1 chip on single street 1 -3
1 chip on single street 7 - 9
1 chip on single street 16 -18
1 chip on single street 19 -21
1 chip on single street 25 - 27
1 chip on single street 34- 36
1 chip on split 9 -12
1 chip on split 18 -21
1 chip on split 27- 30
1 chip on 0.
Master Progression: 1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,5.
Once a new level is reached eg say we have moved from the number 1's on the progression to the the number 2's on the progression you can not move back to the 1's you must stay at 2 level and move forward.
On a losing bet then move forward 1 step on the progression, on a win move back 1 step. This is a
sliding progression. Quit when you are making reasonable profit.
done a few small tests with this last night
its looking very good...
:)
how much have you wont with it?
and what stage of the progression have you got to?
thanks for this system... looks good so far....
The 4's on the progression is the furthest I have got to. Done well on (rng fun play) rng real play is risky because the software will force losses.
On a real wheel this works pretty good.
How much have I won with it @ the answer is on 1 session I got from £200 to £760 (rng fun). With 25p BASE chips
I have always come out on on top even though some sessions have took a lot of spins to recover.
I won 2 hundred on real play but to be honest I have not had time to play it much on real wheel .
This method can either make the money fast or become a grind but so far I have always finished in profit.
This should be played on single 0 only.
I've played it for a few hundred spins so far (RNG play money). It's gone up and down but so far always back up. And that's flat-betting. I was too lazy to keep up with the progression. I'll try that next.
Sam
Must say this seems rather good I can see what you mean about the grind if you loose so many in a row, I started off in free play with £70 and got up to £200 but with a nasty run cleared out haha. So I started off again with a 900 unit BR and so far so good, will keep testing before I try with real money (after xmas).
Good luck twister , you might be better trying to make a different progression too , some thing more aggressive may be the best.
I think what I might do is still bet 10 units but on the splits rather than streets and use the same progression. Any hows I'll keep people updated on how I do.
Well I just played for real dough on the RNG and won $50 in twelve spins. Very nice.
What value chips were you playing with birdy. Thats very very lucky..........
I have decided that this is a much better progression to play this after doing a lot of testing.
The progression is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. Play as follows :- We start off at number 1 on the progression , we can only go to number 2 on the progression after 3 consecutive losses on the trot. Once we are at the number 2 on the progression we can only go to number 3 after 3 consecutive losses , once we are at number 4 on the progression we can only go to number 5 after 3 consecutive losses and so on .......... This works much better. I made another £80 using this progression playing with only 25p chips. Once a win at any progression level shows a new profit then reset back to 1 chip.
I've done that on free play then its gone as quick as you get it, perhaps this is a system if you make 50 units you take it and run?
I agree with that twister , if you are playing with 25 pence chips and build up a £50 profit then only greed can draw your balance down. Try the new 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 method.
Quote from: Kingspin link=topic=17428. msg123751#msg123751 date=1290376145
I agree with that twister , if you are playing with 25 pence chips and build up a £50 profit then only greed can draw your balance down. Try the new 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 method.
I shall give it a try Kingspins but agree with you about using it on real money RNG the only way I have found to make them work on rng is to make a set amount then lose a set amount on another game but this could be just dumb luck.
EDIT: I take it the new progression is doubling the amount again and sliding?
I play with $1 units. Just made another $49.
Twister under no cirumstances play this for real money on rng roulette unless you play short sessions even as low as 5 spins if it means walking away with profit . I can tell you now the rng will hate this system and force you to lose over longer sessions. The new method is completely different and makes for less time sat playing there for less chance of losing. This is a different way to play completely. You start out at 1 chip on all the numbers and keep playing at 1 chip till you lose 3 bets on the trot , then you raise to 2 chips and stick playing 2 chips per number until you are happy with what you won or if you lose then we attack using 3 chips , we keep playing at 3 chips per number until we get a few wins and decide to quit , if we are greedy then we keep betting till we lose another 3 bets on the trot then we raise the chips to 4 chips per number and so on, this method reduces time at the wheel.
Less time betting is better , better for hit and run but we still have a powerfulmethod to attack for extended sessions.
I placed £12 in 4 online casinos and won £7 at one casino , £4 at the other , £9 at the other and £17 at another this was from just a £12 bankroll placed in each casino , quit with small wins and spread the play over many casino's. this was rng on real money just to prove how it went . Love those 0s ;D :biggrin:
I've only gone to the 2's on the original progression a couple of times; I'm surprised you ever got into the 4's.
I play on play money until I get a strong drawback, then I switch to real money and get out when I hit $50.
How can you play with a $12 bankroll? If you lose the first spin you're down to $2.
sam
Oh, I just realized, you're probably playing with 25p units. Sorry.
@KINGSPIN
1 chip X 10 = 10 chips at 25P = 2,5 $
is this correct?
:)
lud8400
Quote from: Kingspin link=topic=17428. msg123764#msg123764 date=1290377939
Twister under no cirumstances play this for real money on rng roulette unless you play short sessions even as low as 5 spins if it means walking away with profit . I can tell you now the rng will hate this system and force you to lose over longer sessions. The new method is completely different and makes for less time sat playing there for less chance of losing. This is a different way to play completely. You start out at 1 chip on all the numbers and keep playing at 1 chip till you lose 3 bets on the trot , then you raise to 2 chips and stick playing 2 chips per number until you are happy with what you won or if you lose then we attack using 3 chips , we keep playing at 3 chips per number until we get a few wins and decide to quit , if we are greedy then we keep betting till we lose another 3 bets on the trot then we raise the chips to 4 chips per number and so on, this method reduces time at the wheel.
Less time betting is better , better for hit and run but we still have a powerfulmethod to attack for extended sessions.
I placed £12 in 4 online casinos and won £7 at one casino , £4 at the other , £9 at the other and £17 at another this was from just a £12 bankroll placed in each casino , quit with small wins and spread the play over many casino's. this was rng on real money just to prove how it went . Love those 0s ;D :biggrin:
I've had a few quick spins on RNG and won a few quid :), how about adding something along the lines of 3 virtual losses before starting the progression?
I would only play with 25p units or 25c units yes £2.50 total on the first bet . To play with 1 dollar / 1 pound units a 2k bankroll is needed if you wish to play it all the way.
