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Title: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 10:29:43 AM
Hi @ all,

The following is not a system nor even a betselection. It is just brainstorming.

I was thinking about the contradiction between two strategies on EC

One is to chase the equalizing short and long term
The other is seeking the Law of Third with EC

How can the Law of Third appear when there are only two chances of result?
So I transferrred it to this idea:

If one chance has appeared once the other chance should appear twice. (this is just a hypothesis)
But to bet on three spins to appear this constellation is boring. At least we are playing a figure (results are known)

So I thought how about to follow just a quote of 2:1 during the spins.
This leads to the following targets:

2:1
4:2
6:3
8:4
10:5
and so on.

On the other hand we always have to face that at every stage the tendency could change to equalizing

2:2
3:3
4:4
5:5

The idea is now to detect which tendency is alive or going on.

I took yesterdays Wiesbaden spins of Table 3

for a first explanation with real spins

pls see next post


Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 10:35:27 AM
by accident this perm is easily following my idea  ;D

unfortunately I don´t know how to insert the attachment to the post  :shout:

I just only bet, when one of the constellations is possible.

Pls check and ask, if you don´t get the idea

br
winkel

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Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 10:41:43 AM
Pls note

This is only a first step to get you into it.

The situation of an equalizing is still missing.
also the situation of a changing between equalizing and 2:1

br
winkel
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: MAX on September 05, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
Great brainstorming Winkel!

This can be a good bet selecting method for even chance betting.

Thanks for taking the time to share this with us.

(Looking forward to your further explanations.)

:thumbsup:

Regards
MAX
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: sniper on September 05, 2009, 11:25:42 AM
Hello Winkel,

Thanks for sharing your great idea. Looking forward to learn more from you.

Regards

sniper
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 12:04:26 PM
Quote from: Winkel on September 05, 2009, 10:41:43 AM
The situation of an equalizing is still missing.
also the situation of a changing between equalizing and 2:1

Such a situation is found if we check same spins but sorted up with Even/Odd

pls check if you understand my excel-sheet.

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Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 12:07:36 PM
As you can see (hopefully) we start with betting on Law of Third.
Then it changes to betting Equal (green spots)

on the other hand at the same point it changes from a 1:2 to a 2:1-situations. I mean the other chance is now heading forward.
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 12:12:28 PM
The question I dídn´t find an answer yet:

Do I only select if a situation is cleary arising?
e.g. 3:8 ist heading to 4:8 or 8:7 is heading to 8:8

or is there a chance to bet that a fullfilled 2:1(1:2)-situation is heading to equalizing.


Your help and your opinion are appreciated

br
winkel
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Landis on September 05, 2009, 12:59:43 PM
Isn't this gambler's fallacy?
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: kav on September 05, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
In my opinion it is more interesting and logical to bet when you have a 2:1 ratio. This is clear. And I could even think of a slow prog for it.

The "clearly arrising" thing is anything but clear. It's more like follow the trend, but not even that, since you bet on the less hit EC.
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Spike on September 05, 2009, 05:13:36 PM
If one chance has appeared once the other chance should appear twice. (this is just a hypothesis)>>>

Does random ever obey these types of rules? If there were any concrete rules that applied to random outcomes, wouldn't it be easy to beat? Just asking..
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: kav on September 05, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
In my opinion it is more interesting and logical to bet when you have a 2:1 ratio. This is clear. And I could even think of a slow prog for it.

The "clearly arrising" thing is anything but clear. It's more like follow the trend, but not even that, since you bet on the less hit EC.


Hi kav,

this will seem to be so, but these spins are just very clearly following the main idea.

I will find a much more difficult trot that will show more of the idea.

Due to my bad English I obviously used a wrong word by using "clearly arising".
I meant only to bet if there is a difference of +1/-1 to a target-situation-

7:8 or 8:7 bet for 8:8
11:24 or 24:11 bet for 12:24
12:23 or 23:12 bet for 12:24

But I think that later on, this could change.

of course it is a kind of trend-betting, but with try to explore the trend when it starts.

br
winkel

Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2009, 06:34:49 PM
Here the spins of todays Wiesbaden Table 3 (Sep 5,)

Watch these two indicators (I just call them so despite of not knowing if they are ones)

1. Change from 1:2 to 2:1 (spins 5 and 8 )
2. Differences are far away from 2:1 or equalizing

green colour: prediction was right
red colour: prediction was wrong
yellow colour: predictions for both targets possible: no bet

br
winkel

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Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: MAX on September 06, 2009, 01:09:28 PM
Hi

Winkle i used your numbers and rested the count after win .

The blue marked columns is were the reset points were.

Regards
Max
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: VLSroulette on September 06, 2009, 06:46:06 PM
Hello dear Winkel,

Thanks for staying at the productive side of the debate. Thumbsup!  :thumbsup:

One piece of advice; you can place the [attachimg=#] tag where you want the image to appear within your post (he he, no, it isn't adding magically, some admins do the manual work of adding the [attachimg=#] tag on valuable posts like yours).
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Nathan Detroit on September 06, 2009, 07:29:33 PM
Winkel,

I believe I  did read this on the  Poker and Roulette forum.de  about 2 - 3  years  ago. I believe it was  referred to as Zwischenausgleich der EC or  Intermediate  Reconcilization of Equal chances.

If I am not mistaken you were  one of the participants in  this discussion . I once did this  I.R.C. in a casino  with 3  EC `s  and keeping track of the action at the same time. In the end I was completely worn out and my head was still spinning the next day.

I  did win  though.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!

