Hello Guys! I will here present a Strategy with 14 numbers that me and the great LeBear created.
Jbaztan made 600 units with this in Real Mode! I havent been able to play it in Real Mode because the limit BR would be at least 150 units which is not much in all but a little too high for me personally at the moment.
Anyway, Here it is:
If you observe any Permanence these groups of numbers VERY often comes together and follow each other like shadows:
(3,13,23,33, 5,15,25,35, 7,17,27, 10,20,30 <--together in bundles) (4,14,24,34, 6,16,26,36, 8,18,28<--together in bundles)
(9,19,29,6,16,26,36<---together in bundles) (1,11,21,31,2,12,22,32 9,19,29[<--together in bundles)
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The First group: Cadences 0.3.5.7 comes each 3-7 spin in average. TheSecond group: Cadences 4,6,8 comes each 6-10 spin in average. The Third Group: Cadences 9,6 comes each 8-12 spin in average. The Fourth Group: Cadences 1,2,9 comes each 6-10 spin in average.
Since the First Group hits most frequent I play this group with 14 chips.
Main Rules are: When no presence of this Group in 4 spins, I start bet these numbers for 3 spins with a shallow progression
1,1,2 If no hit in 3 spins, I wait for another sequence of absence OR a TREND of these numbers.
A Trend can be recoginzed when this Group has hit 4 times in a row. Then I bet it with the same progression if necessary.
A Trend can also be recognized if you see the presence of Groups One every second or third number in 10 spins. Then I bet it continously. This is a little bit risky but can be profitable.
There is also an event called the "TrendBreaker" connected to this.
When for instance the First Group has appeared for 5 or more spins and is disrupted by a number from another Group, I bet the First Group again for One spin. It almost always return for One spin after the occurance of the TrendBreaker.
EXAMPLES:
A TREND:
30
3
33
20
7 W
35 W
3 W
A TREND-BREAKER:
30
3
33
20
7 W
35 W
3 W
11 <--Break of the Trend
25 W
ABSENCE OF FOUR SPINS:
35
11
31
22
14
18 <--Bet starts Here
21
7 W
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Ok, thats it for now. feel free to throw inputs or anything.
Cheers
/Compa
Think I'd rather pick numbers out of a hat.
I've got a mighty fine hat, but I think I'll study this system a bit. I've always maintained certain numbers "inspired" other numbers to hit, so this is right down my alley.
Compa,
Are you talking real spins or RNG where this fellow won his $600?
Thanks to Compa and LeBear for their work.
TwoCat
Compa
"(3,13,23,33, 5,15,25,35, 7,17,27, 10,20,30 <--together in bundles) (4,14,24,34, 6,16,26,36, 8,18,28<--together in bundles)
(9,19,29,6,16,26,36<---together in bundles) (1,11,21,31,2,12,22,32 9,19,29[<--together in bundles)"
Is there any reason these numbers were posted in different colors?
Sam
i do something similar to this.
i watch 36 spins or so. i get 10-14 sleepers (sometimes more sometimes less).
i then wait for them not to appear in 3 or 4 spins. i then tend to play them.
logic is that 12 numbers that are sleeping cannot sleep forever since after 40 you have an average number and after 50 you have an average number etc.
i tend to flat bet. if they hit straight away, i'll stop. if they go a further 3 spins and no hit, then you have 7 and i may increase bet. if they hit after 7 or more - i'll probably carry on since if they are overdue - you get a hit often followed by another one.
once 4 or more have livened up, i'll then gauge how things are playing. so after 36 spins, if 12 sleeper, no hit for 2, a hit which we dont bet on and then sleep for 4 - we play and then 3 hits in a row, i figure that we are down to 8 sleeper and just 40's spins - so could be dodgy. sometimes when this happens - after 4 or so spins i might just play the 4 that have hit since it is rare to get 12 sleepers all wake with hitting just once. normally from the 12 you get some that will not hit for many spins, some that will hit just once and some that will hit multiple times.
key is that after 60 spins you dont get 12 sleepers too often. and to get 12 sleepers after 36, the odds of those 12 sleeping another 24 is possible but not something i have seen happen. i think you get my drift.
to me - this is as logical as playing numbers because they end in same number. i guess its what works for each of us
Yes. that's good.. you continue pick numbers out of your Old Chimney Hat..lololol. Keep on struggling with your strats BJB you're too OLD to change your way of seeing things go and hide in Diarmaids Hidden section... bye.. Please post a real question and I will be glad to help. And to you Sam, the reason why I coloured the numbers is because when I see numbers they come to me in these particular coliurs. I dont know why but I know that I have a photographical numbermemory and dont need a phonebook for example. Thanks
/Compa
Did you not think my question was real?
I see you're on line; I'll post another.
/Compa
Anytime you do something out of the ordinary, such as post numbers in different colors, someone must ask why. I would love to study this system and I have questions. I just ask them one at a time.
Here's one now: What do you mean by "cadence"? That is a military term to me, as in counting cadence when men march. How do you mean it? Why does the first group have a cadence of 0 3 5 7?
Sam
Well, balls, he's gone! Anyone understand "cadence"?
Hi Sam
Cadence is the numbers that end in one particular number. They are marching shall we say to the same beat or cadence. As an example all the numbers that end in 3. 3 13 23 33. This would be a 3 cadence. Lets use 4 this cadence would be 4 14 24 34. All are the same, you use the last didgit and that is the particular cadence. I hope this helps mate. One more example would be the 0 or 00 which would be 0 00 10 20 30 or 0 10 20 30.
best regards
LeBear
Good man, LeBear!!
