since 2007 i have come into contact with 3 nutbars who were convinced they could predict numbers based on ball movements, speeds, angle of the sun, you name it. it was a complete joke, but they were convinced and they tried hard to convince me. something didn't sit well with me at all. to me, i don't care who you are, if you can't win in a game during your "best" conditions then something is wrong. just standing by a wheel telling predictions after the dealer calls nmb's doesn't count either.
so what did i do? i had them take me to their best table and i mopped the floor with them. watching them try and fail was not as fun as me beating them with my strategy too. of the 3 so-called "ap's", 2 outright lost and the other just barely broke even. then the excuses came. varying speeds, ball types, sector shooting, short term "random" fluctuations. it was kinda embarassing to watch if i were to be honest.
so when it comes to so called advantage player's, i am not going to hold my breath. if my strategy can beat them as badly as it did and i am supposed to be the uniformed gambler, why the hell would i want to become an informed losing one.
"then the excuses came" >>> BINGO. You caught him on a bad day OR "this is such a short term test, it really cant be counted". lol That ball (usually, not always) is FLYING around in the OPPOSITE direction of the wheel. Bouncing and slamming, bouncing and slamming. Anyone who believes in such non-sense as VB/DS, needs to get their head checked. Perhaps low on vitamins or something. Ken
I want to touch on DS/VB (and clocking).....later, my opinion regarding 'bias wheels'. (cough) Keep in mind this is my STRONG opinion, I'll keep it short and to the POINT. I have not traveled to 13 different countries, played in 49 different casinos, on 114 different roulette tables....NOR HAVE YOU.
Dealer signature is pure BS, sorry to the ex-method guys that have GIVEN UP and hoping to find salvation elsewhere. I can SOMEWHAT understand the interest in DS but in terms of it being practical, no way! There are way too many variables involved. The speed of the wheel, the speed of the ball, both going in opposite directions, scatter etc.
All of the bouncing off the pockets and deflectors. Quite a few times I have seen the ball hit 'whatever'.....and its now going in the SAME direction as the wheel! lol All that put aside, you're gonna tell me that after watching 'certain' dealers over "X" number of spins/weeks/months etc., you have found a certain PATTERN with that dealer? A load of BS, plain and simple.
If it were true, I would be studying it more than any other poster here. Like I said, TOO MANY conditions for it to work. Yes I know (dont give me the speach) the betting is for a section, maybe 8-12 numbers and NOT one particular number, I know. Regardless, its still a load of garbage. The videos I have seen.....we have all seen these demonstrations.
The issue? I RARELY see a wheel AND ball rotating that damn slow. I own a wheel, I would love to see this SKILL at my place with ME spinning the wheel AND ball. Lets see how good you are then. lol I'm not trying to argue on this issue. This will be posted on a couple different boards and at some time later, my comments on 'bias wheel'. (cough). I strongly believe that some like to HIDE behind the title of AP (advantage play). It seems the title alone DEMANDS some sort of high respect.
Respect? I'll tell ya what that is. Testing, studying, actual play for YEARS, both casino and at home. Creating methods, using REAL money, losing REAL money, admitting not every damn day is a victory, good record keeping, sharing ideas with others, tweaking methods: trying to improve on them if possible. If NOT possible, admit it and NEVER play that idea again. THATS RESPECT!! Ken
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I found this great article >>> Once again the popular myth of clocking the roulette wheel to tamper with its basic random nature has come to light. There are some very sophisticated instruments to measure the precise speed of the roulette wheel but the fact remains that there are currently no instruments to predict the landing position of the ball spinning on the roulette wheel.
There are wheel deflectors which randomize the movement regardless of the speed but it remains that it is next to impossible for any seasoned or fledgling player of roulette to clock the roulette wheel spin to a nicety precisely. Even if the casinos were to allow the usage of the instruments by the players.
There are some comprehensive and thorough tests conducted by the manufacturers of roulette wheels. They make the wheel spin at a specific speed x for number of hours y. They make cross checks that the roulette ball is landing randomly at all trial runs. They then change the speed of the wheel and run the same series of stringent tests.
The anomaly starts at the juncture when the roulette wheel starts to experience the grueling wear and tear due to its non stop workload 24/7 at casinos. This can be attributed to the fact that the deflectors in the roulette wheel were starting to wear off. The way these things work is simple. The winning and losing streaks and their corresponding skips or misses. The fundamental formula of gambling FFG is again applied here. Undoubtedly it is hard work but after all the game of roulette is not for the weak at heart.
After my DS thread, I said I wanted to comment regarding FINDING a bias wheel (cough). MY DISCLAIMER: I am not saying there is not one bias wheel in the entire world! lol Got that out of the way. Sorry AP guys, if this was 1894, I would say, seek and you will find quite a few bias wheels. In todays MODERN casinos, GENERALLY speaking, no damn way.
Those wheels are watched by many casino staff and WELL MAINTAINED, "just in case" there MIGHT be a small bias section. So lets say the 25 29 12 8 are hitting ALOT over many spins and the 26 30 11 7 are getting only a few hits (double zero wheel). You mean to tell me, Joe Blow the roulette guy will notice this but NO casino staff will? Perhaps they do notice it and do nothing about it? lol Not to mention, alot of maintenance and SWITCHING of wheels are done at 4am (give or take).
I know, I know....."find a small scratch on the wheel so you know if its the same one next time". Blah, blah, blah. lol Thats the LOGIC I always hear. For the sake of arguing, lets say you found one for a BRIEF period of time. Now its GONE and......you spend the next 10 months SEARCHING for another one!?
Assuming you can even find another bias wheel and assuming you even live in a city with multiple casinos/wheels (as an example, I dont). Anyone even thinking about spending hundreds of hours SEARCHING for such a wheel.....don't, you are wasting your time. I can give my view on this subject easily because I have NOTHING to lose by telling you the truth.
A bias wheel TODAY (in general) does NOT exist. Ken
:thumbsup:
You realize, in around 7 hours, this thread might be GONE. Ken
i'll make a new one.
To be honest, yes, progressions are my favorite BUT they are no holy grail, I know that. My point being, AP is not the answer. Maybe flat betting, maybe progressions but not AP. Ken
well, i have yet to see a competent demo of ap. these guys seem pretty fanatical about it, yet they are nowhere to be found when the curtain calls? spare me the drama.
Oh they will show you but you need to book a few plane flights. Even if you did that, they could have 'bad days' and you'll see nothing. While THEY search for a bias wheel and search for DS, I'm playing the game. Do I win everyday? Nope. Ken
I agree 100%!
Do you remember that I posted this some days ago? :)
AP was the ONLY way before 80s...now we are all playing RANDOM
thank god you are here to clear that up jean claud. now i can finally move forward with my life.
The pleasure was all mine...If u will ever need any more help then ask me my little tiny friend! :yahoo:
Th thing about AP is, its not dependable. Even in Billy Walters day, when the wheels were still the old wheels, before they were changed to defeat AP players, Billy said you can find a good table still not come out ahead. Its far far worse these days. You have to have a huge BR to be able to eat the losses until you find a wheel that cooperates. And you may never find one. When somebody brags about all the money they make being an AP player, they're talking about 10-15 years ago, not what they're doing today.
I said it many times. I do agree that some forms of AP *DID* work but many years back. The casinos, decade after decade are not just gonna sit back and not correct the issues. AP is great in theory. Ken
If you ever see a roulette wheel in an old movie, you see the ball drop into a pocket very quickly after it leaves the track. This made it very easy for an AP player to predict where it would fall. Since those days they have flattened out the cone so the ball gently falls and there is a lot more bounce and scatter. And biased wheels are almost non existant in modern casinos. There might be one here and there in some 3rd world craphole, but you would lose your life if you got caught using AP there..
