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Title: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 16, 2009, 07:12:51 PM
A TwoCat blathering..........

A fish swims upstream.  A bird flies against the wind.  An airplane flies against the wind and against gravity. Do any of the three eliminate their opposing force?  No.  Yet they all accomplish their goals.

How?

Easy!  They overcome their opposing force or forces.  Does the river still flow, the wind still blow; does gravity keep me on the planet?  Yes!  So none are suspended as water shut off at the kitchen sink or the ceiling fan turned off.

The 2.7% edge is the opposing force.  Can we eliminate it?  No.  The bird and fish don't even consider stopping the wind or the current and the Wright Brothers knew they had to overcome gravity, not eliminate it.  So what do we do to move against the dreaded edge?

First, we quit trying to eliminate it as that is totally impossible.  Second, we learn how to move against it as the fish against the current.  

More if there is any interest; deleted if not.

Sam
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: winkel on November 16, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
 :thumbsup: :ok: :drinks:

br
winkel
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: gizmotron on November 16, 2009, 07:28:49 PM
When you understand the force against you then you can overcome it. The force in roulette is 37 or 38 slots not probability. The mechanism produces random outcomes without regard to the process that does it. Physics is not the only way to overcome the randomness mechanism. It's the only way to overcome the mechanism. It's not the only way to overcome randomness. Dogmatism is not the only way to put down the quest to overcome randomness, despite the dogmatic opinion. Nice going TwoCatSam, you have managed to marginalize the VB Nazis with one word.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: bombus on November 16, 2009, 07:49:20 PM

Nice one TCS.

Problem is, sometimes overcoming can morph into overwhelming...

I can remember one huge storm when I was a child. After the storm we went out for a look, and there were hundreds of dead birds everywhere...

Roulette seems to throw up a storm like that every so often.

I've watched the discovery channel and seen salmon swimming upstream, jumping up cascades even.

Every so often, they jump into the jaws of a bear.

Roulette always seems to have the jaws of a bear just when you jump.

I'm not even going to touch plane crashes....
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: gizmotron on November 16, 2009, 07:59:23 PM
If you were to touch the plane crashes you would be surprised what car crashes get you. In Roulette you never jump into the jaws of a bear unless you are trapped by the logic of believing in progressions.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Mr J on November 16, 2009, 10:40:01 PM
"unless you are trapped by the logic of believing in progressions" >>> Nope, wrong answer. I *AGAIN* state, do not group every progression into every style of play. I'm right, you are wrong.  Ken
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 17, 2009, 12:15:26 AM
So the question becomes:  Is there ever a time when the player has the opportunity to overcome the house edge?

The point is not that fish get eaten, birds get shot out of the air or planes crash.  Your point is well taken; not every recipe makes a cake.  My point is that adverse conditions can be overcome in nature.  Can we do it in roulette?

In all honesty, if there is never a time when we have a temporary advantage over the house, then every win is pure luck and we're all doomed to failure.  If there is a time, a window of opportunity when we hold the upper hand, then we can win.  I believe such a time exists.  Learning when to get on the tram and when to get off is the key.

Sam
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Mr J on November 17, 2009, 12:20:17 AM
"if there is never a time when we have a temporary advantage over the house, then every win is pure luck and we're all doomed to failure" >>> Thats the point I have made 200 times. If ANOTHER poster does not agree with YOUR (or my) style of play......we will lose, we have no chance BUT (this is the best part) THEY have the secret key and will be victorious. lol  Ken
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: hoper35 on November 17, 2009, 12:34:57 AM
I guess we all should quit roulette and take up slots.   :whistle:
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 17, 2009, 11:01:24 AM
Gents

Just posing some questions on this thread. 

I look at it like this.  The edge is the wind.  On average it blows 2.7 miles per hour from the North.  Some days it blows harder, some softer and some days it blows from the South.  Logic will tell you that if there is ever a time when the edge is in your favor, there must be an equal and opposing time when the edge is against you but at a greater strength than normal.

Our goal is to determine when the wind is at our back (positive tram) and when it is against us even stronger than normal (negative tram) and bet accordingly.  Can this be done to the point of overcoming the house edge?

I honestly believe it can. 

End of TwoCat blather.............