Now I see; the color is the cadence!!
Thanks!
Sam
Hi Sam,
Lanky just told me about your post sorry I missed it earlier or would have replied to it much sooner. If you have any questions I will do my best to help you out.
best regards
LeBear
Something I just found very interesting:
Take the first cadence: 3,13,23,33, 5,15,25,35, 7,17,27, 10,20,30 If you go for the root number here's what shakes out. 3 then 13 which is 4, then 23 which is 5, 33 which is 6 and so on. This holds true for every number they have listed.
Spooky!!
Sam
Hi Compa
Mate I think there is a contradiction here with what you say.
0 3 5 7= 14 numbers that hit every 3 to 7 spins
4 6 8=11 numbers that hit every 6 to 10 spins
1 2 9=11 numbers that hit every 6 to 10 spins
9 6=7 numbers that hit every 8 to 12 spins.
Ok now this is where I think there is a contradiction.
Why have 9 6 cadence as a stand alone group. ???
When 9 is already in the 1 2 9 group
And
6 is in the 4 6 8 group.
That way there would be only 3 groups & not 4.
Further to that you say
4 6 8 hits every 6 to 10 spins
and
129 hits every 6 to 10 spins
By that reckoning then the 9 & 6 as a stand alone Group would have to hit on the 11th & 12th spin ???
Now if this is correct then I will be rich in no time & will fly your arse to Sydney just for Coffee.
Lmao
Your Friend
Lanky
So does this mean that numbers have memories?
Can't think of any other explanation for these
bizarre theories.
Yeah they have bjb ;).
Numbers are alive
Hi bjb007
If you re-read the top of compa's original post it says in capital letters. VERY often comes together. Maybe he should have put the word caveat in there. Here is a thought bjb, try it for say a few thousand spins at Spielbank. Then re-read Sams post above. No it is not the HG by any means, but it does look at the numbers in a different light.
As for numbers having memories, I don't know I've never asked one myself. ;D
best regards,
LeBear
Yes, in a few thousand spins there's no telling
what you'll find. But as we're talking random
here what happened in a few thousand spins,
no matter where from, is irrelevant.
The possible combinations from a number of
spins is 37x36x35x34.......x1 so what are
the chances of a particular combination of
14 numbers appearing again?
Is there a mathematician in the house?
Well, I tried asking a number if it had a memory.
Conversation went something like this...
Me: Hello Sixteen. Haven't seen you around here for a while
16: I've been sleeping. Had a hard day yesterday. That
effing ball kept hitting me. Had quite a headache so
skived off for a while.
Me: That wasn't a nice thing to do. Think of all the punters
putting money on you.
16: Sod the punters. How'd you like to be hit by that effing
ball all day, every day, 24/7, year in, year out. You'd
be pissed off too.
Me: Well, you could wear a helmet.
16: Don't think the boss would like that.
Me: Haven't seen 37 for a long time.
16: Don't think there's a 37 on this wheel.
Me: Bugger. I was doing 1,000,000 spins hoping
that my birthday would come up.
16: Should've been born in 36.
Me: Then I'd be a year older.
16: You're impossible to please. Oh shit!
Me: What's wrong?
16: That effing ball again.
I could see that this conversation was getting
me no-where so I took an asprin and had a nice
lie down.
OK, that was a good laugh.........
being serious again -
the key to this is to look for times when groups of numbers are landing together.
fact : there are times when all numbers that end in a 0 or that end in a 1 will land together.
i have often heard people comment that 23 brings 32 and 32 brings 23. Well - guess what - i do see this quite a bit. but i also see 23 bringing 9 and 0 and 27. However i tend not to notice these since they dont look the same and im not looking for combinations.
however we get to the bet selection - we are all looking for a link between a set of numbers that will hit more than expected for a short duration. whether this is a root group, sleepers or hot numbers they are all variations on the same theme.
we are looking for a bunch of numbers linked in some way. we then play because they are either hot or they are overdue.
some prefer to use maths as their selection and will pick overdue sectors or numbers. some will use visual aids - such as root groups or numbers ending in 5 etc.
irrespective of the above, numbers have no memories and numbers do not bring other numbers.
there are simply groups of numbers that can be underhit or there are numbers that are currently hitting a lot.
most humans dont have memories so how on earth a number can have one is anybodys guess.......
Quote from: Lanky on July 09, 2008, 08:19:31 PM
Hi Compa
Mate I think there is a contradiction here with what you say.
0 3 5 7= 14 numbers that hit every 3 to 7 spins
4 6 8=11 numbers that hit every 6 to 10 spins
1 2 9=11 numbers that hit every 6 to 10 spins
9 6=7 numbers that hit every 8 to 12 spins.
Ok now this is where I think there is a contradiction.
Why have 9 6 cadence as a stand alone group. ???
When 9 is already in the 1 2 9 group
And
6 is in the 4 6 8 group.
That way there would be only 3 groups & not 4.
Further to that you say
4 6 8 hits every 6 to 10 spins
and
129 hits every 6 to 10 spins
By that reckoning then the 9 & 6 as a stand alone Group would have to hit on the 11th & 12th spin ???
Now if this is correct then I will be rich in no time & will fly your arse to Sydney just for Coffee.