1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,5. The underlined 4 is the furthest I ever got to over many many games. (over 1500)
Hi Kingspin i do like this system of yours so thanks for posting it please do say at which 4 casinos are you playing at please do say when you have some free time as i would be a copy cat and use the same ones as you have proved there honesty keep winning and keep 'er lit Colin :yes:
Twister if we play the 1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,5. progression waiting for virtual wins
is in my opinion worthless. We seem to beat a lot of bad deviation with this progression so why wait for anything.
I personally dont believe waiting for any thing to happen on a roulette wheel I just bet every spin. The virtual methods basically are in my opinion a complete waste of time . The wheel don't care how many spins you sat counting it makes not 1 iota difference.
Good luck colin i posted you the winning casino's that you can win at.
I am raking in big bucks at smart live casino real wheels.
Thanks again .Colin :)
So one would need a $250 bankroll if playing with 25c chips. I'm just so surprised the progression went all the way to the 4's. Now I'm nervous about playing.
Sam
Wait a second, playing the progression through with $1 units- 111111,222222,333333,444444,555555 equals $900. I see, the 2k is on the 12345678910 progression. That's pretty hefty. This is taking on Mr. J proportions. I need to win a bunch more before I can play stakes like that.
Unfortunately I have no choice but to play $1 minimum. If I want a live wheel then I have to play $5 minimum.
By the way, I don't mean to be ethnocentric with the $ thing; I just don't have a euro or pound sign on my computer. I hope you guys don't mind.
Sam
A £550 bankroll with 50p chips is much better and still will put a smile on your face with less stress mate.
The reason I got to the higher levels on the progression was because I had played over 2 thousand spins.
Mostly in at least 90% of the games you wont go past the 2' s .you can have a new high profit before reaching the 4's on most sessions . My tests have been 500 spins a time. Its like if you sit tossing a coin all day long , after say 18 hours of tossing a coin you will for sure will see 20 heads/tails consecutively. Basically the longer you sit playing the furthur you will travel up the progression.
You can win using only a 100 -150 chip bankroll , I do this often.
I always play with 25p chips on these kind of progressions. Playing with 1 pounds could see some biggish bets going down if you are unlucky and finish higher up the progression ladder. .
So you really wouldn't feel safer playing right after going to the 5's on play money?
By the way, thanks for turning me on to this thread.
Sam
Birdhands mate , how far you wish to go on a progression is up the the individual player , what I am saying is that we can win a lot of progressions /games without travelling to ward the end of the progression.
i just played a session at dublin bet with 50p chips real money my bankroll was £200 i finished £ 90 up.
In only went as far as the 2's on the progression , 0 hit a few times which helps a lot , plus some splits hit, took me about 130 spins to win the £90.
King any Reasons you choose those splits?
No high roller i just put the system together on the dot so to speak just as a quick test. I choose 2 spits in particular where we bet the 12 and 21 with splits as these often can hit back to back once they show. Any pair of splits I think would change nothing about the method. I have just won another 160 chips on real wheel in just over half an hour which is very lucky.
@kingspin
:o :o
Look at my real test Hoyensyburg table 27 22/11/2010
flat betting -265
Progression level 29 after 250 spins result -2175
Have a nice day
:)
ludo 400
Quote from: ludo8400 link=topic=17428. msg123842#msg123842 date=1290504100
@kingspin
:o :o
Look at my real test Hoyensyburg table 27 22/11/2010
flat betting -265
Progression level 29 after 250 spins result -2175
Have a nice day
:)
ludo 400
I'm guessing -11 is a loss on the 1st progression but shouldn't it be -10 unless your using something beside 10p or £1?
@kingspin
@twister
:thumbsup:
New results after CORRECTION
flat betting :-28
progression until level 5 : PLUS 99
Kapital needed 197 chips see attach
:D
ludo8400
Why +3? Shouldn't it be +2 on a street win?
I'm still not sure you're doing the progression correctly. It should be forward on a loss, back one on a win.
Still very promising. Thanks for your work.
Sam
PS I'm up another $100 this morning.
I am up 260 chips today :)
You will always get people who search through hundreds maybe even thousands of spins to prove we should not play our system . I don't think the guy who posted the big losses played the progression right any way.
He most likely works for a small casino lol
;D
when you are losing go backwards and winning move forward. wait for atleast 2 continuous wins to move forward.
why most of us lose is due to sleepers. So careful guys on your prgression.
Kingspin,
You're right, he didn't do the progression right, but did you see it was +99? No big losses there.
Allin,
Move forward on wins? I don't get it. I could use some more explanation here. You're saying stay at1 when losing, but move to 2 after winning twice?
Sam
And for american wheel?
Kingspin,
I am in UK and play Dublin 50p (euro) and Smart 25p but where else Live for 25p ?
Thanks for system - looking good so far no loss yet and only into 2's but not sure I always get my 'sliding' right.
About to try your new progression of 3 losses in a row.
Regards,
Alf
forever,
you're definitely better off with a european wheel, unless you want to cover the 00 and be betting 11 units each time.
Quote from: Kingspin on November 21, 2010, 05:47:25 PM
I have decided that this is a much better progression to play this after doing a lot of testing.
The progression is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. Play as follows :- We start off at number 1 on the progression , we can only go to number 2 on the progression after 3 consecutive losses on the trot. Once we are at the number 2 on the progression we can only go to number 3 after 3 consecutive losses , once we are at number 4 on the progression we can only go to number 5 after 3 consecutive losses and so on .......... This works much better. Once a win at any progression level shows a new profit then reset back to 1 chip.
So reset to 1 chip once we are back in the positive, or just after a win?
You are sure this is better than sliding forward on the progression with each loss, and backward with each win?
Fine tuning at this point.
Sam
Kinspin looks like everything is going well for you. Mind posting your gameplay here?
Yes high roller I can tell you the way I am winning no problem . I know I posted 2 progressions but the one that works better for me is the 1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,5.. it is safe and steady for the most part anyway. The first thing I notice about a lot of games playing this method is that we get long runs of winning streaks either with the single streets hitting or the splits, What I do now is I only start to bet on a win , this way I can catch nice long streaks which happen often enough. After a long streak of wins I notice streaks of losses follow so I never start on a losing number just in case I catch a losing streak. I am moving forward on a loss 1 number on the progression, moving back 1 number on the progression on a win. For the most part I am showing new profit or close to new profit in the 2's where I reset back to the 1's (at first 1) on the progression. Say I am playing in the 2's and a few split's or 0 hit and show me a new profit I personally go back to the 1's at the first step, you can get greedy and hold the bets on the 2's even when in a new profit but thats up to individual players, if you get greedy and hold the 2's for that extra profit and you get a few misses you will then find your self getting much deeper into the progression which as we all know is risky. I honestly think we dont need the full progression to the 5's as so far it's not that often I have gone to the 5's , not saying it won't or can't happen just that so far it seems uncommon.
