I changed part this system. The changes are outlined a few pages into this thread.
I'm going to work on this a little at a time. I'll just keep updating this post:
It is a very simple system to play but I need to present the idea behind it before I can post it. So I will do that first then I will post it. This system does not rely on triggers and it flat bets most of the time. A safe up as you win prog is used from time to time and the highest bet is 3 units which is rare to make. The progression is only used to get to the win goal faster so you don't need to sit there for a whole shoe and play.
I have been using this system for about 3 weeks. It has not lost yet but that doesn't mean that it will never lose. It could suck, who knowns maybe I was getting lucky. I finished +150 units live on bet phoenix. I am not sure how many shoes I played it on I made the mistake of not saving my shoes. I was going to wait awhile until I posted it because I really want to test it good but I don't have the time to test. Also testing this system is a bit unique because you need to have consecutative shoes so you have to play live unless you have shoes from the same table. I'll go in more depth with testing after I explain the system.
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Update:
So here is the idea behind the system:
I made a post about using the previous shuffle to win. This is an idea that I thought of about a month ago (I'm sure that someone thought of it before me though) and I forgot about it then returned to it about 4 weeks ago. To understand the system you need to understand my logic behind it. So here it is...
The idea behind the system is that we want to exploit the shuffle. We can gather all sorts of knowledge about the shuffle and use this to our advantage. This knowledge can be acquired through various resources which can be found online using google and through other forums. So here are two basic facts that we know...1.) I have read and been told that it takes about 7-9 riffle shuffles to randomize a deck of playing cards. 2.) I have also been told that clumping may occur during shuffle. We will use these observations to form the framework of the system. And we can also use another observation to our advantage. This observation is that a shuffle never seems to be exactly the same as the previous shuffle and it also never seems to be totally different than the last shoe. This could be a result of the effectiveness of the shuffle and clumping.
Now we need to go one step further by looking into the the shoe and applying the observations about the shuffle to the game. If we are using an 8 deck shoe then there are 416 cards in a shoe (8*52=416). Each card must fall into a certain position (or the card would not exist in the shoe), I will call the position that a cards falls into a slot. Since there are 416 cards in an 8 deck shoe there are 416 slots. Again, each card falls into one slot. The slots are always the same (1, 2, 3, 4, etc..) but the cards are different. If the first card of shoe A is a 6 of clubs then the 6 of clubs is in slot 1. If the 4th card of shoe A is a 5 of hearts then the 5 of hearts is in slot 4. So now we need to apply the observations to the make up of the shoe.
From the two observations we can summarize that the shoe B will never be exactly the same as shoe A but shoe B will also not be totally different from shoe A. This means that::
1.) the cards of shoe B are falling either in the same slots as the cards as shoe A or (in this case both shoes are the same)
2.) The cards of shoe B are falling close to but not in the same slots as shoe A. (in this case both shoes are different but at times could be the same)
Now this idea is not foolproof because baccarat is unique in the fact that it uses multiple cards in a single decision. However, if you can determine what the majority of the cards are doing then we will know what to bet. We can do this and we do not need to track the individual cards. We simply track the decisions because it is much eaiser to do than tracking the cards and it seems to give a somewhat arruract insight to how close the cards are falling to their original slots.
there are 2 different bets that you can make.
Bet 1: You bet for the current shoe to be the same as the previous shoe.
Bet 2: You bet for the current shoe to be the opposite of the previous shoe.
Bet 1 and Bet 2 often flip flop with eachother within a given shoe. For example you may go through a section of a shoe where shoe B is the same as shoe A. Then during a shoe you will see that a section of shoe B is different than shoe A. This is something that we need to use to our advantage and this is where tracking comes in.
You will rarely see an entire shoe where shoe B is the same or different than shoe A. The two bets often flip flop.
I am getting tired so I am going to stop for now. Tomorrow I will finish it up.
I no longer play the system the way that it about to be described. It has changed. and the changes are outlined a few pages into the thread.
The rest of this post should finish most of what I have to say about the method and how to play it.
The two types of bets:
1.) you bet for the current shoe to be the same as the previous shoe
2.) Or you bet for the current shoe to be opposite the last shoe.
As I said before, it is rare to play a shoe that is composed of all Bet 1's and all Bet 2's. When I first started the system I played it with the idea that the shoe would always be opposite of the previous shoe. that was a mistake because the shoe goes through periods where it is just like the previous shoe and where it is opposite of the previous shoe. So basically what you are trying to do is match up the sections of both shoes. This will make more sense by the end of the post.
Now I will explain how to play.
Tracking: There are two types of tracking. The first tracking is the tracking of the games and the second tracking is tracking whether the decsions are landing in the the same or opposite slots of the previous shoe. First I will explain tracking of the games.
I have not played this at a land casino and I probably will not get to do so for awhile. So I can't give much insight on how to track live. I assume that you can sit there and make some bets or stand back and track. When I play online I just just sit there and track each decision in excel.
You need to track one entire shoe. I don't make bets when I track the first shoe. However if this is something that you would like to do then that is up to you. At a land casino you would have to make bets unless you stand back from table.
-The first shoe that you track is Shoe A.
-Number each decision of shoe A. For example, the first decision is #1, the second decision is #2 and so on.
-You will begin betting during the second shoe which is shoe B.
-As you track shoe B make sure that it is next to the previous shoe (shoe A) so that the number of the decisions match up. For example: Decision 1 of shoe A should be next to decision 1 of shoe B. Decision 2 of shoe A should be next to decision 2 of shoe B and so on.
-After shoe B is complete you will begin shoe C. You will play shoe C and track shoe C just like you tracked shoe B. Again, make sure that the number decisions of shoe C match with the number decisions of B.
-During shoe C you will be using shoe B as the previous shoe to work off of.
-When you play shoe D you will be using shoe C as the previous shoe to work off of. And you continue to do this.
-After you leave the table or if you miss a shoe then you can no longer use the previous shoe. When you go to play again after a break you MUST track one entire shoe again. And this shoe will be shoe A.
-A session consists of continuous play at the same table. It always starts at shoe A.
Before I talk about the next type of tracking I will explain how to bet.
Betting:
-Your bet will be based off what happened in the current shoe and what happened in the previous shoe.
-You will look back at the individual decisions and compare them to the current decisions this is why it is important to match up the numbers of the decisions during tracking. If this is not done then you could get lost.
-Do not bet the first decision. This is for tracking purposes which will be explained soon.
When to bet the opposite: If the decision of the current shoe is the opposite of the decision of the previous shoe then you bet for the next decision of the current shoe to bet the opposite of the next decision of the previous shoe.
Example:
Shoe A Shoe B
1) B 1.) P --P is opposite B so you look at the next decision of shoe A. This decision is P so you bet for B. You are betting the opp.