P.S. If something looks  good to me  I  take the  action right into the casino without much fuzz  and testing. I do have a pre- established rigid loss limit .
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 07, 2009, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: VLSroulette on September 06, 2009, 06:46:06 PM
Hello dear Winkel,

Thanks for staying at the productive side of the debate. Thumbsup!  :thumbsup:

One piece of advice; you can place the [attachimg=#] tag where you want the image to appear within your post (he he, no, it isn't adding magically, some admins do the manual work of adding the [attachimg=#] tag on valuable posts like yours).

Hi VLS,

thank you for your help and support

br
winkel
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 07, 2009, 05:17:55 PM
Quote from: MAX on September 06, 2009, 01:09:28 PM
Hi
Winkle I used your numbers and rested the count after win .
Max

Hi Max,

I´m discussing with myself, where to stop and to restart.
I´m not sure if your way is too short, and all the expected advantages of this idea are floating away.

I will think about that problem and refer to it.

br
winkel

Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: winkel on September 07, 2009, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on September 06, 2009, 07:29:33 PM
Winkel,

I believe I  did read this on the  Poker and Roulette forum.de  about 2 - 3  years  ago. I believe it was  referred to as Zwischenausgleich der EC or  Intermediate  Reconcilization of Equal chances.

Hi Nathan,

that is possible, but as I wrote it is just the half of my idea. I wanna use the contradiction between "Ausgleich" and using Law of Third-Ideas.

It is just a brainstorming not a iron-ruled strategy.

There are such a lot open questions. The hardest one is: It is of any use at all?  :pleasantry: :scratch_ones_head:

br
winkel
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Nathan Detroit on September 07, 2009, 07:52:50 PM
Winkel

Sir,

The total equalization process might require  about 360 spins ( the daily average at a Wiesbaden busy table) if one studies  the  final results for a particular table of any date.

This  equalization process might be  a  good consideration for  baccarat or  Punto Banco. This being a closed end game by virtue  of an approximate amount of decisions being dealt from  from a shoe. Without doubt this game  is  very close 51 - 49 in favor of Banker. ( about 76 decisions)

For roulette  it would be   just   Black and RED   with  the  1-2 ratio. R-B-R    and then proceed  with Black from this point on until  RED becomes the underdog. A certain money management procedure should be considered.

But I must admit that I have discarded this  Intermediate Reconciliation of EC`s. for  an occasional R-R-R-R-B. I once gave an out line  with RRR-B-1-2-2 and later changed it to RRRR-B 1-2. The post the" ultimate system "is still around.

At the present time I am playing a certain  method  of 22 numbers on the inside ( 0/00 wheel only) . Those  22 numbers  are  distributed equally on each side of the wheel , never more than 1 or 2  clicks betwen them. There are 13 Blacks and 9 Reds. ( 3 double streets and 1  Quad )

In addition I  sometimes  add Black into this  set up giving me  a greater edge and this  by just extending only 5 additional Black numbers.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!


Regards,

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!



Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Compa on September 08, 2009, 06:25:13 AM
Hi mr. Detroit. Would You like to elaborate on this 22 Numbers? Ie. which streets etc? Or do You prefer to keep it to Yourself?

Thnaks
/Compa
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Nathan Detroit on September 08, 2009, 04:45:24 PM
It is  designed  only for  the 0/00 wheel . It`s worthless for the  single  0 wheel. If it is the 0/00 wheel I gladly post it.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Compa on September 09, 2009, 07:05:17 PM
Ok. I see. I play EU wheel only. Thank You anyway for your reply.

/Compa

Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: iboba on September 14, 2009, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on September 07, 2009, 07:52:50 PM
Winkel

Sir,

The total equalization process might require  about 360 spins ( the daily average at a Wiesbaden busy table) if one studies  the  final results for a particular table of any date.

This  equalization process might be  a  good consideration for  baccarat or  Punto Banco. This being a closed end game by virtue  of an approximate amount of decisions being dealt from  from a shoe. Without doubt this game  is  very close 51 - 49 in favor of Banker. ( about 76 decisions)

For roulette  it would be   just   Black and RED   with  the  1-2 ratio. R-B-R    and then proceed  with Black from this point on until  RED becomes the underdog. A certain money management procedure should be considered.

But I must admit that I have discarded this  Intermediate Reconciliation of EC`s. for  an occasional R-R-R-R-B. I once gave an out line  with RRR-B-1-2-2 and later changed it to RRRR-B 1-2. The post the" ultimate system "is still around.

At the present time I am playing a certain  method  of 22 numbers on the inside ( 0/00 wheel only) . Those  22 numbers  are  distributed equally on each side of the wheel , never more than 1 or 2  clicks betwen them. There are 13 Blacks and 9 Reds. ( 3 double streets and 1  Quad )

In addition I  sometimes  add Black into this  set up giving me  a greater edge and this  by just extending only 5 additional Black numbers.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!


Regards,

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!





360 SPINS????
Nathan mate I have played BLACK EVEN/2 bets/---versus ---RED ODD/2 BETS/--for more then 2 weeks,
on the very same table,from 9 pm. to 6am.in my local casino---from the very first evening spin to the
very last morning spin--rising-decreasing,L-W,for one chip only---and for first few days it went smoothly,
but then  suddenly RED ODD started dominant and so for almost a week.At one stage I was punting 22 chips
x2 euros x2 bets on BLACK EVEN,meaning each spin 88 euros,and was thinking of giving up and forget the los,
but then again it started recovering and Black even leveled with RED ODD in next few days.At the end of the
journey have won some money,but would never play this method again,as it is so bored,and you really have
to have a large BR to play this.But the fact is that all levels up on the long run,and that run could last for months.
No sir,no more.....................................Regards................Iboba..............rrrrb 1 2
Title: Re: Even Chances - Law of Third vs Equalizing
Post by: Nathan Detroit on August 27, 2012, 07:13:36 AM
.Nuff said on this  subject. I have moved on .I wonder where Winkel is  hanging out these days?



Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!