Quote from: Kingspin on November 21, 2010, 07:18:59 PM
I placed £12 in 4 online casinos and won £7 at one casino , £4 at the other , £9 at the other and £17 at another this was from just a £12 bankroll placed in each casino , quit with small wins and spread the play over many casino's. this was rng on real money ;D :biggrin:
How many days do you wait before hitting the same casino again? Do you play them all simultaneously? How many spins on an RNG do you think are safe?
Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I'm winning consistently with your horse shoe and I don't want to make any unnecessary mistakes.
Sam
Hi bird hands I hope your birds are doing fine :D
1. 1. 1. 2. 3. 2. 3 . 4. 3. 3 . 4. 5 4. 5. 6. 6 . 7. 8. 6 . 6.
This is a new progression , the other one was too slow and boring even though it works well.
Been playing for hours now and can see the original progression is the problem. too slow.
I am starting playing it right now and will report back tomorrow.
Bird hands your insane playing rng mate - the thing has a mind of it's own -be warned!
What can I do? It's RNG or nothing. Well I guess I could play a live online wheel but it's american 00 and has a $5 minimum.
Is this new progression sliding?
2 ways to play this new progression 1 is sliding up and down the other is different , the other method is we start out at the first leg of the progression and the play right till the end no moving backwards , win or lose every bet you work along the progression till a profit then you go back to first step , if no profit your in the progression to the end! ;D
This progression is 1 worth trying 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10.10. try this one sliding should in theory be less boring.
So this one: 111,2222,333,444...etc is the one that you play straight through to the end?
Or are you saying 1112323433.....can be played straight through?
Sam
I'm not really worried about being bored; in fact, I think it's impossible to be bored when real money is at stake. I just want to get in and get back out with $50 asap (especially on the rng).
It seems to me there's a big difference between winning a street and a split, and again between a split (12 and 30) and a street/split (9,18,21,27), and then there's the 0.
So the winnings are:
street- +1
split- +7
street/split- +18
0- +25
I'm thinking the progression should reflect these values. Ie. we move further back if we hit a 27 than we do if we hit a 3.
To be honest, my math skills get tired right about here, so I'm hoping someone will step in and do whatever computations will give us the least risk/greatest profit progression.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: This system rocks!
Ps. Up another $100 today.
Sam
111,2222,333,444...etc or 1112323433 are experimental at the moment birdhands to be honest i have not spent much time testing them but yes the idea is to bet straight through until profit then reset back to beginning, maybe worth a test on fun play tonight i will try some different progressions and report back.
Quote from: birdhands link=topic=17428. msg123928#msg123928 date=1290619845
I'm not really worried about being bored; in fact, I think it's impossible to be bored when real money is at stake. I just want to get in and get back out with $50 asap (especially on the rng).
It seems to me there's a big difference between winning a street and a split, and again between a split (12 and 30) and a street/split (9,18,21,27), and then there's the 0.
So the winnings are:
street- +1
split- +7
street/split- +18
0- +25
I'm thinking the progression should reflect these values. Ie. we move further back if we hit a 27 than we do if we hit a 3.
To be honest, my math skills get tired right about here, so I'm hoping someone will step in and do whatever computations will give us the least risk/greatest profit progression.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: This system rocks!
Ps. Up another $100 today.
Sam
Just out of interest what unit size do you use? has it been working well on rng?
Twister on "fun" rng games I have seen some good wins and big wins too. I suspect on real play rng that this system will fail bad. I got hammered at mecca casino the other day , I put in £25 and started risky with 20p chips I went from £25 to £31 then got hammered fast , the rng lit up all un betted spots which is what rng does on real play. My opinion is that on an honest rng if there is such a thing then we could get some wins worth having.
Bird hands is maybe been lucky at the moment , I have played for extremely long sessions like 14 hour sessions with this method and seem to get draw downs when 0 sleeps long time and when the splits sleep. ALso when the game goes mostly black draw down comes, getting back up to profit can take forever on a real wheel. You can be up 260 chips easily then hit a draw down of 300 chips easily.
1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10.10. This is a progression worth trying on the sliding progression , furthest I got to so far is the underlined 7
Super Lucky horse shoe :- 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10.10 PLay the same bets as lucky horse shoe but add splits 10/11 and 29/32 and use this sliding progression. On a loss forward 1 number on a win back 1 number , on a break even go back 1 number Nice winner this one.
I play $1 units on rng. I've won $300 in six sessions so far.
I'm thinking a way to beat the crooked rng would be to play 1 unit on all numbers, 2 on 0, and the rest normal lucky horse shoe, that way there are no unlit numbers for the rng to go for. It loses 1 unit per spin, but that's a low price to pay for fairness. What do you all think?
Thats a clever way to maybe confuse the rng nice one :thumbsup:
Try the super horse I just posted , this seems to be a good bet provided we don't get greedy, win 50 chips should be not much of a problem and the progression is good as I have tested it , just tried it on mecca casino and made 80 .chips , same bets as "lucky horse shoe" but 2 splits added. adds a bit of magic.. :biggrin:
Regarding adjusting the progression moves as to which bet wins is an interesting thought , I will work some thing out that I think may be suitable. :)
1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10.10
Just made £200 with the super horse shoe playing the above progression. :D
Hey guys,
I had a thought the other day and have been testing it on the 3/2 system with decent results.
Since I lose 5 units for each loss, I set my betting scale up as follows:
1111222233334444555566667777etc... (Remember a 1 actually represents 5 units (3 & 2) so a 2 would represent 6/4, 3 = 9/6 etc..) Note that I only use 4 of each level instead of 5. The fewer numbers of each level, the more aggressive the bet line. We could use 5 or even 6 or more but that gets to be a real grind.