2) P 2.) B ---You win. B is the opposite of P. So you look to the next decision of shoe A and you bet the opposite. You are betting for P
3) B 3.) P----YOU win and do the same, you are betting for P next
4) B 4.) P --you win and do the same
When to bet that both shoes will be the same: If the decision of the current shoe is the same as the decision of the previous shoe then you bet for the next decision of the current shoe to be the same as the next decision of the previous shoe.
Example:
Shoe A Shoe B
1) B 1.) B-- We have a B in shoe A at #1 and a B in shoe B at #1. Both are the same. Bet for the next decision to be the same as #2 in shoe A.
2) P 2.) P---You Win. Both decisions are the same. Bet for the next decision to be the same as the next decision in shoe A. Bet for B.
3) B 3.) B --You Win..Do the same. Bet for B
4) B 4.) B--You win, do the same. Bet for the next decision of shoe B to be the same as the next decision of shoe A.
During a Tie you do not Bet.
Example
Shoe A Shoe B
1) P 1.) P --looking at the next bet of shoe A you see that you have a tie. Do not bet.
2) T 2.) No Bet (lets say that a P came out) Now you have a P in the next decision and since the last decision was the same but the same way.
3) P 3.) P --Win
When you have a tie in Shoe A, do not bet that decision of shoe B. Then bet bet the same way as the last outcome before the tie.
It is possible to bet ties but I don't like to. If you want to bet ties then I have noticed that ties seems to come 3 decisions before or after the Tie in the previous shoe. And many ties often fall in the exact same slot as the previous shoe.
Tracking when to bet for the current shoe to be the same or opposite the previous shoe:
A tracking method is needed so you know which side to bet. As I said before, sticking to betting just one side an entire shoe may not work all the time. It didn't work for me.
I made a tracking method which is very simple. It uses a count. The count works like this:
-There are two sides to the count. The current shoe being the same as the previous shoe goes on YOUR right side and the current shoe being opposite the previous shoe goes on YOUR left side In the middle I stick a V. The V means versus.
So it should look like this: current shoe opposite the previous shoe V current shoe the same as previous shoe.
-With the count you are simply adding 1 to each side.
-When Shoe B is the same as shoe A, you add 1 to the right side.
-When shoe B is opposite shoe A, you add 1 to the left side.
-You bet based off which side has the higher count.
-You do not bet when the count is even.
The count should dictate which side is dominate during play. It should show what a given section of the shoe is doing. this means that you should have a somewhat accurate idea of whether the cards are falling into their original slots or not.
-You do not bet when the count is even because the two sides are switching with each other at a 1:1 rate. This is bad so you don't bet because you want to avoid this situation.
UPDATE: I think I forgot to add this.You always bet the side that has the higher count.
So if the count is 2v0 and the last decision was of the same. Then the count is now 2v1. Since the opposite side has the higher count, you bet for the opposite. ---This is important
Here are some more rules with the count:
-After a count totaling 5 has been established you reset the count to 0v1 or 1v0. You do not reset the count to 0v0.
-The side that gets the 1 pt is the side that occurred last. So if shoe B is was the same as shoe A then the right side gets 1 (0v1). If shoe B is opposite shoe A then the left side gets 1pt (1v0). a count will never go above 5.
Here are some example counts:
0v1, 2v0, 2v1, 1v1, 2v3 (this would be reset), 4v0, 0v4.
Final rule with counts and betting:
Do not bet the first decision. Before the shoe even starts you are at 0v0. This is a tie so you don't bet. The first decision will add 1pt to either the right or left side. You will begin betting the second decision based off the count.
Progression:
I prefer to flat bet but sometimes it takes too long to recover. So I use a slight positive progression that is only used when you start to get down. This is inspired by marven's 5 level staking plan.
the progression looks like this 1-1 (3 level staking plan)--safer version
-You start by betting 1 unit.
-If you win then you continue to bet 1 unit.
-If you lose then you bet 1 unit again
-If you win the second 1 unit bet then you are recovered and you go back to the 1st 1 unit bet. and continue to flat bet.
-If you lose the second 1 unit bet then you start the 3 level staking plan. The plan will start with an L. this means that you are making another 1 unit bet.
-If you win then the staking plan looks like this LW. So you need to bet 1 unit again.
-If you win then the staking plan looks like this LWW, but you are recovered. So you go all the way back to the first 1 unit bet and continue to flat bet since you have recovered.
the instances explained above will basically keep you flat betting the entire time. Now I will go into instances where you are no longer flat betting.
-You lost the first 2, one unit bets. Then you lost the first bet of the staking plan. So it looks like this L L (LL)--Now if you are wondering why there is an LL in the staking plan instead of an L then that is because the staking plan always starts with an L. So if you have 3 losses then it will show as 4.
-So anyway, the staking plan looks like this (LL) Now you lose the next bet. You have this (LLL)
-You win the next bet You have this: (LLW) So you will bet 1 unit again.
-You win the next bet so you have this: (LWW) Now you will have 2 units to bet
-You win the next bet so you have this (WWW) Now in this instance I bet 2 units again. And if I win the next bet I bet 3 units.
-However if you were to lose that bet then you would have this (WWL) in this instance I drop down to 1 unit. whenever you have WWL Bet 1 unit.
So here are some keep points.
-progression 1-1- (3 level staking plan)
-If you win any of the first 3 bets then you restart at the 1unit bet, your goal is to win flat betting.
-Only enter the 3 level staking plan after losing the first 2 bets. If you are winning then you will always be at the 1 unit bet.
-After you lose the second 1 unit bet always start the staking plan off with an L. So it will look like this L-L (L)--you only lost two bets, but you start the staking plan off with an L.
-in this situation (WWW) only bet 2 units, then when you get (WWW) the second time in a row bet 3 units. You don't have to do this. I prefer to do this.
-In this situation (WWL) Bet 1 unit. Then if you win bet 2 units because you will have this (WLW).
-That is how I play the 3 level staking plan. I like this progression because it is safe. It makes it possible to achieve a win goal by flat betting. It also allows you to preserve your wins. For example. If you have this sequence (LLL) then you win, you will have (LLW). you are made 1 unit. Then if you win the next bet you have this: (LWW), You made 2 units. Then if you lose the next bet you have this (WWL) you lost 2 units, but they were two units that you made so it isn't dragging your bankroll down even more. If you play this the correct way then you may begin to understand why I play it like this.
the win goal is 6-8 units. I like to shoot for 6 units total after commission.
Testing:
If you plan to test then you MUST test on continuous shoes from the same table. Testing takes a lot of time.
Improvement:
it may make more sense to look at groupings of the results rather than each individual result. this is a direction that I may take this method in if it does not work.
-I also have another idea which I can't fully remember right now, but it is somewhere in my head so when it comes back to me I'll record it.
If there are any questions then I'll answer them.
John, how often do you bet in each shoe on average?
I don't bet when I come across a tie in shoe A, I don't bet the first decision for tracking reasons, and I don't bet if the tracking score is even. All of this will be explained when I explain the system. They are the only 3 situations that stop me from betting. The situation of the tracking score being even depends on the shoe. Don't worry all this will be explained.
