has anybody got any systems that work for the electronic roulette machine you see in the local bookies or online ???
hi friend,
welcome to forum!
well...i uploaded one system i found here for you nolinks://rapidshare.com/files/77316657/RSW.pdf.html, i used it but just for a while, i haven't had time to test it throughtly...
during short test period, in 'fun mode', it made me some 'modest' winnings, but again i don't know if it's gonna work for a longer period or in 'real money'
i personally believe that it's not possible to beat rng casinos, because in fact they might not be rng at all, they can utilize different algorithms that after some period bring you down fast
hope this helps!
That is AMAZING!!!!!
That is like HOLY GRAIL type stuff!
It really blew my mind how accurate this was.
I tried this for over 100 spins at Golden Palace and Platinum Players and it worked every time! It is not as exact as the book says. But I played on Dozens and out of 100 spins it only went more than 10 spins 4 times. And it only went over the 11 spin progression once.
It went 13 spins only once, 11 spins once, and 10 spins twice. There was one time it went 8 spins into the progression, and a couple of 7s thrown in but the majority of times it went no more than 5, not only that about 75% of the time it went only 1 or 2 times. Truly incredible.
This had me scratching my head for hours.
Now keep in mind I was in "Play for Fun" mode, and it seems like every system I try wins when you are playing for fun.
I can't wait to try it on "Real Money".
Had I known about this yesterday, perhaps I wouldn't have blown my whole bankroll.
QuoteNow keep in mind I was in "Play for Fun" mode, and it seems like every system I try wins when you are playing for fun.
I can't wait to try it on "Real Money".
you always win in fun moden because they want to make you hungry, and hope that you in real money mode take much more and spent more and more money.
I'm so happy you liked the sistem.
Yes indeed it can be very accurate at times, it worked for me also in fun mode, but I said I never tested it in 'real money' and for a LONG period of spins, and when I say long I mean 10.000 at least...
I got interested in trying to figure out that mysterious method left by Enygmist, so all this somehow got into shadow...and I never actually found time to cunduct throughout tests on that system.
So, try it, and if results are good let us all know, if not, let us all know again...I think it's in best intrest of all of us on this forum to help each other as much as we can.
Anlyizing stochastic (or random) process is one of the most difficult branches of math to deal with, it's definitley not easy to understand it (especially without strong math & statistics background), but I think it can shed us some more light on mysteries of 'the wheel'.
Best of luck and let us know how it's going.
But beware that online casinos with RNG are sometimes NOT random at all, if you start winning too much I think they have some algorithm that 'make up' the numbers so you simply start to lose, no matter what you do. That's why I personally always prefer webcam casinos, with LIVE wheel.
Best of luck!
[smiley=Santa001.gif]
Ok, so after blowing my whole bankroll on Wednesday. I am back at it with my last $200. Using the Scholastic Process. At first I was amazed that it was so accurate in "Play for Fun" mode. But now I am even more pleased to announce that it works just as well on "Play for Real Money" mode.
Yes! You heard right. It works! I have turned my measly $200 bucks into $300 in about an hour at Golden Casino with $1 dollar bets.
I have been so busy with Christmas stuff I have not had a chance to play. On Friday I made my deposit and I tried the method for about 4 rounds. And I thought: "WoW! This really works." Then I thought to myself don't get so excited yet. You have only played a couple of rounds for a couple of minutes.
Today I tried again. This time with plenty of time to try plenty of spins. I don't know how many spins I tried. But I won about 50. And it only took a max of 8 spins to win every bet. Keep in mind I am a conservative player, especially trying to protect my last $200, when I bet I let the first 2 spins miss and then I start my progression. So I guess technically it was a maximum of 10 spins to win. If anything I hurt myself by being so conservative. I will not bet before 2 misses. And there were many, many times that it hit the dozen I was betting on in 1 or 2 spins, so actually I could have won more.
Of course I know that a loss is inevitable. But my stop loss is $20. That is 10 spins. If my dozen doesn't come in by then I take the loss and move on. That hasn't happened yet, but I am going to prepare myself mentally for when it does.
I told you that I would let you know if this method works in "Real Money Mode" and these are my findings. I hope it works just as well for you.
If anyone has any questions I am available.
Merry Christamas from Atlanta GA.
great!
keep us updated on your progress, have you had any loss yet?
and one more question, if for instance you have the following last 4 numbers (a, b ,c ,d): 18, 27 20, 11 than test F1 fails, so you pass to formula F2, but result is -1.07 i.e. negative number. 8-)
How did you use to handle this situation during your play? Which dozen you play? Or you just skip that one spin??
Cheers and [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Great questions!
