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Title: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 29, 2008, 12:17:33 PM
          Part 1  -  SELECTIVE SPINS
 
     The up to date and concise explanation of 4Selecta can be found at :
 
                  nolinks://nolinks.4selectasystem.com
 
I only recently noticed that TwoCatSam had used the Root Group in another system. I have used those Groups over many years, but not in the way most people use them. In my opinion they should be used to good effect by creating Selective spins. The 4Selecta system requires streets to be set out as follows :
 
The Lower Group (LG)
-----------------
1, 2, 3
10,11,12
19,20,21
28,29,30
 
The Middle Group (MG)
-----------------
4, 5, 6
13,14,15
22,23,24
31,32,33
 
The Higher Group (HG)
-----------------
7, 8, 9
16,17,18
25,26,27
34,35,36
 
 
I will use Spielbank-Wiesbaden 17.7.08 Table 3 as it is very instructive.
 
The first few spins are as follows :
 
9
30
34
----
12
5
20
----
13
7
9
----
26
6
32
----
4
15
21
31
----
22
36
16
----
10
1
1
16
24
----
26
7
19
24
----
2
13
18
----
 
The lines have separated the spins into SECTIONS. Each Section must have 3 Groups. A COMPLETE (C) Section for example will contain a representative from each Group e.g.

2 LG
13 MG
18 HG
----
 
Unfortunately random numbers will not oblige and always produce a Complete section and therefore it will be necessary to have 3 Groups as follows :
 
9 HG
30 LG
34 HG
----
 
As long as a Section contains 3 Groups two HG and one LG qualifies as a Section.
 
12 LG
5 MG
20 LG
----
Two LG and one MG qualify.
 
13 MG
7 HG
9 HG
----
26 HG
6 MG
32 MG
----
4 MG
15 MG
21 LG
31 MG
----
Here there are two MG then LG and finally MG. There can only be one representative from each Group, therefore 4 MG and 15 MG count as one representative from the M Group.
 
10 LG
1 LG
1 LG
16 HG
24 MG
----
 
10 LG, 1 LG, 1 LG, count as one representative from the L Group, followed by 16 HG and 24 MG to complete the Section.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 29, 2008, 02:11:53 PM
         Part 2  -  The 4 GROUP SECTIONS
 
I will work through the Spielberg example then hopefully it will be clear how the system works.
 
Firstly we need a Table labelled as follows :
 
LG    MG    HG   C (Complete)

 
As the numbers come in we will also need to record them in their Group numbers as follows :
 
34, 9, 16, 18, 8, 26
 
20, 11, 28, 12, 30, 3,
1
 
32, 31, 24, 6, 13, 4,
5
 
The first Section starts :
 
9
30
34
----
 
At the start of a session we note the last number in the section in this case 34 and place a 1 to denote it was an HG section.
 
LG MG HG  C
          1

The next Section  is :
 
12
5

We need a third number to complete the section. The previous result was an HG and therefore ideally we would like an HG number to come in to give us another HG result in the Table and as the only  number available is 34 we would want the same number to come in.
 
Unfortunately 12, 5, 34 would not produce an HG section, it would however make a C section and a bet can therefore be placed on 34.
 
The bet loses as 20 comes in.
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1.            1
 
I have placed a . by the 1 to denote that LG is now the 'active' Group section and any action will come from the last Group section to be noted if the Group sections are equal in the Table.
 
 
13
7

I mentioned above that action would be taken by either a Group section in the lead or if equal the  'active' Group section. You will see that there is no LG in this Section, therefore we go back to the last Group section to be noted unless there is a Group section in the lead. We will take the HG number 34 the only HG number available.
 
The bet lost as 9 came in. 9 will therefore join 34 in the number Group and 13, 7, 9 is an HG Section so the Table will look as follows :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1             1
               2
 
The Table shows HG in the lead.
 
26
6
 
At this stage we want an HG Section, so the bet will be numbers 34 and 9 as they are the only HG numbers available to us.
 
The bet loses as 32 comes in.
 
The numbers available to us are :
 
34, 9
 
20
 
32

The Table still shows HG in the lead :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1.    1
              2
 
4
15
21
 
As there are no HG numbers in this section the next section cannot be an HG section and therefore the next 'active' Group section was MG as denoted by the . The bet will be number 32 as this is the only MG number available.
 
The bet loses, unfortunately the correct Group section came in but not the available number 32
 
34, 9
 
20
 
32, 31
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1
        2.    2
 
22
36
 
The Table shows MG and HG equal, but MG is the 'active' Group section therefore the bet will be 32 & 31
 
The bet loses and 16 came in and HG is now in the lead in the Table.
 
10
1
1
16
 
We want an HG number to come in and numbers 34, 9, 16 are available.
 
The bet loses and 24 came in and this is the first C (Complete Section).

At this stage I will do a recap and show the Table as follows :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1    1
        2     2
               3
 
Number Group
 
34, 9, 16
 
20
 
32, 31, 24
 
 
26
7
19

As HG is still in the lead the bet is 34, 9, 16
 
The bet loses and 24 comes in. As 24 has appeared again it now becomes a two unit bet and is noted [24]
 
2
13
 
There is no HG number therefore the next 'active' Group section is C and the bet will therefore be 34, 9, 16
 
The bet loses and 18 came in. HG and C have 3 entries each in the Table, but C is the active Group section.
 
8
13
 
The bet will be 20 an LG is wanted for the C Group section.
 
The bet loses and 11 came in.
 
7
10
 
An MG is wanted and numbers 32, 31, [24] are available
 
The bet loses and 6 comes in. It was an MG, so the the C Group section is now in the lead.
 
17
13
 
An LG is wanted and numbers 20 & 11 are available.
 
The bet loses and 28 came in. It was an LG and increases the C Group section to 6 in the Table.
 
0
14
12
 
The zero is ignored and an HG is wanted and numbers 34, 9, 16, 18 are available.
 
16 wins and the previous losses are cancelled out and there is a profit of + 10 units.
 
A recap of the Table and Group numbers is as follows :
 
34, 9, [16], 18
 
20, 11, 28
 
32, 31, [24], 6
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1     1
       2      2    (2)
               3    3
                     4
                     5
                     6
                     (7)
 
29
8
12
----
6
5
3
9
----
 
51 spins profit + 36 units
 
0
35
15
30
----
1
35
13
----
4
12
3
----
12
30
6
4
----
20
35
13
----
 
68 spins profit + 44 units
 
2
3
27
5
----
22
4
2
3
----
13
8
3
----
 
79 spins profit + 95 units
 
3
34
13
----
 
82 spins profit + 158 units
 
14
6
3
8
----
14
10
26
----
1
27
30
----
22
19
1
----
13
6
24
35
13
----
11
11
3
29
36
30
----
26
31
3
----
 
109 spins profit + 203 units
 
Number Group
 
34, [9], [16], 18, 8, 26
 
20, 11, 28, 12, [[30]], [[[3]]]
 
32,31,[24], 6, [[[13]]], 4
5
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1    1
2     2      2   ( 2)
3     3      3    3
4     4           4
5                  5
6                  6
7                ( 7)
                  ( 8 )
                    9
                   10
                  (11)
                   12
                  (13)
                  (14)
                   15
                   16
                   (17)

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 29, 2008, 02:37:12 PM
         Part 3   -    FURTHER EXPLANATIONS AND GUIDE LINES
 
After a few tests I have got a fair idea of how the system handles and works out. It is recommended to exit at the very latest at spin 160 and to accept whatever losses you have at that point. At around 100 spins if the session is losing  and very few hits have taken place seriously consider exiting at the first opportunity within the -50 unit range. So far the system has presented me with many opportunities to exit within or about - 50 units. Losses in the region of 50 to 150 units are rare, but the system allows for this by producing a number of exceptional wins and is therefore able to cancel out such losses.
 
A difficult decision is when you get say + 100 units at around 50 to 75 spins, whether to exit or not. I think with practice the decision may become easier, it is not an easy decision.
 
There are some amazing Group trends and on the occasions when say there are 3 equally or level continuous Group sections, you should be aware that
there is the possibility of a loss coming for that session.
 
Further tests will decide if this system continues to make good profits in the long term.
 
If you have any queries or suggestions I will be happy to answer and respond to them
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 29, 2008, 11:21:46 PM
Hello Mr. Chips

First, let me thank you for the hard work you have put into this.  I would love to be your student.  Having said that, I refresh your memory......"If you have any queries or suggestions I will be happy to answer and respond to them"

Well, yes sir, I got a few!  You may grow to hate me!!  LOL


"The lines have separated the spins into SECTIONS. Each Section must have 3 Groups. A COMPLETE (C) Section for example will contain a representative from each Group e.g.

2 LG
13 MG
18 HG
----

Unfortunately random numbers will not oblige and always produce a Complete section and therefore it will be necessary to have 3 Groups as follows :

9 HG
30 LG
34 HG
----

As long as a Section contains 3 Groups two HG and one LG qualifies as a Section.  <-------Keep this in mind.

12 LG
5 MG
20 LG
----
Two LG and one MG qualify.

13 MG
7 HG
9 HG
----
26 HG
6 MG
32 MG
----
4 MG <--a representative.
15 MG <--another                       <In this group there are two: MG & LG
21 LG
31 MG <---and another <--Why didn't you quit with the LG above?  You have two MG and one LG.
----
Here there are two MG then LG and finally MG. There can only be one representative from each Group, therefore 4 MG and 15 MG count as one representative from the M Group."

Me now:

The above is very confusing.  The question:

Are you saying you must have either two of anything (LG MG HG) + one of anything else?  If that's the case, the 4 15 21 31 group is very confusing.  Are you saying back-to-back hits by the MG only count as one and one must be tossed out?  Which one?  The oldest?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 30, 2008, 03:07:20 AM
Hi Sam, I do appreciate that it can be confusing at first until it all clicks into place (I promise you it will).
 
4 MG
15 MG
21 LG
31 MG
 
If you were were to think of it as a line of people LG represents young people, MG middle age people and HG older people. They are randomly lined up and you go up to the first person and ask them how old they are. The first person is 20. OK you reply you are LG. Tell the person next to you that you are LG. The person next to him is also LG. So he in turn tells the person next to him that he was told by the other person that he was LG, I am also LG, so the third person in the line knows that there are at least 2 LG next to him. This could well repeat a few more times until an LG tells a person next to him who happens to be an HG. The person who is HG knows that the person to the right of him is an LG and that he himself is an HG so he informs the person to the left of him. This person is an MG so he knows that he has completed a section. The process starts again by asking the next person how old they are etc etc etc.
 
If you had a line of a 100 people you could ask all those that completed a section to step forward.
 
The first Group of a section must have one representitive of that section so in effect you can ignore the 4 MG as 15 MG will be the representitive of the first Group. 21 LG for the second Group and finally 31 MG for the third part of the section.
 
I hope this helps, I promise not to hate you if you need further clarafication  :)
 
Richard
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: bjb007 on July 30, 2008, 03:19:42 AM
Seems strange to me that anyone would go to such
lengths to abandon logic, reason and common
sense to produce something like this.

Only thing missing is a pinch of toad.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 30, 2008, 03:37:39 AM
bjb007, I threw logic, reason and common sense out the window years ago and instead designed methods/systems that appear to be illogical but especially in the case of even chance consistently make long term profits over a great many years.
 
I'll take your comment with a "pinch" of salt !
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: paulthepilot on July 30, 2008, 03:53:54 AM
Thanks a lot Mr Chips for your hard work, i will try to understand everything.
To bjb007 : why loosing your time to always make critics to those who share their experiences with the members of the forum. We all know the real facts about roulette, but that's why we like her !!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: bjb007 on July 30, 2008, 05:24:07 AM
paulthepilot...a question.  What are
"the real facts about roulette" as you see them?

My fact No. 1 is that it's gambling and you're
supposed to lose.  If you don't it can only be
luck, nothing else.

Since the numbers are random it seems
rather futile to try to ascribe some logic to them.

No doubt there are many empirical ways of
picking numbers to bet on but do they
give better results than random choices?



Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 30, 2008, 06:24:21 AM
bjb007, there are plenty of people who actually make a living from gambling, so you are badly misinformed.
 
Why don't you test this system for yourself and depending on what results you get, if they are good you can tell us its all down to luck and I would suggest you rush down to your local casino and see how long your luck lasts. If the results are bad, then explain for x, y, z,
reasons why they are so bad and we can learn and make attempts to rectify the errors.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 30, 2008, 06:30:49 AM
I am open to strange concepts as I have personally witnessed things that logic and math can't explain.  I call it "voodoo" roulette.  So, I will learn this system if it kills me, then try my best to tear it down, prove it wrong and show all it's weaknesses. 

But wouldn't it be sweet if I huffed and puffed and couldn't blow the house down?  Then I'd bet money on it.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 30, 2008, 06:37:03 AM
Spot on Sam, take a really deep breath  ;D
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: metalrat on July 30, 2008, 06:46:56 AM
bjb mate,
Help me to understand. You have made (and I hope still make) some of the very best software to help win this game I have seen. You even have an own section on this forum. Yet winning is "luck"?
Your software is designed to help select betting solutions based on anything but empirical observation. If it doesn't give better results than empirical selection, why bother to make it?
Don't get me wrong, I still use your software and am grateful you made it, but I simply cannot follow your reasoning.

cheers

metalrat
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 30, 2008, 08:22:21 AM
A couple more Spielbank results :
 
28.7 = 77 spins, 24 selective spins = + 86
29.7 = 102 spins, 24 selective spins = -38
 
The 29.7 is interesting. In line with the guidelines of the system I decided to exit at 102 spins. The hit rate was not good but if I had carried on to spin 146 then I would have made a profit of + 49.
 
From the testing I have done so far there have been 9 wins at + 100 units which more than cancels out any of the small losses. It is always tempting to carry on and hope a win or two will cancel out the losses and into profit, but that is an additional risk. So far from testing the risk factor is low, so I would be interested to hear from others concerning the benefits or not of this low risk concept.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: bjb007 on July 30, 2008, 10:15:28 AM
metalrat

I make my software mainly as mental exercise.
Just to see if I can still do it at my advanced years.
Also believe that mental activity might reduce the
chances of the dreaded Altzheimers!

My progs are designed to make more "luck" but
no matter what I programme for the unexpected
will happen.

I use logic and, I hope, common sense.  I
don't believe that the appearance of one number
presages the appearance of another number except
to the extent that over a large sample all numbers
will appear equally.

However I don't deny that there may be other ways
to increase ones "luck" i.e. improve the odds but
I just don't want to spend many hours trying to
find one.

In any event there are people more capable of doing
that than me!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: metalrat on July 30, 2008, 10:31:52 AM
Ok, fair enough
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 30, 2008, 10:52:43 AM
Mr. Chips

Carrying on with my questions.  Your example:


4 MG
15 MG
21 LG
31 MG

Do I totally throw out the top MG and the 4 with it and consider only the 15, 21,and 31?

My questions may seem tedious, but it's a lot like laying a tile floor.  If your first tile is off by only 1/64 of an inch no one will notice it.  But 64 inches later, your off an inch and everyone notices.  I don't want to get a mile down this road and find out I took the wrong fork?

Laughing at Sam, the metaphor man!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 30, 2008, 12:43:24 PM
Sam, yes throw out the 4 MG. Be careful as it is very easy to make a mistake, but don't worry too much about it, as unlike your tiles lol it will correct itself further down the line.
 
I came across this long sequence recently :
 
17 HG
9 HG
25 HG
27 HG
36 HG
16 HG
IGNORE THE ABOVE
35 HG
4 MG
34 HG
 
When you have a long sequence of numbers as above its a good idea to use the time to do checks that all the previous sections are correct ( I still make mistakes after several years of doing it, the worst is calling 6 an HG instead of an MG)
 
Also consider how the session is doing, the number of spins so far, the hit rate, the Group Table. It presents a good time for taking stock of the session and making if necessary a sound decision having weighed up the whole picture.
 
Richard
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: RICHIECHIPS on July 30, 2008, 09:17:14 PM
BJB
That was a very classy and logical response. 

I also believe that the appearance of one number presages the appearance of another number except to the extent that over a large sample all numbers will appear equally.  I wonder why? That's rhetorical.

And I too don't deny that there may be other ways to increase ones "luck" i.e. improve the odds.
Bravo
Richiechips 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MXkid77 on July 31, 2008, 06:01:21 AM
Hi Guys,

Reading this post and trying to understand the system reminds me something I read recently, I had never heard of this guy before, being in the dark in South Africa, but to me he seems legit, maybe you will know different. I am refering to charles from win3million.com.

Page 3 on his website explains how to find the winning bet. Reading this page makes a damn load of sence, don't try beat the odd, beat the game. He explains how to come about finding the correct system, the page is worth a read in you have not read it. win3million.com/THE_ROULETTE_BET

The point I have taken so long to get to, is what he has to say about the bet you find.

"MOST IMPORTANT:  When you think you have found a consistent winning bet...it must pass these two tests:
1.  At least 30 sessions play with a consistent winning margin
2.  It must have a "Reason" why it wins? If you can find a genuine answer, then you know you have found a real bet you can rely on for life." 

Maybe you have something here Mr Chips???, it will still take me about a week to understand how yours works.

Edited by TwoCatSam.......Your clickable link takes the reader to a sales pitch.  I would have killed your entire post but you say a couple of good things.


Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on July 31, 2008, 03:05:50 PM
I did hesitate to post this system here because of scammers, but decided to go ahead anyway.
 
I plan eventually to get a book out to explain my EC method and other interesting bits, but I have had to shelve it for lack of a co-author. If this system proves to be sound I will probably include it as well with thanks of course to everyone here.
 
This forum is really excellent for exchange of information freely given, but I suppose we have to accept that scammers will try and exploit in various ways the ideas and efforts of everyone here to beat the wheel.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 31, 2008, 03:44:19 PM
Mr. Chips

Sorry I have not been back to pester you with questions.  Had to count all the bees in the hive and all that!

I will study this afternoon and post.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MXkid77 on July 31, 2008, 03:52:19 PM
My apologies Two Cat Sam ,did'nt realize i put in a bum link.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 01, 2008, 11:25:32 AM
Just 2 results left to record for July from Spielbank

30.7 = 132 spins, 38 selective spins = - 36
31.7 = 107 spins, 30 selective spins = +  4
 
Totals for the month
 
+ 1994
-   277
-------
+1717 units

I have gone back to the beginning of the year with the Spielbank spins and will give 4Selecta a thorough test.
 
I will be going to the casino next week and trying this out for real, the ultimate test !
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 02, 2008, 10:06:28 AM
Mr. Chips

I'm really working hard on your system.  I must say, it is very confusing.  Your help is much appreciated.  Now, you wrote:

"As the numbers come in we will also need to record them in their Groups as follows :

34, 9, 16, 18, 8, 26

20, 11, 28, 12, 30, 3,
1

32, 31, 24, 6, 13, 4,
5"

I have to ask, why is the 1 below the 20 and why is the 5 below the 32?  Do you only write six numbers in a horizontal row and then start over?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 02, 2008, 12:01:49 PM
Sam, it doesn't really matter how you write the numbers down, I do it that way to get all the numbers and columns easily onto a sheet of paper. It's a case of recording the numbers and making sure that if a number has any additional units, say 5 has come in three times, then the bet will be three units.
 
Richard
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 03, 2008, 07:02:19 PM
Started tests for August, Spielbank :
 
1.8 = 123 spins, 33 selective spins = + 186
2.8 = 100 spins, 28 selective spins = +  10
 
I have gone back to January this year with Spielbank and will try and do as many tests as possible.
 
 
1.1 =  86 spins, 26 selective spins = +  45
2.1 = 127 spins, 37 selective spins = + 50
3.1 = 133 spins, 38 selective spins = - 49
4.1 =  98 spins, 27 selective spins =  +53
5.1 = 125 spins, 36 selective spins =  +37
6.1 =  91 spins, 25 selective spins = +152
7.1 =  94 spins, 24 selective spins = + 48
8.1 = 103 spins,27 selective spins = +   8
9.1 =  37 spins,11 selective spins =  +52
10.1=103 spins,30 selective spins =    0
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 03, 2008, 11:53:10 PM
Mr. Chips

Thanks for all that hard work testing.  Now a couple of questions.  You wrote:

We take the final number in each Section e.g. 34 and record it in the number Group and note the Table. In this case it came from an HG Section so we record it as follows :

LG MG HG  C .........this is the way it appears to me.
      1

So the 1 will be right I will do this


LG MG HG  C
..........1

It goes directly under the HG, right?  That was question one.

Then you wrote:

At this stage we can turn our attention to the betting. The first Section was an HG, we would therefore want and expect the next Section to also be an HG, but that is impossible as there is no representative H Group in this next Section. If we had recorded an L or M number then we could place a bet.

12
5
?

What does it mean, "if the groups are equal"?  That was question two.

Then there's this:

"The first Section was an HG, we would therefore want and expect the next Section to also be an HG,"

What is the "next section"?  Is it the LG with the 1. under it or is it the 12, 5 and ? below?  That was question three.

Lastly for tonight, there's this:  "want and expect the next Section to also be an HG,"  Why would we expect the "next section" to be an HG.  That was question four.

As you can see, orderliness is one of my obsessive/compulsive disorders!

Waiting for your reply.

While they haven't said, I'm sure others are reading these posts and gleaning information from them.

Sam

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 04, 2008, 02:26:11 AM
Sam,
 
Question 1
-----------
I am not sure why you placed the 1 in the MG column, as 34 is from an HG section 9, 30, 34.
 
The 1 belongs in the HG column.
 
Question 2
-----------
If the Table contained the following Groups :
 
LM   MG   HG   C
1      1      1    1
2      2      2    2
3      3.     3
 
The Table shows LG, MG and HG each recording three sections each. The M Group has a . by the 3 and this indicates it was the last Group in the row of three Groups to come in and is therefore the ' active Group' and the betting will come from this Group.
 
Question 3
----------
The next section is 12, 5, 20 .
 
Question 4
----------
When numbers 12 and 5 appear, in order to complete the section, we want an HG number and in particular as the session has only just started we want 34 again, as it is the only number available at this stage.
 
If you look at the Table you will see the C Group eventually takes the lead and therefore all bets will be on C section numbers.
 
It is probably difficult for you to visualise numbers as LG, MG and HG and I think this has to be mastered first and then sections and the Table should fall into place more easily.
 
The idea of this type of system is that more information  becomes available than would otherwise be possible. Mathematicians will say it is impossible to get information from random numbers, but this system shows that information is available and sound decisions can be made, which should produce long term profits with minimal losses.
 
Richard
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 06:50:34 AM
Mr. Chips

LG MG HG  C .........this is the way it appears to me.
      1

What I meant by that was the printed sheet of your instructions has it that way.

This is what I actually thought it was:

So the 1 will be right I will do this


LG MG HG  C
..........1

So, I'm up to speed on this.

Sometimes people post things and they are so misaligned you can't read them. 

Thank you until later.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 07:03:25 AM
A recap of the Table and Group numbers is as follows :

34, 9, [16], 18

20, 11, 28

32, 31, [24], 6

LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1     1
       2      2    (2)
               3    3
                     4
                     5
                     6
                     (7)

Mr. Chips

What do the () denote?

OK, suppose I was on a trot and got a win.  Do I throw my notes and charts aside and start brand new, or do I continue with the same numbers?

If I work through some numbers I have saved from Wild Jack, will you take a look and see if I'm on course?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 04, 2008, 07:26:08 AM
Sam,
 
The ( ) indicates a hit, it's not essential to have it, but I consider it a good idea, as it gives you additional information as to the number of hits in any particular Group. If one Group is well ahead in the Table, but with few hits at around 100 spins and the session has shown a loss most of the time, you may have to seriously consider taking a loss within the -50 range.
 
You keep the numbers for the session and add to them as they come in, remembering as mentioned previously to add units whenever they hit. The most units on a number so far I have come across is 5 units and have seen to date some 4 unit hits.
 
Richard
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 04, 2008, 07:28:47 AM
Sam, sorry forgot, yes I will check to see if you are on course.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
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Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 04, 2008, 12:04:49 PM
Sam,
 
I will recap a bit. There has to be three Groups to a section.
 
21 LG    ignore
20 LG   first Group of the section
15 MG  second Group of the section
8 HG    third Group of the section
------
This constitutes a Complete (C) section, LG, MG and HG.
 
25 HG   first Group of a new section
24 MG   second Group of the section
18 HG   third Group of the section
------
This section is called an HG section as it has 2 x HG and 1 MG
 
21 LG   first Group of the section
 
So far the numbers should be noted as follows :
 
8, 18
 
The Table should show the following :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
             1.     1
 
There is a row of two 1's and the last section to come in was HG, MG, HG and therefore this H Group is the 'active Group' when it comes to the betting.
 
