I think its a good question. I will tell you what I am NOT referring to >> Sector shooting (cough) or the dealer accidentally paying you short. Other than that, can the dealer cheat us? How? Ken
Do you mean actually "cheat" us or just try to stop us from winning Ken ?
I know I'm being a bit pedantic but I'd just like to know..... 8)
I guess both other than the two examples I gave above. One way is to wave off no more bets FAST. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on September 28, 2009, 11:08:53 PM
I guess both other than the two examples I gave above. One way is to wave off no more bets FAST. Ken
right ok.....
How about you bet on a single number but they claim your bet is on the split ?
Maybe but I would tell floor to call security (camera) and check it. I've done it before and as usual, was right. Ken
the casino i go to will look at the camera to see where you placed your bet . a lot of people put it on the line, if you place your bet in the right place. no worries
"if you place your bet in the right place. no worries" >>> The problem with that is if someone accidentally knocks your chip(s) even a hair over, thats a HUGE issue. Ken
Once I met a weird situation:
I was playing with quarters and continuously hitting the #s. Almost every spin. The problem was with the dealer's height. She was too short to grasp the ball from the spinning wheel. She was in her toes to catch the ball and release it again almost immediately. It was obvious DS, she was landing within 6 #s ahead of her release. I made lots of money within 15 min. The Pit boss noticed this and made a call, thats the end of my winning. Immediately she was replaced by another guy and she was sent to a BJ table. The new guy came and he was spinning the ball at high speed and needless to say, I lost more than half of the winnings.
End
end
So who was cheating?
Usually the casino has stepping stools for the shorty dealers. Ken
hideseek ,
Your own fault that you have lost 50 %of your winnings . Once you are ahead you stop at the FIRST LOSS or 3 losses in a ROW. You are there to play to WIN not for PLAY to PLAY . The casino went after you. You deserved what you lost . No pity on my part.:diablo:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WININGS!!
Whenever you see a dealer that mixes spins
fast-slow,especially where there is a strong
sector punter,/with only couple players on the table/
and the dealers is turning his eyes on the lay out
prior to spinning,you can be sure he does it deliberately.
Have witnessed it last night and it was rather sad looking
how the man next to me,couldnt win,even thought have covered
about 60% of the numbers each hand.When it was to late,he call
a pit boss,who told him on his claims;Well you don't have to play any more.
Even if he wanted to,he couldn't,as he run out of money.
So my friends never believe pit bosses when they selling you fair tale
that it is impossible for dealers hitting certain sectors,as thatway they
could be involved with their friends.........IT IS EXACTLY WHY PIT BOSSES ARE THERE
FOR........not cause of us players......BUT TO CONTROL THEIR DEALERS.
Have seen many Italian guys this summer,playing sectors heavily,prior to the dealer spun,
and hardly seen anybody winning.Sad but true.....and if any of you guys think differently
then either you are naive or blind...............................Iboba 8)
Yeah mate that is why i like playing touchbet. You have your own screen and the dealer does not know what you are betting on.
Cheers
Jakk
@Ken,
I think she was using the stepping stool, but I am not sure.
@ Nathan,
:agree:
Did you guys notice this:
If you win >1000 at 1 table, the pit boss will come and touch the dealers shoulder. Then the very next spin onwards, the speed of spinning will be at least twice his original speed. Simple indication for us to move out.
@Jakkal
Nowadays all my money goes to Bally's state of art technology only ;D
i did not see many winners. nothing suprising in this. how does a person holding a low paying job get these skills. does the casino say to the spinner shoot for certain sections. you only have to check the numbers spun and you know its all random.
Quote from: pins on September 30, 2009, 01:08:05 AM
I did not see many winners. nothing suprising in this. how does a person holding a low paying job get these skills. does the casino say to the spinner shoot for certain sections. you only have to check the numbers spun and you know its all random.
Casino nor either pit boss says anything to the spinner,
hes well trained for these things,as otherwise he would
be waitressing instead................Iboba 8)
So my friends never believe pit bosses when they selling you fair tale
that it is impossible for dealers hitting certain sectors,as thatway they
could be involved with their friends.........IT IS EXACTLY WHY PIT BOSSES ARE THERE
FOR........not cause of us players......BUT TO CONTROL THEIR DEALERS.>>>
Good god... Do you really believe this crap? Why play then, go home..
It is quite obvious how dealers end up in certain sectors and stay there.
To get out they sometimes spin an extremely slow spin or like previously mentioned the wheel speed is accelerated. I think the better dealers do this without much visual difference in wheel speed and "ball spin" speed.
Quote from: Spike on September 30, 2009, 04:50:09 AM
So my friends never believe pit bosses when they selling you fair tale
that it is impossible for dealers hitting certain sectors,as thatway they
could be involved with their friends.........IT IS EXACTLY WHY PIT BOSSES ARE THERE
FOR........not cause of us players......BUT TO CONTROL THEIR DEALERS.>>>
Good god... Do you really believe this stuff? Why play then, go home..