Quote from: John1234 on August 12, 2009, 05:50:14 PM
I don't bet when I come across a tie in shoe A, I don't bet the first decision for tracking reasons, and I don't bet if the tracking score is even. All of this will be explained when I explain the system. They are the only 3 situations that stop me from betting. The situation of the tracking score being even depends on the shoe. Don't worry all this will be explained.
Bring it on John and :biggrin:keep up the good work
Quote from: Natural9 on August 12, 2009, 06:25:58 PM
Bring it on John and :biggrin:keep up the good work
haha I'll try. Hopefully this one will work out
Hi John!
I've been following your treads for a while now. All VERY intresting. .
You are completly right about the patterns that appears from the previous shuffle. I've been looking at around 50 shoes since you wrote about it the first time. Even the ties seems to sync from time to time. The hard thing is to know when to switch to same or opposite.
I'm excited about your ideas.
Keep up the good work!
Quote from: fatherfred on August 13, 2009, 12:38:50 PM
Hi John!
I've been following your treads for a while now. All VERY intresting. .
You are completly right about the patterns that appears from the previous shuffle. I've been looking at around 50 shoes since you wrote about it the first time. Even the ties seems to sync from time to time. The hard thing is to know when to switch to same or opposite.
I'm excited about your ideas.
Keep up the good work!
Yes the ties do seem insync from time to time. It amazes me. Almost every shoe that I have played I have been able to predict when a tie is going to come. A tie will usually arrive 3 decisions before or after the original tie from the previous shoe. Then there are also many instances where the tie lands on the exact same slot. This is the pattern that I have noticed but I never bet ties.
John, If the count says to bet opposite but the last decision was the same, what do you bet?
Quote from: dennisbelle on August 13, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
John, If the count says to bet opposite but the last decision was the same, what do you bet?
You bet the opposite. You always bet the side that is higher.
So if the count is 2v0 and the last decision was of the same. Then the count is now 2v1. Since the opposite side has the higher count, you bet for the opposite.
I don't know if I even mentioned that so I will look back and add that in. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
John I am thinking that zumma shoes are all numerical in order played one after another I wonder if someone would be able to tell me or disagree with me
Regards Rodney
Quote from: Natural9 on August 14, 2009, 03:52:52 AM
John I am thinking that zumma shoes are all numerical in order played one after another I wonder if someone would be able to tell me or disagree with me
Regards Rodney
do you mean 72 days at the baccarat table? I was thinking that maybe the shoes from that book are all from the same table too. I did some research to try to find out but I couldn't find anything. If they are then I will buy it for testing.
I just emailed zumma asking if the shoes are all played in order, one after another. Hopefully they will get back to me. I'll post what they say.
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this is what zumma said in the reply:
"The shoes were recorded in 5-8 hours blocks (approx. 1 shoe per hour). They were recorded at Harrah's by recording accuracy procedures in place. We thank Harrah's for their cooperation in making this valuable book possible."
So it seems as though you are correct to say that the shoes are played in order, one after the other. Maybe I will order the book.
Hi John,
I look forward to giving your system some testing, I have a couple of questions you say you already won about 150 units on bet phoenix so if you are making around 6 to 8 units a shoe you have played around 25 shoes, have you got a stop loss you use with this system as you have not talked about that yet, if you did win all shoes played whats the biggest drawdown you had and did it happen often.
Did you get paid out ok at bet phoenix as I've heard lots of bad things about playing online, that they do not pay up if you win the one I know is ok is dublinbet but if you are learning a new system they deal very fast so you do not get time to get bets on, I see that bet phoenix deals slower giving more time do they deal 8 decks or 6 as dublin is only 6 decks so a shoe within 30 minutes. I will do some testing in the next few days and let you know how it goes hoping it can hold up and thanks for all the great work you do here and for sharing.
Regards Gary
Quote from: Gary1712 on August 14, 2009, 06:13:12 PM
Hi John,
I look forward to giving your system some testing, I have a couple of questions you say you already won about 150 units on bet phoenix so if you are making around 6 to 8 units a shoe you have played around 25 shoes, have you got a stop loss you use with this system as you have not talked about that yet, if you did win all shoes played whats the biggest drawdown you had and did it happen often.
Did you get paid out ok at bet phoenix as I've heard lots of bad things about playing online, that they do not pay up if you win the one I know is ok is dublinbet but if you are learning a new system they deal very fast so you do not get time to get bets on, I see that bet phoenix deals slower giving more time do they deal 8 decks or 6 as dublin is only 6 decks so a shoe within 30 minutes. I will do some testing in the next few days and let you know how it goes hoping it can hold up and thanks for all the great work you do here and for sharing.
Regards Gary
that is a good question. I did not make a stop loss. I guess that can be based on your own personal preference. I would probably make my stop loss for a shoe between 20-30 units.
the largest drawdown that I had was 6 units. this happened twice. However in both shoes I made a few mistakes so that may have contributed to the drawdown. the average drawdown from my playing experience is around 2-3 units.
I was very worried about bet phoenix paying me out. I only put $200.00 on the site when I first started because I was not sure if they would pay me. But to my surprise the customer service has been great to me and the withdraw went great. If you live in USA then you have to contact them through live help or by phone to request a payment. They gave me two choices. I could either get a check or moneygram. I choose moneygram because I wanted my money instantly, I needed it for a new laptop screen because I head butted my old one and cracked it. I received the money gram by the next day and I took it two the bank and I had the money put in my bank account.
The only downside is that they take a % out for the processing fee. I do not remember what the % is but I am sure that they would tell you if you contact them. It wasn't that large. but I think it is worth it if you want your money by the next day, esp if you live in USA with all of the restrictions that we have to deal with. And I think that most online casinos take some sort of processing fee out. I could be wrong though.
I like baccarat at bet phoenix much more than dublin bet. I can't play for money at dublin bet but I played with play money. Sometimes I would have trouble getting my bets down fast enough. Bet phoenix gives you enough time plus they have that score card at the bottom of the screen. I also like how you can see the cards much better with bet phoenix.
I look forward to hearing some of your results. Hopefully it goes well for you.
Hi John,
Thanks for the reply I live in the UK we dont get many live casinos here like in the USA so playing online is the best way for me, Im a member of beat the casino but the best system on there is sap and you just dont get time on dublin to play that. I will give bet phoenix a try with your system, because its only flat betting most of the time im going to try a stop loss of around 8 units if lose go to next shoe im thinking maybe its best to lose now and then instead of go down 20 units and got to play 3 or 4 shoes to catch up I think getting the stop loss point right could be very important with your system to make it a long term winner. But if your drawdowns are the norm its looking a very interesting system to test out.
I am also a member of beat the casino forums but I am not a paid member. I have no idea what sap is though. The free system is complicated enough for me so I can't even imagine what sap is like.
You idea for a stop loss is good. It makes more sense to loseless then go onto the next shoe. I will probably follow that rule as well.
