Is there any members here ho likes to play baccarat?
Cheers Lucky Strike
No one :-?
Sorry LS, I've never played it. (I stick to Poker,Craps and Roulette).
Good luck.
Matt
Hey LS, yes I quite enjoy baccarat, even though the streaks can be murder sometimes :)
I've been using the U2HiSA method by Cooper et al over at the beatthecasino.com/bb forum with some success. The good part is the drawdowns are limited and can be recouped fairly quickly (but streaks of 4&5 can tend to hurt). I'm quite open to new ideas/strategies, what strategy do you play?
Well i have an idea and i want to develop a strategy for baccarat but cant compare my ideas to other methods, they seems to be hard to find.
Where can i read about this "U2HiSA" can you send it to me PM or post the link :)
Cheers Lucky Strike
I got it and know i am a member over there and
reading about U Hi stuff :)
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hey LS, as you'll see with the U2Hi method it's an interesting approach on differential betting with very low stakes (the lowest i've ever seen actually)...Now this method is fallible to streaks of 4 followed by 3, but if you limit your losses to -8u you should be fine as the method appears to win more often then not, and always try and play on choppy tables (however, that's no guarantee as even choppy tables have a few ugly streaks). I try and keep a profit limit of +10u (meaning i get out once I reach it, now Cooper mentions doing it differently but that's what works for me so far). Oh yeah, and following the method, the maxim "Get out if you're Losing" has never been true-er because once u start losing, u'll see it's very hard to become positive again.
Now Cooper et al, do have a updated version called U2HiSAP which they sell for $500, now I don't know how good it is but the few senior forum posters do claim that it works as they apparently claim it has "no losing streaks" meaning it should win over choppy/streaky tables alike.
Lemme know what you think and if you need any help trying out ur baccarat method...which I will be glad to test on live dealer casinos... 8-)
Thanks.
I find it interesting to see what a IQ of 160 has to say about how to play the game :)
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hee, count me inn also!! ;) I also like to play Baccarat or Punto Banco as it is known around here.
Carlitos 8-)
I have palyed lots of bac over the years looked at lots of systems they al lfail at some point
QuoteI have palyed lots of bac over the years looked at lots of systems they al lfail at some point
Hi Natural 9.
Can you rephrase that and share with us.
Tell us what you find out to be the smoothest way to play :)
Cheers Lucky Strike
I have tested and tried alot of Izaks methods all fail eventually I studiesdsome of the methods from the twister series all said to work but fail too works under certain conditions also they reckon casinos orchestrate shoes
One I am still interested in is a system you have for even bets in roulete LS i paste it here FROM GAMBLERS GLEN I couldnt get it to fail after hundred shoes
To start you take a scorecard and make 19 columns. Three deep
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B
B B B B B B B B B P B B B P B B P P B
B P B P B P B B P B P B P P B P B P B
Wait one decision if B you play B if P you play opposite of this template
use Fibro progression in uits 2,3,4,5,6,7
use suitable stop loss there are more rules for this if some are in terested i can put the rest in
Regards Natural
Maybe we can ask Victor to have a separate Baccarat forum as methods that work for bac can be used in the even chances of roulette
I totally love it. The idea to have a Baccarat Section.
I hope VLS would agree :) and you can count on that i will post there :)
Regarding your post above i made a similar test.
You can call it Nano Cut Point something.
It has one subjective element and one mechanical element to it.
I depends on series of 2 like RB BR that 2 singels i a row, a serie of 2 and RR BB thats also 2 series of 2.
The interesting thing here is that i can get a Estat of almost 3,0 playing this way.
Its like creating a bandwagon that will break even at large chaotic distribution and gain a profit at small chaotic distribution.[smiley=lolk.gif]
Now this is confusing because the large chaotic events is the small ones and the small chaotic events is the large ones :)
I still trying to fine tune this and want to find a way to play not just those events i also want to play in the middle.
Maybe i will continue with this and post it.
We will see.
Natural 9 would you like to PM me this method you mention?
Cheers Lucky Strike
Yes mate thanks
very much appreciated
Natural
Hey a Baccarat section sounds like a great idea, for us mortals who do not play BJ or Craps :P
Natural9 your method seems very interesting and is different from following the last decision with the caveat being to play mostly Banker. However, streaks do seem to appear in Baccarat and what if u hit a long player streak, would the fibo progression still hold up? And places like Dublinbet, have a 10Euro minimum bet for Bacc, so playing fibo progression could get very close to table minimums within 6-7 progressions...will try and test it also...