I still say, they love that TITLE....."I'm an advantage player"! :pleasantry: In reality, they are a nobody, hanging on by a thread of memories when they attempted to win, the REAL way. They have NOTHING accept a fancy title that DEMANDS respect. :girl_wacko: Ken
either way, they don't scare me. i'd love to challenge another "ap" in a casino again. they have no skill, only voices in their heads. :girl_wacko:
Quote from: Kyla Shooter on August 06, 2010, 07:07:03 PM
either way, they don't scare me. I'd love to challenge another "ap" in a casino again. they have no skill, only voices in their heads. :girl_wacko:
AP does work. Sometimes. But on a one to one basis, you'll always beat them. Ask any AP person to take you to a casino and give a demo and they'll run the other way as fast as they can. They have no idea when they enter a casino if they'll win or lose. A hell of a way to make a living.
Its amazing how much you guys as non aps knows about ap. Kyla, why don`t you invite those 3 aps to this board to see if they exist at all ? Are they real aps or just wanna bees, its real quick to find out. Get them in here, and we will continue, the fact that you know 3 aps when i after being in the environment for years only knows 4 + 3 from the boards that i have never met in real life, is a bit suspect. Real APs aren`t all over the place as you seems to imply.
The thread says "why ap doesn`t work", i diidn`t quite see the explanation of why it doesn`t works.
The explanation is in my privious Topic kelly...do u remember?
AP is dead..Casinos killed them...including me
Here's how you clear out the system players. You simply issue them a challenge.
Kyla, or Jean Claud,
Let's have a challenge in either LV or AC.
I'll play one of my AP methods (cough), and you play one of your system methods and we'll see just who comes out on top. Loser pays the winner an amount on which we both agree ahead of time.
By the way, you don't have anything to worry about since AP methods don't work.
Ken doesn't have the nerve. Do you? :)
-Herb6
Quote from: Herb6 on August 06, 2010, 08:07:12 PM
Here's how you clear out the system players. You simply issue them a challenge.
Kyla,
Let's have a challenge in either LV or AC.
I'll play one of my AP methods that doesn't work, and you play one of your system methods and we'll see just who comes out on top.
Ken doesn't have the nerve. Do you? :)
-Herb6
pretty c**ky aren't you? the timing couldn't be any better either. my boyfriend and i are on our way to mexico for a few weeks. lucky you! we will be making a stop to vegas on our way down for 4 days. i'll gladly take you up on that challenge and watch you crash and burn, assuming you show up at all. i'll understand if i never see or hear from you! i will send you an email with the dates of my trip and the dates i will be in las vegas. i assume your email in the computer testing thread works?
Number 1, Herb has a long record of never showing up for anything he sets up. 2nd, if by some miracle he did show up, make sure you pick the table and casino. Otherwise Herb will use a ringer that he knows he can win on. He knows how to stack the deck.
I'll gladly take you up on that challenge and watch you crash and burn, assuming you show up at all. I'll understand if I never see or hear from you!>>>
Don't worry, he won't. This is his hobby, making 'lets get together' dates and then having a long list of reasons for not showing up. My favorite is, he saw the guy he was supposed to meet in the casino, but was just too darn busy
playing to go and introduce himself. LOL, who's he kidding..
Its amazing how much you guys as non aps knows about ap.>>>
I know this much. You, Laurance and Snowman are all big AP players. By your own admission, and Laurance's, you rarely play anymore. Laurance said a few months ago on GG that its barely worth the time now, for the amount you make. Snowman claims nothing has changed, yet for years he commented very little on forums because he was gone so much, playng roulette. Now he posts all the time, because the good AP days are gone.
""" Laurance's, you rarely play anymore. Laurance said a few months ago on GG that its barely worth the time now, for the amount you make. Snowman claims nothing has changed, yet for years he commented very little on forums because he was gone so much, playng roulette. Now he posts all the time, because the good AP days are gone. """
I agree...
And Snowman I never said that math systems are better than VB....now days are teh same,all Random!
I have said i rarely play anymore ????? YOU are an AP player ??????
Never mind, as long as i haven`t had a dialog with those 3 so called aps, i refuse to believe they exists and if they do, i refuse to believe they are genuine aps.
I have said I rarely play anymore>>
Many times. You've said your life has changed, you have a full time job and a family to support and you rarely play compared to what you used to do. So is that a lie too?
My big question is, if AP is so wonderful, why don't any of you do it for a living? Kelly has a job, Snowman owns a business, and Laurance says he rarely plays. Sounds like typical hobby to me..
I have 4 kids and have had a family for 20 years thats not a new thing. I had a break from roulette this spring because i was starting a second business and simply didn`t have the time because i kind of had 2 jobs besides looking after the family. The break had nothing to do with changed conditions in the casinos, just that i can`t be in more than one place at a time. Im now just in the new business as "sleeping partner" which means that i in the last 2 months have been back to business as usual. Going pro will neveer be an option as i have stated 100 times. I play 4 - 6 days a month where i don`t work and frankly on day 6 i hate the casino atmosphere so much that i look forward to get back to the real life. I never said it was wonderfull, just that i would never again touch a way of play that didn`t have an advantage.
I play 4 - 6 days a month>>>
I play 4-6 times a week and also don't like casinos. Thats why I get in and get out ASAP. As the old time Vegas players used to say: "Get in, get it done, and get out." I'm sure I spend less time in the casino in 6 visits than you spend in 1.
Of course you do.
I agree Spike. Herb would be a no show. He talks tough on message boards but we all know what it is, JUST TALK. Ken
I could name a few others that just talks.
'Talk' in terms of not showing up? I'll say this that MOST here would agree with me on. If I said I will meet so-n-so at whatever time, I would show. My word counts, unlike Snowjob. Ken
Not trying to be rude but AP (cough) is nothing more than gamblers fallacy, pure and simple. Dont be ashamed, I love gamblers fallacy, big believer in it! Ken
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So whats my point? This is not 1972.
AP players use VB now, bias wheels are few and far between.
Thats fine, another thread. lol Ken
Quote from: Kelly on August 06, 2010, 09:48:58 PM
I have said I rarely play anymore ????? YOU are an AP player ??????
Never mind, as long as I haven`t had a dialog with those 3 so called aps, I refuse to believe they exists and if they do, I refuse to believe they are genuine aps.
the guys were a total joke. i'm sure by your standards they weren't genuine aps. just because i found them to be larry, curly, and moe you automatically assume they weren't genuine. to me it sounds like more excuses. i guess anyone can be an ap until they lose, then they aren't genuine aps? lol :girl_wacko: now i've heard it all.
still waiting for that email reply herb6. i sent you my dates for vegas, and i'm waiting for your excuses.
"anyone can be an ap until they lose" >>> Another classic line! I have to write this stuff down. I'm not trying to be an ass but this is a great quote AND its true. I'm still a method player, even on my losing days. Ken
I've sent you my reply. I'll meet you two there.
Again, don't worry about the challenge, because AP (cough) doesn't work. You'll probably win :)
Which two, what reply? Ken
I sent her a reply via email.
Her and her husband will be there.
You never know Mr. J. and Spike, I might just show up. (Again, or not) :)
According to Spike, I never show up.
We have two separate issues.
A) You actually showing.
B) You doing well playing.
Question for you Snowjob. When you play, are you ONLY using YOUR money? Is your starting BR yours? Do you have backers? Ken
It will be only me.
Yes, this will be only my starting BR.
(If I show) :)
I didn't ask that. The money that you use, is it ALL YOURS? Do you have backers? Ken
I'll re-ask. Other than the challenge, when you play, do you have backers? Ken
Yes, my wife. :)
I do sometimes play with a team as well. A group of people, all investing.
Thank you. Hey, that was only THREE times I had to ask, you're getting better. :thumbsup: Ken
wow, i actually got a response! my boyfriend and i will be there on those dates and it looks like everything is a go. the locations you suggested are also fine. i do have a couple requests for some ground rules.