Lmao
Your Friend
Lanky
Hello Mate. Now, i forgot to tell you all that i only play the cadences 0,7,3,5. The other groups is just for illustration of the scenario. I use them only as landmarks.
Thanks
/Compa
Compa
Thanks for the reply Mate.
That cleared a few things up Cobber.
Good On Ya Mate
Lanky
As the house mathematician seems to be
sleeping just thought you'd like to know
that the number of possible combinations
of 14 numbers from 37 is.....
6,107,086,800
Don't believe me? Go here
nolinks://nolinks.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html (nolinks://nolinks.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html)
put 37 and 14 in the boxes and set the other two choices to "No".
I rest my case.
My final response to BJB007,
Here at VLS we pride ourselves in the fact we are a family. That is what seperates us from GG RF and all the other forums combined. What has happened here in this thread is 2 family memebers are at odds with each other Compa, and BJB. The part that is disturbing is that this riff has carried over from another thread and from another fourmn. We don't operate like that here on VLS. As a Global Moderator we have to take a middle ground and be as it were peace makers in times of turmoil.
Opinions are like backsides everyone has a different one, and everyone on this forumn is entitled to there opinion as long as it is in good faith, with no undertone of another agenda or vendetta. The past is the past men and both you BJB and Compa have got to put the past behind you. The past is the past, both of you need to let it go.
If the negative undertones continue I will pull this thread and then that will be the end of it. So with that said, lets move forward in a positive direction and all work at becoming better roulette players. Everyone dreams of the HG and if it possible to accomplish. I for one do not know that answer, but will continue trying to solve this great enigma!
best regards,
LeBear
Here's some Lucky Shots I just made at these Lucky 14 numbers.
The 1,2,5 spins etc, indicates the amount of hits of the "unplayable" numbers before one of the 14 lucky numbers wins.
And I managed to catch them all. Geez was I lucky..
30
24 <--1 spin
18 <--2 spins
20 W
13 W
12 <--1 spin
1
36
36
21 <--5 spins
3 W
0 <- 1 spin
27 W
21 <--1 spin
28
19 <--3 spin
10 W
19 <--1 spin
20 W
17 W
18 <--1 spin
10 W
6 <--1 spin
29
11
22 <--4 spins
10 W
-------STOP +144 units
Nice compa.
Keep it up.
Cheers LS
Thanks Pal;)
Cheers
/Compa
/Compa; LeBear
I very much want to learn what you are doing here, but---as usual--I'm confused
I can't see where you're waiting for the "miss 4" or "4 in a row" so are you betting because of "4 in the last ten spread out"?
How does the +144 figure in?
TwoCat
I agree. Compa, Where is your betting methodology? You go 2 spins, 1 spin, 5 spins?????? You're just indicating win here, win there etc. When do you start and when do you stop? Are playing these numbers continuously? And if so, what is your rational? I don't get it.
30
24 <--1 spin
18 <--2 spins
20 W
13 W.....................why don't you continue?
12 <--1 spin
1
36
36
21 <--5 spins
3 W...............................why didn't you continue?
0 <- 1 spin
27 W
21 <--1 spin
28
19 <--3 spin
10 W..........................Are you continuing or stopping?
19 <--1 spin
20 W
17 W
18 <--1 spin...is this a loss?
10 W
6 <--1 spin.........are these losses 6,29,11? or are you waiting?
29
11
22 <--4 spins
10 W
cd
I think periodic events is the key to make it work.
Cheers LS
Hello Guys. I will try to explain this thingy. First of all I want you to read the original post if you havent already done so.
This strategy is based on playing only the cadences 0,7,3,5. The other numbers fills in between. I never play them in this context. They are only reference numbers for the cadences that I play. So that I know "when" to bet. Now, based on observations "my" Cadences comes VERY OFTEN within in a Timeframe of 3-7 spins. That doesnt mean the pattern can go completely eratic. I 've also seen 0,7,3,5 sleep for 11 spins, but never more than that. And very seldom. Compared with the other Cadences which might sleep for 6-10 spins occationally.
WHY do I picked these Cadences? Because according to MY opinion and observations for like 2 months, 4-6 hrs a day, they tend to show more often together than the other ones. Play it or not. I just lay out my idea.
Now, the "Demo" attached earlier demonstrates a very common pattern-developement in the Permanence like at DublinBet.
But first I will explain some different behaviour of the cadences that I play.
1. It will very often go like this:
30 <-cadence 0
14
12
34
7 <-cadence 7
13 <-cadence 3
21
6
29
5 <-cadence 5
--------------------I got 4 hits in 10 spins but I didnt play because My main-rule is wait 4 spins, which I can break though depending of the situation. Bet 3 spins with 112 prog
2. It might as well go like this:
31
11
23 <-cadence 3
12
4
8
9
34 L
16 L
19 L
----------- It hits on 3rd spin which is too early so I wait for 4 spins and lose anyway. So I retrack and wait for another opportunity.
3. And it goes like this:
25 <-cadence 5
17 <-cadence 7
13 <-cadence 3
12
21
22
11 <--i bet here
15 W<-------------I won on the absence of 4 spins. I can choose to rebet or pass. Depending of BR.
4. And like this:
15
3
27
10
35 <----------------Here's a nice flow so I go for it..