Whenever I lose, I move 5 steps to the right. whenever I win I move 1 step to the left. This has always ended up with a profit. Although I have only tried it a couple of times. Of course, if I lose again before reaching the first 1, I move 5 steps to the right from wherever I was on the bet line. A few losses close together can move us down the line a ways, but a good streak of wins can get us back as well. I don't have to go all the way back to the first 1 in the bet line, if I reach a good plus amount at any time, I can call it a day or take my win and reset back to the first 1.
Using your system (latest version of 12 units) we could use a bet line of 111111111122222222223333333333etc...
On a loss, move 12 steps to the right and on a win move 1 step to the left. This is based on a 3 number line hitting. If a zero, split, or combo hits, we should move a corresponding number of steps to the left to reflect the number of units won.
If ten numbers at each level is too slow, make it 8 numbers, but always move 12 numbers to the right on a loss that way there's always a win when you get back to the 1st 1.
George
P.S. I just realized that with the 2 extra splits, a street hit doesn't result in a win, but a loss of 1 unit. I think the above idea is still valid, it'll just have to be tweaked to fit this system. Maybe the original version will work better with this bet line idea. Cheers
Quote from: GLC on November 25, 2010, 12:58:48 AMguys,
P.S. I just realized that with the 2 extra splits, a street hit doesn't result in a win, but a loss of 1 unit. I think the above idea is still valid, it'll just have to be tweaked to fit this system. Maybe the original version will work better with this bet line idea.
Actually a street hit breaks even.
I'm interested in your idea, but don't totally get it yet.
How to figure a "corresponding number of steps to the left" is where I'm stuck.
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on November 25, 2010, 08:30:02 AM
Actually a street hit breaks even.
I'm interested in your idea, but don't totally get it yet.
How to figure a "corresponding number of steps to the left" is where I'm stuck.
Sam
Sam,
Let's use his original bet of ten units.
11111111222222223333333344444444555555556666666677777777
If we lose at first 1 unit bet, we move 10 steps to the right which puts us at 3rd 2 unit bet.
If we win on a street 3 times, we will be at the 8th 1 unit bet.
If we lose this bet we move 10 steps to the right which puts us at the second 3 unit bet.
If we win on a street, we move 1 step to the left.
If we win on a split, we move 7 steps to the left .
If we win on a st/split, we move 18 steps or in this case back to the 1st 1 unit bet
Same as above for 0 hit.
After working out the payoffs, this is probably too aggressive of a bet line.
I tested this bet line briefly on this system before going to bed and kept winning a lot-quickly because I was hitting the higher paying bets.
The bet line idea was based on the 3/2 system which loses 5 or wins 1 or multiples thereof .
It appears to be a little more complicated with this system.
It does work just fine, but maybe 10 bets at each level as if you're playing for street wins only and if you hit one of the higher paying bets, it's a bonus and should complete the line or move it back quite a ways.
I don't know how to play it the best.
I just know that this idea of jumping forward and then working your way back down the line works.
Obviously tweaking is necessary.
I may get back to this later.
LOL,
George
I like your idea and I'll work with it when I get a chance. Right now it's thanksgiving here.
I'm not sure I would move at all on a hit street, since it's just breaking even.
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on November 25, 2010, 01:45:12 PM
I like your idea and I'll work with it when I get a chance. Right now it's thanksgiving here.
I'm not sure I would move at all on a hit street, since it's just breaking even.
Sam
I agree with you. But if you use the 10 units bet original method each street hit is +1.
His new 12 units bet method is a little harder to decide what to do.
Happy Thanksgiving,
George
Okay super shoe looks okay :) but what I'm doing when its breaking even I'm not shifting along the sequence just staying, playing RNG with £ started 600 units got to 700+ units with still 4 slides downwards to go. But I can understand that it can get boring and playing live wheels can drag thats why you should try and have a 15 min break for every 100 units made when playing online stretch your legs ;D
Yes stay at the same leg on a break even win , this works much better , just made another £190 today with the super horse shoe which is my best winner system.
Thanks for ignoring my great bet method.
After much more testing, I am finally getting a more realistic picture and it ain't pretty unless you like looking up from a hole about a mile deep.
Cheers,
George
So it's a loser then glc , ??? Your progression or the complete system , which are you refer to mate.
My tests using 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10.10 1 step Forward on a loss and 1 back on a win stay at same on break even (super horse shoe) seem to be as good a method as possible. :thumbsup:
Back to the drawing board :'(
Quote from: Kingspin on November 25, 2010, 09:06:54 PM
So it's a loser then glc , ??? Your progression or the complete system , which are you refer to mate.
My tests using 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10.10 1 step Forward on a loss and 1 back on a win seem to be as good a method as possible. :thumbsup:
Back to the drawing board :'(
Sorry I wasn't clear.
My bet system is the loser. Takes us too deep in the hole when we get a series of losers close together.
I like your system. I was just trying a little different bet method.
BTW, I never declare someone's system a loser. They all win and lose. The question is"can you play so as to take advantage of the wins and minimize the losses?"
Even my progression wins sometimes. It''s just not as steady as I like.
GLC
Thanks glc and sorry for ignoring you mate i was busy but would always reply to your posts.
The thing with this is system is that we can win at least some money virtually every time we go to start a game at the table. , what kills us is when we get greedy and play for extended sessions , this is where we could meet a progression and have to follow it much furthur than is comfortable which is where it's risky.
Greed is the only way we loose. :(
Hi Kingspin,
I tried your "Super Lucky Horse Shoe" for real money. It worked very well. I hit the first step of level 2 only 3-4 times. I followed your recommendation, so I didn't play too long, but I managed to make 120 units profit. That's great. I think it is a good idea to jump from casino to casino, and to stay a minimum time in each. . . make your target profit, and move on.
Thank you.
Robert
OK, let me start by saying that I am not a math whiz, but I have some ideas.
I think the Super Horse is mathematically inferior to the original Lucky Horse Shoe and here's why:
The original makes $2 on every street hit; the Super breaks even, but makes $6 on four extra numbers. So looking at the relative benefits and drawbacks we have:
Super offers an extra $24 ($6 x 4 numbers) while sacrificing the 18 street number profits
But the Original offers $36 ($2 x 18 numbers) while sacrificing the 10, 11, 29, and 32
I'm not sure about this because I think the math is probably complex. Maybe someone with a bigger brain could help.