1. sessions will be played on different wheels, I would like to have choice of 50% of the wheels used.
2. at least some bets will be placed prior to spin. i will not have you avoid betting spins while i plan to bet each spin myself.
3. session time limits must be determined prior to play and not during.
those are my main conditions. the number of sessions played we can decide before we begin. i'm flexible.
Ken,
I've noticed that you like to brag that you make more than most players do at roulette.
Who are these players that you win more than?
I've noticed that you like to brag that you make more than most players do at roulette.
Who are these players that you win more than? >>> I stand behind that. What business is it of yours? Not arguing, just wondering. Ken
i'd also prefer to keep the location private until after the challenge. there is anonimity to consider aswell as party crashers.
1. sessions will be played on different wheels, I would like to have choice of 50% of the wheels used.
2. at least some bets will be placed prior to spin. I will not have you avoid betting spins while I plan to bet each spin myself.
3. session time limits must be determined prior to play and not during.>>>
I can't wait to hear Herb's response to these terms. Like he has any intention of showing up. How do you set a time limit on bias or VB play, you have no idea if you're going to win the next spin, or even any of the next 30.
ROFL....I could ask the same question Herb. I assume you dont think you are LAST in terms of yearly profits? Soooo, who do you make more money over? Same question, same rules. Ken
Ken,
When will you be posting those names of the players that you win more than?
You've made the claim, so tell us the posters that you win more than, so we can decide if you're full of it or not. :)
FYI,
I don't talk about how much I win or don't win in terms of money. I don't brag. I don't tell people that I win more than they do like you do. It's called humility.
Kyla,
One more requirement. We must play for no less than 500 spins. My preference would in fact be 800 spins.
WHEN WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION? >>> Do you think you are LAST (regular members) in terms of yearly profits on VLS and GG? Ken
I don't talk about how much I win or don't win in terms of money. >>
Herb, herb, Herb. How many times have we talked on Yahoo chat? Thats ALL you talk about, how much you bet, your lines of credit, who your casino host is. Are you joking? Its extremely important to you. You bring it up every time we speak.
Quote from: Herb6 on August 07, 2010, 05:05:21 AM
Kyla,
One more requirement. We must play for no less than 500 spins. My preference would in fact be 800 spins.
more money for me. 800 is fine.
My preference would in fact be 800 spins.>>>
Thats about 20 hours if everything goes smoothly. I usually play less than 100 and make my goal. Get real, VB sucks bananas..
Kyla, all I can say is: You are going to meet one of the world's TOP roulette pros. You're lucky to have this opportunity.
Listen, watch, and learn. :)
So let me understand this. 20 hours straight in each casino, you can't bet after the dealer releases the ball sometimes, you each pick different casinos.
Sniff sniff, when something is rotten in Denmark, what does it smell like again? I swear I'm getting a whiff..
Kyla, all I can say is: You are going to meet one of the world's TOP roulette pros. You're lucky to have this opportunity.
Listen, watch, and learn. >>> Oh boy, here we go.
Ok Kyla...I'll have at least half or more of my bets placed BEFORE the ball spins.
Quote from: NS on August 07, 2010, 05:13:20 AM
Kyla, all I can say is: You are going to meet one of the world's TOP roulette pros. You're lucky to have this opportunity.
Listen, watch, and learn. :)
blah blah blah
Wow. . .
Can we get a hint when this challenge will happen? Ken
WHEN WILL YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION SNOWJOB? >>> Do you think you are LAST (regular members) in terms of yearly profits on VLS and GG? Its a simple YES or NO, nothing tricky. Ken
Let me get this straight. Kyla starts posting 6 days ago, trashes VB, magically is going to be in Vegas at the same time as Herb, agrees to 20+ hour sessions at the same table, on mulriple table no less. Why why, its amazing. Its no less than astounding. Sniff sniff, did somebody leave rat on the heater again? I swear I'm smelling :haha: a rat.
And who travels to Mexico with a dire Gov't warning in place to stay the hell away from there? Just curious..
Sorry Ken,
How much I've won or lost is none of your business. I don't talk about it on roulette forums.
Feel free to tell us how great you are some more. :)
it either you or MrJ is my suspician>>>
Noooo, Steve can easily check our IP's to answer that. Nice try.
QuoteAnd who travels to Mexico with a dire Gov't warning in place to stay the hell away from there? Just curious
Goood question. lol
I'd rather go to the Virgin Islands. :)
Herb, if you suspect its me or Ken, why are bothering with any of this? You don't make any sense.
Because neither of you would show. :)
I won't waste my time with any of this stuff, until I get the phone call from her proving that she is for real.
I agree with Spike 100%. Its fake, made up. Made to make Herb look great! This was done too fast, too much coincidence involved. You are sinking to NEW lows Herb. Ken
Conmen are usually the most concerned about being conned.
@Kyla: I don't like your attitude. I'd say you're Viper (aka Jean Claude) if your English wasn't good.
Spike, there is a cat getting into my garbage out back, do i have your permission to chase it away? lol! get over it buddy. i'm pretty sure i can handle myself and my safety. i'm not even an american. it's actually safe to travel abroad when the world doesn't hate you.
"How much I've won or lost is none of your business" >>> I didn't ask that. Please STICK to my question, stop drifting. Ken
@ Herb >> Why would Spike and I set you up and then REVEAL our plot to you? lol Wouldn't we watch you squirm and have a good laugh? Ken
Can we get a hint when this challenge will happen? Ken
I need some way to verify that you're going to show Kyla. I sense a run around.
Spike is mentally challenged, but he makes a point. I'm going to have to hear from you via phone before I take you seriously.
August Mr. J.
@NS >> You are correct. Its not even a female. Its a regular from here TRYING to endorse Herb/AP in the near future. I cant detect this? Like I'm a fu***n rookie here? People love to make up fake user names. I personally dont get it, I guess its not my thing. Ken
"I sense a run around" >>> ROFL, I guess we agree on that! :haha: Ken
ok. i'll phone you tomorrow if you email me a phone number. i'd prefer not to give out mine at this time. i can assure you that i'm real.
by the sounds of it you guys must need nightlights to get to bed. lol :lol:
You try to be tricky Herb. I ask you something and you answer to a completely DIFFERENT question. I did NOT ask you to reveal your personal information. I asked (next post).....
Do you think you are LAST (regular members) in terms of yearly profits on VLS and GG? Its a simple YES or NO, nothing tricky. Ken
This whole thing is a setup farce. And not even a good one. I'm outa here, let Herb have his fantasy. He knows he can't prove anything to a real person, so he makes one up who sounds just like him. Astonishing.
"Hmmmmmm..... I'm dead last. Why?" >>> Again, not reading the question. I did not say you are dead last. Ken
Do you think you are LAST (regular members) in terms of yearly profits on VLS and GG? Its a simple YES or NO, nothing tricky. Ken
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In reality, I am a nobody, hanging on by a thread of memories when I attempted to win, the REAL way. I have NOTHING accept a fancy title that DEMANDS respect. :)
Lucky for me, I have an organ grinder and a pet monkey. I play, he collects the money since I'm blind. :)
Herb, you suck at answering questions. Do you know why you suck? Because I am damn good at asking questions. Thats what I do, thats my job. How do you think a person looks if they dont answer something? Think about it. Usually (not always) it looks like the person is HIDING something, so they change the subject, delete the question, crack a funny joke or ignore the question all together. Ken
Do you think you are LAST (regular members) in terms of yearly profits on VLS and GG? Its a simple YES or NO, nothing tricky. Ken
Ok thats cool and the answer to my question is.....? Ken
@Snowjob >> Do you think you are LAST (regular members) in terms of yearly profits on VLS and GG? Its a simple YES or NO, nothing tricky. <<< You see folks, do you notice that he has stopped asking me the same question? He stopped because I asked him the same damn thing. Herb NEVER follows the same rules. He never has and never will. Ken
Another question for you Herb. You'll probably lie but I'll give it a shot >>> Have you asked Brian in the last few months to be moderator in the general section at GG? Ken
Herb, if you cant answer YES or NO questions, how in the heck are you gonna answer detailed ones? lol >>> Another question for you Herb. You'll probably lie but I'll give it a shot >>> Have you asked Brian in the last few months to be moderator in the general section at GG? Ken
Quote from: Herb6 on August 07, 2010, 04:59:09 AM
Ken,
When will you be posting those names of the players that you win more than?