I will go over the betting if you are happy with the above.
 

 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 12:21:18 PM
Probably being redundant, but........

A LG...........You always keep the first one?      Or ignore this guy and the next two....
B LG........throw out
C LG........throw out
D LG.......throw out...................................and keep this guy?
E MG
F HG

I need a firm rule, and you probably gave it.  Last time, I promise!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 04, 2008, 12:44:30 PM
It doesn't matter which you throw out. Another way of looking at it is you can think in terms of bracketing all the LG'S, which are together and count it as one LG and that will be the first Group in the section. If for example there was MG and then the third Group in the section was another LG it is quite separate from the first LG in the first Group in the section.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 01:23:43 PM
Continuing on........

20LG
15MG             <---------this is a Complete group.
8HG
----------

25HG
24MG         <-------------This is a High Groupl
18HG
---------------

LG.........MG.......HG........C
                        1.        1

My betable numbers are:

C.....8
HG..18
_________________________________________________________________________
SHOULD I BEGIN BETTING HERE?  WHY OR WHY NOT?
________________________________________________________________________

My next three numbers are:

21LG
27HG            <------------This is a High Group.
8HG
24MG

My chart looks like this:
LG.........MG.......HG........C
             1.         1.        1

My betable numbers are now:

C.....8
HG...18
MG..24

I'll wait for your reply, but do I seek a winner yet?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 04, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
Your showing numbers :
 
21 LG
27 HG
8 HG
24 MG
 
You refer to these numbers as "your next three numbers" and you are including 24??
 
It's most important that you separate each section by a line, otherwise you will most certainly get into a muddle.
 
21 LG
27 HG
8 HG
------
24 MG
 
The betting begins as follows :
 
21 LG
27 HG
 
Up to this point two groups have been entered into the section. You will want to place a bet that the third number in the third group is going to be an HG number. If you refer to the Table I just sent you, note the 1. in the HG column. This indicates it is the 'active Group'
and will therefore want an HG number to come in and IT follows this will be an HG section.
 
OK, we have available numbers 8 and 18. Hooray number 8 comes in again and you have a win.
 
Now, numbers available for the next bet are :
 
[8], 18
 
[ ] indicates that 8 is now a two unit bet.
 
The Table looks as follows :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
              1     1
             (2)
 


 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 05:20:28 PM
OK, Mr. Chips....some fresh numbers from today.

26HG
26HG
21LG   <------complete group
28LG
29LG
24MG
-------------
24MG
5MG
23MG
12LG
13MG
22MG     <------MG because there are more MGs than LGs
29LG
20LG
33MG
14MG
8HG
---------------


LG  MG  HG  C                                          AVAILABLE NUMBERS:  C GROUP = 24; MG GROUP = 8
      1.        1

Do I place a bet yet?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 04, 2008, 07:32:56 PM
The numbers with their Group title must be put into sections and the sections must be separated by a line as follows :
 
26 HG  ignore
26 HG
21 LG
28 LG
-------
29 LG
24 MG
24 MG
-------
5 MG     ignore
23 MG
12 LG
13 MG
-------
22 MG
29 LG
20 LG
-------
33 MG   ignore
14 MG
8 HG
?

The betting
------------
The first number to come in was 28 an L Group number.
 
29 LG
24 MG
 
At this stage the only number available is 28 and so we want an LG number to come in and it must be 28. The actual number that came in was 24 M Group, we therefore record that in the Table. The M Group is now the 'active Group' in the Table.

5 MG
23 MG
12 LG
 
We know that MG is the active Group, we therefore want an MG number to come in. The only available M Group number is 24 so the bet is on number 24. The actual number that came in was 13, which is the correct M Group but unfortunately the incorrect number. We record the result in the Table and 13 is recorded in the list of numbers that are available to use.
 
22 MG
29 LG
 
MG is in the lead in the Table so automatically an M Group number will be chosen. The numbers that are available are 24 and 13.
The result was number 20 an L Group number.
 
Numbers available to use :
 
28, 20
 
24, 13
 
The Table shows the following :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1.
2.    2
 
LG and MG are equal in the Table, but LG is 'active' as denoted by the . next to the 2.






 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 10:01:27 PM
Mr. Chips

Let's say you were standing at a table and this happened:


26 HG  ignore
26 HG
21 LG
28 LG

Would you now begin betting on the LG, or number 28?

Sam

Please bear with me a few more questions; I really think I'm starting to get it.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 04, 2008, 10:11:50 PM
The numbers with their Group title must be put into sections and the sections must be separated by a line as follows :

26 HG  ignore
26 HG
21 LG
28 LG
-------
29 LG   <------In my trot this number is immediately after the 28.  Below, in red, you say number 24 came in.  Don't understand.
24 MG
24 MG
-------
5 MG     ignore
23 MG
12 LG
13 MG
-------
22 MG
29 LG
20 LG
-------
33 MG   ignore
14 MG
8 HG
?

The betting
------------
The first number to come in was 28 an L Group number.

29 LG
24 MG

At this stage the only number available is 28 and so we want an LG number to come in and it must be 28. The actual number that came in was 24 M Group, we therefore record that in the Table. The M Group is now the 'active Group' in the Table.

I AM ONE FREAKIN' INCH FROM GETTING THIS!!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 05, 2008, 02:49:35 AM
26 HG   ignore
26 HG
21 LG
28 LG
-------
 
This can now be called a section as it has all the components that make up a section. It has three Groups HG, LG, LG. You cannot bet on the first section as you do not have any numbers available. All numbers will come from the third Group in the section. In this section the third Group number is 28.
 
At the present time we are attaching LG, MG, and HG to the numbers as you are not familiar with what numbers belong to which Group and also the components of a section. In time when you are red hot with this system the numbers will simply be written as follows :
 
26
26
21
28
----
 
In answer to your query re 29, I am referring to the betting not the next number that came in. 28 came in the first section and 24 in the next section.
 

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 05, 2008, 06:00:38 AM
Have made a good start to this month, should have January completed by the weekend.
 
3.8 = 101 spins, 28 selective spins = + 251
4.8 = 102 spins, 31 selective spins = +  62
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 09:17:21 AM
Perhaps we have a failure to parse words or some such, as I'm lost on one issue?

26 HG   ignore
26 HG
21 LG
28 LG
-------


"At this stage the only number available is 28 and so we want an LG number to come in and it must be 28."

ME:  I read you saying this: "We have a LG and the last number is 28, an LG number, and we want an LG number."  So, do we bet on the 28, I mean, place a chip or not.  If not, why not?  If you were standing at the table, you would not/could not know what the next group is.

Then you write: "You cannot bet on the first section as you do not have any numbers available. All numbers will come from the third Group in the section. In this section the third Group number is 28." 

ME:  Why don't you bet on the 28?  Why do you say you have no numbers available?

Sam



Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 09:28:47 AM
TO THE GANG

708 of you birds have popped in for a look-see and not one question except for me.  Is it:

1.  You all understand it and I'm the only doofus?
2.  I'm asking all the proper questions and you're just reading and studying, or
3.  What?

If someone sees some of the things Mr. Chips is talking about that I am too thick to grasp, well, jump and in give me your take on it.  Then he may have two blokes to correct instead of one.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 05, 2008, 10:07:24 AM
Sam,
 
That last post of yours had me in stiches. I'm still laughing  ;D ;D ;D
 
Sam, while your asking me all these questions hundreds of guys are making a fortune from this system  ;D
 
Back to your questions.
 
The first section will produce the first number, it can't come from anywhere else. It produced the number 28 and as you correctly say it is an LG. You know that we will record this in the Table and note it under the L Group in the Table. This is now the 'active' Group and therefore a bet will be placed if possible for the next section.
 
29 LG
24 MG
 
Sure enough this next section has an LG and therefore we can bet the number 28. The number 24 came in instead and so the bet loses.

29 LG
24 MG
24 MG
-------
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 11:30:39 AM
Mr. Chips

I just want to join that throng at the table.  We are close!  Please bear with me.

OK, you wrote, and I color red the parts I simply don't get.

The first section will produce the first number, it can't come from anywhere else. It produced the number 28 and as you correctly say it is an LG. You know that we will record this in the Table and note it under the L Group in the Table. This is now the 'active' Group and therefore a bet will be placed if possible for the next section.

29 LG
24 MG

Sure enough this next section has an LG and therefore we can bet the number 28. The number 24 came in instead and so the bet loses.

29 LG
24 MG
24 MG

Are you saying you must wait for two groups when you first start the trot?  And if your bet is to be on LG you must have an LG in the next group?

We now have six numbers in this little trot; do we bet?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 05, 2008, 12:26:42 PM
Sam,

It took me several years to work out my EC method and I am using the basic concept for this system. I admit I am struggling to explain this in a much more coherent way, so apologies if you and others do not understand it. I will try to answer your last question in a different way.
 
Question 1 "if possible"
---------------------
 
29 LG
24 MG
24 MG
 
Just supposing instead of the above numbers we had :
 
17 HG
14 MG
 
There is no LG in the first or second Group of this section, so it is impossible for this section to be an LG section. Do you agree?
 
It could however become a C section. Do you agree?
 
I will try and breakdown your question into parts in the hope that you agree to the various parts and then the whole picture makes sense.
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 01:22:05 PM
Mr. Chips........

"17 HG
14 MG

There is no LG in the first or second Group of this section, so it is impossible for this section to be an LG section. Do you agree?

It could however become a C section. Do you agree?"

OK, I agree.  If an LG number comes next, it would be a complete section. As soon as a section forms, you don't keep looking. 



Now, hoping this question does not muddy the water, I assume that if another HG came we would have an HG section; if another MG came we would have an MG section.  Is that correct?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 05, 2008, 02:42:16 PM
Sam,
 
I think you've got it. I should point out in case there is any confusion you said "If an LG number comes next, it would be a complete Group. As soon as a Group forms, you don't keep looking'.
 
If an LG comes next, it would be a Complete SECTION ( three Groups to a section)
 
As soon as a section has three Groups, then go onto the next session eg
 
17 HG  ignore
16 HG  ignore
25  HG  the first Group of the section
13 MG  the second Group of the section
    At this stage place a bet. Suppose numbers 34 and 9 are available and the 'active' Group in the Table is HG. OK the bet is 34 and 9
     both HG numbers, 9 comes in and wins
9 HG
------ This HG section is finished, move on to the next one
 
14 MG  the first Group in the section
21 LG   the second Group in the section
         At this stage place a bet. Only numbers 34 and [9] are available. Even though HG is the 'active' Group it is impossible to have an
        HG section. This section contains MG and LG. It is possible to have a C section. 9 comes in and wins.
9 HG
----- This C section is finished, move on to the next one etc etc etc
 
I hope this helps

Richard


 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 09:32:13 PM
Mr. Chips

I thought I had it, but I think I've lost it.  Let me ask this:

Sam,

I think you've got it. I should point out in case there is any confusion you said "If an LG number comes next, it would be a complete Group. As soon as a Group forms, you don't keep looking'.

If an LG comes next, it would be a Complete SECTION ( three Groups to a section)

As soon as a section has three Groups, then go onto the next session eg

17 HG  ignore
16 HG  ignore
25  HG  the first Group of the section
13 MG  the second Group of the section
    At this stage place a bet. Suppose numbers 34 and 9 are available and the 'active' Group in the Table is HG. OK the bet is 34 and 9
     both HG numbers, 9 comes in and wins

I was under the impression you needed a complete section.  If you ignore the first two HGs, you only have HG and MG


9 HG
------ This HG section is finished, move on to the next one

When you say a section is "finished" does that mean I should not consider any number except the next number to come?  All numbers my eyes have fallen on are now discarded? 

I am going to post something I am thinking next.  Maybe right; maybe wrong.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 09:33:33 PM
Mr. Chips

Let me put something in my own words and you see if I'm in the ball park.

We have

1LG
5MG  <---This is an LG Section.  (I hope!)
1LG

We have just started the trot and we have the number 1 in our corral of betable numbers.

NOW WE WAIT.......

We have

34HG
32MG<-------This is a betable Section as an LG, our number 1, would complete it.  We also could complete it with either a HG or another MG but we don't have those numbers available to us; only the 1LG.  OR must it be only an LG as the prior section was an LG?

I think it just dawned on me.  I am looking for whatever is dominant in my chart!

Is that the way it shakes out?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: bjb007 on August 05, 2008, 09:57:05 PM
As one of the hundreds of "just looking" people
I think I should say why.

Don't believe that this, or any other system,
could be as difficult to understand as this
one.

Clearly the fault is in the explanation.

There must be a simple, clear way to set this out
so that it could be understood after one or
two readings.

Keep at it Sam.  When you understand it perhaps
you'll explain it for the rest of us.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 10:54:24 PM
"That which we obtain too easily we cherish too lightly."  Something like that.

If I ever get this, and I will if Mr. Chips hangs on a couple more days, I will have worked a bit for it and I will cherish it.  I believe this man when he says hundreds of people are making thousands of dollars from it.

I seriously doubt I could reword his post and improve on it.  It's just a difficult thing to grasp.

(Hoping I'm still married when this is over!!)

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Clothdog on August 05, 2008, 11:18:22 PM
I agree with bjb. I understand alot of systems pretty easily, but this one.....forget it. I've read and reread and it seems to be going in circles. There has to be an easier easier solution playing this. We're not morons here. But if we're having trouble understanding this than Mr. Chips needs a better explanation.
cd
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 05, 2008, 11:26:25 PM
cd

I'm starting to get it.  I have put about 20-25 hours into this, however.  But, then, I'm retired and I can do this.  I understand how people with limited time would become frustrated.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: bloomone2002 on August 05, 2008, 11:53:04 PM
I guess, I'm one of those very casual observers on this one. Im pulling for Sam and hang in there Mr. Chips with the explaination. Maybe, Sam you will be able to simplified it for others in one or two replies once you have it nailed now.  Hopefully, it proves to have staying power as a system.
Good Luck
Bloom
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 06, 2008, 01:04:20 AM
Sam,
 
Yes, you have got it. It will take a bit of practice, then it will all click into place.
 
It took me a very long time to work out the concept of this type of system, it is complex, I know I am stating the obvious. It was designed to overcome the negative expectancy in the game of roulette. A great deal of testing must be done before we know if this has been achieved.
 
I am certain there will be better ways to explain it, but what's in my head has been explained here and its the way I see it. Hopefully Sam you will find an easier explanation.
 
If you go back to the example I gave at the very beginning you should be able now to work through it and I will clarify anything that is difficult to understand.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 01:55:46 AM
Mr. Chips

It has really clicked for me.  I worked through a few numbers after supper and got a winner on the second bet!  I will add this to my list of things I'm working on and report as usual.

Thanks for all your time.  I will post a work sheet when I am confident enough.

It was a pleasure being your student.

You have the patience of Lanky!!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 06, 2008, 05:32:59 AM
Finally found the session from hell, Spielbank 13.1 08. Exit at - 105 units.
 
I am going to check the figures later today. I knew it was just around the corner. Now there can be two exit points. Exit at -50 units from 100 to 150 spins and when the hit rate is exceptionally poor exit at around - 100 units.
 
In theory the exceptional wins at 200 + units should cancel out the rare - 100 unit losses.
 
There may be an improvement to this type of losing session. Three of the columns were about equal all through the session. The HG column was in effect a 'sleeper' and like a sleeper decided to awake at around 150 spins and started to catch up with the other 3 columns. The betting could be switched exclusively to that column and so recover losses. It will require more work on it and will mark that up as a future project. In the meantime the -100 unit loss is acceptable as the overall profit is excellent.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 08:09:17 AM
Three things we can count on: Death, taxes and that session from hell!

If you haven't had one, you haven't played long enough.

Thanks for the update.  Good to know the bad with the good.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 09:02:28 AM
Mr. Chips

Here's my worksheet until the first win.  Check me out if you can read my handwriting.  Since I knew I wasn't going far in the trot, I just circled my potential bets. 

Sam

(nolinks://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8467/wjl858p1av7.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Clothdog on August 06, 2008, 09:21:26 AM
Sam,
Actually after looking at your chart, I picked this system up in 30 seconds! rather than trying to understand the explanation.
why complicate things trying to remember Lg, Hg, Mg???? etc just remember the 3 root groups!
An easier way to understand this, as I'm sure you're aware is that these are all root groups!
1-2-3/10-11-12/19-20-21/28-29-30
456/13-14-15 etc
789/16-17-18 etc
Initially 2 in a row in the first 3 spins of the section from the same root group do not count and take the last number that hit in the root group provided you have at least 2/3 of the root groups.
You could also take my 3 root groups 123,469,578 and use the same logic or anti logic(lol) behind Mr. Chips system!  How about 147, 258, 369 roots? Any 3 root groups will do ;).
Just a thought.
cd
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 06, 2008, 12:27:32 PM
clothdog,
 
Your brilliant you picked up the system in 30 seconds and your going to ignore the L, M and H Groups, lets see what results you get with your version. I am not usually able to forecast the future but will this give you a clue  :'(
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 06, 2008, 12:32:28 PM
Sam,
 
I will take a look at your worksheet a bit later when I've got a few minutes.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Clothdog on August 06, 2008, 01:24:29 PM
Mr Chips,
Those groups LG MG HG are just the roots 123, 456 789. Are you familiar with roots? You don't need to remember LG HG MG. I guarantee I'll get the same results following the same method of play.What difference does it make what I call them? Sam or anyone else on this board who has been using roots will verify this.
When I saw Sam's chart, I fully understood what he was doing. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, although your inital explanation made it seem complex. Sam or anyone else on this board who has been using roots will verify this.
CD
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 01:27:17 PM
Mr. Chips

Here's a sheet from Wild Jack for 100 spins.  Loss was 49 units.  No hurry, but when you get a chance, look me over.

Sam

(nolinks://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5093/wjl868p1wp9.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

My chart

(nolinks://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6808/wjl868chartdf9.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Clothdog on August 06, 2008, 03:13:45 PM
Quote from: Mr Chips on August 06, 2008, 12:27:32 PM
clothdog,
 
I am not usually able to forecast the future but will this give you a clue  :'(
Chips
Yes I'm sure being down 490 units with your system certainly does give me clue.....Try something else.
cd
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 04:09:53 PM
OK, my units we're .50 each, so I'm not hurt. 

I worked thirty some hours to learn this system so I will give it a fair shake. 

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 06, 2008, 04:23:49 PM
clothdog,
 
If your using this system you will have losses in the range - 50 or - 100. If your down 490 units then obviously your using your version.
 
Why don't you show us all your method of working your version and how you arrived at - 490 units!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 04:57:27 PM
I did it wrong, Mr. chips.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 05:00:33 PM
I did not post under testing as I am not sure of what I'm doing.  I just found another SamMistake.

Probably would have won if I had played it right.

ALL IS WELL.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 06:48:27 PM
Here is the second trot of the day, 8.6.8.  I made 16u profit.


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I think I'm doing it right now.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 06, 2008, 11:11:04 PM
Mr. Chips

I found my mistake on the chart.  There should be no CG for complete group.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 07, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
Sam,
 
I will be getting back to you on your worksheets.

I did notice the following :
 
8-6-8
 
spin 53
 
19
8
0
--- We ignore 0 but this completed the section and is on a betting line and of course would be a loss.
16
1
4
----
9
29
14
----
28
1
17
10
----
It does correct itself further down the line.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 07, 2008, 10:41:28 AM
Mr. Chips

I need some guidelines on when to pull out and call it a loss for the session.  I think I am on a PERSONAL losing streak right now and if I bet on water to run downhill, I would probably lose.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 07, 2008, 02:12:15 PM
Sam,
 
As I mentioned you need to show at least 150 spins as most of the results I got were between 100 and 150 spins. When the numbers get additional units added to them, that's when you get some good hits especially with 3 units on a number.
 
I have taken the spins from a couple of your worksheets and if you can relate them to what I will show below, hopefully our figures will agree. I would suggest for practice try a couple of Spielbank-Wiesbaden sessions say in May and I will check the figures and you will see how it properly works with the exit strategy.
 
8-5-8
 
35
3
17
----
16
19
25  -1
---
15
22
7
21  -3
---
29
5
21  -5
---
30
0
31
31  -6
---
33
11
31  +29
---
30
10
18
33  +28
---
22
9
18  +27
---
8
25
21
35  +24
---
36
23
16  +20
---
7
11
35  +51
---
22
26
22  +45
---
9
7
20
24  +39
---
25
32
19  +33
---
19
26
28  +27
---
 
17, 25, 18, [35], 16
 
[21], 19, 28
 
[31], 33, 22, 24
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1     1
2     (2)    2     2
        3     3     3
               4    4
               5
              (6)
 
At this stage at around 50 spins to 100 spins, units will be added to more and more numbers. The hits up to this point will boost the positive results and should it be necessary to take a loss, it should be possible on most occasions to limit the loss to within the guide line range of - 50 units.
 
Further spins from next worksheet to follow.
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 07, 2008, 02:29:40 PM
8-6-8
 
25
21
9
---
5
27
27  -1
---
19
12
16
19  -3
---
12
27
25  -5
---
24
4
29
11  -6
---
16
28
28  -9
---
17
27
20
26  -12
---
0
9
36
28
27  +20
---
5
26
12  +15
---
16
1
35  +10
---
26
20
23  +4
---
15
28
34  0
---
5
33
28
22  -7
---
29
30
5
7  -14
---
15
29
7  +14
---
19
8
0  +5
---
 
9, [27], 25, 26, 35, 34, [7]
 
19, 11, 28, 12
 
23, 22
 
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1     1
2             2     2
3             3     3
               4     4
              (5)   (5)
               6
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 07, 2008, 04:35:14 PM
Mr. Chips

Why not just forget the sheets I have posted?  They are so full of mistakes!

Let me do one you have already done from May and you won't have to do the figures twice.

I do need to know this about the zero.......

19LG
7HG
0 ............I had a bet here and lost it.  Now, to complete this Section, do I want for the next number and pretend the zero is not there?


19LG
7HG
0
5MG.............Do I have a complete Section now?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 07, 2008, 04:44:59 PM
Sam,
 
Usually you would ignore the zero, but when its the third Group of a section, the betting line, then the zero completes the section.
 
The 5 MG starts another section.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 07, 2008, 04:48:14 PM
Mr. Chips

Sorry, you lost me!

19LG
7HG
0 ..........What would this section be?  There is only LG and HG.  Would we just skip it and call it a "lost" or "incomplete" section?

Would you care to pick a day from Spielbank that you have already worked and therefore know the results and won't have to take so much of your time checking my work?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 07, 2008, 05:08:00 PM
Sam,
 
We can of course ignore zero's because they don't effect selecting the Groups. The exception is on the betting line, the third Group of a section. We have to show the zero, if we are noting the results for each section as I just showed re your worksheet spins. As it's not a Group there is nothing else to do.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 07, 2008, 05:14:33 PM
I forgot the last bit of your post, I think I will go to bed soon had a bad storm here last night, not much sleep.
 
Pick any day, make it 2 different days and we will go through both of them in minute detail.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 07, 2008, 08:13:28 PM
Mr. Chips

Here is the first two hundred.  Will do another two hundred after you have looked over these.

Spin 30 on page 1.  If I understand you, when you cannot make a bet and two of the Sections are tied, you go back to the previous section.  That is what I did.

Sam

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Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 08, 2008, 01:26:18 AM
Sam,
 
You picked a tough one lol, it's the luck of the draw.
 
5
5
1
24
---
19
10
4
6  -1
---
5
31
17
7   -3
---
1
33
25   -5
---
36
31
26  -7
---
30
21
26
27  -10
---
13
32
31
23
16
22  -14
---
0
34
35
7
10
12  -18
---
4
22
36
15  -21
---
27
4
13  -25
---
1
15
34  -30
---
27
15
8  -35
---
2
10
4
11  -40
---
2
16
15  -46
---
28
32
28  -52
---
20
23
20  -58
---
20
15
7   -64
---
33
34
16  -70
---
11
11
12
16
14  -78
---
14
14
28
11  -86
---
4
31
23
6
30
5   -90
---
19
22
20  -98
---
15
3
18  -103
---
20
35
18  -111
---
10
23
36  -121
---
36
32
10  -126
---
33
21
11  -137
---
6
33
25
11  -36
--- EXIT
 
24, 6, 22, [15], 13, 14
5
 
[7], 25, 26, 27, 34, 8
16, [18], 36
 
12, [[[11]]], 28, 20, 10
 
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1     1
2      2     2     2
3      3     3     3
4      4     4     4
5      5     5     5
6      6     6     6
                     7
                     8
                     9

 
At 103 spins the opportunity to exit within the recommended guidlines of -50 range presented itself and should always be taken. There could well be an opportunity further on perhaps to get into profit, but that is an additional risk and instead could lead to a bigger loss, especially when the number of units  bet will increase.
 