Yes I've been a paid member for just over a year now sap is very good but takes time to learn to play well, at the moment the main interest is SKOR which is a 2 unit hi system one of the members is making a program to give it a 1000 shoe test to see if it holds up, but I must say I like your system and am willing to give it a test it is very low risk which is very nice I hate systems where the the bets rise fast and in no time you can be 20 units down over about 10 hands or so.
well it is nice to here that there is a system that is working over in that paid forum. I wasn't sure if it is a scam or not. I agree with you about systems with bets that raise fast. That never used to bother me but now I can't stand it when bets go up too fast and when I lose money fast. I have probably had the most success with this system out of all of the systems that I have played in baccarat, craps, and roulette and the best part is that for once I do not need to bet 10 units to make 1 unit or 6 units to make 2 units. Baccarat is so much better you are not stressed and this system hasn't been stressful for me at all.
Quote from: John1234 on August 14, 2009, 06:57:25 PM
I needed it for a new laptop screen because I head butted my old one and cracked it.
I guess creating a new system can be frustrating ;D
Quote from: Jeromin on August 24, 2009, 09:19:22 AM
I guess creating a new system can be frustrating ;D
haha yep, it can be
I think that I am going to start playing again either tonight or tomorrow night. I will be playing for real money on bet phoenix again.
My goal is to win 4-6 units each session. I will be heading back to school tomorrow so I will be busy with school work and hockey. But I will shoot for 1 session per day. I probably won't be that consistent as far as how often I play but I'll try to work it into my schedule.
what system do you play john?
thanks
I will be playing the system that I posted in this thread. The system that uses the previous shoe.
Keep us posted John! You are clearly onto something. I the strategy you describe form the bot you were giving away and it worked very well so far on Dublin Bet.
The bot this forum needs is one that collects Baccarat actuals, seriously, specially from live casinos.
Yes I will give updates when I play. I am not going to play tonight because I am still not done packing for school. Hopefully I'll get to play tomorrow night when I get up to school. That is great that you are having success with that method so far. The reason why I had a bot coded is because sometimes it takes awhile and gets boring.
I agree we do need a bot that can collect actuals. If I ever get a little extra money then I will invest in one and add it to this forum.
oh hey john, i have question about bot system... i got 1, and 2nd bet but how do you bet the 3rd bet?
thanks
Quote from: Joker on August 25, 2009, 12:59:58 AM
oh hey john, I have question about bot system... I got 1, and 2nd bet but how do you bet the 3rd bet?
I will PM you to let you know. I don't want this thread to get too confusing because the bot deals with the capping system not this system.
I finally got to play and I had a good night. I am only going to be shooting to make 4-6 units (after commission) per day. I will probably only shoot for 4 units because of the issue of time.
Day 1: 08/25/09: +4 units---I won the 4 units by the 43rd decision. My largest drawdown was -3 units. I only made a 2 unit bet one time. I will be playing again tomorrow.
I will try to post an example shoe tomorrow.
Thank you so much John.. great help
and you used last shoe ... the one take advantage on shuffle system?
thank you again
Quote from: Joker on August 26, 2009, 02:01:52 AM
Thank you so much John.. great help
and you used last shoe ... the one take advantage on shuffle system?
thank you again
yes, I have been using the shuffle system
Quote from: Bo0Merang on August 26, 2009, 06:05:35 PM
Hello John I was try to day your shufle system and im actualy impressed I was wait one shoe wrote dawn from DB and then here we go it was fun realy . . . with some educated random guessing very nice job :good: :good: thank you for posting it here
I am very happy to hear that you liked it. It still continues to surprise me everytime I have success because as you said it is only educated guessing. I have a few ideas that will hopefully improve this system even more
Quote from: John1234 on August 26, 2009, 12:26:47 AM
I finally got to play and I had a good night. I am only going to be shooting to make 4-6 units (after commission) per day. I will probably only shoot for 4 units because of the issue of time.
Day 1: 08/25/09: +4 units---I won the 4 units by the 43rd decision. My largest drawdown was -3 units. I only made a 2 unit bet one time. I will be playing again tomorrow.
I will try to post an example shoe tomorrow.
Day 2 08/26/09: +4 units. I won the 4 units by the 18th decision. My largest drawdown was -3 units.
Total units won= +8 units
stop loss: An 8 unit stop loss has been added. If you lose 8 units then stop and continue recording the shoe. Then move on to the next shoe.
John do you ignore the tie? and this has to next shoe? or you can wait for couple shoe? thank you
Quote from: Joker on August 27, 2009, 12:59:42 AM
John do you ignore the tie? and this has to next shoe? or you can wait for couple shoe? thank you
Yes I just ignore ties. I ignore ties to make it less complicated. It should always be the next shoe. So you want to play continuous shoes.
I have an idea to tweak this method so that betting will no longer occur ever play. This idea came to me when I woke up so it seems good now but it may not be good later when I begin to use it.
I am thinking about adding virtual mode and a LW registry. I believe that this may strengthen the weakest part of the system. I have noticed that wins and losses seem to come in bunches. They not only come in bunches but they also seem to forum patterns such as LWLW, WLWL WWLW, LLWL, and then the primary patterns are WWW or LLL. The virtual mode will focus on 3 primary patterns such as
1) WL/LW
2) WW/LL
2) WLWW/LWLL
There will be a trigger when of when to bet. And I will go into more detail with this later because I need to get to class right now. But th original tracking method will still be in place along side of the LW registry.
When i get back I'll talk about the weak part of the system and why I think this will work. And also how I plan on playing it tonight.
Quote from: John1234 on August 27, 2009, 10:12:08 AM
I have an idea to tweak this method so that betting will no longer occur ever play. This idea came to me when I woke up so it seems good now but it may not be good later when I begin to use it.
I am thinking about adding virtual mode and a LW registry. I believe that this may strengthen the weakest part of the system. I have noticed that wins and losses seem to come in bunches. They not only come in bunches but they also seem to forum patterns such as LWLW, WLWL WWLW, LLWL, and then the primary patterns are WWW or LLL. The virtual mode will focus on 3 primary patterns such as
1) WL/LW
2) WW/LL
2) WLWW/LWLL
There will be a trigger when of when to bet. And I will go into more detail with this later because I need to get to class right now. But th original tracking method will still be in place along side of the LW registry.
When I get back I'll talk about the weak part of the system and why I think this will work. And also how I plan on playing it tonight.
I been testing a method it is hurt by the 3 then a chop then 3 again PPPBPPP type scenario but do they happen enough to kill my bankroll i doubt it but one never knows as the shoe can at times do what ever it wants
John you need to know the archilles heal of your method and does it happen enough to really worry about sometimes tweaks make it worse
Quote from: Natural9 on August 27, 2009, 10:40:56 AM
I been testing a method it is hurt by the 3 then a chop then 3 again PPPBPPP type scenario but do they happen enough to kill my bankroll I doubt it but one never knows as the shoe can at times do what ever it wants
John you need to know the archilles heal of your method and does it happen enough to really worry about sometimes tweaks make it worse
Yes I agree with you. I think that it happens enough, but at the same time it has not killed my bankroll yet. The tweak will either make it better or worse. I am just going to play around with it a little to see what happens, just for fun.
