Hello there, Victor here.
Lucky Strike made this question: "When is your money your money? (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=1524.0)" I did have at a point to answer that myself many moons ago; how much to keep to my personal (and familiar) expenses, how much to re-invest? Answer = the magic number is 50%.
Let me explain my take on the 50% Money Management from scratch with 3 starting banks as lifetime-bankroll:
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This is the main scheme: To explode as much as possible 1st bank's unit value and to create as many minimum-value banks to act as "cushion" between you and the casino as you can make. The more banks the better because in gambling having available bankrolls to play is life itself.
...If you are playing you'd want to own the profits as soon as you finish your session, but also your stack of banks needs to grow. Under the 50% framework, after a winning session you split the 100% won amount like this:
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50% to you, the person playing and 50% to re-invest.
The re-invested 50% amount is again split in half (25% + 25%) and distributed equally to increase the unit value at the 1st bank you want to Explode in the $$$ value and to help in the creation of new banks to serve as more cushion between you and the casino.
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As you have a successful inter-session winning streak (several sessions won in a row) you grow the unit value at the first bank, and this triggers more actual money for you to have your 50% cut with each session, increases more rapidly the number of minimum-value unit banks as "cushion" and also enters in a positive loop by re-increasing 1st bank's $$$ value per unit.
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If you hit a bad inter-session streak (several concatenated sessions lost) after losing the first bank, a minimum-unit value bank is taken from reserve and you give back / lose the least $$$ possible as the value is returned the minimum again.
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Please remember the more fragmented the unit the better. If you play for instance the dozens with 1 unit = 10 chips, you can enjoy rising in decimals like this: 10.1 = 11 chips placed on the dozen. 10.3 = 13 chips placed, etc. when using "solid" units ( 1 unit = 1 chip ) this is not available.
And of course, feel free to use this Money Management scheme with the system that suits you better.
Hope it helps.
Best regards from your friend,
Victor
Thanks Victor.
Great :)
Cheers LS
I just wanted to put in a quick note and say that this MM plan is excellent. I have used it (or a version of it) for the past 3 months (or so) with great success. Even using simple systems with this MM Plan can prove profitable.
Thanks Vic!
Matt
Hi again folks,
I've decided to show you that it's quite possible to turn a small BR into a large one in just a few months with this amazing MM Plan.
I have been playing 5 lines for the last couple months (4 or so) and have turned a 200$ BR into 2500+ BR since then. And never risking more than half of it during one single session (thanks to this MM Plan).
Posted below is how I started it all. In this post I will show my first 15 sessions which gets my another full BR.
5 Lines Banking Plan
Original Bank: 200$
This intial 200$ is split into 2 smaller BR (100$ each)
100$ (Main BR) 100$ (2nd BR)
Session 1
100$ x 10% = 10$ (goal this session) - I shoot for 10% of my Main BR each session.
So I'm aiming to win 10$ this session. I only want to bet 3 times max, so I take 10$ and divide by 3.
10$/3 (# of games we want to play max) = 3.5 (our betting units)
Bet 3.5/line (17.5$ waged) - I am betting 5 lines, waiting for a line to repeat first then betting all other lines.
Session Results: nolinks - I won all 3 bets
Profits: 10.50$
New BR (Main): 105$ - here I split the profit. Half goes to my Main BR, the other half goes into a new BR (3rd BR)
2nd BR: 100$ (no change)
New 3rd BR: 5.50$ - when I split the profits and it doesn't split exactly, I always put the extra in the "new" BR.