I am not sure why you showed no bet at spins 13, 14, 15 as the M Group was in the lead?
 
I made a note at spin 74 that this session would likely lead to a loss because the Groups in the Table were so equal 4, 5, 5, 5.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 08, 2008, 02:20:24 AM
Mr. Chips

As to spins 13 14 and 15, here's the way I saw it.

1LG
33HG

As you stated MG is in the lead at spin 12.  There is no way for the above to become an MG and that's all I could bet.  It could become an LG or an HG or CG only.  Perhaps I am missing something here.  I noticed the exit point as I passed it, but I just wanted to carry on for 200 numbers.

I'll try another trot tomorrow.  It's midnight here.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 08, 2008, 03:09:47 AM
Sam,
 
Just realised you have got 33 as an H instead of M.
 
Has your wife noticed you,ve got more grey hairs since you took on this system!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 08, 2008, 10:01:38 AM
Mr. Chips

I can see making a mistake as to a number's group can throw off the whole trot.  I must be more careful!

My wife is a patient woman; Lord knows she would have to be.  Last week we went to see "Mama Mia".  Really fine movie!  Great ABBA music!  I sing better than Pierce Brosnan!  Yesterday we loaded up and drove about a hundred miles round trip to eat a piece of quiche at a unique little restaurant/junk shop we love.  It's things like that which keep me at the computer or my desk.

Oh, yes, it's really good quiche!!  And the potato soup......I'd like to buy the whole forum a bowl!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Rocky on August 08, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
Hi Guys

What can I say, I've scrolled through the whole thing !

My hats off to Mr Chips and TwoCat, obviously works when you understand it, much good work done by both parties.

Please allow me to make this comment with no disrespect intended, but as an observation, does the game of roulette tend to attract people with Obsessive Compulsive Behaviour tendancies. Just my observation of being around these forums for about a year. Or should I rename it passion, or addiction or obsession, anyway doesn't matter I guess. Probabaly a bit of self analysis myself. Guess that's why we're all here in part, as well as trying to find the roulette grail.

Cheers

Rocky
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 08, 2008, 11:06:51 AM
Rocky

Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting on this thread.  For a while there I thought Mr. Chips and I had slipped into a parallel universe and were the only humans seeing this thread!!

Ah, good question!!  From my limited knowledge of psychology I don't think it's obsessive/compulsive, but it may be addictive.  I am far more addicted to testing and chatting than the actual gambling.  I only do that because something should come from all the testing and studying.  The tree should bear fruit!

You realize there are people who have devoted their spare life to inventing the perpetual motion machine?  Of course it can't be done but to paraphrase my old friend Coussin Gonflable, A perpetual motion machine cannot exist, but when one is invented a better one will be invented within a year!  There are those who win big money at roulette.

I strive to win coffee money!

Sam

PLUS....I hear using the brain keeps away dementia.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 08, 2008, 03:52:04 PM
Mr. Chips

I had two instances where I could have exited with a 33 unit profit.  Should I have done that?  If so, what percentage of bankroll do you call a winning session?  How long after a session could you begin another one?  I am playing on a single table  and do not have the options to go to another table.

How deep into the negative should you go?  I know you try to scratch back to 50 or less down, but what if you can't make it?  What percentage of bankroll are you willing to lose?

I hope I'm doing this right.

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Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 08, 2008, 05:37:25 PM
Sam,
 
I will go through your worksheet next with answers to your questions.
 
I have just finished testing 10 more sessions in January, Spielbank spins. When a ship sails the high sea's it's bound to experience a few storms and I came across the random number equivalent on the 12th, 13, and 14th of January. Just like a sound ship it weathed the storm and still making good profits.
 
I have it in mind that there will be sufficient exceptional wins around +200 to cancel out the few -100. Over the next few weeks of testing I hope to be proved right. There are two such wins in reserve at the present time.
 
11.1 = 109 spins, 34 selective spins = +155
12.1 =   97 spins, 25 selective spins = -  47
13.1 = 161 spins, 43 selective spins = -129
14.1 = 140 spins, 40 selective spins = - 156
15.1 =  95 spins, 23 selective spins = + 87
16.1 = 108 spins, 32 selective spins = + 77
17.1 = 133 spins, 35 selective spins = +  5
18.1 = 104 spins, 28 selective spins = - 48
19.1 =   46 spins, 12 selective spins = +190
20.1 = 123 spins, 32 selective spins = +   7

Unfortunately I didn't get the time to go to the casino this week, but I will get there at least one day next week and hopefully more the week after.
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 08, 2008, 06:13:57 PM
Mr. Chips

We expect downturns.  After all we're in the U.S. stock market!

When you write 11.1, does that mean day 11 table 1?

Take your time with my questions.  I'm off to dinner this evening.

Sam

Might I ask where you are?  I am in USA, Oklahoma.  England, I'm guessing from your email address.

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: AnandMajumdar on August 08, 2008, 08:00:03 PM
sam/mr chips

everything went above my head. didnt understand nothing..:) but i will catch up.. hope to post intelligent questions if i come up with them

andy
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 08, 2008, 08:09:32 PM
Andy,

This thing is a booger-bear!!  (Do you have those in India?)

I feel I could take you through it step by step, but I'll wait for Mr. Chips to graduate me before I start to comment.  I'm sure he would enjoy a break from teaching, so maybe I could sub for a while.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 08, 2008, 08:10:15 PM
Sam,
 
In the UK our dates are shown as 11.1.08, which differs from your 1-11-8.
 
Located in England, partly in London and on the south coast. My favourite casino's are in London and Manchester.
 
Your showing no bets when there must be bets. It may be that when for example it's not possible to place a bet on an L Group, you should
go to the next 'active' Group, where its possible to place a bet. The only time there are no bets is at the start when no numbers are available.
 
You have definitely got the hang of it up to the no bet part and if you are stuck on this I will go into that part of your worksheet in much more detail.
 
I shouldn't worry about bankrolls for this system, the main concern is limiting losses and following the guidelines of -50 and -100 when they occur. As long as all the guidelines are observed this system should produce steady profits and I haven't after testing more than 50 sessions now experienced anything to the contrary.
 
8.5.08
 
32
24
24
7
1
---
20
34
9
---
31
3
17  -1
---
19
1
13
9   +33
---
11
3
6
18  +32
---
18
23
15  +31
---
10
20
35
2   +28
---
14
26
23  +26
---
7
30
20  +24
---
31
23
23
31
7
22  +21
---
10
24
32  +17
---
32
19
28  +13
---
17
26
9
7
33
36  +9
---
36
10
30  +5
---
17
34
33
26  +1
---
34
3
11  -4
---
18
10
28  +26
---
14
15
27
33  +22
---
17
13
36  +17
---
23
16
18  +12
---
13
27
9   +76
---
16
17
30
16  +68
---
15
31
31
24
8
29  +58
---
10
18
16  +84
---
18
28
20  +73
---
16
13
19  +62
---
12
32
20  +124
---
21
36
15  +113
---
35
23
5   +102
--- EXIT
   
1, 2, [[20]], [28], 30, 11,
29, 19
 
[[9]], 17, [18], [36], 26, [16],
   
15, 23, 22, 32, 33
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1     1
2      2     2     2
3      3     3     3
4      4     4     4
5      5     5     5
6      6     6     6
7             7     7
8.            8
 
This is usually a good time to exit as the 100 spin barrier has been reached. The unit bets are getting bigger and all 4 Groups in the Table are close to being equal and therefore there is no Group leader.
 
I hope you had a very enjoyable dinner.
 
Richard

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 08, 2008, 08:34:24 PM
Mr. Chips

Thank you sir, I did!

OK, I was mistaken.  I thought I read it like this:  You go back to the last active section unless there is a section in the lead.  When I have:
4. 4

I go back to the 4 with no .

If I have 5 4 3 4 2 for example, I did not go back as 5 was ahead.

I'll change that!

Tell me more about the -100 and -50, the 100 spin rule and the fact the Sections are neck and neck.  Perhaps it's just something we must learn from experience, huh?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 09, 2008, 01:49:45 AM
Sam,
 
I think experience is very important with this system. Anyone can learn to drive a car in half a day, that is the basics. It's not until you get out onto the road that you get the feel of the car how it performs and practice to become a good and proficient driver.
 
It will take a lot of someones time to really learn this system and I would certainly understand if most people declined to put that amount of effort into it. I am into this for the long haul and over the coming weeks will test as many sessions as possible. I find this particular system fascinating (yes, I definitely should get out more lol) hopefully the results long term will justify my efforts.
 
I will now provide you with further explanations of the system. One important aspect of this system is to keep track of the number of spins at certain stages. By spin 50, hopefully you will have had a hit or two. This will cancel out early losses and possibly be in some profit. The session will go one of two ways either further hits from spin 50 to 100, so increasing the number of units on certain numbers and producing a good result or no more hits and at around spin 100 a realistic decision has to be made to exit within or about -50 units.
This system will produce enough winning sessions to easily accommodate those -50 losses. It wouldn't therefore make any sense to risk a bigger loss in the hope of turning the session around and getting a win.
 
There will be rare occasions when on getting to around spin 100 losses are over 50 units. It will require a hit just to get to within the -50 range and are able to then exit the session. If there are no hits and the  bets by this stage will be at least 10 units then a realistic exit must be made as near as possible to the -100 range. As previously mentioned exceptional wins of +200 will cancel out those losses.
 
The selective spins will allow you plenty of time to examine each session, check there are no errors when forming the sections, check the totals for each Group in the Table agree with the available numbers not forgetting noting additional units which have to be added to certain numbers. Its very easy to overlook adding units to numbers and therefore the Table totals and total available numbers will be adrift. It could also effect the result of a session.
 
An ideal Table is where one particular Group goes in the lead and in effect produces a trend. There is a good chance of a number of hits from such a Group. Be aware the other Groups will eventually do some catching up and always consider an exit at such a time.

In some sessions the Groups in the Table are say by spin 70 roughly equal e.g. 4 5 5 5. Because they are equal they will take it in turn to be the 'active ' Group and by doing so deny hits, which would otherwise have happened. In such circumstances there is the possibility of a loss at around spin 100.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 09, 2008, 02:36:18 AM
Mr. Chips

I, too, am in this for the long haul.  Thank you for your explanation.  It will really help me with my strategy.

I feel I should switch from Spielbank to Riverbelle Live as that is where I will be playing.  Soon I will play for money as the cold numbers are truly boring--need I tell you that?

One of the things I truly like about this system is you only bet every third spin at most; sometimes four or five spins happen between bets.  This gives the zero a little time to happen when it is not harmful.  Also, those two spins with no bet are great for the bathroom and coffee!!

We have few single 0 wheels here in the US.  I will try this on the 00 wheel sooner or later.  We have playing card roulette here in Oklahoma at our Indian casinos.  Really strange, but people I've talked to say there is no difference in the numbers produced. 

Some day I'll try it when they have a vigorish holiday.  Most times you have to pay fifty cents to bet. 

Thanks for all your help; you are a great teacher!

Samster

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: AnandMajumdar on August 09, 2008, 04:04:04 AM
pls learn it quickly sammy!
no one would indulge my stupid questions as much as you, so am waitng till u master it, then will wait for your download

love
andy
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 09, 2008, 09:41:51 AM
Andy

I have it!  With the last post, Mr. Chips answered all my questions.  (Now I must be careful not to offend the Master as I am still only the student.)  Yes, I would be willing to  teach you, but in my own words.  This may not be acceptable to Mr. Chips as he may want to teach you himself.  I am very new and may teach you a mistake!

We'll rock along a few more hundred spins.  I'm going to invest real money in it, although on fifty cents per bet.  I am more careful betting real money.  If it works for me, it will work for anyone.

Mr. Chips is an excellent teacher.  I may not be so patient.  If you make too many mistakes, I may make you stand in cybercorner with nose in circle! 

Flat-nosed Sammy
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Sundowner on August 09, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Hello everyone,

Mr. Chips do you play in Manchester casinos?
I'm permanetly based in Manchester. Well' usually i play online but sometimes i go to Circus casino in the city centre.

Sundowner.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 09, 2008, 03:01:44 PM
Hi Sundowner,
 
Welcome to the forum. I have played a few times in casino's in Manchester. I do like the Circus Casino, I guess the cigar dispensing machine has disappeared now lol. Recently I have played mostly in London and really must pay Manchester a visit soon. The restaurents in the city are just great.

Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 09, 2008, 09:58:34 PM
Mr. Chips

I am having a devil of a time with this system.  I've got it down to a science as far as the notations, but I went down 98u in 104 spins today and quit there.

Have you ever tried this on any wheel except Spielbank?  Do you believe certain systems will only work on certain wheels?

I will keep on trying.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 09, 2008, 10:19:31 PM
Mr. Chips

I am going to input my 104 numbers from todays session.  Wild Jack 8.9.8

26
0
29
13
19
16
22
24
14
34
13
35
17
30
35
30
33
6
35
28
21
16
36
4
3
30
11
25
23
18
21
30
19
16
2
24
12
9
5
33
14
6
21
8
10
24
29
18
26
14
8
35
4
32
6
26
13
15
27
31
33
15
21
36
13
8
21
31
24
36
12
23
19
21
33
23
12
27
34
1
16
21
26
1
6
3
9
11
13
1
15
13
26
26
17
32
23
26
26
22
32
19
22
23

I have double checked these numbers for accuracy.  Would you please run them see if you get a loss of around 98u?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 10, 2008, 03:19:23 AM
Sam,
 
The Wild Jack wheel shouldn't be a problem. If you can produce some more spins then we can see if the results are in line with Spielbank.
 
I realise now that I should clarify the rules on the availability of numbers and I apologise for any confusion. At the start of a session the first section is worked out and that gives us our first number.
 
26
0
29
13
---
19
16
22
---
 
There is no problem so far as the first section is a C section and we want the same again for the next section. We have the number 13 available so we can place our first bet.
   
We now have two numbers available 13 and 22.
 
24
14
34
   
For this third section we also want a C section next but we would need an L Group number and there are none available. It appears therefore to be a no bet, but those available numbers 13 and 22 would qualify for a MG section and therefore a bet is placed in the expectation of a M Group number coming in.
 
13
 
Did you have this down as a no bet?
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 10, 2008, 04:50:14 AM
I have revised the explanation of this system  on page 1 headed ' GROUP SECTIONS' in the hope that it will be understood by the majority of people here as I realise the difficulty you have had in understanding any of it.
 
I really do consider this system as something special based on the results of  the testing I have done so far. It really needs a number of other people to test it as well, different spins than Spielbank and then to confirm my assessment of the system or disagree and produce their results.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 10, 2008, 09:54:52 AM
Mr. Chips

Yes, I've been doing it wrong since the get-go.  Frankly, I think it's me, not you.  I've had this question all along, but I did not want to ask as I asked it once and that should have been enough.

I will rework those numbers.

You know, I might not have even asked the question.  This has been very confusing.  Here it is:

If you can have a

CG
LG
LG...........and that be an L section

Why can't you have an

LG
LG
CG.......and that also be an L section.  You see, I'm operating under the "knowledge" that you omit all repeaters until you have a non-repeater.

LG......omit
LG
CG
LG.....no an LG section.

Which is right?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 10, 2008, 09:59:17 AM
Did you have this down as a no bet?...you wrote

Yes, I would have, but those first numbers were the ones on the marquee before I actually was playing.  When I log on, there are 12 numbers showing and I quickly write them down.  My first actual bet was on the number 6 which is 18 number down.

30
33
then
6

I was wanting Complete Section so I bet HIGH group.

Sam
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 10, 2008, 10:55:45 AM
In your very first post you wrote:

12 LG
5 MG
20 LG
----
Two LG and one MG qualify.

13 MG
7 HG
9 HG.........two HG in a row and it still qualifies.
----
26 HG
6 MG
32 MG
----
4 MG
15 MG
21 LG
31 MG
----
Here there are two MG then LG and finally MG. There can only be one representative from each Group, therefore 4 MG and 15 MG count as one representative from the M Group.

The confusing parts are in red, of course.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 10, 2008, 11:32:48 AM
Sam,
 
I will try and nail down these last few problems.
 
CG
LG
LG is an LG section
---
LG
LG
CG cannot be an LG section. The first LG has to be ignored and then you are left with an incomplete section. There must be a third Group number to complete the section.
 
LG
LG
CG
LG is an LG section. The first LG is ignored and then you have 2 x LG and 1 CG.
 
I hope it's clear now that the number in the very first section of a session is noted in the Table and the numbers available area on the sheet. The next section there will be a bet.
 
If for example you had :
 
7
6
34
---
The first available number is 34 and this HG number is wanted again for the next section.
 
13
2
 
This second section is not going to be an HG section because 13 and 2 are not HG numbers. A bet will therefore be placed on 34 in the expectation of making a C section.
 
Come back to me if something is not clear.
 
I was just doing a bit of book keeping to see how the profit and loss is on this system so far. Not bad, just over 50 sessions :
 
3768 won
  603 loss
-----
3165 units profit
 
I just saw your last post as I was typing this out. Does the above solve the problem. I won't refer any more to one representative Group as it adds to the confusion, just simply say if there are four LG at the start of a section ignore the first three and you are left with one LG and then you need two more Groups to complete the section. Simple as E = MCSQUARED
 
Mr Chips
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 10, 2008, 04:41:05 PM
Mr. Chips

I feel we are having a failure to communicate.

I need a name.  I agree with the name "group" and "section" and "chart" but I have found no name for that place where you list the available numbers.  For this post, I am going to refer to that as the "hat" as we have all heard of numbers in a hat.  (bj says he'd rather pull numbers from a hat, but that's a different story.)

We are starting our trot.  I view the first three numbers and find it is a C section, a complete section having LG, MG, and HG.  The third number, the HG is 36.  Now I place a 1 under CG on the chart and I toss the number 36 in the hat under the heading LG as it is from the L group.  At this point I would love for my next section to be a C.  I am looking for a C because C is in the lead as there are no others.  If my next two numbers create the possibility or potential for a C section and the first two Groups are L and M, I can bet the number 36 hoping to form the complete section.  Is this right?

QUESTIONS:

1.  If you have a leader in the chart, say a 6 with the others far behind, then you can only bet the section that is the leader? And if it is only 1 ahead, 5 to 4, it is the bet.  Correct?
2.  If the section is a dotted (.) section and is tied with another section, and you can't bet the dotted section, then you refer back to the last active section and bet it if you can.  If not go to the third and it must be bettable.  Is all that correct?


Sam

Perhaps I need to run a hundred numbers and list exactly how and why I'm betting, which numbers are listed in the chart and which are in the hat and under what heading.  Would that help?
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 10, 2008, 05:49:22 PM
Mr. Chips

OK, I'm just not understanding.  I quote from reply #1, date 29 July 8:

"The first Section starts :

9
30
34
----

At the start of a session we note the last number in the section in this case 34 and place a 1 to denote it was an HG section.

LG MG HG  C
          1

The next Section  is :

12
5

We need a third number to complete the section. The previous result was an HG and therefore ideally we would like an HG number to come in to give us another HG result in the Table and as the only  number available is 34 we would want the same number to come in.

Unfortunately 12, 5, 34 would not produce an HG section, it would however make a C section and a bet can therefore be placed on 34."

Here is where I am really hung!  You only have a 1 in the Table and a 34 in the hat.  I am working under the assumption that your only possible bet would be if you could make an HG Section and you would want the number 34 to do that.  How can you bet for a complete Section when you have nothing listed in the table under CG?

Sam
 
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 10, 2008, 06:25:11 PM
Sam,

The first part of your post perfect, absolutely correct.
 
Questions
---------
1. A problem here.
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1    1
2      2           2
3                  3
                    4
                    5
                    6
 
You will know that the flexibility of C sections is such that there will always be an LG, MG or HG to complete a C section.
 
When C is in the lead in the Table it will never be necessary to have go to the next in line in this example LG because of the flexibility previously mentioned.
 
LG   MG   HG    C
1      1     1     1
2      2            2
3                    3
4
5
6
 
The situation is different in this example. If say the next section starts :
 
27
4
 
It is impossible to make an LG section and therefore the next in line is C  and any bets will require available LG numbers in order to complete a C section.
 
2. This is correct.
 
I will need to clarify :
 
13
2
 
In my post I was trying to set down a rule for the start of a session. The first section as you know gives us the first available number and we need to use that number for a bet in the next section.
 
There is only an HG section noted in the Table and in order to place a bet we have to expect one of the others in the Table to come in.
The only one that fits is a C section. We couldn't expect an LG or MG section as we wouldn't be able to chose. The only one that certainly qualifies is a C section.
 
This explanation is really to justify a bet on the second section, rather than have another no bet following the first section.
 
I don't think we really have a communication problem, it's a case of getting all the pieces of the puzzle sorted out and placed correctly in order to see the complete picture. You must be very close now to seeing how the complete system works.
 
Yes, referring to your last line a good idea. If possible make it 120 spins.
 
Mr Chips
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 10, 2008, 07:52:34 PM
Mr. Chips

I don't know if you believe in personal losing streaks or not, but I have been on one for a few days it would seem.

Possibly I've just gotten a bunch or rotten numbers every time I dipped into the well.

I'll try again.  This are clear now. 

Hopefully!!

Sam

EDIT:  I totally understand the Groups. I totally understand the Sections and how they are formed.  I totally understand the Table and how the Sections are listed and tracked.  I understand the Group Numbers where the available numbers are recorded according to Group.  I think now I totally understand the betting procedure and how and to place the bets and what Section we hope to form with what number.

I will go to work on the 120 numbers.  Will take some time.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: zee on August 11, 2008, 12:55:45 AM
Mr. Chips,

I have a doubt that needs your clarification. In your last post, you mentioned the following situation:

LG  MG  HG  C
1    1      1   1
2    2           2
3                 3
4
5
6

Next comes:

27  HG
4    MG

You said in the last post that since LG is leading, you would bet next LG numbers. However since the above 2 numbers do not contain LG, you would assume the next group C and still bet LG numbers.

My question is, what if MG or HG was the last active group, even though their standing is not 3? Wouldn't we be betting MG or HG. 

Thanks.

zee
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 11, 2008, 01:37:55 AM
zee

Thanks for ringing in on this!  Welcome to the forum.  I will await an answer along with you.

Actually, I think I could answer it, but I am still somewhat in the dark.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 11, 2008, 01:54:41 AM
Zee,
 
Thanks for your question.
 
The 'active' Group will only apply when they are equal in the Table e.g.
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1      1    1
2      2      2
3      3      3.
 
The . after the 3 denotes that HG is the 'active' Group as there is no clear leader.
 
In the example in your post C is in front over MG and HG and therefore is next in line to place a bet with available numbers for that Group.
 
Mr Chips
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: zee on August 11, 2008, 05:36:47 AM
THanks, Mr. Chips for your reply and hello and thanks to Sam for your welcome and efforts to have this promising system clarified.

So, Mr. Chips, in the following situation:

LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

where LG is leading , MG with a . was the last active group, and HG with a .. denotes the previous active group just before MG and C with same standing as HG

THen come the numbers

27  HG
4    MG

Since LG is leading, one would bet LG numbers, but as LG is not in the above 2 numbers, one would go to the group with the next standing of 3 i.e. HG or C instead of the last active group of MG with a lower standing. As HG was the previous active group before MG, one would then bet HG rather than C.

Is the above rule correct?

Thanks.

zee
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 11, 2008, 05:59:55 AM
Zee,
 
Yes in the example you gave that is correct. If the next in line are equal 3  3. then the 3. is the 'active' Group.
 
You may have seen I have revised page 1 in the hope that there is a clearer explanation of the system. I have referred to Group sections in the Table to avoid any confusion. Previously as you have done called them Groups. It's ok if you understand they are a record of sections and those sections will be LG, MG, HG or C sections.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 11, 2008, 06:05:25 AM
Sam,
 
It looks as if Zee may be the third person on the planet earth to understand this system :)
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 11, 2008, 06:07:44 AM
zee

I am going out on a limb here and answer.  This is a tentative answer and Mr. Chips may override it.  I am doing this for him to test me.


LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3          3..  3
4
5

There is no need for the 3 to have ..   The three should be 3. and no second dot.  No where did I read he used two dots.

Since LG is in the lead, if you had an LG in your next two, you would just go to your LG Numbers and use them.  Suppose you had an MG and an HG?  You could not use the leading LG numbers so you would go back to the HG because of the three 3s, it was last active.  You would bet your HG numbers.