20 W
23 W
19 L <-------------Here's a TrendBreaker. Very often my cadences return, just like when betting RB. So I rebet.
17 W<-------------I stop Here and observe.
Here's a 5:th scenario:
12
13 cad 3
24
10 cad 0
11
30 cad 3
25 cad 5
13 cad 3
19 cad 9
31 --------------Here is messy but frequent zigzag pattern for 10 spins which I might very well would jump on
And to my latest Posted Example:
30
24 <--1 spin
18 <--2 spins <----------------i bet here already cause of 30 and a trend of win numbers prior to the 30.
20 W
13 W
12 <--1 spin
1
36
36 .
21 <--5 spins <-----------------i bet after 5 spins
3 W
0 <- 1 spin <----------------i bet after 1 spin because of frequency of win numbers
27 W
21 <--1 spin
28
19 <--3 spin <---------------i bet after 3 spins
10 W
19 <--1 spin <---------------i bet after 1 spin
20 W
17 W
18 <--1 spin <---------------i bet after 1 spin
10 W
6 <--1 spin
29
11
22 <--4 spins <--------------i bet after 4 spins this time because I expect a break of the frequency of win numbers
10 W
-------STOP +144 units
I ALSO STOP IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF OBSERVATIONS AND CONSERVING BR.
It might seem inconsequent but its about getting the feel of whats going to come. This is possible with observation and practice. I was also a little lucky this time. I might as well been on my ass...lol
Cheers
/Compa
/Compa
Thanks for the time it took to write that! I will print it like I did post one and study them both.
Sam
Its my pleasure. I wish you all good wins. And i hope it comes in handy
Cheers
/Compa
Compa and LeBear - Well done and congratulations on such a great system. More importantly thank you so much for sharing. I do find the mechanics however of when to bet a little difficult to follow and have come up with an alternative - commence betting only on the cadence of 0,3,5and 7 (the cadence) for a maximum total of three spins when and only when:-
1. The cadence has appeared in two (2) out of three (3) spins.
2. The first appearance of the cadence must have been preceded by two (2) numbers not included in the
cadence
Betting Strategy:
(a) The attack lasts for a maximum of 3 spins and ceases immediately a strike is made.
(b) The following progression is used for each spin until a hit, namely 5, then 8, then 13
(c) when a strike is made we wait for a completely new sequence of numbers before starting again.
In the following example the = sign illustrates the qualifying cadences and the W naturally denotes a win.
16
10
30
23=
20=
1
13W
31
21
2
15=
5=
36
35W
19
1
6
28
29
25
6
36
29
5=
27=
8
32
23W
36
25
24
31
36
31
23=
33=
28
22
15W
27
8
6
29
5=
20
13=
5W
30
3
9
34
17=
13=
20W
On a loss just start again using the same progression.
Results thus far are encouraging. The system is relatively quick and easy and promises substantial returns in very few spins.
Any thoughts on how it can be improved? I would also appreciate comments if any one tests this further.
Hi 17
Thanks for your post. This is why the fourm was designed, so that people could exchange ideas and improve on things that are posted by other people. This is exactly what it is all about. You have taken a basic idea and made it work for you in a fashion that you understand, and can implement for you own circumstances. I look forward to seeing your future posts. Thanks again for your input.
best regards,
LeBear
HEy 17! Great input buddy. Appreciate it. I will check it out asap! ;D
Cheers
/Compa
Geez, why is it always me who asks these questions.............
Black17
Thanks for your input. I have looked at your example for a long time and I don't understand. Let me quote:
"1. The cadence has appeared in two (2) out of three (3) spins.
2. The first appearance of the cadence must have been preceded by two (2) numbers not included in the
cadence"
And now your example:
"16
10
30
23=
20="
Look at 10 and 30. They are in the cadence, are they not? 16 is not and we don't know what came before; maybe a cadence, maybe not. But how could you use 23 and 20 as qualifying cadences when they are preceded by two cadences themselves? Your rules are two cadences out of the last three spins with two non-cadences preceding them, is that not correct?
I am probably reading it wrong, but I swear I don't see how!
I am not gunning for you; I am only trying to figure it out. Thanks for your idea on the system.
TwoCat
EDIT: Every other example follows your instructions.
good point sam. I was wondering that myself. and what about this example he shows?
5=
20
13=
5W
30
3
9
34
17=
13=
20W
After the win on #5, we have 30 & 3. why did betting not start again? you would have lost on 9,34 but hit on 17, and now you hvae 2 more cadences 13 & 20. Am I missing something?
cd
Hey, Mr. Dog from Buffalo...........
Good to see you again.
Well as I understand it, your two out of three must be preceded by two non-cadence numbers in a row.
Sam from Podunk
Hi Guys
Ran through a 1000 spin test on numbers I have collected in sessions at Crown casino in Melbourne. I started with a theoretical bank of $3000.00. The betting sequence was $25, $40, & $65. In the first 150 spins all went well with the bank almost doubling. A rocky road was then encountered with a loss sequence of three in a row which depleted the bank somewhat. at about the 200 spin mark the bank was at -$1000.00. Now the good news. From that point forward the bank blossomed growing to $16,500 by the 1100th spin. I encountered a few double losses along the way but once the bank was rock solid it seemed to make only a small dent. Each loss equates to $1820 at the level of betting that I was notionally at which made the idea of introducing another level of betting for loss recovery too spookie to contemplate. Guys I think we are on too something because no system deployed thus far by me has managed to crack the Crown numbers. The only fear is striking a triple or double loss early on, but then again all progressions have an Achilees heel. I would venture to say that this system would have even produced a flat stakes profit which is quite incredible. I look forward to hearing from you again
Cheers to all
Hi Sam & Clothdog
Sam you are right the first selection was wrong for non compliance with rule 2 - I can only attribute this mistake to "number fatigue".
