Well I'm not sure how that would be possible because telekinesis means movement of objects with mind power. From my point of view , telekinesis is achieved by projecting a portion of your consciousness in the object that you want to move.
So, I guess you could move the ball out the pocket it landed and into one of the pockets you bet on ;D
Next time I play Im going to 'be the ball'
Oh boy...VIP here I come. Ken
@ Ken > What do you mean, Ken ? :rtfm:
@ All > First of all, you need to KNOW telekinesis exists. Believing is not enough, as you will always be a little skeptic.
How do you KNOW telekinesis exists ? Just DO IT. You have the power to do it.
It requires relaxation and training. But anyone can achieve it and develop their special abilities.
On the other hand, picture how crazy it would look if you saw the ball strolling around the wheel, looking for a place to park. ....
" Here´s number 14, my telekinesis master will win big if i just sit here, let me get in reverse so i can park" ;D
Maybe the Tk specialist gambler should only move the (big value) chip to the winning number, instead !!!
It´s also crazy, i know, but he couldn´t be accused of past posting since his hands were well in his pockets. :yahoo:
8)
I do think its rubbish, sorry. Part of my arguement has always been.... Say you have 3 VERY focused players betting on red and 3 VERY focused players betting on black. Now what? Ken
QuoteI do think its rubbish, sorry.
That´s ok, you don´t have to be sorry.
But bear in mind that telekinesis is the ability to move objects through the power of the mind, without the use of physical force.
Objects and movement,
not concepts (red/black) and movement.
You can´t move "black", or "green", or "pink", or "random" or "positive" with telekinesis.
You can move objects !
Now you ask: "In that case, what would happen if 3 guys were trying to
move the ball (object) into a black slot using only their mind power whereas 3 other guys were trying to move the ball into a red slot ? "
Well, that would be the same as 3 guys on each side of a rope pulling it to their respective sides. What 3 guys would win ? The ones at your left, or the ones at your right ? :spiteful:
It´s not so easy to answer, is it, Ken ?
By the way, i don´t believe Tk exists, i KNOW it does. It makes a world of difference... Can i move a roulette wheel with Tk ? Hell, no ! But that doesn´t stop me from trying ... one day :D
Cheers.
Well Ken, there is one thing in which we do agree.
@ MJP78 (I have to be more clear as Ken is a retard)
By the way, if you are soooooo certain that TK exists. Why would you play roulette? Why wouldn't you focus on Lotto balls? The payout would seem better.
You can focus all you want on the ball to hit a specific number. And you will hit it from time to time. But I doubt the result will be from TK as much as you try to convince yourself. The problem with people like you is even if you did a few tests under controlled conditions and it failed multiple times, you'd still spend the rest of your life trying to make it work the one time.
QuoteOh boy...VIP here I come. Ken
Ken, this is ostracizing people for their sincere attempts to develop methods to beat roulette. If you have something to say against precognition, make it constructive. If you dont believe it is possible, do your research. If you still arent convinced of the potential, state your detailed reasons in a constructive way OR keep it to yourself.
I am trying to make vls a place where people can express their opinions without being made fun of or shot down just for trying to be productive. We can do without you making smart arse comments that tend to make people keep to themselves rather than sharing thoughts.
Consider it a warning.
.......I once saw an guy, French men, moving an pen on an table with his mind........ so far the best Tk I have seen. He was able to move it just an little bit.....the table was made out of glass...... so no tricks.....
Maybe ask Uri Geller about it.......he knows an thing or two about this stuff.......however....... I do not believe that it is possible to apply with roulette........
Maybe using an " mantra " ? Just say all the numbers of the roulette table like 1000 times for an week long every day, then go to the casino and look at the table first numbers that you think of play them.........
Carlitos 8)
"By the way, if you are soooooo certain that TK exists" >>> What? Can you read? I'm saying it does NOT exist. (IMO) Ken
"But bear in mind that telekinesis is the ability to move objects through the power of the mind, without the use of physical force" >>> Thats fine, I can just re-word my point. 3 Jedi guys trying to "move" the ball to one half of the wheel while another 3 Jedi guys trying to "move" the ball to the other half of the wheel. Now what? Ken
"Consider it a warning" >>> And in bold letters. (Slowly, slowly.....) "The problem with people like you" >>> Davey-Jones (one of your crew) said this to me. Is that ok? "do your research" >>> Again with the research and proof thing. Well, I have never tested drinking cat urine to cure a hangover BUT....it might work cause I really did not do my research on it??? Ken
You know what Steve, I have asked this from you MANY times. Lets say we happen to come across a thread regarding whatever. Ya read something that you dont agree with. Now what? I used the word 'rubbish', thats a problem? Pick apart, word for word my post. *NOTHING* in there that is rude BUT I did not PROVE that TK does not exist.