Mr. Chips will read this later, so don't hold it as gospel--just think about it.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 11, 2008, 06:21:13 AM
Sam,
 
You are correct I overlooked the additional dot. I have reprimanded myself accordingly :)
 
Yes your explanation was perfect, I will be out of a job soon!
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 11, 2008, 09:12:28 AM
After understanding this system the next most difficult thing to grasp is when to exit in the likely event of an imminent loss in the -50 unit range.
 
The short answer is practice, practice and practice a number of sessions.
 
I will however offer guidance based on the number of sessions I have done so far.
 
If for example you had an early hit as shown in the Table and lets say it was LG. Now you are following C as it is well in the lead and you have had only one C hit. You have reached the 100 spin barrier and are down -24 units. You may consider taking a loss at this stage, as the column in the lead has only had just the one hit. The first hit you had in the LG column has now grown to 5 hits, but unfortunately it was not in the lead and you have had to follow the C column leader.
 
There are other considerations. At around 100 spins the number of units bet will have increased, for example the HG numbers may have 13 unit bets, the LG numbers 10 unit bets and the MG numbers just 5 units. I have experienced on a number of occasions where there have been a number of say MG bets, as the numbers are catching up with the other two Groups. These MG bets are therefore not so costly as the others and gives you a breathing space as your heading towards the - 50 unit deadline. If you are fortunate to get a hit now then it may result in you making a small profit or exiting with a very small loss.
 
If the Group sections in the Table are roughly equal e.g. 6 6 5 6 then I would recommend exiting with a -24 loss. They often seem to take it in turns to get a hit, but its never the one that you are following, which is very frustrating, so a loss will calm the nerves.

 
Sometimes at say spin 90 the loss may stand at -60 then you carry on until a hit, which should bring you to within the -50 unit range.
If the odd hit fails to bring you within this range then the -100 unit range kicks in and you must exit as near as you can to that -100 units. This should be a rare event.
 
I started this post with the recommendation to practice and it certainly helps to really understand the system. Many will consider it boring, ok, but it will be profitable in the long term.
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 11, 2008, 10:11:56 AM
Mr. Chips

No sir, you are not yet unemployed as your last post raised more questions.

I quote you:

"If for example you had an early hit as shown in the Table and lets say it was LG. Now you are following C as it is well in the lead and you have had only one C hit. You have reached the 100 spin barrier and are down -24 units. You may consider taking a loss at this stage, as the column in the lead has only had just the one hit. The first hit you had in the LG column has now grown to 5 hits, but unfortunately it was not in the lead and you have had to follow the C column leader."
 
Is an "early hit" a win or the placing of a 1 under the LG column?
The second red, "Now you are following........" is totally confusing.  Do you mean the 1,2,3,4,5 and so on under the CG column has far out run the ones under the LG column?  If so, and a hit is the placing of a number under a column, how can you "have had only one C hit"?
The third red, "You have had..."  Why have you had to follow a leader?  If I understand this, you never follow unless it's possible.  If you can't follow you go back to the previous leader.  So the word "had" really throws me.  Why have you "had" to follow column C?

See, you're not out of a job by any means.  You just doubled your class size, that's all.  I hope your pay increases.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: zee on August 11, 2008, 01:40:12 PM
Mr. Chips and Sam,

Thanks for the response. In my last post with the following situation:

LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

sorry for creating some confusion in my post as the double dots .. were used by me to denote "hierachy of activeness" where in this situation, MG was the "most recently active" group (which need not be the leading group or the next leading group), and HG with doulble dots .. was the active group "before" the most recently active group or shall we say, "the previous recently active" group.

THe "hierachy of betting" as I understand it is:

1.  Leading group (example LG above) comes first for betting. If one can't bet the leading group then

2.  One goes to the next i.e. the "most recently active group", in this case group MG denoted by 2.  But since this is of lower 
     standing of 2 compared to 3 then one looks at the groups with 3's (the next leading group)
     
3.  In the groups of 3's one looks for which group was "more recently active" compared with the other, in this case HG was "more   
     recently active" than the other group C and therefore one would bet HG.

I presume once hierachy of activeness has been noted, then the 3.. could be replaced with 3. and the 2. changed to 2

Thanks to Mr. Chips for your last post as I have met a case of very little hits with a long leading group.

zee



Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: zee on August 11, 2008, 02:34:19 PM
Mr. Chips,

I would like to put it in a different way.

The "hierachy of betting" as I understand it is:

1.   The leading group bets first. If one can't bet this group then

2.   Go to the next leading group. If there is only one "next leading group", bet it, or else

3.   If there are more than one next leading groups, bet the next leading group which is the "most recently active"
      if there are 3 next leading groups, or the "more recently active next leading group" if there are 2 next leading
      groups, the latter case being relevant when the most recently active group is not in the next leading group, as 
      mentioned in my last post.

Hope this is correct.

Regards,

zee
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 11, 2008, 06:30:34 PM
zee

Your question was better than mine; I took mine down.

Mr. Chips

I played today and went UP for a change 91u.  Then the casino would not confirm my bet, but it lost and then I lost the server and was done for the day.  I'm really up to speed except for the question zee asked and the one's I asked above.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 09:39:59 AM
Well, I finally done it!!  I ran the bloke off!!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 10:24:50 AM
zee

I think your method of using .. to mark the second most active is a good idea.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 01:23:23 PM
Sam & Zee,
 
I will try and sort out this problem with 'leaders' and 'active' Group sections before I get confused!
 
I don't think there is any problem with saying if a Group section in the Table is in the lead then that is the one to bet on.
 
If the following is showing in the Table :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1      1   1
2      2      2.   2
3
4
5
 
In this example the section cannot be LG as the section doesn't have LG numbers therefore the bet has to be on the 'active' Group section as there is no next leader. In this case HG is 'active' and HG available numbers will be used.
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1     1    1
2     2     2    2
3           3     3   
4                 4
5
 
LG doesn't qualify and the next leader is C so the relevant available numbers will used to to bet on the C Group section.
 
Zee, I should have pointed out in your last post that showing MG with a . is probably the cause of the confusion. When the . was placed the Group section would have been equal with another one. If the other one then goes in the lead then the . is no longer 'active' as leaders always take precedent over an 'active' Group section. So in effect the . is cancelled. I think you assumed it was still valid and that was my mistake in not pointing it out in your last post.
 
Sam,
 
I referred to ' you had an early hit' not there was an early hit, therefore a win. Yes C is in the lead 1,2, 3, 4, 5 etc. There was a win say at 4, so now there are two wins one gained at LG and the other C.
 
i don't get your next question as C is in the lead because it's had more hits than the others?
 
I was pleased to see you were up 91u. Are you still going to send the 120 spins for me to look at.
 
Yes the .. is a good idea.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 01:32:40 PM
Mr. Chips

Yes, I am going to send the 120 spins.  My wife is leaving shortly and I will be able to start.

I am having a bear of a time with Wild Jack Casino.  They sometimes won't let me bet until 18 of the 28 alloted seconds have elapsed.  This just blows my mind and causes mental mistakes.  Yesterday their server went down, too.

I'll study your answers and get back to you.

Thanks.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 12, 2008, 05:04:49 PM
Mr Chips,

I am having a rest from playing this week - so will test this system to see if it works.

I will use spins from the last month from the william hill live wheel. typically the spin sessions range from 50 spins on short side to 120 spins on long side. I do not have capacity to play for longer than that you see.

I will run the first test on here - to see if i understand your system.

I am not great at reading and i gather that you have tweaked your explanation in first few pages. I read first 2or 3 pages, then recent posts and saw there was some confusion and that you were editing your posts. i therefore re-read your early posts and have missed out most of the posts. So if i get your system - then anyone can and your editing worked. if i fail to get it then your editing is flawed.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 05:08:54 PM
Mr. Tuckster

Mr. Chips is very good at teaching.  Words are tricky things to use to convey meaning.  So much easier to teach in person.

I have put nearly two weeks into working on this system and fighting Wild Jack Casino at the same time.  I do feel he's onto something or I wouldn't continue to work at it.

Welcome to the fray!!  Now we are three.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 12, 2008, 05:13:58 PM
right then - here goes session. my latest from weekend. was 84 spins.

6 = root group 6 in MG.
1 = in Lower group.

so next number should give us a group.

10 = Lower group.

So

LG = 1  MG = 0 HG = 0 C = 0

10

next one out is 24= MG,
next one is 22 = MG,

we need 2 groups to look for a possible so we march on and 24+22 = just 1 group

next one is 20 which is a LG.

so now we have 1 lg and 1mg (24 and 22 count as one)

so the 7th number will form the set. we have only had a LG and we could get another - so our only bet is to go with number 10.

the 7th number is number 2. A LG number but not our punt.

therefore we are -1 in the p&l and the scorecard looks as follows

LG = 2,   MG =0,   HG = 0,   C= 0
10,2,

So LG is only active group and is winning.

the 8th number will be start of a new group.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 12, 2008, 05:23:56 PM
8th spin = 35 HG
9th spins = 4 MG

So we cannot nail a LG which is dominant and in lead. this is where i wish i had read more. do we play the LG numbers to look for a C or do we accept there is no bet and let the group conclude. since the C may be sleeping - I leave to conclude, but await guidance.

10 spin is 31 or MG. So MG is now active but LG dominant.

LG=2, MG=1, HG =0, C=0
10,2     31 

31 = MG,
36 = HG,

So we have no chance of a leader however the MG is now our active group and there is a chance of a MG so will bet number 31.

13th spin is number 33. A loser but MG.

so p&l is now -2

LG =2    MG = 2   HG =0    C=0
10,2       31,33

14th spins is 22 MG
15th = 35 or HG.

MG is now joint leader and is also the active one - so we punt on 31 & 33.

16th spin is the number 5.

Another MG but wrong number.

we lose 2units and p&l is now -4.

MG in lead with 3 and active numbers = 31,33 and 5.

17th spin = 23 MG
18th spin = 18 = HG
so again MG is option and we punt our 3 numbers above.

19th spin is 11 or LG. we have our first C and lose 3u so p&l is -7

how am i doing thus far (awaits some smart person to say i am 7u down).......
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 12, 2008, 05:29:59 PM
20th spin =32 MG,
21st spin = 4 MG so these two count as one
22nd spin = 18 or HG.

Mmmmm. Leader group is MG with 3 so that gets the nod ahead of active group (i think this is right) which would be C.

MG numbers are 5,31,33

spin 23 is 2. so we lose -3. we now have -10 in p&l.

C     &    LG = 2       MG = 3     HG = 0

2,11       10,2           31,33,5

Now this is where i go to re-read instructions. Did i do the right thing by keeping the 11 in the C section. something says that i should have put in LG numbers section.

The reason why i want to check is that if i had done this and if i had bet the active section rather then higher instance section, then i would have bet 10,2,11 and i would have won.

next spin will be 24 but im off to re-read (I hate reading!)
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 12, 2008, 05:43:44 PM
right - as thought the C number goes in relevant section, but luckily for me - the bet was right.

so spin 24 it is and we are -10.

s24 = 33,
s25 = 33,
s26 =6 (would be nice for followers of the system that says when a rg hit in 2 spins, back it in next one.....)
spin 27 = 19. so we have a MG and we have a LG.

MG is our leader with 3 and so we have 3 numbers, 33, 31 and 5.

spin 28 is number 27. a HG and our next C. C now has 3 and is joint leader but active. HG has a number at last. p&l -13.

spin 29 is number 5
spin 30 is number 29. so we have MG and a LG. C is our leader so we want a HG which means our lone number 27 is the one we bet on.

spin 31 is number 18. so hg but wrong number. so p&l is -14. Doing okay thus far for not hurting the old bank too much. 18 added to HG numbers.

spin 32 = 2, spin 33 = 13. here we are hunting a C and we have 18 and 27 as our weapons of choice....

spin 34 = 22. Another loser and we have a MG. P&L is -16.

I'll recap my tally so i dont forget.

C = 4     MG = 4 and active   LG = 2  and HG = still on a big fat zero.

numbers

31,33,5,22                   10 {2} 11            18, 27

note brackets around the 2 to signify that it has landed twice.

spin 35 is next up.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 05:52:44 PM
tuck

This is not a criticism, but I have grown accustomed to seeing things as Mr. Chips originally posted and I can't read your post very easily.

1LG
36HG

That is how he does it.

Two definitions:  The Table is where you note which Section is at what number or whether or not they are "last active".

LG   MG    HG    CG
1              1.
2
3

If this were a brand new trot, HG would trump LG as it is "last active".  Later, at spin #3,  LG takes the lead.

Next definition:

The Numbers Group.  I tried to call it "The Hat" but Mr. Chips would have none of it.  A stickler, he is!

LG    MG   HG
1
[1]

If the third number makes a CG:

LG
MG
HG

the number for HG goes under HG.

HG
MG
LG

Now goes under LG

LG
HG
MG

Now goes under MG

Sam

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 12, 2008, 05:56:06 PM
I have no idea whether this system will work or not by the way.

Just doing my share of testing since its always the same old souls that do it......

so spin 35 was 8, 36 was 5

we have a HG and a MG so we want a MG as our active leader and its a 17 for spin 37. boo hiss.

That gives us a HG and they are off the mark. we lose another 4, so -20.

spin 38 is 10, spin 39 is 19, spin 40 is 23. we have lg & mg so we want a mg since is joint leader last active. 4 numbers to bet on and spin 41 is 15. A middle group number but not one of ours. we move to -24.

spin 42 is 2, spin 43 is 13. again we are hunting mg since took lead with last hit to be 5 instances. we now have 5 numbers to stake on. spin 44 is 18. a hg number. we are now -25.

calling it a night tonight as i have heaps of work tomorrow. i will continue this though. would be good to get confirmation i am testing right.

scorecard as follows:

MG & C = 5 a piece    LG =2     and HG =1

31,33,5,22,15             10 (2) 11      (18),27,17

we will start with C as our active joint leader and next spin is 45. pl = -25

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 06:00:33 PM
tuck

I don't know either.  Will it work or not?  We'll find out.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 12, 2008, 06:02:19 PM
sam - if i read you right, i will revisit my format.

i also have the last active wrong. the last active = the last active number drawn from the wheel and not the last active group to land.

so as an example
1 LG
4 MG
6 Mg
-------
2LG
5MG
1LG
--------
Both the LG and MG have 1 win each. i took last active to be the LG from this point.

What you are saying is that Last active is decided by Last active number.

so next number as follows

8 HG
5MG = Last active number drawn is middle group and not LG which was my error. hence we now bet the MG. Is this correct.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 12, 2008, 06:19:44 PM
Ugh my mind must be slow still trouble picking this up :D Brain box hurts

So what was your result Tuck
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
tuck

Before we even ask about "last active", we must look at the Table......

LG   MG    HG    CG
1              1.
2
3

We see the Lg Section is in the lead.  No more to say....unless....you had this:

MG
HG

Since there is no Lg in the "Potential Section", we look back to who was "last active" and we see the HG was, although it was a couple of spins back.  Since we do have an HG in our Potential Section, we can bet the numbers we have in our Number Group under HG.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 06:24:14 PM
9

You'll get it!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 06:27:18 PM
I am sure there is still a problem with the 'active' Group section. I went back to the explanation I gave on page 1 in case I slipped up somewhere in explaining it.
 
I think I explained the 'active' Group section applies (perhaps I should have stipulated ONLY APPLIES) when two or more Group sections are equal e.g
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1    1
2      2     2.
 
LG, MG, HG are equal, but HG is the 'active Group section and therefore the betting will be on available HG numbers.
 
This is the only time the 'active' applies in the Table.
 
Bets will always go on the leader and if no leader then when two or more Group sections are equal the 'active' applies.
 
tucktuckster,
 
Congratulations you have a reasonable grasp of the system, I will reply in detail to your posts very soon.
 
Mr Chips
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 12, 2008, 06:28:06 PM
Yes Sam one day ;D

And also if it works why does it because A method needs something differant or special  for it  to over come the  casino edge  :-\
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 12, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
9

I think I've said enough.  Mr. Chips is back and he should answer that question.

I will only speak of things I am 99.9% sure of.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 07:22:04 PM
tucktuckster,
 
You understand the Group numbers so I will just show the numbers in the sections :
 
6
1
10
---
The first section completed, no bet, it provided the first available number 10 which is an LG. It is the first number in the list of available numbers.
 
24
22
20
2
---
The second section wanted an LG number in particular 10, as it is the only number available.
 
35
4
31
---
There was no LG in this third section and the only one it could possibly fit is C and numbers 2 and 10 are available.
 
31
36
33
---
 
The Table looks as follows :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1
2      2.
 
LG and MG are equal, but MG is the 'active' Group section and the bet will be on available MG numbers.
 
22
35
5
---
 
MG is now in the lead.
 
23
18
11
---
This result will give the first C
 
32
4
18
2
---
MG is still in the lead in the Table and bets will be on 5, 31, 33
 
33
33
6
19
27
---
 
A N LIST
 
[2], 10, 11
 
5, 31, 33
 
27
 
Note: 2 is a two unit bet
 
LG   MG   HG  C
1     1           1
2     2           2
       3           3.
 
MG and C are equal. The 'active' Group section is C
 
Most results for this system are between spin 100 and 150.
 
Let me know if any of the above needs further clarification and I will get back to you.
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 07:33:01 PM
Quote from: Natural9 on August 12, 2008, 06:28:06 PM
Yes Sam one day ;D

And also if it works why does it because A method needs something differant or special  for it  to over come the  casino edge  :-\

Natural9,
 
You have posed an interesting question. It will require a complex answer. I am going to test this system for several months and if the results are the same then, as they are now then I will attept to answer your question. It will then be very relevant.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 12, 2008, 09:49:30 PM
When I fully understand it I will crunch a few numbers as well
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 13, 2008, 05:36:07 PM
So far I have tested 58 spielbank sessions and 7 sessions have gone over 150 spins. I am not satisfied with all the results of these few sessions, as I think there may be better ways to deal with them. May be I am trying for perfection, but it falls short in the theme of the system.
 
I'll spend a few days looking at it and try and come up with an improvement.
 
This system is not set in stone and there could well be further improvements and suggestions are always welcome.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 13, 2008, 06:37:33 PM
Mr. Chips

I am attaching a sheet from today's action.  I think I have got my casino problem ironed out and things are looking up.

I was going to get you that 120 spins, but I hit my profit goal of 100 units in about six spins.  Actually won 126 units.

I think I've got the hang of it.  I cannot use the brackets so my notation of 4 by the 21 means 4 bets.

For Sam, good enough is good enough.  Perfection is a pipe dream.

Sam

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Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 13, 2008, 07:34:52 PM
Sam,
 
Another good result. I have to point out you put 4 M at the beginning of your worksheet then made an error of 4 L further down and repeated it again. Also 32 H instead of 32 M.
 
Whenever you get a chance between selective spins, check the sections to make sure they are correct. As I have said before errors will correct themselves further on, but you could miss out on a hit!
 
4
36
32
---
19
34
1   -1
---
14
31
2
21  -2
---
2
23
35  -4
---
4
9
10  -6
---
4
22
31
24
12
21  -7
---
8
24
21  +68
---
17
20
32  +96
---
1
7
21  +94
---
 
A N LIST
 
[32]
 
1, [[[21]]], 10
 
35
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1           1
2                   2
3                   3
4.                  4
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 13, 2008, 08:02:03 PM
How do I make so many mistakes??

Don't answer that!!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 14, 2008, 05:29:22 PM
I like the logic in this - but my sessions are not long enough to do this justice.

in the short period of testing several things leapt out at me.

1) in a cycle of say 50 spins, we are likely to get 1 group - ie LG hit 1 or 0 times. There are also likely to be 2 groups that will dominate..... ie will hit more than others. Maybe just 1 group....

2) in a cycle of 50 odd spins we are likley to get 8 or 10 sleepers overall

Now - when looking at the reason why this one plays best in 100+ spins, i think it could be that it take a large number of spins to get any numbers to bet on.

what about this tweak.

track groups in same way - ie LG / HG etc.

However for numbers shown - rather than tracking the numbers that hit as group completes - ie a LG number - why dont we simply track all of the numbers that land into the groups.

so for example.

1
7
3

would be

1 LG
7 HG
3 LG


1,3,     -     7

then as the numbers progress, we might get

4
2

at which point, we would be looking for a LG since is dominating and so we play ALL of the LG numbers that have shown to date.

Why might this work - we are using the LG / HG as a means of selecting the group to attack and we are also eliminating all of the numbers not hit or the sleepers.

I have picked a session at random to test. was from 8th of last month i think and is 49 spins. I'll do a quick trial and see if this could be a variation for a shorter session....
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 14, 2008, 05:57:12 PM
24
4
20

= MG

24
16
30

= C

17
34
12

= HG

So after 9 - we have some numbers but none in lead. will let go for another pop and see the leader.

23
32
29

= MG

so   LG   MG    HG    C
             1       1     1
             2.

numbers

2,30,12,29            4,(24),23,32              16,17,34,

1
32
so we are looking for a middle group - so i think play MG numbers = all just 1u though

so play 4,24,23,32

26 = high group

so   LG   MG    HG    C
             1       1     1
             2              2.

numbers

2,30,12,29 ,1           4,(24),23,(32)              16,17,34,26

10,19 - both are low group. not dominating, not active so no bet

7

so   LG   MG    HG    C
        1.    1       1     1
             2               2
1,2,10,12,19,29,30        4,23,(24),(32)           7,16,17,26,34

32
9

no we have a dilema. a mg and a c. both are level. rather than mess around i am tempted to play both groups but last active was C so i will play them.

play the 7 numbers for a C.

25. so lose.

so   LG   MG    HG    C
        1    1       1     1
             2        2.    2
1,2,10,12,19,29,30        4,23,(24),((32))          7,9,16,17,25,26,34

-11.

now 29
16

so HG is our play - 7 numbers again.

13 lands. another C. they take lead.

-18

14,11,

so we need a high group number for a C. there are 7 of them.

its a 2. so a LG. this isnt going so well since groups not trending.

so   LG   MG    HG    C
        1    1       1     1
        2.    2       2    2
                             3
1,(2),10,11,12,19,(29),30        4,13,14,23,(24),((32))          7,9,(16),17,25,26,34

-25

next is an 8, then 25 = HG so no bet on this one
4
1,(2),10,11,12,19,(29),30        (4),13,14,23,(24),((32))          7,8,9,(16),17,(25),26,34

27
21

HG dominant and active - so play 9 nos

14. another Loss

C n ow dominant

34
17
= 2 high ones so no bet on
14

24
24

no bet
10

7
36
so no bet
12

pretty much out of time and its loss central.

a quick interesting observation.

every time we had first 2 spins from same group, we had a 3rd spin land that was from other 2 groups.

might be coincidence. might be timing. i have spent a lot of time looking at the dozens and you would expect longer runs than this?
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 14, 2008, 07:30:50 PM
tucktuckster,
 
What you are suggesting is more than a tweak!
 
The 4Selecta system was designed to create sections of LG, MG, HG and C and develop a structured system to take advantage of various trends of Groups, numbers and accumulated hits, leading to positive results, especially in the 90 to 130 spin range.
 
In addition the structured system makes it possible in the majority of cases to have minimal losses within the -50 unit range.
 
The small number of losses in the -100 unit range is currently under review to find improvements.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 14, 2008, 07:45:38 PM
Mr. Chips

More later, but I am learning that when is a horse race and no Section is out in the lead, things tend to go bad.  When a Section has the lead and there are several numbers in the A N G, things go better.

Sam

Almost 150 spins.  Will try harder tomorrow.

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Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 14, 2008, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on August 14, 2008, 07:45:38 PM
Mr. Chips

More later, but I am learning that when is a horse race and no Section is out in the lead, things tend to go bad.&nbsp; When a Section has the lead and there are several numbers in the A N G, things go better.

Sam

Almost 150 spins.&nbsp; Will try harder tomorrow.

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Sam what was the outcome W/L

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 14, 2008, 10:24:40 PM
Rodney

I think it pulled within the -50 range there at the end.  Frankly, I had to hurry away so the cleaning lady could come and did not have time to finish.

I did notice that once the CG started to pull away, bets started winning.  Of course, CG has three groups of available number from which to choose.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 15, 2008, 02:56:28 AM
Sam,
 
Your latest work sheet was a very helpful contribution in helping me sort out the -100 range problem. Most times it will be possible to exit within the -50 range, which will always ensure a good profit.
 