I'm not going to work on the tweak. I'll just keep playing and I'll keep the tweak in the back of my mind if the system fails.
There is an aspect of the count method which I need to fix. I will post on it after my session tonight. I got confused about my own rules while playing last night and I realized that it could be confusing in the system so I am going to repost about the count.
Quote from: John1234 on August 26, 2009, 09:43:55 PM
Day 2 08/26/09: +4 units. I won the 4 units by the 18th decision. My largest drawdown was -3 units.
Total units won= +8 units
stop loss: An 8 unit stop loss has been added. If you lose 8 units then stop and continue recording the shoe. Then move on to the next shoe.
Day 3: 08/27/09: +4 units
Total Units Won= +12 units
Sessions Played 3:::Sessions won 3 (session =1 shoe)
Today I made a slight change to the progression. It was recommend that I play the Midas money management system. At first glance it looked great but while playing I quickly found out that the bets can get a bit high at times...well too high for me. So I altered the Midas system to fit my playing style. I am not going to explain how I played it because I need to get my notes together. I will explain the tweak to the midas system later.
But the tweak to the midas progression worked great and kept bets low.
tonight was basically a losing shoe. I lost more bets than I won but the Midas system with the tweak got me out of it with my 4 unit win goal. I finished the shoe by the 34th decision. If I had been using the original progression then I still would have been playing. My largest drawdown was 3 units.
I will play the Midas with the tweak tomorrow and I will probably try for 6 units.
On Sat**day or Sunday I will play multiple sessions in a row.
I am about to play a session. While recording the results of shoe 1 and waiting for shoe 2 before I can begin I will spend sometime talking about the count.
In the original post I talked about the idea behind the count so I will not go into much detail there. I am just going to explain how to play it again. But the basic idea of the count is to trap the dominate side (Winning) side.
Here are some basic rules of the count from the original post. I have more to explain after:
-There are two sides to the count. The current shoe being the same as the previous shoe goes on YOUR right side and the current shoe being opposite the previous shoe goes on YOUR left side In the middle I stick a V. The V means versus.
So it should look like this: current shoe opposite the previous shoe V current shoe the same as previous shoe.
-With the count you are simply adding 1 to each side.
-When Shoe B is the same as shoe A, you add 1 to the right side.
-When shoe B is opposite shoe A, you add 1 to the left side.
-You bet based off which side has the higher count.
-You do not bet when the count is even.
The count should dictate which side is dominate during play. It should show what a given section of the shoe is doing.
-You do not bet when the count is even.
Now here is the confusing part
After each count totals 5, you will reset the count. This rule will be known as the count reset rule. I
I feel as though it is best to reset the count incase the non-dominate side begins to catch up with the dominate side. You do not want to get caught in a situation where you are betting the losing side. Remember you are betting the side with the higher count.
-Here is a situation of when to reset the count.
-the count reaches 3v0. This means that you are betting for the current shoe to be opposite the previous shoe.
-The next bet losses. This makes the count 3v1. So you have one more bet to make before you have to reset the count. 3+1=4. Again, you bet for the current shoe to be opposite the previous shoe because the left side is higher.
-The next bet losses. The count is now 3v2. The count is now equal to 5. The next be will be the same bet again, betting that the left will win. The side that wins the bet will be start the new count series. Again, you are betting the side that is higher.
So if the right side wins again. then the count will be 0v1. However if the left side wins then count will be 1v0. and you continue to a total of 5.
And again, when the count is even, you do not bet.
Day 4: 08/28/09: +4 units--still using tweaked version of the Midas touch which I will explain soon
I had my easiest shoe yet. I had a 0 unit drawdown and won the 4 units by the 7th decision.
I could have continued playing but I want to try to get another session in just to split the session up for testing purposes. I am in the process of recording this shoe so hopefully I'll get to play another session. If I do play another session then I'll update this post, if I don't update this post then I fell asleep and did not play.
Total Sessions played 4. Total Sessions Won: 4
Total Units Won= +16 units
I Tried playing for the extra 4 units. and I had my first losing shoe. I lost 16 units. So everything that I made this week I lost. I made the stop loss -12 units but I went a little longer. I finally stopped myself to preserve my bankroll to the point where it was at the beginning of the week. It is a bit of a set back but I just need to regroup and get back ontop of things. I will no longer be using the Midas Touch progression. I am going back to the original progression. I never should have switched. The bets get too high too fast, even with my tweak. Tomorrow I will play again with my 3 level staking plan progression with the flat bets.
I did have a lot of losing bets, I don't know how the 3 level staking plan would have done. I think the drawdown would have been lower but I think I still would have had a losing shoe.
Hows it going John, still winning.
I have tested this a bit and it looks fairly solid.
Even is you play the last decision (O or S, opposite or same as last shoe) with the oscars grind progression it seems to be easy to make a few units every shoe. Nice system for playing in a real casino as you only have to track one shoe and there is basically no more tracking after that.
Cheers
D
I had a few losing shoes but that is mostly because of a bad progression. Out of frustration I began to look into some roulette systems but I will consider what you said about oscars grind.
I guess I will get back to work on this system. Maybe there is something to this afterall. Who knows.However, I have had many shoes where I have lost more bets than i have won.
boomerang: It is nice to see that you are having some success. Hopefully it continues.
Quote from: Bo0Merang on August 31, 2009, 09:29:54 PM
hi D. im not using progression but so far becouse I dont play flat bet I just hit 4 orr 5 chips and close session . but as you said solid is solid
yea the original progression that I wrote of seems to be no good. There has to be something out there
what about the 6pt divisor? Maybe that could be the answer?
John thank you yes i do have succses but there is couple things when the winning decision not win on the 1 time there i aply random but not from before shoe and be honest it is 50/50 2 desicion win from before shoe and two from my own but the before shoe play god role on that.you know what is funny ?? i have been touch PB by you i even dont know the counts thats cards but what im sure when i see PBPBPBPPPP orr what ever i see roulette colors and that i like it, it is diferent but after playing just clean shoes to try about it is i can say i like it.I like it becouse this game not make me stress im quiet. :good:
Quote from: John1234 on August 31, 2009, 09:35:28 PM
what about the 6pt divisor? Maybe that could be the answer?
John im not spec. man but mild progression with 6pt d, can be definitly used i dont know how much u want exactly win but assume that you will play cleverly 5-7 100 chips ?? with bank 2000 ??? i thing this can be done with some light feeling that 3 what missing is that progression ;)
Quote from: Bo0Merang on August 31, 2009, 09:46:29 PM
John im not spec. man but mild progression with 6pt d, can be definitly used I dont know how much u want exactly win but assume that you will play cleverly 5-7 100 chips ?? with bank 2000 ??? I thing this can be done with some light feeling that 3 what missing is that progression ;)
I think that it can work. For example. I only am shooting to make $30.00 a shoe. That is 6 units after commission. The great thing about the 6pt divisor is that you can install safety breaks. My only problem is that i forget how to play it so I need to refresh my memory.
