate
Lanky
Hi TicTacToe
Mate that Graph certainly looks Fantastic.
QuoteFor the time being the criteria is ( TOP SECRET ) until further testing is done and maybe I don't look like a fool.
I can understand that Mate.
QuoteStill waiting to hear from you on how to use this MM on other bets besides the E/C bets.
Yes Mate I know You are.
I am sorry its taken so long...but I have other things to do as well Mate.
I will do my best for you as time permits.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Lanky,
For some reason I thought you were in Perth.
Maybe we could hook up at Star City sometime, as I am 50 kms from there.
I would pm you but it is hidden.
Regards
Mocco
Quote from: Moccoman on August 31, 2008, 08:51:05 PM
Hi Lanky,
For some reason I thought you were in Perth.
Maybe we could hook up at Star City sometime, as I am 50 kms from there.
I would pm you but it is hidden.
Regards
Mocco
No problems Mate..we will work something out and meet.
Your Pm Is Hidden ??? ( that would explain why I did not get a Pm reply from you)
You can't see something like this when you Login ???
QuoteHome Help Arcade Search Admin Profile My Messages Chat [2 Users] Members Downloads links Logout
If not Victor will fix it for you Mate.
Lanky
Here are a few more tests. Some not as smooth as the first one ( 31 Units 775.00), but yet it gets the job done.
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64 Spins +12 Units (300.00)
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TTT
Hi TicTacToe
The difference for the single Dozen bet is.
That you don't put the Divisor up until You have 4 lost bets in a row.
L L L L = the Divisor goes up 1.
And as usual you bring the Divisor down 1 on a Win.
(There is a more aggressive way....but we will cover that at a Later date)
For the single Dozens it would be like this Mate.
L-6/6=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
L-6/11=2=13 lost (4 lost bets in a row Divisor up 1 to 7)
W-7/13=2=15 Won -6=9 ( won so Divisor down 1 to 6)
L-6/9=2=11 lost
W-6/11=2=13 Won-6=7 (won so down 1 to 5)
L-5/7=2=9 lost
W-5/9=2=11 won-6=5 (won so down 1 to 4) Etc
W-4/5=2=7 won-6=1 (1 from 6 win target={5} profit)
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Ok now if the bet is on 2 Lines Or 2 double streets as some call them.
And you wanted to bet $10 on each Line
Then Its the same Mate...the only difference is that your unit becomes $20
Like if you were betting on a Dozen & it won It would be
6/6=1=7 so in reality its $20 outlay & $60 return for a profit of $40 so it be like this
6/6=1=7 won-3=4 from win target of 6=2 <<2x 20=$40
Or if you prefer you can do it this way in Dollars.
6/120=20=140 won-60 return=80 from 120 win target ={$40} profit.
Even though the unit is split into 2 bets of $10 on the lines=(D/streets) the return will be the Same.
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20 out-60 return=40 profit.
I hope that helps You mate
Lanky
Quoteps how would you play the zero's on a 0/00 wheel ?
I will do a post on this for you shortly (today)
Hi TTT
Quoteps how would you play the zero's on a 0/00 wheel ?
Well I don't normally get into anything about a 0/00 wheel.
Simply because I don't play them.
And quite Frankly I really don't want anything to do with them.
I think that there is maybe only 1 or 2 numbers in the same place as a single Zero wheel.
But seeing as My Mate LeBear plays it on them , I will endeavour to be as helpful as I can.
If there is something I have left out...well when LeBear is back I will ask Him and he can give you the tips on how He plays it.
Now I think the Zero Pocket or the (Zp) as I call it only pays a return of 7 instead of 9 on a single zero wheel.
In other words you are getting paid 6/1 instead of 8/1
Now getting 6/1 instead of 8/1 may not seem much in the scheme of things but depending on the unit bet and where the Wins come it could effectively mean that the player on the single zero wheel could possibly have a few more bets with the same or lesser unit size then is required on the 0/00 wheel.
So in effect getting protection from the Zp bet more times for less outlay.
However this could all be outweighed by the fact that you get 5 numbers that could Win for you instead of the 4 numbers on the single Zero wheel.
But at some time you will have to either put the Zp bet up quicker then when a person is playing a single Zero wheel.
Or put that unit on the 0/00 split.
(Or half unit as Moccoman Plays)
There probably is no right or wrong way to do it.
Either way would be right depending on what was hitting at the time.
And there is no sense in beating yourself up over the result.
Hindsight would be a wonderful thing to have as a Roulette player. Unfortunately the Player is trying to predict the result before the spin.
But we don't have a crystal ball to tell us that.
So it would up to the preference that the player favoured.
The same as some may favour betting the Zp on the single Zero wheel until that unit would not cover the bet made & then they would transfer that unit from the Zp to the Zero itself.
Or some may wish to just take the Zero itself.
It really comes down to what suits each individual player.
(I will ask LeBear to comment for You Mate)
Your Friend.
Lanky
I must admit that the good thing about this MM plan is being able to insert a safety brake at any time and also it can be whatever is comfortable for you in the situation e.g 2/0, 2/2, 2/4, 2/6 or 6/6, 6/12 - it just doesn't matter!
Quote from: Moccoman on September 02, 2008, 05:02:07 AM
I must admit that the good thing about this MM plan is being able to insert a safety brake at any time and also it can be whatever is comfortable for you in the situation e.g 2/0, 2/2, 2/4, 2/6 or 6/6, 6/12 - it just doesn't matter!
Moccoman.
Preach it My Friend Preach it.
Ahh Yes My Mate....You have got this by the balls Buddy.
Good On Ya Mate
Lanky
Hi Lanky
Thanks for all the fantastic info.
I think I'm getting the hang of it now. As you can see below, 74 spins, 80 units won ( 2000.00 @ 25.00 per unit )
Biggest drawdown was 12 units (300.00 ) but not after having won 10 units, so actually went into my bankroll by 2 units ( 50.00 )
NOW, the big test will be having the NERVE to go try this LIVE at my local Casino.
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If I do decide to give it a go, I'll report back ( WIN or LOSE ) ;)
Til then
TTT
Hi TTT,
Good luck, I haven't lost with this yet, but can't you use less than $25 units where you are?
Regards
Mocco
Hi Lanky,
Your method reminds me of a staking plan very popular with racing punters - "The Retirement plan". As you mentioned it was originally designed for racing I wondered whether you have adapted it from this? nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/master.htm?nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/retirement.html (nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/master.htm?nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/retirement.html)
I've never used it myself, but I know a lot of people in the racing world swear by it.
Quote from: bliss on September 03, 2008, 12:53:26 PM
Hi Lanky,
Your method reminds me of a staking plan very popular with racing punters - "The Retirement plan". As you mentioned it was originally designed for racing I wondered whether you have adapted it from this? nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/master.htm?nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/retirement.html (nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/master.htm?nolinks://nolinks.grandstand.com.au/retirement.html)
I've never used it myself, but I know a lot of people in the racing world swear by it.
Hi Bliss,
I have had that comparison said before Mate.
And no its not Buddy.
I don't know much about the Retirement Plan My Friend..
I did have a look at it once but I think its based on a percentage that is to be won over a certain time.
The Divisor is really designed to win you a certain amount of money calculated by the price of the winning bet.
I think the Retirement Plan came to light in the 70's.
The Divisor was first used publicly in the 40's.
I have to go to the Dr's in a short while & I don't have time to go into it now,but I will pull the Divisor apart for You guys at a later date and explain what & how it revolves around percentages in Betting Odds Terms & how & what I traded off with it to convert it to Roulette.
Who knows it might spark some tweaks that might make it even more Powerful.
Good On Ya Mate
Lanky
QuoteI will pull the Divisor apart for You guys at a later date and explain what & how it revolves around percentages in Betting Odds Terms & how & what I traded off with it to convert it to Roulette.
Lanky, that will be interesting. I look forward to it.
Hey Lanky, your shared progression is interesting.
Why not use it on both sides?
ie:a progression on Player and a progression on Banker?
Run each one seperately or together even.
Maybe start the player one with 6 divisor and 12 units to be gained. So the player has a 2 unit bet,
and banker with a 6 divisor and 6 unit goal for a 1 unit bet.
Subtract out 2-1 for a starting bet of 1 unit on player.
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So how would you play it using 2 progressions?
Redhunter
Hi Redhunter,
Mate I am not saying that the Divisor would not work as you suggest.
But Victor posted an ingenious way to play the both sides of the Evens at once.
It was posted about 12 to 18 months or so ago.
I will have a look for You but I think I have lost it.
If I have not got it then Our Friend Victor I am sure would re-post it again.
It was very very clever I think it went something like this.
<<<<<<<<<<<< Pluscope this way/And a Labby this way>>>>>>>>
Its the best I have ever seen Mate.
Your Friend
Lanky
Okay sounds good.
Cant wait to see it.
Redhunter
Lanky, I'd like to try out your plan on sports betting (racing mainly), and I'm wondering how you would deal with a sequence of bets where the odds vary - which is usually the case in Sports betting. For example, suppose your target is £50, giving an initial stake of £50/6 = £8.33 (there's no need to round to a whole number, because we're not constrained by the need to bet in standard chip sizes), but instead of fixed odds, we get a series like this:
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target, stake, odds, result,
50, 8.33, 6/4, loss,
58.33, 9.72, 13/8, loss
68.05, 11.34, 5/1, loss
79.39, 13.23, 2/1, loss
92.62, 15.44, 9/4, win
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In your opening post in the thread you gave an example of a sequence, and:
QuoteGood news! You get a winner at 2/1. That means you have won $7 of the target of $19.50, which reduces the target to $12.50.
You now have to drop your divisor by two points (the price of the winner) and this now becomes a divisor of four.
So is this a general rule? (drop the divisor by the price of the winner on a win) So in my little example, after the win, I would drop the divisor by 2.25 (2.25/1 being equivalent to 9/4). The winning amount is 2.25 x 15.44 = 34.74, which reduces the target to 50 - 34.74 = 15.26
The divisor is now 6 - 2.25 = 3.75, and the next stake is 15.26/3.75 = 4.07.
The only problem I can foresee with this is if you get a run where the odds are relatively high. High odds means longer losing runs, in which case your initial stake (as determined by target/6) may be too high for the odds. Maybe it would be better to take the
average odds of your bets and stick to that. Of course this means you need to have a fairly large sample from which to get an accurate average. Alternatively you could apply the safety break, if the odds become too high.
Hope you understand what I'm getting at, I just wondered how the plan works in its original form, before you adapted it for roulette.
Thanks Lanky.
QuoteHi Bliss.
Mate its always a pleasure to receive a post from you.
You either answer Your Own question & ask for confirmation or you leave the way open for a more detailed answer.
Lanky, I'd like to try out your plan on sports betting (racing mainly), and I'm wondering how you would deal with a sequence of bets where the odds vary - which is usually the case in Sports betting. For example, suppose your target is £50, giving an initial stake of £50/6 = £8.33 (there's no need to round to a whole number, because we're not constrained by the need to bet in standard chip sizes), but instead of fixed odds, we get a series like this:
target stake odds result
50 8.33 6/4 loss
58.33 9.72 13/8 loss
68.05 11.34 5/1 loss
79.39 13.23 2/1 loss
92.62 15.44 9/4 win
Mate In this example that You use & seeing that the 1st two lost bets were under 2/1 I would have put the divisor up one to 7
The next 3 are over 2/1 so I would leave the divisor at 7 but after the next bet and if it's a loss I would put the Divisor up one to 8
In your opening post in the thread you gave an example of a sequence, and:
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Good news! You get a winner at 2/1. That means you have won $7 of the target of $19.50, which reduces the target to $12.50.
You now have to drop your divisor by two points (the price of the winner) and this now becomes a divisor of four.
So is this a general rule? (drop the divisor by the price of the winner on a win) So in my little example, after the win, I would drop the divisor by 2.25 (2.25/1 being equivalent to 9/4). The winning amount is 2.25 x 15.44 = 34.74, which reduces the target to 50 - 34.74 = 15.26
The divisor is now 6 - 2.25 = 3.75, and the next stake is 15.26/3.75 = 4.07.
Yes Mate that was the General Rule to deduct the price of the Winner from the Divisor.
But I tweaked it from the get go for the same reasons as you have foreseen.
If the Winners price was from say 1/1 to 7/4 I would take 1 off he Divisor.
2/1 to 11/4...I would take 2 off the Divisor.
3/1 to 15/4 I would take 3 off
4/1 to 9/2 ....Take 4 off
Etc
I am sure You have got the Idea My Mate.
Whatever price the winner was the divisor would come down by that much.
I would just reduce the Divisor by 2 up to the odds of 5/2.
Then
The only problem I can foresee with this is if you get a run where the odds are relatively high. High odds means longer losing runs, in which case your initial stake (as determined by target/6) may be too high for the odds. Maybe it would be better to take the average odds of your bets and stick to that. Of course this means you need to have a fairly large sample from which to get an accurate average. Alternatively you could apply the safety break, if the odds become too high.
Yes Mate you could do it both ways, although by putting an average price there it would be a lot like the Retirement Staking Plan .
I guess it would work that way just as well if not better by applying the best of both Plans.
I am open to Tweaks that make things better & this MIGHT be one of them.
However if by some remote chance that I know what I am talking about and I am not full of Piss & Wind then I should have the correct answer for You. Right Mate???.
I mean after all I have been shooting my mouth off about how good this is & the tweaks I have made to it so I should be able Walk the Talk....Right Mate ??
So I will have a go at it for You Cobber.
What would we do in this case scenario.
Lets say we have this 6/90=15 to bet
But the price is say 15/1 and You don't want to have the 15 units on this thing at that price.
What You do is simply this.
You use the price of that selection as your Divisor to obtain a lower unit to be bet and at the same time get the return you are looking for.
EG
15/90=6 to bet=96 won-96=nil << from 50={50} profit.
Now while I am at it lets carry this on further lets say that lost I would then have my divisor like this
6.25/96.....<<I don't count the fractions just the whole number of 6>>>the .25 is to keep count of when I have to put the Divisor up when it goes from 6.75 to 7 its automatically done for You.
Like This
6.25 << I count as 6
6.50 << I count as 6
6.75 << I count as 6
7 << is 7
Ok so we now have.
6.25/96=16 to bet
But the selection is priced at 20/1
so just divide 20 into 96=5 to bet rounded up
EG
20/96=5=101 Won-105= +4 +50={54} Profit
So simply put if the price of the selection is more then the Divisor.
You can bet lower units by using the Higher Price of the Selection as the Divisor.
How did I do Bliss ???
Did I Pass Mate ???
Hope you understand what I'm getting at, I just wondered how the plan works in its original form, before you adapted it for roulette.
Thanks Lanky
Good On Ya Bliss Its Been my Pleasure Mate.
Lanky
Lanky, many thanks for your detailed reply, you've answered all my questions and more. I like the flexibility of this plan, although IMO there's a danger that too much flexibility can lead to changing things on a whim, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a plan in the first place. If a plan is all things to all people then it's likely to be nothing to no-one, if you see what I mean. ;D
I like your idea of using the price as the divisor for higher prices. Most of my selections are between 1/1 and 7/2 but the occasional 5/1 - 10/1 turns up, so it would be a good solution for these. I'll run it through my results and also try the "average price" method (as per the retirement plan) and we'll see which gives the best ROI.
cheers mate.
Hi Bliss.
Mate I have an Idea.
Why don't You ask Victor to open up a Racing section.
Our Friendy Moderator Lohnro is a Semi Pro Punter & a Clever one at that.
Either Him or You or Both could run the thing & I could Learn/Help/Write some stories there.
Its just an Idea Mate but its a bloody good one...Lmao
Your Mate
Lanky
Lanky, that's a great idea. Racing falls under the umbrella of sports betting, for which we already have a section, but maybe a sub-section within it?