Clothdog the attack ceases on a win. Then we have to wait for a new cadence (two out of three) which is preceeded by two numbers not included in the cadence to start again. In your query the numbers which follow are from the same cadence following a win. I hope this clarifies the point.
Regards
to all
Very nice 1st input 17Black ;)
Welcome to the forum, I'm sure you will be a valued member 8)
Ah, yes, number fatigue!! Suffered from it myself many times!!
Good on you, (as Lanky says) Black17.
What the hell did I live for before roulette??? Oh, yeah, I was a world famous Karaoke singer.
Sam
LOOL!!
Me and LeBear says Hi and are trmendously happy we produced a System that works great even with a Tweak!
Next upcoming Event will be the 6 chips Mirror Number Bet!!
Cheers
/Compa
Nice 1 Compa ;D
Been trying to work a mirror system myself 8)
Hope you have faired better.... ::)
...... Hi Compa and LeBear,
Why not follow the cadences as the come out on the spin results? I have been looking at them on the permanenzen, it seems to be that one always appears that has an very long string......
Carlitos 8)
Hi Carlitos! No, mate i dont think so:D
Then you would have to pick groups as we did. Not numbers. And that means that these other groups are not as frequent and predicitable as the one we picked!
Cheers
/Compa
Greetings to all
I have been working on a variation on what has been presented thus far, which has produced some spectacular results in testing. it has all the right hallmarks - bets are quick to qualify, there is action a plenty and profits appear to accumulate quicker than losses.
The Cadences
We are only interested in two groups
Group 1: 0, 3, 5, & 7
Group 2: 1, 2, 6, & 9
The Progression
1,1, & 2
The Strategy
We are seeking to exploit the cadences by backing them as they appear. Betting commences the moment a number from one of our group of cadences appears. If we arrive at a table and see for example that the number zero has appeared we immediately bet the 14 numbers derived from group 1 for a maximum of 3 spins using the progression mentioned. Subject to the rules of abandonment we continue backing the chosen cadence until we lose the progression ie until we lose three spins in a row. If we win during the progression we recommence betting with one unit again using the same progression on the cadence which has just won. The game is a virtual continuous cycle. The one and only exception to this rule is the rule of abandonment
Abandonment
We abandon a cadence when two consecutive numbers from the alternative cadence not being followed appear. For example if we are pursuing Group 1 and two consecutive numbers from Group 2 appear we abandon the first sequence of bets and start betting on the new sequence using a progression of 2,2, 4. The new betting progression reverts to normal that is 1,1,2 on a win.
Example:
based on the following numbers appearing:
0= qualifying bet
3 W
5 W
1 L
2 L
5 L There is no third bet as we have abandoned Group 1 and are betting the cadence represented by
group 2 because of the preceding two spins
6 W
26 W
24 L
28 L
21 W
28 L
4 L
14 L
8 No Bet - We have lost 3 in a row and are now waiting for one of our two cadences to appear.
Whilst it is early days a short test I ran over a 106 spins produced a profit of 243 units. The system can produce some spectacular short term results.
Further testing and input from my cyberforce of comrades and friends would be appreciated.
Regards to all
17 Black
Mr. Black
It should go without saying that I have great respect for your modifications and I thank you for the first one. At this point, I have no reason to change horses. The first one you posted works for me so far.
If I were to scan and post my numbers daily, would anyone be interested in testing 100 numbers per day? They are from Riverbelle Live, Single 0
Sam
Good to hear - Have at look at supplementing the system with the second cadence - That also works well.
Cheers
first of all let me just say this system looks phonemenal. a massive thank you to black 17, compa and lebear on your hard work on creating this system. I have been using it on dublin bet for the last half an hour using 0.50 chip bets = 1 unit and so far my bankroll has gone from 1,060,70 to 1,143,70. early signs are very good. obviously alot more testing to be done and i will continue for a further 2 weeks before putting my money in, but just thought id give my input on how its going. im obviously new to the forum and am very grateful for all the information i have gained so far.
dj
Welcome to the forum, dj. It's not infallable; it lost today at Wild Jack. We don't sweat the losses as long as the wins are coming strong.
It's like the US stock market nowdays-------if'n you ain't in it for the long haul your startin' to sweat!
Sm
yeah i dont think we ever will find a way to win 100% of the time but as long as there is the wins are covring the losses we cannot complain. had another winning session last night of 43 units. am going to play for an hour or so today as it is the weekend and see what happens. ::)
dj
So true. The question is not how it did today; the question is how does it grind over time. Does it grind out a profit?
We shall see.
Sam
All
I just re-read 17Black's post about the new method. I wasn't going to test it until I read this prhrase: "cyberforce of comrades" Who could ignore such eloquence??
Truthfully, (ahem) the first method is slow--which is OK, but I think a person could easily do both. Just requires some fast bet placing.
More later.
Sam
sam my newly found friend. today i had a huge loosing session. - 80 something units. i was not impressed to say the least. however i am still up over the two days. and as for black 17's english skills i must clap that effort.
dj
We can't win them all. If we win three and lose seven and put money in the bank--we won!
Sam
Hi to all
I have had a rethink on the new variation that I posted and after considerable testing it looks pretty unstable. My original variation to the Compa and Le Bear version "mark 1" still appears to be travelling well in testing.