Hi LS,
I tried to read over ur method but wasn't sure I understood it. Are u saying that u wait for trigger sequences to come before playing? And what do u mean by large vs small chaotic distributions (as in number of large vs small streaks?)...any method that adapts itself to table conditions sounds very interesting to me, so any further details LS would be much appreciated..thx 8-)
You play the column with Fibro progression every time you hit you start the top of next column there are also triggers when you stop and start on banker or player template
QuoteI have tested and tried alot of Izaks methods all fail eventually I studiesdsome of the methods from the twister series all said to work but fail too works under certain conditions also they reckon casinos orchestrate shoes
One I am still interested in is a system you have for even bets in roulete LS i paste it here FROM GAMBLERS GLEN I couldnt get it to fail after hundred shoes
To start you take a scorecard and make 19 columns. Three deep
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B
B B B B B B B B B P B B B P B B P P B
B P B P B P B B P B P B P P B P B P B
Wait one decision if B you play B if P you play opposite of this template
use Fibro progression in uits 2,3,4,5,6,7
use suitable stop loss there are more rules for this if some are in terested i can put the rest in
Regards Natural
Hi Natural9,
So if I understand it correctly. Let's say u start on first column and P hits, then for the next two bets (down 1st column) u'll be playing B? And if B, were to hit at the start of the column then u'll play B for the next two bets? So essentially, ur always betting on B? Because u wrote "Wait one decision if B you play B if P you play opposite of this template", what does opposite of template mean?
And u keep saying fibro, is that the fibonacci progression (1-1-2-3-4-5-8-13...)?
Could you please post the rest/complete rules of the system as I would be interested to try it out...
Thanks!
Mystidark
QuoteQuoteI have tested and tried alot of Izaks methods all fail eventually I studiesdsome of the methods from the twister series all said to work but fail too works under certain conditions also they reckon casinos orchestrate shoes
One I am still interested in is a system you have for even bets in roulete LS i paste it here FROM GAMBLERS GLEN I couldnt get it to fail after hundred shoes
To start you take a scorecard and make 19 columns. Three deep
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B
B B B B B B B B B P B B B P B B P P B
B P B P B P B B P B P B P P B P B P B
Wait one decision if B you play B if P you play opposite of this template
use Fibro progression in uits 2,3,4,5,6,7
use suitable stop loss there are more rules for this if some are in terested i can put the rest in
Regards Natural
Hi Natural9,
So if I understand it correctly. Let's say u start on first column and P hits, then for the next two bets (down 1st column) u'll be playing B? And if B, were to hit at the start of the column then u'll play B for the next two bets? So essentially, ur always betting on B? Because u wrote "Wait one decision if B you play B if P you play opposite of this template", what does opposite of template mean?
And u keep saying fibro, is that the fibonacci progression (1-1-2-3-4-5-8-13...)?
Could you please post the rest/complete rules of the system as I would be interested to try it out...
Thanks!
Mystidark
You play the B template if B hits first or the opposite if P hit you keep tab of how one gets ahead of the other if by 3 in first 10 bets automatically switch to the opposite template its is dominence method once ten decisions are played you keep playing the dominent you can play fibronacci anyway you want but going up units on loss is best way i think
After hand 11 I do not switch unless the Player is ahead by 3. Then at that time start using Player where Bank is.
The mm system I use is starting at 1 unit and when lose go up one level to 2. If win go down 1 unit. If at 1 stay at 1 till you lose. I use thr progression ,2,3,4,5,6,7 And stop at level 7 and start over at 1. Thus if you lost every bet you would be down 27 units. Also if I win two in a row I go down 2 units. and if I W-L-W after the second win here I would go down two units.
Example
B B B P P P P B P P B Remember the first hand was Bank
1- bet column 1 row 1 Bank win one unit
2- bet column 2 row 1 Bank win one unit
3- bet column 3 row 1 Bank win one unit
4- bet column 4 row 1 Bank lose one unit
5- bet column 4 row 2 Bank lose two units
6- bet column 4 row 3 Player win three units
7- bet column 5 row 1 Bank lose two units
8- bet column 5 row 2 Bank win three units
9- bet column 6 row 1 Bank lose one unit
10 bet column 6 row 2 Bank lose two units
11 # Here Player is ahead of Bank 6-4 So I switch at this point There is less than 12 hands and Player is 2 more than Bank.
so column 6 row 3 would ahve been Player but I switch so I bet Bank replacing Player with Bank
11 column 6 row 3 Bank wins three units.