I have in fact experienced my first loss tonight. As I have said before my stop-loss limit is 8 spins(or $58). And it did finally happen. I am kind of glad it did. That way I could get it out of my system. But it only happened once and I stayed on the grind. It took me a little while to recover the loss. But I finally reached my goal for the day.
I am at $500 now! This method is truly something! I wish I wasn't so conservative I could have won alot more by now. It's just my nature.
"and one more question, if for instance you have the following last 4 numbers (a, b ,c ,d): 18, 27 20, 11 than test F1 fails, so you pass to formula F2, but result is -1.07 I.e. negative number.
How did you use to handle this situation during your play? Which dozen you play? Or you just skip that one spin??"
Simple answer: Just forget that it is a negative number. Your target is 1. Just start your progression on the first dozen. It will come in.
Or if it is more simple...look at F2 in reverse:
instead of 70.5-121=-50.5/47=-1.07 try it the other way around 121-70.5=50.5/47=1.07
See? It's the same outcome just without the negative sign. Don't let that negative throw you off. Your target number is still 1.
The only time I skip any spin is if 0 is D. I don't like that. I would prefer that all four numbers be whole numbers. The formula still works when 0 is D, that is just my preference.
Good luck.
Hi Drogan,
What progression you use? This is interesting even if it's RNG play. I notice you bet different than how it's supposed to play but you seem to do well. I have tried it for fun but just a few times. What takes time is the calculation. That sucks! Should be an easier way.
Would be interesting to hear more about your play.
Good luck!
as for calculation, you can always make simple Excel spreadsheet that will do the calcs for you, you just put in the numbers.
just an idea [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Bobco,
Yes, you are right. The calculation takes time but the outcome is well worth it.
As to what progression I use it is just a simple dozen progression. 1-2-3-4-6-9-13-20. My stop-loss limit is $20. I don't bet like it says in the book. I just bet on the dozen not the actual number. And I make sure that it misses the dozen that I am betting on(without betting)at least twice before I lay down my first bet. Yes my winnings are small and yes it takes time but I don't know of another system that is as accurate as this. It makes the grind worth all the effort.
Agraz,
I have actually thought of doing a spreadsheet. It will make it a lot easier. Unfortunately, I am not very good with Excel. If you would like to help come up with one just PM me. I'm game!
I feel this may be useful to everyone, so I'll post it here.
I proudly present [smiley=cool.gif] Excel sheet that makes callculations with the system a lot more easier - you just plug in the numbers and get what you need to play according to the book [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
nolinks://rapidshare.com/files/79287297/HolyGrail__smiley_.xls.html
Enjoy!
Cheers!
Thank you arigazzo!
Nice work arigazzo. Thanks for sharing .
Thanks arigazzo but for some reason the Excel sheet don't work. Or it's only for me. It open up but you can't put new numbers into it? When click on 'open for editing' it says cannot find any version of Microsoft Excel to open this file for editing.
Can you others get it to work?
Thanks
Ari,
This is perfect! This will save alot of time.
I haven't been able to play the last day or so, but I will use it as soon as I can.
Would love to hear some success stories and any variations of play from the other players that are using this system.
I need to read through this system in order to understand it fully. I am still hazy on the bet selection.
hi,
well no one answered, so i think it's probably just for you...
try installing newer version of Microsoft Office/Excel, this file was created with version 2002.
if it still doesn't work, i can try re-creating it as readable for some of older versions (like 97 or something)
Works fine for me arigazzo. Not the worst system in the world either!!
How's testing going Lohnro? I am going to utilize the spreadsheet and see if it works well.
Quotehi,
well no one answered, so i think it's probably just for you...
try installing newer version of Microsoft Office/Excel, this file was created with version 2002.
if it still doesn't work, i can try re-creating it as readable for some of older versions (like 97 or something)
Hi arigazzo,
No, still don't work for me even if I have the Microsoft Excel viewer 2003. There is some Office version 2007 but that one was not for free.
If it's not too much work maybe you can make an older version.
Thanks
I have found this system to have some merit as well. Sometimes, you would need to incorporate a long progression, but that's not a bad thing to have.
The longest stretch I have had that was losing was 15 spins which in my progression is only a 282-unit drawdown, which is very palatable, especially when playing $1 units.
I just finished a set of 225 spins, even though the system says don't play for more than 50 minutes or 60 spins, or whatever it was, and the final tally (after a loss 156 units because the table ended) was +349 units, which is impressive, especially against this group of numbers.
I have been playing the individual numbers instead of corners, just because it is easier, and double-covering the "predicted" number just seems foolish at best.