What is however frustrating about my variation is its failure to harness the run which inevitably follows a single win. I am convinced that such runs are conjured by the casino devil - tempting you to change tracks so it can swallow the meagre chips won.
Patience is however the key to winning and.....it is really one thing to say it and a completely different thing to practice it.
As a follow up I have again been researching a variation to " mark 1" which appears to improve its strike rate facilitating the use of a more aggressive staking plan. As a matter of reality I think that patience can be traded for a realistic profit but not for meagre returns.
The Proposal
Sam or anybody else I would be happy to apply my latest twist to " mark 1" if you would be kind enough to post say a 100 numbers daily.
I will post the results daily and reveal the system at the end of say 7-10 days testing. The art of gambling is really getting in and out as quick as possible and in this respect we need a realistic commencing notional bank and exit point.
I believe a starting bank of 500 units is reasonable with an exit point of somewhere between 50-100, but please let me have your input here.
Cheers to all
17black
QuoteI believe a starting bank of 500 units is reasonable with an exit point of somewhere between 50-100, but please let me have your input here.
This is exactly what I do with the VLS/ATILA combination. 500 units to win +100. Recomended two sessions per day.
I'm finding one straight session looking for +200 is way too much and it is my perception the "first 100" are somehow achievable easier, while the "second 100" are usually a struggle.
Thumbs up to this 500/50 ratio [smiley=thumbsup.gif], or in my case 500/100 :)
Your friend,
Victor
17
Firstly, I've done a 300 number test with your Mark II version and it's doing pretty well. I plan to keep on testing it.
Now, as to the 100 numbers, sure I'll scan my daily work and post it. I can't promise 100 every day, but I'll try. Some days I may get 200 in different trots.
Mark1 ain't half bad!
Sam
Ran a test on this today just on the 0 3 5 7 cadences.
+976units over 790 spins (4 lots of dublinbet sessions)
More details are in the testing zone....
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/test-of-the-compa-lebear-17black-cadence-system/15/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/test-of-the-compa-lebear-17black-cadence-system/15/)
Roules
17Black said
"The Proposal
Sam or anybody else I would be happy to apply my latest twist to " mark 1" if you would be kind enough to post say a 100 numbers daily.
I will post the results daily and reveal the system at the end of say 7-10 days testing. The art of gambling is really getting in and out as quick as possible and in this respect we need a realistic commencing notional bank and exit point.
I believe a starting bank of 500 units is reasonable with an exit point of somewhere between 50-100, but please let me have your input here."
Very well, ol' Bean, I accept your proposal.
Starting today under Permancnces I will post fully page sheets of my numbers from Riverbelle Live. They are easy to copy and read.
17Black, where will you put your test results. May I suggest you start a new thread under "testing" and post there. If we try to keep this forum in some semblance of order, we won't have to go running all over hell and half of Texas to find something.
Samster
Compa & LeBear
Great system and nice guide! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Samster
I will do as you say - bring forth the numbers
Cheers
Paul
I posted about 500 today under Actuals/permanence. But wait...there's more....
Watch for next post!
Sam
Seems a pretty powerful bet selection so far in my limited testing over 200 spins or so seems to hit in clumps using the original system posted in first post of this thread
Looking thru the posts here which tweaks if any have we agreed on or are using . I not even sure why it works ;D other than numbers triggering numbers but it seems pretty consistant .
Regards Rodney
I think someone would RX code this one...
Ice
iceberg
This is being SAM-Xed as you type. It's slow but, boy, is it ever satisfying.
Sam
Keep it up Sam what tweaks are you testing
No tweaks; none needed. 17Black modified the system so I guess he tweaked it. As far as I'm concerned, it works.
Why, just tonight I won 2u in 102 spins. I was lucky!
Sam
2 units better than a loss ;)
Sam, sorry, what means Sam-Xed?
Have you made some kind of software?
Sorry, but my english is very bad (as you know..)
Thanks
Ice
iceberg
Sam-Xed means I'm doing it with pencil, paper and calculator. The old-fashioned way.
Sam
Natural
I stuck with the test to see if I would lose or if it would pull out of the hole. I had a lot of the cadence 4 8 which is not bet on at all. It did pull out and get back to even and two more, so I was very happy not to lose.
Sam
Quote from: Boo_Ray on July 28, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
Compa & LeBear
Great system and nice guide! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
THANKS BOO_RAY!! Appreciate it! :D
SYSTEM UPDATE:
Cadence connections:
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=2,4,6 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, if lose play until hit. It will come;)
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=1,8,9 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, If lose play until win. It will come;)
Im going away for another Holiday so I cant recieve your reviews..lol.. until next week.
Catch you later
/Compa
Quote from: iceberg1912 on July 29, 2008, 03:11:34 AM
Sam, sorry, what means Sam-Xed?
Have you made some kind of software?
Sorry, but my english is very bad (as you know..)
Thanks
Ice
Like RX (Roulette Extreme software) - he Sam Xed it!
Sam Extreme?
sorry been a long day....
roules
Watch out boys, I'm firin' up the ol' SAMERATOR............
It's a mean machine!!
Samster
Quote from: Compa on July 29, 2008, 06:03:49 AM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on July 28, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
Compa & LeBear
Great system and nice guide! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
THANKS BOO_RAY!! Appreciate it! :D
SYSTEM UPDATE:
Cadence connections:
Iam not sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the method anyone have any ideas
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=2,4,6 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, if lose play until hit. It will come;)
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=1,8,9 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, If lose play until win. It will come;)
Im going away for another Holiday so I cant recieve your reviews..lol.. until next week.