Sam

Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: berlinerbruce on November 17, 2009, 11:05:57 AM
The ansewr my friend is blowing in the wind  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

sorry sam,,,,could nt resist it :blush2:

your mate  :pleasantry:

Bruce
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 17, 2009, 12:45:19 PM
Bruce

I love it!!! :sarcastic:

Sam
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Mr Chips on November 17, 2009, 01:55:14 PM
I think the edge is over rated. When I design and develop a well constructed system, it creates an
advantage, such that any theoretical edge a casino is supposed to have becomes irrelevant.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Mr Chips on November 17, 2009, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: Arxidatos on November 17, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
OK Mr chips
I am sorry that I will have to say this BUT

""theoretical edge that any Casino has???????"""

as I just understood u don t know anything about Casinos edge..so nothing about roulette also

Casinos EDGE is not theoritical.....it is PRACTICAL!!!!

Check out my results for 4Selecta and Signum (which will be completed in January 2010)

When you produce such results, then you will know something about roulette.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Davey-Jones on November 17, 2009, 10:50:46 PM
Okay... Serious question. Why the hell are we talking about trams and designing systems in the Physics thread? I suppose this means I have an open invitation to spam all system related threads with "VB is the only way!"
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Mr J on November 17, 2009, 11:03:07 PM
NICE!!   :yahoo:
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 17, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
Davey

If you object to where the post is put, just ask a mod or administrator to move it.  I thought it fit here, but perhaps I'm wrong. 

Sam
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: bombus on November 18, 2009, 12:46:05 AM

As VB'ers are the only ones who can rightfully claim to overcome the house edge, then the word 'overcoming' definitely belongs in the physics section.

What the rest of the roulette world needs to do is design strategies that attempt to mimic the betting style of the VB'ers........... So it's a game of catch up, but there is hope after all!

Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Davey-Jones on November 18, 2009, 12:56:49 AM
I don't object to the title, just a bunch of the contents. I mean, nothing pertains to physics at all. If people want to compare systems to physics that's fine. I just would rather come to the physics section to discuss physics rather than read about how great the "Signum" is. No offence meant Mr. Chips, just truth.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: berlinerbruce on November 18, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 16, 2009, 07:28:49 PM
When you understand the force against you then you can overcome it. The force in roulette is 37 or 38 slots not probability. The mechanism produces random outcomes without regard to the process that does it. Physics is not the only way to overcome the randomness mechanism. It's the only way to overcome the mechanism. It's not the only way to overcome randomness. Dogmatism is not the only way to put down the quest to overcome randomness, despite the dogmatic opinion. Nice going TwoCatSam, you have managed to marginalize the VB Nazis with one word.

Really what a load of crap

your own admiction was.....The mechanism produces random outcomes without regard to the process that does it. Physics is not the only way to overcome the randomness mechanism

and reallly,,,come on ,,,,,VB nazis :nono:

i got to go,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: berlinerbruce on November 18, 2009, 11:45:32 AM
@ gizmo

i just read what i quoted from you,,,,,,,, :lol:

come on prove it :whistle:

I can
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: berlinerbruce on November 18, 2009, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: Mr Chips on November 17, 2009, 01:55:14 PM
I think the edge is over rated. When I design and develop a well constructed system, it creates an
advantage, such that any theoretical edge a casino is supposed to have becomes irrelevant.

Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: winkel on November 18, 2009, 12:13:11 PM
Quote from: Davey-Jones on November 18, 2009, 12:56:49 AM
...... I just would rather come to the physics section to discuss physics rather than read about how great the "Signum" is. No offence meant Mr. Chips, just truth.

All the physicians (VB-players) come to the systems-area to discuss VB. Would you beg them to stay at their own area as well?
I´d appreciate it.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: gizmotron on November 18, 2009, 12:14:40 PM
BerlinerBruce , if any device produces a well formed and continuous form of random events, like spins in Roulette, then the process is irrelevant as long as the random results are all that is to be considered as the end product. The issue is not that physics might be perfected as a tool in order to attempt to defeat the process. The issue is that randomness itself can be defeated.

Randomness can be defeated in spite of the odds that tend to favor the effort being offered by most casinos. The house edge is only a tax for spending time placing bets. The point is to defeat randomness in a way that pays far more than that tax.

I don't intend to educate you or anyone else that asks me to prove anything to them. A beggar that also thinks he can guess where a ball will stop is too foolish to ever get respect. In fact, the entire knowledge of VB experts is out there in the main stream. Where are the headlines that such and such groups of people have successfully beaten the casinos? With full disclosure of the method where is the proof of that?