After 12+ hands I would wait till the other side is 3 ahead. And the next bet wherever we are in columns or row would switch.
So what you are saying Natural is that, in your example if within 10 or 12 hands, P is greater then B by 2 or more; then that entire template (scorecard) changes, all P become B and all B become P...hope thats rite
So how do u start playing the game then, do u wait until u see B leading by 2 or more within 12 hands and then start playing with Column 1 Row 1 (B) or do just start the game at any point with the B bet and then adjust accordingly?
And does the scorecard stay permanent or does it vary with each game?
Hope my questions makes sense...
Colegas, tengo muchísimos Sistemas de Baccarat, si me dicen donde los puedo almacenar para que luego Ustedes los bajen, cuenten con ellos.
De todas maneras, les comento el que me parece mejor: Jugar a Banco, si sale Banco, no jugar el siguiente pase, si sale Punto, jugar el siguiente pase a Punto.
P -1
P +1
P -1
T
B -1
P -1
B -1
T
B +1
T
B
B +1
P
B +1
B
P -1
P +1
T
P -1
B -1
P -1
B -1
B 1
P
P -1
B -1
B 1
P
B 1
T
B
B 1
Para usar una progresión muy suave, empezar el zapato, suponiendo que tenemos que recuperar 3 fichas.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
QuoteSo what you are saying Natural is that, in your example if within 10 or 12 hands, P is greater then B by 2 or more; then that entire template (scorecard) changes, all P become B and all B become P...hope thats rite
So how do u start playing the game then, do u wait until u see B leading by 2 or more within 12 hands and then start playing with Column 1 Row 1 (B) or do just start the game at any point with the B bet and then adjust accordingly?
And does the scorecard stay permanent or does it vary with each game?
Hope my questions makes sense...
No your queations are fine
first decisions is say bank you then play the Bank template for whole shoes unless there is trigger to player in first 11 or so decsions swich it one get more than two ahead
Other switch we play is if say we playing on Banker and player wins say 3 in a row we than play
Player template I think this triggering can be improved possibly but 3 in row works good as well or you could wait till one gets ahead by more than 2 for your switch trigger there was a shoe someone played i know of won 80 units becase of banker winning like 60 to 20 played on the streak
The MM is important too on this method
I hope this helps
Regards Natural
P -1 no bet play P template
P +1 +2 new column
P -1 +2 new column col 2 row 1
T
B -1 -2 new column col 3 row 1
P -1 +3 col 3 row 2
B -1 -2 new column col 3 row 1 and so on
T
B +1 -3
T
B +4
B +1 -2
P +3
B +1 -2
B -3 switch to bank
P -1 +4
P +1 -2
T
P -1 -3
B -1 +4
P -1 -2
B -1 +3
B 1 +2
P -2
P -1 -3
B -1 +4
B 1 +2
P +2
B 1 +2
T
B +2
B 1 +2
15 units reasons start with 2 units is that you can play on $5 tables
hope I not made any mistakes has been awhile since i play it
I hope this helps
Regards Natural
Hi Natural, thanks for the explanations...seems to make a lot more sense now...will definitely try it out at the live dealer casinos and let u know how it goes...do u currently play baccarat and if so, do u use this method?
Lucky Strike, have u tried out the U2HiSA yet?
Mystidark
Baccarat section... I have no problem in opening it for you guys :thumbsup:
What name would you want for it?
tha nks for that Victor
I dunno what call it maybe luckys and naturals or luckys bac forum bac forum or just plain ole bac forum :D ;D :-/
QuoteHi Natural, thanks for the explanations...seems to make a lot more sense now...will definitely try it out at the live dealer casinos and let u know how it goes...do u currently play baccarat and if so, do u use this method?
Lucky Strike, have u tried out the U2HiSA yet?
Mystidark
I tried twister anti twister and advanced twister and all failed there are triggers to use em and at bac forum they go on bout casino orchestration U2hi is another version from that forum you have change as shoes changes and they reckon casinos orchestrate shoes from choppy to streak tyo somewhere in between depending on the players so you are a moving target not static
But there is so much subjectivity to it one could be playing along another who has same methods one could lose other win
But from what i heard the U2hi might be ok
NATURAL
QuoteBaccarat section... I have no problem in opening it for you guys :thumbsup:
What name would you want for it?