Catch you later
/Compa
I see you guys think out of the box.That's good,in roulette like in everything else.Thank you for this system. Like Einstein said: "A problem cannot be solved with the same consciousness that created it",so if you cannot beat roulette's math and physics,you go learn another math.
You're welcome mate. Enjoy!
Cheers
/Compa
hi Compa, what do you mean by : If Hit, wait for another? Another what please? :-)
so is it playing 2 4 6 for one spin? or 1 8 9? or both?
thanks in advance. :)
BobbyBobby
>SYSTEM UPDATE:
Cadence connections:
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=2,4,6 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, if lose play until hit. It will come;)
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=1,8,9 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, If lose play until win. It will come;)
Im going away for another Holiday so I cant recieve your reviews..lol.. until next week.
Catch you later
/Compa
Quote from: tucktuckster on July 09, 2008, 05:20:29 PM
i do something similar to this.
i watch 36 spins or so. I get 10-14 sleepers (sometimes more sometimes less).
i then wait for them not to appear in 3 or 4 spins. I then tend to play them.
logic is that 12 numbers that are sleeping cannot sleep forever since after 40 you have an average number and after 50 you have an average number etc.
i tend to flat bet. if they hit straight away, i'll stop. if they go a further 3 spins and no hit, then you have 7 and I may increase bet. if they hit after 7 or more - i'll probably carry on since if they are overdue - you get a hit often followed by another one.
once 4 or more have livened up, i'll then gauge how things are playing. so after 36 spins, if 12 sleeper, no hit for 2, a hit which we dont bet on and then sleep for 4 - we play and then 3 hits in a row, I figure that we are down to 8 sleeper and just 40's spins - so could be dodgy. sometimes when this happens - after 4 or so spins I might just play the 4 that have hit since it is rare to get 12 sleepers all wake with hitting just once. normally from the 12 you get some that will not hit for many spins, some that will hit just once and some that will hit multiple times.
key is that after 60 spins you dont get 12 sleepers too often. and to get 12 sleepers after 36, the odds of those 12 sleeping another 24 is possible but not something I have seen happen. I think you get my drift.
to me - this is as logical as playing numbers because they end in same number. I guess its what works for each of us
hi tucker , this is a damn good way to play ,you get a A++ for this one. 8)
Seems like a complicated way of saying
bet on unhit numbers after 40 spins...
Greetings again to by cyberforce comrades
I am finally ready to unveil Mark III which I think improves vastly on the stability of Mark II. If I have posted results to some you which I have claimed to have obtained by using Mark III please disregard them. I have tampered with the basic strategy so much that I am not sure if those results still hold.
I think the virtue of this system is that it is dynamic and on the ball - it tries to anticipate the game without too much reference to the past - at least it seems that way. When playing this system I would strongly recommend that you use a bank of at least 500 units and an exit point of profit of between 50-100 units. The "system" should be really tested against these parameters. Moreover I would recommend a quit loss point of -200 units. Remeber professional horse punters only seel to win 1% of their bank at any given sequence of games. It is the turnover which matters and unlike horse racing,roulette runs ever minute of everyday. Nothing will beat the wheel if we play indefinitely.
Matk III is very similar to Mark II and these are the new rules.
The Cadences
We are only interested in three groups
Group 1: 0, 3, 5, & 7
Group 2: 1, 2, 6, & 9
Group 3: 4, 8
The Progression
1,1, & 2
The Strategy
Group 1 has 15 numbers
Group 2 has 15 numbers
Group 3 has 7 numbers
We are seeking to exploit the cadences by backing them as they appear. when we arrive at the table betting commences the moment a number from one of our group of cadences appears. If we arrive at a table and see for example that the number zero has appeared we immediately bet the 15 numbers derived from group 1 for a maximum of 3 spins using the progression mentioned. Subject to the rules of abandonment we continue backing the chosen cadence until we lose the progression ie until we lose three spins in a row. If we win during the progression we stop and recommence, starting the progression afresh, only when a new cadence appears. There is only one exception to the general rule of following a chosen cadence for three consecutive spins and that is the rule of abandonment
Abandonment
We abandon a cadence when two consecutive numbers from the alternative cadence not being followed appear. For example if we are pursuing Group 1 and two consecutive numbers from Group 2 appear we abandon the first sequence of bets and start betting on the new sequence using a progression of 2,2, 4.
When two consecutive numbers from another group appear during a switch a further switch to the new cadence is adopted using the progression of 4,4, and 2.The new betting progression reverts to normal that is 1,1,2 on a win.
The qualifying two numbers must not be a "double " for a switch to occur, for example if we are following group 1 and the number 2 appears twice in a row. we do not change groups. We ignore the double number.
Help is required in testing this further in particular.
A. the run of outs seems quite low - can anyone suggest a better or slightly more aggressive staking plan
B. I toyed with the idea of adding the number 6 as well, to group 3 with that group only being used when
the number 4 or 8 appeared. The other alternative was to extend the betting sequence to 4 bets
when this group is used because of the fewer numbers. As thing stand the bank gets a good kick along
when these numbers hit. I have not tested this angle and feed back would be appreciated.
Further testing and input from my cyberforce of comrades and friends would be appreciated.