I'm keeping it to myself. You can go ahead and prove it to the world. I won't think any higher of you when you do succeed and inadvertently get banned from casinos for having an advantage. But until that day comes you can't prove a load of stuff.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Davey-Jones on November 18, 2009, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: Winkel on November 18, 2009, 12:13:11 PM
All the physicians (VB-players) come to the systems-area to discuss VB. Would you beg them to stay at their own area as well?
I´d appreciate it.

Wow! How can that be true? Oh wait... It isn't.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Landis on November 25, 2009, 10:34:54 PM
QuoteGizmo naively wrote, "In fact, the entire knowledge of VB experts is out there in the main stream. Where are the headlines that such and such groups of people have successfully beaten the casinos? With full disclosure of the method where is the proof of that?
?"  
Here you go. :)


nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf)
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Landis on November 26, 2009, 02:28:20 AM
I am Herb.  I just don't know the Herb password to get on. :)  So, here I am as Landis.  Note the Snowman like avatar. 
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: berlinerbruce on November 30, 2009, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: Landis on November 25, 2009, 10:34:54 PM

Here you go. :)


nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf)

ah the famous sachse

hees banned in over 200 casinos,,the latest one was in Switzerland ,,,,,,,,

that is truely the proof that was asked for ,,,maybe thats why its went quite  :pleasantry: :pleasantry:

he earned over 7000€ just before he went to LV for his birthday where he bumped into herb ,on his way back he went to the same casino,,guess what they said no and dont come back lol :haha: :haha:

he is very good at what he does but loves the lime light ,and they just simply dont go togehter,,,, @ gizmo,,thats why you dont here of such headlines

you can also if you want go to youtube and try to find wie man knackd ien spielbank

they had a team of VB players there to challenge the casino security and to seor prove if it could be done ,as youll see from that tv docu,,,,they more than doubled there BR and went undetected,,,,,,,this is ALL FACT

ok i hope thats cleared that up for you,,,,,,,no beggers there mate  :-\ :-\ :-\

ok im off ,,cya
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 30, 2009, 10:16:21 AM
OK, not ready to brand this bloke a liar, but when he says this "30−50 Indianercasinos" meaning, I assume, Indian casinos in the United States--well, I get my suspicions.  I have yet to see an Indian casino with roulette.  There are none in Oklahoma and I've been to a casino in New Mexico and found none there.  Didn't visit all the casinos, but you'd think if it were legal, they would have it. 

I'd also question why this fellow would come to America and play the 00 wheel when he could visit Lanky and play the 0 wheel.  Maybe he's just that good!  Huh?

I'll ask other Americans to weigh in:  Have you seen real wheel-and-ball roulette in America?  Not card games where a particular card is #36, but real roulette.

Sam

Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: winkel on November 30, 2009, 11:35:02 AM
From his last visit in LV he came back with a huge loss (about 40-50 tsd. Euro)
Is that now the proof, that it doesn´t work either?

He admitted, that his notation was right, but he took the wrong solutions out of it.
What´s the difference to a system?

BTW: nearly all Casinos in Europe ask him to leave before he entered it.
Those which are still open to him are not "playable".

I thought VB would work everywhere?
Isn´t that another proof, that it doesn´t work?

br
winkel



Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Landis on November 30, 2009, 01:45:17 PM
Twocat,

Your world is small becaue you don't travel much.  I have been all through New Mexico and throughout the US.  I found several roulette wheels in New Mexico.  As a matter of fact I just got back from there last week.  I went on a roadtrip throughout Colorado, New Mexico, and Parts of Nevada to find new wheels.  There are so many wheels here in the US.  

There's far more than just 30 Indian Casinos with roulette.  By the way, the Mohegan Sun (Indian Casino) and it's three main casinos The Earth, Sky, and Wind have just over 32 wheels alone.  That's in just one building in Conn.  

Mohegan Sun, Fox Woods, Casino Omaha, Ameristar Omaha, Harrahs Omaha, Harrahs Topeka, Golden Eagle Horton, Sac and Fox Horton, Sadia New Mexico, Casino Niagra, Acomo Sky City Casino, Route 66 Casino, San Felipe Pueblo,Camel Rock Sante Fe,  Santa Ana Star Sante Fe, Isleta Casino,  Buffalo Thunder Rock, Ohkay Casino Resort,  Dancing Eagle, Fire Rock, Apache Nugget, Taos Mountain, Isleta Palace, Santa Claran, Winna Vegas Iowa,
Harrahs Casino Juiliet, Grand Victoria Juiliet, Para Dice, New Jumers, Horseshoe Hammond...