John in your playing how many times have you won 7 bets in a row and out of how many bets in total
Regards Rodney
ok assume that 30 divide 5 times what is 6 now you orr me can try bet 6 everytime for win and if is loose use 6pt divisor plan but i dont know which bank you use for winning 30 i will say 140??? that can be correct and not danger plus you can lower orr hier bet . when i play i use all time the same amount ill go with 25 from 500 credit no progresion all time till now finish with 4 wins no pain,plus im not betting from beginning i wait for minimal 10 and some chops if they come and offcourse that 10ns sometime more are for better check how luck before shoe and i skipping as well maximum what happened to me get 4 chips was 7 bets but im not run long time so i have documented all i will say when i have 150 shoes i will make loss win probabilyty ratio and will see.
Quote from: Natural9 on August 31, 2009, 10:06:16 PM
John in your playing how many times have you won 7 bets in a row and out of how many bets in total
Regards Rodney
I honestly have no idea. Wins and losses do seem to come in bunches though. it would be profitable if i could find some way to take advantage of that. But I cannot answer your questions. I have never had 7 wins in a row. At most I have had 5 maybe. But i have had many shoes where I have won the majority of my bets within a certain section. It is really all about timing.
Quote from: Bo0Merang on August 31, 2009, 10:10:08 PM
ok assume that 30 divide 5 times what is 6 now you orr me can try bet 6 everytime for win and if is lose use 6pt divisor plan but I dont know which bank you use for winning 30 I will say 140??? that can be correct and not danger plus you can lower orr hier bet . when I play I use all time the same amount ill go with 25 from 500 credit no progresion all time till now finish with 4 wins no pain,plus im not betting from beginning I wait for minimal 10 and some chops if they come and offcourse that 10ns sometime more are for better check how luck before shoe and I skipping as well maximum what happened to me get 4 chips was 7 bets but im not run long time so I have documented all I will say when I have 150 shoes I will make loss win probabilyty ratio and will see.
ok sounds good. I will also wait 10 decisions to see what is going on. I think this system would be much better if betting does not occur constantly.
Here is an observation that I have had while playing. I think that this observation can be used to our advantage. In a bad shoe you will lose more bets than you win. A bad shoe will typically stay bad throughout the entire shoe. So all you need to do is switch how you bet. If you are following the count correctly than you simply switch to bet the opposite of what the count says to do. When you make that switch you will be betting the L's rather than the W's...the L's being the losing side.
It is actually really that simple. In the beginning, when I only bet one side, I used this idea and had great success with it. I however, would typically begin to do this late in the shoe. If we can recognize what a losing shoe is and execute this idea at the proper time, than we may turn the losing shoe into a winning shoe. This does work, but it is all about timing and figuring out when to make the switch to bet the losing side.
The idea above can be taking further. For example..you start by playing in virtual mode. Your goal is to avoid the constant chops between wins and losses. Your goal will be to spot a positive trend in the shoe and jump on that. The same can be done for a negative trend as well. When you spot a negative trend you jump on that and bet the opposite of what the count says to do. So it is basically what I said to do in the previous post except you are playing in virtual mode until you spot the proper time to jump on the losing or winning side.
yea but because its all random, you will get sections of good and bad. Thats the problem.
I really do think that in baccarat you cant base your bets on previous results, you will just get stung from time to time. Complete random selection can be better I think.
D. im admit that random from PB is littlebit diferent but structure is absolutly the same the previous shoe is used ass for winning then for detecting bad wawes which u can awoid and bet on them this is what i call adwantage. i thing that previous shoe is good idea no one said everytime but it is more helpfull like jump stright on the game without known nothing <>
Quote from: Diarmaid on August 31, 2009, 11:58:28 PM
yea but because its all random, you will get sections of good and bad. Thats the problem.
I really do think that in baccarat you cant base your bets on previous results, you will just get stung from time to time. Complete random selection can be better I think.
I agree that You can get stung from time to time, but I guess that is the risk you take with any casino game, especially those that are 50/50. I prefer to use the previous shoe because it seems to provide some sort of an idea as to how the current shoe will play out. I have never experimented with using a complete random selection and maybe that could work just as well. Why do you think a random shoe will work better than the previous shoe?
I have a much better explanation of this post on the next page. It is the post under how I describe the way that I played the 6pt divisor.
Here is what I am thinking as far as changing the style of play:
Originally I was betting almost every decision, but that will no longer be the case.
The goal will be to jump on a losing streak or a winning streak, thus turning the negative into the positive.
This will be done by tracking and finding the correct entry point.
I am trashing the idea of the count. So the count is no longer being used.
Choosing which side to play: You choose which side to play based off what the previous decision is. You will either be betting that the next result will be the same or different as the previous shoe. If the last decision was same as previous shoe then you bet that the next decision will be the same as the previous shoe. If the previous shoe was different than the previous shoe, then you bet that the next decision will be different.
Here is how to play.
1) You start by playing in virtual mode. You will be keeping track of the Win and Losses.
2.) You bet as stated above in both virtual and real mode.
3.) You wait until you have 3 or more W's in a row and bet according to the last result, either same or different. You bet until you have 2 L's in a row when you get 2 L's in a row you stop.
4.) Whenever you have 3 or more L's in a row, you will be betting the opposite of how you should be betting, thus you will be betting for the losing side.
For example...You will be betting for the next decision to be opposite of the previous decision. You will do this because it is the losing tend.
You bet until you get 2 W's in a row. In this case a W is a loss since you are betting the opposite of what you would typically be betting. When you get 2 W's in a row you stop and retrack, again looking for 3 L's or 3W's in a row
The best way to think of rule 4 is that you are inverting you betting, betting the opposite of what you should be betting.
The 6pt divisor will be the progression or at least my take on it which I'll explain soon.
This is my best way of thinking about how to jump on a positive/negative trend. if anybody has any better ideas than please let me know.
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Update
I added a trigger for when to bet. When you get WWLW you bet for the W's to win. You bet until you have two L's then stop. And same for the opposite. when you get LLWL you bet for the L's to win. When you get two W's you stop.
The reason why I did this is because it takes awhile to get the 3 W's or 3 L's in a row. an entire shoe could pass with only 1 or 2 opportinuties to bet.
I played 3 sessions tonight. Session 1 +6 units
Session 2+ +3 units
Session 3+ 4 units
total units+ 13
Session 2 went slow so I added another trigger for when to bet.
Session 3: I stopped with about 10-12 more decisions to go.
I will explain how I play the 6pt divisor tom.
My strike rate increased which seems like a result of following the positive or negative trend.
Hi John,
I tested this a lot yesterday and I found that I get the exact same WL ratio as with any other method of bet selection.