25
4   -1
21  -2
23  -3
17  -5
24  -6
19  -9
4   -11
35  -15
22  -19
29  -22
14  -27
0   -32
3   -37
8   -42
29  -47
36  -52
4   -57
13  -62
1   -67
9   -73
32  -80
17  -88
6    -96
10  -105
6   -78
15  -88
23  -63
20  -74
32  -81
17  -93
35  -105
21  -117
23  -93
34 -106
32  -47 EXIT
 
I only found one discrepancy and that was at spin 107
 
9
11
32
 
I had it as wanting LG and not CG, it could be I slipped up.
 
Thanks
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 15, 2008, 05:31:33 AM
Not so bad then limit losses to increase winnings good motto to go by
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 15, 2008, 09:49:42 AM
Mr. Chips

I'd like to give you a situation I have encountered.  Here is my chart:


LG   MG  HG  CG
1      1.    1
2             2.   
              3
             

Here's my worksheet:

1LG
4MG
I want this to become a HG as it's in the lead on the Chart, but that is not possible.  Now do I go back to the LG which was ahead a couple of spins ago, or do I go back to the MG as it was the "last active" in this case.  The MG 1. was the one just before the HG 3.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 15, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
Sam,
 
You go to the next one in the lead which is LG.
 
The 'active' is when they are level in the Table as there is no clear leader.
 
Mr Chips
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: zee on August 15, 2008, 02:34:15 PM
Mr. Chips & Sam, tthanks for your responses to my last post.

Mr. Chips, referring to your reply to my last post, probably I have not made myself very clear in my post.

I would like to go in a step by step way to put forth my question:

First of all, assuming we have the following situation:

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2           2    2
3                 3.
4
5

where LG is leading and C is the last active group. The next 2 numbers come in

2  LG
9  HG
          <----- we would bet LG since LG appears in the above numbers and LG is leading.

But next number that comes in is 27 (HG) and we lose, as follows:

2  LG
9  HG
27 HG      giving a HG section
-------
   
The table now becomes:

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2           2    2
3           3.   3..
4
5

Now LG is still leading, HG is now active and C was the 'previous' active group and denoted by me with double dots 3..

The next 2 numbers are

5  MG
19 LG
          <----- we still bet LG numbers since LG is still leading.

But next number is 24 (MG) and we lose, giving

5  MG
19 LG
24 MG     a MG section, resulting in the following:
-------

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

Now LG is still leadiing, MG is now active, HG is now 'previously active' group and I denote it with HG 3..
The double dots in the earlier C 3.. is now removed to show C 3
By denoting HG 3.. I differentiate HG 3 with C 3 to indicate which group is 'more active earlier' since
they are in the sam standing of 3 as the 'next leading groups' after LG

The next 2 numbers that appear are:               

13  MG
35  HG
           <------ since LG does not appear in these numbers, we bet the next leading group with standing of 3
                      namely HG or C instead of MG even though MG is active, but is at the lower standing of 2

Now which group HG or C to bet? Since HG as indicated by 3.. is more active earlier than C, we should bet HG.

The above scenario was what I have been trying to present.

Is the above correct as per your rule, Mr. Chips?

Thanks and best regards.

zee
                       





Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 15, 2008, 04:57:03 PM
Zee,
 
I was hoping the explanation I gave at the bottom of page 10 sorted this particular problem.
 
'Active' Group sections are relevant ONLY when two or more Group sections are level in the Table. They are relevant then because either there is no leader or if a bet cannot be placed on the leader, then if say two or more of the other Group sections are level the bet will be on the 'active' Group section.
 
I hope this explanation and the post on page 10 will make it clear.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: zee on August 16, 2008, 03:22:48 AM
Mr. Chips,

According to you, 'active' group only comes in when 2 or more groups are level.
In my last post, with the following table:

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

and next two numbers:

x MG
X HG

where we can't bet the leading LG, the next level of HG and C are now considered for betting.
According to you, only 'active' group in this level of 3 is considered since there are two groups
in this level. But please bear in mind, none of these two groups are 'active'. The active group is
MG with 2.

Are we then to go to next level 2 and bet MG?

If not, if level 3 groups have to be considered, then we have to establish which of the level 3
groups is 'more active' than the other going back into history. That is why my double dots
3.. become relevant, or is it not?

zee
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 16, 2008, 09:08:53 AM
Zee,
 
I see your problem and will try and explain it this way. You can't have an 'active' Group section if it's on it's own, as shown in your example where MG is 2.
 
HG and C are joint leaders after LG. Supposing C was the most recent 3 then as soon as a level Group section appears a . is placed in this example by the C section to denote it is the 'active' Group section.
 
Where possible we want to place bets on leaders and if this is not possible then we chose the most 'active' Group section whenever they are level in the Table.
 
I hope this helps.
 
Mr Chips

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: zee on August 16, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Mr. CHips,

Thanks for your explaination. I get it now.

So 'active' group applies to only level groups, and as soon as a new level group appears after another level group/groups,
denote it as 'active' with a dot ( . ), and apply for betting when level groups are to be considered.

Best regards.

zee



Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 16, 2008, 02:40:11 PM
Hopefully I have resolved the problem with the -100 spin range, which I thought wasn't right for this system.
 
I considered various options, but in the end settled for a final exit at spin 160 or thereabouts depending when a section ends.
 
This does mean occasional losses will be in the -150 range. The highest loss so far is -156 units, but as always exceptional wins will cancel those out.
 
Losses at the -50 range have proved to be very good for keeping them to a minimum. Further testing will prove the worth of the 160 spin exit.
 
The profit from 59 Spielbank sessions is 3197 units and hopefully further tests will add to this in the future.
 
Further results for August :
 
5.8 = 107 spins, 30 selective spins = + 237
6.8 = 106 spins, 32 selective spins =   0
7.8 = 119 spins, 32 selective spins =  -24
8.8 =   91 spins, 25 selective spins = + 221
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 16, 2008, 03:14:29 PM
Mr. Chips

OK, let's say I'm at the 100 spin mark and down 100 units.  I plow ahead to spin 160 regardless?  Or if I work my way back to -50, quit?

If one Section is three or four in the lead with lots of numbers in the Available Numbers Chart, do I continue?

Are we getting into the subjective here?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 16, 2008, 04:11:34 PM
Sam,
 
You have to consider all the information that is available to you e.g.
 
1. Did you reach spin 100 without a win? If yes then exit at the first opportunity in the -50 range.
 
2. During the session were the Group sections often level? This can be a warning that the session is likely to end in a loss.
 
3.If say the leader is C and is well in front of the others, but has had only 2 hits and the others are catching up with hits and the available numbers are increasing say especially LG with a 15 unit bet and the C bets are increasingly for LG numbers, then its bad news.
Its likely to be a 160 spin exit, with hopefully some hits to get a loss of around 150 units.
 
4. You may have had a couple of wins and even though your down 100 units the available numbers say HG is being kind to you as their bets are 6 units, LG 12 units and MG 15 units. The lower unit bet may give you a chance for some wins and say you get down to -25 at spin 125, you can risk a couple more bets especially in this example if they are HG. If no wins then you can exit still in the -50 range.
 
Tests have shown there are more wins than losses and therefore if there are some positive signs say you are on leader C and HG is closing fast and catching up C and HG has had a number of hits then a 2 or 3 unit hit will ensure a win.
 
Practicing sessions will help enormously to make decisions and make sound decisions.

I hope this helps.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 17, 2008, 04:14:26 PM
Have now completed testing Spielbank for January 2008.
 
Date     spins    selec spins     +/-
21.1      108         31            - 41
22.1      155         43            -150
23.1      106         30            + 26
24.1       89          26            +180
25.1      108         28            +122
26.1       90          23            + 80
27.1       80          22            + 56
28.1      115         31            + 25
29.1       60          17            +133
30.1      109         30            + 24
31.1       96          28            + 39
 
Total January +1651
                   -  620
                  -------
                   +1031
 

Jan +1031
Jul  +1717
      ------
      +2748
 
Aug 1-8 +943
 
Total 70 sessions +3691 units
 
It will be interesting to see how the totals compare for each month.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 17, 2008, 05:13:30 PM
Mr. Chips

Well, I finally got one!!  Yesterdays numbers from Riverbelle hit 225u at about spin 110 or so.  I had hit 100 at about spin 25 or so and thought about quitting.  Didn't know what to do so I played through.  Had I finished, I would have wound up with 138 after about 165 spins.

I can honestly say I would have gotten out at the 200u profit mark.

More later.

By the way, I know how tedious this work can be.  I have almost totally memorized the groups.  Thanks for all your hard work on this.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 17, 2008, 05:37:35 PM
Sam,
 
Great result. Deciding when to exit a session can be very difficult. When a session goes to 200+ I definitely exit at that point.
 
Getting 100+ early in the session is especially difficult. If its the result of one number, I would exit. If different numbers from single unit bets, I would probably stay in for a while and if no wins exit around +60 units.
 
Testing can be tedious, but its better than Suduku just can't do the difficult ones lol.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: ChickenDinner on August 17, 2008, 06:37:01 PM
My God, this is one hell of a complex system....I can normally grasp most pretty quick, but this is something else. It's hurting my head trying to understand it...

Best of luck with it guys and I hope it continues to win for you.

CD
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 17, 2008, 06:54:13 PM
Someone on the forum once said if you can learn a system in five minutes, forget it!

This one has taken me a tad longer than five minutes, but I really think I've got the mechanics down.  Now just the subjective portion remains.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Panopticon on August 18, 2008, 08:07:55 AM
Hey Mr Chips! First of all thank you for this system and the hard work. I took a look at it and decided it to give a shot in DB practice mode in order to see if I understand it and I will post it analytically so you can tell me if I made a mistake playing:

35   HG                     
8     HG
31   MG
8     HG
============

LG MG HG C
         1

HG: 8
MG:
LG:
=============
32  MG
31  MG
22  MG
14  MG
14  MG
9    HG         
29   LG          <--- HG is ahead so we bet 8, 29 comes and we lose
=============

LG MG HG C
          1  .1

HG: 8
MG:
LG: 29
=============

4  MG
8  HG
18 HG          <----Since C and HG all have 1, C is the last active so we bet missing LG, 29. 18 comes and we lose
=============

LG MG HG C
          1  .1
          2

HG: 8,18
MG:
LG: 29
=============

18 HG
4   MG
21  LG   <--- HG leads so we bet 8,18. 21 comes and we lose
=============

LG MG HG C
.1       1   1
          2  .2

HG: 8,18
MG:
LG: 29,21
=============

11 LG
18 HG
1  LG   <--- C last active so we must bet MG but MG has no numbers available, what do we do here???? No bet??? I bet the next choice
                    HG 8,18   and lost
=============

LG MG HG C
1       1   1
..2      2   .2

HG: 8,18
MG:
LG: 29,21,1
=============
22 MG
8   HG   
3   LG    <---LG leads but there is no LG so we use C and bet 29,21,1. 3 comes and we lose
=============

LG MG HG C
1       1   1
.2      2    2
               3

HG: 8,18
MG:
LG: 29,21,1,3
=============

14 MG
5   MG
6   MG
33 MG
15 MG
21 LG
21 LG      <--- C leads so we bet the missing HG 8 and 18. 21 comes we lose
=============

LG MG HG C
1       1   1
.2       2   2
.3            3

HG: 8,18
MG:
LG: 29,[21],1,3
=============

25 HG
0
27 HG
36 HG
29 LG
12 LG      <--- LG last active so we bet 29,1,3 one unit and 21 two units, but again we lose as 12 comes
==============

LG MG HG C
1       1   1
.2       2   2
.3            3
4

HG: 8,18
MG:
LG: 29,[21],1,3,12
=============

23 MG
3   LG
35 HG  <--- LG lead so we bet 29,1,3,12 one unit and 21 two units and we lose as 35 comes
=============

LG MG HG C
1       1   1
.2       2   2
.3            3
4            .4

HG: 8,18,35
MG:
LG: 29,[21],1,3,12
=============

24 MG
21 LG
4  MG  <--- C last active we play 8,18,35 and we lose as 4 comes
==============

LG MG HG C
1   1  1   1
.2       2    2
.3            3
4            .4

HG: 8,18,35
MG: 4
LG: 29,[21],1,3,12
=============

11  LG
0
10  LG
36  HG
15  MG         <---We play 4 as C is last active and we lose as 15 comes
==============

LG MG HG C
1   1  1   1
2   .2  2    2
.3            3
4            .4

HG: 8,18,35
MG: 4,15
LG: 29,[21],1,3,12
=============

7   HG
16 HG
35 HG
17 HG
36 HG
20 LG
26 HG       <---We play 4,15 and we lose as 26 comes
==============

LG MG HG C
1   1  1   1
2   2  2    2
3     .3    3
4           .4

HG: 8,18,35,26
MG: 4,15
LG: 29,[21],1,3,12
=============

35 HG
35 HG
13 MG
8   HG         <---we play the last active, so 29,1,3,12 one unit and 21 two units and we lose as 8 comes
==============

-34 units in 61 spins up to here....

Regards!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 18, 2008, 02:24:40 PM
Panopticon,
 
Thanks for taking the trouble to understand this system, just a bit of practice and you will be a 4Selecta pro player :)
 
The only discrepancy I found was with The Table:
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1.          1   1
             2   2.
 
HG: 8, 18
MG:
LG: 29, 21
 
There are four available numbers and they must always agree with the Group sections in the Table, which here shows five. The 1 under LG is an error.
 
Up to spin 61 the Table should be as follows:
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1    1
(2)          2    2
3            3    3
              4    4
                    5
 
13 Group sections = 13 available numbers (including 8 & 21 two units each)
 
If you look further down a C result was placed under MG. I still make mistakes it's easily done, that's when you can do checks between selective spins and rectify errors and as the session progresses take stock of all the information that is available deciding on a good time to exit etc, which I have outlined previously.
 
Make sure you understand the 'active' Group section, which again I have explained in great detail in previous posts.
 
If you can supply the remaining numbers and a result I will examin it and help with any queries.
 
I hope your efforts to understand this system will be repaid in making steady long term profits.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Panopticon on August 18, 2008, 04:11:36 PM
Thank you for your time Mr Chips,

you are right about that LG mistake, probably a copy paste error there  :) Yes it is easy to get confused!

I actually played about 70 spins and I think was like -45 units to that point and stopped so no point to continue with this session....

To tell you the truth I cannot understand what made you do this bet selection  and if there is something special about it:D

Anyway I will practice it a bit more to completely grasp it. Your test results are quite impressive of course.

Any chance you will post your EC method of yours you mentioned?? I would be very interested in that too :)

Best Regards!

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 18, 2008, 05:16:50 PM
Panopticon,
 
Most results for this system are between 90 and 130 spins and when you have played through a few sessions then hopefully you will see the point.
 
My EC method is far more complex than 4Selecta :o It involves converting Red and Black into various symbols. I have used it successfully for a number of years. It really needs to be explained in a book, as there is a lot of material, but I have had to shelve this project for the present.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 18, 2008, 05:59:52 PM
Wouldnt mind seeing your EC system  Mr Chips and would it be good for baccarat

Regards Rodney







Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 18, 2008, 06:13:24 PM
Rodney,
 
The EC method is too complex too explain here and my time will be taken up testing 4Selecta.
 
I'm not familiar with baccarat, just a fascination with roulette.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 18, 2008, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: Mr Chips on August 18, 2008, 06:13:24 PM
Rodney,
 
The EC method is too complex too explain here and my time will be taken up testing 4Selecta.
 
I'm not familiar with baccarat, just a fascination with roulette.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips

Baccarat is EC and has lowest edge in the house beside blackjack played with perfect basic strategy

You can get 80 decisions an hour at times which is about one shoe

regards Rodney

 

 

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Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Panopticon on August 19, 2008, 06:11:47 AM
Hey Mr Chips,

well I tried a little longer session this time as you proposed, 111 spins in DB (fun mode). The final result was +186 units. I was +95 units at spin 30, and +152 units at spin 83.  Well in a real case scenario I would have thought quiting at spin 30, and I would sure quit at spin 83.

Made a total of 29 bets and won 5...This is impressive I think because I noticed that 3 of the winning numbers were the ones with more than one unit on them, and the 2 numbers with the single unit at the time I won, later in the game repeated... I do not know I this is luck or your method should work this way...It would be more obvious to expect single unit numbers to hit, as they are more in each bet...

Anyway just a question how do you deal with zero? I mean in the case that you are for example to place a bet with the available numbers of a group but zero appears. Do you bet again the same numbers or skip the bet? I think you would ignore zero and bet again....

Best regards!!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 19, 2008, 07:36:45 AM
Panopticon

If you still have your Chart, did you have one Section that outdistanced the others?  Or two?  Were all four Sections about even? 

I'm trying to get a feel for when things are going wrong.  I'm sure that's the main difference between Mr. Chips win record and mine.  He knows when to get out and when to hold on for better things to come.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Panopticon on August 19, 2008, 09:17:52 AM
Hey Sam it looked something like that at the end:

H   M   L   C
..1   1   ...1   .1
...2   [2]   ..2   .2
...3   .3   ..3   [3]
...4   4   ..4   .4
...5   5   .5   ..5
...6   6   [.6]   ..6
..7   7   .7   
.8   [8]      
[9]         

HG kind of increased in the end, it was far behind most of the time.

Mr Spins has stated that when 3 of the groups are at level most of the time is not a good thing for the session.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 19, 2008, 09:22:57 AM
Panopticon


Mr Spins has stated........Who?  Mr. Who?  Cracked me up early in the morning.

Yes, I recall that and I think that's the key to this system.  Reading the Charts correctly.

Thanks..

Samster
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Panopticon on August 19, 2008, 09:41:40 AM
Oooooops!  ;D
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 19, 2008, 10:08:17 AM
Who is this Mr Spins, looks like an impostor ;D
 
Panopticon,
 
A great result. I just checked the statistics and so far 72% of the results for this system ( I have included losses -50 range) have been between 90 to 130 spins. Getting good results early on in the session will persuade most people to exit and take a decent profit. In most cases that's probably a good decision. Having tested quite a few sessions now, as I mentioned to Sam, my take on this is, if the early wins are the result of one number then definitely exit. If it's the result of different numbers and single units then I would continue for a while and take just over half the original profit, if there were no further wins.
 
Usually zero's can be ignored unless they are on the betting line( the third Group of the section). The zero has to be present on that line as the bet is a loss, but of course  it's not noted in the Table or recorded in the list of available numbers.
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 20, 2008, 12:03:03 AM
Mr Chips Gidday mate

just a question on sessions. You talk about session being betwen 90 -130 spin which is 2 -3 hours playing time. If I wanted to go play another session do you pick another table or how do you do it

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 20, 2008, 02:54:07 AM
Rodney,
 
A very interesting question.
 
I am fortunate here in the UK, especially in London as there are a great many casino's. I like to move around and would not play at the same Table twice in one day. I know many people will disagree with this and say it doesn't make any difference and maybe that's true, it comes down to my approach to the game and what works for me.
 
If I have a losing session, then I finish for that day and will go to a different casino the next day.
 
I think in any form of gambling you must have a good mental attitude and after all we are human and not machines and if moving to another Table or casino puts a person in a good frame of mind, a fresh start, I think it's a positive thing to do.
 
Don't ever play a session if your tired, it's important to concentrate, especially if your using a complex system.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Panopticon on August 20, 2008, 08:39:04 AM
Well Mr Chips the big problem with your system is when to decide to stop... ;D

For example in a test session I was -62 units at about 130 spins. The wise thing to do would be exit there, but if I continued at about 140 spins I would be +26 units. Then it went further down, but I would probably stop at -62 units, considering 130 spins require 2 hours playing...

In another test I reached -98 units at about 100 spins (100 units is my theoretical stop loss), continuing I got +58 units on 137 spins. I would exit there for sure in a real game (50 units profit I think are more than enough). I continued the session to see the ending and then at the end of the table numbers, that was 207 spins, I was +263 units. The Low group got really dominant, hitting like crazy...

I suppose only through a lot of practice can somebody make good decisions  :-\
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 20, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
" 50 units profit I think are more than enough"
 
You won't get filthy rich thinking like that ;D
 
Panopticon,
 
Having understood this system, comes the difficult part of when to exit a session. Its important, as Sam has pointed out recently, that you take notice of what's going on in the Table. If your on a clear leader in the Table and got a few wins, watch out for the others if they start to catch up. If Group sections in the Table are often level and you are down, exit at the most opportune time, depending on the number of spins and how many units you are down.
 
If the bets are getting large definitely take that into account, when considering an exit.
 
You may have been up say 50 units, then down -20, up 50 units, then up 70 units by spin 100. Yes continue and exit at around 50 units if it goes down again.
 
My tests have shown results(including losses -50 range) are in the 90 to 130 spins, 72 % of the time. When you have done a few tests it would probably be a good idea to keep your own record to see how it compares with what I have produced.
 
If you exit too early in some sessions you will not get the exceptional wins, which will be needed to cancel out the higher losses when they occur.
 
Yes you are right a lot of practice is required and I am certain you will make  long term profits as a result :)
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: ChickenDinner on August 20, 2008, 11:22:49 AM
Hi guys,

I think I've sussed it, but I just want to be 100% sure I am doing it right when it comes to bet selection. I am sorry if this is explained in the thread, but for me to be sure, I have 2 simple questions for those of you proficient in this area (there seems to be a growing number!):


Q1) Am I right in thinking that we always bet the most active group, with only one exception: when the most active group is not shown in the section we are about to bet on? Example:-

2 (lg)
30 (lg)
3 (lg)
4 (mg)

Say we want to bet the HG number/s now because this is our most active group, am I right in thinking that we can't because there is not a HG showing? So, in this situation, I'm assuming we simply bet the next most active (and if any these next-most-active groups are level in active-ness, we simply bet the group that was last active).


Q2) If the 'completed group' is the most active, do we simply bet the group that would complete the section? I.e, CG is most active, so in the following example, would we bet the HG number/s to complete the group - that is, regardless of their activeness (or if level with another group, last-activeness)?

3 (lg)
4 (mg)

Thanks for helping me in advance[smiley=thumbsup.gif] . Once I'm 100% sure that I've got it, I'll start to test Hamburg spins on a daily basis.

CD




















Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 20, 2008, 12:16:27 PM
" I think I've sussed it"[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
 
ChickenDinner,
 
Congratulations, I think your number 5, only 999,995 to go lol.
 
The question of 'active' has been explained in detail previously, but I will explain it here, as I know it is one of the troublesome parts of the system to understand.
 
In the Table we want to bet on leading Group sections, where possible. The only time we will bet on an 'active' Group section is when two or more Group sections are level e.g.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   
2    2     2
3    3     3.
 
There is no leader. The . denotes that HG was the most recent section to come in and therefore is the 'active' Group section and bets will be on HG available numbers.
 
If as in your example its impossible to make an HG section, then we go to the next 'active' Group section, say MG. If MG comes in then it becomes the leader and we are no longer interested in 'active' GS.
 
If the next section cannot be MG only then do we go back to the 'active' GS and the HG with the 3. will qualify and bets will be placed on available HG numbers.
 
I hope this answers your questions 1 & 2, if it's still a problem, check my previous explanations and if there is still something that isn't clear I will try to sort it out for you.
 
Yes get testing as much as time and your head can stand it. I will be interested to see your results.
 
Mr Chips
 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: ChickenDinner on August 20, 2008, 01:00:49 PM
Hi Mr Chips - thanks for your quick reply.

I get it now  ;D. However, I'm not quite one of the 5 yet...I'd like to just quickly check with you that I was right about bet selection when 'completed group' is leading.

That is, in these instances do we simply bet the numbers from the group that completes the section?

E.g,

LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   1
2    2     2   2
3    3     3.  3
                 4


2 (lg)
30 (lg)
3 (lg)
4 (mg)

CG is leading so we must bet HG to complete the section?


Thanks again

CD
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 20, 2008, 01:41:39 PM
ChickenDinner,
 
Yes, in your example an HG available number is required.
 
The C Group section is the most flexible of the sections, as it will require different available numbers at different times during a session.
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 20, 2008, 02:59:55 PM
I have referred to a probable loosing session when the Group sections in the Table are consistently level. I have set out below an example of such a session. It can be a very frustrating session and an early exit is the best solution. Unfortunately a higher than usual loss is the result, but we can draw comfort that even larger wins will cancel this out.
 
Anyone testing this system will eventually come across such a session and I would be grateful if they would give me the details, as at some future date I would like to examine them in detail to see if a tweak or two is possible.
 