These are just some of the Indian casinos that have roulette.  There are far more than this.

VB is more effective on some wheels than on others.  VB is an attack on the predictability of the gaming device.  
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: berlinerbruce on November 30, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: Winkel on November 30, 2009, 11:35:02 AM
From his last visit in LV he came back with a huge loss (about 40-50 tsd. Euro)
Is that now the proof, that it doesn´t work either?

He admitted, that his notation was right, but he took the wrong solutions out of it.
What´s the difference to a system?

BTW: nearly all Casinos in Europe ask him to leave before he entered it.
Those which are still open to him are not "playable".

I thought VB would work everywhere?
Isn´t that another proof, that it doesn´t work?

br
winkel





because many new unsuspecting members try A certain system and it fails miserably

does that mean it works,,,,,,,,,VB

and nobody has appraoched me to give any acount to saying this.............VB nazis,,,,,,,,,,,LOOK at my nick need i say more ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and doe it get removed,,,,,,,edited ,,,,altered,,,,,,,,,,mmmmmmmmmmmm :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

ok shall i let both barrels go??????????????

aha,,,,,AHA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

LETS JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT 24 HRS

THEN ITS A FREE for all
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 30, 2009, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Landis on November 30, 2009, 01:45:17 PM
Twocat,

Your world is small becaue you don't travel much.  

This requires a thread of its own.

Sam
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: iboba on December 01, 2009, 07:54:10 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 18, 2009, 12:14:40 PM
BerlinerBruce , if any device produces a well formed and continuous form of random events, like spins in Roulette, then the process is irrelevant as long as the random results are all that is to be considered as the end product. The issue is not that physics might be perfected as a tool in order to attempt to defeat the process. The issue is that randomness itself can be defeated.

Randomness can be defeated in spite of the odds that tend to favor the effort being offered by most casinos. The house edge is only a tax for spending time placing bets. The point is to defeat randomness in a way that pays far more than that tax.

I don't intend to educate you or anyone else that asks me to prove anything to them. A beggar that also thinks he can guess where a ball will stop is too foolish to ever get respect. In fact, the entire knowledge of VB experts is out there in the main stream. Where are the headlines that such and such groups of people have successfully beaten the casinos? With full disclosure of the method where is the proof of that?

I'm keeping it to myself. You can go ahead and prove it to the world. I won't think any higher of you when you do succeed and inadvertently get banned from casinos for having an advantage. But until that day comes you can't prove a load of stuff.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE RITZ TEAM???????

The guy that was involved in it N.T./sorry no full names/from Dubrovnik,Croatia,have seen im in action
in casino Admirall Coll.--Znojmo Chech.few years back....have been banned from all European casinos,and
the last I hear from him is from Kasahstan.O yes he travels around looking only for one type of ball,and when he finds it,he first observes it for night or two then he attacks.Seen him in action several times and he never lost.
......................................................................................Iboba
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Bo0Merang on December 01, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
just a little question  for guys which  regulary playng in land based casinos.   do  you  see anyone been banned for their winnings ??? i never seen that even  guy on  table been up to 20 g  so what make s casino bann some members orr where is  that lane which cant  be  jumped??? it is player style orr winning up 10 000 orr what  ever  i thing this is good question
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Herb on December 01, 2009, 01:26:08 PM
Players don't really get banned for winning too much money.  They get banned for winning too many units.  It's usually because they are playing and winning too far above the theoretical long term expectation. 

The longer the advantage player stays at a table, the farther he moves away from expectation.


It's very tempting for an advantage player to try and win 300 units or more during a session.  Unfortunately regularly winning this much will get your comps frozen and can get you banned.

You can get a copy of your play history in some casinos.  On this page it will show your win/loss and what the theoretical is and how far away from this number you are in terms of standard deviation.

If you're not an advantage player, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.  If you are an advantage player, then spread it around and keep it believable.