Maybe..."Baccarat Whales" 8-)
QuoteQuoteBaccarat section... I have no problem in opening it for you guys :thumbsup:
What name would you want for it?
Maybe..."Baccarat Whales" 8-)
;D :D ;) :) :o
Thanks VLS how about Baccarat Wars or just Baccarat Section.[smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Cheers Lucky Strike :)
Enjoy it lucky, you are the Moderator of the newly created Baccarat section:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?board=baccarat
[smiley=3D-gros-anim/36_2_25.gif]
Thank you i will do my very beast :)
Cheers LS
Hi VLS i was going to make it a nice with a post - the basics guide lines - and wanted to post a "Sticky" Part 1 How the game is played.
But i cant because when i change to sticky i cant chose Card Games at the menu?
Cheers LS
Hi Natural,
Please provide more examples data.
How do you address ties??In simple English please.
Thank you.
In plain English
Ties are ignored
Victor is it possible remove this thread here and put it in baccarat section
Regards
Hey Natural,
Played twice today using the scorecard...won +6 units one time (bit choppy so quit then) and +11 units the next time (went to end of the 19 column and stopped) :thumbsup: So far going well, but probably needs a good stop-loss and limit profit amount...hmmm
Keep Testing!
Mystidark 8-)
Now i was wondering if you follow B or P that's ahead, when do you switch? When do you decide that the opposite has become dominate and decide to follow it!
I also want to test it :)
Cheers LS
Hi LS,
In my second game, I started just when the decks came out and waited to see dominance (either 3 Bs or Ps in a row or if either B/P is ahead of the other by 3 in 11 decisions-bit of tracking needed for the second one)...so I had 3 Ps that hit and I switched the scorecard so that all Bs became Ps and Ps became Bs (hope that makes sense) and then switched once more at the end because the Bs had taken dominance...
Still need to get the second dominance category down pat...practice makes perfect :thumbsup: However, I do believe a profit limit might be a good addition...will test...
Mystidark 8-)
wel you can do it a couple of ways for switching
one if either B or B get ahead by say three then switc h or if B or p win 3 to 4 in a row then switch both
Another +10 units, now that was a dream session, predictable and smooth @ dublinbet :thumbsup:
Mystidark 8-)
Cool Mysti
when I tested it it average bout 12 units a shoe was hard to get it to lose actually
Quote
I have tested and tried alot of Izaks methods all fail eventually I studiesdsome of the methods from the twister series all said to work but fail too works under certain conditions also they reckon casinos orchestrate shoes
One I am still interested in is a system you have for even bets in roulete LS I paste it here FROM GAMBLERS GLEN I couldnt get it to fail after hundred shoes
To start you take a scorecard and make 19 columns. Three deep
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B
B B B B B B B B B P B B B P B B P P B
B P B P B P B B P B P B P P B P B P B
Wait one decision if B you play B if P you play opposite of this template
use Fibro progression in uits 2,3,4,5,6,7
use suitable stop loss there are more rules for this if some are in terested I can put the rest in
Regards Natural
A Game of 80
BPB
BPB
BPB
BBP
BPB
BBP
BPP
BPB
BPB
BPB
BPB
BPB
BPP
BBP
BPP
BBB
BBB
BBB
BP
B Game of 80
BBP
BPP
BBP
BBB
BBB
BBB
BPB
BPB
BBP
BPP
BPP
BBB
BBB
BPB
BPP
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C Game of 80
BBP
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BBP
BPP
BBB
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BBP
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BPB
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BBP
BPB
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D Game of 80
BBP
BPB
BBB
BBB
BBP
BPB
BPB
BBP
BPB
BBP
BBP
BBB
BPP
BBB
BBP
BBB
BBP
BBB
BBB
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PLZ add something to this, how do you use it? I will continue this later.