I don't want add to Victor's workload if it's not strictly necessary. Also, with an eye on the future, better to keep a grip on the number of sections wouldn't you think? otherwise the forum may become cluttered and difficult to navigate...
Actually, racing (in the sense of "traditional" backing of horses) only forms part of my "arsenal". I use the Betfair markets almost exclusively, but probably do more trading and laying than backing.
I will leave it Victor's capable hands, I'm easy whatever he decides.
Thumbs Up for a "Racing Section"!
Bliss
There You Go Mate.
We now have a Horse Racing Section & Lohnro is the Moderator.
Thanks to Victor for setting it up.
Lanky
cool! :)
Thanks Lanky, and thanks to Victor for setting it up.
BTW, great news about your wife, give her my best.
Hi Lanky,
Thanks for your help with the divisor mate. The more I use it, the more I like. When you're in a losing steak it really looks after your cash very well. Forget the usual progressions, they simply screw you over in a losing streak. I'm going to use the divisor all the time from now on! ;D
Thanks again
CD
Hi CD,
I have found that the Divisor can resist long streaks of losses much better that the Labby, Johnson and the like.
I use the ECs but coupled with the zero pocket any double wins really produce a real bonus.
I'm currently working on tweaking it further and will keep everyone informed.
Regards
Mocco
Hi Mocco,
Glad to hear you're having success with it too.
Look forward to hearing how you play the ECs.
Cheers,
CD
Hi Lanky,
I was reading the forum, someone asked you about MM & EC bets. What are they. Could you just explain a little bit about it.
Thanks and cheers,
Chico
Quote from: chico on September 21, 2008, 09:39:36 PM
Hi Lanky,
I was reading the forum, someone asked you about MM & EC bets. What are they. Could you just explain a little bit about it.
Thanks and cheers,
Chico
Hi Chico.
MM=Money Management.
EC=Even Chances.
Here is a link back to page 1 where I have done some examples on them.
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Here is the link to My Even Money Plan.
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Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky, just to say thanks for sharing your grind
its been talked about in Berlin and in Poland ;)
We'Ve really helped people with this grind of yours ;)
tictactoe you still here with us, would like to see more results, they look good mate ;)
moccaman oh so true this deserves air time alright
if you go to search and look for the divisor its spread all over the forum
i think that this should have its own section and of course our lanky as moderator
its true lanky it can be used in anything apart from your coffee
thanks again Lanky
your mate Bruce ;)
Hi Bruce.
Mate thanks for the kind words.
And Yes its a good feeling knowing that I have helped other people Cobber.
Mate this is the Divisor's section that Your in now ... and I am a Admin/Mod .....Lmao...
Good On Ya Mate.
Lanky.
Hi Bruce,
Rest assured the 6 point divisor is a powerful tool. It wins well and often but there are times when it will collapse.
While I have yet to have a loss with real money, there are scenarios where it gets into a hole and never recover. In testing I have found a situation where an even chance only wins 30 times in 90 spins, the divisor never gets above 9 but the bets just keep climbing until its good bye bankroll.
But having said that I am working (when time permits) on a plan to try to combat this situation, but even then bankrolls will be lost from time to time.
Regards
Mocco
Hi Moccoman,
I've been thinking about ways of combating a losing streak too...and this is the best idea that I can come with at the moment:
Besides techniques such as going into virtual mode after x amount of losses and then waiting for 1 or 2 hits before betting again, another thing is when you've lost 50% of your bank roll, aim to only break even - so deduct your session target amount from the divisor And also start betting only half the amount the divisor calculates, and do so until you've recovered say 25% - or something like that anyway...
Of course there will be those hellish sessions where the succession of hits never come and all we do is end up losing slower; but from my experience, these types of sessions are pretty damn rare and unless you quit the session early, there's very little you can do to avoid them. But do I think something like the above might help us ride out those more typical negative dispersions and keep our bank rolls reasonably healthy until the hits start coming again. :P
This is what I am gonna do anyway mate. I've not needed to yet, but I know that it is only a matter of time before I will.
Lanky - what are your thoughts on this mate?
Cheers,
CD
I had a session t'other day where I tried the above - It worked a treat! I lost 50% of my BR, reduced my bets by 50% and the dispersion continued for a several cycles longer while my bets were reduced, and then I started hitting again and gained back 25%. So I went back to the standard divisor and eventually broke even. Luck may have played a role here, but it was my choice to reduce the bets when I did, and if I had not done so, and if I had not gone into virtual play when I did at various times during the session, I would have lost my whole bank roll. It may have taken 250 spins, but this was a perfect recovery session where dispersion surfing really was the key to not losing.
Hi CD,
Rolling back the profit from the divisor is a good idea when you are in the hole.
How many units do you call "50% of bankroll".
I have found that it is very hard to recover when you are more than 50 units down.
Regards
Mocco
Thanks for the advice mocoman ;)
and funnily enough have been working on a delayed approach with the divisor myself
thanks chicken dinner ;)
basically i bet the lowest amount that the table will allow,
after two losses i get the divisor out and start from where i left off
hey lanky my freind
i still say this grind of yours should have its own section ;)
all the best lads
berlinerbruce
Hi Moccoman,
I was down 200 units, a point where I'd usually quit & take the loss on the chin. I was betting the double streets. So while I'm likely to run into long losing streaks, if I can stretch the bank roll for long enough, a brief lucky spell can really turn things around.
Hi Berlin - interesting way of play of playing - do you bet the miniumum after 2 losses, then go back on the divisor after a win? You're right about the divisor having it's own section - I think it is pehaps the most important tool of any system and warrants much more discussion.
Cheers,
CD
Hi Chicken Dinner , Moccoman & Bruce.
The problem here seems to be more the Selection plan then the Divisors Fault.
Well if it was me I would stop however If you are having those bad runs you can try it this way .
Bet until a Quarter of Your bank is lost.
Eg: a 200 unit Bank ($2000 with $10 units)......bet until You win Target is 50 Approx then You can restart another Divisor with the Win target as 25. And try & win that back 1st.
When the Win Target reaches 50 again do the same thing.
This way You will get 7 bites at the cherry with the Same Bank.
Like this
<<Whatever into/57 Win Target.
6/25=5 to bet=30 <<When this reaches 50 Start again.
6/25=5 to bet=30 >>to 50 ETC <<<even here its only 18 wins to Win back the lot providing the wins fall at a reasonable rate from here.
Like in CD's case on the Double streets (Lines as I call Them)that would be approx 4 winning bets spaced reasonably close together.
And after that horror run you would expect it pick up.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Hi Berlin - interesting way of play of playing - do you bet the minimum after 2 losses, then go back on the divisor after a win? You're right about the divisor having it's own section - I think it is perhaps the most important tool of any system and warrants much more discussion.
Cheers,
CD
Hi CD, no, once I'm in profit with the divisor i bet 1€ until i receive two consecutive losses
then i start betting at 10 € then 20€ then then 40€
then if the last three bets lose i get the divisor out
Quote from: Lanky on October 11, 2008, 08:24:06 AM
Hi Chicken Dinner , Moccoman & Bruce.
The problem here seems to be more the Selection plan then the Divisors Fault.
Well if it was me I would stop however If you are having those bad runs you can try it this way .
Bet until a Quarter of Your bank is lost.
Eg: a 200 unit Bank ($2000 with $10 units)......bet until You win Target is 50 Approx then You can restart another Divisor with the Win target as 25. And try & win that back 1st.
When the Win Target reaches 50 again do the same thing.
This way You will get 7 bites at the cherry with the Same Bank.
Like this
<<Whatever into/57 Win Target.
6/25=5 to bet=30 <<When this reaches 50 Start again.
6/25=5 to bet=30 >>to 50 ETC <<<even here its only 18 wins to Win back the lot providing the wins fall at a reasonable rate from here.
Like in CD's case on the Double streets (Lines as I call Them)that would be approx 4 winning bets spaced reasonably close together.
And after that horror run you would expect it pick up.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Some good advice there Lanky! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Hi Guys,
The way I have been playing is as follows (on a single zero wheel) and a bankroll of 150 units:
1. Betting 1-18 and half a unit on the 0,1,2,3 bet (paying 8/1).
2. Usual 6 point divisor until I get to having to bet 4 units on 1-18, when I just put the 1/2 unit on the 1-3 street - I see that there is little point in betting on the zero if you can't recover the units you have bet on that spin, as in bet 4 1/2 units to get back 4 1/2 on the zero.
3. When the recovery gets over 50, I then split the recovery into 3, to recover 18 units on 1-18, red and odd with the divisor a 6 - so the first recovery bet is 3 units on each of the ECs and 1 1/2 units on the 0,1,2,3.
4. The reason I pick red and odd is to (hopefully) pick up the bonus bet on the 1 and the 3, should they come up. I keep the 1-18 bet because there has already been a pretty bad run, so it should turn around at some stage.
5. If or when one of the ECs is solved then I concentrate on the other 2, and further distribute units if one of the ECs gets back up to that 50 unit recovery level but also incorporating the situation at 2) above.
6. The downside is that if you are playing rapid roulette you only get 30 seconds to place your bets, after the croupier has said "place your bets" so you really need to be on your toes!
7. Any units I win before the runs from hell are mine and don't form additional bankroll.
8. When recovery gets to 50 on all three ECs then that's it!
Regards
Mocco
Thanks for your post Lanky (and Bruce and Moccoman) - I've only had 1 bad run in 18 with the system I'm playing at the moment, and still managed to break even, so I'm pretty happy with the bet selection so far. In fact I reviewed that bad run and realised that I had made a big mistake, so my draw down would have been far smaller, only about 20% of my BR. My average draw down is about 15% of my BR, but I know bad runs will arrive sooner or later, so I want to be as equiped as possible to fight them.
I like the idea re-starting another divisor if you lose 25% of your bank roll. I'll be sure to give that a try when I need to. That's a superb way of keeping the bets down in case you're about to hit another bad run. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Cheers,
CD
Hi CD,
Its great that you are doing well with your take on the divisor.
In all of these plans, all we have to take account of is what works for you!!
Regards
Mocco
Hi
How would i implement the 6 point divisor plan when I play 2 dozens per spin?
Thanks
Hi Mocco,
You're right my friend, whatever works for the player, works for the player! Everyone's got their own preferences.
I like your play on the ECs. I'll have to try that one day.
You are one of the few players I know who plays the 0,1,2,3 bet, a very under played spot if you ask me!
I read somewhere that playing black and odd together gives you 2 extra numbers' coverage than the other colour, odd even chances combos. I think this is correct, so if playing black and odd, you could place an occasional 1 unit split on 0/2 for insurance...I'm not too sure how this would fit into your game, but just a thought mate.
Cheers,
CD
Hi CD,
The 0,1,2,3 was Lanky's idea - I think he called it the "bucket bet" or something similar.
If the 1,2,3 comes up when I'm betting 1-18, then its "booya" for me! LOL. The zero tend to relieve that frustration we get when it comes up and we are not on it!
Black and odd will give a coverage of 28 numbers (8 with double hits and 20 with singles). This is compared to (say) black and low which covers 27 numbers (9 with double hits and 18 with singles). It just depends whether you want the double wins or the coverage of numbers.
Regards
Mocco
QuotePost 1 in a series of 3 Posts on $10 Units playing Even money Bets.
If I have it correct, your second bet should have been 2 units. Target (7) divided by divisors (6) is greater than 1, so rounds up to 2
I think your results should have been
6:6 1 unit bet. Result: 19. Lost so add one unit to target. = 6:7. [-10]
6:7 2 unit bet. Result: 19. Lost so add two to target and one to divisor = 7:9 [-30] (1 added to div for 2nd loss)
7:9 2 unit bet. Result: 2. Win so remove 2 from target and one from divisor? = 6:7 [-10]
6:7 2 unit bet. Result 22. Win so remove 2 from target and 1 from divisor? = 5:5 [+10]
5:5 1 unit bet. Result: 27. Lost so add one to target. = 5:6
5:6 2 unit bet. Result: 27. Lost so add two to target and one to divisor? = 6:8 [-20](1 added to div for 2nd loss)
6:8 2 unit bet. Result: 13. Lost so add 2 to target. = 6:10 [-40]
leaving you on -4, with a target of 10 to give you your original target of +6, You've had 5 losses, adding 1 to the divisors for every 2 losses (2) and 2 wins, taking off 1 divisor each time, leaving you with the original 6.
Regards,
Rudy
Hi Forum.
Yes Rudy Is correct in the way that He has explained in doing it THIS way.
Only I do it slightly different and so will You with practice....Its easier
For example
6:6 1 unit bet. Result: 19. Lost so add one unit to target. = 6:7. [-10]
19-<<is the result.....and I would already have the divisor formula written down before starting play.
19-6/6=1 <<that 1 is the amount of units bet..
19-6/6=1=7 <<that is the result of the bet unit being added to the win target Before we know the result....that way our math is done and all that remains is the Lw notation to be written down.
This way We don't get stuffed up with any amount of distractions that can happen in a Casino....like people bumping You....Talking to You....Bringing drinks to You...Looking at woman...etc
So in this case it would look like this
19-6/6=1=7-Lost
19-6/7 <<now notice this ...it has to be the same amount as it was on the line above.
It's a way to double check Yourself for mistakes and to get the correct amount to be divided for this next Bet.
So doing the whole example as You guys have done it would look like this for Me.
19-6/6=1=7 Lost
19-6/7=2=9 Lost >now the div goes up 1 to 7 because of the 2 losses in a row.
2-7/9=2=11 Won-less 4 return=7...>now the Div comes down 1 on the Win to 6
22-6/7=2=9 Won-less 4 return=5 –less win target of 6= [+10]
Let Me take time out to explain something here to You that I do.
We will call this [+10] PP it stands for Pocket Profit...or Pocket Prisoner.
That should now go into your Pocket and or put apart from you remaining Chips.
Why ?....Good question..
Simply put if I have say a $200 stop loss as an example and we have had a [+50] pocket profit.
Then we get out of there with only losing $150 in reality.
That [+50] PP should be put toward another Bank Roll or a 2nd Bank if you like.
I am only prepared to lose to the Casino what My stop loss is and Nothing More
Any PP is a Prisoner...they can not get that back at any session I play.
This may sound Trivial but its not.
It could mean the difference between Winning & Losing at the End of the Year.
Or at the very worse ending up with something out of the wreck if Your selection plan has failed You.
If this was to happen 10 times the difference is that You have given back to the Casino $2000 instead of $2500 >>that's a reduction of 25% in lost bets.
More importantly You have reduced you Losses Overall to $1500 << Does it make sense to You Now ??
I will give You this example....Where I had a bigger stop loss then normal it was 600 units...I had gone with the purpose of putting the unit size up.
Which is something I do when I Win a certain amount of the Casino's money.
The last session day of the week before Xmas I had a 520 unit loss .
Now I had already won 2 sessions for that week and I stopped 80 units short of the stop loss on this session.
That's allowed Me to still win 81% of My starting Bank for the Year.
If I had Not done that with the Pocket Profits in just that WEEK, then My winning percentage would have been 69% for the Year......Not the 81%
"Oh come on Lanky I can hear some saying that's only 12% difference."
Yeah well try and get it out of a Bloody Bank You Smart Arses that think that way.
We Continue.
Now at this point in Your use of the Divisor You have a choice.
When You are Even or at + anything You can stop & restart again.
That's the safest way to play it and while you are learning it I would recommend that you do this.
But because I started out showing You how to play it in this slightly more aggressive way I will continue in that manner which You guys have given as an example.
So continuing where we left off ,the Divisor would now be 5 and the Win target would be 5 also.
27-5/5=1=6 Lost
27-5/6=2=8 Lost..>>Divisor up to 6 now because of the 2 losses in a row.
13-6/8=2=10 Lost
Ok so the Bet Registry would look like this.