I've been winning consistently with both, but I want to make the best choice here.
Also, I am definitely not moving on the progression with a street hit, although with the Original I might move back one step for every 5 street wins.
Thanks GLC for your efforts.
Sam
I have been doing a lot of testing over the last few days, especially I have been trying it out over thousands of spins, one thing for sure is that the progression should never be played past the 3's. From what I see you would be the luckiest person on the planet to recover losses past the 3's on the progression and if attempting to do so you will see losses that are way too bad. I have seen a lot of recovery's up to or around the the last of the 3's. Any decent hits in the 3's can bring you to break even or small loss or even slight profit but no way should it be played past the 3's. so the progression I would play is 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3. Take the loss if your progression busts. This is for the original horse shoe . So basically if you have had a bad session and are into the 3s on the progression and you get some nice hits that take you back up close to your start balance then reset back to the first 1 in the progression and re start! then don't push your luck by holding the 3's because if you do it often can make it hard work to recover your losses. GLC Thanks for your posts I am leaving this system alone now and leave you guys to try it.
OK So that's a 200 unit bankroll. If we lose the 200, we take a walk and come back later.
I just played the original horse shoe, $1 bets, 111,2222,3333, sliding progression, forward on a loss, back on a win, hold on a street win until I accumulate 5 of them, then back one step. Terrible numbers, but still finished one session up $50 and the other up $30. Maybe 150 spins total.
Who else is playing real money RNG?
Sam
Quote from: birdhands link=topic=17428. msg124050#msg124050 date=1290778128
I just played the original horse shoe, $1 bets, 111,2222,3333, sliding progression, forward on a loss, back on a win, hold on a street win until I accumulate 5 of them, then back one step. Terrible numbers, but still finished one session up $50 and the other up $30. Maybe 150 spins total.
Who else is playing real money RNG?
Sam
I gave it a whirl with a with rng with £7 I had left from a bonus with William Hill I used 10p units and it went well got up to 23 however it got eaten up. rng just isn't friendly haha. Having said that I think the super horse shoe might work with rng as their are 12 numbers you loose on 11 you win and the rest you break even on unless rng knows what amount are on the bets you'd be pretty unlucky to hit say 10 out of the 12 in a row.
Twister,
That doesn't really make sense to me. If the RNG is going to hit unbet numbers and force losses, why would betting on a few extra numbers make a difference? Did you read my post on the Original vs. the Super? Or the one about how to outsmart a rigged RNG by betting all numbers?
Frankly I don't think the RNG is rigged.
Sam
The thing I've found with RNG is that it just tends to screw you over the longer you play it. I agree with trying to outsmart the rigged RNG but don't think betting on all numbers is needed just giving the RNG less options on numbers that will result in a loss. How ever we all know dozens can sleep for a long period of time whether its RNG or a live wheel. I like the super horse shoe its not 50/50 on a win/loss but it works well.
Edit: I came within 12 units of busting with the super horse shoe got to the last 8 in the progression, basically I'd done a few runs and every 100 made I'd stop. So I started got to 1200 unit and thought I'd push for another 100 after a break so started and was shocked at how it got out of hand :boredom: but it got back up to 1200 and left it (was betting 5 units on each bet selection) so glad that was on RNG fun play and not real money :yahoo:
Edit2: Okay I busted with super horse shoe on the first 9 sequence as I didn't have what was re-queried to carry on. I think the reason why was I wasn't sliding down on a break even like I stated before, the first few times I did this it yielded a quick prophet gain but I think it will screw you over if you get to many loses .
Edit3: beggars belief gone straight to 5 in the sequence without a single win ouch.
So you have quit with the method then twister43 ;D
Always walk away with the profit and don't push your luck, most I have seen is 6 straight losses with out wins until last of 2's and winning it back in the 3's.
Like I said before if you sit playing 24 hours a day you eventually see bad session :nono: where you lose all your profits and more. :biggrin:
I will give you an example of what happened to me on a recent full day playing at wiliam hill casino club, i start out with a £300 bankroll playing 50p chips i played all day and was up by £125 profit , eventually i so a bad game and lost the £125 plus an additional £20 , i carried on playing and eventually got to break even , so i had played all day for nothing.
:) just taking a break for the weekend my head felt like imploding :scratch_ones_head: there's no doubting its a good system I'm just wondering if we implemented something along the lines of example you start with 1200 and take a hammering and get back to 1200 but are on sequence 5 you completely reset to No 1, you might miss the chance to win but you may continue further down the sequence and bust.
I'm with Kingspin: set a win goal and stop there; otherwise you're asking for trouble.
Nobody responded to my post about the original horse vs. the super horse. You guys are still playing the super, so you must disagree with me. Could you tell me why?
Where is everybody else? I wonder why none of the veterans are weighing in on this. This is as good of a system as I've seen anywhere on the forum.
Sam
Hi birdhands / twister 43 / george/ colin / you might like to try this version of the lucky horse shoe , this is called the black
lucky horse shoe , basically you win more with this black version when the blacks are dominating the game
the original tends to win more when reds are dominating. What I think is if you have had a good
run on the original (I will call it red horse shoe) then maybe try switching to the "black horse shoe"
This actually works just as good as the red but wins more when blacks are streaking hard.
Kingspins Lucky horse shoe "Black Version".
1 chip on single street 4 - 6
1 chip on single street 10 - 12
1 chip on single street 13 - 15
1 chip on single street 19 - 21
1 chip on single street 28 - 30
1 chip on single street 31 - 33
1 chip split on 0/3
1 chip split 8 /11
1 chip split 17/20
1 chip split 26/ 29
1 chip on 0.
Same progression and methods as you use now. I am winning real money on this too.
The 0/3 split makes for big wins and may finish a game off in good profit!
This plays nice actually so far.
Interesting. 11 units, covering more numbers, only +1 on a street, but big wins on 0. Again, I wish we had a mathematician to compare the two (red and black).
Quote from: birdhands on November 27, 2010, 01:15:44 PM
I'm with Kingspin: set a win goal and stop there; otherwise you're asking for trouble.
Nobody responded to my post about the original horse vs. the super horse. You guys are still playing the super, so you must disagree with me. Could you tell me why?
Where is everybody else? I wonder why none of the veterans are weighing in on this. This is as good of a system as I've seen anywhere on the forum.