I have also found that there are some selection criteria that need to be used when certain numbers are incorporated in the spreadsheet:
(1) What to do when the formula tells you to play top or bottom line numbers.
- for instance, if "1" is advised to play. What do you do? Do you play 1,2,4,5? Do you play 1,2,3,4,5,6? What about 0,00,1,2,3? Or 0,00,1,2,3,4,5,6?
I would be inclined to include as many numbers as possible in order to get your hits quickly. I would advise AGAINST excluding 0 and/or 00 when playing these top line numbers of 1,2,3. Just my personal style.
With the bottom line numbers...I would probably be inclined to just play the bottom line (31,32,33,34,35,36) just to get good coverage of those as well.
(2) What about 2nd column numbers?
- this is a tricky situation. Let's say the prediction is the number "14". Which corners would you be using?
The 10,11,13,14 & 11,12,14,15? Or the 13,14,16,17 & 14,15,17,18? I have found that each of them hits on there, sometimes one quicker than the other. Another situation where I would probably go for both sides, which means that you would at this point be playing 3 streets: 10-12, 13-15 & 16-18.
(3) When doing these "alternative bets" when there is no clear cut 1st or 3rd column play, how do approach these hybrids?
- do you continue to bet on straight up numbers? or,
- in situation 1, do you bet the "basket bet" of 0,00,1,2,3 and get less money for your play? or do you do a 0/00 split and 1-3 street? or do you bet the basket plus the street of 4-6? or do you do a 0/00 split plus the line of 1-6?
- in situation 1 with the bottoms, you could do a line bet from 31-36 to save bankroll
- in situation 2, do you do 3 streets, or a line + street bet?
In all situations, I could set up progressions for all. I could do a base and an aggressive for both.
Personally, in these strange criteria, I would always opt for "MORE IS BETTER!"
This has been working surprisingly well. I know nothing about the mathematical Stochastic-Process. [smiley=shocked.gif] But I do not understand why it works using the table layout instead of the wheel layout. I think the wheel layout would or SHOULD work better??
To answer some of cps questions as to how "I" have been testing:
Quote
(1) What to do when the formula tells you to play top or bottom line numbers.
- for instance, if "1" is advised to play. What do you do? Do you play 1,2,4,5? Do you play 1,2,3,4,5,6? What about 0,00,1,2,3? Or 0,00,1,2,3,4,5,6?
When 1 is advised I play only 1,2,4,5 and the 1,0 split. Do you have a "conservative" progression for that?
I would be inclined to include as many numbers as possible in order to get your hits quickly. I would advise AGAINST excluding 0 and/or 00 when playing these top line numbers of 1,2,3. Just my personal style.
With the bottom line numbers...I would probably be inclined to just play the bottom line (31,32,33,34,35,36) just to get good coverage of those as well.
(2) What about 2nd column numbers?
- this is a tricky situation. Let's say the prediction is the number "14". Which corners would you be using?
The 10,11,13,14 & 11,12,14,15? Or the 13,14,16,17 & 14,15,17,18? I have found that each of them hits on there, sometimes one quicker than the other. Another situation where I would probably go for both sides, which means that you would at this point be playing 3 streets: 10-12, 13-15 & 16-18.
I play the 3 single streets 10,11,12 13,14,15 & 16,17,18. What "conservative" progression would you use for that?
@bobo
try to open this one. if it still doesn't work, you may need to install full version of MS Excel, not just viewer. just a guess.
nolinks://rapidshare.com/files/79967092/HolyGrail__smiley_97.xls.html
Cheers!
hi guys have you been using this system on RNG or live wheel play [smiley=smiley.gif]
Yes, I had to install a full new version of Ms Excel. Now it works. [smiley=smiley.gif]
Free for a while but if testing and tries shows good worth to buy it.
Thanks for your help arigazzo
Well, i was sceptical at firts but todat i tought 'lets give it a try'
i logged in at dublin bet account and started playing and i used the exel sheet, at first a started playing the numbers but i soon found out thats not going to work for me.
So started to play the dozens (yes i like to play the dozens ;) ) and i'm amazed how good i went after one hour of play i was 300 units up and most of the time it hit the dozen within 3 times.
i played in fun mode (but at dublinbet thats the same as for real)
so i gonne test this system for some serious time next week ans see how it goes then.
i'll be back. :-? :-? :-/ [smiley=tongue.gif]
@ Lohnro - I am working on all particular progressions right now. Once I finish them, I will either post them directly, or I will solicit email addresses so I can send the spreadsheet over.
Played a bit with the system last night (in real money mode), and stupidly lost 20eur.