LLwwLLL = 7 bets for 2 wins & a 28.6% winning strike rate...Not real Good is it ?
Especially at odds that pay Even Money .
Another Continuing Post follows this one.
Lanky
HI Lanky and All
First thnx to Lanky and his idea to bring up the 6 point divisor plan to this site so we can apply it to roulette..
now i know how to add the 6pdp to even chnaces and the 3rd chances (dozen, column) .. but waht would be the best way to add it to the inside bets?
because i work on asystem that bets only on four numbers and it does quit well .. but i would need a idea how to apply the 6pdp to it.. to make it a perfect system... any advices Lanky or anybody else..
thnx in advance
cheerz
Had my first shot with the 6 point div plan last night at my local casino. Had to kill 2 hours so thought i would try some serious money management. Only played high/low on the even chance playing the follow the second to last spin ( trying to skim over the chops and ride the streaks ) which it did pretty nicely.
Using £3 bets to start off ( i only changed £20 into chips at the start and never had to open my wallet again ), managed to walk out with a profit of £120. Not earth shattering but very respectable unit profit. Oh and i did not use the zero bet , just the basics.
Just thought this would add a little more positive oomphh behind a very sound premise, many thanks to you Lanky for bringing this to the board.
Quotebecause I work on asystem that bets only on four numbers and it does quit well .. but I would need a idea how to apply the 6pdp to it.. to make it a perfect system... any advices Lanky or anybody else..
Hi Breeze88.
Mate because the payable odds on the bet 35/1 is higher then the [6] point Divisor.
You can do this Mate.
36/1=1x4=5 Lost
36/5=1x4=9 lost
36/9=1x4=13 lost
36/13=1x4=17 Won-36 back=+19+1 <Win taget={20} Profit.
.....................
Now assume it got this far without a winner.
36/37=2x4=45 Won-72 Back=27+1< WinTarget={28} Profit
Your a smart Guy You will have no Problem with this Concept of using a 36 point Divisor.
Any Questions just ask Mate.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
HI Lanky
Thank you for your quick answer... i will do some tests now and present them later.. and thnx again..
its quit simple... :-[ .. i dunno maybe i have my head full of so manny numbers and systems and stuff that i even cant think of some things.. for my self... ;).. i think i need a break... :) .. but first i finish these tests ... ;D
cheerz
Quote from: Big Chips on March 08, 2009, 09:10:26 PM
Had my first shot with the 6 point div plan last night at my local casino. Had to kill 2 hours so thought I would try some serious money management. Only played high/low on the even chance playing the follow the second to last spin ( trying to skim over the chops and ride the streaks ) which it did pretty nicely.
Using £3 bets to start off ( I only changed £20 into chips at the start and never had to open my wallet again ), managed to walk out with a profit of £120. Not earth shattering but very respectable unit profit. Oh and I did not use the zero bet , just the basics.
Just thought this would add a little more positive oomphh behind a very sound premise, many thanks to you Lanky for bringing this to the board.
Hi Big Chips .
You are Welcome My Friend And thanks for the Kind Words Mate.
The Divisor will Manage Your Money for You if You let it.
And on any REASONABLE Bet selection (Win Stike Rate)You will win.
This Part I had a Laugh over Cobber.
Quote( I only changed £20 into chips at the start and never had to open my wallet again ), managed to walk out with a profit of £120.Not earth shattering but very respectable unit profit.
Mate anytime You can Make 600% Profit on Your Buy In >>>RUN.Your Friend.
Lanky.
"Mate anytime You can Make 600% Profit on Your Buy In >>>RUN."
The dust is still settling ! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Lanky on November 22, 2007, 04:18:09 AM
Mate
It works best on whatever is winning..LMAO
I promised you an aggressive demo from the questions thread for ME.
I will do one here now on the evens bet.
I will be aggressive because I won't put the divisor up.
until I reach the safety brake area which is when the divisor is at 2.
Say we were betting in $10 units & we wanted to win $60 OK Mate
L=6/6=1 lost=7
L=6/7=2 lost=9
L=6/9=2 lost=11
L=6/11=2 lost=13
W=6/13=3 won=10
L=5/10=2 lost=12
L=5/12=3 lost=15
L=5/15=3 lost=18
L=5/18=4 lost=22
W=5/22=5 Won=17
W=4/17=5 Won=12
L=3/12=4 lost=16
L=3/16=6 lost=22
W=3/22=8 won=14
Now the divisor would be 2.
But we don;t want out bets to sky rocket out of control so we add the Safety Brake.
Which simply is that we add another 6 point div to another target of 6
Like this
2/14 +
6/6
........
8/22=3 to bet........see that Mate if we had not done this our next bet would have been 7 now its only 3.
Hi Lanky, I am bit confused here, shouldn't this be 2/14 + 6/6 = 8/20? or am I missing something?
W=8/22=3 won=19
L=7/19=3 lost=22
L=7/22=4 lost=26
W=7/26=4 won=22
W=6/22=4 won=18
W=5/18=4 won=14
L=4/14=4 lost=18
W=4/18=5 won=13
W=3/13=5 won=8
Now see whats happened here...
we started out wanting a 6 unit win..but we added another 6 unit target=12 win target
we have 8 left.....so eight from 12=4 units profit.
So we have already won $40 of the $60 we wanted.
But we are in front.....So why tempt fate.....we will start again.
With the original 6/6=1 to bet
We had 23 bets for 10 wins & 13 loses
And we started out terrible (on purpose) with only 4 wins in the first 14 bets.
Your Friend
Lanky
Quote from: Lanky on November 22, 2007, 04:18:09 AM
Mate
It works best on whatever is winning..LMAO
I promised you an aggressive demo from the questions thread for ME.
I will do one here now on the evens bet.
I will be aggressive because I won't put the divisor up.
until I reach the safety brake area which is when the divisor is at 2.
Say we were betting in $10 units & we wanted to win $60 OK Mate
L=6/6=1 lost=7
L=6/7=2 lost=9
L=6/9=2 lost=11
L=6/11=2 lost=13
W=6/13=3 won=10
L=5/10=2 lost=12
L=5/12=3 lost=15
L=5/15=3 lost=18
L=5/18=4 lost=22
W=5/22=5 Won=17
W=4/17=5 Won=12
L=3/12=4 lost=16
L=3/16=6 lost=22
W=3/22=8 won=14
Now the divisor would be 2.
But we don;t want out bets to sky rocket out of control so we add the Safety Brake.
Which simply is that we add another 6 point div to another target of 6
Like this
2/14 +
6/6
........
8/22=3 to bet........see that Mate if we had not done this our next bet would have been 7 now its only 3.
W=8/22=3 won=19
L=7/19=3 lost=22
L=7/22=4 lost=26
W=7/26=4 won=22
W=6/22=4 won=18
W=5/18=4 won=14
L=4/14=4 lost=18
W=4/18=5 won=13
W=3/13=5 won=8
Now see whats happened here...
we started out wanting a 6 unit win..but we added another 6 unit target=12 win target
we have 8 left.....so eight from 12=4 units profit.
So we have already won $40 of the $60 we wanted.
But we are in front.....So why tempt fate.....we will start again.
With the original 6/6=1 to bet
We had 23 bets for 10 wins & 13 loses
And we started out terrible (on purpose) with only 4 wins in the first 14 bets.
Your Friend
Lanky
QuoteNow the divisor would be 2.
But we don;t want out bets to sky rocket out of control so we add the Safety Brake.
Which simply is that we add another 6 point div to another target of 6
Like this
2/14 +
6/6
........
8/22=3 to bet........see that Mate if we had not done this our next bet would have been 7 now its only 3.
Hi Lanky, I am bit confused here, shouldn't this be 2/14 + 6/6 = 8/20? or am I missing something?
Hi ozshabs .
You are 100 % correct My Friend.....so no need for you to be confused.
I can see what I did,
I added the the the Divisor total of 8 to the 14 Win Target instead of the 6 << My mistake Mate....
It happens at times...I am human Mate.
I will go back in and Change it Mate...It won't make a difference to THAT bet...it will be same but the totals will be different.
The end Result will be that we win another unit.
Thanks for picking that up Cobber.I am Grateful fo You doing so.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Ps: Its done and it now looks like this.
QuoteLike this
2/14 +
6/6
........
8/20=3 to bet........see that Mate if we had not done this our next bet would have been 7 now its only 3.
W=8/20=3 won=17
L=7/17=3 lost=20
L=7/20=3 lost=23
W=7/23=4 won=19
W=6/19=4 won=15
W=5/15=3 won=12
L=4/12=3 lost=15
W=4/15=4 won=11
W=3/11=4 won=7
Now see whats happened here...
we started out wanting a 6 unit win..but we added another 6 unit target=12 win target
we have 7 left.....so seven from 12=5 units profit.
So we have already won $50 of the $60 we wanted.
But we are in front.....So why tempt fate.....we will start again.
With the original 6/6=1 to bet
We had 23 bets for 10 wins & 13 loses
And we started out terrible (on purpose) with only 4 wins in the first 14 bets.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi People.
Look Marven has come up with a very clever Betting Plan.
Here's the link.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/marven's-5-level-staking-plan/msg62779/#msg62779
I can see a lot of merit in it.
However seeing that the Divisor was mentioned I decide to do it on Marven's results.
Here it is.
Well here is what happened Playing the 2 Dozens or Columns Etc using the Divisor.
Without using a Timeline Strategy Play.
And I will play it by using the 6/6 Method.
L-6/6=1x1=8 lost
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost ..div up to 7
W-7/12=2x2=16 won-less 6 return=10 div down to 6
W-6/10=2x2=14 won-less 6 return=8 div down to 5
W-5/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 return=6 =Even = Start again
W-6/6-1x1 Won ={+1}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+1={+2}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+2={+3}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+3={4}+
L-6/6=1x1=8 lost
W-6/8=2x2=12-less 6 return=Eve and Start again.
W-6/6=1x1=+1+4={+5}
L-6/6=1x1=8 Lost
W-6/8=2x2=12-less 6 back=Even and start again
W-6/6=1x1=+1+5={+6}
W-6/6=1x1=+1+6={+7}
L-6/6=1x1 lost=8
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost =Div up to 7
L-7/12=2x2=16 lost
L-7/16=3x3=22 lost=Div up to 8
L-8/22=3x3=28 lost=
W-8/28=4x4=36 won-less 12 back=24=Div down to 7
W-7/24=4x4=32 won-less 12 back=20=div down to 6
L-6/20=4x4=28 lost
W-6/28=5x5=38 won-less 15 back=23=div down to 5
W-5/23=5x5=33 won-less 15 back=18=Div down to 4
W-4/18=5x5=28 won-less 15 back=13=div down to 3
W-3/13=5x5=23 won –less 15 back=8=div down to 2
add safety brake=2/8+6/6=8/14=2x2 to bet (win target now 12)
L-8/14=2x2=18 lost
W-8/18=3x3=24 won-less 9 back=15=div down to 7
W-7/15=3x3=21 won-less 9 back=12=Even and Restart
L-6/6=1x1=8 lost
W-6/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 back=6=Even and Restart
W-6/6=1x1=+1+7={+8}
W-6/6=1x1=+1+8={+9}
W-6/6=1x1=+1+9={+10}
L-6/6=1x1=8 Lost
W-6/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 back=Even and Restart
W-6/6=1x1=+1+10={+11}
L-6/6=1x1=8 Lost
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost=iv up to 7
W-7/12=2x2=16 won-less 6 back=10=div down to 6
W-6/10=2x2=14 won-less 6 back=8=Div down to 5
w-5/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 back=Even
This was the Finish.
And there was a Profit of {+11}
At this stage below which was taken from the bad part of above.
L-6/6=1x1 lost=8
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost =Div up to 7
L-7/12=2x2=16 lost
L-7/16=3x3=22 lost=Div up to 8
L-8/22=3x3=28 lost=
W-8/28=4x4=36 won-less 12 back=24=Div down to 7
W-7/24=4x4=32 won-less 12 back=20=div down to 6
L-6/20=4x4=28 lost
There was only 2 Wins in 8 Bets.
And the next Bet was 5.
Now please don't take this the wrong way.
This is not a Pissing Contest.
I did this here so that I would not Hijack Marven's thread.
He actually has given Me an idea where it may be possible to combine the both of them and get the best from each of them at the same time.
I am very busy at the moment but as time goes by I am sure Marv & I can get this sucker to work as a Combination.
We will see what Happens in the future as I/We do some tweaks.combining etc.
Great Work Marven My Mate.
Lanky.
@Natural9.
Rodney My Mate....By mistake I removed your post.
Would You like to repost it Mate.
Sorry Cobber.....I will Pm this to You as Well Mate.
Lanky
Quote from: Lanky on June 03, 2009, 11:59:44 PM
Hi People.
Look Marven has come up with a very clever Betting Plan.
Here's the link.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/marven's-5-level-staking-plan/msg62779/#msg62779
I can see a lot of merit in it.
However seeing that the Divisor was mentioned I decide to do it on Marven's results.
Here it is.
Well here is what happened Playing the 2 Dozens or Columns Etc using the Divisor.
Without using a Timeline Strategy Play.
And I will play it by using the 6/6 Method.
L-6/6=1x1=8 lost
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost ..div up to 7
W-7/12=2x2=16 won-less 6 return=10 div down to 6
W-6/10=2x2=14 won-less 6 return=8 div down to 5
W-5/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 return=6 =Even = Start again
W-6/6-1x1 Won ={+1}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+1={+2}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+2={+3}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+3={4}+
L-6/6=1x1=8 lost
W-6/8=2x2=12-less 6 return=Eve and Start again.
W-6/6=1x1=+1+4={+5}
L-6/6=1x1=8 Lost
W-6/8=2x2=12-less 6 back=Even and start again
W-6/6=1x1=+1+5={+6}
W-6/6=1x1=+1+6={+7}
L-6/6=1x1 lost=8
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost =Div up to 7
L-7/12=2x2=16 lost
L-7/16=3x3=22 lost=Div up to 8
L-8/22=3x3=28 lost=
W-8/28=4x4=36 won-less 12 back=24=Div down to 7
W-7/24=4x4=32 won-less 12 back=20=div down to 6
L-6/20=4x4=28 lost
W-6/28=5x5=38 won-less 15 back=23=div down to 5
W-5/23=5x5=33 won-less 15 back=18=Div down to 4
W-4/18=5x5=28 won-less 15 back=13=div down to 3
W-3/13=5x5=23 won –less 15 back=8=div down to 2
add safety brake=2/8+6/6=8/14=2x2 to bet (win target now 12)
L-8/14=2x2=18 lost
W-8/18=3x3=24 won-less 9 back=15=div down to 7
W-7/15=3x3=21 won-less 9 back=12=Even and Restart
L-6/6=1x1=8 lost
W-6/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 back=6=Even and Restart
W-6/6=1x1=+1+7={+8}
W-6/6=1x1=+1+8={+9}
W-6/6=1x1=+1+9={+10}
L-6/6=1x1=8 Lost
W-6/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 back=Even and Restart
W-6/6=1x1=+1+10={+11}
L-6/6=1x1=8 Lost
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost=iv up to 7
W-7/12=2x2=16 won-less 6 back=10=div down to 6
W-6/10=2x2=14 won-less 6 back=8=Div down to 5
w-5/8=2x2=12 won-less 6 back=Even
This was the Finish.
And there was a Profit of {+11}
At this stage below which was taken from the bad part of above.
L-6/6=1x1 lost=8
L-6/8=2x2=12 lost =Div up to 7
L-7/12=2x2=16 lost
L-7/16=3x3=22 lost=Div up to 8
L-8/22=3x3=28 lost=
W-8/28=4x4=36 won-less 12 back=24=Div down to 7
W-7/24=4x4=32 won-less 12 back=20=div down to 6
L-6/20=4x4=28 lost
There was only 2 Wins in 8 Bets.