Thats your beef? On this thread, TK was not proven to exist, so I'm looking for the consistency with your logic/rules. So if I start a thread that says...you can win at roulette if you eat six pieces of chicken before going to the casino, you're saying that no one is allowed to say otherwise because they cant PROVE I'm wrong. Is that the guideline of your rules?
Because if it is, I will follow it to a T but in return, will point out to YOU when its also not done for me. You said, " If you have something to say against precognition, make it constructive". HOW? So I cant politely say I dont agree with it and then I followed it up with a GREAT point/question? Ken
...how do you know for sure it does not excist? ....... how do i know for sure it does excist? Basicly, we do not know for sure whether it excist or not....... therefor we don't know....... so we can not say it does or it doesn't................ we just can say we do not know...............:pleasantry:
Carlitos 8)
"how do I know for sure it does excist? Basicly, we do not know for sure whether it excist or not" >>> And thats fine but not my point with Steve. Then.....one person(s) (REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE) should NOT be allowed to agree/disagree while the other, is allowed the opposite view, with NO PROOF. I'm looking for the rules to be the same. Ken
Ken if you dont agree and cant scientifically prove precognition does NOT exist, just stay out of it - do not be a nuisance to other people who do believe, and are genuinely trying to develop related abilities. Simple. If they are wrong or if thats what you believe, let it be.
I want to encourage progress. With your earth is flat attitude, nothing new would be discovered or developed. Fine if that's your attitude, but dont push your beliefs to the point where you discourage further research, and ostracize others, like with the statement you made.
"if you dont agree and cant scientifically prove precognition does NOT exist, just stay out of it" >>> So my question again, if someone says it DOES exist or might exist, does THAT person have to PROVE it does in order to keep their thread up? If I start a thread saying that you can win at roulette if you eat six pieces of chicken before going to the casino (I know its a goofy example).... NO ONE should be allowed to post on my thread if they dont agree with me because they can not prove me wrong, correct?? They should "stay out of it", correct? Ken
"try 7 pieces of chicken and a bowl of strawberries" >>> You cant say that unless you can prove it. Ok wait...is it me that has to disprove you? Oh forget it, I cant keep track, I just want the same guidelines. Ken
.......... i see.......... you want to point out another point.....everyone has the same rules.....who is going not to lett you from posting your view.....even if someones else say so in hist post..... just post whether you want within the rules......
Carlitos 8)
"who is going not to lett you from posting your view" >>> Answer: Steve. Can you post your view even if you can not prove it? Thats my question and the opposite..... can you be the author of a thread with a view and not have to prove it? All valid questions.
I'll be fair to Steve and give him a more realistic example, forget the chicken thing. Say I want to start a thread that says....through my YEARS of playing, I have discovered you should bet on the odd numbers on odd days and the even numbers on even days.
I have NETTED thousands using this method/idea for years, its a GREAT way to play roulette! <<<<<< Now, can someone post on my thread and say "no way Ken" without proving I'm wrong? One standard for everyone. Ken
Quoteif you dont agree and cant scientifically prove precognition does NOT exist, just stay out of it
Steve,
You can't prove scientifically that anything
doesn't exist, that's absurd. Science works by
induction - in other words it works by looking at things in the world and drawing conclusions based on observations. You can only draw conclusions based on what you find, not on what you
don't find. Furthermore, the onus is on those who make the claims to give evidence, otherwise you make no progress because the number of ways you can find something
not happening is infinite.
...if it's his or her opinion then they should be able to post it......even if they will not proove that you are wrong ( or for that matter that you will proove that you are right ) ...whats all about is....that others also read it..... and therefor there will be an larger common opinion about it to whether it has merrit to be true or not..... if in case you are right and they others are not..... it will sort out for it itself.... you can compared this with natural selection........
Everyones has an feeling to what can be true or not.....
Carlitos 8)
Carlitos,
Whether something is true or not does not depend on the number of people who believe it. It doesn't count as evidence for or against anything. Sure, anyone can have an opinion, but it means nothing from a scientific point of view.
....Tangram i think you are missing the point...... its about some else being able to say no without prooving it...... and not about how much people needed to have for it to be true......
I know one can be on himself and find something that is true.... here in this case somelse say it is not true without prooving why.... so it will mean that others will read it too...... and will have an opinion too whether its true or not.....
May i remind iam talking about the forum as regard to this......
Carlitos 8)
This thread is a load of twaddle. In fact this whole section is nonsense.
"In fact this whole section is nonsense" >>> You bet it is.....and.... lets have the SAME definitions for everyone, thanks. Ken
...you see.....Number Six finds this nonsense while other find it intresting ........ so one gives his opinion without prooving anything........
Great real live example of your point Ken!!
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: Carlitos on January 24, 2010, 09:10:46 AM
.......... I see.......... you want to point out another point.....everyone has the same rules.....who is going not to lett you from posting your view.....even if someones else say so in hist post..... just post whether you want within the rules......
Carlitos 8)
i see....as well... you have absolutly right..... :)
To the skeptics ou there, i am sure Tk exists because i proved it to myself.