Cheers LS
QuoteQuote
I have tested and tried alot of Izaks methods all fail eventually I studiesdsome of the methods from the twister series all said to work but fail too works under certain conditions also they reckon casinos orchestrate shoes
One I am still interested in is a system you have for even bets in roulete LS I paste it here FROM GAMBLERS GLEN I couldnt get it to fail after hundred shoes
To start you take a scorecard and make 19 columns. Three deep
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B
B B B B B B B B B P B B B P B B P P B
B P B P B P B B P B P B P P B P B P B
Wait one decision if B you play B if P you play opposite of this template
use Fibro progression in uits 2,3,4,5,6,7
use suitable stop loss there are more rules for this if some are in terested I can put the rest in
Regards Natural
A Game of 80
BPB
BPB
BPB
BBP
BPB
BBP
BPP
BPB
BPB
BPB
BPB
BPB
BPP
BBP
BPP
BBB
BBB
BBB
BP
B Game of 80
BBP
BPP
BBP
BBB
BBB
BBB
BPB
BPB
BBP
BPP
BPP
BBB
BBB
BPB
BPP
BBP
BBB
BBB
C Game of 80
BBP
BBB
BBP
BPP
BBP
BPP
BBB
BPP
BBP
BBP
BPP
BPB
BPP
BBP
BPB
BBB
BBB
BBB
B
D Game of 80
BBP
BPB
BBB
BBB
BBP
BPB
BPB
BBP
BPB
BBP
BBP
BBB
BPP
BBB
BBP
BBB
BBP
BBB
BBB
B
PLZ add something to this, how do you use it? I will continue this later.
Cheers LS
Not sure what you mean Lucky but I will add a little to this in theory you could make up any template you want but reason for this is one here is to catch the dominent side P or B and it does quite well in that regards and switching rules are quite important too
You play a column till it hits then start new on new one if you come to end of 19 columns you start again you get some big wins of over 30 units at times with this
Am gonna properly start testing Natural's method in the next coming weeks and post results then...so far it's been doing well with the losses being minor and recouped within the next 2 sessions...hmmm, interesting that it works plus the MM is good too (the gambler in me was wondering how it'd do with the deadly martingale, or maybe the grand martingale :P...haha, i knw i knw, I've learnt my lesson to stay away from that death trap) :thumbsup:
Mystidark 8-)
Great:thumbsup:but if you tell me how you do it i will run it now :)
Cheers LS
I made a score card for this one.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg150.imageshack.us%2Fimg150%2F1638%2Fscorecard19tp7.png&hash=16be395a5220392896a8e9659d453399213077fd)
Cheers LS
Well LS in a nutshell, you start the betting with Column 1 at the start of a Bacc game and if you lose the first bet, you move down the same column until Row 3 and then you move to Column 2. However, if at anytime in one column you win, then you immediately switch to the next column (without needing to move down the same column). Thus, only move down if you lose; if you win move to the next adjacent column and start again from Row 1 of that column.
Now, there are two situations when this scorecard switches (meaning all B's become P's and all P's become B's): 1) If you see three consecutive P's (or B's) then you switch the scorecard (SC) to the dominant one (meaning if while playing the current B-dominant scorecard, you get 3 P's in a row then you switch all B's to P's and all P's to B's and it now becomes a P-dominant SC)
2) You also switch the SC, if within 11 spins P (or B) becomes dominant, as in appears equal to or greater then 8 times out of 11 spins. So when this happens you again switch the SC like mentioned beforehand. Hope that makes sense LS, plz read the previous posts as I've asked all these before and Natural's answered clearly.
Concerning MM, you start a 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 progression. If you lose you move up one bet, and if you win you move down. If you win 2 times in a row (eg. LWW) or you win 2 times within 3 hands (eg. WLW), then you move two levels down the progression (eg. if you were at bet 4, and that hand you won the second time within 3 hands, you move down to Bet 2, instead of to Bet 3).
Hope all this makes sense...read the previous posts for much clarification with examples that Natural's put up.
Looking forward to your results LS :thumbsup:
Mystidark 8-)
Thats great Lucky
Hi Lucky,
One of the template is missing.The twelve one.
Ken.
kenwira i post them later, not now.
LS
@all
Baccarat or as it´s played here in Vienna €20 Min up to 6000 € is one of the most common Thing´s for HIGH-ROLLERS
IT`S quite a simple Game like Coin tossing ,but it work´s well with the Fibonacci on Double Hits ,betting on Banker
CU
RCEC
Quote from: lucky strike on May 19, 2008, 07:17:13 PM
Is there any members here ho likes to play baccarat?
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi Lucky Matilda here i like baccarat but like you said not many good systems out there i paid $299 us for the Preditor system garranteed not to fail but its such a child like system i havent used it once yet waste of money. Just paid the $500 for the members system on the beat the casinos site i havent got a password yet so no entry hope its worth the money matilda