And the next Bet was 5.
Now please don't take this the wrong way.
This is not a Pissing Contest.
I did this here so that I would not Hijack Marven's thread.
He actually has given Me an idea where it may be possible to combine the both of them and get the best from each of them at the same time.
I am very busy at the moment but as time goes by I am sure Marv & I can get this sucker to work as a Combination.
We will see what Happens in the future as I/We do some tweaks.combining etc.
Great Work Marven My Mate.
Lanky.
Here is my post again
Looking forward to it Lanky me mate anything to try lessen the risk for profit
Regads Rodney
Hi all,
I already PM'd Lanky - but I just want to put here another big THANK YOU for your conversion of the 6 point divisor to roulette. Progressions are over and done with for me :agree: I will solely be using this as my money management system as it's been working great for me. Strongly encourage people to learn this method, because this coupled with a decent betting strategy (another hint, learn Lw's! lol) is enough to get you going in the right direction. Hopefully, upwards...as in your bank roll ;D
Hey, hey, another follower for you, Lanky! It's good to know that [sensible] people are making the transition to divisorism. Must be used with discipline, though. If you can manage that, you're using the best staking plan there is. Also, divisors are highly configurable and can be applied to pretty much anything with an adequate hit rate.
:thumbsup:
@celiza427
Thank You for You kind words.
Your a nice Lady.(Mate) << Lmao
@Number Six .
You are spot on My Mate...
Well put Cobber.
{divisorism.} << Lmao
Lanky.
Hey Lanky, thanks for posting this seemingly great MM method...I just had a few questions to start with:
- how would you apply this to a system where you play 2 columns, would you increase the divisor after 4 losses in a row or 2 losses (actually i think i just found a post on the previous page where you play 2 columns, looks like you increase the divisor after 2 losses in a row)
- also, what would happen if I instead aimed to make only 1 unit per session, instead of 6 units, what changes would have to be made to the divisor plan?
I guess you just stop when you win 1 unit? :scratch_ones_head:
hey Lanky, been studying this a bit lately and have another question, this time regarding the safety brake application...
I understand how you apply the safety brake when the divisor gets too low say like 2 or 3, then you add 6 to both divisor and target, however, do you ever apply a safety brake when the ratio between divisor and target is too high? For example, say the target for whatever reason was 72 and the divisor was only 6, meaning a bet of 12 units, would you apply a safety brake here, and if so how much?
At what ratio between divisor and target would you apply a safety brake, 10:1, 12:1, etc, or would you just ride out the session?
Thanks for all your help!
@WhiteKnight.
Sorry for the delayed replies I have been very busy and out most of today.
Quote from: WhiteKnight on June 06, 2009, 04:10:47 AM
Hey Lanky, thanks for posting this seemingly great MM method...I just had a few questions to start with:
- how would you apply this to a system where you play 2 columns, would you increase the divisor after 4 losses in a row or 2 losses (actually I think I just found a post on the previous page where you play 2 columns, looks like you increase the divisor after 2 losses in a row)
- also, what would happen if I instead aimed to make only 1 unit per session, instead of 6 units, what changes would have to be made to the divisor plan?
Yes My Friend You did find the answer to Your First Question Yourself.......2 Dozens or 2 Columns =LL >>Divisor up One.
QuoteI guess you just stop when you win 1 unit?
That's a good answer from Vix to Your 2nd question Mate.
You could fiddle around with with 2/2 Divisor if You wanted to but overall I thinks its a lot safer with the 6/6 Divisor.
Lanky.
Hey Lanky thanks for answering that...I'll stick with the 6/6 and see how it goes...not sure if you missed my other question above (sorry for asking so many questions) regarding the safety brake application?
I'm sorry for stupid question, but where I can find link with full Lw system
Quote from: freestyler on June 09, 2009, 04:15:55 PM
I'm sorry for stupid question, but where I can find link with full Lw system
Check out this thread ;)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/victor's-lw-and-lanky's-6-point-divisor-methods-reference-thread/
Quote from: WhiteKnight on June 09, 2009, 12:38:41 PM
Hey Lanky thanks for answering that...I'll stick with the 6/6 and see how it goes...not sure if you missed my other question above (sorry for asking so many questions) regarding the safety brake application?
Hi Mate.
No I have not forgotten about it....just very busy at the moment.
But the way You have that particular post worded will require a lengthy reply as Your not just asking one Question and You have not given Me any indication as what You playing with it.
EG:=Single numbers,Evens,Dozens x1 or x2 etc.
And as I do want to be as helpful as I can & I want to get it right for You but as You have that post right now there is multiple answers required to satisfy You with answers.
I will come back to that post in a few hours and do My best for You or/and You could maybe tell Me exactly what Your playing or leave it and I will answer it all for You as Quick as I can ...but it will be a bit Later.
Lanky.
Hey Lanky me old mate I gots a question for you as well well two actually howyou going with your hybrid strategy incorpoorting divisor and Marvens plan and also with your usage of the divisor methods has it ever got out of hand where you had to abandon a run and if not what is the highest bet you have had to go to on sy the 2 dozens or even the EC bets thanks in advance mate
Regard Rodney
sorry Lanky, i am wanting to play with 2 columns at a time...no rush to answer, just thought the post got missed. Thanks when you have time :)
Can someone explain what is zero pocket? This is just to bet on Zero or else? thanks
Quote from: freestyler on June 11, 2009, 05:39:16 PM
Can someone explain what is zero pocket? This is just to bet on Zero or else? thanks
Zero pocket bet on the Euoropean wheel one chip on 0.1.2.3
Hi lanky..
Can you help me on how to apply 6 point devisor on this.. ...
Example: the liability if I lose is 50% of my bet. (example: I place a usd 20 to win 20 but if I lose, I only lose usd 10.)
I ned a good progression (not a explosive progression)
Please kindly suggest me a good progression..
Quotehey Lanky, been studying this a bit lately and have another question, this time regarding the safety brake application...
I understand how you apply the safety brake when the divisor gets too low say like 2 or 3, then you add 6 to both divisor and target, however, do you ever apply a safety brake when the ratio between divisor and target is too high? For example, say the target for whatever reason was 72 and the divisor was only 6, meaning a bet of 12 units, would you apply a safety brake here, and if so how much?
At what ratio between divisor and target would you apply a safety brake, 10:1, 12:1, etc, or would you just ride out the session?
Thanks for all your help!
Hi Mate.
Thank You for Your Patients.
My Mum is suspected of having signs of Dementia so I am sure You Understand that I am doing all I can to help.
OK Now it will Depend on each players Tolerance and the Win rate of the Selection method Plus whatever STOP LOSS they have in place.
Now if You have reached the stage of 6/72=12x12 then Your Method has had a real Bad Run especially if You have started with 6/6=1x1.
OK that aside I normally have between 100 to 200 unit stop loss on the lower bets.
Of course the higher the Unit I play the lower the stop loss.
Now You can do a Couple of things here at 6/72=12x12=96
If it was Me I would have that bet.
Now You can merrily continue on with this session from hell Your having if that bet lost or You can things like this.
6/96 + a 6/6 safety brake
Now its
12/102=9x9..........Now you need 10 wins or there about and Your Win target is now {12}.
And if You have realized this is a session fro Hell you can do the real smart thing and do this.
1) Walk away.
2) Or Adjust Your formula to this 12/51
3) So You Divisor is now 12 and Your win target is {12}
4) In other words Win it in 2 Lower sessions.
I hope I have been some help My Friend.
And if You have any More Questions just ask.
Your Friend Lanky.
Quote from: Natural9 on June 09, 2009, 09:20:01 PM
Hey Lanky me old mate I gots a question for you as well well two actually howyou going with your hybrid strategy incorpoorting divisor and Marvens plan and also with your usage of the divisor methods has it ever got out of hand where you had to abandon a run and if not what is the highest bet you have had to go to on sy the 2 dozens or even the EC bets thanks in advance mate
Regard Rodney
Rodney My Mate.
As You Know from our phone call the other day I am Busier then a Lizard Drinking Mate.
The hybrid thing between Marven's and the Divisor is on Hold at least for 2 weeks or more or even twice as long as that it will be so until I sort out things with Mum.
Yes Mate as You Know no one can Win every session so I am no different I have lost 5 sessions over the last 2 years +.
Thanks for the Phone call the other day Cobber.
Good OnYa mate.
Lanky.
Quote from: StarStar on June 11, 2009, 10:12:01 PM
Hi lanky..
Can you help me on how to apply 6 point devisor on this.. ...
Example: the liability if I lose is 50% of my bet. (example: I place a usd 20 to win 20 but if I lose, I only lose usd 10.)
I ned a good progression (not a explosive progression)
Please kindly suggest me a good progression..
StarStar.
Mate Check Your PM box.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on June 13, 2009, 06:32:58 AM
Rodney My Mate.
As You Know from our phone call the other day I am Busier then a Lizard Drinking Mate.
The hybrid thing between Marven's and the Divisor is on Hold at least for 2 weeks or more or even twice as long as that it will be so until I sort out things with Mum.
Yes Mate as You Know no one can Win every session so I am no different I have lost 5 sessions over the last 2 years +.
Thanks for the Phone call the other day Cobber.
Good OnYa mate.
Lanky.
Hey Lanky Me mate how you doing
Are you able to update us on your hybrid thingy with Mavens staking plan I know you been busy with life in General so maybe you not got back to it tc mate
Regards Rodney
QuoteHey Lanky Me mate how you doing
Are you able to update us on your hybrid thingy with Mavens staking plan I know you been busy with life in General so maybe you not got back to it tc mate
Regards Rodney
Hi Rod.
No sorry Mate I can't find a way to carry the Zero or the Zero pocket bet with Marv's Way.
So I will stay with what I have.
Lanky.
Where is this hybrid located? I can not find it.
Quote from: hot vegas night on August 17, 2009, 08:33:23 AM
Where is this hybrid located? I can not find it.
Hi Mate.
There was never one done by Me.
As I said in and for the same reason's in the Quote below.
QuoteHi Rod.
No sorry Mate I can't find a way to carry the Zero or the Zero pocket bet with Marv's Way.
So I will stay with what I have.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky,
I am curious, how would you adapt the 6-point Divisor Plan to a strategy hat has the following risk/reward ratio:
Risk: 1 Unit
Reward: 0. 66 Unit
I am trying to adapt this strategy to a Forex system that has a stop loss/take profit where you risk 1 unit, so if you lose, you lose one unit, but if you win, you win 0. 66 unit (in other words, the stop loss is 15 pips but the take profit is 10 pips).
Thanks mate for any help or advice you can provide!
-Christian
Quote from: SmartGXL on August 30, 2009, 09:34:35 PM
Hi Lanky,
I am curious, how would you adapt the 6-point Divisor Plan to a strategy hat has the following risk/reward ratio:
Risk: 1 Unit
Reward: 0. 66 Unit
I am trying to adapt this strategy to a Forex system that has a stop loss/take profit where you risk 1 unit, so if you lose, you lose one unit, but if you win, you win 0. 66 unit (in other words, the stop loss is 15 pips but the take profit is 10 pips).
Thanks mate for any help or advice you can provide!
-Christian
Hi Christian.
Mate I really don't like to get involved with the Stock market or Forex with the Divisor...
I rarely do continue any conversation about it at all.....there are Brokers fees to take into account and the Divisor was not designed for that......Unless that Fee is going to be included in the Win target ...then I guess that could work.....but it might automatically mean that Your unit would have to be higher to accommodate such a thing.
(there is more involved then a straight out bet so You can see why I don't like it now)
However If I have got this right about what Your saying is that You Invest a $1 and if it goes up a Pip(whatever that is ) You get a return of $1.66 is that Correct.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky
I have a system and was wondering if the 6 point plan could be incorporated or perhaps a suitable progression system.
I Play 6 numbers at a time. My stats are
Hit on spin 1 = 17%
Hit on spin 2 = 17%
Hit on spin 3 = 10%
Hit on spin 4 = 10%
Hit on spin 5 = 9%
Hit on spin 6 = 7%
Hit on spin 7 = 4%
Hit on spin 8 = 7%
Hit on spin 9 = 4%
Hit on spin 10 = 3%
Spins exceeding 10 = 13%
I am toying with a progression system and a cut off after 5 spins, which means also having to make up the losses. Pay out of 35:1 less the 5 of 6 chips betted also needs to be factored in.
Any ideas or contributions would be most welcome
Hi Mate .
On Single number betting I would use a 35/1 or a 36/1 Divisor.
My preference is for a 36/1 Divisor.
Which means to use a 36 Divisor with a (1) Win target.
I will do an example here for You My Friend...
With an 11 loss sequence Playing 6 numbers.
01-36/1=6=7 lost
02-36/7=6=13 lost
03-36/13=6=19 lost
04-36/19=6=25 lost
05-36/25=6=31 lost
06-36/31-6=37 lost <<You would Break even Here if it had Won
Because it would be 37-36 back=1-(1) Win Target=Even
07-36/37=12=49 lost
08-36/49=12=61 lost
09-36/61=12=73 lost. << Same here You would be Even if it had Won
10-36/73=18=91 lost
11-36/91=18=109 << Same here if it Won You would be Even again.
12-36/109=24=133 Won-Less144 back=11+(1)={+12} Profit.
But what would happen if the 12th Bet lost the 13th Bet would look like this now.
13-36/133=24=157 Lost (And Had that WON it would now be –144= -13)
And You would require another win but it would be like this
14-36/13=6=19 Won –36 back= +17+(1)={+18} Profit
Of course at anytime You thought that the Bets were getting too high You could add another 36 Divisor.
Like say Your limit was a 36 Bet and that lost , lets say the 12th bet lost.
You could continue like this.
12-36/109=24=133 Lost
13-36/133=24=157 Lost
14-36/157=30=187 lost
15-36/187=36=223 lost
So if this were to happen Your next Bet rounded up would be 42
But You don't want to go past 36
So what You do is add another Divisor.
Like this.
16-72/223=24=247 Won-144=103 >>Divisor back to 36 Now.
17-36/103=18=121 Won-108=13
18-36/13=6=19 Won-36=17+(1)={+18} Profit.
By adding More Divisors the Bets remain lower but You will Require an extra Win or Two Mate.
In the end it will all come down to the Strike Rate of You Method (the more the better)
And also each individual players tolerance for higher Bets.
Also when to walk away taking as small a Loss as possible will always help.
MattyMattz and others Do/Have used this Similar type of Divisor in the past.
Maybe they would be so kind as to post some hints as to way they do things.
Well I have done My Best for You My Friend.
I have taken You to the 18th Bet with all different types of scenarios .
(Hopefully without Mistakes.....LoL)
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Thanks for the in depth reply
Regards
CHRIS
I've got a casino near me (within 15 minutes) that has RNG roulette. It is basically a giant plasma TV in the center of 12 seats. On that screen an animated "dealer" spins a ball around an "animated" wheel.
I occasionally go there with my girlfriend for a couple of hours just for fun. I don't use any system anymore when I go, but I do employ money management "methods". I've been using "The Midas Touch" for awhile now (fails long term of course) but it keeps me at the table for awhile and sometimes pays for my drinks at least.
I'm interested in coding this 6 point divisor plan just to see how it does over the course of 1 or 2 hundred spins. The thing is, when I code it I can only code it one one bet selection in mind.
Any suggestions on the bet selection I should use when I code it Lanky?
Lanky thanks for your reply.
You are very helpful as always.
But I think it would be more easy to understand if you wrote it like 1/36 instead of 36/1.
QuoteI'm interested in coding this 6 point divisor plan just to see how it does over the course of 1 or 2 hundred spins. The thing is, when I code it I can only code it one one bet selection in mind.
Any suggestions on the bet selection I should use when I code it Lanky?
HI RJ.
Sorry for the Delayed reply Mate.