Spielbank-Wiesbaden 14.08.08
 
32, 6, 23
 
9, 18, 36
 
28, 3, 20
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2    2
(3).  3    3
 
32
9  -1
28 -2
6   -3
18 -5
23 -7
36 -10
3  -13
20 -16
3  -19   39 spins
 
- - - - - - - -
 
32, 6, [23]
 
9, 18, [36], 17, 16
 
28, [3], 20, 11
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   1
2    2     2  (2)
(3)  3     3   3
     (4)    4   4.

23 -22  HG bet MG wins
17 -26  MG bet HG comes in
36 -30  MG bet C wins
11 -35
16 -39  60 spins
- - - - - - - -
 
32, 6, [23], [13], 14
 
9, [[18]], [36], 17, 16, 35,
34
 
28, [3], [20], 11, 30
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   1
2    2     2   (2)
(3)  3     3   3
     (4)    4   4
      5     5   (5)
     (6)   (6)  6
      7    (7)  (7)
 
20 -8 win (should exit here ?)
13 -14
35 -19
34 -24
13 -30 C bet MG wins
30 -36 MG bet C wins
14 -44
18 -51 MG bet HG wins
18 -58 C bet HG wins
- - - - - - - - - -

32, [6], [23], [13], 14

9, [[18]], [36], 17, 16, [35],
34, 7
 
[28], [[3]], [20], 11, 30, 1,
12, 10
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1   1
2     2    2   (2)
(3)   3    3   3
(4)  (4)   4   4
5     5     5  (5)
6    (6)   (6)  6
       7    (7) (7)
      (8   8   8
                  (9)
                  (10)
 
1 -68  HG bet C number comes in
6 -78  C bet MG wins
3  -86 MG bet C wins
7  -95 C bet HG comes in
28 -106 C bet LG wins
12 -117 C bet LG comes in
10 -125 C bet LG comes in
35 -100 C bet wins EXIT  118 spins
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 20, 2008, 03:08:36 PM
Mr. Chips

I'm unclear on what you want.  Do you want the permanence so you can re-create the Table or do you want a snapshot of the table at that time.  I see this from time to time and can surely supply what you want.

Are you following my posts under "Testing"?  Did you read about the zeros?  Talk about lousy odds!

Every time I work this sheet, I become more proficient.  I almost have the groups memorized and that is a milestone.  Like you said, before I make the bet, I double check the sheet for errors.  Only found one yesterday.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 20, 2008, 03:17:50 PM
Sam,
 
Yes, the permanance, so when I get a bit of time and if anything clicks in my head I may discover an improvement.
 
I didn't realise you were testing there, but will rectify that immediately.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 21, 2008, 03:22:36 PM
Some recent August test results from Spielbank and have made a start with February.

[table=,]
 
Date,spins,s/spins,+/-
9.8,74,22,+119
10.8,123,34,-42
11.8,58,16,+57
12.8,91,23,+46
13.8,94,26,+3
14.8,118,32,-100
15.8,116,32,-4
16.8,92,24,+36
17.8,120,36,+140
18.8,110,32,-142
 
1.2,93,25,+63
2.2,106,26,+97
3.2,117,28,+20
4.2,104,28,-46
[/table]

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: lindat on August 21, 2008, 05:25:18 PM
Testing for a first post
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: lindat on August 21, 2008, 05:26:03 PM
Hello Mr Chips, Sam, Anand and everyone !

I am new here, this is my first post.  I have taken an interest in this thread, then I have just finished a test on the live roulette at Dublinbet (fun mode).

But first let me introduce myself : my name is Linda and I began to play roulette 6 months ago, I have to say the most of the time in fun mode because I lose always !  In fact till now, I have played on RNG roulette because I wanted betting no more than 0,10.  I am aware it is better playing on a live roulette and I have decided to stop on RNG' and to wait saving enough money to play at Dublinbet.
Another thing : I am from Belgium and my language is French, then forgive me for my bad English...

Well, that says here is a part of my test ; it should be so great if someone could verify it and correct my mistakes...



30 LG
15 MG
21 LG    

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1      

And I add 21 in the number group LG

----
7 HG
13 MG (I bet number 21, the only one LG number I have)
34 HG (I have lost my bet)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1            1.

And I add 34 in the number group HG

----
19 LG
3 LG
35 MG (I bet 34, the only one HG number I have)
10 LG (I have lost my bet)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1            1.
2

And I add 10 in my number group LG (then, I have now 21 & 10)

----
4 MG
15 MG
0
35 HG (I bet 21 & 10 = LG)
5 MG (I have lost these 2 bets)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1.    1
2

And I add 5 in the number group MG
----
19 LG
17 HG (I bet 5 = MG)
15 MG (I have lost my bet)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1.    1     1
2

And I add 15 in the number group MG, then I have now 5 & 15[/color]

----
6 MG
28 LG (I don't understand what I have to bet here : numbers from LG group because it is that one that has the more success, or numbers from MG group because it is the last active group or number from HG group because that should make C, the very active group ???)


I'll post more of the test if you are OK and after corrections I could make
Thanks for reading
Take care,
Linda
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: JHM on August 21, 2008, 05:59:23 PM
Linda, I'm nut sure, but I think you can play live roulette with 0,10 on riverbelle and wildjack casino.

Maybe Sam can clear this, you can play there live with 0,10 Sam?
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 21, 2008, 07:17:20 PM
Hello Linda,
 
Welcome to the forum and thanks for your interest in 4Selecta.
 
I will go through each of the sections and explain the available numbers used for the bets.
 
30
15
21 The first available number
---
7
13 bet 21 the only available number(if it came in it would make a C section)
34 bet lost, this is an HG section
----
19
3
35
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1          1.
 
The Group sections are level and therefore the bet will on the most 'active' Group section as indicated by a . The HG available number is 34 and the bet lost.
 
10 this is an LG section.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1           1
2
 
LG is in the lead in the Table and all bets where possible will be on the leader and therefore will use LG available numbers.
 
4
15
0
35
 
It is impossible to make an LG section as there is only MG and HG. It is therefore not possible to use LG available numbers even though LG is in the lead in the Table. We have to fall back on the next leader or if this not possible and the other Group sections are level then the 'active' Group section will be chosen.
 
At this early stage in the session the only Group section is HG and the available number is 34.
 
5 came in and makes an MG section.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1.   1
2
 
19
17
 
LG is still in the lead in the Table and as there is an LG in the section (19) the bets will be on LG available numbers 10 and 21.
 
15 comes in and this makes a C section.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1.
2
 
6
28
 
LG still in the lead and there is an LG in the section (28) therefore bets will be on LG available numbers 10 and 21.
 
21
34 -1
10 -2
5  -3
15 -5
 
I hope this explains which available numbers to bet on. If you have any further queries I will try and sort out the problem.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 

 

 

 



 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: lindat on August 21, 2008, 07:48:42 PM
Thanks JHM for letting me know where playing on live roulette.

Mr Chips thank you for your reply and the corrections
I'll post the complete test after a revision, I made a lot of mistakes.
I tested one hour, 73 spins and placed bets 20 X ; as I have mistakes, my win of 203 (288-85 bets) is certainly not correct :-(
Talk to you soon
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 21, 2008, 08:39:38 PM
There are three casinos I know of where the bets are .50 US.

Wild Jack
All Jackpots
Bella Vegas

Now, that's .50 per number with a minimum of one number bet.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: VLSroulette on August 21, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
Hello Linda, [smiley=welcome/welcome02.png]

Nice to see a "roulette lady" around :)

JoylandCasino.com offers 0.10 live wheel table (0.10 is valid as total bet, max. combined amount $10, chips as little as 0.01 -yes, that is 1 cent. Ideal for newcomers and testing methods.

It is the same live wheel as bet365.com (0.25 min) and casinotropez.com ($1 min), but cheaper.

(nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1661.0;attach=256;image)

Hope it helps.




-A parenthesis here: people, this is what I mean by posting non-clickable casino links. It is OK to share the actual dot com.. as long as it is plain-text and non-clickable.

See the results:

nolinks://google.com (nolinks://google.com)
nolinks.google.com (nolinks://nolinks.google.com)

Google.com

I think it is easy to spot the right way: no "nolinks://" nor "nolinks." at the time of sharing casino websites.

This helps to deter the usual suspects from posting their affiliate links, making our board a non-desirable place to them and keeps the forum free from such a link spamming 8)

Victor
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 21, 2008, 08:49:10 PM
are they 0 or 00 wheels

Rodney
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: VLSroulette on August 21, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
Hi Rodney,

It is a single 0 wheel.

Regards.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 21, 2008, 09:02:33 PM
Quote from: VLSroulette on August 21, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
Hi Rodney,

It is a single 0 wheel.

Regards.

Cool thanks Victor

How do they compare to say DB or is it basically the same

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: lindat on August 22, 2008, 04:54:00 AM
Thank you Victor for the warm welcome and the live wheel info on Joyland.

Mr chips, I am trying to correct myself but there is another thing I don't understand, it is when Complete Group is active ; I have a series here, maybe you can clarify that for help me ? Thx

../..

19 LG
17 HG (bet 10 & 21)
15 MG (bets lost)

Recap Table & groups numbers :

LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1     1.
2

LG number group : 21 + 10
HG number group : 34
MG number group : 5 + 15

----
6 MG
28 LG (bet ??????????
2 LG

Recap :

LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1     1.
2
3


LG number group : 21 + 10 + 2
HG number group : 34
MG number group : 5 + 15


----
21 LG
34 HG (bet 21, 10, 2)
32 MG (bets lost)

Recap :

LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1     1
2                    2.     
3

LG number group : 21 + 10 + 2
HG number group : 34
MG number group : 5 + 15 + 32

---
26 HG
22 MG (bet ????????????????
20 LG

Recap :

LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1     1
2                    2     
3                    3.

LG number group : 21 + 10 + 2 + 20
HG number group : 34
MG number group : 5 + 15 + 32

---
17 HG
23 MG (bet ????????????????11 LG
11 LG

Recap :

LG   MG   HG   C
1     1      1     1
2                    2     
3                    3.
                      4

LG number group : 21 + 10 + 2 + 20 + 11
HG number group : 34
MG number group : 5 + 15 + 32

----
9 HG
14 MG (bet ????????????????????
10 LG
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 22, 2008, 05:57:45 AM
Can someone tell me how reliable and honest those live online casinos are

The only one I trust for now is Dublinbet

Regards Rodney

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 22, 2008, 06:04:08 AM
Linda,
 
6
28
 
As I mentioned previously where possible we want to place bets on leader Group section available numbers, in this case LG as it is showing 2 in the Table. As the section has an LG (28) we can place bets on 21 and 10.
 
2 came in
---
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1   1.
2
3
 
21
34
 
Again this section has an LG (21) and LG is the leader in the Table, bet 21, 10, 2
 
32 came in
---
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2                2
3
 
There is no . after the 2 in the C Group section as that is only applicable if the Group sections are level in the Table.
 
26
22
 
There is no LG in this section, therefore we fall back to the next leader, which is C and in order to complete a C section in this example we require LG available numbers 21, 10, 2
 
20 came in
---
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2                2
3                3.
 
LG and C are level in the Table and as there is no clear leader we must place bets on the 'active' Group section, which is C as denoted by the .
 
17
23
 
In order to complete a C section we want LG available numbers 21,10, 2, 20
 
11 came in
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2                2
3                3
                  4
 
9
14
 
C is now the leader in the Table and to complete a C section we again want LG available numbers 21, 10, 2, 20, 11
 
10 came in and wins[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
 
I hope this makes it a lot clearer for you. When you understand the basics of this system, my advice is to read the posts on when to exit, this will become easier when you do a number of practice sessions. Most results are between 90 and 130 spins. Losses are inevitable, but the majority will be in the -50 range. Occasionally there will be higher losses and you shouldn't go beyond 160 spins as that is the recommended cut off. On a positive note you will encounter exceptional wins and these will cancel out the higher losses.
When you get a 200 + then exit.
 
If you need any more help let me know.
 
Mr Chips


 

 

 

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 22, 2008, 06:13:33 AM
Welcome, Linda

This is no easy system to master.  Nothing like wait for five reds and bet black!

As you seem to be new to the forum--Welcome!--and please find the testing site.  Once you have mastered this system, if that's at all possible, consider taking down some real spins from Weisbaden or what ever wheel you choose and post some results at the testing site.

You can open an account at Riverbelle casino and monitor their live wheel if you put a little money in your account.  I make screen recordings that last four hours and more and they never cut you off.  Same with Wild Jack, All Jackpots and Bella Vegas--all the same wheel.

Looking forward to your test results!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: lindat on August 22, 2008, 07:50:44 AM
Mr Chips,

Thank you so much for your help, it is now clearer for me.
Before posting in this topic, I read and re-read all messages, I didn't want to be here the stupid and dumb blond ; also I made some examples for myself and I believed beeing in the right way but I know now I didn't understand correcty the system.
Well, I'll continue to try correcting the test I made.  I hope I am now able to apply the correct system.

TTYS,
Linda


Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: lindat on August 22, 2008, 08:09:16 AM
QuoteWelcome, Linda

This is no easy system to master.  Nothing like wait for five reds and bet black!

As you seem to be new to the forum--Welcome!--and please find the testing site.  Once you have mastered this system, if that's at all possible, consider taking down some real spins from Weisbaden or what ever wheel you choose and post some results at the testing site.

You can open an account at Riverbelle casino and monitor their live wheel if you put a little money in your account.  I make screen recordings that last four hours and more and they never cut you off.  Same with Wild Jack, All Jackpots and Bella Vegas--all the same wheel.

Looking forward to your test results!

Sam

Sam, thank you for the welcome !

I am a beginner with roulette but I understood very quickly how losing money (with Hawks and others martingales...).  I don't like playing like a robot (like Victor said in a message I've read), I like study and testing systems ; this one is difficult to understand for me I agree anyway I didn't stop to study it till I understand it !  I'll play in real spins when I'll be ready, for sure ; and I'll post results (bad or good).
At this time I've an account at Dublinbet, do you think it is better I open an account in another casino ?  Weisbaden, it is a casino in German language, isn't ?

Well, it's all for now,
Linda
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 22, 2008, 11:02:13 AM
Linda

Dublin is the best.  I only listed casinos I can play at.  At Dublin you can play forever with fun money.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: lindat on August 22, 2008, 12:00:05 PM
Thanks Sam !

Do you know, you are my reference here, as it is your name I remembered in first and also because your questions to Mr Chips about the 4Selecta system opened my interest in it.
I've read too somewhere that you use another system, something like chicco/murph as name, where can I find info of this system ?
Thank you for any help,
Linda
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 22, 2008, 12:53:47 PM
Linda

That system is a double-advantage system in that the numbers are picked by two systems.  But you have to buy the Leon Pro 2 software.  I'm telling everyone not to buy it until my test is final and I start making money from it.

Then Leon/Chicco will get rich!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 23, 2008, 12:40:45 PM
It's strange I wrote a while back, that I wouldn't be too bothered if there was six losses in a row. Well I got it :o
 
Fortunately they are minimum losses and February to date is still showing a profit.
 
[table=,]
Date,spins,s/spins,+/-
5.2,108,28,-46
6.2,98,27,-48
7.2,92,25,-25
8.2,93,28,-34
9.2,93,23,-46
10.2,95,28,+150
11.2,106,32,+31
12.2,96,27,+30
 
19.8,81,21,+203
20.8,97,28,-19
21.2,95,22,-42
[/table]
 
January and July = +2748
 
August 1 to 21   = +1198
 
February 1 to 12 = + 146
 
Total so far        = +4092 units
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 23, 2008, 01:26:21 PM
Don't you just love those straight columns???

Well, Mr. Chips, maybe what I was seeing there for a while, you saw with your loses.  I agree--it's the overall we're seeking.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 24, 2008, 07:15:38 PM
[table=,]
Date,spins,s/spins,+/-
13.2,96,24,+16
14.2,88,26,+228
15.2,91,22,+41
16.2,91,25,+64
17.2,94,25,+5
18.2,90,27,-35
19.2,91,24,-8
20.2,92,24,-22
 
22.8,91,25,+49
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 26, 2008, 03:11:56 PM
February 08 tests the hardest so far. In all areas of gambling there are highs and lows and the ability to control losses enabled 4Selecta to still show a profit. I have tested 113 sessions so far and the end of this month will complete 4 months.
 
[table=,]
Date,spins,s/spins,+/-
21.2,94,25,+100
22.2,96,25,-22
23.2,90,26,+25
24.2,75,23,-47
25.2,93,26,+22
26.2,126,36,-8
27.2,119,33,-32
28.2,90,25,-48
29.2,53,16,+55
[/table]
 
Jan  + 1031
Feb  +  480

Jul   + 1717
Aug
1-22 +1247
       ------
Total +4475 units
so far
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: JCN221 on August 28, 2008, 12:04:01 AM
I just signed up and I think I might start testing the system (after I finish reading the questions asked in this thread). There are probably a few things I'm not clear on so if you don't mind (and have some spare time of course) you can answer some questions.

How many spins have you tested/taken to win 4475 units? Very impressive!
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 28, 2008, 02:51:40 AM
Hi JCN,
 
Welcome to the forum.
 
In answer to your question 11,697 spins and from that 3220 selective spins.
 
There is a great deal of information about 4Selecta in this thread now and a number of detailed answers have been given, so it should provide you with everything you need to understand the system. I appreciate a number of people find it a headache and are unable to get their head round it, so if there is something in particular that you find difficult to grasp, I will go over it with you.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 28, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
What a ton of work..........
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Natural9 on August 29, 2008, 10:49:44 AM
12000 spins close to that about 300  hours in the casino  with over 4000 units in credit thats  nearly 15 units an hour

That is quite impressive and what I like bout it is it is selective in its bet selection

Is 12000 spins enough  to prove it a winner or not some systems can take longer to finally tank but im not sure that this will because of the way it selects it decisions

Keep up the good work all

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on August 29, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
Rodney,
 
Thanks,I have still got 6 months of Spielbank sessions to do and the total test will be over 300 sessions. I have set a target of 10,000+ units and I will happy if it can reach that amount. I am going to spend the units on a long holiday[smiley=beer.gif]
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 02, 2008, 01:50:34 PM
[table=,]
Date,spins,s/spins,+/-
23.8,102,27,+12
24.8,91,27,+19
25.8,112,31,-28
26.8,92,25,+46
27.8,75,21,+103
28.8,124,35,-97
29.8,154,45,-24
30.8,92,26,-42
31.8,91,28,+82
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Month,Total units
Jan,1031
Feb, 480
July,1717
Aug,1318

Total,4546
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 02, 2008, 02:25:35 PM
Okay, I'm finally listening to Sam and am gonna test this bad boy out. 
Just ran my first test and results were very good, but I believe I found a mistake so I'm gonna re-run it. 

Will post results shortly (or after lunch).

Matt
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 02, 2008, 03:59:44 PM
All,

I will be posting my results in the testing zone.  If there is already a post for this system in the testing zone, I will post it there, otherwise I will create a new thread. 

Mr. Chips - it'd be great if you could look it over to ensure I'm doing things correctly.  I believe I am and so far am very impressed. 

First session:
Spins: 103
End result: +133 units
Low: -45 units

(Remember - full posting of results are in the testing zone... or soon will be)

Cheers,
Matt
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: ChickenDinner on September 02, 2008, 04:11:36 PM
These are fantastic results guys; I can't wait to start testing this myself.

Good work Mr. Chips!

CD
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 02, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
Hey gang,
I was "trying" to explain this system to Dong and Mills in the chat room today, and thought the conversation might be useful to others (plus I told Dong I would post it here).  Hopefully, I'm not leading them astray...


--------------------------------
[dongsongxanh] 1:52 pm: do u understand 4selector system?
[mills78] 1:52 pm: no i dont , matty is going to explain it to me
[dongsongxanh] 1:53 pm: me too, too confuse
[mills78] 1:53 pm: yeah , im very confused by it
[mattymattz] 1:54 pm: back guys, sry
[dongsongxanh] 1:54 pm: Hi Matt
[mills78] 1:54 pm: wb
[mattymattz] 1:55 pm: okay - back to the lessons...
[dongsongxanh] 1:55 pm: i have read your post in testing zone
[mattymattz] 1:55 pm: okay - each number is part of a group - either LG, MG or HG
[dongsongxanh] 1:55 pm: Matt, i also want to learn from you
[mattymattz] 1:56 pm: okay, np - do you both understand what numbers are part of each group?
[dongsongxanh] 1:56 pm: yeah, Matt
[mattymattz] 1:57 pm: mills?
[dongsongxanh] 1:57 pm: Mill, are you there?
[mattymattz] 1:58 pm: lets wait a minute for him Dong
[dongsongxanh] 1:58 pm: ok, Matt
[dongsongxanh] 1:59 pm: Matt, i've read 4selector system so many times, but i cant understand
[mills78] 1:59 pm: yeah im here sorry just on phone
[mills78] 2:00 pm: finished now
[mattymattz] 2:00 pm: that's okay Dong - I'll try and help you. I'm pretty sure I've a handle on it
[mills78] 2:00 pm: i understand what numbers form which group
[mattymattz] 2:00 pm: okay Mills (wb)
[mills78] 2:00 pm: thats the easy part
[mills78] 2:00 pm: cheers
[mattymattz] 2:01 pm: okay from here we need to qualify first... in my example we get 31,13,23,36,4
[mills78] 2:01 pm: yeah
[dongsongxanh] 2:01 pm: yeah
[mattymattz] 2:01 pm: so we get MG,MG,MG,HG,MG - with this we get a MG... I'll explain
[mattymattz] 2:02 pm: we need 2 different groups to get a qualifier. Our qualifier would be MG,MG,MG,HG - 2 diff. groups
[mills78] 2:03 pm: right
[dongsongxanh] 2:03 pm: ok Matt
[mattymattz] 2:05 pm: okay, but since this is our first spins, we have no numbers to bet, so we spin again and get another MG. Since our groups are MG,HG - and then MG again, MG has "won" and we get a MG. So put a 1 under the MG column and add that number spun (4) to the MG group.
[mattymattz] 2:07 pm: feel free to ask questions
[mills78] 2:08 pm: im lost lol
[mattymattz] 2:09 pm: lol - okay with MG,MG,MG,HG - we have a "battle" between MG and HG... got it?
[mills78] 2:09 pm: i knew my brain couldnt take it today
[mills78] 2:09 pm: why do we have a battle that mg is winning 3-1
[mattymattz] 2:10 pm: no, when we get back to back groups, we can ignore the first one, so MG, MG (ignore the 1st), MG (ignore the 2nd),HG... so we have 1 MG and 1 HG
[mills78] 2:11 pm: right , one on one, i got it
[dongsongxanh] 2:11 pm: i got it , Matt
[mattymattz] 2:12 pm: okay - so with MG,HG (ignoring the first 2 MG's) we have 3 possible outcomes:
[mills78] 2:12 pm: yeah
[mattymattz] 2:12 pm: 1-another MG comes and give MG a point (or win)
[mattymattz] 2:12 pm: 2-HG comes and give HG a point (or win)
[mattymattz] 2:12 pm: 3-LG comes and completes a "cycle" and gives CG (complete group) a point
[dongsongxanh] 2:12 pm: i got it
[mattymattz] 2:13 pm: okay - both with me?
[mills78] 2:14 pm: yep
[dongsongxanh] 2:14 pm: ok Matt
[mattymattz] 2:14 pm: okay - so what's our next number?
[mills78] 2:15 pm: 4
[mattymattz] 2:16 pm: 4 gives us another MG, so MG wins a point. Now we must add 1 to the MG column and add the 4 (number spun) to the MG group
[mills78] 2:16 pm: the next mg after the hg, im with you
[mills78] 2:16 pm: ok
[mills78] 2:16 pm: starting to make sense
[mattymattz] 2:17 pm: yep - you got it Mills
[mills78] 2:17 pm: and these numbers your adding to the group are ones we bet later?
[dongsongxanh] 2:17 pm: ok Matt
[mattymattz] 2:17 pm: okay so now we have a "leading group" (MG) since it has more points than any other group.
[mattymattz] 2:17 pm: Yes mills :)
[mills78] 2:17 pm: im getting this now
[dongsongxanh] 2:18 pm: i got it
[mills78] 2:18 pm: how far does it have to be in the lead before u bet it?
[mattymattz] 2:18 pm: one sec... phone
[mattymattz] 2:20 pm: back...
[mills78] 2:20 pm: wb
[mattymattz] 2:20 pm: a group doesn't necessarily need to be in the lead Mills... you'll see
[mills78] 2:20 pm: ok
[mattymattz] 2:21 pm: okay, so now we need another qualifier... our next 2 spins are 13 (MG) and 12 (LG)
[mattymattz] 2:21 pm: this is a qualifier since we have 2 groups
[mills78] 2:21 pm: so they battle now?
[mattymattz] 2:22 pm: right
[mattymattz] 2:22 pm: now, because we have a "leader" that is in the "battle" we bet it's numbers (which is only 4 right now)
[mills78] 2:23 pm: ah right, so when a leader is in battle we bet its numbers that we have
[mattymattz] 2:23 pm: right Mills
[mattymattz] 2:23 pm: of course - it gets more complicated :)
[mills78] 2:23 pm: #$%^&* , i thought i was being clever
[mattymattz] 2:24 pm: lol - you've got the main part though Mills - it goes on to explain how to pick a group when the leader isn't in the battle
[mills78] 2:24 pm: ah right
[mattymattz] 2:25 pm: thats pretty much it... just tracking is slow, and I need to find good exit points...
[mattymattz] 2:25 pm: Please keep in mind that I'm still learning this too - so I may be wrong
[mills78] 2:26 pm: im sure your right or close to it matty , and if your wwrong and its working then play it anyway lol
[mattymattz] 2:26 pm: lol
[mills78] 2:27 pm: is it something u are going to try for real?
[General Talk]: Wildcard has entered at 2:28 pm
[mattymattz] 2:28 pm: after a few more tests maybe
[Wildcard] 2:29 pm: G´Night gentlemen
[mattymattz] 2:29 pm: Hey WC
[mills78] 2:29 pm: well good luck when you do , hopefully it works well
[Wildcard] 2:29 pm: what´s cooking ?
[General Talk]: dongsongxanh has entered at 2:30 pm
[mattymattz] 2:30 pm: thanks bud
[Wildcard] 2:30 pm: hello dong
[mattymattz] 2:30 pm: just trying to explain the 4selecta to Dong and Mills
[dongsongxanh] 2:30 pm: Hi
[mills78] 2:30 pm: if it does i might have to invest some money next pay day
[dongsongxanh] 2:30 pm: internet in my country is so bad
[mattymattz] 2:32 pm: lol
[dongsongxanh] 2:32 pm: Matt, please help me
[dongsongxanh] 2:33 pm: please copy all your typings and send to my email kiemtien.kholam@yahoo.com
[dongsongxanh] 2:34 pm: i cant read what your typing
[mattymattz] 2:34 pm: actually Dong - I was going to post it in the forum - may be helpful to others :)
[dongsongxanh] 2:34 pm: ok thank you so much Matt
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 03, 2008, 07:09:59 AM
Matt,
 
Thanks for posting that, hopefully it will enable more people to get a handle on it.
 