Session End
Session 2
105$ x 10% = 10$ (goal - always round down)
Units: 3.5
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 10.50$
Main BR: 110$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 11$
Session End
Session 3
110$ x 10% = 11$
Units: 4
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 12$
Main BR: 116$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 17$
Session End
Session 3
116$ x 10% = 11$
Units: 4
Session Results: wwL(after a loss, I triple the units and aim for 2 more wins, then end the session)ww
Profits: 12$ (+4,+4,-20,+12,+12)
Main BR: 122$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 23$
Session End
Session 4
122$ x 10% = 12$
Units: 4
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 12$
Main BR: 128$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 29$
Session End
Session 5
128$ x 10% = 12$
Units: 4
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 12$
Main BR: 134$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 35$
Session End
Session 6
134$ x 10% = 13$
Units: 4.5
Session Results: wLww
Profits: 9$
Main BR: 138$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 40$
Session End
Session 7
138$ x 10% = 13$
Units: 4.5
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 13.50$
Main BR: 144$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 47.50$
Session End
Session 8
144$ x 10% = 14$
Units: 5
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 15$
Main BR: 151$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 55.50$
Session End
Session 9
151$ x 10% = 15$
Units: 5
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 15$
Main BR: 158$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 63.50$
Session End
Session 10
158$ x 10% = 15$
Units: 5
Session Results: Lww
Profits: 5$
Main BR: 160$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 66.50$
Session End
Session 11
160$ x 10% = 16$
Units: 5.5
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 16.50$
Main BR: 168$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 75$
Session End
Session 12
168$ x 10% = 16$
Units: 5.5
Session Results: nolinks
Profits: 16.50$
Main BR: 176$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 83.50$
Session End
Session 13
176$ x 10% = 17$
Units: 5.5
Session Results: Lww
Profits: 5.50$
Main BR: 178$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 87$
Session End
Session 14
178$ x 10% = 17$
Units: 5.5
Session Results: wwLww
Profits: 16.50$
Main BR: 186$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 95.50$
Session End
Session 15
186$ x 10% = 18$
Units: 6
Session Results: wLww
Profits: 12$
Main BR: 192$
2nd BR: 100$
3rd BR: 100$
4th BR: 1.50$
Session End
Please feel free to ask questions. I have all my results written (by hand) and I will spend the next weekend typing them up to post here. It will show how easy it was to build a bigger BR and how it gets bigger and bigger because I'm betting 10% of my Main BR, which is always growing.
Cheers and Good luck,
Matt
That looks bloody phenomonal to me Matty. Real good stuff there. very positive to see somebody who is winning. Not a fortune but winning on a regular basis. very impressive my friend. (my spelling is shocking so sorry if iv made mistakes people. lol)
Dj
MM
Quite impressive. Few have the patience to accomplish such a feat. Questions:
1. In your opinion, when you end a session how long must you wait to begin another session?
2. Did you do this for real, or was it a paper test?
3. Was it a real wheel? Which one?
Thanks for the time spent doing this. Very impressive.
I wish I could send you a spray can of this new "Naysayer Repellent" I found. It fends them off like OFF does mosquitoes, but it would freeze up there. They will probably buzz in, but just shoo them away and keep on keepin' on!
Hey Sam,
thanks for the vote of confedence. To answer your questions:
1 - sometimes I wait 5 mins and start again, sometimes a day. Lately, since I'm betting big units it's only 1 session a day.
2 - All real :)
3 - DB and live casinos while on the road.
Glad it's useful. I will be posting the next lot of sessions soon enough.
Matt
Great work, Matt & Victor! Thank you for sharing with us!
Really nice results, I'm looking forward to hearing from you with more successful sessions... ;)
Hey Matt,
Those are great results using Victor's brilliant MM scheme. Big respect you both.
I really like the way you play the lines. I'm big line player myself, although very different to you. I only bet 1 line, hunting down a potentially hot line and playing with a progression for 4 bets only. But I'm now thinking of using the way you play lines as an occasional recovery system if my way starts losing.
But what I wanted to ask is you is this. After a loss, do you immediately repeat your bet (triple unit bet) on the same 5 lines, or do you wait for the next repeating line before betting the other five again? I assume you do the first. Also, have you experimented with not limiting yourself to 2 more wins after you experience a loss and instead play a slightly less agressive rise on the recovery bets?
Cheers
CD
Hey CD,
when I'm playing repeating lines method, no I don't bet the immediately next bet as I've seen many times triple and quadruple lines hit back to back. I wait for another qualifier.