It depends on what Your going to code it for My Mate.
I will leave the Betting selection to You Cobber.....
You might want to Play the DBL or FLD as an Example on Evens....or the LD ,LC,JD,JC on the Dozens and Columns.
On Evens it will depend on if You are going to be aggressive or do it the Safer way like I have done in most of the examples with the 6 Pt Divisor.
And put it up on every 2 Losses and Down 1 on every Win.
Do the same if Your Betting either 2 Dozens or 2 Columns as Your Bet.
However If Your going to Bet on a Single Dozen or Column put it up 1 one every 4 Losses.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Quote from: kav on September 08, 2009, 08:38:07 PM
Lanky thanks for your reply.
You are very helpful as always.
But I think it would be more easy to understand if you wrote it like 1/36 instead of 36/1.
Hi Kav.
Thanks for the kind words My Friend.
However as to how I put the Divisor in My Posts are the exact same way as it was taught to Me out here in the Australian Schools.
Its the same as its done in England ......and after all Our Aussies ancestors were originally sent out Here by The English as convicts....so there fore We adopted their ways of doing things.
And thats how they said to do it and our ancestors obeyed......They had too they were in chains.........Lmao.
Those Guys sure knew what they were doing when they sent us out here in this beautiful sunshine.....LoL
We always Divide This way 36/1.
The American Influenced Countries do it the other way 1/36.<<<To us that would mean 1 into 36=36
Its back to front to us....But then again We think they drive on the wrong side of the Road as Well..........Lmao
Not all Cultures are the same My Friend.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky, I have been studying and practicing the Six Point Plan and I am confused about just one thing-- When I want to reduce my bets, do I add +6 to the Divisor and + 12 to the Target, or +6 to the Divisor and +6 to the Target? I read and saw that to reduce bets I could add +6 to the Divisor and +12 to the Target, and/or add again in this way, but I also read and saw to add +6 to the Divisor and same to the Target, so I am confused as to which to do. I will be betting only the E.C.s, always starting Target $30, Divisor 6, $5 bet. Thank you for your help and thanks for the Plan.
Quote from: simon on October 04, 2009, 09:21:52 PM
Hi Lanky, I have been studying and practicing the Six Point Plan and I am confused about just one thing-- When I want to reduce my bets, do I add +6 to the Divisor and + 12 to the Target, or +6 to the Divisor and +6 to the Target? I read and saw that to reduce bets I could add +6 to the Divisor and +12 to the Target, and/or add again in this way, but I also read and saw to add +6 to the Divisor and same to the Target, so I am confused as to which to do. I will be betting only the E.C.s, always starting Target $30, Divisor 6, $5 bet. Thank you for your help and thanks for the Plan.
Hi Simon.
Well My Friend both ways are correct.
I think You are talking about a few Different Ways here My Mate.
(1)>6/6=1 unit to bet...so Yes further down the track You would/could add another 6/6 to what You have left.
(2)>6/12=2 Units to bet.....and again You would/could add another 6/12 to what have left.
The 2nd way is slightly more aggressive as Your trying to win twice as much with the same amount of Wins = 6.
In the end it will come down to how the Players Tolerance for Higher Bets is when that type of Pressure comes.
..........................................
(3) You say Your going to bet 6/30=5.
Now there is a Difference with that Mate.
But before I comment on that could You do say 10 to 20 Numbers with the Lw's alongside them and How You think it should be played.
And then I will show You the Pro's and Con's of doing it the way You show Me.
You don't have to put Your System here if You don't want to....just some made up Lw Notations will be OK Cobber.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky, the reason I got confused is because early on you showed example:
Divisor Target
2 5
Bring in new divisor
6 12
New divisor/target
8 17
so that was adding 6 to divisor and 12 to target, and then later you said when adding more to target and divisor, "I always add another dvisor of 6 + 6 more to target" and showed play where this is done. Maybe though in first example this was for 2 for 1 bets and second was for ec.s and that is why the difference? I will be playing ec.s so do I always add equal amounts to target and divisor?
I will show 2 sessions I played on ec.s and copy how I recorded it but you must forgive me, I cannot get used to having divisor on left and target on right because here in U.S. the divisor is always on right (one half= 1/2= .5) So please understand the target and divisor numbers are reversed, also when I round up or down, if .5 or more I round up, if less than .5 I round down.
T/D= Bet
30/6 = 5 W+5
25/5= 5 L -5/0
30/5= 6 L-6/-6
36/6=6 W+6/0
30/5=6 W+6/6
24/4=6 L -6/0
30/4=8 L-8/-8
38/5=8 L-8/-16
46/6=8 W+8/-8
38/5=8 W+8/0
30/4=8 L-8/-8
38/4=10 L-10/-18
48/5=10 W+10/-8
38/4=10 W+10/+2
28/3=9 L-9/-7
37/3=12 L-12/-19
49/4+12 W+12/-7
37/3=12 W+12/+5
25/2=13 L-13/-8
38/2= 19 W+19/+11
19/1= 19 L-19/-8
38/1= 38 L-38/-46
76/2=38 W+38/-8
38/1= 38 W+38/+30 game over
T/D= Bet
30/5=5 L-5/-5
35/6=6 W+6/+1
29/5=6 W+6/+7
23/4=6 L-6/+1
29/4=7 L-7/-6
36/5=7 L-7/-13
43/5=9 L-9/-22
52/6=9 W+9/-13
43/5=9 W+9/-4
34/4=9 W+9/+5
25/3=8 L-8/-3
33/3=11 L-11/-14
44/4=11 W+11/-3
33/3=11 W+11/+8
22/2=11 L-11/-3
33/2=17 L-17/-20
50/3=17 L-17/-37
67/3=22 L-22/-59
89/4=22 W+22/-37
67/3=22 L-22/-59
89/3=29 W+29/-30
60/2=30 W+30/0
30/1=30 W+30/30 game over
QuoteHi Lanky, the reason I got confused is because early on you showed example:
Divisor Target
2 5
Bring in new divisor
6 12 <<< Ok so if that was the Case then in that Example We must have been playing the 6/12 to start with ??
New divisor/target
8 17 <<or otherwise We can't get this Total.(Unless I did Something wrong )
so that was adding 6 to divisor and 12 to target, and then later you said when adding more to target and divisor, "I always add another dvisor of 6 + 6 more to target" and showed play where this is done.
Can You put the link Here Mate
Maybe though in first example this was for 2 for 1 bets and second was for ec.s and that is why the difference?
Ahhh Now that would explain the difference if there on Different things like the EC and the Dozens.
I will be playing ec.s so do I always add equal amounts to target and divisor?
I will show 2 sessions I played on ec.s and copy how I recorded it but you must forgive me, I cannot get used to having divisor on left and target on right because here in U.S. the divisor is always on right (one half= 1/2= .5) So please understand the target and divisor numbers are reversed, also when I round up or down, if .5 or more I round up, if less than .5 I round down.
Ok Thats Cool I can Follow the Divisor being written back to front Mate.
The only thing is that I ALWAYS round UP not DOWN.
I will look at You sessions and get back to You Mate.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
QuoteDivisor Target
2 5
Bring in new divisor
6 12 <<< Ok so if that was the Case then in that Example We must have been playing the 6/12 to start with ??
New divisor/target
8 17 <<or otherwise We can't get this Total.(Unless I did Something wrong )
.............. ah yes that's correct. ok so, if I am always going to start target 30 divisor 6 (to start $5 betting on ecs), then if I want to reduce my bets at some point, do I always add +30 to target and +6 to divisor?
When you added +6 to divisor and target was in your Reply 3, 11/18/07, and you started 6/6 so now I guess I understand we add same amount to target and divisor that we start out at, correct?
Quote1)>6/6=1 unit to bet...so Yes further down the track You would/could add another 6/6 to what You have left.
(2)>6/12=2 Units to bet.....and again You would/could add another 6/12 to what have left.
The 2nd way is slightly more aggressive as Your trying to win twice as much with the same amount of Wins = 6.
........... if 6/12 is more aggressive than 6/6, then is 6/30 more aggressive than 6/12? I cannot bet less than $5 and I want to start at $5 bets.
(I guess ending up making $30 bets after 20 spins to win the $30 is not quite right, when one winning $30 bet at beginning of game would have got the job done-- but, ofcourse you would normally need to get several winning and losing bets in to get to that end point when the final winning bet secures your win goal.)
Quote from: simon on October 05, 2009, 09:38:30 AM
.............. ah yes that's correct. ok so, if I am always going to start target 30 divisor 6 (to start $5 betting on ecs), then if I want to reduce my bets at some point, do I always add +30 to target and +6 to divisor?
Hang On Tiger Your going to fast for Me to reply to You in a way that Others can understand it as well.
I have something Interesting to show You in a Few Minutes My Mate.
There is a Difference by doing it in Dollar amounts and in Units as You will see.
When you added +6 to divisor and target was in your Reply 3, 11/18/07, and you started 6/6 so now I guess I understand we add same amount to target and divisor that we start out at, correct?
I think this is the Link below that Your Referring to.......and Yes that would be Correct.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg266/#msg266 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg266/#msg266)
........... if 6/12 is more aggressive than 6/6, then is 6/30 more aggressive than 6/12? I cannot bet less than $5 and I want to start at $5 bets.
Hhahhahah Just be a little patient My Mate.....as I said earlier there is a Difference between doing it with Dollar amounts and Units.......Hang On Champion there are some replies coming Your way Shortly.
I won't let You down My Mate ........I promise........Lanky.
Wow Simon Your a Hot & Aggressive Playing like that.
Let Me see if I can Cool You down a Little Mate in this post,which is done in a Passive Safe way.(In Blue)
NOW before You reply to this post wait for the next one to come We both might learn something My Mate.
In the next Post now that I know Your an aggressive Player I will go there with You only it will be done in Units and NOT Dollars Mate.....That way You will see the Difference I am talking about.
OK So Your starting out with a Win Target of (30)
T/D= Bet
30/6 = 5 W+5 <> {+5} Profit>Start again
25/5= 5 L -5/0==6/(30)=5=35 lost
30/5= 6 L-6/-6==6/35=6=41 lost >Div to 7
36/6=6 W+6/0==7/41=6=47-12 back=35 >Div to 6
30/5=6 W+6/6==6/35=6=41-12 back=29-(30)=+1+5={+6} Profit>Start again
24/4=6 L -6/0==6/(30)=5=35 lost
30/4=8 L-8/-8==6/35=6=41 lost>Div to 7
38/5=8 L-8/-16==7/41=6=47 lost
46/6=8 W+8/-8==7/47=7=54-14 back=40>Div to 6
38/5=8 W+8/0==6/40=7=47-14 back=33>Div to 5
30/4=8 L-8/-8==5/33=6=39 lost
38/4=10 L-10/-18==5/39=8=47 lost>Div to 6
48/5=10 W+10/-8==6/47=8=55-16 back=39>Div to 5
38/4=10 W+10/+2==5/39=8=47-16 back=31>Div to 4
28/3=9 L-9/-7==4/31==8=39 lost
37/3=12 L-12/-19==4/39=10=49 lost>Div to 5
49/4+12 W+12/-7==5/49=10=69-20 back=49>Div to 4
37/3=12 W+12/+5==4/49==13=62-24 back=38>Div to 3
25/2=13 L-13/-8==3/38=13=51 lost
38/2= 19 W+19/+11==3/51=17=68-34 back=35 >Div to 2 <Add Safety Brake of 6/30 as below.
2/35 +
6/30
...............
8/65 >>Win target Now (60)
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19/1= 19 L-19/-8=8==8/65=9=74 lost
38/1= 38 L-38/-46==8/74=10=84 lost >Div to 9
76/2=38 W+38/-8==9/84=10=94-20 back=74 >Div to 8
38/1= 38 W+38/+30 game over==8/74=10=84-20=64 >Div to 7
I would now carry this over to the next session.
T/D= Bet
30/5=5 L-5/-5==7/64=10=74 lost
35/6=6 W+6/+1==7/74=11=84-22 back=62 >Div to 6
29/5=6 W+6/+7==6/62=11=73-22 back=51-(60)=+9+6={+15} Overall Profit
NOW RESTART
23/4=6 L-6/+1==6/(30)=5=35 lost
29/4=7 L-7/-6==6/35=6=41 lost>Div to 7
36/5=7 L-7/-13==7/41=6=47 lost
43/5=9 L-9/-22==7/47=7=54 lost >Div to 8
52/6=9 W+9/-13==8/54=7=61-14 back=47 >Div to 6
43/5=9 W+9/-4==6/47=8=55-16 back=39 >Div to 5
34/4=9 W+9/+5==5/39=8=47-16 back=31 >Div to 4
25/3=8 L-8/-3==4/31=8=39 lost
33/3=11 L-11/-14==4/39=10=49 lost>Div to 5
44/4=11 W+11/-3==5/49=10=59-20 back=39 >Div to 4
33/3=11 W+11/+8==4/39=10=49-20 back=29-(30)=+1+15={+16} Over all Profit
RESTART AGAIN
22/2=11 L-11/-3==6/(30)=5=35 lost
33/2=17 L-17/-20==6/35=6=41 lost>Div to 7
50/3=17 L-17/-37==7/41=6=47 lost
67/3=22 L-22/-59==7/47=7=54 lost >Div to 8
89/4=22 W+22/-37==8/54=7=61-14 back=47>Div to 7
67/3=22 L-22/-59==7/47=7=54 lost
89/3=29 W+29/-30==7/54=8=62-16 back=44>Div to 6
60/2=30 W+30/0==6/44=8=52-16 back=38 >Div to 5
30/1=30 W+30/30 game over==5/38=8=46-16 back=30-(30)=Even
And an overall Profit of {+16} For Me
Now lets look at Your Outlay over both session compared to Mine.
Yours =628 for +60=9.55% Profit on Turnover
Mine =373 for +16=4.2% P.O.T
Now lets look at the difference in Bets between being Very Aggressive as You have and being very Passive as I have.
Your Bets over $10 were.
4x11=44
3x12=36
1x13=13
2x17=34
2x19=38
3x22=66
1x29=29
2x30=60
3x38=114
...........
=21 bets over $10 For An overall risk of $434 in 21 Bets
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MY Bets over $10 were.
2x11=22
2x13=26
1x17=17
.........
=5 Bets over $10 For an overall risk of $65 in 5 Bets
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Another Post is coming for You Simon....After I fix some mistakes in it that I did Mate.
Lanky.
Hi Simon.
OK now that I know You're an aggressive player I will take You down that Road.
You had No Problem betting $38 Bets in Your Post so Now I know that That If I give You a some what aggressive approach and NOT put the Divisor up until You have to Bet more then 6 Units x $5 =$30.
Remember You need a Reasonable Win Rate to Play this way Mate.
Playing this way is Not for Everyone....The Players Tolerance for higher Units will be tested with the Pressure that comes by Playing this way.
First Session
W-6/(6)=1=7-2 back={+1} P
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)= +1+1={+2} P
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
W-6/11=2=13-4 back=9 >Div to 5
W-5/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 4
L-4/7=2=9 lost
L-4/9=3=12 lost
W-4/12=3=15-6 back=9 >Div to 3
W-3/9=3=12-6 back=6-(6)=Even and {+2} P
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+2={+3} P
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
W-6/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+3={+4} P
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to >5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+4={+5} Profit
=24 Bets=12 WINS =50% WIN RATE
................................................
Second Session.
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
W-6/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)={+1} P
RESTART
W-6/(6)=1=7-2 back=5-(6)=+1+1={+2} P
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
L-6/11=2=13 lost
W-6/13=3=16-6 back=10 >Div to 5
W-5/10=2=12-4 back=8 > Div to 4
W-4/8=2=10-4 back=6-(6)=Even & a Carry over profit of {+2}
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+2={+3} P
RESTART
L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
L-6/11=2=13 lost
W-6/13=3=16-6 back=10 >Div to 5
L-5/10=2=12 lost
W-5/12=3=15-6 back=9 >Div to 4
W-4/9=3=12-6 back=6-(6)=Even and a Carry over Profit of {+3}
RESTART
W-6/(6)=1=7-2 back=5-(6)=+1+3={+4} Profit
=23 Bets=11 WINS=47.8% WIN RATE.