My initial bankrool was 20e, I was in plus let's say 16e (total 36e), and than suddenly came one 11 long streak of misses, and I lost everything using dozen progression.
Probably this system needs bigger bankrool, or I will try with 25c chips, cuz I don't have more money for now :-[
Anyone expirienced recurrent and/or very long streaks of misses?
Happy New Year! [smiley=Santa001.gif]
Hi arigazzo,
I also played with this using the dozen progression. It came up to 10 losses in row once so I almost lost some money. After that I stopped and think that it can as well go on with longer losing streaks. I play with small units, 0.25 euro. But I think the program detect how you play and make you to lose. The thing to prevent this could be a long progression. Maybe it will work better for live roulette. I don't know. I noticed it hit quite often the number beside so maybe play 2 number could be something. Or include the number itself so it would be 3. Again a progression would be necessary. I don't think flatbetting is possible. I don't know if there's a way to beat the RNG. The good thing is that the play goes quick.
Happy new year! [smiley=beer.gif]
I again blown out whole bankrool, now 35e. I was playing with 25c chips, same method like Drogan, with progression 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 13, 20, 29, 44, 66, 99, ... and expirienced 14 long losing streak!!!
This is no more roulette, this is chess!! I saw everything from 24, 0, 24, 0, 0, 0, 6 to most strangest combinations of numbers coming out and I was playing for 4h straight, my maximum balance was 52e (i.e. +22e positive) before I lost everything.
Even from somewhere appeared 'Rewards customer service agent' to chat with me, but he hadn't offered me any rewards, just said if i want something I can contact them...Strange. Probably I was for too long at the table.
Yes, I want something - my money back!! :P
Are they (bet365) watching upon users games??
Cheers!!
But dont wait a little too long, i main a 14 long losingstreak that should ring the alarm bells? :'(
I too have experienced a bad losing streak. :-[
After being away from the tables for a while now, because of the holidays, I could not wait to get back and start winning again.
I know this system works and I have taken my bankroll from $200 to $660. With only $1 bets. WOW!
But yesterday I came across the worst streak ever. More zeros than I have ever seen before. And the 3rd dozen came in about 20 times. I stopped betting after my stop-loss of $20. But then I started betting again, and the damn number still didn't come in. So I sat back and spun a few without betting. Finally number came in and I was releived but then it happened again on the second dozen. The second dozen has never come in that many times. I was freakin out!
Zeros and long runs of one certain dozen. That was the damdest thing I had ever seen. I was like the casino knew which dozen I was on and it was determined not to land on that one. WTF!?!
I am back down to $300. Happy New Year to me. :'(
This system works. I know it does. I have tested it for hundreds of spins and won! I am not sure why the bad streak. Gonna have to step back and rethink some things.
Any suggestions?
Hi guys, [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Just would like to know why anyone would want to play RNG's?
They are clearly as crooked as OJ!
I will never ever play them again.
I started Roulette playing RNG's not knowing better!. Good ol' Roger said it! RNG fun mode is not the same as real money mode! Also they definately let you win in real money as well...up to a point off course! Then it doesn't matter if you are God, but win you won't! RNG's are not designed to pay out Mate only to wet your appetite and then collect everything it can! If you play evens you'll see that the patterns will quickly change to the opposite colour you are on and then stay with it indefinately!
Same with dozens or any configuration you like to play! Why do you not go and play real spins at dublinbet.com. You will quickly see the difference between RNG's and live!
Anyhow that is just my humble opinion. I'm sure though that very few members here actually play RNG.
Kind regards
Jakkalsdraai
QuoteI'm sure though that very few members here actually play RNG.
Not me, you bet. I won't play RNG's at all.
Actually, as online experience, I have played at 32 vegas and clubdice recently, only live wheels (with a friend's account). He'll be sending me some won euros via western union as soon as he gets the funds.
Heck, if they TAKE REAL MONEY as every land-based casino does, then online casinos must get used to PAY REAL MONEY to those who know how to play this game and win in the monthly average.
Fair casinos must abide by the rules. Ask bobby! He has made withdraws in excess of 50K from his online playing!!!
Regards,
Victor
Well, i would call it a criminal activity (how you call that?) yes i realy do the actuals the give in fun mode shoul by the same as in real mode. I still would'nt play RNG's because the software is so sophisticated its unbeateble!!!!!
Thats wy i like dublinbet so much, you see the table, the dealer and the people around the table placing there bets.