I spun a psi wheel.... ( Insert all your sarcastic laughter here ).... BIG DEAL, you might say. And that´s perfectly fine by me, as i am a tolerant person.
That´s probably the basic step for any person who´s interested in developing their abilities.
You want proof ? I can prove it to you too, all you have to do is to come and meet me, so you see a little square of paper spinning on top of a needle tip without me touching it, blowing, having no tricks, nothing, just mental power.
Nonsense, right ? Of course you wouldn´t travel half world to see this guy doing some mumbo jumbo BS "trick" to move a bit of paper, because (in your closed mind) Tk simply doesn´t exist and that´s all there is to it.
However, ANYONE can do it and can work on it. Ask people you know. Ask someone close to you for proof.
I agree, that´s too little, so what ?
Lotto balls ? I would be happy to make a plastic bottle cap move by Tk. That´s what i am trying to do lately. This is no hobby or obsession of mine. It´s more of a personal discovery and stretching my mental limits.
I thought people would be more open minded, at least that they honestly TRIED to understand what they are commenting upon, without bashing Tk because they can´t be bothered to read about it or even come to terms with a whole lot of people sharing experiences all over the internet.
@ Carlitos > Forget about Uri Geller, he is a scammer at his own game.
Well, when I was a little kid, I also managed to move "psi wheel". There was a "documentary" about paranormal things on the TV, and this was one of the "proofs". You put such a paper construction on top of a pin, and then concentrate on it to move it to one side. And after some time, it really moves there. The trick is, that because it is on the top of pin, it is very sensitive, so it will probably rotate to one side and to other and so. So you are sitting and concentrating on it, and when it starts to move to your side, you can say - HEUREKA, it works. Also when you are sitting and concentrating, and it is not moving, you may decide to move it to other side, or you are just trying to move it any sady. This kind of thing is with high probability illusion of control, read nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_of_control. (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_of_control.)
Illusion of control is damned thing. I have played some flat betting sessions in RX, and I was able to "predict" where the corner will land with hight accuracy, thats what I was thinking. I just clicked on spin and then pressed enter to see the patterns quickly and noticed, that there are hot areas. So I was betting by feel, and after a hour or so I was still winning and winning and winning. Then I lost focus, and started to loss, then regained it and by feel that it is good continued to play and continue to win. I made even a theory, that every two random events are connected by a string of fate, and appearence of one corner means that corner on the other side will soon appear. And it worked so nice for some time :)
Those are all kinds of fallacy - the numbers were already predetermined by RNG, which is initialized by number of second from 1.1.1970 00:00:00 when you run RX, there is no magic, string of fate or telekinesis.
Well, I do not absolutely deny TK, I'm saying it improbable. Find how z-score test is done, go to casino and play virtual and try to measure it. This process can be measured statistically. At least, trying to do telekinesis does not harm - if it exists, it may be usefull, if it does not, nothing bad will happen.
"But bear in mind that telekinesis is the ability to move objects through the power of the mind, without the use of physical force" >>> Thats fine, I can just re-word my question. 3 guys using TK to "move" the ball to one half of the wheel while another 3 guys using TK to "move" the ball to the opposite half of the wheel AND the wheel is not moving, only the ball. Now what? Ken
Ken,
You need to develop your ESP so that you can read the minds of those guys who are moving the ball to the opposite side. You can then direct your TK abilities so that you are both pulling together.
Hey Ken... You retarded F*ck. I know it doesn't exist. I wasn't talking to you. Quit being a F*cking idiot and fighting with everyone. It gives me joy knowing that you will be dead before me.
@ Wildcard,
There's another exercise you can use to develop your TK abiliities; Take a needle and cover it with a fine layer of grease or butter, then place in dish of water. Focus your attention and will the needle to rotate in a certain direction.
I used to be quite interested in this stuff, but I could never get anything to work reliably (on demand). Maybe I didn't practice hard enough. :D
And don't cite the rules you whiny little b*tch. Rules don't apply to to f*cking Apes. Just because you have thumbs doesn't make you human.
"Hey Ken... You retarded F*ck. I know it doesn't exist. I wasn't talking to you. Quit being a F*cking idiot" AND "you whiny little b*tch. Rules don't apply to to f*cking Apes" AND "I have to be more clear as Ken is a retard" >>> Hmmm, will Davey-Jones get a warning in big black letters like I did? I have $50 that says no. Ken :pleasantry:
Well Ken, there is one thing in which we do agree.
>*>*>*>*@ MJP78 (I have to be more clear as Ken is a retard) <*<*<*<*<* ((You added this in BECAUSE no, you were NOT clear who you were replying to but nice try. Ken))
By the way, if you are soooooo certain that TK exists.
Warning or not I don't care. I know TK doesn't exsist.
@ Ken
You said it doesn't exsist. I agree.
@ Ken
Now, that being said. Why would you think that I was talking to you when I started discussing the thread? It's not even your thread?