I have kept playing a few times after recovering, but usually take a quick break, even if it's for 5 mins. I'm actually working on a new method to playing the 5 lines and betting continuously. Of course there is a progression, but nothing drastic.
Matt
Smart move on waiting for a re-qualifyer, Matt. Triples and quadruples are plentiful. I saw the same line repeat 6 times the other day...playing the way I do, though, it was a gift from the Gods!
CD
As Kevin Keegan would say IF he's was in a job....
"I love it, I absolutely love it" ;)
My tiny mind would never think of increasing my lifetime bankroll this way..... :-[
Outstanding Victor, hopefully one day I will be able to out it into practice...... 8)
Cheers....[smiley=beer.gif]
But the dang system is soooooo difficult to grasp..
How does it go?? Wait for a double street to hit twice in a row and then bet it won't do it again? If it does, triple your bet for two more bets?
Sorry, I'm drunk on dog-tired!!
Sam
Haven't a clue about the system 2Cats :-[
Just love the money management angle.... 8)
Hi mattymattz and all.
Well nice going with the 30 numbers bets, what trigger do you use?
And i just want to say it makes me happy that some of us start to take things seriosly, talk money management.
Its the next step after you succed to win more then you lose, it is to ask when is my money my money and not the casinos money.
Because every time we have an amount of money that we are prepeard to risk, then that amount will allways be a part of the game, the casino, not us, until we know how to pull of an amount to become a part of us and not the game, the casino.
This is a great post and i think its sad that there is no more posts regarding capitilations strategys, its a hudge topic and should be explored.
Happy winnings to all...
Cheers Lucky Strike
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 06, 2008, 02:19:17 AM
But the dang system is soooooo difficult to grasp..
How does it go?? Wait for a double street to hit twice in a row and then bet it won't do it again? If it does, triple your bet for two more bets?
Sorry, I'm drunk on dog-tired!!
Sam
Sam's - it's not the system I'm trying to encourage (it doesn't always win) but the sound Money Managment plan that can really turn the tides.
MM
I agree here. As long as you split those bankrolls up, then you find yourself in a good position. The problem I might have would be how far down into your current bankroll do you set as the stop-loss? Is it half? An entire bankroll?
For instance, you could have built up the first bankroll so high, that winning 10% of the bank seems easy, but since your units are higher in value, the expectation of losing the entire bankroll is the same as it was when it was at its bare minimum.
Perhaps the thought would be to allow the bankroll to grow on the 10% scale as usual, but perhaps not increasing the unit value as quickly as the bankroll is growing would be a good idea, to give your bankroll more sustainability.
For instance, if you have a $100 bankroll at the outset, and you are trying to win $10. So you are playing $1 units, and get 10 wins. You are finished.
But say you are up to $200 in your first bankroll. You are trying to win $20. Do you want to gamble that the bad loss is not coming along the way, and move your unit value to $2? Or would you prefer to maybe get up to $300 before moving up to a $2 unit value? In the $100 sceanario, you are risking 1% of your bank per unit, hoping that 100% isn't used. But with each impending win, the amount you risk each spin GOES DOWN. So, if you are at $105 after Session 1, and still using $1 units, you are only risking 0.9% of your bank per unit. See what I mean here? You have more units available to you in case you have a bad spell.
Just food for thought.
Hey cps10
Glad your back here.....
Just one thing to say....
[smiley=afro.gif] = WARB ;)
Quote from: xman1970 on September 10, 2008, 04:17:00 PM
Hey cps10
Glad your back here.....
Just one thing to say....
[smiley=afro.gif] = WARB ;)
I hear ya dude...I do need to get my wig trimmed now that ya mention it! :)
Hi guys, Questions for Victor here
I'm interested in incorporating VLS' 50% Money Management into Lohnro's Double Street System. Assuming 5 per unit bets,a BR OF 350 UNITS per session (as explained by cps) as well as a profit of 10% of BR per session( abt 35 Units). But i'm not sure how to go about doing it.
For example
1. how many intra sessions do i go for b4 increasing the unit value per stake?
2. How much do i increase?
3. Stop loss per session?
Would it be possible?