You've made the claim, so tell us the posters that you win more than, so we can decide if you're full of it or not. :)
FYI,
I don't talk about how much I win or don't win in terms of money. I don't brag. I don't tell people that I win more than they do like you do. It's called humility.
Nice post Herb6, thanks.
I believe I am on Ken's list... :-[
Snowman and Kelly
If you had the money to open a Casino ,with the knowlwdje that you already have about AP,would you ever allow to have wheels with Dominand Drop points ,or High Frets,or would you use heavy Balls,or would you advice the dealers to spin the rotor with constand speed? OFCOURCE NOT!!!!! I for sure wouldn t!
What makes you think that Casinos know less than YOU???? Its their Busseness .... its their Million money operations they have professional consults like Barnet!
They would never let some ppl with knowledje and skills take their money anymore...because they KNOW everything that you know!!!!!
"I believe I am on Ken's list" >>> You are but so what? Its nothing bad, not a big deal. If you think you NET more than me (roulette), cool, I dont care. Ken ((Still waiting for Snowjob to answer my questionS))
"they KNOW everything that you know"......AND MORE. More than any of us on these boards will ever know. Ken
Jean Claude, you are in London. I suggest you take a little stroll round your backyard. Leave Bayswater out.
Kyla, i don`t care if they won or lost, i only got your words for them to be AP`s and i know how hard it is to carry out the real thing in the casino so if they claim to be AP`s i will pretty fast know if they are DVD AP`s (where did that word come from) or the real thing if i have a little friendly chat with them. That is if they exist of course.
Kelly If u could win with VB u wouldn t have to have a 2 Jobs :o....in fact u wouldn t have to have a job...
u have 2 jobs...Imagine!!!!
QuoteIf you had the money to open a Casino ,with the knowlwdje that you already have about AP,would you ever allow to have wheels with Dominand Drop points ,or High Frets,or would you use heavy Balls,or would you advice the dealers to spin the rotor with constand speed? OFCOURCE NOT!!!!! I for sure wouldn t!
What makes you think that Casinos know less than YOU? Its their Busseness .... its their Million money operations they have professional consults like Barnet!
They would never let some ppl with knowledje and skills take their money anymore...because they KNOW everything that you know!!!!!
I won't say how to counter.
You also give casinos way too much credit. Casinos really aren't run like a high tech millitary. They are run and operate more like the parks and recreation department in a large and poorly run city. They just have lots of cameras recording 24/7. Many of the casino consultants are simply hucksters that couldn't make it playing AP for very long. Bill Zender is an exception. He's very experienced and isn't a former AP player. Consultants learn from AP players after the fact, not before.
Another question for you Herb. You'll probably lie but I'll give it a shot >>> Have you asked Brian in the last few months to be moderator in the general section at GG? Ken
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QuoteAnother question for you Herb. You'll probably lie but I'll give it a shot >>> Have you asked Brian in the last few months to be moderator in the general section at GG? Ken
No Ken,
I'm just being asked to ban you, by several different members.
In short, they want you and Spike gone because you bring the forum down with your manic posting. They aren't happy with the way you and Spike act like attention whores. You guys attempt to take over every thread. Everytime someone posts a thread, in you two jump, assuming the thread is just about you.
You've driven off good people like Turbo Genius, and other system programmers and testers. People like Kelly, Laurance, Bliss, and Grab are also more reluctant to post when you guys get on your manic rants as well.
Do you think these people for one minute believe that that you and Spike are successful players?
Pathetic posters that dream about playing is how they view you two.
-Herb
"I'm just being asked to ban you, by several different members" >>> The ole', "the members have spoken routine". You TYPE of people sure take the EASY way out. I ask questions Snowman, you dont answer. You asked me to stick to that ONE thread (at GG) ripping you and I am sticking to it. I've never met someone like you before. I know other MODS similar to you but you are an original.
You are one that hides. You make things up and I make up NOTHING. You and I are very different. You are aware of fake user names, a fake challenge and you claim, TONS and TONS of members emailing you asking to ban me. lol You are different sir, I will say that. You just posted, NO, you did not ask Brian to be a mod at the general section. Even if you are lying, I dont care. It took around 10 times, me asking you. Just answer questions, what is the harm?
I'm not asking for bank info, your home address, your phone number etc. Would it be an issue if I started a thread at GG? I'll ask TURBO (or I can email him), Bliss, Grab, Laurance, Jugs etc. if they will NOT post because of me? Can I start that thread, what would be the problem with that? (I know what the problem would be, lol). Sorry Herb but you lie man. Lying and hiding and deleting is all you have in your bag of tricks bro. Sorry but its TRUE. Ken
QuoteAnother question for you Herb. You'll probably lie but I'll give it a shot >>> Have you asked Brian in the last few months to be moderator in the general section at GG? Ken
Quote from: Herb6 on August 07, 2010, 01:34:25 PM
No Ken,
I'm just being asked to ban you, by several different members.
In short, they want you and Spike gone because you bring the forum down with your manic posting. They aren't happy with the way you and Spike act like attention whores. You guys attempt to take over every thread. Everytime someone posts a thread, in you two jump, assuming the thread is just about you.
You've driven off good people like Turbo Genius, and other system programmers and testers. People like Kelly, Laurance, Bliss, and Grab are also more reluctant to post when you guys get on your manic rants as well.
Do you think these people for one minute believe that that you and Spike are successful players?
Pathetic posters that dream about playing is how they view you two.
-Herb
Herb / snowman, you need to include yourself. You demand that you are always correct. You never stop busting into threads and having your say also. Pot-Kettle-Black moment...
Yep Gizmo but WAIT WAIT....its different cause he has the power. If I owned a site or was a mod, I could never never never act the way Snowjob, Poit, Bombus and 4 others act, I couldn't do it man. I could not be bias like that and then HIDE behind, "the members have spoken". Yeah, I'll ban AP guys so the word of methods/progressions gets out more. ROFL I couldn't do it. Ken
"You've driven off good people" >>> You do realize that posters will be reading this? lol Bottom line Snowjob, you want to spread the AP word and thats a *F*A*C*T*, not an opinion. Anything/anyone in the way.....well, you know the rest. Sounds very familiar to someone else. lol If so-n-so gets in the way....MOVE the person out of the way. Not very original and it makes you look pretty damn BIAS. No way!! Bias here? Bias at RF? Bias at GG? ROFL Its a good thing this is not a religious war, I would be dead. Whatever it takes to BLOCK the word. Ken
I don`t HAVE to have 2 jobs and i don`t HAVE 2 jobs. I have my business that i have had for 20 years and i helped someone financially and practically start another business. I have never considered roulette more interesting than my business, but i like roulette and the challenge it is to see how much i can get away with if i find an opportunity.
Like i say, go look in your backyard and see what you find. Im kind of surprised you haven`t done that already. Im quite aware that you might not last long if your MO is to play with large stakes, staring in the wheel and handing your chips to the dealer for the racetrack. I do it a little clever than that.
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Here you go Ken. Just climb up and nail yourself to it. Do it to save everyone from AP. Sacrifice yourself.
HAHA!!! Kelly
U don t know ma man so how can u make conclusions?
I have 2 Casinos near by (and I don t live in England)...so I have total around 60 wheels!
From all these 60 wheels only 1 WAS tilted (and not in 1 DD but in 2...but thank God they were next to each other and I played the 2 pin advantahe game) and the scatter wasn t do good,but it is OK....