In my opinion the best thing to look for is to find a fairly balanced method, and use Lanky's 6 point divisor method for the betting.
All you need for that is 50% wins and 50% loses and you will profit guaranteed. These new rules you have brought in could work very well.
But the divisor plan is key I think.
Regards
Diarmaid
hmm the divisor plan is prevent your bankroll from bad wawes I thing it is realy good idea
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 02, 2009, 08:00:55 AM
Hi John,
I tested this a lot yesterday and I found that I get the exact same WL ratio as with any other method of bet selection.
In my opinion the best thing to look for is to find a fairly balanced method, and use Lanky's 6 point divisor method for the betting.
All you need for that is 50% wins and 50% loses and you will profit guaranteed. These new rules you have brought in could work very well.
But the divisor plan is key I think.
Regards
Diarmaid
yes before I added the new rules my strike rate was not so good. Now it has improved a lot. And I agree the divisor plan is key and the new rules also seem to be key.
Quote from: Bo0Merang on September 02, 2009, 08:15:16 AM
hmm the divisor plan is prevent your bankroll from bad wawes I thing it is realy good idea
You are right. And in the last 3 shoes I played, the divisor plan did that. My highest bet was only 1.8 units and I made many mistakes because of getting distracted, which lead to some losing bets.
The bad waves are kept to a min because we are betting on both the losing and the winning sides. So 6 wins can come pretty fast. The hardest part is understanding which side you need to be betting. It can get confusing at times.
I will be explaining how I played the divisor when I get back from class.
I have a little bit of time so I am going to explain how I am playing the 6pt divisor and then I will recap betting with the W's and L's because that can get confusing. I suggest that you read the next post even if you think you understand the W/L part of the system. It may be better to read that post first.
6pt Divisor:
I am not exactly sure how to play the 6pt divisor. I do not think I am playing it the correct way but the way that I have been playing has been working. I will explain the way that I am playing it.
My win goal for a shoe is between 4-6 units after commission. I play the min bet which is $5.00. So this means that my win goal is between 20-30 dollars usually after commission unless it is a hard shoe.
The max win goal is $30.00. The goal is to win the $30 dollars in 6 bets. 6 goes into 30 five times (5*6=30)so the min bet will start at 5 dollars.
When you lose you add your current bet to the win goal. So if you lose the first bet then the target becomes 35. The new bet will be 5.8 dolls which is rounded up to 6 dollars.
If the second bet losses then you ad 6 to 35. 35+6=41. The target is still 6 wins. So the new bet will be 6.8 dollars which is rounded up to 7. I always round up to the nearest dollars until I get to the 9 dollar bet.
If you lose then you follow the same process. always adding the amount that you lost the the target win goal.
If you Win then you keep the bet at the same amount. This is an aspect of the progression that I don't think I play the correct way.
so if you start at 1 unit and you have 6 straight wins then you will not have to raise your bet at all.
Lets say that you are making a 9 dollar bet. This is a 1.8 unit bet.
1.) Lost first 5 dollar bet. Target up to 35.
2.) Lost 6 dollar bet. Target up to 41.
3.) Lost 7 dollar bet. Target up to 48.
4.) Lost 8 dollar bet. Target up to 57 now at this point I make a 9 dollar bet. 6 can go into 57 about 9.5 times. So I begin to round down at this pint.
5.) you win your 9 dollar bet. The target is now reduced. but you continue to make the 9 dollar bet until you reach your win goal.
As you make your bets keep track of the win goal. If you win (3) 9 dollar bets then the new win goal is 57-(3*9) which is 30.
If you lose the 4th 9 dollar bet then the new win goal is 39. continue to make the 9 dollar bet until you either win your six bets or the target reaches 57. If you reach 57 then you get to make one more 9 dollar bet because you are back to where you were when you made your first 9 dollar bet. If you lose this bet then your bet goes up along with your target.
Safety nets: If you suffer a lot of losses then add in the safety nets. I will not explain how this is played because there is a thread dedicated to this progression that goes into great detail about the safety nets. But basically you decide how much you are willing to bet and when you reach that number you up the divisor. So maybe instead of trying to win 6 bets you try to win 8 bets. So your new divisor is 8.
Here is an example of my betting pattern. I always start at the table min ($5.00)
Target= 30 in 6 bets.
Bet 1: $5 dollars
Bet 2: $6 dollars target =35
bet 3; $7 dollars target= 41
bet 3: $8 dollars target= 48
bet 4: $9 dollars target = 57 (now rounding cents down)
bet 5: $11 dollars target = 68
Safety net: New divisor 8. 8 can go into 68, 8.5 times.
Bet 6: $8 dollars, target= 68
Bet 7: $9 dollars, target= 76
Bet 8: $10 dollars, target=86
Bet 9: 11 dollars
safety Net and so on
So that is how I play it. Some parts of it are not true to the correct way of playing the 6pt divisor. If you would like to play the 6pt divisor the correct way then there is a good thread about it on this site.
I'll recap the betting next.
Now I will recap the betting with the W's and L's. I am doing this because it can get confusing at times.
First it is important to understand that there are 2 types of bets. The bets are same and different.
1.) Same: You bet for the current shoe to be the same as the previous shoe.
2.) Different: You bet for the current shoe to be different from the previous shoe.
Determining whether to bet same or different: to determine whether to bet same or different you simply look at the most recent decision. The most recent decision will either be same as the previous shoe or different than the previous shoe. If it was the same as the last shoe then you bet for the next decision of the current shoe to be the same as the next decision of the previous shoe. However, if the most recent decision was different than the last shoe then you bet for the next decision of the current shoe to be different than the next decision of the previous shoe.
Example:
Shoe A Shoe B
B B (S) bet that next decision will be the same
B B (S) Win. bet, next decision to be the same
P P (S) win. Bet next decision to be the same
P B (d) Lose, bet next decision to be different
B p (d) Win, bet next decision to be different from the previous shoe
P b (d) win same bet
P p (s) Lose, now betting same
P b(d) Lose, now betting different
p b (d) win
that is an simple explanation of how you should be looking back at the previous results.
Following the W/L rule:
we will not be betting ever single decision. we will wait until we see a trend of wins or a trend of losses and then we will attempt to jump on that trend. This means that Wins will be wins and losses will be wins. It is important to understand the meaning of W and L.
W: This is a win. It means that you are winning your bets when you bet the W side and losing your bets when you bet the L side. When you bet for W you are going by the most recent decision. this means that you will still be betting for either the same or different as previous shoe.
Example of W:
Shoe 1 Shoe 2
P P same, bet W
P P (s) W. Same so bet same
B B (s) W. continue to bet same.
P P (s) W. Continue to bet same
P B (d) L. Different. So now bet different.
B P (d) W. Different won again so continue to bet different
So when you get a W, you are winning based off what the most result says to do.
L: An L is a loss. However, when we jump on an L trend we will be looking for the L side to win, but L will still be recorded as a Loss.