@ Ken ------> Newsflash numbnuts... The entire world does not relvolve around you or your ego.
"You said it doesn't exsist. I agree" >>> Ok, we agree, so what? "The entire world does not relvolve around you or your ego" >>> And very FEW care that you even exist...sleep on that, better you than me. Ken
"Why would you think that I was talking to you" >>> YOU SAID: >> Well Ken, there is one thing in which we do agree. << and LATER added in: >> I have to be more clear as Ken is a retard << Why ADD that in if you felt you were CLEAR as to whom you were addressing the FIRST time?? Ken
Anyone who thinks they can do telekinesis needs to check themselves into an asylum. Precognition is also a crock of sh*t. This isn't really a roulette forum any more, it's more like a cyber-institution for the mentally imbalanced.
Obviously,
this thread is going nowhere, so after the following, i´ll just shut up:
QuoteCourage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. ~Winston Churchill
Quote"A good listener tries to understand what the other person is saying. In the end he may disagree sharply, but because he disagrees, he wants to know exactly what it is he is disagreeing with."
Kenneth A. Wells
Not enough "corageous" people around. Some people here keep on fighting
despite the fact that they agree on something. How odd !
Some don´t even READ what´s already posted. Some just completely discard concepts like Tk.
It´s a pitty. Not for me... for them.
Than you MJP78, Steve GW, Carlitos, mr.ore and my deepest respect for you, Tangram.
I wish everyone happy days and great profits. No exception ! Everyone.
Telekinesis is not within the realm of human ability. Not even the foremost experts in neuroscience know enough about the mind to be able to unlock its computing potential, and even if they could, telekinesis probably still wouldn't be possible.
Number Six, WHY wouldnt it be possible? Everything is energy. If you understand gravity's power is an illusion, you understand not a lot of energy is required to levitate something - just focused energy. First establish whether or not thought and emotion can influence an object - start with the rice experiment. The results are clear. Then again tell me what is or isnt possible.
Wildcard, dont be discouraged by the negative views.
QuoteAnyone who thinks they can do telekinesis needs to check themselves into an asylum. Precognition is also a crock of sh*t. This isn't really a roulette forum any more, it's more like a cyber-institution for the mentally imbalanced.
Number 6, as per a few others here, please do NOT ostracize people who want to research this kind of stuff. Do not tell them they belong in an asylum. You and everyone should know this. If you have something against the area of research, offer some constructive evidence to disprove it. If you cant, then dont attack people personally. If you can refrain then dont post in this section. If people vcant do this, I will have to start temporarily ban people so they know I'm serious - it is nothing personal. But people should be able to contribute without being attacked or made fun of.
For the record, I completely believe in this field. I dont care if you think I'm a crackpot. I have always said even beyond roulette computers precognition has far more potential. If you dont believe it is real, you need to do some research rather than believe your tv.
Paranormal abilities like telekinesis and precognition cannot yet be executed by human beings. Though it's widely accepted that the brain had vast computing power, no one knows how to wake the dormant areas and unlock its full potential, therefore any sort of grandiose manipulation of energy, human cognitive processes and sensory systems is impossible. I'm sure there are people out there who know a lot about these topics, and are accepted as world authorities, and have maybe even achieved minor breakthroughs in experiments and studies, but it's unlikely that any of them frequent this roulette board, thus no one here is qualified, or credible enough, to offer their affirmative opinions. Claiming to have an "open mind" or simply "believing" doen't cut it as an argument. I think it's a pointless section and the subjects should be discussed elsewhere, like a parapsychology forum.
No problem, and thats your opinion. But dont ostracize people for believing in it an wanting to research.
there is no such thing as telekinesis and anyone who thinks so has seen "Ghost" too many times and hasn't seen Chris Angel enough, that guy can do anything in front of anyone but ofcourse it's all tricks, smoke and mirrors. but even if someone thinks it's possible to effect very slight movements in very light small objects, I don't think that would do much good against a heavy, fast moving roulette wheel with a ball flying around it. the idea of pre-cognition is interesting (but then too bad/how come the thousands of people who died in the World Trade Center couldn't pre-cog their deaths and stay out of the building?) anyway I think it would be good if these two subjects (tk and pre-cog) were split up because I don't know how many people are going to go for the telekinesis thing or think they can effect a roulette wheel and ball, but there have been many studies done on "remote viewing" and all this kind of thing, maybe we can develop our pre-cog skills if there is such a thing, it's probably the only way you'll beat roulette.
Okay... Let's assume for a minute that TK does exist. The primary question is how? What causes objects to move? Forces cause the objects to move. What kind of forces are there? Contact force and, action-at-a-distance force.
Contact Forces Action-at-a-Distance Forces
Frictional Force Gravitational Force
Tension Force Electrical Force
Normal Force Magnetic Force
Air Resistance Force
Applied Force
Spring Force
Considering it is TK we are dealing with then contact forces are ruled out. As far as I can see it, electrical forces is the only likely force behind TK as it can apply to all objects not just magnetic ones. Also because the brain uses electricity to funtion. Now if TK were possible, then how exactly could someone move an object without the electrical force/charge being felt or sense by another person or object?