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Summary.
Overall Bets in Both Sessions = 47 Bets for 23 Wins = 49% (Close enough)
1st Session + 5 Units
2Nd Session + 4 Units
.............
+ 9 Units overall x $5 = $45 Profit.
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Outlay =89 units x $5 = $445 For a Profit of 9 Units = $45 = 10% Profit on Turnover.
Highest Bet = 3 Units = $15 x 7 Times Only.
There is More then One way to skin a Rabbit Simon My Mate.
And its nearly 1.15 am here Now Mate .....I think I have earned a Rest Cobber.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Ps Check for Mistakes (I am Tired)
Thank you Lanky for your detailed reply. I need to take some time to study what you wrote.
Really I am not trying to be an aggressive bettor, I have lost enough at this Devil's Wheel. I am looking now for a conservative approach to make small and steady gains and protect my capital. A planned stop-loss and win-goal are imperative for each session.
I realize now I made a mistake when the system is based around units and I converted it to dollars. My units are $5 for now ($10 later if things go well.) I did not plan on making 30 unit/$150 bets. But yes 6 units $30 bets is not a problem.
I know you have addressed these issues in your post which I appreciate and need to mull over careully to follow it. Thank you!
Quote from: Lanky on October 05, 2009, 10:34:25 AM
OK So Your starting out with a Win Target of (30)
T/D= Bet
30/6 = 5 W+5 <> {+5} Profit>Start again
25/5= 5 L -5/0==6/(30)=5=35 lost
30/5= 6 L-6/-6==6/35=6=41 lost >Div to 7
36/6=6 W+6/0==7/41=6=47-12 back=35 >Div to 6
30/5=6 W+6/6==6/35=6=41-12 back=29-(30)=+1+5={+6} Profit>Start again
First off apparently I have misunderstood the goal of the system which I thought was to achieve the target, but apparently we stop and start again when any profit is reached, not when the target is reached, is that correct?
Secondly I am having trouble following your notes in blue, it is confusing to me when you write "12 back", etc., after you win 6. I have to transpose what you wrote so I can follow it....
lanky: 6/(30)=5=35 lost
simon: 30/6=5 L-5/-5 (subtotal/total)
lanky: 6/35=6=41 lost >Div to 7
simon: 35/6=6 L-6/-11
lanky: 7/41=6=47-12 back=35 >Div to 6
simon: 41/7=6 W+6/-5
lanky: 6/35=6=41-12 back=29-(30)=+1+5={+6} profit/start again
simon: 35/6=6 W+6/+1 profit start again
........I do not follow your last line, I come out +1 not +6 (?)
I want to make sure I follow your notes correctly before studying the rest...
Hi Simon.
QuoteFirst off apparently I have misunderstood the goal of the system which I thought was to achieve the target, but apparently we stop and start again when any profit is reached, not when the target is reached, is that correct?
Mate I just showed You a SAFER way to play it thats all.
Instead of chaseing the Win Target to the Very End....and Bet much bigger Bets EG: $38 Bets.
You can eventually reach some or most if not all of the Win Target by being SAFER EG:$15 Bets.
I am trying to show You more about Safety and Protecting what You have and adding to it more Gradually rather then get Yourself into a lot bigger bets earlier in the betting and thereby Putting Yourself at a higher risk to lose More.
Yes its important to add to Your Bank but its equally as important to protect Your Bank as well Mate.
QuoteSecondly I am having trouble following your notes in blue, it is confusing to me when you write "12 back", etc., after you win 6. I have to transpose what you wrote so I can follow it....
OK well thats the Formula that I use.........the 12 back is really the amount Returned including the Stake.
By Me using that Formula and having it written down before the Result is known.
And then finishing off with the Return (Amount back).
It prevents Me/anyone form making so many mistakes that can be caused by multiple distractions like...
Pressure from when Higher Units have to be Bet.
Being bumped,
People speaking to Me,
People being drunk,
Waitresses serving drinks,
Looking at woman etc that can happen at any Casino at any time.
Having said all of that in the end its up to You what and how You do things with the Divisor now.
I have seen plenty of people ignore My advice about the Divisor in the past as there will be probably be just as many that do the same thing in the Future.
But its a one way street to making more mistakes then what would normally be made if they had a Formula that worked as well for Them as the way it works for Me.
After all there is years of experience packed in there.....Its not something that was thought up overnight.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Hi Lanky, I followed your score keeping on my sessions by checking in my own way, also saw where I got confused on the profits because you were including previous session profit, and test-played another session stopping and starting again whenever any profit was achieved. That went well except that most of the profits were achieved by the first bet/winning bets +5 and the other sequences would go for ten spins or so and I would stop at +1 -- that is $1-- which isn't much, though definitely better than losing $. I guess I stopped too quickly with those sequences but I was playing stop at any profit, though now I see it doesn't have to be that way, one can choose whether to stop or not, I guess it depends how much you were in the hole-- I know sometimes it feels great just to get out of the hole (and/or if 1 = 1 unit and 1 unit = x amount of $, then it could definitely be a good place to stop.)
What I would like to ask you is, since I will be tracking in dollars rather than units because I find that easier, ok so target 30 divisor 6 seems good to start at $5 bets, but what if I want to start at $10 bets? I could do target 60 divisor 6, but that seems radically different than 30/6. Or do I have to convert to units, like 12/6, start bet at 2 and convert the 2 to two $5 units. What would you advise as the best target and divisor starting blocks for a conservative go at the ECs for $5 bets and for $10 bets? Must the divisor always start at 6? thanks so much for your advice.
Hi Simon.
Yes Mate The Divisor can be what You want it to be.
I have shown 4,6,12,18,36 Divisors over the years.
But if You change things it won't be the 6 Point Divisor anymore.
That said its still Your choice what You want to do.....I am only telling You what I can do...
Your choice may be completely different.
Like when You plowed straight through the 2 safety brake in Your examples to Me.....I would never do that.
Now the reason Your saying that its only +$1 if You miss on the 1st bet is because You have changed the 6 Point Divisor's formula.
EG:= 6/6= X 1 the Divisor.................To 6/30=X 5 times the Divisor.
That's why Your 2nd bet when it wins is giving You a $1 Profit
EG:
6/($30)=5=35 lost
6/$35=6=$41 Won -$12 back=$29-($30 win target)= {+$1} Profit.=That's a 9% Win profit on outlay
Now in Units.
6/(6)=1=7 lost
6/7=2=9 won -4 back=5-(6 win target)={+1} Profit << Now that 1 could be any size Unit.
But in this case it will always be 33% Win profit on Outlay.
Anyway in the end You will do it which ever way You want to do it.
All I suggest is that You Practise a heck of a lot first so that it becomes second nature to You Mate.
I hope that I have answered Your Questions for You Cobber....I wish You all the very best My Mate
Your Friend.
Lanky.
ugh I am lost again. Should I start the Target and Divisor at 6/6 or at 6/30?
I want to bet on the even chances only. I am not going to blow through safety brakes. I want to play conservatively, not aggressively. I want to start the betting at $5 or at $10. I just want to know, what do you recommend as the starting Target and Divisor for this kind of play?
I would prefer to track in dollar amounts but if that doesn't work I will track in units. But it's the same thing if 1 unit = $1. If I want to track in dollars and I want to start at $5, is 6/30 a good place to start so that the first bet can be 5 meaning 5 dollars? And if so, then what should the target and divisor be if I want the first bet to start at 10 meaning $10?
Simon,
I'm a fan of divisors and have been using them, in some form, for around a year.
The thing about them is that they're highly configurable and you can suit them entirely to your style of play of method. I currently play two dozens or columns and use a 10 point divisor, with a target of 10. The thing is, the divisor is just as useless as any conventional progression unless you're getting regular wins. If there are large gaps between hits, you've got no chance. The bets will mount up and eat your BR just like a martingale. You simply have to have regular winning streaks of at least four or five hits to make the divisor work. Chops are also okay, as you're still winning just as many bets as you're losing, yet your BR is actually increasing. However, in that situation you actually remain on the brink, because at any moment it could all go pear shaped. I can get an overall hit rate on two dozens of as low as 55%, yet still come out ahead in the session because the winning streaks are long and the losses isolated in singles and doubles, which is no big deal.
With the 10 pointer, I lower after every win and increase after every two losses. If the sessions is difficult, I will reset the divisor after every new BR high, to control the rate at which the bets increase. The 10 pointer can be excellent and I think is actually better than using a 6 pointer. Mostly I can keep the maximum bet units at 2 (on each dozen). Of course, it works most of the time because I can hit regular winning streaks that last for 7, 8, 9 or sometimes 10+ spins. That is more than enough to hit my 10 unit target.
This is just my 42 rupees worth, and remember you can reset the divsor or introduce the safety at any time.
Thanks 6, I'll have to mull that over. My bet selection is actually column based, even though it's an even chance bet. I could bet 2 columns because that's what my bet selection is actually based on (black if I have my reasons to back columns A and B, or Red if I have my reasons to back columns A and C) but I always thought betting 2 dozens to win 1 or lose 2 was a risky proposition, a wash at best and big trouble if you tried to progress a losing bet, which is why I am sort of trying to make a 2 dozen bet into an even chance bet, plus then I can use the divisor system (but I guess you can use it for 2 dozens too as you do, if you know what you're doing-- but I don't think I can count on hitting 2 dozens that many times in a row, especially playing against an 00 wheel-- I don't know, have to check my strike rate again.)
Simon
I also agree that 2 dozens is not an economical bet, and in fact I was discussing this with some people recently. If you're not playing wheel sectors, then the even chances appear to be the way forward, certainly for flat betting. But I'm practising a method that has no rules and so I find the flow of dozen outcomes to be more predictable and reliable than the even chances. I can't see a way of flat betting two dozens and coming out ahead, because as you said you're risking 2 units for a 1 return. You'd need to maintain a 75% hit rate and that is not always possible, in fact it's mostly impossible. So the divisor can work well with two dozens, as long as the bet selection process itself is solid. I guess I could dig up an old practise sheet if you're interested in seeing it, and I think there may be merit, well there IS merit, in the idea of turning a 2 column bet into an EC.
I just wanted to know whether I should start the divisor system at 6/6 or 6/30.
6/30 seemed to be a good place to start if I want to start at $5 bets which would be the minimum bet where I can play virtual roulette. That way 1 unit= one dollar, start at 5 units and go from there and that seemed to work pretty well on my test sheets from real spins, and I can easily track exactly where I'm at dollar by dollar.
But if I wanted to start at $10 bets which is usually the minimum at the real wheels I can play at, then I didn't know whether to start at 6/60 or some other way.
I have a pretty good strike rate for my even chance bet selection-- a decent chop-- win a couple, lose a couple, with infrequent prolonged wins or losses.
Hello simon,
I used to play minimum $10 at the air ball table using Lanky's 6 point divisor. I start with 6/60, betting $10. If loss the count goes to 6/70, I will bet $12. If I loss again, I will increase the divisor by 1(every 2 consecutive losses, add 1 to the divisor and for every win minus 1 from the divisor).The count will now be 7/80, I will be betting $12. I fell more comfortable betting this way. The fluctuation on the bankroll will not trigger a heart attack. There are many ways to use Lanky's 6 point divisor. Test it out and find one that you are comfortable with before you play for real.The tolerance of pain for each of us is different.
Regards
sniper
thanks sniper
ofcourse, every time someone says they USED to do something I have to read between the lines and figure it must not have worked out on a prolonged basis, otherwise they would STILL BE DOING IT, would they not?
(can't wait for the edit your own posts as you want when you want function to work, so I can get all my brilliant delayed thoughts into one post.)
Hi Simon,
I think when a method fails for us just once it is then abandoned forever.
Last night I played a 6/6 divisor on all three ECs using DBL as the reference and $10 increments on the Rapid at my local.
I know I made a few mistakes, for two reasons. Firstly, you only have 30 seconds to work out and place your bets on the console and secondly, you think that you can grab a few extra seconds by just listening to the croupier, but you can't because they either mumble or are very softly spoken.
Anyway, my rules were that when the target reached over 20 and the divisor was less than 6, I would try to shift 10 units to another EC that was faring better.
So if I the calculation was 4/20 and I lost 5 units making the target 25 and I had another at 3/6, I transfer 10 units to the 3/6 and adjust the divisor to suit. In my case, I ended up with 4/15 (next bet 4 units instead of 7) and 6/16 (next bet 3 units instead of 2).
From previous calculations I have found that the divisor needs to win at around 40% (from any point) to be successful, so there is a fair chance with adequate bankroll that most sessions will be ok.
Last night I made a fairly quick $200 and left the building!
And Lanky, I didn't use the pocket bet, as I did last time. And luckily for me it again showed up less than expected!
Hope this helps
Mocco
Quote from: sniper on October 10, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
Hello simon,
I used to play minimum $10 at the air ball table using Lanky's 6 point divisor. I start with 6/60, betting $10. If loss the count goes to 6/70, I will bet $12. If I loss again, I will increase the divisor by 1(every 2 consecutive losses, add 1 to the divisor and for every win minus 1 from the divisor).The count will now be 7/80, I will be betting $12. I fell more comfortable betting this way. The fluctuation on the bankroll will not trigger a heart attack. There are many ways to use Lanky's 6 point divisor. Test it out and find one that you are comfortable with before you play for real.The tolerance of pain for each of us is different.
Regards
sniper
Hi Simon.
I play one EC using exactly this version of the Divisor and it works well ,as long as your bet selection is sound,as has been pointed out by 6 and others here.
Regards
TSK
thank you mocco, congrats on leaving +$200, feels so good, thank you spider, maybe we can actually beat this devil's wheel on a consistent basis.
ya know if you're playing/tracking units and you got the bankroll for it, playing mini-bac would probably be better than roulette, no zeroes, better odds (would have to work it out to play in increments/units of 5.) just a thought...
Quote from: simon on October 10, 2009, 02:30:54 PM
(can't wait for the edit your own posts as you want when you want function to work, so I can get all my brilliant delayed thoughts into one post.)
Hello dear Simon,
Please check the functionality, it should be reinstated.
Regards.
thanks victor!
Quote from: simon on October 10, 2009, 09:25:54 AM
I just wanted to know whether I should start the divisor system at 6/6 or 6/30.
6/30 seemed to be a good place to start if I want to start at $5 bets which would be the minimum bet where I can play virtual roulette. That way 1 unit= one dollar, start at 5 units and go from there and that seemed to work pretty well on my test sheets from real spins, and I can easily track exactly where I'm at dollar by dollar.
But if I wanted to start at $10 bets which is usually the minimum at the real wheels I can play at, then I didn't know whether to start at 6/60 or some other way.
I have a pretty good strike rate for my even chance bet selection-- a decent chop-- win a couple, lose a couple, with infrequent prolonged wins or losses.
@Simon.
My Friend its whats suits You the best that matters.
The more comfortable that You are with the way You play the better You will get at it.
Simon You a Smart Guy and I can see from Your posts that You are getting this and all You need to do is practise to see what way suits You best Mate.
Which as You can see from the other Guys Posts that they have all found a way that their happy with.
My sole objective in all of this is to try and show people how to lose Less.
If People are losing less using the Divisor then it would be fair to say that their Play has got better because of the use of the Divisor.....Then I could say I have achieved something good for others....which I know has happened in the past Mate.
Snipers story is a wonderful one and it has a happy ending as well....maybe He will share one day.