When you are playing the L side you are basically playing the opposite of what the W rule say to do. So you will be the OPPOSITE of what the most decision dictates.
Example of L. Remember, for the example I am only playing the L side. So I will be playing the opposite of what the previous decision says to do.
Shoe A Shoe B
P P bet opposite since you are playing L side.
P B (d) L. (You won this bet) This is the previous outcome. it says to bet different. But you will bet same.
B B (S) L. (You won this bet) It says to bet same but you will be different
B P (d) L. (You won this bet) it says to bet different but you will be same
P b (d) W. (you LOST this bet) it says to bet different but you will bet same again
P P (s) L. (you WON this bet) it says to bet same but you will bet different
B P (d) L. YOU WON THIS BET. You will bet same even though it says to bet different
Triggers:
There are 2 triggers that we are looking for as an entry point to jump on a trend of W's or L's.
Trigger 1: WWW or LLL. When you get 3 or more W's in a row you bet the W side until you get two L's. when you get 2 L's you stop betting until you get either 3 L's or a new trigger.
-when you get 3 or more L's in a row you bet the L side (meaning that you bet the opposite of what the most recent decision says to do). You bet until you get 2 or more W's in a row then stop until you get a third W or a new trigger. Two wins in this instance would be 2 losses.
Trigger 2: I added trigger two because trigger 1 sometimes does not occur frequent enough.
WWLW or LLWL. If you get 2W's followed by an L then a W, you bet the W side until you get 2 L's in a row
-If you get 2 L's in a row followed by a W then an L, you bet the L side (again, betting opp of what the most recent decision says to do) until two W's in a row show up (again, 2 W's are would be losses).
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 02, 2009, 08:00:55 AM
Hi John,
All you need for that is 50% wins and 50% loses and you will profit guaranteed.
But the divisor plan is key I think.
Regards
Diarmaid
Diarmaid,
Wrong again. (Not even a false proof offered.)
Mostly, I think you forgot to consider the commission on winning banker-bets; and that the player-odds are rarely up to 50-50.
Perhaps you should have stayed with roulette afterall, where your "imaginings" could play more of a role?
Quote from: John1234 on September 01, 2009, 09:45:19 PM
I played 3 sessions tonight. Session 1 +6 units
Session 2+ +3 units
Session 3+ 4 units
total units+ 13
Session 2 went slow so I added another trigger for when to bet.
Session 3: I stopped with about 10-12 more decisions to go.
I will explain how I play the 6pt divisor tom.
My strike rate increased which seems like a result of following the positive or negative trend.
Just played 2 more sessions.
Session 1: +6 units--stopped playing around the 23rd decision
Session 2: +6 units--stopped playing around 35th decision
Both sessions had a 2 unit drawdown.
My highest bet was $7 dollars which is equal to 1.4 units.
total units won= +25 units.
From now on my goal will be to make 4-6 units per day. I will post my results at the end of each week. I probably will not get to play everyday because I should be getting busy this weekend, but I will try to play early in the morning before classes.
My goal is to save up to get a bot coded for this system if that is even possible. That way I won't have to deal with the the time issue.
Quote from: John1234 on September 02, 2009, 11:19:50 PM
From now on my goal will be to make 4-6 units per day. I will post my results at the end of each week. I probably will not get to play everyday because I should be getting busy this weekend, but I will try to play early in the morning before classes.
My goal is to save up to get a bot coded for this system if that is even possible. That way I won't have to deal with the the time issue.
Good luck john, very modest goals, although 6 units can be €6,000 eventually if you are consistant.
I'm sure you will succeed.
All the best,
Diarmaid
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 03, 2009, 12:41:50 AM
Good luck john, very modest goals, although 6 units can be €6,000 eventually if you are consistant.
I'm sure you will succeed.
All the best,
Diarmaid
Thank you, I hope I do. I know that 6 units is modest but I plan to slowly work my way up to 100 dollar bets.
Quote from: John1234 on September 03, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Thank you, I hope I do. I know that 6 units is modest but I plan to slowly work my way up to 100 dollar bets.
$1,000 bets you mean.... :)
IMAGINE,
I have seen lads place $2000 bets on Party Casino, CRAAAAAZZY
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 03, 2009, 03:30:58 AM
$1,000 bets you mean.... :)
IMAGINE,
I have seen lads place $2000 bets on Party Casino, CRAAAAAZZY
eyyy D. what is wrong put 2.g on bet ??? it is obvious that when u want win money then you have to put bigger bet just depenc when and how much .... what is a hell sometime problem when and how much grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 03, 2009, 03:30:58 AM
$1,000 bets you mean.... :)
IMAGINE,
I have seen lads place $2000 bets on Party Casino, CRAAAAAZZY
yea that is crazy. The first time I played baccarat at a live casino I sat next to an Asian guy who was making $2000-$4000 bets. He must have had over 15,000 dollars sitting next to him. and then I was next to him with only like $200 dollars and betting the table min. I felt poor.
Quote from: John1234 on September 03, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
yea that is crazy. The first time I played baccarat at a live casino I sat next to an Asian guy who was making $2000-$4000 bets. He must have had over 15,000 dollars sitting next to him. and then I was next to him with only like $200 dollars and betting the table min. I felt poor.
who was the winner, John? lol
he was the winner...he was winning just about every bet he made. I lost a bet and won a bet then just stopped to watch him...The pit boss knew him by name too.
John how are you doing with your system and can you tell me how many times you win seven in a row when you play it and how often i have a mm based around it
using the W/L method it is very easy to win 7 times in a row. It actually happens often but I am not sure how often, I don't track the statistics. I would say that it usually wins between 3-4 in a row average.
I have not been playing lately, I have been busy writing a huge paper for my political science class. Would you be wiling to share the mm that you are talking about?
Quote from: John1234 on September 06, 2009, 09:10:25 PMI have not been playing lately, I have been busy writing a huge paper for my political science class. Would you be wiling to share the mm that you are talking about?
Hi John1234,
The only course i (recall) giving up on was that 101-course here at Waterloo.... dropped it early on because of a personality-clash with the instructor. Came close to failing typing... i think the teacher took an "amorous" remark of mine the wrong way; and also to failing english because it didn't matter then, in high school... but it mattered later, take my word for it.
Anyway, i think most of the "free baccarat-world" wants to see you make it to the c-notes. Good luck.
I did bad in a computer class too last year and that doesn't make sense because I am decent with computers.
What are c notes?
C-notes are $100 bills.
oooh ok, i did not know that
I have stopped playing this system because it is too time consuming to play. Plus I improved the 2+capping with a negative progression and a change in the recovery bet selection play so I am going to focus on that.
Time consuming might be problem if the units won per shoe are a few dollars. Make that a few hundred or a few thousand, and I don't mind the time. I'd be more interested in knowing if it's effective over say, 100 shoes. I guess I'll study it and find out.
I played about 11 shoes it it lost more than it won...maybe I was just getting unlucky, but I do not think that this method will work.