You're there everything is real somtimes you see the dealer fooling arround with some chips when there's nobody playing on the table. : :D if got the fealing i'm building a long term realation ship with some of the dealers, [smiley=wink.gif] theres one dealer i dont like when i see here i just leave i never had winnigs when she was the dealer, i just leave. ;D what i'm talking about?? you guys must think i'm sick in the head or something, well youre right a got the flu and should be in bed. [smiley=cry.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=sad.gif]
Ok. I think you all are correct. I think my problem is the fact that I am trying to beat the RNGs. I was not aware that they are unbeatable.
So I am testing the site that everyone is raving about: Dublinbet. I do like the fact that it is a true spin and not made by the computer. The only thing that I don't like is that there is so much time between spins. So far I have won every round that I have played with the fun money. So I think that Dublinbet is the way to go. I am thinking that if I play both tables at the same time I can double the amount of spins and therefore reducing the amount of time that I have to spend playing.
Anyway, thanks for the tip. Now all I have to do is get my money out of Golden Casino and into Dublinbet. And from what I hear that takes a good bit of time to do. But I would rather do that than try to play at Golden again and lose the entire lot.
Are there any other sites that let you play in Real time like Dublinbet? And do they accept American players?
Golden casino can take about a week to get your money out of if it is your first time withdrawing.
They email you and even ring you to try and persuade you to keep your money in there.
Drogan, have you tested this system on 'real wheel' on Dublin bet, and for how many spins? [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
Did I hear right, or you said...'won EVERY round'?? If it's so, than we have solved THE problem!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Yes, playing against the RNG seems hopeless. It always go against you sooner or later. I tried this with some live sessions (Wiesbaden spins I think), not many but it performed better than the RNG.
Now my excel sheet don't work again but it's no speed in Dublinbet so never mind doing it by hand. Dublinbet looks better for example Bet365 and Joyland. I prefer the way Dublinbet shows it with dealers and players doing bets.
So a good progression will maybe works.
Yes guys
I too would be interested to see how this performs at Dublin bet and some suggestions re progression if there are 15 spins without a win. Using 4 chips per spin would soon wipe the bank out if we have to wait 15 spins. Hopefully Dublinbet has no long losing streaks.
Almost finished with the progressions. I will be glad to send them to anybody who wants them. They are interesting to say the least. However, you will need to have a proper bankroll or you should at least look for some sort of stop-loss in the progressions.
I have tested this with REAL ACTUALS. It is a winner for sure the way that I have decided to play it. I think it has merit. However, trying to calculate the play at the table will be tough since the spreadsheet isn't allowed. I believe calculators are, which would help out, but still a pain in the neck. Nevertheless, I have seen this system do very well, especially with the progressions that I have developed.
no matter spreadsheet is not allowed, you can always play at home and playing on Dublinbet is almost like playing in real casino, so it will be ok ;)
you can send me your progressions and i'll do some more tests myself, you are right when you said that this system has merit, it definitely does...just necessary to overcome drawbacks when long losing streaks happen...
Cheers!
Hi,
I am working on a system where a losing progression will be "absorbed" in the future bets. This will be done in software that I am letting someone write for me. The thing is it gets fairly complicated if you have several losing streeks close after each other.
I am approaching this as a sort of mortgage which has to be paid of in future bets.
I noticed that approximately 4 out of 40 spins will initiate a progression longer than 5 spins.
I will let you all know how it goes.
regards,
metalrat
Quoteno matter spreadsheet is not allowed, you can always play at home and playing on Dublinbet is almost like playing in real casino, so it will be ok ;)
you can send me your progressions and i'll do some more tests myself, you are right when you said that this system has merit, it definitely does...just necessary to overcome drawbacks when long losing streaks happen...
Cheers!
arigazzo,
I am using a different bet selection for this. If you look at the post I made last week concerning "more is better", that is how I am approaching it. If there is a vague selection in the 2nd column or at the top or bottom of the board, I am using more numbers to allow me to win without going too far down the progression. I've found that it helps out a lot.
QuoteHi,
I am working on a system where a losing progression will be "absorbed" in the future bets. This will be done in software that I am letting someone write for me. The thing is it gets fairly complicated if you have several losing streeks close after each other.
I am approaching this as a sort of mortgage which has to be paid of in future bets.
I noticed that approximately 4 out of 40 spins will initiate a progression longer than 5 spins.
I will let you all know how it goes.
regards,
metalrat
Thanks metalrat...sounds intriguing. I look forward to your findings.
ah yes...i remember.
definitely 'more is always better' (but then you win less on hit), and sometimes simply it won't come for long...and i still haven't figured out why this happens...
QuoteQuoteno matter spreadsheet is not allowed, you can always play at home and playing on Dublinbet is almost like playing in real casino, so it will be ok ;)
you can send me your progressions and i'll do some more tests myself, you are right when you said that this system has merit, it definitely does...just necessary to overcome drawbacks when long losing streaks happen...