@Moccoman
QuoteAnd Lanky, I didn't use the pocket bet, as I did last time. And luckily for me it again showed up less than expected!
Yes Mate they come in cycles Cobber.....Like the night We played together it rained the Pocket bet and its like Money from Heaven when that happens......
I have never seen 2 people Win so much more then their starting Goal that Quick ever before Mate....and the Bloody Pocket was still hitting when We finished and while You were sipping Champagne and Me My Soda water..Lmao.
That was a good Day Mate I really Enjoyed it and between us We walked away with over $700 Profit for the day.
Good OnYa Mates.
Lanky.
Lanky, I had a bad test run with one particular session which wiped out six other sessions gains. I got unlucky with the bet selection, you know sometimes the wheel turns on you and just beats you up no matter what you do, so this session I only won 11 bets and lost 19. Still I thought the divisor system could help me out a little more than it did.
Can you please tell me if I did anything wrong and how you may have played this differently?
Is there a good rule as to when you are supposed to apply the safety brake other than when the divisor becomes less than 3? (because that didn't happen.)
Should the starting target and divisor amounts be added to the running target and divisor amounts when the bet becomes a certain mulitple of the starting bet? (such as, five times multiple, if starting bet is 5, apply safety brake when bet becomes 25) (which it didn't)
Thank you for your advice.
I will type this the way I write it down when I test/play. How to read how I record the divisor system:
"30/6= 5" means 30 (target) divided by 6 (divisor) = 5 ($5, or five $1 units-- the bet), followed by "-5" means bet lost this amount ("+5" would mean the bet won) and then the final "/-5" is the running subtotal.
Here's how it went....
30/6=5 -5/-5
35/6=6 +6/+1
30/6=5 +5/+5
30/6=5 -5/-5
35/6 -6/-11
41/7=6 -6/-17
47/7=7 -7/-24
54/8=7 +7/-17
47/7=7 +7/-10
40/6=7 +7/-3
33/5=7 -7/-10
40/5=8 -8/-18
48/6=8 +8/-10
40/5=8 +8/-2
32/4=8 -8/-10
40/4=10 -10/-20
50/5=10 -10/-30
60/5=12 -12/-42
72/6=12 +12/-30
60/5=12 -12/-42
72/5=15 +15/-27
57/4=15 +15/-12
42/3=14 -14/-26
56/3=19 -19/-45
75/4=19 -19/-64
94/4=24
safety brake applied
94+30= 124 new target
4+6 =10 new divisor
124/10=12 -12/-76
136/11=13 +13/-63
123/10=13 -13/-76
136/10=14 -14/-90
150/11=14 -14/-104 (stop loss at -$100.. which unfortunately wiped out the gains of six other sessions that went well.)
Hi Simon,
Sorry to hear that you lost.
The way I play is to press on after I get some wins and get down past the 6/30 barrier. To my way of thinking, there is little point in having a target of winning $30 and resetting after winning only $1. Unless the bets start getting too big, I normally try to get down to a divisor of 2 before resetting.
Also, when I apply the safety brake, it's because things aren't going right so all I want to do is "get out alive" as it were. Therefore, I don't increase the target at all, just the divisor. Sometimes. depending on how big the hole is, I will even decrease the original target by half. With limited bankroll/stop loss, in this case $100 I would employ the reduction in target when $50 has been lost.
In any case, the divisor, as I have previously stated, needs about 40% success to work. So winning 11/30 is only 36.66% so nothing may save the day.
The way I would have played your session is:
30/6=5 -5/-5
35/6=6 +6/+1
29/5=6 +6/+7
23/4=6 -6/+1
29/4=8 -8/-7
37/5=8 -8/-15
45/5=9 -9/-24
54/6=9 +9/-15
45/5=9 +9/-6
36/4=9 +9/+3
27/3=9 -9/-6
36/3=12 -12/-18
48/4=12 +12/-6
36/3=12 +12/+6
24/2 things are going good to here winning 7/14 so now add 30/6 and reset to:
54/8=7 -7/-1
61/8=8 -8/-9
69/9=8 -8/-17
77/9=9 -9/-26
86/10=9 +9/-17
77/9=9 -9/-26
86/9=10 +10/-16
76/8=10 +10/-6
66/7=10 -10/-16
76/7=11 -11/-27
87/8=11 -11/-38
98/8=13 -13/-51 half of bankroll/stop gap now lost so cancel second target of 30
81/9=9 +9/-42
72/8=9 -9/-51
81/8=11 -11/-62
92/9=11 -11/-73 so only 4 wins from the last 16 spins
Even though it would be really hard to win from here, at least you could afford 2 more losses.
Regards
Mocco
thank you moccoman! I shall study what you wrote. fortunately this was just a testing of the divisor system on my real spin data, so I can ready myself for the real thing which I would like to do soon. thanks.
That's not so bad then, Simon.
The main thing is that you are ready and can adapt when everything starts going "south". And as you have seen - it can and does.
The biggest problem is to determine when that is and bail out!
Because there are other ECs and alternative bets, you can also split off portions of the divisor to try to recover that way.
Mocco
Mocco do you have such a high win target divisor is more abolut grinding than for quick high profits
That's right N9, the divisor is meant to be a grind. I do not expect to play sessions of anything less than 60-70 spins to, hopefully, reach a predetermined target.
I use the 6/6 formula with $10 as my unit.
Others, like Simon has, converts the units to dollars. So it is personal preference and bankroll as well.
For me, an expectation of winning $30 with a $100 bankroll, is way too difficult. I would expect to lose that more often than not.
Regards
Mocco
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Hi Simon.
OK I will do the exact same thing You did only in Units Now.
And PP = Pocket Profit/s.
L –6/6=1=7 lost
W-6/7=2=9 won-4 back=5-6={+1} PP
Restart
W-6/6=1=7 won-2 back=5-6=+1+1={+2} PP
Restart
L-6/6=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost >Div to 7
L-7/9=2=11 lost
L-7/11=2=13 lost >Div to 8
W-8/13=2=15 won-4 back=11 >Div to 7
W-7/11=2=13 won-4 back=9 >Div to 6
W-6/9=2=11 won-4 back=7 >Div to 5
L-5/7=2=9 lost
L-5/9=2=11 lost >Div to 6
W-6/11=2=13 won-4 back=9 >Div to 5
W-5/9=2=11 won-4 back=7 >Div to 4
L-4/7=2=9 lost
L-4/9=3=12 lost >Div to 5
L-5/12=3=15 lost
L-5/15=3=18 lost >Div to 6
W-6/18=3=21 won-6 back=15 >Div to 5
L-5/15=3=18 lost
W-5/18=4=22 won-8 back=14 >Div to 4
W-4/14=4=18 won-8 back=10 >Div to 3
L-3/10=4=14 lost
L-3/14=5=19 lost >Div to 4
L-4/19=5=24 lost
I have to Stop here as I only have 20 $5 units as a Bank and Your Win target is 6 $5 units=26 $5 units
L-
W-
L-
L-
L-
So lets add that all up
24-6 win target=18-the {2 PP} I won earlier = a loss of 16x$5=$80
So by doing it this way You would have been $24 better off then the way You Did it.
It all adds Up at the end of the Year Simon My Mate.
And the only Two differences were I did it in Units and not Dollars.
And I refuse to give back to the Casino the Pocket Profits = (PP)
I will do a couple of more posts for You Simon as soon as I get time with references to earlier post about the Divisor in this section that You may have not seen yet.
Then that will give You some more options to look at and consider.
I will use these exact same Lw notations of Your results that are here as well Mate.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Quote from: Moccoman on October 15, 2009, 08:46:44 PM
That's right N9, the divisor is meant to be a grind. I do not expect to play sessions of anything less than 60-70 spins to, hopefully, reach a predetermined target.
I use the 6/6 formula with $10 as my unit.
Others, like Simon has, converts the units to dollars. So it is personal preference and bankroll as well.
For me, an expectation of winning $30 with a $100 bankroll, is way too difficult. I would expect to lose that more often than not.
Regards
Mocco
Hi Mocco
when you play the ECs, do you bet every spin or do you track the Lw notations and bet accordingly?
Cheers
Hi Oz,
I play every spin, except when the zero hits I wait out the next 2 spins, so that I can get back to the normal DBL.
If I had time between spins I could, or would, play the LWs, but with only 30 seconds to recalculate and place the bets, there is no time. The pressure is on and can become both confusing and stressful.
It would be much easier (and enjoyable) to be able to play at a table but the minimum bet on ECs is $25, so the bankroll needs to be much bigger.
Playing the Rapid Roulette on all 3 ECs I try to get 9 units ($90) in front. If I can do that then I reset everything back to 6/6.
Hope that helps.
Mocco
mocco
thanks for replying. It did help.
I can imagine what you go through with 30 sec window to bet three ec's as well as doing the divisor plan. One has to be expert at multi-tasking!! Great stuff. Keep on winning, mate.
Cheersw
At the beginning of this thread the statement was made.... "Also, you MUST win in the end! On any reasonable set of selections, you will eventually back winners whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit."
What does that mean... "whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit" ?
and what is the rationale behind the statement that you "...MUST win in the end!" ?
when you apply the safety brake and up the target and divisor, or just the divisor, all you are doing is lowering your bets with greater losses to recover, which cannot work unless for some reason you start hitting above average expectation/strike rate, in which case you could have won by flat betting if you have such a good bet selection. confused.
You're right simon, if you hit a bad run, you will need that streak/concentration of wins to get you out of the hole. Otherwise, if you remain in that long concentration of losses, your bets will keep growing higher and higher. So you need a bet selection that guarantees that such a situation will never happen.
All in all, I've found flat-betting to suit my own bet selection better than anything else, I.e. provides the best risk/return ratio. Others do fine with the divisor.
Hi Simon.
QuoteThe aim of the Six Point Plan is to win six betting units every time the punter backs a winner, or winners, whose odds total six.
(or Sometimes More depending on what You Divisor is and what the Win target is set at the time)
OK Simon My Mate lets look at some things here and see if I can help You by way of trying to explain it.
Lets go a bit deeper and delve into the Divisor where it is mentioned in that article after a series of losses and is now at 12/72
I will play it in an aggressive type style like the Author of that Article did.
By way of subtracting the Odds of the Winning bet from the Divisor.
And I will do it His way not the way I Tweaked it to suit Me when I play other forms of gambling like Roulette or Baccarat etc
Here We go Cobber.
L-6/(12)=2=14
L-6/14=3=17
L-6/17=3=20
L-6/20=4=24
L-6/24=4=28
L-6/28=5=33
L-6/33=6=39
L-6/39=7=46
L-6/46=8=54
L-6/54=9=63
Safety Brake gets added here.
So its
6/63+
6/(12) <extra Win Target<>Actual Win target is now (24)
...........
12/75
L-12/75=7=82 Lost <<That's 11 Losses in a Row
Now We will add some winners to show You the point about Combined odds.
We Continue with the L from above
W-12/82=7=89 won at 2/1=21 Return=68
W-10/68=7=75 won at 2/1=21 Return=54
W-8/54=7=61 won at 2/1=21 return=40
W-6/40=7=47 won at 2/1=21 return=26 << You are Minus 2 Here because Your Win target is (24)
So to here We have had 11 losses and 4 wins=26.6% win rate
However for the sake of the how it was written in the article I will continue.
W-4/26=7=33 won at 2/1=21 return=12-(24) Win Target << ok now Your winning {+12} Profit
I would stop and Restart for sure and certain.
Ok lets now see what has happened.
There was 16 bets for 5 Wins=31.25% Win Rate.
But the Combined Odds of those Winners Totalled 10/1
........................................................................
Ok now lets look at the exact same thing only this time we will look at the price or the Odds of the winner being at 5/1 something like playing the Lines or Double streets like Chicken Dinner did at one time.
L-6/(12)=2=14
L-6/14=3=17
L-6/17=3=20
L-6/20=4=24
L-6/24=4=28
L-6/28=5=33
L-6/33=6=39
L-6/39=7=46
L-6/46=8=54
L-6/54=9=63
Safety Brake gets added here.
So its
6/63+
6/(12) <extra Win Target <>Actual Win target is now (24)
...........
12/75
L-12/75=7=82 Lost<<That's 11 Losses in a Row
Now We will add some winners to show You the point about Combined odds.
We Continue with the L from above
W-12/82=7=89 Won at 5/1=42 return=47
W-7/47=7=54 Won at 5/1=42 return=12-(24) win target={+12 Profit}
So now we have had 2 Wins in 13 bets=15.4% Win rate.
But the winners Odds of the bets totalled 10/1
And that is what is meant by this statement below which is from that article.
QuoteAlso, you MUST win in the end! On any reasonable set of selections, you will eventually back winners whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit.
And we did not even go to the end at both times to get to the Combined odds as the Author suggested.
We did not need to....We were already winning Mate.
Simon when I win or Break even I restart again Mate.
However everybody is different and they will play the Divisor differently then another person does.
And If You decide to play it You will find a way that suits You as well.
Here are some more links for You to look over My Mate.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg24316/#msg24316
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg41318/#msg41318
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg65496/#msg65496
They may give You some ideas or they may simply spark something off in You that would make You improve the Divisor even more.
Who Knows Mate....Its happened before...there have been heaps of tweaks to the Divisor to suit other players way of betting since it was invented back in the 1930's.
And You may just be one of those people that may do something that helps others even more.
I hope I have been of some help to You My Friend.
Lanky.
I don't understand what "..the Combined Odds of those Winners Totalled 10/1.." means. What does ten slash one mean exactly?
yesterday I tried playing for real. I brought $500 and put $100 into the virtual roulette machine which is a very fast double zeroe wheel. you would not believe what my first 4 spins were. all zeroes one right after another (0 or 00). I said "WTF?!" the 2 other guys there laughed. later one of them finally won on a hit on the zeroes which kept coming a little too much. things weren't going well and I was down almost $100 and told myself I was leaving this machine and going to the other one as soon as/if I got my money back. I fought my way out of that machine, did get my $100 back without having to put any more in and went to another machine. I put $100 in the next machine and made $50 after not too long and decided to leave, because I needed to organize a few things a little better before I continued, and I had some time constraints. between my bet selection and the divisor and the speed of the spins I was losing track of the divisor calculations. but this is no problem, I like that the virtual roulette machine goes quicker than real roulette. I just needed to organize my play sheet a little better for my particular betting, etc. which I have done and and I am ready to go back and give it another go and keep track of the divisor better this time. It is a little tricky because with my particular bet selections I often bet on more than one even chance at the same time so I have to run a few divisor calculations at once. Later....
Good luck with that, Simon.
You will now realise that you really have to be on your game when the results are coming thick and fast.
And, of course, distractions need to be kept to an absolute minimum.
Also, I always play the "safety brake" by increasing the divisor but not the target, as I believe I'm in a hole and need to get out with as little pain as possible.
Mocco
Hi Simon.
QuoteI don't understand what "..the Combined Odds of those Winners Totalled 10/1.." means. What does ten slash one mean exactly?
Mate you may understand it better if I put it this way.
2/1= 2 to 1 <>its the same odds as if You were betting on either a Single Dozen or a Single Column.
If You were to have a unit on a winning Dozen for example.
Your outlay would be 1 and Your return would be 3 So you would Win 2 units.
So now if I say it this way (You have Won 2 units for every 1 Unit you bet)
You would have got 2/1 in Odds.
Now in that Example that I did You had 5 winners x 2 (Or 2/1)=10 <> or its (10/1) in total odds of the winners.
I hope that has explained things for You better Mate.
Lanky.
well I hate to rain on this parade, especially after all your great input Lanky which I really appreciate, but I read some articles that convinced me that any kind of progression or money management system is useless, and basically the bottom line is if you can't beat something by flat betting you aint gonna beat it any other way.
there are several articles about this that can be read at bjmath.com/bjmath/progress/progress.htm
if you don't want to be discouraged, don't read them.
the article just called "Progression Betting" by Mike Lea explains things quite well (unfortunately.)