I played 4 times in this wheel with the minimum stakes (5 euros)because I am not rich.All the 4 times I won.
Then I beautifull night the wheel was GONE!!!!And after about a week the Casinos both eof them changed ALL their wheels with brand new ones with lower frets!!!!!!
So now what do I have to do??? Travel to an other country? :lol:
VB is for rich ppl that don t have anything else to do and they are OBSESSED with the visual prediction...
I am NOT rich and I am not willing to travel to other countries and obsearving wheels.....
I GOT the SKILLS...but I don t have the conditions!
For example I just saw in the live online casino "casinoeuro" the live wheel...
All the spins are Anticlockwise and the wheel is HEAVY TILTED in the 12 DD....
7 of 10 in the same D.....
I have never saw a wheel like that in a Real casino(60 wheels) only in Video spins ...lol
And as u can understand in this live online casinio U CAN T bet after the spin......
So were are the conditions??? show me the wheel and I will make u a forune with 100 chips BR.
Casinos aren t stupd..or uninformed
iN MY CASINOS even if I will cheat and create a TILT I can t win because of the wild scatter...the balls are like very ligh RUBBER.....when it strike to the 1st number it is jumping 1 or2 or 3 times round the hole rotor like there is no tommorow............hahahahaha ...and i don t include the rollers!
VB WAS OK BEFORE THE 1980
The real accomplisment would be a Math-probability advantage system that can overcome the odds!
And u woudl be able to play it in all the wheels.... (like SPIKE does!....hahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I know that it can t exist...this is what logic tells...but noone knows....a lot of things has been descovered
And Herb cracks a joke telling me to nail myself to a cross and......thats ok? Different rules for different people, hey Herb? "save everyone from AP" >>> There's the difference. Non-AP guys dont care if you are into AP. AP guys DO CARE if you are not into AP, thats the DIFFERENCE between the two. Question for you Herb, which we all know you won't answer >>> Why do you care so much that some people play methods? So what, what is the big issue? Are you involved in SALES somehow cause thats the ONLY thing I can think of. Ken
Mr J
There is No need to attack Herb6
He is a decent man with nice skills in VB and bias.
He is old and I belive that in the past he had made great money with AP.
The only reason that he cares about the ppl that are playing methods is because he has a nice hart and he doesn t like ppl to lose their money.in other words he is trying to open their eyes.
But in mu opinion it isn t also correct to advice ppl to start learning AP methods because they can t win nowdays also.
it is you J that u have a mental problem because u are claiming that u are winning with other methods then AP.
Well i must have confused you with someone else. I thought you were Jafco friend and from London, never mind.
Jean Claude, it sounds like you need 1 DD to play, so there certainly will be a long walk between the wheels. I can`t and won`t change your mind on AP and doesn`t sound like you have a lot of wheels under your belt so lets just end it here, it seems we make no progress.
"u are claiming that u are winning with other methods then AP" >>> That is the EXACT claim that Herb dishes out. Its either AP or nothing. What is it with you AP people? lol People play methods.....leave the method players ALONE, is this difficult? You can NOT advise to leave Herb alone but then CONDONE insulting others!! Also, I have offered Herb a truce and guess what your BUDDY said in reply? "I might not rape you after all Ken" <<< This is the guy you protect? This is a non-bias mod? This is a fair guy? This is a decent guy? "he has a nice hart and he doesn t like ppl to lose their money.in other words he is trying to open their eyes" >>> I have the RIGHT to turn down his 'help', correct? Thats the OTHER issue with AP guys. They are here to save us all. :girl_wacko: Ken
"I can't and won`t change your mind on AP" >>> I am confused, can someone help? lol So Jean-Claud is not into AP but Herb is great at AP.......and Jean-Claud has no interest in it? I dont follow? It seems he is on both sides of the fence, please advise. Ken
@Kelly >> Let me ask you a serious question, no BS. You are into AP, fine. Do you CARE or lose sleep that others are not interested in AP, they play methods, so what? Curious what you think. Ken
KELLY why don t u read all the letters that I am posting in my posts? :lol:
U said :Jean Claude, it sounds like you need 1 DD to play
I have already posted above that I WAS WINNING in a wheel with 2 DDS!!!!!!!!
I can play the 2pin game greatly!!! Underatood now???But this wheel is desapiared! Can u reread what I did post u???
Give me conditions and I can take adbantage ge of 3 pins also(with less margin ofcource)
Here the most problem is Scatter...but tilt isn t an easy thing too!
Mr J
The real question is CAN U WIN WITHOUT AN AP METHOD?
No J, i don`t lose sleep on it but i have a hard time following your ap crusade. Is professional poker players going to lose to the fish because they know the odds better and play there high probability chances better than the fish ? Its basicly what you are saying, where the real agenda is actually snows board behaviour you don`t fancy.
Keep going, i won`t bug you but it sure as hell is boring to read your same posts all over all the boards again and again. Gotta go, Jean Claude i actually have a wheel waiting for me. 2.5 DD`s...........a bit diffycult, yep. But i will live.
Kelly read above what I posted to u and also read ur pms
And in the casino be carefull not to lose the revolution...hahahaha!!
NO person on earth would have to work if he had a steady way to make money from Roulette
Jean Claude if you can play a 3 pin game you can also find a beatable wheel. The scatter is not that diffycult on all wheels/balls. Gotta go.
"No J, I don`t lose sleep on it" >>> Thanks for answering Kelly, so it does NOT bother you that I play methods. You see Herb, Kelly answered a question. Ken
Yes it is not that deficult if it Jumps 3 times the rotor all the way without being a spinner...lol
Can you answer this Jean-Claud? (or Kelly) >>> "I can't and won`t change your mind on AP" >>> I am confused, can someone help? lol So Jean-Claud is not into AP but Herb is great at AP.......and Jean-Claud has no interest in it? I dont follow? It seems he is on both sides of the fence, please advise. Ken
"The real question is CAN U WIN WITHOUT AN AP METHOD?" >>> lol, Can I? I do and AGAIN, why is it ODD (or important to you) that I win without AP? What is it with you people? AP is not a religion. Some of you AP guys are very, very protective of AP, my God. PEOPLE PLAY METHODS.......SO WHAT? You lose NOTHING if I play methods, why care? Ken
OK here is all the answers that u need Mr J.
Yes I know how to beat a wheel with VB(AP).
No I don t play anymore because the wheels don t have the right conditions for the AP to work.
Herb6 was making some cash in the past mostly with Bias and less with VB...Now he is NOT.
AP is the ONLY way to win in the long term.But thats why Casinos took care of it.
And finally if u are claimong that u can win without VB or BIAS then u are telling Bullshit!
"Yes I know how to beat a wheel with VB(AP)" >>> I didn't ask you that. "AP is the ONLY way to win in the long term. But thats why Casinos took care of it" >>> You have to watch your wording. So you mean AP *WAS* the way to play, in the past? Not NOW because 'the casinos took care of it'.
"Herb6 was making some cash in the past mostly with Bias and less with VB...Now he is NOT" >>> So how does Herb play now?
"u are claimong that u can win without VB or BIAS then u are telling Bullshit!" >>> I respect your opinion sir. Ken
@Herb >>> Did you call Kyla yet? Ken
Yes, you can win with some luck for a brief while. In the long run, luck loses out to the house edge as it dominates the game.
To win in the long run, you must gain the edge.
QuoteJean-Claud wrote, "Herb6 was making some cash in the past mostly with Bias and less with VB...Now he is NOT."
According to whom?
"In the long run, luck loses out to the house edge as it dominates the game" >>> Thats cool, I'll wait for that. Ken
@Jean-Claud >>> I just thought of this. You are against methods (no problem) and AP does not work in TODAYS casinos. What is your method of choice? Ken
@Herb >>> Did you call Kyla yet? Ken
No. I'm shocked too. I never received your/Spike call.
