This is a warning to impatient or emotional players. If your stomach turns from losing 1500 in ($50 chips) and you get emotional and careless NONE of my systems will work for you. Once you lose concentration you lose the game.
I have several baccarat systems ranging from simple to extremely complex, reason why I have so many? the complex systems work with well will only lose money every 6.7 shoes and it loses about 15 to 30 units (average 10-18 units/winning shoe) over all averages 7 units per shoe played long term. The simple ones are more hit and run styles and are not for long term play. Some casinos will not let you bring your own chart in with you while others let you. the ones that don't, you cannot use the complex methods and for the time being I will not be posting it I am coming up on year 2 with the complex method I want to see how long these averages hold out. Majority of my systems require a high bankroll. I believe in baccarat it is very hard to win a large amount without some sort of progression. Many will say I'm wrong but I have yet to see a flat bet system that wins LONG TERM.
My first system (HIT AND RUN literally)
**Dynamic Averages**
BANKROLL REQUIRED: 60 times your unit size ($5 unit = $300 bankroll, $500 unit = $30000 bankroll, etc)
NOTE: DO NOT PLAY THIS SYSTEM if you see a really SKEWED 10+ count of player/banker over the other AS WELL AS a shoe where you get repeat 5B+ or 5P+ streaks (2 or more sets of 5+ in a row streaks). Your chances of hitting a losing an event are HIGH.
As the name states you will be tracking averages and playing the HOT sides.
Take the average of the last 4 outcomes, play a 4 step limited martingale progression [1,2,4,8] (15 units risk) on the outcome with the highest amount of wins in the last 4 hands.
BBBPBBPPPBPTBPPPPBTBTBPTBPBBBPBBPBBB
this is the outcome of a shoe I played recently (4 decks Century Casino)
this is how I track it
1 2 3 4 5
B B B B P
B P P B B
B P P B B
P P P P B
B B P B P
P B
alright so lets explain here.
An event is 4 outcomes (IE: the first 4 outcomes are BBBP)
Because banker won 3/4, you will play a LIMITED 4 step progression on the next 4 BANKS
as you can see you win on the first play, now the OUTCOME you DO NOT INCLUDE when you retrack.
IF you get a 50/50 split between bank/player do not play. Do not track ties.
very simple, wins big and averages really good. I usually use this method and play it until I win 5 units or lose 15. You will see a losing streak of about 1 in 4 shoes long term average. I do not want to scan all the 12 note books I have of shoes that I tested with this method, that is what it averages on the long term. Not once have I dipped below the original 60 units with this method. Then again this is hit and run, if you sit there all night you are GUARANTEED to lose at east once. For me this is when I need some quick cash for a date or something I will play this method with 500 or 1000 units. This method is now widely used among the baccarat players I have taught... I kinda miss the company, everyone just play hit and run at the casinos now, there are no more 9 hour days at the baccarat table chasing even or trying to make money anymore.
There is another simple system I am working on right now. I will not post until I have tested it further and fine tuned it. But its something to be excited about. Starting bankroll $1600 in $5 units, after 20 shoes (4 days of playing) my bankroll is $7375 in $5 units, has only one shoe where it was not positive (lost 2 units aka 10 bucks lol). It might be even stronger then my complex but who knows I must spend more time at the casino testing it.
As for my complex system because it was a group of us that developed it I will need full agreement from the other 3 people before I can post it.
there are a few other systems I play but I will post when I have more time right now I need to go test some more haha it gets me all giddy
Thanks for sharing.
Is this correct that when you have 3/4 then you play the dominant side?
1
B
B
B
P
B W
2
B
P
P
P
B L
P W
3
B
P
P
P
P W
4
B
B
B
P
B W
5
P
B
B
B
P L
B W
LW Registry - LWWWWLW
Cheers LS
that is correct it works surprisingly well :)
Kiddo,
Referring to the best 3 of 4 system, if you win do you wait for a completely new group of 4 decisions before starting play again?
Or do you continue play with the last 4 decisions no matter what?
Caddy
Quote from: caddy on July 21, 2008, 07:38:32 PM
Kiddo,
Referring to the best 3 of 4 system, if you win do you wait for a completely new group of 4 decisions before starting play again?
Or do you continue play with the last 4 decisions no matter what?
Caddy
Hi caddy,
"Because banker won 3/4, you will play a LIMITED 4 step progression on the next 4 BANKS
as you can see you win on the first play,
now the OUTCOME you DO NOT INCLUDE when you retrack.
IF you get a 50/50 split between bank/player do not play. Do not track ties".