Sam
I was only seeing how far i could push the testing :) , its not that i don't like the original I've just been testing the super as it seemed to yield profit more easily .
Got to the final 3 this morning, brought my $200 BR down to its last $30, then hit the 0 and slowly climbed back up to $232 and stopped. Would have won more with the black horse.
Played again at a different casino and won another $47. I'm clearing my cookies every 3rd spin as per pacer's advice.
Now that I'm up over $500 total, I'm considering playing a live wheel, american, with a $5 minimum(to avoid the RNG). But really, if the RNG isn't safe then how have I won 12 sessions in a row?
Sam
I must admit I do use RNG a times myself but I all ways find if i get to greedy in one day then it all turns on its head but the same could be said for a live wheel I guess. I've heard a lot of people say RNG lets you win so much then force losses and I gotta admit I'm of the same thought. My best run on a roulette came from the martinagel starting with 2 unit bets within 2 days I had 2k but every 100 a won I went and lost and went and played black jack for 15 min come back make another 100 and do the same who knows maybe I got lucky never tried it since mind.
Two more winning sessions on the red horse this morning. Up +45 and +49.
Sam
Sam,
Which bet scheme and progression are you playing?
George
the original horse shoe, $1 bets, 111,2222,3333, sliding progression, forward on a loss, back on a win, hold on a street win until I accumulate 5 of them, then back one step.
looking forward to trying this tomorrow!
I got crazy this morning- red horse, black horse, betting repeats- no discipline. Almost lost my BR twice, but ended up +125 on three sessions.
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on December 01, 2010, 09:29:15 AM
I got crazy this morning- red horse, black horse, betting repeats- no discipline. Almost lost my BR twice, but ended up +125 on three sessions.
Sam
I'm guessing you mean you didn't follow the progression?
Yes, I strayed from the progression a bit; but I still would have won if I stuck with it (I think).
Quote from: birdhands on December 01, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
Yes, I strayed from the progression a bit; but I still would have won if I stuck with it (I think).
:) fair play I take it your still using RNG?
it's my only option.
made a hundred bucks in 10 minutes today by simply following the classic red horse progression. . . definitely don't wanna jinx this bad puppy. . .
This is another bet I was trying out today , follow same progression and method as red horse shoe but these are different bets. Players can experiment with progressions if need be .
I like this progression for this bet1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 7 8 8 8 8 9 9 9 9 10 1 0 10 1 0
I have been winning more with this bet than any other bet so far. I see very long winning sessions.
1 chip on DS 1-6
1 chip on DS 16 -21
1 chip on DS 28 -33
1 chip on split 9- 12
1 chip on split 10-13
1 chip on split 17 -20
1 chip on split 21 -24
1 chip o split 25 -28
1 chip on split 29 -32
1 chip on 0.
On a ds hit with a loss s then hold the bet level don't move up or down the progression this works better.
This bet is called roulette genie. On any bet that is not a profit move forward 1 step exept for the ds of course where you hold the bet level ,on a new profit reset to start of progression. On a game always walk away with profit.
Still winning real money on the classic horse shoe, 22 sessions to be exact. I wonder if the progression might benefit from a subtle tweak, but otherwise it's great. I'm also considering switching from the 0 to the 32 after 0 hits, or even making the one number chip moveable depending on what's trending, sleeping, etc.
Kingspin, I like the way you think, and your genie is cool, but the -4 loss on dbl streets makes me nervous. How's it playing?
PS I have lost some money, but not playing the horse shoe. I generally lose only when my discipline lapses and I get greedy and/or desperate.
Good luck everybody,
Sam
You don't need to be nervous about the roulette genie bet , I have found it to be for the most part a nice system to play birdhands :)
The genie for me is a better bet than the horse shoe because wins will come faster which makes for enjoyable play.
My first session at dublin bet on the real wheel I made £100 playing with 50p chips and won this with without hardly any progression at all. I have won 12 sessions so far finished all in profit. Not saying some games depend on the progression to win as they some times do, usually I have not gone far past the 3s on the progression to recoup any drawdowns.
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 7 = RECOMMENDED MAX LIMIT 7'S ON PROGRESSION.
My opinion is that the genie for me is a better more enjoyable bet set.
Also the win streaks at times have been amazing!.
I will be playing it at joyland plus some others next week. :)
The 4 loss on the double streets can be absorbed pretty easily because once the splits or 0 start to hit a few times you see often a push back near profit, profit, or break even. I play with 25 pence chips and a £200 bankroll which should suffice mostly. 50p chips and a £400 bank minimum should be ok. Trying to win with say a £50 bankroll on 25p chips is possible but you must quit earlier with much smaller profit to avoid progressive games when they come.
Small bankrolls for the most part are a waste of time as you win less.
Win target = 25p chips = £20 - £25
Win target = 50p chips = £40 - £50.
Remember the longer you push you luck the bigger the bankroll you will need.
With my $1 minimum I don't think I've got the BR to play the genie; but I'm sure glad you're winning.
Quote from: Kingspin on December 05, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
The 4 loss on the double streets can be absorbed pretty easily because once the splits or 0 start to hit a few times you see often a push back near profit, profit, or break even. I play with 25 pence chips and a £200 bankroll which should suffice mostly. 50p chips and a £400 bank minimum should be ok. Trying to win with say a £50 bankroll on 25p chips is possible but you must quit earlier with much smaller profit to avoid progressive games when they come.
Small bankrolls for the most part are a waste of time as you win less.
Win target = 25p chips = £20 - £25
Win target = 50p chips = £40 - £50.
Remember the longer you push you luck the bigger the bankroll you will need.
On practice mode the genie is working well :good: as for the small BR I'll be starting off with £70 when after xmas with 10p unit bets things go right and I hit £200 I'll start with 25p but there is no harm slowly building you bank roll in fact I'd rather loose the £70 (part bonus) finding out something doesn't work rather than £200!
Seems like this horse shoe method is working out well, and I was wondering how to implement a good horse shoe method for American wheel.
I guess we would be putting 2units on split zeros, but then it goes -1unit instead of breakaven lots of times.
I have no European wheels out here, the only European wheels are rng computer wheels.
warm regards,
Bob
Quote from: foreverBOB on December 06, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
Seems like this horse shoe method is working out well, and I was wondering how to implement a good horse shoe method for American wheel.