MrJ
Yes u said everything correct.
As for what is my method ...I DON T HAVE ANY....so I haven t played Roulette since they removed the wheel that I was doing VB,because I don t like gumbling.
Now I am just searching and exploring and testing....
If u really have a method that U can win ... then well done....But I don t think that there is any....
Now if u will ask me why I am searching ....u can call me a Roulette explorer Junkie. :)
Quote from: Herb6 on August 07, 2010, 06:30:21 PM
No. I'm shocked too. I never received your/Spike call.
If you walk by a mirror, Herb, Kyla will be staring back at you.
The challenge is off? :girl_wacko: No way! Ken
I wanna hang out with Ken one of these days. Dude, I'll come to the US and let's hang out. I'll buy you a beer. Anything to get you off these forums for a couple f**king hours.
Just don't try to have sex with me.
Quote from: NS on August 07, 2010, 05:21:44 AM
Wow. . .
NS, are you still excited about the challenge? Don't you wish it was you meeting your hero?
Quote from: Herb6 on August 07, 2010, 06:30:21 PM
No. I'm shocked too. I never received your/Spike call.
wtf! i left you a message. you ask me to call, i do exactly that, then you come on here and say i didn't? is everyone here an idiot?
This post is on such low life level that it becomes rididulus.
First of all i can admit that a RC wish you take a sampels of clicks to measuring ball movment is not accurate to have as reference for later to key 2 rev.
The nature of the spin devlopment is more advance topic and that.
Then to key ball is not an issue any more for a true AP wish easy with head count can be deadly accurate from key the norm to smack.
That is with out any tools as thumper and based upon pure advance head count.
There is even does who key the norm using sound and experience to capture the momentum.
10.43
10.33
10.25
10.44
You are full of stupid ideas about things you have no clue about and you have no idea what you are talking about.
Then there is the issue of tilt and 2 pin game or above wish aslo is far beyound your knowledge.
O_o
oh, okay. thanks for explaining it.
"Just don't try to have sex with me" >>> Why not? A holes a hole. >:D Ken
Quote from: Herb6 on August 07, 2010, 06:04:22 PM
According to whom?
According to Chuck (nickname Chuck Lebear) you were playing VB in LV. Oh yes recording tons of spins looking for that wonderful bias wheel. What about the T-shirts you used to wear in the spare time? Those with Herb logo about a VB team.
If you have an edge it is because Chuck taught you how to gain it. But you should know i taught Chuck first lol.
Whether im mistaken about him teaching you such winning strategy then if you are still friends and playing together, he has "missed" explaining it to you. Ask him whether im lying or not.
Well as he is not much of a reliable person it could be possible he denied it just out of shame.
Regards,
Carlos.
"According to Chuck (nickname Chuck Lebear)" >>> That guy is a friend of mine. He's even from my home town. Ken
Yes MrJ? What can i say? Big man!!!, over six feet. Is he doing well? I expect so. By chance if you meet him give him and Nancy my regards, please.
Carlos.
Can I assume the challenge is a bust? I think I missed my calling in life. I should of been an FBI profiler. :sarcastic: Ken
I won't ask, I took a vow. We'll see how long he lasts. Ken
QuoteAP works . Just ask Herb/ or Snowman . He and his league of math uncles know best.
Exactly :thumbsup:
herb6 i am phoning you now.
49 seconds?
he didn't answer last time i called. you are reading way to much into this ken. it's sad.
So NOW is the date set up for the challenge? You guys were in chat. Ken
I drink Ensure so I don't forget.
Man is it tough for me to hold back! :spiteful:
after speaking on the phone, a date and location has been set for meeting. some of the details have been set, but not all the terms have been agreed to. Herb's "my way or high way" crap didn't fly with me so we are still at a bit of an impass. I'm still going to show up though.
Quote from: Kyla Shooter on August 08, 2010, 06:07:38 PM
after speaking on the phone, a date and location has been set for meeting. some of the details have been set, but not all the terms have been agreed to. Herb's "my way or high way" stuff didn't fly with me so we are still at a bit of an impass. I'm still going to show up though.
Is this baloneyfest still going on? Kyla is Noble Savage who is in cahoots with Herb to run a scam on us. Yawn. :( :( :(
Let me take a guess who kicks a** in the challenge. Whats the over/under for Herbs net? $1,600? (Not rippin you Herb, just throwing that out there) Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 08, 2010, 06:34:21 PM
Let me take a guess who kicks a** in the challenge. Whats the over/under for Herbs net? $1,600? (Not rippin you Herb, just throwing that out there) Ken
The only 'challenge' is getting us to believe this setup garbage. It ain't workin so far..
What Herb does not get. Screw everyone who does not believe him, I know I dont care regarding myself. If you are doing well, who cares what others think? Ya dont need a fake challenge. Ken
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on August 08, 2010, 08:20:22 PM
This " kyla" just posted at John Patrick in reference for the best strategy in a roulette tournament .
And Herb just posted on GG about JP, something he never does. Still think Herb and Kyla aren't related?
the only relation I have to herb6 is this challenge. that's it. spike can just put up or shut up.
The challenge stands little chance of happening because Kyla can't agree on the terms. How about you Spike? Care to step up to the plate in her place? :)
FYI, I'm not coming to Middleville, Michigan either. Vegas or AC only.
Quote from: Herb6 on August 08, 2010, 09:13:02 PM
The challenge stands little chance of happening because Kyla can't agree on the terms. How about you Spike? Care to step up to the plate in her place? :)
FYI, I'm not coming to Middleville, Michigan either. Vegas or AC only.
are you kidding me? you are the one who's being a total jerk about it. "i'll only accept if i play on one wheel in a casino of my both my choosing" wtf is that all about? i told you from the start that i wanted choice of half of the wheels in play. that's only fair, but not to you. you have all these other conditions that make a challenge impossible. i thought we had it settled for a bit, but then you keep changing your mind and the conditions whenever we get close to an agreement. unreal.
Care to step up to the plate in her place? >>>
I don't do tests, I don't do challenges, no reason to, Kyla. Er Herb. Who cares, they're one and the same.
Quote from: Spike! on August 08, 2010, 06:23:48 PM
Kyla is Noble Savage who is in cahoots with Herb to run a scam on us. Yawn.
Quote from: Spike! on August 08, 2010, 10:12:31 PM
Kyla. Er Herb. Who cares, they're one and the same.
I'm Kyla, or Herb is Kyla? Make up your mind. ::)
Quote from: Kyla Shooter on August 08, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
are you kidding me? you are the one who's being a total jerk about it. ... wtf is that all about?
With all due respect, you need to relax a little. ::)
...Another ridiculous thread in this sorryass forum.
Quote from: NS on August 08, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
I'm Kyla, or Herb is Kyla? Make up your mind. ::)
With all due respect, you need to relax a little. ::)
...Another ridiculous thread in this sorryass forum.
Herb tells NS that he better chime is, and he does, right on cue.. Wink wink ???
So Herb is me? I'm Kyla? or the three of us are the same person? Make up your mind.
I couldn't care less about this challenge or whatever you people are doing here. But it's funny how you started throwing speculations all over the place. It's like you're so worried that this challenge takes place.
I don't care what you'll say, but I bet you're jealous of Herb/Snowman. ;D
He's successful, and all you got is a slowass long con.
So Herb is me? I'm Kyla?>>>
Who knows, the whole thing stinks of a setup. Snif sniff, yup I smell a great big rat..
1. Who cares if system and advantage players dont agree on what is best? The person who's winning is correct, and happier.
2. I know who Kyla is, and they have multiple fake names here, and yes they have been banned before. But I wont bother banning them as there's a challenge going on. Kyla, stick to ONE username and please dont break the rules again or the result will be the same.