I mean, using simple electricity to move an object would create a feild that is sensed by a persons nerves. Static electricity demonstrates this quite easily. You can move a very light object with Static Electricity but you can also sense the electric field very easily before the discharge of energy.
How could this work in a casino with a significant distance from the ball that is constantly moving closer and farther in each revolution and without affecting other objects, electronics, or people?
And another question would be if the brain is capable of emitting that kind of energy, then why don't people fry their own brains while they are significantly stressed? I mean, dreams are a freaking horror show unlike any other, yet we still wake up feeling emotionally shaken at the worst of times, and experiencing no physical pain unless we have physically harmed ourselves.
Sure anything is possible, but really... Is it?
Sure anything is possible. It's more a question of is it likely.
I believe Telekinesis is real, but it is extremely, extremely rare. There are documented studies with clearly positive results, in particular in russia. But i have not seen anything new for some time. I'm not talking about magicians and trickery - thats another ball game.
We know gravity works, but dont understand how or why. If we did, it would certainly help to unlock how it may be controlled, and how the energy from thought/emotion can move or influence objects. If you are after a practical way to establish whether or not thought can influence an object without physical contact, see my earlier thread on RF about the rice experiment. It is widely replicated - very widely replicated. But it is dismissed because people dont see any logic in it. But not being able to understand something doesnt mean it's not real.
I personally think precognition is better to focus on. This is the reason for nolinks.genuinewinner.com/precog.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/precog.html)
I sincerely believe it is absolutely real. i dont know how it works. for now it is educated guesses, like how we attempt to describe gravity. I have seen papers from studies in this field which have been relayed by colleagues. see if you can find information about the majority vote method - this is what has produced clearly positive results. I have already done this with over 200 people now and just need to tally the results. At this stage i have no idea how it went, but regardless it wont be the last trial.
People just don't know what they don't know... period
There was this guy, I forget his name, but he was talking about mustard seeds and faith and stuff. And there was all this talk about moving mountains and nothing is impossible... well that sounds like the holy friggin grail to me.
How to do telekinesis / psychokinesis tutorial guide (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=2QDCKUHYsN4#)
I especially like the part about ignoring negative comments and opinions.
Another great one!
Fork bends with mind power! Amazing!!! (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=RtITwC6HIWU&NR=1#)
I think it's a pointless section and the subjects should be discussed elsewhere>>>
There have been many instances of precognition, especially in war time. There are countless mothers who report knowing their son was dead, and a few hours later they find out it was true. I think its something worth investigating.
Are you a shill?
By the way... I'm pretty sure there are a lot more mothers who reported their son(s) to be dead only to be wrong. Worried mothers is hardly an arguement for precognition. I'm sure that just as many people who win jackpots knew they were going to win that night, just like those who lost it all "Really thought tonight was the night for me." Quit posting lame speculation as though it were fact. Real statistics make a difference, at least to those of us who aren't shills.
Are you a shill?>>>
Nope, today I'm an aged chedder. :dance1: :laugh:
Quote from: cheese on January 31, 2010, 04:27:24 AM
today I'm an aged chedder.
Well that's just GRATE!..... hehehe!
If someone doesnt believe in the potential of this kind of research, sure say what you think, but dont hang around ostracizing others that do believe in it and want to work on it. No opinions or research will be suppressed, and ostracizing of members or their beliefs will not be tolerated. Eventually all truth comes out one way or another, but it doesnt happen with a closed mind.
You know Steve, that comment is probably the most ignorant thing you have said so far. You are just as bad in assuming that none of the skeptics have even bothered looking into this for themselves. Why don't YOU stop ostracizing those who have in fact looked into this and found nothing significant that could apply to roulette.
The fact of the matter is this. The overwhelming majority of proof for TK is suspect. The overwhelming majority of TK videos and demos can be attributed to simple trickery. Is this to say TK doesn't exist? No, but there isn't much to say it does either. There are some that fall within the realm of unknown, but they are very few. Even those who say that they are able to use TK generally only move Psi Wheels, and still have difficultly doing it consistantly after many many months/years of training. How would one expect to control a roulette ball? Even if it could create an edge, it takes WAY less time to learn DS, VB or to collect data on defective wheels. All I am saying is the persuing of TK as a method to beat roulette will be a rather uphill battle that will likely yeild no consistant advantage.
All the real magic was used up just in the generation of our universe, from its nothingness to its every part... consider how strange and mystical that must have been.
It's like it's saying, "Wow, here i am, there i go... what now?"
Davey, I believe you really have very limited knowledge in this area and tend to base your knowledge on the TV. I have been researching this all my life, actively and beyond the TV. You have said what you believe, now let other people get on with their research. I have no intentions of arguing with you.