Cheers!
arigazzo,
I am using a different bet selection for this. If you look at the post I made last week concerning "more is better", that is how I am approaching it. If there is a vague selection in the 2nd column or at the top or bottom of the board, I am using more numbers to allow me to win without going too far down the progression. I've found that it helps out a lot.
Quoteah yes...i remember.
definitely 'more is always better' (but then you win less on hit), and sometimes simply it won't come for long...and i still haven't figured out why this happens...
That is true...however, I would rather have a hit than a loss, in my opinion.
Besides, I have more aggressive progressions included that would have you win MORE than you would otherwise.
Did you have any bigger drawbacks during play, sessions that finish in loss, or times when progression went too big and your whole bank was at risk?
Hello,
Cps, what is your bet selection, dozens? and what progression do you use? I have tested this with live spins and I'm not that convinced. A total of about 90 spins I tested. Longest streak without hitting the same dozen was 9. But with this it feels like it's not impossible to go up to 15 or even more without a hit. A bigger bankroll with a longer progression possible is also taking a bigger risk. Hitting the same number it don't seem to do often, but the tests spins are too few. 2 times are not that much however. Hitting 'about' the same number isn't that good either.
Look at this:
Prediction Correct
1 18
2 19
29 23
28 3
7 27
35 21
26 21
5 28
16 0
0 (no play on
dozen) 21
Even if you use live spins it don't feel that good but I welcome any other to possible improve it.
Thank you!
@ arigazzo
So far, there has been very little drawdown in respect to my entire bankroll. However, as Victor has said before, the unexpected CAN and WILL happen. Hopefully you aren't at the table when that happens. That being said, no, my entire bank has not been in jeopardy YET, and I play till I get a win, so I have not lost a session yet. Now, if you were to reduce your bankroll, and play only an 8-spin progression, for example, you will get losing sessions. That's just the facts.
@ bobco
Happy New Year, mate! If you look at the scenarios that I proposed to Lohnro, then you will see how I am selecting my numbers. In your example, I would say this is my bet selection:
Prediction 1 - play 0 00 1 2 3 4 5 6 (8 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 2 - same play
Prediction 29 - 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 (9 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 28 - 25 26 28 29 31 32 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 7 - 4 5 7 8 10 11 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 35 - 31 32 33 34 35 36 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 26 - 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (9 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 5 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (9 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 16 - 13 14 16 17 19 20 (6 numbers in a progression)
Prediction 0 - 0 00 1 2 3 (5 numbers in a progression)
Hope this helps. I am now preaching the "More is Better" routine!
Here is a test run of some actual numbers that I have, and tell you what I do:
26 <--- track
30 <--- track
6 <--- track
3 <--- Prediction 4 (play 1 2 4 5 7 8 in a 6-number progression)
31
9
2 <--- WIN (+18 units) now Prediction 20 (play 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 in a 9-number progression)
7
3
8
20 <--- WIN (+27 units; +45 units total) now Prediction 28 (play 25 26 28 29 31 32 in a 6-number progression)
31 <--- WIN (+30 units; +75 units total) now Prediction 7 (play 4 5 7 8 10 11 in a 6-number progression)
20
25
5 <--- WIN (+18 units; +93 units total) now Prediction 7 (play 4 5 7 8 10 11 in a 6-number progression)
17
6
33
3
26
17
30
35
12
16
15
5 <--- WIN (+24 units; +117 units total; this was largest drawdown of 156 units so far) now play Prediction 12 (play 8 9 11 12 14 15 in a 6-number progression)
8 <--- WIN (+30 units; +147 units total) now Prediction 9 (play 5 6 8 9 11 12 in a 6-number progression)
19
21
16
21
13
26
25
33
8 <--- WIN (+24 units; +171 units total) now Prediction 17 (play 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 in a 9-number progression)
16 <--- WIN (+27 units; +198 units total) now Prediction 25 (play 22 23 25 26 28 29 in a 6-number progression)
30
21
0
34
4
30
34
00
34
27
1
25 <--- WIN (+24 units; +222 units overall) again, largest drawdown of 156 units; 12 spins between
This isnt bad. Anybody wanting the spreadsheet of Progressions, just send me your email address.
@ gizmo - can you send your email to me? I got your note, but couldn't respond.
50 spins and 222 units
The above was playing a basic progression that allows you to win playing single numbers on any hit. I have different types of progressions available though. If I had played super aggressive, my largest drawdown would have been 636 units, but my wins would have been several hundred more units (in fact, it would have been [size=16]723 units[/size]!!)