I don't play,spreading my chips over the board,like you stupidly
do,and am there for years now,playing and observing incredible
things dealers can do.And Spike I know what am I about,and you
are one that should stay at home with your play.So many
contradictories in your sayings all over the net.
hats off to iboba you got that right
Just to make a reality check visit here. Magical thinking. A lack of knowledge of what happens in randomness is why people try to explain things that seem abnormal. Being able to throw a sector on the wheel, any time you want to, is a poor explanation of normal randomness. The sector hitting like it does is just random selection going into a trend state. All you are doing is attempting to attribute meaning to a trend by saying it's something the dealer is doing. I wish you would think about it. It's not magic. They can't do it any time they want to. They can't do it by accident. All you are doing is having a positive moment of observation combined with a magical thinking moment and having them trend together. If you have real guts you will track all the spins to see if randomness could explain the phenomenon also. Until you can isolate normal randomness from the believed capability you might be at the mercy of magical thinking without confirming it. It's not a capability if randomness explains it as being normal for a typical trend. Try showing yourself that randomness can't explain it. Prove that to yourself.
"They can't do it any time they want to" >>> I agree. Ken
To concur with Gizmo`s post I would like to add it`s not what you see, it`s what you THINK you see . :nono:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
When I see a guy sitting next to me,punting
continuously on the wheel sector 8-25...
which is 10 numbers,and can't win a hand in
about 30 or so spins.....THAT IS NOT RANDOMNES
BUT DELIBERATE CHEAT...........Iboba 8)
This cat should know that if you lose 3 times in a row something is not kosher and repair himself to another table.
Here is when Nathan gets up:
a.) 3 losses in a row.
b.) reached pre-established loss limit
c.) change of croupier
d.) obnoxious croupier in need of attitude adjustment :diablo:
e.) having achieved win goal. :yahoo:
All of those puts you in the " drivers seat" :clapping:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Random, shmandom.... My friend had a dealer tell his pit boss that he was witnessed pimping in the casino. He got banned, and it took him 6 months of meetings and letter writing to get reinstated. So that "dealer" cheated my friend out of 6 months play time.
The dealer's witness account was bogus; they just fabricated this nonsense because he was winning too much at the time.
Unfortunately for him, he is a bit of a lair, and brought too much attention on himself. He has since learned his lesson and now keeps a low profile when playing.
bet after the ball is spun. if you think they are spinning against you.
The sector shooting debate again...
Here we go:
If you're playing wheel sectors, and:
1) it's only you playing against the dealer, or several players but only you keeps winning.
2) the dealer is a pretty experienced one and the wheel is their 'favorite' one (the one they're most used to).
3) the dealer doesn't spin from the last number hit, but picks the ball, waits a little bit as the wheel is spinning (waiting for his reference number to pass under his hand :-X) then spins the ball.
4) the dealer knows what sector you're covering before spinning the ball (i.e. you're not placing your bets after the ball is spun).
5) last but not least: the wheel is tilted (causing a dominant drop point: a diamond that receives most of the ball-hits before it goes down to the number ring).
Then maybe.
He won't always hit his target, only enough times to create a harmful edge against you.
If these conditions are met, like pins said: bet after the ball release.
Otherwise relax, the dealer won't influence the results by will.
Quote from: Marven on September 30, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
The sector shooting debate again...
Here we go:
If you're playing wheel sectors, and:
1) it's only you playing against the dealer, or several players but only you keeps winning.
2) the dealer is a pretty experienced one and the wheel is their 'favorite' one (the one they're most used to).
3) the dealer doesn't spin from the last number hit, but picks the ball, waits a little bit as the wheel is spinning (waiting for his reference number to pass under his hand :-X) then spins the ball.
4) the dealer knows what sector you're covering before spinning the ball (I.e. you're not placing your bets after the ball is spun).
5) last but not least: the wheel is tilted (causing a dominant drop point: a diamond that receives most of the ball-hits before it goes down to the number ring).
Then maybe.
He won't always hit his target, only enough times to create a harmful edge against you.
If these conditions are met, like pins said: bet after the ball release.
Otherwise relax, the dealer won't influence the results by will.
It's all well said Marven mate,
Have seen also players betting after the spin,but have also
seen a dealer puting his hands all over the board...NO MORE BETS...
where the player didn't even punt half of his bets....and here I'm
always talking of playing SOLO or 2 players on the table,not when the
table is full of players.
I have a mate thats a dealer he says he and his mates have competitions to see how many times they can land the ball in 6 number sectors, he said some of the guys are upto the 80% mark with this, so can the dealer cheat us, ofcourse he can.
"bet after the ball is spun. if you think they are spinning against you." >>> Thats a GOOD rule unless of course you are betting the SAME numbers for long periods of time. Ken
Or you are betting outside.
Sector shooting for the outside bets? Ken
Friends,
This subject was already under discussion 100 years ago : nolinks://nolinks.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/n5/mode/2up (nolinks://nolinks.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/n5/mode/2up)
..........and the discussion is still valid today just as it was then.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGs!!!!!
Quote from: Jish on October 10, 2009, 10:42:56 PM
I have a mate thats a dealer he says he and his mates have competitions to see how many times they can land the ball in 6 number sectors, he said some of the guys are upto the 80% mark with this, so can the dealer cheat us, ofcourse he can.
With such an edge, the guys who are into this feat should be wearing a rolex watch and the most expensive clothes/shoes.
Of course, they would then have to be VERY discreet.
It is my belief someone with such an ability shouldn't be boasting about it, but rather wondering how to keep his hit rate just enough for his betting player(s) to keep uder the radar...
The best way how to deal with cheating dealers is applying the old law of the west: COLT 45 :skull: :diablo:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!