-Herb
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: iboba on December 01, 2009, 03:00:17 PM
You will never be banned while playing,but next time you come
in the same casino they tell you at the entrance.
That's why you never actually see it happened.......Iboba 8) 8)
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Bo0Merang on December 01, 2009, 03:05:14 PM
Herb  thank s for response  im  just not  a totall donkey  but  there is  one  more what ???? if the advantage player  winning lets  say  a good winning they will  start  call   NMB more  early  this is 1st point  the  other thinks how you orr any  other advantage  player can make  big  bucks  if there  tables most of  tables  i dont talk about hi rollers tables -normaly have 25 per number so if  you  want catch 100 per  number  u need to put 4 chips arround nearly  every  number now  most of adwantage players  betting 4 - 8 numbers some i see it  even  10 numbers -------- Iboba  the same thing with  Rits trio i heard  from other  hends that  Cro,man hungarien  girl and one  more person  they  was play  with  some device and even  that  they make 1 mill ???  i feel that there something  missing orr i do  not  have good imagination ))))))))) 
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Bo0Merang on December 01, 2009, 03:07:21 PM
Quote from: iboba on December 01, 2009, 03:00:17 PM
You will never be banned while playing,but next time you come
in the same casino they tell you at the entrance.
That's why you never actually see it happened.......Iboba 8) 8)
well  this  is  wery  acceptable response  Iboba  now  i get  it  :good:
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: elmo on December 01, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
In one instance I have had a letter arrive on my doorstep within 48 hours telling me that I was no longer welcome as a member or a guest. They do not give you a proper reason. The closest I have ever got to near the truth was that my business was of an uneconomical nature.  :biggrin:
If I wanted to donate money, I would give it to charity, not those greedy parasites, this does not mean that they don't wipe out my trip bankroll now and again.  Nobody wins every session, I don't care what system you got.
Herb is right, when they see how you win as opposed to how much you win, that is when they start looking into your play. Sometimes they don't like what they see  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Herb on December 02, 2009, 06:06:25 AM
By the way, they can ban you while you are playing.

Also, in certain cities like AC, they can't ban you for winning.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: xman1970 on December 02, 2009, 06:16:19 AM
Quote from: Herb on December 02, 2009, 06:06:25 AM
By the way, they can ban you while you are playing.

Also, in certain cities like AC, they can't ban you for winning.

What qualifies a "certain city" pls ?


thanking you in advance.....
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: berlinerbruce on December 02, 2009, 06:57:25 AM
Quote from: Bo0Merang on December 01, 2009, 03:05:14 PM
Herb  thank s for response  im  just not  a totall donkey  but  there is  one  more what ???? if the advantage player  winning lets  say  a good winning they will  start  call   NMB more  early  this is 1st point  the  other thinks how you orr any  other advantage  player can make  big  bucks  if there  tables most of  tables  I dont talk about hi rollers tables -normaly have 25 per number so if  you  want catch 100 per  number  u need to put 4 chips arround nearly  every  number now  most of adwantage players  betting 4 - 8 numbers some I see it  even  10 numbers -------- Iboba  the same thing with  Rits trio I heard  from other  hends that  Cro,man hungarien  girl and one  more person  they  was play  with  some device and even  that  they make 1 mill ???  I feel that there something  missing orr I do  not  have good imagination )))))))))

Hi Boomerang,,

no your imagination is working just fine

you see there wasnt REALLY anything that unusal just the sum that they walked with

its what they satrted with ,,,they didnt use a device and they didnt have a string BR of say 20,000

now that would have been amasing,,,,you see they only trebled their BR they started off with 300.000-400.000

then actually losing a large amount one night then on next night leaving with 600.000 in total then next night they walked away with a cool 1.3 million

sorry this is not an exact discription of but lets you get the idea,,,,,,,ie if they walked in with 400 quid and two nights later walked away  with 1,300 quid we would never heard of it

ok just though id let you guys know
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: elmo on December 02, 2009, 09:05:25 AM
As Nathan Detroit is fond of saying, If you want to win big, then take in big.
Once casino checked the tape, they would have known in 2 minutes what the game was about. I once used a type of device in a casino and had it out on the table  :dance1:
I cashed in for 60 euro. After about 20 minutes of this nice dealer spinning in my few numbers almost every spin I was up to about 450 euro. The pit boss was on the phone and within 5 minutes, 3 management were standing very close to the action watching me play.  I just ignored them and kept on playing  8)
I got the money up to about about 750 when one of the managers asked me to put the device in my pocket and that I could not use it at the table. So I did as he said and cashed in.
Just to wind them up and this is 100% true, when that dealer came back to the same table about 90 minutes later I casually strolled over and all of a sudden he got replaced by a young female dealer.