QuoteAnybody wanting the spreadsheet of Progressions, just send me your email address.
I can host it @ the downloads section keith, make it reach me ;)
Hello fellas. I am new to the forum and new to playing roulette and am glad to be here. I have played online poker for several years with a lot of success and decided to take a shot w/ online roulette. I quickly learned the hard way that roulette software, most at least won't work in the long run :(
I have been learning a lot and learning very quickly. I came across this system before finding this great forum. I have been testing it for about 5 days now. I have over 600 spins in using the system. I must agree with most of the members in that it works. Only question is for how long on the RNGs? Hopefully it will work in the long run at RNGs for real money. I, like I'm sure most of us have my doubts, so we will see. Being in the US it is RNGs or nothing for me, so I'm willing test as many systems as possible to try and find a winner, if one is out there. It's good to see so many people testing the system and sharing ideas. I am also testing Reverse Roulette using Roulette Sniper to generate my bets. I have had marginal success with this strategy. I myself have tested the system (RSW) from this thread on both French and Euro Roulette and have had great success (in play money). It's only play money I know....... ;) Unfortunately, I don't have my spreadsheet on me (I'm at work - shame on me) so I can't post my exact stats right now, but I believe I am up about 650 units ($1/unit) using the system. I only bet dozens like some of the members and have been using a dozen progression. From my experience the most of the bets hit w/in 5-6 spins. I have had progressions of 10 or higher only about 8 times if I remember correctly and only two of 10 or higher at a time < 50 spins for the session.
I would like to minimize my risk in the future and only but up to 6 progressions, like several of the members have suggested, just don't want to be risking half my bankroll on one spin.
I really like metalrat's idea.....please keep us posted bro. The best strategy I can think of off the top of my head is that after a losing progression of 6 for the next two progression bets double your progression amount (ie start w/ 2 instead of 1). Do this for two progressions. If you win both go back down to your original progression. If you lose one of the two up your progression amount this time, except by a factor of 3. If you win both go back down to your original progression. If you lose QUIT and play another day. Any suggestions or comments.? I'm sure some of the vets can find an issue w/ this strategy. I'm all ears. Thanks fellas!
My goodness what an active thread this has become in my absence. Always good to hear how other players are doing.
QuoteAlmost finished with the progressions. I will be glad to send them to anybody who wants them. They are interesting to say the least. However, you will need to have a proper bankroll or you should at least look for some sort of stop-loss in the progressions.
Cps,
I would most definitely be interested in getting those progressions. Thanks! And I am very intrigued by the "more is always better" theory.
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I am working on a system where a losing progression will be "absorbed" in the future bets. This will be done in software that I am letting someone write for me. The thing is it gets fairly complicated if you have several losing streeks close after each other.
I am approaching this as a sort of mortgage which has to be paid of in future bets.
I noticed that approximately 4 out of 40 spins will initiate a progression longer than 5 spins.
I will let you all know how it goes.
regards,
metalrat
Wow! Great Metalrat! Every little edge helps.
And just to throw in my own two cents worth......I have been using this system on columns instead of dozens. The columns come in even quicker. I have not had to wait more than 6 spins. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
I have sent the spreadsheet(s) to Victor to post on the site. If you guys would prefer it emailed to you, I will gladly do so.
Mate, I suggest you to try to find some live wheel casino that accepts US players and to try you luck there...I'm simply not convinced that RNG's are fair, anyone who has played a bit can vitness...
So with any system you use - just for a short time, and when you're in significant plus ruuuuun; you can also try to withdraw part of the amount and than return to play later and see how it goes..
Cheers!
QuoteHello fellas. I am new to the forum and new to playing roulette and am glad to be here. I have played online poker for several years with a lot of success and decided to take a shot w/ online roulette. I quickly learned the hard way that roulette software, most at least won't work in the long run :(
I have been learning a lot and learning very quickly. I came across this system before finding this great forum. I have been testing it for about 5 days now. I have over 600 spins in using the system. I must agree with most of the members in that it works. Only question is for how long on the RNGs? Hopefully it will work in the long run at RNGs for real money. I, like I'm sure most of us have my doubts, so we will see. Being in the US it is RNGs or nothing for me, so I'm willing test as many systems as possible to try and find a winner, if one is out there. It's good to see so many people testing the system and sharing ideas. I am also testing Reverse Roulette using Roulette Sniper to generate my bets. I have had marginal success with this strategy. I myself have tested the system (RSW) from this thread on both French and Euro Roulette and have had great success (in play money). It's only play money I know....... ;) Unfortunately, I don't have my spreadsheet on me (I'm at work - shame on me) so I can't post my exact stats right now, but I believe I am up about 650 units ($1/unit) using the system. I only bet dozens like some of the members and have been using a dozen progression. From my experience the most of the bets hit w/in 5-6 spins. I have had progressions of 10 or higher only about 8 times if I remember correctly and only two of 10 or higher at a time < 50 spins for the session.