Thanks
"Hammy" Jr
I will see if I can help you out hamsup with a chart. As soon as I come up with it, then I will let you know.
Cheers Cps
:D
Hamsup
hi Victor
Questions for you regarding this mm system. I started with 3 Brs of 250 each, now my BR 1 is 1386 and i've almost completed by 8th minimum bank. This is because i've been riding a pretty good wave at the moment. However this will not last for sure ( though of course I hope not :P).
When would be the point whereby u recommend to start over again ? or not increase your units any further? In addition to this, on a loss, would u start over? or else where would u continue from ?
Thanks in advance
Hams
Hi mate, answer is simple, you roll back to base unit when you lose your first bank.
By the way, as your units get larger, you may want to keep a few of them prior to losing the whole bank. say keep 10% of your first inflated bank to distribute. When you are facing such a clear negative tram in your session, you will hardly make 90% with the remaining 10%, so it is avisable to keep at least some those large units for the bank.
Victor
Quote1. how many intra sessions do I go for b4 increasing the unit value per stake?
From 2nd session, you are ready to go.
Quote2. How much do I increase?
That's up to your own return. say you return per session is 20% of bank, then you have:
10% for you.
5% for your 1st bank
5% for the stack of banks.
So at this level of return per session, you increase by 5% your unit value.
Quote3. Stop loss per session?
Again, it depends on your system. Remember this is an
inter-session Money Management; stop loss is attached to your system of choice.
What I can tell you is you do not place any stop on the unit value increase in your first bank. Let is go as high as it can. This is the beauty of this MM, rising the unit on casino money :)
Victor
Hi Victor,
Thanks a lot mate. Great advice.
CHeers
Hams
Hi mattymattz and all.
Just recently I tried you MM tweak in a real casino. Well done ;) Brilliant !
About tripling the bet, it gets scary sometimes, but usually works.
@ Master Victor ;)
I have been testing my bet selection for the 2 doz & 2 col recovery stage and works somewhat fine.
The topic is: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/back-to-vls-dozen-and-column-jumps/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/back-to-vls-dozen-and-column-jumps/)
I wouldn't advise to play this as production stage. It will fail. However due to it's lower bankroll requirements compared to 2 doz or 2 cols, perhaps it could be used as a recovery alternative. Most of the time I see 1 dozen and 1 column either sleeping or behind the other 2.
Victor, do you think a Lw module to test it further, possible, mate ?
And again congratulations Victor for 50% MM, and Matt for your idea. You guys Rock 8)
Friendly
Moch
QuoteAnd again congratulations Victor for 50% MM, and Matt for your idea. You guys Rock
Mate, there are some "tricks" or "tweaks" to this one.
Always keep 10% of first bankroll, more than likely you won't make 90% with 10%, so it makes sense to pocket them; keeping inflated units do count.
Advanced use of Manrique's Money Management techniques which for illustrating purposes need first translating them to english, then more space to elaborate on their usage with this 50% scheme (i.e.
selective erotion on first bank, implementing Manrique's "
Achiles & the Turtle" technique and
communicant glasses at some set points,
vegetative growth is already implemented in a way, etc.).
Also, depending on the system and unit (i.e. if can divide unit at least / 10), it is possible to implementing it with every single bet, for a higher compound interest formula...
There's more to it! Mostly tweaks from trial & error, as it sucks biggest time to lose an inflated first bankroll. Some measures are hinted but frankly speaking, they deserve their own "Advanced 50% Money Management implementation" thread.
Kind regards,
Victor
Hi Victor et all
QuoteAlways keep 10% of first bankroll, more than likely you won't make 90% with 10%, so it makes sense to pocket them; keeping inflated units do count.
Another good advice. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Also, depending on the system and unit (i.e. if can divide unit at least / 10), it is possible to implementing it with every single bet, for a higher compound interest formula...
Can you explain this, please ? I don't get it mate. :-[
Best regards
Moch
This stuff does sound very promising!
I definitely will give "Advanced 50% Money Management" a try.
Looking forward to it. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
And thank you, Victor, for all your efforts! Really good work.
Regards,
m
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