My little device was only a clever way to pick up on dealers signature and it worked really well that night but if they are going to do that for a few hundred then imagine what they are going to be like when you are bringing 400k to the party  :swoon:
I never heard anymore about it after that night but you can be sure they were watching out for me.
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: iboba on December 02, 2009, 09:45:02 AM
Quote from: BerlinerBruce on December 02, 2009, 06:57:25 AM
Hi Boomerang,,

no your imagination is working just fine

you see there wasnt REALLY anything that unusal just the sum that they walked with

its what they satrted with ,,,they didnt use a device and they didnt have a string BR of say 20,000

now that would have been amasing,,,,you see they only trebled their BR they started off with 300.000-400.000

then actually losing a large amount one night then on next night leaving with 600.000 in total then next night they walked away with a cool 1.3 million

sorry this is not an exact discription of but lets you get the idea,,,,,,,ie if they walked in with 400 quid and two nights later walked away  with 1,300 quid we would never heard of it

ok just though id let you guys know


There was not any devices on Ritz team/as they where accused of it by the casino stuff,but devices
couldn't be find by the police/.....The man N.T.Croatian,needs the team/as I was one in Znojmo-Chech.few years back/
to put the chips on the high numbers/if any/while N.T.just stands beside the wheel....and a second or two before dealer pronounces;No more bets-----he puts the bets on small numbers/giving me a hint ---bet 1,bet 2,bet 3,.../and in the split second we put our bets.The man is just outstanding VB player,excelent observation,quick thinker,and never see him lose after he finds his table and the ball..............................Iboba 8) 8)
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Bo0Merang on December 02, 2009, 11:01:06 AM
goood  i wish  anyone  to  win what  ever he  put any effort  to  any system  orr method  learning... Iboba can  i  ask  you why  he  needs  just  look at  special  ball ??? im  quiet  interested  as  i  know  that  there  where two difersnts  balls teflons i  know  that smal one  have  more jumps then  scatter what  ever  just  thought but  what is the differ about  look in  it  diferent  bal ?? if  you  once  time  run  VB   -small ball orr big  ball  you  gona get  what  you  want
Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: iboba on December 02, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: Bo0Merang on December 02, 2009, 11:01:06 AM
goood  I wish  anyone  to  win what  ever he  put any effort  to  any system  orr method  learning... Iboba can  I  ask  you why  he  needs  just  look at  special  ball ??? im  quiet  interested  as  I  know  that  there  where two difersnts  balls teflons I  know  that smal one  have  more jumps then  scatter what  ever  just  thought but  what is the differ about  look in  it  diferent  bal ?? if  you  once  time  run  VB   -small ball orr big  ball  you  gona get  what  you  want

B-rang,
He only tells you bet 1=x numbers=amount of chips-----bet 2....and so on....and if you
couldn't master it you couldn't be part of the team.If you ask many questions it would be the same.
Therefore I wouldn't have a clue,which ball,which wheel...After Znojmo we went to Sofia,Bulgaria,
spent several nights in different casinos without placing a bet,then Belgrade,Serbia same thing.
There we split,he went to Hungary I went back home,and since then have seen him only once in Gorizzia,Slovenia.
Recieved a call from him from Kasahstan recently.....but one other guy/roulette forum ovner from Aus.--Croatian also/
told me that N.T.didn't do well in these ex Russian countries,which I honestly doubt.............Iboba 8) 8)


Title: Re: The word of the day is "overcoming".............
Post by: Bo0Merang on December 02, 2009, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: iboba on December 02, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
B-rang,
He only tells you bet 1=x numbers=amount of chips-----bet 2....and so on....and if you
couldn't master it you couldn't be part of the team.If you ask many questions it would be the same.
Therefore I wouldn't have a clue,which ball,which wheel...After Znojmo we went to Sofia,Bulgaria,
spent several nights in different casinos without placing a bet,then Belgrade,Serbia same thing.
There we split,he went to Hungary I went back home,and since then have seen him only once in Gorizzia,Slovenia.
Recieved a call from him from Kasahstan recently.....but one other guy/roulette forum ovner from Aus.--Croatian also/
told me that N.T.didn't do well in these ex Russian countries,which I honestly doubt.............Iboba 8) 8)



thank you  Iboba  i  think i have  litle  clue what about  is  is  he cant play in  leveled  wheel becouse is unpredictable but on  tilted  with midle orr big ball is possible  make enough  hits  on  partials sections depenc on  droping daimonds as well ... say hallo  To  Miro. Z   told  ya  world is  small :)