Everyone has a right to be a critic of whatever they want. Calling it "ostracizing" is sapless to say the least. Parapsychologies have never been proven to exist and probably never will be. That is a fact, which renders all research and experimentation so far redundant. So what do you expect to gain out of discussing "telekinesis" here? All it will do it bring the weirdos out of the shadows.
Quote from: Number Six on January 31, 2010, 08:21:04 PM
So what do you expect to gain out of discussing "telekinesis" here? All it will do it bring the weirdos out of the shadows.
Halo everybiddy...!!! :girl_wacko:
I hope I didn't brain my damage... :lol:
1. The research NOT so far redundant. To say this is simply lack of knowledge. There have been numerous clearly positive cases, albeit very rare. It appears humans do have the ability, but appears completely latent in the average person which is not to say it cannot become active. When you apply a force to an object, the force you apply is latent UNTIL it actually moves.
2. Being a critic alone is not ostracizing. It is fine for people to be skeptical and provide an opposing viewpoint, but even if you had an opposing viewpoint, nobody should ever completely rule something out - if everyone did that, barely anything new would be learned or discovered. You'd know how I am about RNG spins, but I still encourage the research. I only speak up about it when someone posts the weekly holy grail which does exactly the same thing as last weeks holy grail, without them even knowing how it is identical.
3. The Earth was never proven to be round.. not for a long time.
4. What do we expect by discussing it here? Progress, no matter how small. Calling such researchers "weirdos" is not exactly productive. Tell me what is more "weird".. 1 + 1 = 243, or energy interacting with energy?
Exactly how the hell do you know what my abilities or knowledge is Steve? There you go again, with your ridiculous assumptions. You say you have no intentions of debating with me, yet you just did. First of all... We all know that TV is the least credible source for information in today's day and age, so thanks for assuming I didn't know that.
And again... What the HELL does TK have to do with beating roulette? Facts would be nice, and please spare me the links to your site.
Quote from: Steve GW
To say this is simply lack of knowledge.
This is a nonsense statement that you overuse when faced with an argument you can't win. Telekinesis is an accepted pseudoscience, meaning it cannot be supported by anything credible. The research done thus far is irrelevant to everyone except those who experience an irrational desire to believe in it, probably because they themselves think they are more special than anyone else or are meant for "greater things". It is scientific twaddle and I don't think anyone anywhere has the resources to prove otherwise. Even gains in experiments have been rubbished by the mainstream scientific community since the results tend to be embellished by researchers whose stance is slanted.
I have seen enough to know it is real. I dont care if you dont believe it. I believe if you had more information, your opinions would be very different. I have no intentions of arguing with either of you. Respect my position. I respect yours and am not arguing with you.
**It is scientific twaddle**
I once saw an over-ripe wheel of camembert levitating all on its own, just floating in the air. It was a religious experience. ;)
Sure there are frauds. Sure there are deluded people. But we're not talking about that.
The Earth being round was once considered scientific twaddle too. Oh but this was different, right?
The Earth being round was once considered scientific twaddle***
The moon was thought to be made of green cheese at one time. Wouldn't that be wonderful? :wub:
I hate to stoop to this, but if you have seen such overwhelming proof of TK's existence then why exactly is JREF's Million dollars still unclaimed? Surely you have a much clearer picture of things than any of the rest of us, so why not make a millions bucks at the same time?
There is no credible evidence to support telekinesis. The written results of experimentation are often doctored favourably by those who conduct them. "Live" demonstrations can easily be faked. The notion of telekinesis is really no different from the notion of fairies living behind the shed at the bottom of your garden.
Quote from: Steve GWWhen you apply a force to an object, the force you apply is latent UNTIL it actually moves.
This doesn't really say anything. A force only becomes evident when you can see its results - the
effect of the force
is the force. It's meaningless to talk about a "latent" force. I may as well claim to be a "latent" billionaire (the cheque is in the mail ) and a latent genius (my cure for cancer will be published any day now). There's also an invisible Leprechaun living in my fridge - just prove that there isn't!
TK move object or not, it is changce of a million.
But with today scientist, electromagnet and mini robot can do this job well.
What is mini robot? that is nano technology thing.
put 9 nano robot in pocket, become goal keeper, and bet the rest of 25 number, win 7 unit every time.
there is many distance control technology now aday.
Ask the roulette machine maker. .
too sensitive to tell all. :buba:
Quote from: Tangram on February 01, 2010, 05:37:24 PMA force only becomes evident when you can see its results - the effect of the force is the force.
The most-productive way to look at "force" in a general way ("for the masses", lol), is to define it as the deformation, whichever, which is taking place. The rigid notion of "equal and opposite" has its problems "down the line", and perhaps even here if that's the reason for trying to bring "latency" into this.
Much as the word 'instantaneous' is no longer (strictly) used to mean (also) 'now'; and everyone now admits that NO ONE has any idea what 'energy' (or 'mass') looks like, etc, other than to say it follows ever-changing mathematical expressions... the "latency effects" once [sought/thought to exist] at either end of the epistemological spectrum, eg the thinking that the gravitational force is (even) instantaneous, have been on the way out for some time.