I guess we would be putting 2units on split zeros, but then it goes -1unit instead of breakaven lots of times.
I have no European wheels out here, the only European wheels are rng computer wheels.
warm regards,
Bob
what's the minimum you can go? if you using say $1 you could do 50cent on both zero's you would just have to accept it would take longer to recoup.
Bob,
Here's what I would do:
1 chip on single street 1 -3
1 chip on single street 7 - 9
1 chip on single street 16 -18
1 chip on single street 19 -21
1 chip on single street 25 - 27
1 chip on single street 34- 36
1 chip on split 9 -12
1 chip on split 18 -21
1 chip on split 27- 30
1 chip on 0.
1 chip on 00.
OR 2 chips split 0/00.
This way you still make 1 unit on a street hit.
Sam
just did a 1 hour session with the genie on joyland +100. :)
Another good run today i am now at + 300
Quote from: Kingspin on December 07, 2010, 12:25:47 AM
just did a 1 hour session with the genie on joyland +100. :)
Another good run today I am now at + 300
Nice to hear kingspin, I'm testig this now more than the red horse shoe with good results :good:
The genie tends to loose generally when blacks are hitting hard, was up 470 today , just lost 60 because a long string of blacks hit.
thanks for the american wheel approach,
testing it
Bob
Well I finally busted on the 11122223333 progression. Lost $230. Ouch. Had to happen sometime.
Quote from: birdhands on December 08, 2010, 11:46:45 AM
Well I finally busted on the 11122223333 progression. Lost $230. Ouch. Had to happen sometime.
Just out of interest did you play until the final progression or bust out due to lack of funds?
My progression ends at the 4th 3.
Have you had enough wins to still show a profit after that bust? sorry to hear
I won $1050, then busted one progression ($230), leaving me at $820.
good to hear you're still in the positives! What type of the horseshoe did you use?? and with your progression (11122223333) do you go up 1 on a loss and down 1 on a win? I'm thinking of trying this method out, I would have to use an American wheel though
I think earlier on in the thread Birdhands mentioned he went up one on a loss down on a win on the splits or 0 and stayed on a street. I have have tried this version on the progression on practice runs and found it can work but it can also put you in a hole quicker then sliding down on a street win. Just out of interest Birdhands what was your starting BR?
Really you won over a grand playing 25c chips , that has to be the luckiest player on the planet ;D
@KIngspin
Yes I won over a grand; but I was playing $1 chips.
@Twister
I don't know what you mean by my BR. Do you mean the amount allotted for one session, or my total BR?
I haven't played since my loss because I'm too scared now. Roulette is intense. The greed and compulsiveness are always trying to get the best of me. I need to relax for a while before I start again. Right now I'm just playing practice and trying to precognate the number. You can laugh if you want, but the meditation part is just what I need right now.
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on December 13, 2010, 11:32:06 AM
@KIngspin
Yes I won over a grand; but I was playing $1 chips.
@Twister
I don't know what you mean by my BR. Do you mean the amount allotted for one session, or my total BR?
I haven't played since my loss because I'm too scared now. Roulette is intense. The greed and compulsiveness are always trying to get the best of me. I need to relax for a while before I start again. Right now I'm just playing practice and trying to precognate the number. You can laugh if you want, but the meditation part is just what I need right now.
Sam
Bank Roll per session I guess haha and I know what you mean about having a break I've not played roulette for money for awhile (mainl because of xmas) but I get so wrapped up in it when playing!
Well you guys were all right about the RNG; after 21 straight winning sessions and nearly $1100.00 I'm back down to $147. Losing session after losing session. I must have flipped a switch in the software or caught someone's attention after all those wins because now I can't win a dime, no matter what I do. I wish I had either switched to an online live wheel or just withdrawn my money and gone on with my life. What a lowdown cryin' shame. Merry Christmas.
Sam
After 3 losses in a row it`s time to go. :ok:
Before winning one thousand Dollars one must first learn NOT to lose One thousand Dollars.
It is NOt how much one wins--- it is how little ones loses.
N.D.
oy my heart hurts for you sammy. . . partly because i can relate all too terribly well. . .
Thanks bro. Sorry about all the bad advice. We should have gone straight to the live online wheel. I'm not giving up yet; I'll take my $150 to that $5 min double zero live wheel and see what I can grind out.
Hi, found this method yesterday and watched some spins on live wheel, then gave it ago. Just played a few spins twice and I am up £60. Do not want to push it too much, just want to build up my bank. Thank you Kingpin.
Tony
Hi everyone, I've been lurking for quite a while and testing this system and I thought I'd create a profile so I could add to this conversation. My experience so far with Kingspins Lucky Horseshoe is that this one is outstanding. It has rules and yet is flexible enough to add to it and I like that. Here's how I've been playing, and I'll list my results below.
I play the American Wheel 00 with the suggested bet placement that Birdhands recommended to a reader a few pages ago.
1 chip on single street 1 -3
1 chip on single street 7 - 9
1 chip on single street 16 -18
1 chip on single street 19 -21
1 chip on single street 25 - 27
1 chip on single street 34- 36
1 chip on split 9 -12
1 chip on split 18 -21
1 chip on split 27- 30
1 chip on 0.
1 chip on 00.
My progression of choice is:
1112222333344445555666677778888
I slide to the right on a loss, to the left on a win, and stay on a street hit. Once I move from one level to the next, I remain at that level until I see a new high profit and then return to level 1-1 (1 unit, 1st bet).
My results:
Session Profit Max Level Drawdown
1 $1 $141. 00 2-4 ?
2 $1 $115. 00 2-4 ?
3 $1 $79. 00 2-3 -60
4 $1 $56. 00 2-1 -60
5 $1 $127. 00 4-1 -210
6 $1 $48. 00 2-2 -75
7 $1 $110. 00 8-3 -866
These are all LIVE IN PERSON (brick and mortar) CASINO WINNINGS on American Wheels with $1 units. My last session lasted for hours and hours and I just barely recovered into profit. In the future I'll limit my progression to end after step 5-4. (5 units, 4th step), or limit my winnings to 100-150 units and not be greedy (I was up to +176 before I started my huge drawdown during the last session).
Hope this helps for anyone looking for a 00 Wheel strategy. I'll keep you all posted on my future results. Thanks Kingspin for this awesome system and special thanks to Birdhands for the American Wheel bet placement!