As I understand it you stop and wait for another 4 outcomes to track and then play next or not depending if the conditions are done.
Cheers,
JLP.-
I tried it yesterday on RNG and it won easily. It is important to start always new 4 hand not include any from the previous 4 hands because you will recognize this way easily streak coming and prevent to bet next 4 hands the progression on opposite streak. The 5+ is a good warning not to bet. I am looking forward for your new system you said about. Kiddo, good work. I think the progression could be made more secure and more durable (Labouchere? Midas? Whittaker?)
Hermes
nice system. im goin to try it in rng and casino...
By d way, can u post your second system?
Look for the mirror system from Mr.Martingale on roulette thread. It works even better on baccarat.
Hermes
Hermes, can u give me the link??
i cant find it
Hermes
I also would like the link
Matilda
I think it's in this thread nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/why-i-love-the-martingale/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/why-i-love-the-martingale/) reply #11.
hermes, question, playing the RNG's, how do you get to track without betting, you have to bet to get the cards to deal, or do you uses a minimum bet "dummy chip" to roll the table and then bet with a bigger unit when it'S time?
izit that good the mirror system??? :(
Hi VICLIMKS.
It will work and it will fail.
You could have some fun playing that way.
The best thing you could do is to make a test, its a great way of learning.
If you want my opinion then i can only tell you that the mirror strategy is a dead end where you will lose more then you win.
Cheers LS
heyyyyy guys sorry disappeared for alittle while haha hope the system was working out okay for you guys theres a couple things I need to update you guys on the system I spoke about (2nd one) works well but requires decent bankroll 100+ units.
System #2
watch the tables and the decks (if they reuse the decks) look for a very biased deck. ie: real streaky or real choppy. then you just bet the hand before the last using a 1,2,3,5,8,13,21 progression. its really simple and works stunningly well. if you lose 4 in a row you stop and wait till the shoe has 2 wins. rinse and repeat. You will not get a win rate over 75% its impossible because 25% of the shoe will be the 2,2 pattern. an easy way to track the 2s is if you have a bb->p or pp->b you stop and wait for the storm to blow by or switch and play the twos. usually thought the twos are dangerous to bet on. easy way to know if the 2,2s are gonna repeat every 4 jumps from p->b or b->p there should be atleast one set of twos, do not mistake it with two or more its just two like PP or BB. its really simple and I like it but it does not allow for large units to be played which kind of sucks...
oh and another thing. the post with zuan on it. his system is very close to the one I use on a regular basis where I play large 500-1000 units. Have confidence in his work. Making 3-5 bets per shoe might be boring. but when you are winning 90% of the bets you make you can leave fast and not have to play progressions. I have an article from an ebook that I would love to share with you guys. It teaches you about a money management strategy that many people use. Including me, I use this strategy when I'm gambling and when I'm trading forex. its very conservative.
Though the second file the 279kb one is focused more on forex trading. the ideals it teaches can be applied to ANY type of risk associated money management strategies and can definitely relate to baccarat.
A gambler is a player that bets against the shoe and dreams of a good outcome. A player is one that analyzes the shoe and goes where the shoe is going.
Thanks for the reply Kiddo
Would really like a test example of actuals if you can.
And anymore systems you have would love to look at them. Am having a good run with your "Dynamic Averages" at our local casino.
Matilda
What strategy of zuan's do you use on baccarat, kiddo? I read his strategy but don't understand it. That one observes 2 shoes and start to bet on the 3rd shoe, the pattern of the pattern and no tie bets. I am completely lost with him. Can you explain it to me in simple language (not Chinese, please) or p.m. me.
Thanks Hermes
check out my recent post on the zuan thread. My complex strategy is very close to what he plays and is a little more accurate. once again I can't disclose that strategy. But I can help you guys understand why it works and how using my friends and I came about it. The mathematics between my complex system and zuan's system is the same we employ the same strategies. But mine calculates moving averages. His uses fixed percentages.
cmon kiddo.....pls. help us???by the way its only the casinos $$$......thankz
Hey Kiddo,
Could you please maybe post some examples of how to play your System 2 as that would explain it a lot more.