I thought for a moment I was getting confused with all the 'battles' taking place ;) ;D
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 03, 2008, 09:20:22 AM
Thanks Mr. Chips...

just my interpretation of it (the battles).  As long as I understand it right and can teach the proper way, I guess it doesn't matter what I call it :)

Great work!
Matt
Title: The CG vs the others
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 03, 2008, 10:18:38 AM
This kept me up last night.............

OK, we have

MG
LG

Forget the system for a moment please.  In the above we could get an MG Section or an LG or a CG depending on which number came next and what group it belonged to, right?  OK...

There are two chances it WON'T be a CG vs ONE that it will.  So how is it that CG sometimes outruns the pack/wins the "battle"?  Seems that CG is beating the odds.

When I first began this system, I thought to myself....bet you get darn few CG Sections.  Wrong...

Perhaps I'm just viewing an oddity, but I thought I'd mention it.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 03, 2008, 10:40:31 AM
Hey Sam,
good point but you also need to point out that each other option (LG or MG) also has only 1 chance to to make it vs. 2 chances that it won't, so really, every options would be equal chances - no?

MM
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 03, 2008, 10:49:30 AM
Matt

Perhaps Mr. Chips will pop in on this one. 

I see this as a "double-advantage" system in this way:  First, we are "pulling" for the Section that's in the lead.  For me, I want it far in the lead.  Second, we are using the numbers already used to make that Section.  Example:  We have an LG Section far in the lead and lots of L numbers have hit to get it there.  We have a hot Section and we are playing for repeating numbers.  I think this is what makes this thing work.

But with the CG, it can have gotten ahead by any combination of numbers hitting, not just "pure" numbers from a Section.

I am sure withholding judgment, but it "seems" that when CG far outstrips the pack, I better move with caution.

Sam

By the way, I do see you point.  Could be I'm just looking at it wrong.  I'm not a "math boy" by any means!!  LOL
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 03, 2008, 11:01:35 AM
Hmmm, very interesting point Sam.

I agree.  I've seen more "problems" when CG runs away with a lead, and you explanation makes sense.  Although I have good runs with CG as well.

MM
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 03, 2008, 12:06:57 PM
Sam,
 
I wouldn't want 4Selecta to turn you into an insomniac :-\
 
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,2,E,1
E,3,2,E
3,E,3,3
,E,E,4
,,5,4
,,E,6
,,E,7
,,,8
,,,9
,,,10
,,,11
,,,E
,,,E
,,,14
,,,15
,,,16
,,,E
,,,18
,,,19
,,,20
,,,21
,,,22
[/table]
 
This is taken from February testing and shows the final section group in the lead at the point of exit. The E denotes two or more section groups were Equal in the Table.
 
CG has a double edged sword as you will have discovered. It can work in your favour as it's flexibility of being able to have various group numbers to complete a section and on the otherhand you cannot switch from a C leader e.g. if LG is in the lead and you cannot make an LG section you can go to the next in the lead, but only at the start of a session can you do this with CG and as soon as there are available numbers that ends.
 
Perhaps a maths person can give the definitive answer as to why CG is predominently in the lead, we have a number around at the present time ::)
 
Mr Chips
 

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 03, 2008, 12:24:11 PM
Mr. Chips

Sorry for always posting the wrong name for your system.  I should have told you I am slightly dyslexic, have a bit of ADD and o/c disorder!  Sure, you would have loved to work with me then!! LOL

Roulette in general keeps me up at night, but your system has had it's fair turn.

As you may have read, I plan to test this puppy over 5,000 spins in September.  I should know something by then.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on September 03, 2008, 12:44:48 PM
 ;D I had those same problems TCS......nothing that couple of Johny Walker Black Labels doesn't solve..... >:D
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 03, 2008, 12:48:02 PM
jak

Yep, that would help! 

But I have a little pill when things get really bad.  And ear plugs.  And a mask.

My wife is nocturnal!

Sam













Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 03, 2008, 12:49:14 PM
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on September 03, 2008, 12:44:48 PM
;D I had those same problems TCS......nothing that couple of Johny Walker Black Labels doesn't solve..... >:D

Hey Jakk - you sure it's not the JW causing the problems?!?!? LOL  :o
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Lohnro on September 04, 2008, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: Mr Chips on July 29, 2008, 12:17:33 PMThe Lower Group (LG)
-----------------
1, 2, 3
10,11,12
19,20,21
28,29,30
 
The Middle Group (MG)
-----------------
4, 5, 6
13,14,15
22,23,24
31,32,33
 
The Higher Group (HG)
-----------------
7, 8, 9
16,17,18
25,26,27
34,35,36

Hey Mr Chips,

Is there a reason you chose these groups instead of using dozens?
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on September 04, 2008, 05:11:54 PM
 ;D Naaaahhh Matty mate, could never be Johny's fault! Could be anything......but not Walker Johny......

Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 04, 2008, 06:44:27 PM
Lohnro,
 
The Groups are used to form sections. The numbers of course come from all areas of the layout and are not dependent on a particular column or dozen.
 
I have used the Groups to form sections for an EC method and had high expectation that 4Selecta would equally produce good results.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 06, 2008, 04:26:27 PM
[table=,]
Date,spins,select spins,+/-
1.3,124,36,-35
2.3,85,23,+79
3.3,77,25,+140
4.3,90,25,-65
5.3,103,29,+40
6.3,104,31,-3
7.3,111,32,+30
8.3,92,26,+22
9.3,53,15,+90
10.3,113,32,+51
11.3,93,28,-26
12.3,89,24,+22
13.3,68,17,+46
14.3,89,24,+23
,,,
,,,+543
,,,-129
Total,,,+414
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: JCN221 on September 06, 2008, 09:17:38 PM
Thanks for all the hard work Mr. Chips I've played 5 RNG sessions so far following all the rules and I'm at +59 units. I'll continue testing and update you with my progress.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: RouletteBR on September 07, 2008, 01:19:13 AM
Hi fellas,

I'm new at this forum, i'm trying to understand how this system works, i have tested it at dublinbet, but i don't know if a made it correct, here is my session:

(nolinks://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6343/4selectasv3.png)

I appreciate any help.

Regards.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 07, 2008, 02:58:55 AM
JCN,

Yes, keep posting your results as it gradually builds up a picture of how people are progressing with 4Selecta and any problems they are encountering with the system.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 07, 2008, 04:18:58 AM
RouletteBR,
 
Welcome to the forum.
 
I will show the correct result as follows :
 
[table=,]
Select spins,+/-,action,,,,,Table,,,,,,,,,,Available numbers
23,,,,,,,,LG,MG,HG,C
10,-1,bet 23,,,,,,1,1,1,1,,,,,,,,23 32 6 15 33
36,-2,bet LG number 10,,,,,,2,2,2,,,,,,,,,10 28
32,-3,bet LG number 10,,,,,,,3,3,,,,,,,,,36 17 x 2
6,-5,bet 23 32,,,,,,,4,,
15,-8,bet 23 32 6
17,-9,bet 36
33,-13,bet 23 32 6 15
0,-18,bet 23 32 6 15 33
28,-23,bet 23 32 6 15 33
17,-25,bet 10 28
[/table]
 
A particular problem in understanding 4Selecta concerns when it's not possible to bet on on a leading Group section, in this example MG, as 3,17 cannot make an MG section. We therefore have to go to the next in the lead. If this is not possible as in this example we have go with the 'active' Group section and that would have had a . after the 2 to denote it is the 'active' Group section on that particular line. The section that made LG section 'active' was 30,11,32,28.
 
When section 3,17,17 came in it became a second leader and the 'active' status of the Group section LG in the Table ceased.
 
I hope the above makes it a bit clearer for you and if you have any further queries let me know.
 
We will always be interested to hear about your results.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: RouletteBR on September 08, 2008, 01:18:23 AM
Thank you Mr. Chips, today i made another test at dublinbet, i run the system through 100 spins, here is the result:

(nolinks://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1800/selecta4lz5.png)

The things in orange are doubts about my decision, i want to know if i made right or not.

Regards.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 08, 2008, 04:34:41 AM
RouletteBR,
 
There were some errors, but practice will eventually sort out the problems. If you can work through my corrected version and then let me know if there is anything that is unclear.
 
This session is a perfect example of a minimum loss and most times when losses occur they should be in the -50 range. There were indications earlier in the session as shown in the Table when LG, HG, and C were constantly level or close to it. There were only 3 available numbers that hit. At one stage there was a minimum profit of +8 which soon became a loss. When you way up all this information and you are approaching spin 90 you will be looking for a minimum loss. It is important to be realistic in such sessions, as 4Selecta allows for such minimum  losses in it's overall strategy.

There was just one error in the sections :
 
10 LG
6 MG

----  This makes a section as 0 is on the betting line and of course it will not be noted in the Table.
 
[table=,]
Selected spins,,+/-
34,,,
24,,-1
3,,-2
15,,-3
0,,-4
35,,-5
23,,-7
7,,-9
1,,-12
10,,-15
9,,-18
26,,-21
31,,-24
15,,+8
16,,+5
1,,0
2,,-5
7,,-10
36,,-16
11,,-23
17,,-28
31,,-36
28,,-44
33,,-51
1,,-58
29,,-66
33,,-37
Exit
[/table]
 
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,1,1,1
2,2,2,2
3,3,3,3
4,4,4,4
5,,5,5
6,,6,6
7,,7,7
,,,8
[/table]
 
Available numbers:
 
34,35,7,9,26,16,36,17
 
24,15x2,23,31x2,33
 
3,1x3,10,2,11,28
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 09, 2008, 01:15:51 AM
[table=,]
Date,Spins,Selected Spins,+/-
1.9,109,31,-42
2.9,80,24,+58
3.9,77,23,+47
4.9,71,19,+206
5.9,55,14,+94
6.9,91,27,+18
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 14, 2008, 01:51:19 AM
Mr. Chips

Every time I test this system, I am amazed that the C group almost always pulls ahead of the others.  Have you experienced this?

It would seem they should either be about equal or take turns, but C seems to always win the race.  I have no intention of trying to tweak your system, but I am puzzled over this happening repeatedly.

As is the nature of a roulette player, when I see something repeat with regular monotony, I want to exploit it. 

@ others who may be testing this system........

Do you find this to be true?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: MattyMattz on September 14, 2008, 02:03:01 AM
Sam,

although I haven't tested the 4selecta lately (focusing more on 5lines) I did notice the same thing... C almost always dominates.

Matt
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 14, 2008, 04:29:17 AM
Sam & Matt,
 
Yes it's true C is the leading section Group a lot of the time. See the Table I produced on the previous page.
 
I have been giving this some thought and have come up with an idea, which will solve the problem when C is in the lead and the other section Groups are getting the hits.
 
This will be an optional facility and can be activated depending on the circumstances of a particular session.
 
If C is the leader and say LG is second in the lead and the next result would have been a win if LG had been in the lead instead, then you could activate the C Table as follows :
 
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
2,2,
3,,
[/table]
 
This additional Table is a small version of the main Table. A C section unlike the others can have various Group numbers to complete the section eg
 
7
14
3
---

Here the 3 completes the C section and will be noted in the above Table under l. If you chose to activate the Table in this example bets can only be placed when a C section will be completed by an LG number.
 
10
16
 
To make this into C section it needs a MG number, therefore the C section Group in the main Table is ignored and bets are placed on the second leader or if that does not qualify then the next in line.
 
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
2,2,
3,3.,
[/table]
 
As in the main Table there is a . which denotes m is the 'active' Group number and now bets will only be valid from the C section Group if the Group number to complete the section is an MG number as m is the 'active' Group number in the C Table above.
 
This additional optional facility should be used carefully and only when C is in the lead in the main Table. If at any time C levels with another section Group then this option should stop. I have done some limited testing with this option and it certainly has changed losses into wins. There will be occasions when of course you will miss out on a C win and you will therefore have to consider how the session is developing at any particular time.

It is possible now to opt out of a losing C streak and take advantage of wins from the other section Groups.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 14, 2008, 07:46:59 AM
An interesting observation concerning C section Groups is that we know more are due than any other section Groups and yet according to the Maths wizards nothing can be due in roulette, so that dismisses another Maths fallacy!!!
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 14, 2008, 09:26:08 AM
Well, I didn't want to say that............

Mr, Chips,

But me thinks you may be right.  I was wondering if I was on a long line of "lucky" hits for the C but I don't know.  Wouldn't it be something if it held up over thousands of spins?

Sm
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: bliss on September 14, 2008, 11:09:36 AM
Quotewe know more are due than any other section Groups and yet according to the Maths wizards nothing can be due in roulette, so that dismisses another Maths fallacy!!!

Nice try Mr Chips, but you really didn't expect me to let you get away with this did you?  ;)

You are using the word "due" here to mean 2 different things in the sentence. Your first use of "due" means "expected", and the second means "more or less likely given that some event has occurred" which is indeed a fallacy given that roulette is a game of independent trials (I know - boring but true). This means that your argument is a fallacy - you can't use the same word to mean different things in the same sentence and expect it to be valid.

It's a bit like saying:

All Jackasses have long ears
the wizard of odds is a jackass
therefore, the wizard of odds has long ears


only more subtle.

As to why the C group is in the lead, it's a simple consequence of the fact that it represent all 3 groups (all numbers on the wheel), and given an unbiased wheel why would you expect the results to be any different?

My advice is to take a look at Kon-Fu-Sed's excellent probability tutorial.
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 14, 2008, 12:19:51 PM
bliss,
 
So therefore as we can expect C section to be in the lead, we can say obviously say C section Group numbers are due more often than other section Group numbers.
 
How are you coming along with understanding 4Selecta?  Hopefully your not having too many sleepless nights :)
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 14, 2008, 01:08:02 PM
I have completed 5 months testing of Spielbank  spins, at the halfway stage and have made a start this month so in total 160 sessions. I am incorporating the C Group section option ( C Table) and will see what difference this will make to future results.
 
[table=,]
Date,spins,selective spins,+/-
15.3,105,28,-135
16.3,66,19,+57
17.3,77,23,0
18.3,88,22,+21
19.3,65,17,+22
20.3,100,28,-68
21.3,n/a,,
22.3,90,27,-51
23.3,91,26,-43
24.3,111,33,+113
25.3,126,33,-73
26.3,70,19,+189
27.3,103,28,-85
28.3,86,23,-57
29.3,95,25,+70
30.3,67,21,+188
31.3,99,28,+202
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Month,Unit Profit
January,1031
February,480
March,764
July,1717
August,1318
Sept 1-6,381

Total,5691
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: bliss on September 14, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
QuoteHow are you coming along with understanding 4Selecta?

I think I understand it now, but the tracker is on the back-burner for a while, until I have more time.

Those results are pretty impressive, how do they compare with profits from your EC system?

It doesn't seem to be attracting as much attention as G.U.T.  maybe because "holy grail" is not in the title.  ;)
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 14, 2008, 02:58:40 PM
bliss,
 
It,s good to hear that you have got a handle on 4Selecta, its much simpler than my EC method.
 
I am of course still testing 4Selecta so I can't really compare it with the EC. My target here is 10,000 units profit and despite maths people saying it will be insufficient to prove it a long term winner, I will be satisfied as to it's viability for using it in a casino. I certainly wouldn't laboriously hand test this system if I had any doubts about it making long term profits.
 
When you get more time to discuss the tracker PM me. I know not enough hours in a day.
 
Chips
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: pghilip on September 15, 2008, 01:00:57 PM
Mr. Chips


When testing Spielbank spins, do you use the results from the same table every day?  If so, what table number?

Thanks
Philip
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 15, 2008, 04:27:05 PM
pghilip,
 
Yes the same Table 3.
 
Mr Chips
 
Title: Question for Mr. Chips
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 17, 2008, 12:14:13 AM
Mr. Chips

Here is today's work sheet.  I am at spin 122 and at +52.  What would you do?

(nolinks://img229.imageshack.us/img229/738/chipstb7.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)


Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 17, 2008, 02:39:44 AM
Sam,
 
I need to have the spins up to 122 to see what happened previously in the session and then come to a decision based on all the information I can get leading up to spin 122.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 17, 2008, 07:53:35 AM
They are posted under actuals....9.16.8

Thanks
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 17, 2008, 12:45:54 PM
Sam,
 
I would exit at spin 108, which I had as +55.
 
My thinking at this stage is previously at spin 61 you had +66 and there was strong indications of a possible 100+, but unfortunately the hits didn't come your way and the session went into a loss and recovered at spin 108 with a 3 unit win. Almost always in such a situation I would exit at that point.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 18, 2008, 11:48:09 AM
Mr. Chips

I thought about that.  I had it at 52, so I wasn't far off in my math.

Anyway, back to the salt mine.

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 20, 2008, 11:34:06 PM
Mr. Chips

I am wrestling with your new idea.  Need some help.  Tomorrow when I do my numbers, I will try to do it both ways.  Meanwhile, could you answer these questions?

[table=,]
28,,,..............what is this 28 number?
0-2,,,............what is this 0-2?
8-3,,,
29-4,,,
35-5,,,
34-7,,,
15-8,,,
10-10,,,
2-13,,,
20-17,,,
31-22,,,
19-27,,,
24-33,,,
16-37,,,
35-43,,,
35-47,,35+24,A,
4-53,,4+18,
32-59,,32+12,
16-29,,16+7,
17-34,,17 0,
1-40,,1-6,E,
17-45,,17-11,
4-53,,4+20,A,
,,35+119,
,,,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 21, 2008, 02:48:01 AM
Sam,
 
When I was working through your last session I left out 33 - 1 after the first 28. I have corrected it in the 4Selecta test thread.
 
In your chart you would place a 1 in the C column, which is missing in your chart and 1 in h.
 
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C,,,C,
,,,1,,l,m,h,,
,,,,,,,1,
[/table]
 
It's a good idea to place an A on your worksheet on the line where you will activate the C table and an E when you end using the C Table and revert back as normal.
 
What I have found so far is to activate the C Table when, if C wasn't in the lead you would have had a win from LG,MG or HG. If C levels at any time with one of the other section Groups in the main Table or if C wins and therefore you missed out on that win (it's a doh moment when that happens lol) then you end the C Table.
 
So you can activate and end whenever you think it is appropriate for a particular session. From the testing I have done so far it's worked out really good and say if h is in the lead in the C table and 13, 1, comes in it will be a C bet and most times if C wins it will be the leader in the C Table.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 21, 2008, 07:26:43 AM
[table=,]
Date,spins,select spins,+/-
7.9,89,23,-47
8.9,101,32,-51
9.9,120,32,+14
10.9,76,22,-50
11.9,73,22,+22
12.9,100,28,+52
,,,
,,,
1.4,93,25,+263
2.4,90,24,+60
3.4,89,27,+5
4.4,81,22,+63
5.4,86,24,+91
6.4,56,17,+63
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 21, 2008, 12:46:28 PM
Mr. Chips

Two posts up I asked a question.  It's about the chart that begins with "28".

Now, here is my chart:

[attachimg=#]

Is this the correct format?

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 21, 2008, 01:20:00 PM
Mr. Chips

I have read your explanation a dozen times and I'm still in the dark.  OK, we have this and it's exaggerated:

[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,CG
1,1,1,1.
2,2,,2
3,3,,3
4,,,5
,,,6
,,,7
,,,8
[/table]

Now, our next win is this:

MG
LG
LG.......here we were wanting a HG number to make a C Section and got and LG number which made an L Section.

Here's the question:  Do we switch from wanting a C Section to wanting an L Section because the L Section won?  Or do we still want a C Section but will only use LG numbers, or HG numbers or LG numbers which are under the new C heading?

I have no idea what I'm doing and little idea what I just wrote!!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 21, 2008, 02:01:58 PM
Mr. Chips

I get a message saying, "You've been banned."  when I try to enter the chat room.  So, I guess that's that!  I'll talk to Victor.

Anyway, yes, I am confused all to hell on this. 

In the available numbers chart, there is only, low numbers, middle numbers and high numbers so I don't see how that could be broken down with an expanded C Section.  I only see that possible in the Main chart: LG MG HG CG.  If I don't put the expanced C chart under the CG in the main Chart, I don't know where to put it.

I am probably too tired to think straight. 

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 21, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
Sam,
 
There must be a glitch you can't be banned  :o
 
Your last post perhaps has shed some light on the problem.
 
What the C table is doing is splitting up the C section Group column in the main Table into l, m and h. As you know C section can be made up of any of the Groups eg
 
7
13
2  this will be noted in the main Table as usual and also in the C Table under l
 
3
17
14 as above and noted in the C Table under m
 
21
32
18 as above and noted in the C Table under h
 
Does this make it any clearer?
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 21, 2008, 03:37:20 PM
Mr. Chips

I've done everything I can as an administrator to clear up the ban.  LOL

Let me do today's numbers both ways and you have a look.  I think I see what you are saying. 

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 21, 2008, 04:10:00 PM
Sam,
 
If you are going to post the worksheet 9.20.08 as usual in the Actuals thread I will have a look at it tomorrow.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 21, 2008, 10:55:04 PM
Mr. Chips

Here is my chart for today.&nbsp; The numbers are listed at the permanence section.

I tried to break out the C Section by listing the Group that made up the C section.

33
28
9.........I would put a 1 under the H in the expanded chart to show that the C Section was completed by a HG number. This begins with spin # 8 in today's p1 list.

Sam

(nolinks://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9163/chartwa5.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 22, 2008, 03:11:10 AM
Sam,
 
I think your ok with the C Table now and if you can work through my example in the 4Selecta testing thread and let me know if you encounter any problems.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 22, 2008, 08:04:15 PM
Mr Chips

Well, today was a terrible day.  I'm almost ashamed to post it under "Testing", but I will.

Question:

LG, MG or HG is in the lead.  Then I get a C.  Now, even though C is not in the lead, do I still enter the numbers on the C Chart?

Sorry if I seem dense, but this thing is eating my lunch!