Systems or AP.. which is best? Regardless, there is one universal truth: "To beat roulette, you MUST increase the accuracy of predictions". It is unavoidable. How do you do this? Many ways. Most people make the mistake of thinking there are no usable patterns unless there's a dominant diamond - in reality, predictable patterns are unavoidable in the long term. The extent varies immensely, but overcoming a 2.5% edge against you is really not hard to do. But certainly boring and time consuming work. Systems typically dont address the core issue of accuracy and unfair payouts, but they are easy and fun to use. If people have systems that are earning them a living, good on them really, but I would be inclined to believe their success so far is just luck. With roulette xtreme, it is not hard to find a segment of 10,000+ spins where betting black yields a profit. Not many people play 10,000+ spins in their life.
I'm one of the people that earn a living from AP. Whether or not people believe it, I sincerely couldnt give a rats arse. I do care when people attack my integrity though which is why I do things like public validations. I dont fully understand the debate of AP vs system play - but again it comes down to the universal truth about beating roulette (increasing accuracy). Why some people would rather use progression and mathematics to figure out where the ball will land is beyond me. I prefer physics. Maybe I'm dumb - maybe I dont know any better. That's possible. Either way, I'm content with what my players achieve. The day I find a "system" that works (not AP) is the day I start applying it over AP.
Quote from: NS on August 08, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
...Another ridiculous thread in this sorryass forum.
Ha! You'll be the one with the sorryass once Mr J is finished with ya... :haha: :lol: ;D :lol:
Just to clear something up:
Kyla Shooter = GrellianMonk = DAVEY-JONES
100% sure
Quote from: Steve on August 09, 2010, 12:11:57 AM
Just to clear something up:
Kyla Shooter = GrellianMonk = DAVEY-JONES
100% sure
According to Herb, him and Davey Jones are tight and even met in Vegas last month. Told ya it was a setup. Do a search and you'll see Herb going on and on about how smart DaveyJones is
Busted... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
WARNING TO HERB:
Kyla said:
Quotepretty c**ky aren't you? the timing couldn't be any better either. my boyfriend and I are on our way to mexico for a few weeks.
Considering Kyla has a ding-dang-doodle, I'm concerned about this red word especially if Herb prefers girls.
Quote from: Steve on August 09, 2010, 12:51:33 AM
WARNING TO HERB:
Kyla said:
Considering Kyla has a ding-dang-doodle, I'm concerned about this red word especially if Herb prefers girls.
:haha: :lol: :haha: :lol: :haha: :lol:
Too funny. I knew Davey was friggin smart! I love it! ;D
Touché Davey!!! Truly evil!!! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Good luck doing it again. ;D
Quote from: Herb6 on August 09, 2010, 01:03:30 AM
Too funny. I knew Davey was friggin smart! I love it! ;D
Touché Davey!!! Truly evil!!! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Good luck doing it again. ;D
Nice try, Herbie. You SPOKE to him on the phone today, did he fake a womans voice? Did you? I called this as a scam from the gitgo. And not even a good one.
Spike,
Davey is clearly too smart for you. ;D
I have an idea, let's have Davey take on both Spike and Mr. J out there in LV :yahoo: :yahoo:
Cya in LV Davey!!! I'm buying dinner! ;D ;D ;D
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So is there an actual challenge or not? Is there a reason for Davey to still have his alias account, or the other one?
PS - Davey, I'm neutral here - just moderating a forum and multiple accounts reduces forum integrity.
That has to be the worst attempt at a scam I've ever seen. None of it was belivable because Herb agreed to everything too fast. He usually never agrees to anything. Davey is so smart he got banned. Yeah, a real fricking brainiac..
Quote from: Steve on August 09, 2010, 01:33:57 AM
So is there an actual challenge or not? Is there a reason for Davey to still have his alias account, or the other one?
PS - Davey, I'm neutral here - just moderating a forum and multiple accounts reduces forum integrity.
Steve, it was a poor attempt at a scam by Snowman. He wants crdibility sooooo badly he was going to fake a meeting in Vegas so the he could brag that he won big in fron of a witness. Pretty transparent.
"I know who Kyla is, and they have multiple fake names here, and yes they have been banned before" >>> Damn I'm good! Spike and I were talking about this 36 hours ago, via email. I said this in an earlier post....you guys are too easy to spot. You go straight to the SAME person you dont like and attack. You post in the same style, same wording etc., this isn't tough. Hey Steve....I bet I know another 'recent' fake poster here. Its on the tip of my tongue but I'll let it go. Ken
"Davey is clearly too smart for you" >>> Smart enough to get banned? Hmmm
"Too funny. I knew Davey was friggin smart! I love it!" >>> So Herb, does that mean Spike and I get an apology from you? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 09, 2010, 02:09:57 AM
"I know who Kyla is, and they have multiple fake names here, and yes they have been banned before" >>> Damn I'm good! Spike and I were talking about this 36 hours ago, via email. I said this in an earlier post....you guys are too easy to spot. You go straight to the SAME person you dont like and attack. You post in the same style, same wording etc., this isn't tough. Hey Steve....I bet I know another 'recent' fake poster here. Its on the tip of my tongue but I'll let it go. Ken
Its obvious what happened. Both Davey and Herb have it in for you so they tried to run a scam. What hilarious is Ken and I emailed each other at almost the same time saying it stank and was a setup. No kidding.. We should have let it run, Kyla would have reported from Vegas that Herb was the best player ever and had been seen in the restroom and was the biggest 'man' ever. LOL!
"Nice try, Herbie. You SPOKE to him on the phone today, did he fake a womans voice?" >>> Good point Spike. So Herb says he knows nothing about the scam BUT talked to 'her' on the phone? ROFL
@Herb >> Listen, lets say you do well playing roulette (its pretend, work with me on this) why care what others think? You go to such extremes to SHOW people you are king, who cares bro? You or Bombus (etc) can rip me all you want, I'm not about to get others involved with fake user names. :good: Ken
"Herb was the best player ever" >>> It could of been funnier. With the PMs Kyla sent me asking to use my method(s). THEN it would of been......not only did Herb kick a** but he did it against my method(s), even BETTER for him. Two birds, one stone! :girl_wacko: Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 09, 2010, 02:24:20 AM
"Herb was the best player ever" >>> It could of been funnier. With the PMs Kyla sent me asking to use my method(s). THEN it would of been......not only did Herb kick a** but he did it against my method(s), even BETTER for him. Two birds, one stone! :girl_wacko: Ken
Kyla sent you PM's? I forget you're the reason she got banned. Did she come on to you in the PM's?
Sorry Steve this time you're wrong. I've met Kyla Shooter and this is a picture of her.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi499.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Frr351%2Fskakus%2Ffile013.jpg&hash=752db77abf3aa27a2c6e9958e90f6937cee81ed4)
WOW! Just Herb's type when he's in Vegas. I see a budding romance for sure... :yes: :yes: :yes:
G'day,
Bombus, with red hair, it could be Julia Gillard!!
Glenn.
Holy cr*p that's wrong on so many levels bombus
lmao! good one Davey. I had a sneaky suspicion it was you. ;D
So Spike, what is my role in all of this again? :whistle:
Quote from: Mr J on August 09, 2010, 02:12:16 AM
Smart enough to get banned? Hmmm
Come on. This and the monk guy was funny stuff. He fooled y'all for a moment.
Who knows what the next one will be? ;D
PS: @jealous spike: Herb has nothing to do with this, it's clearly Davey's work and it's entertaining. To me at least. ;D
"Who knows what the next one will be?" >>> I'll let you know within 20 minutes when it happens. These guys suck at being tricky. "PS: @jealous spike: Herb has nothing to do with this" >>> What about my question? If Herb had nothing to do with it, how did a FEMALE talk to him on the phone? Let me guess, it was a friend of DJ who talked to Herb, come on. There was no phone convo and Herb and DJ BOTH thought they would pull one over on me. Why, I have no idea. Boredom? Ken
Dont forget, this is the same DJ with the FAKE email about me. Jeez....fake emails, fake user names, a fake challenge etc. UNREAL. Ken
What the hell are you talking about? About you?