Thx,
MD 8)
Okay guys sorry bout the wait. I was in macau for a couple of weeks very rarely had a chance to come on. here is an example of a shoe that was recently played with system #2
P
B
B ---> OKAY two outcomes we are playing hand before the last with a 1,2,3,5,8,13 etc progression. We will bet on player as that was the outcome before the last hand [LOSE]
B ---> bet bank as outcome before the last hand was bank [win +1 unit]
P ---> bet bank [Lose 1 unit on bank]
P ---> bet bank [lose 2 unit on bank -3 total]
P ---> bet player [win 3 units total = 0]
P ---> bet player [ win 2 units total = 2, progression resets after Win Win or Win Loss Win pattern]
P ---> bet player [win 1U total = 3U]
P ---> bet player [win 1 U total = 4U]
B ---> bet player [loss 1U total = 3U]
P ---> bet player [win 2U total = 5U]
B ---> bet banker [win 1U total = 6U]
P ---> bet player [win 1U total = 7U]
B ---> bet banker [win 1U total = 8U]
P ---> bet player [win 1U total = 9U]
P ---> bet banker [loss 1U total = 8U]
B ---> bet player [loss 2U total = 6U]
P ---> bet player [win 3 U total = 9U]
B ---> bet banker [win 2U total = 11U]
B ---> bet player [loss 1U total = 10U]
B ---> bet banker [win 2U total = 12U]
B ---> bet banker [win 1U total = 13U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 1U total = 12U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 2U total = 10U]
P ---> bet player [win 3U total = 13U]
P ---> bet player [win 2U total = 15U]
B ---> bet player [lose 1U total = 14U]
B ---> bet player [lose 2U total = 12U]
B ---> bet banker [win 3U total = 15U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 2U total = 13U]
B ---> bet banker [win 3U total = 16U]
B ---> bet player [lose 1U total = 15U]
B ---> bet banker [win 2U total = 17U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 1U total = 16U]
B ---> bet banker [win 2U total = 18U]
P ---> bet player [win 1U total = 19U]
B ---> bet banker [win 1U total = 20U]
B ---> bet player [lose 1U total = 19U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 2U total = 17U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 3U total = 14U]
B ---> bet banker (as per system rules if BBPP or PPBB pattern comes out after a full set of 4 you bet opposite for ONE hand) [win 5U total = 19U]
P ---> bet player [win 3U total = 21U]
B ---> bet banker [win 1U total = 22U]
P ---> bet player [win 1U total = 23U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 1U total = 22U]
P ---> bet player [win 2U total = 24U]
B ---> bet player [lose 1U total = 23U]
P ---> bet player [win 2U total 25U]
B ---> bet banker [win 1U total 26U]
P ---> bet player [win 1U total 27U]
B ---> bet banker [win 1U total 28U]
B ---> bet player [lose 1U total 26U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 2U total 24U]
P ---> bet banker [lose 3U total 21U]
P ---> bet banker (as per system rules BBPP pattern came out bet opposite)[lose 5U total 17U]
P ---> bet player [win 8U total 25U]
Overall performance (I was playing 1000 units)
32 Wins / 57 Hands = 56.1% Win Rate
+25000 overall
Biggest Drawdown -3000
Biggest Profit +28000
Biggest Bet 8000
Analysis: Overall a very good shoe. It paid well expect to dip into the 21 Unit bets though as you play this system more and more you will see bets get big fast. I am still thinking of ways we can reduce the risk without reducing the profit. because with this system every 2 wins is +1 Unit extra in your pocket and every straight win without a loss is also +1 unit in your pocket. Currently averages roughly 21.5 Units per shoe with a maximum risk of 233 units on the table. so the numbers do get big when you get hit by consistent doubles.I've only seen the 233 about 3/100 shoes. For the experienced baccarat players you will be able to tell when a 2,2,2,2,2 pattern is gonna come up. Its a feeling that comes with alot of baccarat experience. So you will know when to sit out or leave the table so that you will never reach that point.
HI KIDDO.......BY THE WAY HOWS YOUR TRIP............I JUST CAME BACK FROM MACAU.......WHEN TO MGM AND WYNN N GOT MY HANDS CUT BY THEM >:(
you win on 3 and 4... you dont switch full to OB4TL you just switch for one bet and that offsets. and the progression is not limited at 7 steps. Thats why I said on the previous page you have to have a big bankroll.
i see John.. you have good point also...
so how do you play?
any advice?
You have your opinion and I have mine. This is a system that built from 500 bankroll and I managed to get it to well over 9000 in a matter of 27 shoes. never depleting my initial 500. I agree there are better ways to bet. This is just one of the ways to play the game. Risking the big amount of units brings you back to a manageable level, because eventually you will win 2 in a row. no matter what the odds are. 2 in a rows only make up for 25% of the shoes in the long term game. Don't feed me that BS about gambler's fallacy where its possible that a shoe will go 2,2,2,2 for an entire shoe because it will NEVER happen.