I have personally never had any experience that supports TK. However, that does not believe I dont believe it can and does exist. If you read through the archives and do research, there have been studies where TK was demonstrated in russia. Sure you may question the testers, or you can believe them. It was some time ago and the "talented" individuals are long dead.
Nevertheless, overall I feel should it be a real ability, I believe it would be very hard to develop, and that precognition would be a better direction. I believe precognition would be much easier to develop to a sufficient level.
Anyway that's all I have to say on the matter. I dont have a real interest in TK. When it comes to this area, my focus is more on precognition. Having said that, I've now tallied the results of my own experiment with over 200 participants, which are clearly positive. Statistically relevant is another case, but still positive.
Quote from: Steve GW on February 01, 2010, 08:16:28 PM
Statistically relevant is another case, but still positive.
Why don't you just say a random fluctuation then?
When there is not enough data, it could be random fluctuation. When I announced the testing, I clearly said regardless of the result, it would not be statistically significant. Regardless, the results are positive. So now, all I can do is continue testing, more and more testing - until there IS statistically significant data so I can determine from personal experience what the truth most likely is. Wouldnt you agree?
PS - When i have time I'll scan and publish test results from another group of investigators - regarding the "majority vote" precognition method.
Quote from: Steve GW on February 01, 2010, 09:38:27 PM
When there is not enough data, it could be random fluctuation.
Winning by Steve's (or Ellis') system may also be because of "fluctuation"... statistically, every 20th person who tries it will win a lot of money for quite some time, but still eventually lose it back (plus much more), while Steve has "made off with his cut" w/o any of the real risks. Eg, getting caught with one here will result in a permanent criminal record... meaning for one thing, no travel from Canada to the U.S. , ever.
What do those modified calculators cost to manufacture and ship, Steve? (We can get'em in the dollar-stores here, and modify'em to suit whichever purpose.)
Ganaby, this stuff is not even relevant to the thread. Anyway, if you really think winning with my computers could be due to random fluctuation, THEN YOU HAVENT SEEN THEM. If you had, then you would know how clear the edge is. You only need to look at something simple like the timing of the beep when the ball is predicted to hit a specific diamond to know where the edge comes from. To say I just profit from random fluctuation is ridiculous. If you find it difficult to understand that I am actually for real, well ok then.
Something you should be aware of Ganaby: think about random fluctuation for a second. Say I send 100 players a computer each. Some will win due to random fluctuation. Some will break even. Some will lose. What is the OVERALL result? Think about it and the house edge, and consider in many cases I even help players out with bankroll, provided they have tested the computer on their wheels first.
Should anyone think me giving away free computers is a scam, not a problem - plenty of serious players with balls around who understand there is no risk on their part. Application is legal, and they can test the computers all they like on dvds and in their casino with smallest bets possible to CLEARLY SEE what the computers can do, before they bet any significant money.
For partners, I send them roughly US$1500 of equipment which includes modified phones, earpieces, induction loops, cables and practice dvds. The phones are the expensive parts as they need to be modified in many ways, including firmware installation which I cant do myself as it needs specialized equipment and expertise. Some parts of the software will run on regular phones but with bugs and very poor accuracy. Other parts of the software are made only for a specific phone and they work in sync with other parts. We are not using standard phones.
As for legalities, dont make assumptions. All my players only ever play where it is legal. No laws are ever broken. Please dont argue legalities with me. Every partner, as a condition of being a partner, submits written advice from a solicitor for their target jurisdiction, and I contact the solicitor to verify the advice. If it's not legal, we dont play there - simple.
Quote from: Steve GW on February 02, 2010, 06:50:38 PM
Ganaby, this stuff is not even relevant to the thread. Anyway, if you really think winning with my computers could be due to random fluctuation, THEN YOU HAVENT SEEN THEM. If you had, then you would know how clear the edge is. You only need to look at something simple like the timing of the beep when the ball is predicted to hit a specific diamond to know where the edge comes from. To say I just profit from random fluctuation is ridiculous. If you find it difficult to understand that I am actually for real, well ok then.
Something you should be aware of Ganaby: think about random fluctuation for a second. Say I send 100 players a computer each. Some will win due to random fluctuation. Some will break even. Some will lose. What is the OVERALL result? Think about it and the house edge, and consider in many cases I even help players out with bankroll, provided they have tested the computer on their wheels first.
Should anyone think me giving away free computers is a scam, not a problem - plenty of serious players with balls around who understand there is no risk on their part. Application is legal, and they can test the computers all they like on dvds and in their casino with smallest bets possible to CLEARLY SEE what the computers can do, before they bet any significant money.