I'm Marven, aka.
Noble
Savage, I'm using the SAME email address I've always used.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Farchivos.metatube.com%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Fpics%2Fgallery_pic_2865_31332.jpg&hash=25ffa5b6ee6ab6bba6595bbbd58fe4dc50ae4917)
Don't say you didn't start this.
Quote from: Mr J on August 09, 2010, 07:00:39 AM
I'll let you know within 20 minutes when it happens. These guys suck at being tricky.
No, you're not that smart. You were buying it, until this challenge thing when things became obvious.
Quote from: Mr J on August 09, 2010, 07:03:01 AM
fake emails, fake user names, a fake challenge etc. UNREAL.
Fake roulette success, fake sexuality, fake boobs avatar, etc. UNREAL.
Quote from: NS on August 09, 2010, 07:20:06 AM
What the hell are you talking about? About you?
I'm Marven, aka. Noble Savage, I'm using the SAME email address I've always used.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Farchivos.metatube.com%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Fpics%2Fgallery_pic_2865_31332.jpg&hash=25ffa5b6ee6ab6bba6595bbbd58fe4dc50ae4917)
Don't say you didn't start this.
No, you're not that smart. You were buying it, until this challenge thing when things became obvious.
Fake roulette success, fake sexuality, fake boobs avatar, etc. UNREAL.
Post of the year!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
"What the hell are you talking about?" >>> Hang on, hang on, my bad. I'm thinking of initials (DJ) and thought of you (NS), I'll change it. (It was 5am) Ken
"No, you're not that smart. You were buying it" >>> Nope, sorry rookie. Too many obvious points of the posts. The funny one was when *DJ* (Kyla) said to me, "Still waiting for that answer Ken". Like I said, you goofballs ATTACK the same person AND in the same manner AND the poster is NEW, this isn't tough to figure out. Also, a female? Another mistake on his part.
There have been a few over the last year or so when I POSTED, "this sure does not seem like a new poster, its someone else". Sure as heck, a week or two later Steve would announce, YEP, its so-n-so AGAIN. Sooo, yes I will let you know next time it happens again (we all know it will). If you cant spot the 'NEW' idiots fast, thats not my problem. Another thing, I was buying it? Isn't the GOAL to go all the way through with the funny joke? Someone 'buys it' for a couple days and that means.......what? In the END, I still win. :) Ken
"Post of the year!" >>> Mod....right? Just checkin.
"fake emails, fake user names, a fake challenge" >>> And all TRUE. :haha: There will be more I'm sure. :punish: Ken
IS ANYONE GONNA ANSWER THIS? >> "PS: @jealous spike: Herb has nothing to do with this" >>> What about my question? If Herb had nothing to do with it, how did a FEMALE talk to him on the phone? Let me guess, it was a friend of DJ who talked to Herb. Ken
This is good >>
Kyla started her thread on the 6th, 11:20 am...........I posted it was BS on the 7th, 3:36 am. Yeah, ya got me, I bought into it. :sarcastic: Thats NOT counting, I emailed Spike even BEFORE that, saying it was BS. :good: Ken
Come on this is ridiculous. WHY arent you people asking the important questions?.. I mean what if you get a little rough.. will they leak or what?
"I mean what if you get a little rough.. will they leak or what?" >>> I think they use to leak late 70s, early 80s. Ken
Come on Steve, you find no humor in this over the last 72 hours? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 09, 2010, 08:59:23 PM
Come on Steve, you find no humor in this over the last 72 hours? Ken
I did. I even said "post of the year" to one particularly funny post, and you ripped me for it.
Get consistant Ken. It's something you always beg for so do it yourself - lead by example.
Wrong answer coolbreeze. You were congratulating NS for rippin me so I ripped you back. Get a backbone, act like a man, not a 20 year old. If anyone on these boards is inconsistent, its you Bombus. Different rules for different posters, here and at RF. The truth sucks, hey? :sarcastic: Ken
Reply 41 >> nolinks://vlsroulette.com/humor-jokes-funny-quotes-and-stories-and-more/how-you-imagine-they-look-like/msg113600/#msg113600 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/humor-jokes-funny-quotes-and-stories-and-more/how-you-imagine-they-look-like/msg113600/#msg113600) <<<< Yeah, you're a great mod Bombus, keep telling yourself that. We all believe you. Ken
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Quote from: Mr J on August 09, 2010, 10:01:36 PM
Reply 41 >> nolinks://vlsroulette.com/humor-jokes-funny-quotes-and-stories-and-more/how-you-imagine-they-look-like/msg113600/#msg113600 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/humor-jokes-funny-quotes-and-stories-and-more/how-you-imagine-they-look-like/msg113600/#msg113600) <<<< Yeah, you're a great mod Bombus, keep telling yourself that. We all believe you. Ken
I'll leave this one.
Ken, check which board your link is from - It's the humour section, not the general board.
Please leave my funny stuff in its correct section. Thank you.
Besides, you gave me permission to make those jokes – reply 35.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/humor-jokes-funny-quotes-and-stories-and-more/how-you-imagine-they-look-like/msg113549/#msg113549 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/humor-jokes-funny-quotes-and-stories-and-more/how-you-imagine-they-look-like/msg113549/#msg113549)
Quote from: Steve on August 09, 2010, 10:12:32 PM
Bombus I need to knjow something.. HOW did you come across the "such a d*ck" youtube video? I mean there are 55 or so views to it. Are you this clown's friend?
I have two teenage boys, they find lots of random stuff on the web, so I get to see and use a lot of it. ;D
"check which board your link is from - It's the humour section, not the general board" >>> I dont know that? Whatever. I cant do it like you do sir, I wouldn't be able to sleep but hey, thats just me I guess. Ken
@Bombus >> You're tired. you're exhausted and you're making mistakes! Its time for a TRUE mod (thats me) to come aboard. Ken
I really dont understand the arguing between you guys. It's worse than my own arguments because there seems even less point.
Quote from: Mr J on August 10, 2010, 01:45:55 AM
@Bombus >> You're tired. you're exhausted and you're making mistakes! Its time for a TRUE mod (thats me) to come aboard. Ken
:haha: :lol: TRUE mod................................. more like TRUE idiot! :haha: :lol:
Bombus is cool bananas!
I just thought of something. How am I gonna fire back at anyone? ??? @Jakk >> You are a great poster here my friend. Keep up the good work, many blessings await you. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 10, 2010, 07:20:35 AM
I just thought of something. How am I gonna fire back at anyone? ??? @Jakk >> You are a great poster here my friend. Keep up the good work, many blessings await you. Ken
At last you speak the truth. Good on ya! Knew you would come around! ;)
Quote from: Kyla Shooter on August 06, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
since 2007 i have come into contact with 3 nutbars who were convinced they could predict numbers based on ball movements, speeds, angle of the sun, you name it. it was a complete joke, but they were convinced and they tried hard to convince me. something didn't sit well with me at all. to me, i don't care who you are, if you can't win in a game during your "best" conditions then something is wrong. just standing by a wheel telling predictions after the dealer calls nmb's doesn't count either.
so what did i do? i had them take me to their best table and i mopped the floor with them. watching them try and fail was not as fun as me beating them with my strategy too. of the 3 so-called "ap's", 2 outright lost and the other just barely broke even. then the excuses came. varying speeds, ball types, sector shooting, short term "random" fluctuations. it was kinda embarassing to watch if i were to be honest.
so when it comes to so called advantage player's, i am not going to hold my breath. if my strategy can beat them as badly as it did and i am supposed to be the uniformed gambler, why the hell would i want to become an informed losing one.
why the hell would i want to become an informed losing one. >>>> coz this is how it works. man really, you just need to try smth new. I can only advice you to check some online casino.