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no I am not that Simon and I have never "made a fortune" with any system or at any time at any casino, in fact I would say they are well ahead of me after trying many different systems over the past ten years and I may never catch up, though I keep trying.
(although I did once make $1000 over the course of one week, using a progressive system, but lost it all in 15 minutes the following week. that was a bit discouraging, to say the least.) (it was a simple up as you lose and down as you win modified Oscar's grind kind of system that was working pretty well.... until I ran into the run from hell and it turned on me and kicked my butt right out of the casino.)
Hi Simon.
Quotewell I hate to rain on this parade, especially after all your great input Lanky which I really appreciate,
Thank You I appreciate the kind words.
Quotebut I read some articles that convinced me that any kind of progression or money management system is useless, and basically the bottom line is if you can't beat something by flat betting you aint gonna beat it any other way.
Well here is where We are going to differ in opinions My Friend.
Why ???
Well simply because You or and they talking about having the Holy Grail of Roulette or any other form of Gambling for that matter if You can Flat bet and Win.
(Many people lay claim to be able to do this..but very few can or do show how its done)
Now I have only seen Two people in My whole life that have proved to Me that They can Flat Bet and still win consistently over the long term.
One was the late Horse racing professional called Don Scott.
He certainly had the Combined odds down to a fine art whereby He could Win.
Actually He had a Methodology of where He could take into account the class of the race and then compare the beaten margin and convert that to weight that a horse could win with.
However this is something that belongs over in Lohnro's Racing Section which will be done over there at a later date.
So I won't bore You with this any further.
The other Person that can beat Roulette Via Flat betting that I know of Personally is Iwonder.
Below is a link to His Method which is a cousin of sorts to what Mr J Did at one time.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/an-old-system/msg80526/#msg80526 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/an-old-system/msg80526/#msg80526)
Quotethere are several articles about this that can be read at bjmath.com/bjmath/progress/progress.htm
if you don't want to be discouraged, don't read them.
the article just called "Progression Betting" by Mike Lea explains things quite well (unfortunately.)
Yes well one thing for sure Simon is that I won't be one of those that get discouraged by anything those and or anyone else writes.
I have heard it all or most of it before and none of it fazes Me in the slightest.
As I have used the Divisor in all its Different forms since 1975.
Now to All those people that can Flat Bet and still Win.
Good on You....I am pleased that You can do that.
And I not only Congratulate You I also hope it continues for Your lifetime.
However there are people like Myself that are not that Talented and have had to improvise certain ways of doing things so that We can also Lose Less.
And the Divisor is one of those ways.
Added to Strategy play and also added to a Stop Loss when those hell sessions come the Divisor becomes a potent weapon in trying to Lose Less then others do and in fact can turn things around on occasions where We can win doing it.
Some may even say that those occasions turn into consistent Winning Sessions and by Loseing Less on the bad ones can/could/do Win at the end of the Year.
Simon My Friend I am not telling You or anybody else what or How to do anything.
I am just explaining what I do.
I wish You Well going forward Simon.
You are a good Person and I hope that You win for the rest of Your life.
Lanky.
thanks Lanky, same to you...
@ Divisor players
I have tried to create an excel tool to help with the divisor betting. This tool, currently, can be used for all EC bets, Single Dozen & Column bets, Double Dozen and Column bets.
I would appreciate if all the divisor players in this forum can have a crack at this tool and provide feedback regarding bugs and issues.
have fun!
Quote from: ozshabs on November 05, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
@ Divisor players
I have tried to create an excel tool to help with the divisor betting. This tool, currently, can be used for all EC bets, Single Dozen & Column bets, Double Dozen and Column bets.
I would appreciate if all the divisor players in this forum can have a crack at this tool and provide feedback regarding bugs and issues.
have fun!
You are a champ mate :thumbsup:! I will test it and let you know.
Fairdinkum oz, that is deadset brilliant!! :agree: :agree: :agree:
Well done Oz!
An additional feature is that it shows the percentage level of wins needed to complete the set in a very understandable way.
Mocco
@ lohnro: thanks, mate. I hope this can be useful in explaining the divisor to newer players.
@ mocco: thanks for the idea, however, if you could provide some sample of what you would exactly like to see, then it would be easier for me to try and incorporate it into the tool.
@ bazeegar: have fun testing and let me know.
Cheers
oz
Hi Oz
Thanks mate,a fantastic contribution. :good:
TSK
Hi Ozshabs .
Great work with the Divisor Tool Mate.
Your a Fairdinkum Champion Cobber.
I will check it all out for You ...but so far I have not found any problems ..
Good OnYa Mate.
Lanky.
Hi Forum.
Recently I put this in a reply to Simon.
QuoteNow I have only seen Two people in My whole life that have proved to Me that They can Flat Bet and still win consistently over the long term.
Actually there are Three People that I know of that can do this.
And for that Reason I am making a public Apology to My good Friend Lohnro.
Lohnro is the other person that can also Flat Bet and Win.
He is Semi Pro at betting the Horses...and He is very successful with it.
Anybody that can Flat Bet His way to over 30+ Times His staring Bank is very successful at what He does.
Sorry Lonnie My Mate.
Love to the Family Cobber.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on November 10, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
Hi Ozshabs .
Great work with the Divisor Tool Mate.
Your a Fairdinkum Champion Cobber.
I will check it all out for You ...but so far I have not found any problems ..
Good OnYa Mate.
Lanky.
Lanky... is everything ok cos you have been away for a while... (did you take a holiday?)
anyway, it was a great pleasure to do the divisor tool. I enjoyed it, it gave me a new challenge.
Cheers
Thanks for the kind words Lanky, but there was certianly no need to apologise my mate! :thumbsup:
To Ozhabs.
Great simulator in Excell, but one question. Usually you bets get very high when you have had a losing streak and then start winning (a high bet + low divisor). Is it possible in your tool to set so the divisor never get below 3.
Regards
Christian
Quote from: ozshabs link=topic=11. msg83775#msg83775 date=1257460039
@ Divisor players
I have tried to create an excel tool to help with the divisor betting. This tool, currently, can be used for all EC bets, Single Dozen & Column bets, Double Dozen and Column bets.
I would appreciate if all the divisor players in this forum can have a crack at this tool and provide feedback regarding bugs and issues.
have fun!
HI ozshabs,
Great tool I have been after something like this for a long time.
I play a lot of Baccarat and wondered if their is any way you could make a modification to your tool, so that it could work out the commission for a Banker win.
Something as simple as if you register a win it asks you if this is a Banker win, and if it is deduct 5% commission from the winnings.
Just a thought, once again thanks for a great tool.
Malcop
Hi Ozhabs.
I have one question about your tool.
When you are at the divisor 3 and win then the divisor get 6 (or 8 depending on you safety break settings). But if i lose the "even chances bet" and win at the zero pocket, the divisor get 2 (it should be 6 or 8). Can you modify the tool or tell me where to change it.
Regards
Christian
Does anyone know if the 6 point calculator has ever been made into a actual software app..?
TC
Hi Lanky what are you views on using this in sports betting?? I bet tennis a lot and was wondering what sort of odds would be the best to use this divisor on.
many thanks
dj roulette
Quote from: topcat888 on January 02, 2010, 09:45:58 AM
Does anyone know if the 6 point calculator has ever been made into a actual software app..?
TC
hell now that is a good idea
well done mate topcat and top man to that
and yes 6PDS works great for sports betting i think it was originally designed for sports betting
i for get the original name manybe Lanky can help us out here
ok Lads tke care
Quote from: topcat888 on January 02, 2010, 09:45:58 AM
Does anyone know if the 6 point calculator has ever been made into a actual software app..?
TC
Roulette Assault from the makers of
Roulette Sniper has the six point divisor in it. (At least that's what they advertise.)
I would be interested in a 6PDS on numbers say up to 6 numbers
Hi Ozshabs,
this is great, thanks a bunch. :thumbsup:
one question: when i use it, i can fill in about 85 spins and then the programm just stops calculating. am i using it wrong? ???
cheers
hans
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 link=topic=11. msg95536#msg95536 date=1265942180
Roulette Assault from the makers of Roulette Sniper has the six point divisor in it. (At least that's what they advertise. )
Yes I took the 3 day trial about a month ago ( I am always encouraged when you get to trial software ) and played it for fun using the six point divisor method on even chances. I am not sure that RA implements it in the same way as Lanky describes, hence my reason for making my own spread sheet to check it out further. At the end of the day if you are on an even money session where you are only winning once in four bets there is no progression / staking system that can win for you.
I like the divisor staking method and was impressed by Roulette Assault but not prepared to buy as I am stuck with the built in systems and cannot input my own.
Cheers to all,
Some great discussions here by the way :)
the six point divisor system is as worthless as every other progressive system. anyone who thinks you can turn a negative expectation into a positive expectation by increasing or decreasing bets at any point in time has no basic understanding of mathematics or what it means to have a negative expectation on every single bet and why it makes no difference how or when or why or how often you change your bets. if you cannot beat roulette by bet selection and flat betting, you cannot beat it and you certainly cannot beat it by increasing or decreasing the size of your bets at any point in time.
Simon,
I agree that it might not be possible to beat table games like Roulette, but on games of skill (such as Blackjack, Sports betting, and horse racing, as well as trading the markets such as share trading, forex etc), having the right money management is key, and can make you a profitable over the long term. Of course, even with the right MM, there are still clusters and streaks of losses and wins, and so having the right amount of capital in your account is key as well, so that you can ride these win/loss streaks and still have enough capital to keep going.
This is where the 6PD is better than other systems - the 6PD is customizable so that it is tailored to the odds or sterling ratios of whatever it is that you are "betting" on.
A good System is made up of three components:
A. The bet selection (or trade selection, as it were), and;
B. The Money Management, and;
C. Proper capitalization level.
Having ALL THREE is the key to success. It is difficult to have all three lined up at the same time. Component 'A' is the most difficult to find.
Getting the edge is the most important key to long term success, and is the most difficult part (especially in roulette, you are more likely to be able to get an edge at say Sports betting than at roulette). Without a positive expectancy no money management plan can create long term success.
Once you have the edge, money management is easy (just use a safe optimum proportional betting scheme).
The other thing to worry about is managing and maintaining opportunities, no casino welcomes long-term winners.
Quote from: Noble Savage link=topic=11. msg102952#msg102952 date=1272215688
Getting the edge is the most important key to long term success, and is the most difficult part (especially in roulette, you are more likely to be able to get an edge at say Sports betting than at roulette). Without a positive expectancy no money management plan can create long term success.
Once you have the edge, money management is easy (just use a safe optimum proportional betting scheme).
The other thing to worry about is managing and maintaining opportunities, no casino welcomes long-term winners.
Great post, Noble, and this is one of the reasons that I do not pursue testing strategies for table games anymore. I noticed, that when I would go to a casino to try a strategy with real money, that dealers would ask me "What are you doing?", the other players would roll their eyes or make fun of me, etc. Combine that with the smoking, the bad, loud music, flashing lights, etc and it made for a very difficult wagering environment.
So, for me, I only try to apply money management strategies to things like horse/sports betting, share/currency trading etc.
As I understand, 6PD is played on two dozens by WL patterns. What about instead of betting one unit on each dozen bet first one unit on even chance, and in case it lost, then one unit on dozen or column. If you are betting on two dozens, probability of winning is 24/37 = 0.64864865, and you are risking two units to win one. If you split bet as I suggested, then probability of winning one unit while still risking two is 18/37 + 19/37*12/37=0.65303141. So I would suggest to track LWs on this "split" bet of two units. The hit ratio should be slightly higher, because of higher probability of winning. Also in case the B&M casino's limit is the same for EC and dozen, you can bet twice as much, ie. impact of table limits is halved. Another advantage of this would be that you can LW track 6*6=36 streams at the same time, ie. (L+H+E+O+R+B)*(D1+D2+D3+C1+C2+C3). What about taking advantage of uneven distribution of some columns on the wheel? Have anyone tried this?
Yes the probability of winning will be higher, however you miss the cases when you win 2 units with the first dozen bet.
Your approach can be considered just a bit safer but not "more profitable" -it is equally profitable.
Well, I still don't understand how six point divisor played on two dozens could be same good. It is always better to replace "bet one unit on the first dozen and one unit on the second dozen in one spin" with "bet one unit on EC on 1st spin, and if only it lost bet same unit on dozen in second spin". This way we are trading time for better probability of winning while still staking two units(whatever size they are) to win one unit. The probability is higher because on average we risk less than two units to win one, because the EC bet sometimes wins and so we do not need to risk the second unit.
Hello
I am new with this method of play. I didn't read whole topic and I don't know maybe answer is here but can someone tell me if example from the first page is correct I mean bolded lines.
6/6=1 to bet (25) lose 1 add 6=7 to target
6/7=2 to bet (1) win so now 7-2= 5-6target =[1]
6/6=1 to bet (22) lose 1 add6=7
6/7=2 to bet (3) win so now 7-2=5-6target=[2]
6/6=1 to bet (35) lose 1 add 6=7 to target
6/7=2 to bet (2) win so now 7-2=5-6 target=[3]
6/6=1 to bet (29) lose 1 add 6=7 to target
6/7=2 to bet (19) lose 2 add 7=9 to target
we lost twice so put the divisor up 1 to 7 so now
7/9=2 to bet (33) lose 2 add 9=11 to target
7/11=2 to bet (Z) lose 2 add 11=13 to target
we lost twice so put the divisor up 1 to 8 so now
8/13=2 to bet (21) lose 2 add 13=15 to target
8/13=2 to bet (11) win so now 13-2=11 to target because in the line above 2 add 13=15 to target
we won so divisor comes down 1 to 7 so now
7/11=2 to bet (9) win so now 11-2=9 to target
we won so divisor down 1 to 6 so now
6/9=2 to bet (2 lose 2 add 9=11
6/11=2 to bet (11) win so now 11-2=9
we won so divisor down 1 to 5 so now
5/9=2 to bet 1 win so now 9-2=7
we won so div down 1 to 4 so now
4/7=2 to bet (Z) lose 2 add 7=11 not 9 ?
4/11=3 to bet (19) lose 3 add 11=14
we lost twice so div up 1 to 5 so now
5/14=3 to bet (14) win so now 14-3=11 to target
4/11=3 to bet (11) win so now 11-3=8 to target
we won so div down 1 to 3
3/8=3 to bet (17) win so now 8-3=5-6 target=[4]
6/6=1 to bet (14) win so now 6-1=5-6 target=[5]
6/6=1 to bet (10) win so now 6-1=5-6 target=[6]
Target reached after 23 bets
Can any one tell me why in the example below the divisior was dropped by 3 points (from 4 to 1)?
"Your next bet, then, is $12.50 divided by four, which gives you a vet, rounded off, of $3. If this bet won, say, at 2/1 you would have a profit of $6 coming off the $12.50, leaving you only $6.50 to get to complete the Six Point Plan, with a divisor of 1. At this point you can simply rule off that particular section and begin a completely new Six Point target and divisor"
I love this money management strategy. Massive thanks Lanky for sharing.
Lanky,
Can you go over the double street bets on Roulette using your method?
Thanks,
John
Lanky?
Yes his name was Lanky he came in as a guest. (see the beginning of the post). But I don't mind if someone knows the answer to respond.
John
I have always been curios about this divisor plan. Has any one tried to use this for 3 months straight already and see if it's really that effective? (https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinkss%3A%2F%2Fimagicon.info%2Fcat%2F10-3%2Fsmile2.png&hash=471c4bfde9a8eaaecc106f26429c893406565ad6)
Hi lanky,
Is it possible to use it for inside bet ... let say 9 numbers...how to apply the rules?thanks
cheshire, lanky probably removed it.
the wording is at archive.org here
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