I would like to minimize my risk in the future and only but up to 6 progressions, like several of the members have suggested, just don't want to be risking half my bankroll on one spin.
I really like metalrat's idea.....please keep us posted bro. The best strategy I can think of off the top of my head is that after a losing progression of 6 for the next two progression bets double your progression amount (ie start w/ 2 instead of 1). Do this for two progressions. If you win both go back down to your original progression. If you lose one of the two up your progression amount this time, except by a factor of 3. If you win both go back down to your original progression. If you lose QUIT and play another day. Any suggestions or comments.? I'm sure some of the vets can find an issue w/ this strategy. I'm all ears. Thanks fellas!
Thanks for the advice gazzo 8-) Damn RNGs....... Do you know of any live casinos that accept US players? The only one that I have come across is riverbelle casino. They do not adverse it anywhere on the site, but I read in a review that they do offer live play for US customers. So, I'm not 100% sure. However, I was informe today that live casino play is illegal in the US, so I might be out of luck.
i don't know what to say...than come to Europe [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] but it's a shame for so big country...to have so little democracy. i think anyone is free to choose where he wants to spend (or earn [smiley=grin.gif]) his money.
anyway i'll have a look and see if i can find anything. in the meantime if you can, you can register on riverbelle. as much as i know, there was no complaints about 'em.
cheers
QuoteThanks for the advice gazzo 8-) Damn RNGs....... Do you know of any live casinos that accept US players? The only one that I have come across is riverbelle casino. They do not adverse it anywhere on the site, but I read in a review that they do offer live play for US customers. So, I'm not 100% sure. However, I was informe today that live casino play is illegal in the US, so I might be out of luck.
Agent,
I am in the US also.
Atlanta GA!
I am registered at the live wheel at Dublinbet.com. They accept US players.
I am playing right now! Come and join the fun!
dublinbet.com[smiley=cool.gif]
Hey Drogan. Thanks for the invite. You are playing for fun correct? Dublin doesn't offer real money accounts to US players right?.... [smiley=angry.gif]
I think live roulette on the internet is out of the question for me at this point. Very disappointing.
I will stay with Dublinbet and not go back to Bet 365 for example. Problem with this is that it close you down if you don't bet for some time and more problem (technical or cheat?). Haven't noticed that with Dublinbet. Just the video shut down but it opens up when you place a bet.
About progression for dozens I try to not bet on 4 spins and then start to bet. So far works good but it's always a worry that it will come up to 12 losses. I had 9 once. Maybe it would be better to wait for 6 spins before betting but it would also mean that the bets would not be so often.
Betting on numbers looks more hazardous to me. I've seen 8-9 losses on that. I will check that spreadsheet if cps sent or if it's here somewhere.
At dublinbet the also shut the video down if you thont place bets after a while, but it coms back up when you do.
Agent,
I am playing for fun right now at Dublinbet. I have not tried to spend money there. I am still waiting for my money from Golden Casino.
Most sites won't even let you register if you are a US player if they won't allow you to bet. Why would Dublinbet allow you to register and then not take your money? That doesn't make sense to me.
Can anybody else shed some light on this? When I try to bet real money at Dublinbet are they going to turn me away because I am a US player?
Yeah I'm afraid they will. Unless I am completely full of it. I am looking into live roulette at riverbelle online casino. Although I heard that live play online is illegal for US players, but I'm not 100% sure. There are just no online casinos that offer live roulette for us Americans. I'm not sure if legislation is in the books to try and change the laws in regards to online casinos here in the US. I know there is w/ poker, but not sure if this includes online casinos.
I know it's been for a while, but it's so weird that US citizens can't play on-line. Just like everyone having a casiner around the corner which I doubt.
Anyway, I've heard some bookmakers/casinos are open for us citizens but I don't remember which ones.
I tried again with the progression today and when I was down to 11th step I stopped. It won on the 12th. :( Not a big deal as I won a bit with it, but I don't know if this is so good. If it loose on the 11th, it can as well lose on the 12th and so on?? Wait for 6 spins and then bet but bets like them don't come often [smiley=undecided.gif]
I think I wait with this for a while.
Hello All,
I am going to post some results on this in a different thread. For those of you interested, please check back here for the link later.
Now, here is the link:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1199983719