For partners, I send them roughly US$1500 of equipment which includes modified phones, earpieces, induction loops, cables and practice dvds. The phones are the expensive parts as they need to be modified in many ways, including firmware installation which I cant do myself as it needs specialized equipment and expertise. Some parts of the software will run on regular phones but with bugs and very poor accuracy. Other parts of the software are made only for a specific phone and they work in sync with other parts. We are not using standard phones.
As for legalities, dont make assumptions. All my players only ever play where it is legal. No laws are ever broken. Please dont argue legalities with me. Every partner, as a condition of being a partner, submits written advice from a solicitor for their target jurisdiction, and I contact the solicitor to verify the advice. If it's not legal, we dont play there - simple.
Thanks Steve.
In western cultures we are so easily fooled by instant solutions... to truly achieve telekinesis one must meditate and dedicate a large portion of their life (and life style) to the cause.
So many would say that they have "tried" it and it doesn't work...(not directed at anyone in particular). The problem is that most people have this contradiction; "If I can't see it then its not real" kind of attitude... its a very poor stance.
I ask these people "Have you personally seen Russia?" Most of the time they will say no, they have never been to Russia, then I will claim it doesn't exist.... they would generally think that I am crazy, yes this is part of the game I play... I explain to them that I have never seen Russia so there for it surely can't exist... at this point they catch on that I am making fun of them for their belief structure.
Quote from: Poit on February 06, 2010, 11:20:08 AM
In western cultures we are so easily fooled by instant solutions... .
Perhaps, but there at least must be some sort of noticeable and immediate improvement/betterment from any such practice.
And of course the "instant solutions" may be the best, when and where those are possible/available. Eg, leaving the "thrift store" with a couple-of-years-old $3 cell-phone (with good battery); and downloading the software, etc, to program it, yourself.
I understand your point.. but we in the west already have a major disadvantage when it comes to being spiritual. That is, our life style, the food we eat (fluoride in the water) causes blockages in the pineal gland (said to be the gateway to the spiritual world), MSG in the food, coffee, nicotine, the list goes on.
In Buddhism "The body is the temple" .... we (generally) treat our bodies like crap and then expect to be able to move stuff with our minds after 2 weeks training? lol
i don't think so...
The relationship between our minds and the physical world are pretty far apart.
Imagine a piece of computer software being able to move something on your desk. An analogy it is, yes.. but its to get you thinking.
The body is more or less the computer hardware, and your mind is the software to drive the hardware. The evidence that the mind can control physical objects is already apparent (my fingers typing on this keyboard), the trick is to extend that "skill" forward and outwards beyond my own body.
For the record, I have achieved a level of telekinesis many years ago when I was experimenting with etherium white gold (google it)... taking that stuff really is the instant solution haha... but its not with out consequences... im not going to go into them now heh,..
Any ways.. to all those trying telekinesis, good luck...
Poit
I can't comment further on which i know next to nothing about... as you've already ascertained.
What gets me (, around these sites, of course,) are they who talk about all their winnings, car-pictures, etc? When i ask for the slightest bit of real proof/argument/evidence, guess what... nothing, no real degrees, no money... nothing.
poit and others - you are very vrong with your attitude no people have ordinare the same feeling and viev thats mean what you can see the others maybe not but what you cant see the others maybe yes and that is stone of pain. YOU are all think that when you see it somethink blue then other people must seen it as well but what it is person color blind ??? he will see just white and black did you ever thought that ??? i know you not becouse other way you never say think what you said here. it is the same with knowlege you can find a part of that and maybe another part of that someone tell you but if you cant put together becouse of bad circumstances and many mystakes you have just two choice ASK FOR HELP OR FUCK IT AND actule you never get rid of that becouse you dont have help and others are dont listenning becouse they are stupid enough think that they know what to have know but true is absolutly diferent hmmmm yaah
Quote from: Bo0Merang on February 06, 2010, 11:45:02 PM
poit and others - you are very vrong with your attitude no people have ordinare the same feeling and viev thats mean what you can see the others maybe not but what you cant see the others maybe yes and that is stone of pain. YOU are all think that when you see it somethink blue then other people must seen it as well but what it is person color blind ??? he will see just white and black did you ever thought that ??? I know you not becouse other way you never say think what you said here. it is the same with knowlege you can find a part of that and maybe another part of that someone tell you but if you cant put together becouse of bad circumstances and many mystakes you have just two choice ASK FOR HELP OR f**k IT AND actule you never get rid of that becouse you dont have help and others are dont listenning becouse they are stupid enough think that they know what to have know but true is absolutly diferent hmmmm yaah
With all due respect, I didn't understand a single thing of what you have said. I have written AI bots that make more sense than that.
Bo0Merang, me too - with all due respect, I'm not sure if you're talking about the NASDAQ or fishing. May I suggest try making short direct points.
A quick test..
All those gamblers who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand.
;D
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Quote from: No More Bets on February 09, 2010, 06:46:26 PM
A quick test..
All those gamblers who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand.
;D
Not only will I raise your hand... I'll go ALL IN! :nyam: