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Hi all, been sometime since I've created a free software for members to use.
Last software I created was a number capturing tool (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/number-capturing-tool-free-software-by-tiago2/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/number-capturing-tool-free-software-by-tiago2/))

Anyway the plan is to create a fully automated free bot (No restrictions) for all to use.

So the challenge for you all is to come up with the perfect system for this bot to have. Current systems are ellegible as well to enter.

Also the bot will need a casino (or casino platform, eg Playtech) to work with. I've included a poll off the casinos. The casino with the most votes will be the one the bot will be able to play at. (The bot may also end up with a "Manual Input" option to play at other casinos manually)

The system the bot will run will be the system that gets the most votes...I'll be setting up a new poll for that later based on the system members would like the bot to have.

If you would like to enter a system to be included into the poll please submit the name of the system followed by a link to a page where the system is explained. Please refrain from posting the actual system on this thread thanks.

-Tiago

I've been coding custom roulette bots for a long time. I'm also the coder behind Super Roulette and Roulette Bot Pro. The bot will be coded to the highest standards.

*Edit*
System suggestions
1). Two's Company: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/my-method/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/my-method/)
2). Play 1 Number at a Time: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/play-1-number-at-a-time/?topicseen (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/play-1-number-at-a-time/?topicseen)

Cool idea....nice one Tiago....I have placed my vote
The Spiders Kiss

Thanks Spider, i'll let this thread run for a while and see what systems members want

Cool idea.    And also history recorder  and  analyzer.   This features are very useful  :)

bot will include a history and balance graph along with lots of other commonly requested features i've gotten while developing bots

Any system suggestions ppl?

 up to you  :)

How about BetPhoenix Live American Wheel?

BetPhoenix added to the poll  :thumbsup:

far2shok, the idea is to include a system members want to use. The way I see it theres little point in coding a system I want to use since I can do that anyway. I'm looking for system suggestions, I would like to know what is the system members would like to see coded

Tiago

I swore I would stay off this forum until July 1, but your offer to code a free bot is worth more than any promise I made to myself.

I have tested Mr. J's "Two's Company" system over around 8,000 spins.  These were 00 spins from the Zuma tester.  I have also played it live at BV on their no-zero, single zero and 00 American wheel.  I have tested some at Dublin.  While it greatly bothers me that I cannot find any logical reason for why this works, it does seem to work quite well.  In the Zuma tester, using the base of $5 as Ken suggested, that 8,000 spins ran around $17,000 in profit.

Mr. J tossed this out as a freebie to the world so I can see no legal problems with your coding it.  However, since we are all three gentlemen here, it might be best to get his blessing on the project.  And let's not forget Super Roulette--Matt!  I feel if he wants this in his bot, he should have first dibs on it.  

As to the casino?  I can only play at BV, but that's a small consideration.

As always, I am ready to help with any questions you have and be your beta tester.

I have broken my silence; I must flagellate myself with a cat o' nine tails fashioned from soggy angel hair pasta!

Sam

I agree with TwoCatSam, Mr. J's "Two's Company" would be a nice system to have coded.
I've tested it too and dunno why but it ended with profit :S Don't ask my the logic behind it, but it works (at least till now )

Oh, and welcome back TwoCatSam
I'm really glad to see you posting  :thumbsup:

:yahoo:

Thanks Sam for the system suggestion :). The casino the bot will be able to play at is decided by popular vote. DublinBet Live is currently at the lead... who knows maybe BetVoyager will catch up...

I have another idea.

The ideal system for a roulette bot:
- a system that doesn't need human decision in it
- a system with steady, even if slow profits
- a system that needs long hours of tracking/playing

So I think that the best system for it are:
- Mr J "two's company" as TwoCatSam said
and
- nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/play-1-number-at-a-time/?topicseen (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/play-1-number-at-a-time/?topicseen) (I think this system can be a long term winner. The only problem is that it takes a lot of time to produce a decent profit, and it gets boring to play) In my way of thinking, it would be the ideal system

Best regards,
Afonso

Thanks A3on47  :thumbsup:

- nolinks: vlsroulette.  com/full-systems/play-1-number-at-a-time/?topicseen
This method was made by you at RBP super singles  but it have to be just little corrected

I think 2's company is a good choice too
TSK

Hello everybody!
Yes yes its my first post even tho I've been on this page for a while now.
First of all let me just say 5x :thumbsup: for this site and all the ppl contributing to its greatness with their ideas and experience.

Now back to the topic :)
Ty Tiago for your time and effort to create a software for us that will save us a lot of time and effort  ;D

I was wandering if its possible to add Joyland casino to your poll? Its a live stream of the game with no table players there so the game is quite fast and fluid  (as for the live games go. . . ), but the thing I like the most about this site is the small bets they offer (only 0. 1€).

Now about the systems. . .  Hope its not asking much but is it possible to have both of them implemented in the software? :)

I'm familiar with both systems and I have to say that both seem really ok. 
I've done some testing with Mr J's system (about 1000-1400 spins. . .  (not as much as 2Cat tho, I take my hat off to him as well for the videos and testing he did for this VLS community, welcome back Mr! I'll be happy to read your posts once again)(note to myself stay on the TOPIC!:).  But when I was testing it I hit the wall quite often.  Even tho I'm sure the system should recuperate and in time show some profit.  But I think that it needs quite a big bankroll for it to work properly.  That's why it would be nice to start with the Robsky's system perhaps? That system has flat bets on 1 number not really sure if it works but from all my reading I've done on this forum I'm sure there is something about that "rule of the third" thingy :)

(I  have thought of a system based on repetitions that has been showing a profit for a past couple of weeks, will share it with you guys as soon as I do some more testing on it.  And who knows. . . perhaps it might qualify for Tiagos software  8)

That's it for now sorry for my bad choice of words and spelling but I never was good at writing things  :blush2:

Best regards to all the members!

Zilko

Hi Firetus,

Joyland Casino runs on the Playtech platform. I've decided not to include Playtech Live into the poll. Thou if Playtech RNG gets the most votes then u'd be able to use the bot on Joyland RNG tables.  But RNG and Live isn't quite the same. There are a few live tables included in the poll, feel free to vote on them, or you can also suggested another live table.

Thanks for the system suggestions, can you supply a link to the thread where Robsky's system is explained?
Also a link to your system that you're working on once you finish testing it and if you wish to include it in the future system poll.

The bot will include one system and one casino it will be able to play at. And this will be decided by popular vote.

Cheers.

Quote from: Tiago2 link=topic=15849. msg100722#msg100722 date=1271343111

Thanks for the system suggestions, can you supply a link to the thread where Robsky's system is explained?
Also a link to your system that you're working on once you finish testing it and if you wish to include it in the future system poll. 


Cheers. 

Well if I understood correctly "PLAY 1 number  at a time" is Robskys system.
And about my system, I will post it after I'm absolutely sure that its "safe". 
More on that later!

Hope you all have lovely weather like we do here in Slovenia!

Cheers to all!!

Zilko

Oh ok, yeh you're right. That system is already included in the system suggestion list.

Hi!
To Tiago2.  I have  forum at roulettebotpro. ru .  The members gives good ideas for improving RBP.  Can i describe  this ideas at this  post?

I created rouletted bot pro but I'm not the owner of it. Any ideas for RBP should be directed to Matt. nolinks :// roulettebotpro. com/ contact. html  If he likes them he will ask me to include them into RBP

I think he asked if he could tell here the ideas that members give at roulette bot pro forum, for you to put in this freebie bot.

Cheers

Yes, of couse! I think good ideas for program can be used.  .  .   Why not? it is just ideas and you'll decide what you want to use

This is Tiago thread, but I think you can tell your ideas openly :)

The bot itself will already include alot of features, I wont be extending it with new ideas, sorry. This is a free project so I wont be overloading myself with alot of extra coding on it. Suggestions on the actual system GUI settings are welcome. Thou thats later once a system is picked

any updates with this?

No updates yet... the two systems that were suggested are

1). Two's Company: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/my-method/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/my-method/)
2). Play 1 Number at a Time: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/play-1-number-at-a-time/?topicseen (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/play-1-number-at-a-time/?topicseen)

I'll most likely be coding Two's Company as that seems the more popular one. Coding will be done in my free time. Haven't started coding yet...

Lets not forget to have all rules PERFECT in the code. Remember the last guy (forgot his name) did a TON of testing and it turns out he had two rules of the method wrong. I am still CONCERNED regarding when you had SIX unhit pairs on one side and zero on the other. Of course, ANY numbers can hit in ANY order but something about that sequence  does not sit right with me, I cant put my finger on it, it has been bothering me ever since you posted it. Ken

Ok guys I'll be coding Two's Company :)

As with every new bit of code that is written it should be tested for bugs. Ken, would you be up for testing the system to make sure I've coded it correctly once its done? There'll be a manual input option in it so you'd be able to tell the bot which number was spun. Can't see it taking to long to make sure all the rules are coded correctly.

Anyways, I've slapped together a draft for the GUI. If anyone has any suggestions on any other options that can be included in the System Settings feel free to let me know. Once the system is coded I wont be adding more GUI options to it.

Theres still more to this bot than what the image shows. The bot will include a History window and a Bankroll graph, aswell as a Tracker for the system.

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg534.imageshack.us%2Fimg534%2F9519%2F75827954.png&hash=2a22f5099f97ea403ebe11d5e14ee236c9738a20)

Estimated time for the bot to be completed: No idea. May take a few days... or a few weeks... depending on how much time I get to work on it.

"Reset system after amount of spins: 56" >>> Does this include the 10 skips? I appreciate your time Tiago2 but you're not testing for me, perhaps others. The testing means nothing in my eyes. I'll CONTINUE to play regardless of the outcome. Even if it is coded wrong, it doesn't affect me.  Ken

I'm following the video that TwoCatSam did explaining the system. 10 skips? That wasn't mentioned in the video... I'll have to go re-read the thread.
The bot is  being coded for the members of vls. The majority of the testing will be done by members that use the software. I want to be sure the system is coded correctly as it will be a fully automated bot that is able to place real bets if the user wanted to.

The software is not for me either, if it was I wouldn't bother with a GUI as I'd be able to change settings in code and just recompile it.

Anywayz cheers for the system, have you got any further thoughts on the "SIX unhit pairs on one side and zero on the other", the image that I posted in the system's thread. Many thanks

"10 skips?" >>> and thats just the beginning. I have always done manual testing with roulette. One spin at a time. One by one by one by one by one by one by one etc   Ken

Everything is put through silicon with me. Haven't got the time or patience to to test manually.

To those that are interested... worked a bit more on the bot today, got it up to scratch. Everything is working except for the system. Can't see myself having time to continue this for a week or two... thou who knows.

Video demonstrating features of the bot
nolinks://nolinks.screencast.com/users/Tiago2/folders/Default/media/1eabb1f8-3e51-46fa-94b9-5253e0818c10 (nolinks://nolinks.screencast.com/users/Tiago2/folders/Default/media/1eabb1f8-3e51-46fa-94b9-5253e0818c10)

The issue with a 'bot'......lets say at some point there are situations with 'what ifs'. Well, it does not matter with a bot, its coded. Testing manually allows me to sit and ponder the 'what ifs' AS THEY HAPPEN. I correct the issue(s) and move on. Its only my preference but like I said, I *DO* appreciate your time.  Ken

How is this going tiago? :)

Quote from: Mr J on April 29, 2010, 06:04:43 PM
The issue with a 'bot'......lets say at some point there are situations with 'what ifs'. Well, it does not matter with a bot, its coded. Testing manually allows me to sit and ponder the 'what ifs' AS THEY HAPPEN. I correct the issue(s) and move on. Its only my preference but like I said, I *DO* appreciate your time.  Ken

Translation:

"If my system fails in automated testing using this bot (even though it's a mechanical system), it doesn't mean I ever lose using it because when *I* play it, my mystic guts tell me to adjust the system accordingly beyond its rules at the right moment in such a way that I never lose. So it's not my problem if this system fails but hey, I'm always a winner."


:stink:

Quote from: Noble Savage on June 08, 2010, 09:26:34 AM
Translation:

"If my system fails in automated testing using this bot (even though it's a mechanical system), it doesn't mean I ever lose using it because when *I* play it, my mystic guts tell me to adjust the system accordingly beyond its rules at the right moment in such a way that I never lose. So it's not my problem if this system fails but hey, I'm always a winner."


:stink:

I respect Mr.J and for me he is an wonderful member and roulette player !

But I've to say I laughed my ass off when I read this  :lol:
ahahah

I wont get into the whole bot vs not a bot war. To each his own.

Currently the bot is still where the video left off. The system hasn't been implemented in it yet. Haven't had the free time needed yet to complete it. But this bot is still on the list of projects I need to complete, thou not very high up on that list...

I'll keep you all posted when progress on it starts to move forwards again...

Hey everyone, been reading this forum for over a year now, this be my first post.   I have to say I'm quite interested in the Robsky's system, especially as it sounds like it's showing good profits flatbetting.   Am going to use it manually on my own but would love a bot to do it as well.   I wouldn't mind paying for it either.   I'm in the USA and am using RTG casino Club World, they were highly recommended on Casino Meister's site, plus they have units as low as 0.  25, hard to find that in US accepting casinos.   Anyways, I dunno if this project is still being pursued but that's just my 2 cents.    :smile:

Matty B

Actually I did some manual testing of Robsky's system, the results and my thoughts are here:

hxxp: vlsroulette. com/testing-zone/testing-of-robsky%27s-one-number-system/

Hi Taigo2! Any news related to freebie?

Hi people, I have finally found some free time to code this bot. Yes it's been a long wait, its a free bot so there was really no rush for me and it was put at the bottom of the to-do-list. In any way the bot is coded and the system is running.

Based on popular vote, the bot works with Dublinbet Live and it runs Mr J's' My Method' system (Thanks Mr J for the system  :thumbsup:). Thank you to all who voted and gave system suggestions.

There's still some quirks to be fixed in the bot's GUI, so a bit more time until the bot is released.

However, I am looking for beta testers. If you would like to be a beta tester the only requirement is that you MUST know how Mr J's 'My Method' works. I need help in verifying that the system is coded correctly. Your task would be to manually input numbers in such a manner to test different circumstances the system may encounter and verify that the system operates correctly to them. You will also get the chance to be one of the firsts to test out the bot in all its glory using full automation on Dublinbet.

If you're interested in being a beta tester let me know. Thanks

Screen shot of some of the bots functionalities, including the settings window for the system

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg824.imageshack.us%2Fimg824%2F9845%2F65766669.png&hash=ec90fbe75a0e00f023e643b42181bc446b3a544c) (nolinks://img824.imageshack.us/I/65766669.png/)

Soo looking forward to this  


Thanx Tiago2 for all your workk  


Thanx Ken for an awesome sounding system.     

No problem but please remember >>

There are risks involved when playing methods and you can lose alot of money. Not all days are winning days. Please play responsibly and never drive while intoxicated.

Ken

Yup ure not wrong Ken !


Thanx for the sound advice  

Hi all,

The bot is now online
Please visit nolinks://nolinks.theroulettebot.co.uk/ (nolinks://nolinks.theroulettebot.co.uk/) for download.
Don't forget to read the online help file to understand how the bot works.
Hope you enjoy it! :)

Just wanted to thank you for the bot - seems to work fine so far - I really appreciate your work on this.

Regards,

Alf

Will this bot operate on Betvoyager or just Dublin?

How is this working for others.

As far as I can tell the bets are placing correctly but twice now the progression has returned to the beginning half way through (without a win).

I don't think I will risk using it any more for now. 

Robert

I use W7 64 bit and it doesn't appear to work  :'(  ..... or maybe its just me.

The bot only works with DublinBet.
The bot hasn't been tested on W7 64bit... it hasn't been tested on any 64bit (by myself) system as I don't have one to test it on.
To understand the system please read the thread on Twos Company (My Method by Mr J). I'll see if I get the time to write up a help file for the system, how it works and what all the options are

Thank you Tiago for the clarification on 64 bit.
I understand the system and I like it. Will have to carry on doing it manually.
Thanks again.

To anyone out there using this bot.   What is the highest you have been in the progression.   Starting with . 5 + . 5 it just took me up to 10 + 10 which doesn't square with Mr J's progression.  It hit on the second 10 + 10 bet anyway but I'm left puzzled.

If your around Tiago can you let me know what progression you used?

Thanks,

Robert

Hi Robert,

The free bot was created based on popular vote, Mr J's system was chosen. Its a very good system and has done me quite well while using it. However, I don't just use Mr J's system when playing online roulette. My personal bot normally has about a dozen systems for game play (including Mr J's) and they're synchronized to go off depending how game play is going.

I normally use Calculate progressions automatically with a 'Percentage of loss to recover' at 50%-70%. I haven't done extensive testing playing with just this system straight. I use various, and they come on and off. I consider a bot a tool for online roulette and not a "holy grail".

My advice to you, is to use the free bot as tool, make sure you know exactly how the system that's coded in the bot works, and test test test to find the best settings that work with the style you'd like to play, ie, aggressive or conservative.

Also, take advantage of the bots VIRTUAL betting mode, don't just play using REAL. If you think the run is going a bit sour, pause the bot and pop it into VIRTUAL, let it play for a bit then pop it back into REAL. Use the features that are included into the bot to your advantage. Make sure you know the features of the bot and try to use them to help you in playing online roulette (nolinks://nolinks.theroulettebot.co.uk/onlinehelp (nolinks://nolinks.theroulettebot.co.uk/onlinehelp)).

A bot is a bit like a car, you can get away with knowing somewhat how to drive a car but won't benefit fully until you fully understand how to use it. How to use the lights, wind shield wipers etc. You won't necessarily use all the features of a car at once, but you'd use them as the need arises to make your driving experience better.

The free bot has good amount of features, you wont need to use them all the time, but they're there to help make your online roulette playing an enjoyable, profitable one.  

Maybe, if I get the time, I'll try to put a short course on how to "drive" a bot, and teach good playing practices I've learnt over the years.  Maybe something for the future when I get some time.

All the best, and I hope your experience with the free bot is enjoyable :)

Thanks for the reply Tiago,

I do know how Mr.  J's "Twos Company" system works and I have used it manually for some time.
I have always thought of Mr.  J's 56 stage progression as part of the system and assumed that the "calculate progressions automatically" meant it would be this progression.
Now I know different I'll start experimenting.

Don't get me wrong.  I think your free bot is great and it has worked well as I was using it.  I was just a bit confused over what was happening.

Robert

The 56 stage progression is not part of the automatic progression, the bot does allow you to add in a progression manually. You can add in Mr J's 56 step progression manually and the bot will use it instead of calculating a progression automatically.

Is there any way to set a progression starting .5, 1, 1.5,2,2.5, etc. When I enter the figures like this it comes out as
5,1,1,5,2,2,5,  .

If it's not possible I can't use Mr. J's 56 stage progression since starting at 1 means going over Dublinbets 10 euro limit.

Can you help Tiago.

Robert

The progression is based on units and not actual euros. You can't put 0.50 as a progression because you can't have half a unit. By wanting a progression like  .5, 1, 1.5,2,2.5 I assume you want it to be  €0.5, €1, €1.5,€2,€2.5.

To Achieve that progression, set the betting unit (see section C at nolinks://nolinks.theroulettebot.co.uk/onlinehelp/main (nolinks://nolinks.theroulettebot.co.uk/onlinehelp/main)) on the main screen to €0.50. Then set the progression in the system's settings to 1,2,3,4,5.

When betting, the bot will then place 1 unit of €0.50 for the first progression, then 2 units of €0.50 (making €1) for the second progression and so on.

Just logged in to say I've found the way by experiment but I see you've already replied Tiago.

Thanks anyway for your quick response.

Robert

Still having problems.

I have set a 56 stage progression.

I have set "Reset cycle on a WIN"

I have set "When new cycle starts Reset progression"

The cycle and progression restarted after the 46nd stage of the progression which, including the 10 no bet spins is a total of 56 spins.

At this point 20 & 14 were unhit on the wheel side so the cycle should have carried on betting on just those two numbers.

14 hit 6 spins later which would have been a winning cycle.

I'm assuming the cycle restarted because there were no unhit numbers left adjacent on the layout side. I don't think this is the way Ken plays it.


Robert

I guess no one else is looking at this bot, or hasn't yet gone to the later stages in the progression.

It seems that the cycle is deemed to have ended when there are no two numbers side by side on either the layout list or the wheel list irrespective of whether the other side still has numbers together.

It happened to me again. The progression restarted with 3 numbers still adjacent on the layout side.

One of them hit on what should have been 54 in the progression. I expect to lose some games of course but the extra ones that this error is causing means that my profit just disappears. I see no point in using the bot until it's sorted out.

Robert

Could you try to emulate the circumstance again using Manual Input? Then use File > Save Spins to export the spins. If you send/tell me the spins and the exact settings you are using on the system I'll be able to replicate the problem and see exactly what's happening. If it's an error I'll try to put aside some time to fix it.