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 23, 2008, 12:33:04 AM
Mr Chips

Here is the chart for today.  I did WJL_9.22.8.p1

(nolinks://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1879/45185781rn2.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

Sam
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 23, 2008, 02:46:23 AM
Sam,
 
You would have to still note the C Table whether it's in the lead or not, as it could take the lead further on in the session.
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on September 28, 2008, 06:39:51 AM
[table=,]
Date,spins,select spins,+/-
13.9,96,29,+29
14.9,115,34,+82
15.9,94,25,-39
16.9,94,27,+51
17.9,93,25,+77
18.9,83,23,+34
19.9,91,27,-31
20.9,85,24,+102
[/table]
 
1 - 20 September +626 units
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 03, 2008, 06:31:35 PM
The September results completes 6 months of testing 4Selecta and I am pleased that just 3,000 will complete the test. I have already started testing for real at a casino and at the end of the year will explain my proposals for 4Selecta for next year.
 
[table=,]
Date,Spins,select spins,+/-
21.9,95,26,-20
22.9,66,18,+24
23.9,94,27,+46
24.9,75,20,-50
25.9,86,24,+56
26.9,105,29,+11
27.9,98,27,+83
28.9,93,27,-43
29.9,92,27,+51
30.9,59,17,+92
,,,
,,,
7.4,88,24,+108
8.4,84,23,-12
9.4,84,25,+224
10.4,79,22,+77
11.4,77,22,-50
12.4,58,17,-52
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Month,Unit Profit
January,1031
February,480
March,764
July,1717
August,1318
September,876
,,
,,
1 -12 April,840
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Spins,Selective spins,Total Unit Profit
18981,5277,7026
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 10, 2008, 05:43:27 PM
[table=,]
Date,Spins,Select spins,+/-
13.4,84,23,+6
14.4,87,21,-11
15.4,82,22,+8
16.4,112,30,-3
17.4,89,25,+9
18.4,103,28,+50
19.4,54,16,+60
20.4,84,25,+106
21.4,86,21,+80
22.4,114,31,-47
23.4,107,29,+55
24.4,76,24,+24
25.4,84,24,-49
26.4,91,24,+47
27.4,96,29,+37
28.4,87,22,-43
29.4,84,24,+126
30.4,88,22,+99
31.4,n/a
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 13, 2008, 06:03:17 PM
Analysis

Select spin 5                    Select spin 10         Select spin 15             Select spin 20
 
[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,Cumulative units,E,
1.9,-5,-19,-31,,-63,,
2.9,+31,+54,+34,,+13,,
3.9,-8,-22,+29,,+68,,
4.9,-6,+13,+53,,+206,19,
5.9,+30,+117,+94,14,+94,14,
6.9,-6,-21,+28,,+34,,
7.9,-4,-14,+4,,-25,,
8.9,-6,-19,-37,,-67,,
9.9,-6,+12,+20,,+13,,
10.9,-4,-16,-39,,-71,,
11.9,-9,+8,+14,,+6,,
12.9,-6,-25,+24,,+33,,
13.9,-6,-18,-41,,-78,,
14.9,-5,-22,-38,,-81,,
15.9,-8,+16,-8,,-38,,
16.9,-9,-23,-7,,-5,,
17.9,-7,+18,0,,+42,,
18.9,-6,+13,-21,,+7,,
19.9,-7,-29,-18,,-18,,
20.9,-7,+2,+5,,+36,,
21.9,-6,-20,-8,,-41,,
22.9,+29,+15,+9,,+24,18,
23.9,-4,-16,-42,,-36,,
24.9,-6,-20,-12,,-50,,
25.9,+32,+21,0,,+11,,
26.9,-4,-15,-2,,-4,,
27.9,-4,-15,+32,,+69,,
28.9,-6,-19,-3,,+4,,
29.9,-5,-18,-3,,+39,,
30.9,-5,-16,+33,,+92,17,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,+122,+289,+379,,+794,,
,-155,-367,-310,,-577,,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,-33,-78,+69,,+217,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 15, 2008, 03:43:45 AM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5                     Select spin 10         Select spin 15             Select spin 20
 
[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,
1.3,-7,-19,-35,-66,,
2.3,-4,-15,-31,+4,,
3.3,+29,+13,-18,+79,,
4.3,-6,-18,-38,-69,,
5.3,-7,-21,-41,+6,,
6.3,-6,+9,+7,-34,,
7.3,+29,+11,+22,+29,,
8.3,+30,+14,-8,+72,,
9.3,+31,+84,+90,+90,15,
10.3,-8,-24,-9,-37,,
11.3,-6,+16,-14,-45,,
12.3,-6,+7,-16,+21,,
13.3,-4,-18,+61,+46,17,
14.3,-4,+23,-1,-26,,
15.3,-6,-21,-42,-69,,
16.3,+26,+28,+19,+57,19,
17.3,-10,-27,-13,-49,,
18.3,-5,+17,-7,+32,,
19.3,-5,+17,+34,+22,17,
20.3,-6,-21,-39,-75,,
21.3,n/a,,,,,
22.3,+32,+17,-4,+2,,
23.3,-6,-19,-41,-68,,
24.3,-4,+21,+70,+44,,
25.3,-6,-22,-38,-61,,
26.3,-4,-18,+90,+189,19,
27.3,-5,+21,+9,-22,
28.3,-5,-19,-41,-72,,
29.3,-4,-16,-37,+36,,
30.3,-5,+13,+91,+91,,
31.3,-7,-23,-10,0,,
,----,----,----,----,,
,+177,+311,+493,+820,,
,-136,-301,-483,-693,,
,----,----,----,----,,
,+41,+10,+10,+127,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 15, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
[table=,]
Month,Unit Profit,
January,1031,
February,480,
March,764,
April,1394,
July,1717,
August,1318,
September,876,
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Spins,Select spins,Total Unit Profit,
20591,5717,7580,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 16, 2008, 03:26:05 PM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5                Select spin 10          Select spin 15        Select spin 20
 
[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,
1.4,-6,-20,+66,+73,,
2.4,-7,+37,+6,+33,,
3.4,+32,+53,+30,-7,,
4.4,-7,+51,+67,+76,,
5.4,-5,+18,+65,+56,,
6.4,-8,+89,+71,+63,15,
7.4,-6,+89,+62,+64,,
8.4,-7,+17,-2,-32,,
9.4,-6,-21,-40,-43,,
10.4,+27,+76,+49,+12,,
11.4,-6,-20,-40,-35,,
12.4,-4,-17,-42,-52,17,
13.4,-4,+19,-7,-5,,
14.4,-6,-21,-46,-76,,
15.4,-5,-19,-7,-41,,
16.4,-5,-18,-37,-65,,
17.4,-7,-23,-47,-7,,
18.4,-6,-22,-6,+2,,
19.4,-4,+51,+66,+60,16,
20.4,-6,-19,-5,+37,,
21.4,+31,+83,+58,+54,,
22.4,-6,-20,-37,-65,,
23.4,-6,-20,-43,-41,,
24.4,-7,+14,-8,+2,,
25.4,-7,-23,+27,-10,,
26.4,-4,-17,-2,-30,,
27.4,-4,-19,-38,-34,,
28.4,-6,-17,-38,-64,,
29.4,-10,-23,-3,-4,,
30.4,-5,-18,+3,+42,,
,----,----,----,----,,
,+90,+597,+570,+574,,
,-160,-357,-448,-611,,
,----,----,----,----,,
,-70,+240,+122,-37,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 18, 2008, 11:10:49 AM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5                 Select spin 10          Select spin 15         Select spin 20
 
[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,Cumulative units,E,
1.1,-7,+10,+22,,+59,,
2.1,-5,+17,+22,,-18,,
3.1,-6,-22,-11,,-40,,
4.1,+30,+17,+30,,+71,,
5.1,-6,-20,+31,,+36,,
6.1,+30,+12,+59,,+184,,
7.1,-6,-19,-38,,-23,,
8.1,-9,+43,+55,,+29,,
9.1,-5,+53,+52,11,+52,11,
10.1,-4,+19,+2,,+44,,
11.1,-6,-15,+3,,-29,,
12.1,-6,+14,+29,,-8,,
13.1,-5,-17,-33,,-55,,
14.1,-6,-19,-44,,-68,,
15.1,-5,-21,-46,,0,,
16.1,-5,+88,+70,,+37,,
17.1,-6,-15,-7,,-15,,
18.1,-6,-17,+3,,-24,,
19.1,+31,+20,+189,12,+189,12,
20.1,+31,+13,+27,,-2,,
21.1,-7,-27,-56,,-93,,
22.1,-4,-17,-39,,-69,,
23.1,+30,+19,+34,,+5,,
24.1,-4,-16,-2,,+42,,
25.1,+30,+12,-2,,-33,,
26.1,-4,+18,+31,,-1,,
27.1,-5,-16,+34,,+75,,
28.1,+31,+22,+3,,-26,,
29.1,-9,+50,+142,12,+133,17,
30.1,-5,+13,+54,,+23,,
31.1,+31,+18,-4,,-31,,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,+244,+458,+892,,+979,,
,-131,-241,-282,,-535,,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,+113,+217,+610,,+444,,
[/table]

 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 18, 2008, 01:47:30 PM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5                      Select spin 10             Select spin 15           Select spin 20   
 
[table=,]
Date,Accumulative units,Accumulative units,Accumulative units,Accumulated units,E,
1.8,+27,+11,+52,+16,,
2.8,-5,-17,-35,-63,,
3.8,-5,+20,0,+38,,
4.8,-4,+17,-3,-32,,
5.8,+31,+123,+134,+134,,
6.8,+29,+8,-19,-16,,
7.8,-6,-25,-19,-15,,
8.8,-5,-23,-12,-48,,
9.8,-5,-17,-8,+135,,
10.8,-7,-22,+25,-3,,
11.8,-5,+52,+61,+25,,
12.8,-9,+45,+15,-6,,
13.8,-5,-26,+17,-22,,
14.8,-5,-19,-39,-30,,
15.8,-5,-17,-3,-31,,
16.8,-6,+17,-1,+1,,
17.8,-4,+21,-14,+21,,
18.8,+31,+16,-6,-37,,
19.8,-5,+16,+71,+141,,
20.8,-5,-17,-39,-65,,
21.8,-5,-17,-37,-37,,
22.8,-6,+19,+2,+48,,
23.8,-7,-29,-47,-68,,
24.8,+31,+19,+25,+35,,
25.8,+31,+16,+25,-4,,
26.8,+31,+17,+31,+91,,
27.8,+30,+16,+66,+107,,
28.8,-6,-19,-44,-76,,
29.8,-9,-29,-15,-48,,
30.8,-5,+17,-5,-33,,
31.8,-7,-25,+25,+34,,
,----,----,----,----,,
,+241,+450,+549,+826,,
,-131,-302,-346,-634,,
,----,----,----,----,,
,+110,+148,+203,+192,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 18, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5                Select spin 10          Select spin 15         Select spin 20
 
[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,
1.2,-6,+23,+6,+85,,
2.2,-7,-17,+3,-28,,
3.2,-4,+18,+40,+19,,
4.2,-6,-20,-38,-25,,
5.2,-5,-18,-29,-55,,
6.2,-6,-17,-39,-33,,
7.2,+33,+19,+36,+6,,
8.2,-5,-15,-30,-21,,
9.2,-6,-15,-40,-64,,
10.2,-6,+12,-9,+35,,
11.2,-5,-19,-41,-33,,
12.2,-6,+18,-2,-24,,
13.2,-5,-15,-34,-29,,
14.2,-6,+49,+89,+122,,
15.2,-9,+1,-16,+22,,
16.2,+29,+84,+64,+101,,
17.2,-4,-16,-34,-39,,
18.2,-5,-23,-43,-30,,
19.2,-5,-19,-40,-4,,
20.2,-7,+49,+31,+2,,
21.2,-5,-16,+39,+73,,
22.2,-7,-21,+17,+38,,
23.2,-5,-18,+63,+35,,
24.2,-6,-25,-64,-66,,
25.2,+32,+19,-1,+38,,
26.2,-4,-25,-45,-39,,
27.2,-6,-22,-38,-61,,
28.2,-7,-26,-12,-8,,
29.2,+30,+48,+25,+55,16,
,----,----,----,----,,
,+124,+340,+413,+631,,
,-143,-347,-555,-559,,
,----,----,----,----,,
,-19,-7,-142,+72,,
[/table]
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 18, 2008, 03:27:36 PM
Analysis
 
Select spin   5       10       15       20
 
[table=,]
Month,Units,Units,Units,Units,
January,+113,+217,+610,+444,
February,-19,-7,-142,+72,
March,+41,+10,+10,+127,
April,-70,+240,+122,-37,
May,+30,+12,-236,-491,
June,-32,+120,+309,+276,
July,+43,-42,-41,+24,
August,+110,+148,+203,+192,
September,-33,-78,+69,+217,
October,-55,-8,-138,-194,
,----,----,----,----,
,+337,+747,+1323,+1352,
,-209,-135,-557,-722,
,----,----,----,----,
,+128,+612,+766,+630,
[/table]
 
Select spin 5
 
[chart]113,94,135,65,95,63,106,216,183,128[/chart]
 
Select spin 10
 
[chart]217,210,220,460,472,592,550,698,620,612[/chart]
 
Select spin 15

[chart]610,468,478,600,364,673,632,835,904,766[/chart]
 
Select spin 20
 
[chart]444,516,643,606,115,391,415,607,824,630[/chart]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on October 19, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5                Select spin 10           Select spin 15          Select spin 20
 
[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,Cumulative units,E,
1.7,-5,+15,-8,,-37,,
2.7,-6,-17,-35,,-57,,
3.7,-6,-19,-7,,-35,,
4.7,-5,+15,+34,,+50,,
5.7,-7,-22,-49,,-12,,
6.7,-4,-15,+67,,+33,,
7.7,-7,-19,-38,,-65,,
8.7,-6,+18,+32,,+2,,
9.7,-6,+14,+14,,+49,,
10.7,-6,-21,-44,,-5,,
11.7,-5,-16,-35,,-26,,
12.7,-7,+10,+12,,+79,,
13.7,-5,-19,-11,,0,,
14.7,-5,-17,-3,,+81,,
15.7,-4,+21,+2,,-15,,
16.7,-5,-20,-41,,-75,,
17.7,-5,-18,+34,,+42,,
18.7,-6,+16,-8,,+67,,
19.7,-5,-19,-40,,-30,,
20.7,-4,-21,-44,,-37,,
21.7,-5,+20,-4,,-34,,
22.7,+30,+18,-2,,-28,,
23.7,+101,+76,+60,13,+60,13,
24.7,-5,-15,+38,,+4,,
25.7,+31,+12,+27,,+1,,
26.7,-5,-16,-6,,-36,,
27.7,-10,-30,+13,,+24,,
28.7,+30,+81,+93,,+100,,
29.7,-4,-17,-8,,-6,,
30.7,-5,-16,-37,,-35,,
31.7,-6,-21,-47,,-35,,
,----,----,----,,----
,+192,+316,+426,,+592,
,-149,-358,-467,,-568,
,----,----,----,,----,
,+43,-42,-41,,+24,
[/table]
 
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on November 02, 2008, 08:44:31 PM
[table=,]
Date,spins,select spins,+/-
1.5,n/a,,
2.5,61,17,-52
3.5,91,25,-4
4.5,114,29,+31
5.5,103,28,-7
6.5,91,25,+111
7.5,73,20,+51
8.5,92,25,+143
9.5,99,28,-72
10.5,83,23,+54
11.5,84,23,-19
12.5,56,16,+42
13.5,55,17,+41
14.5,93,26,-70
15.5,89,26,+162
16.5,81,23,+7
17.5,84,23,+22
18.5,89,25,+66
19.5,99,21,-24
20.5,102,26,-109
21.5,72,21,+12
22.5,n/a,,
23.5,83,22,+36
24.5,88,24,+106
25.5,71,21,-81
26.5,90,23,-50
27.5,102,24,+43
28.5,83,23,-1
29.5,51,14,+102
30.5,75,21,-45
31.5,73,23,-47
[/table]
 
[chart]-52,-4,31,-7,111,51,143,-72,54,-19,42,41,-70,162,7,22,66,-24,-109,12,36,106,-81,-50,43,-1,102,-45,-47[/chart]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on November 06, 2008, 07:52:16 PM
[table=,]
Month,Unit profit
January,1031
February,480
March,764
April,1394
May,448
July,1717
August,1318
September,876
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Spins,Select spins,Total Unit Profit
23018,6379,8028
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on November 12, 2008, 11:09:57 AM
[table=,]
Date,spins,select spins,+/-
1.6,78,21,-68
2.6,93,24,-18
3.6,85,22,-5
4.6,95,22,+59
5.6,85,24,+11
6.6,87,25,+128
7.6,96,26,-30
8.6,69,21,+59
9.6,83,22,-4
10.6,90,25,-49
11.6,94,26,+96
12.6,69,19,-57
13.6,65,19,-57
14.6,82,23,+95
15.6,51,14,+99
16.6,80,21,+6
17.6,57,14,+33
18.6,59,16,+102
19.6,85,22,+33
20.6,68,19,+13
21.6,47,13,+6
22.6,65,19,-23
23.6,93,21,+20
24.6,77,21,+24
25.6,73,20,+36
26.6,89,26,+58
27.6,54,17,+183
28.6,71,21,-87
29.6,72,19,-1
30.6,75,21,+106
[/table]
 
[chart]-68,-18,-5,59,11,128,-30,59,-4,-49,96,-57,-57,95,99,6,33,102,33,13,6,-23,20,24,36,58,183-87,-1,106[/chart]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on November 17, 2008, 10:04:09 AM
[table=,]
Month,Unit Profit
January,1031
February,480
March,764
April,1394
May,448
June,768
July,1717
August,1318
September,876
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Spin,Select spins,Total Unit Profit
25305,7002,8796
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on November 17, 2008, 11:44:40 AM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5            Select spin 10        Select spin 15        Select spin 20
 
[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,Cumulative units,E,
1.5,n/a,,,,,
2.5,+26,-6,-40,,-52,17,
3.5,-5,+18,-33,,-3,,
4.5,-9,+13,+30,,-4,,
5.5,-7,-25,-52,,-86,,
6.5,-6,-18,+33,,+39,,
7.5,-5,+18,+60,,+58,,
8.5,+29,+21,+1,,+10,,
9.5,-7,-24,-43,,-78,,
10.5,-5,+18,-3,,+2,,
11.5,-6,-18,-40,,-69,,
12.5,-8,+81,+50,,+42,16,
13.5,-5,-22,-12,,+41,17,
14.5,-5,-17,-37,,-64,,
15.5,-7,-18,+30,,-3,,
16.5,-4,+20,-4,,-4,,
17.5,-7,+18,-1,,+6,,
18.5,-6,-17,-4,,0,,
19.5,-8,-30,-18,,-53,,
20.5,-7,-24,-44,,-71,,
21.5,-7,+46,+18,,-17,,
22.5,n/a,,,,,,
23.5,-7,-25,-52,,-55,,
24.5,-5,-18,-6,,+68,,
25.5,-5,-22,-45,,-72,,
26.5,+30,+18,-4,,-28,,
27.5,-7,-22,-4,,-27,,
28.5,-10,-40,-75,,-79,,
29.5,+101,+87,+102,14,+102,14,
30.5,-4,-20,-45,,-69,,
31.5,-4,+20,+2,,-25,,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,+186,+378,+326,,+368,,
,-156,-366,-562,,-859,,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,+30,+12,-236,,-491,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on November 18, 2008, 06:02:48 AM
Analysis
 
Select spin 5             Select spin 10           Select spin 15          Select spin 20

[table=,]
Date,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,Cumulative units,E,Cumulative units,E,
1.6,-6,-17,-47,,-89,,
2.6,-5,-16,-1,,-27,,
3.6,-5,+19,-1,,+9,,
4.6,-9,-21,+32,,+37,,
5.6,-6,-20,+32,,+39,,
6.6,-6,-22,-9,,-35,,
7.6,-5,-17,+2,,+11,,
8.6,+31,+54,+29,,+33,,
9.6,-4,-18,-35,,-24,,
10.6,-6,+13,-13,,-48,,
11.6,-6,+19,-3,,-2,,
12.6,-7,-18,-36,,-57,19,
13.6,-4,-17,-34,,-57,19,
14.6,-4,-14,+35,,+6,,
15.6,-7,+47,+99,14,+99,14,
16.6,-7,-20,-48,,-25,,
17.6,+32,+50,+33,14,+33,14,
18.6,+31,+54,+107,,+102,16,
19.6,-5,-17,-37,,+6,,
20.6,+26,+41,+7,,+13,19,
21.6,-5,+15,+6,13,+6,13,
22.6,-5,+15,0,,-23,,
23.6,-6,-18,+62,,+27,,
24.6,-9,-26,+15,,-7,,
25.6,-6,+16,+33,,+36,,
26.6,-5,-22,-9,,-7,,
27.6,-5,+13,+92,,+183,17,
28.6,-7,-23,-50,,-79,,
29.6,-5,+20,+31,,-1,19,
30.6,-7,+50,+17,,+117,,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,+120,+426,+632,,+757,,
,-152,-306,-323,,-481,,
,----,----,----,,----,,
,-32,+120,+309,,+276,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on December 08, 2008, 12:52:37 PM
[table=,]
Date,Spins,select spins,+/-
1.10,77,23,+18
2.10,76,20,-67
3.10,57,17,+26
4.10,70,20,-40
5.10,67,20,+67
6.10,76,21,+25
7.10,81,24,+60
8.10,78,22,+8
9.10,92,22,-11
10.10,57,16,-6
11.10,67,20,+6
12.10,89,24,+27
13.10,72,20,+15
14.10,55,17,+26
15.10,64,18,-53
16.10,76,20,+22
17.10,81,22,+16
18.10,67,21,+30
19.10,85,24,+287
20.10,84,22,-14
21.10,89,25,+18
22.10,89,25,+146
23.10,81,23,-57
24.10,80,25,+63
25.10,81,22,-52
26.10,86,22,+13
27.10,70,22,-52
28.10,76,22,-55
29.10,76,22,+32
30.10,97,25,-43
31.10,75,22,+29
[/table]
 
[chart]18,-67,26,-40,67,25,60,8,-11,-6,6,27,15,26,-53,22,16,30,287,-14,18,146,-57,63,-52,13,-52,-55,32,-43,29[/chart]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on December 19, 2008, 06:24:07 PM
[table=,]
Month,Unit Profit
January,1031
February,480
March,764
April,1394
May,448
June,768
July,1717
August,1318
September,876
October,484
[/table]
 
[table=,]
Spins,select spins,Total Unit Profit
27676,7670,9280
[/table]
 
[chart]1031,1511,2275,3669,4117,4885,6602,7920,8796,9280[/chart]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Lanky on December 21, 2008, 04:13:21 AM
Mr Chips .

My Friend let Me congratulate You On Your Results.

$9280 Profit in 10 months.

That's $928 Profit per Month.

Fantastic My Mate Just Bloody Fantastic.

I wish You Ongoing continued success for the future Buddy.

Good On Ya Mate.

Lanky.

PS..I hope it was OK to put this here....if not just move it Mate.




Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on December 21, 2008, 06:38:46 AM
Lanky,
 
Thankyou for your kind words.
 
You did lose me 70 units but that's ok lol](I Snuck back in & fixed it Mate.lol.. Lanky)   

I am getting close now to the 10000 unit target. I know many people must think I am 10c short of a $ doing
all this hand testing, but it is the only way really to test a system, to discover possible flaws and therefore
make improvements, discover better ways of doing certain parts of the system. You increase your ability to
know when to exit a session especially a losing session. It is hard work and a slog at times, but I have enjoyed
developing this system and near reaching my target.
 
Kind Regards
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on December 31, 2008, 02:50:57 PM
[table=,]
Date,spins,select spins,+/-
1.11,73,21,+30
2.11,76,22,+27
3.11,88,25,-42
4.11,86,24,+53
5.11,75,22,+21
[/table]
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on January 01, 2009, 07:38:40 PM
THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER POSTS FOR THE TIME BEING
 
anyone who has questions concerning 4Selecta are welcome to email me
 
Mr Chips
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: VLSroulette on April 09, 2009, 05:27:34 PM
Hi mates, I just "rescued" this thread as I was getting complains from people who participated on it (like Kon-Fu-Sed) and didn't find it.

I hope our dear Thread Starter (Richard / Mr. Chips) may let this one be. I've PM'd him with a little request regarding this one :)

Well guys, the original 4 Selecta Thread is back!

Enjoy.
Victor
Title: Re: The 4Selecta system
Post by: Mr Chips on December 03, 2009, 11:16:23 AM
I asked for this version of 4Selecta not to be brought back, but my request was ignored.

A French forum has used this early version at the beginning of this thread and therefore
has not used the recommended current version.

The up to date version is located at nolinks://nolinks.4selectasystem.com (nolinks://nolinks.4selectasystem.com)