Regards to all
Quote from: bobbybobby on August 01, 2008, 10:30:57 PM
hi Compa, what do you mean by : If Hit, wait for another? Another what please? :-)
so is it playing 2 4 6 for one spin? or 1 8 9? or both?
thanks in advance. :)
BobbyBobby
>SYSTEM UPDATE:
Cadence connections:
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=2,4,6 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, if lose play until hit. It will come;)
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=1,8,9 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, If lose play until win. It will come;)
Im going away for another Holiday so I cant recieve your reviews..lol.. until next week.
Catch you later
/Compa
Waiting for another Triggernumber. Simply as that:D
Cheers
/Compa
Hey Compa,
Interesting idea again!
Just one question, when you say "if lose, play until hit" what progression do you play and for how many spins? And what cadence?
Eg: Lets say the first number is 18 (so I think ok, I'll bet the 1-8-9 cadence for one spin) now the next numbers are 10, 11, 20, 28...should I stop betting after 10 shows up and wait until another number from the 2 cadences shows up to restart or should I play the 1-8-9 cadence until the 28 hits?
Hope it makes sense!
Thx,
MD 8)
Quote from: Compa on July 29, 2008, 06:03:49 AM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on July 28, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
Compa & LeBear
Great system and nice guide! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
THANKS BOO_RAY!! Appreciate it! :D
SYSTEM UPDATE:
Cadence connections:
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=2,4,6 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, if lose play until hit. It will come;)
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=1,8,9 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, If lose play until win. It will come;)
Im going away for another Holiday so I cant recieve your reviews..lol.. until next week.
Catch you later
/Compa
Hi Forum
Hey Guys maybe I have missed something along the way.
But can someone explain to me how we went from this in the original post
QuoteThe First group: Cadences 0.3.5.7 comes each 3-7 spin in average. The Second group: Cadences 4,6,8 comes each 6-10 spin in average. The Third Group: Cadences 9,6 comes each 8-12 spin in average. The Fourth Group: Cadences 1,2,9 comes each 6-10 spin in average.
To Now this QuoteWhen any of these cads show, play this cadence group=2,4,6 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, if lose play until hit. It will come;)
When any of these cads show, play this cadence group=1,8,9 for one spin. If hit, wait for another, If lose play until win. It will come;)
From Cads 4,6,8 ..........to.......2,4,6
And Cads 1,2,9............to.......1,8,9
It would appear that the 8 has been swapped for the 2 in the 1st cads
And the 2 for the 8 in the second Cads.
As well as the poor old 0,3,5,7 Cadence seems to have got the arse altogether.
Just asking the question thats all Guys.....I must have missed something while I am recuperating.
Maybe just getting old & silly
Good On Ya Mates.
Lanky
Hahaha,,, no Master Lanky. You got nothing wrong mate:D
Things has been moved around..
Now, the good old 0,7,3,5 cads played in my way is still around.
But I noticed that two more groups of cads seem to be connected and hits in bundles often.
The numbers 1,11,21,31,8,18,28,9,19,29 (1,8,9) seem to be involved with each other.
And the numbers 2,12,22,32,4,14,24,34,6,16,26,36 (cads 2,4,6).
So I started to mess with them and it looked good.
So from using all the other numbers (Except the cads 0.7.3.5,) as reference-numbers for betting this maingroup 0.7.3.5, I moved towards trying to catch these other numbers as well. The problem is still that these "new" groups is hard to predict, ie. they have a tendency to fall asleep more frequently than the 0735 group. which very seldom sleeps for more than 3-7 spins. Compared to the "new" cadences mentioned. So the conclusion for now is that they Can be played, but I rather watch their behaviour for another month or so before taking any serious action with them. Though I made a quite comprehensive previous post about them...lol.
So when I played them I took one of these "new" numbers as a trigger for that particular group and played
until hit with a 1112 progression. If no win, I evaluate. If win, I look for another group to be on fire.
Nothing is in stone as usual though..any comments ,mods, ideas, reflections are much welcome as long as no sarcasms..
Cheers
/Compa
i am now back from my holiday and am getting back in to the swing of things. in the middle of a dublin bet session right now using black17 original variation and it is working very well for me. up 40 units in last 15 minutes. after another week of testing if all goes well. i tried the mark 3 version but it just didn't really suit me. i prefer the first one with only the three step progression as i prefer to just let a loss go and start a fresh. just wondered if anybody else was still using his original of compa and labear great systmer!!
dj
Yes i Do...LMAO ;D
Cheers
/Compa
ALL
I have by no means given up on this cadence thing. More at a later date.
Sam
Thought this may need looking into again after watching a guy playing a similiar game at Crown over the last couple of months.I know hes looking at any group that hasnt had much of an appearance and then just hammers it .I have got to know him and he is a straight shooter, he told me one needs a good bank and balls of steel, just the other day (and I witnessed this) he cashed out 6 grand in the morning and 3 in the afternoon. Once he has an appearance of 2 #s from the sleeping groups he goes for it.
Geez some things are gold, that reminds me, good to see your back Two Cat talk about gold.If there were gold medals for testers you would have a barrow full.
Cheers Pedro
Thanks, Pedro!
silence.
Did this tank
I remember doing a bunch of testing on the Mark- methods back in the day when they were first proposed; and they seemed to perform somewhat better then average as I recall - will dig in the file cabinet.
It stands out to me, and from a common sense point of view that: as Sam stated earlier - a flexible exit strategy is called for here, rather then a grind on faith.
Bear
I've tested that method on an RNG and live land casinos. I have followed the rules religiously and ended up with more losing than winning sessions.
John