-Chris
Congrats Chris, glad to hear the horse shoe is still getting some play. I found a live wheel with $1 bets, so I'll probably be playing again soon, too. So you think putting $1 on each green (0 and 00) is better than one chip split between them?
Sam
Quote from: birdhands link=topic=17428. msg125348#msg125348 date=1294402941
Congrats Chris, glad to hear the horse shoe is still getting some play. I found a live wheel with $1 bets, so I'll probably be playing again soon, too. So you think putting $1 on each green (0 and 00) is better than one chip split between them?
Sam
It is much more profitable to put 1 chip on a 0 and 1 on 00 instead of playing the split because a split will pay 17-1 (which is 34-1 per number) and a playing the number will pay 35-1. So your making an extra $1 per win.
I don't think so. It's the same either way because if you bet separately you lose the chips on the other 0.
My question was about how many chips to allot for the zeros in general as part of the overall betting scheme.
To all with all the respect to the founder of this system,
This system has been tested to its extreme and demonstrated short & long run failures.
The system was executed at several Casino in Atlantic City New Jersey.
A friend of my who is living in Las Vegas tried it and got similar results.
I also ran it on RNG and ONLINE roulette casinos, bad results.
The system should downgraded from 5 to a single star!!!
Regards,
John
Quote from: jrhelp007 link=topic=17428. msg125548#msg125548 date=1294857629
To all with all the respect to the founder of this system,
This system has been tested to its extreme and demonstrated short & long run failures.
The system was executed at several Casino in Atlantic City New Jersey.
A friend of my who is living in Las Vegas tried it and got similar results.
I also ran it on RNG and ONLINE roulette casinos, bad results.
The system should downgraded from 5 to a single star!!!
Regards,
John
What mod of the system have you tested with? What progresson did you use? There are 3-4 different progressons here and 3 or 4 different system mods. Which one have you tested? You can't just say something doesn't work then provide no results or information that backs up your claim.
Birdhands, I've been playing with two units split on the zeroes. Betting 11 units total per spin, so I still profit a little bit on a street. Still seeing good results. I'll post some later tonight.
This is what I am sure is a better bet than the other horse shoe bets posted. This is the golden horse shoe .
Bankroll should be about £150 to play with 10p chips.
1 CHIP ON DOUBLE STREET 4 -9
1 CHIP ON DOUBLE STREET 16 -21.
1 CHIP ON DOUBLE STREET 28 - 33
1 CHIP SPLIT 9 -12
1 CHIP SPLIT 8 -11
1 CHIP SPLIT 7 -10
1 CHIP SPLIT 21 -24
1 CHIP SPLIT 20 -23
1 CHIP SPLIT 19 -22
1 CHIP SPLIT 33 -36
1 CHIP SPLIT 32 -35
1 CHIP SPLIT 31 -34
1 CHIP SPLIT 0 -2.
The way I play this method is simple , double the bets if you get 3 consecutive bets that are not profit bets.
QUIT WHILE AHEAD.
I was playing this but whats the best progression for the methode sometimes it doesnt hit for three rounds or so.
Quote from: Post on January 19, 2011, 11:30:27 AM
I was playing this but whats the best progression for the methode sometimes it doesn't hit for three rounds or so.
As Kingspin says above, just double your bets if lost 3
I played the golden horse shoe at ten rng casino's and walked away with profit every time , win streaks can be fantastic with this bet and i walk away with the profit after a nice streak , you just have to be greedy as hell to loose with this bet i promise. Losses on each spin are either a complete loss on the bet (CL) eg number 14 is a CL.
oR a partial loss bet is eg number 4 (PL) partial loss.
Say we get pl pl cl then we double all the chips and play till we hit a new profit. Mostly you will hit a new profit by doubling no more than 2 times. I tested this as a flat bet and it held up better than the other horse shoe bets.
The doubling method seems to work pretty good here . :thumbsup:
I still dont unerstand you say after 3 loses double, do you mean just 3 bets or 3 times the whole bettingselection because I had that and at first I was +50 or somthing and then bad luck - 150 after not winning any bet
If three bets lose or 3 spins which ever you want to call it ,then double all of the chips. Remember though you can only double the chips if 3 consecutive spins lose cl or pl. The key to win big with this bet is to reset back to original chip value if you even only show slight profit on the martingale (doubles).
I only lose with this bet when I go into the frenzy of greedy mode . ;D
This bet method is one of my favourites.
Just won another 100 chips earlier tonight with the golden horseshoe. :)
I have won all on rng too which is pretty amazing , not tried the bet on a mechanical wheel yet though but my guess is you will be sat playing with a sore arse due to very very long sessions.
just a question you called for exampel if 4 hits its a partial loss but the profit is the 36 and the bet is 28 so thats no loss is it ?
hi kingspins,
im a little confuse, which system works best and which progression works best, there is so much detail as im staring to dout the system, i havent play it but am very interested.
if the first system work fine but you had to wait and only made bets when you win to ride the wave then why change it.
what is the best way to play the system and whats the best or safest progression, i play rng online and i dont believe rng is rigg well not at first. but in saying that the longer you play the sooner you are going to hit trouble.
what system do i play and what bets do i make and what progression do i use?
sorry to be a pain but i have no idea which is the best, i dont mined taking my time as long as it wins on a short session (say 100 spins, i never play for profit only spins).any advice would be much appreciated.
Hi darrynf. From my personal testing, you should use the last one that Kingspins posted. I think he called it the "Golden Horseshoe" in reply 127. Use that one.
This horse shoe is one that has made profit this one I will call "king horse shoe" A black winner.
Kingspins Kinghorse Shoe.
1 CHIP 0/2 SPLIT
1 CHIP 1/4 SPLIT
1 CHIP SINGLE STREET 4 TO 6
1 CHIP SPLIT 8/11
1 CHIP 17/20 SPLIT
1 CHIP 10/13 SPLIT
1 CHIP SINGLE STREET 13 TO 15
1 CHIP 21/24 SPLIT
1 CHIP SINGLE STREET 22 TO 24
1 CHIP SPLIT 26/29
1 CHIP SINGLE STREET 28 TO 30
1 CHIP SPLIT 28/31
1 CHIP SINGLE STREET 31 TO 33.
(13 CHIPS TOTAL)
The progression is a sliding progression 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5. Go back 1 step on a win forward 1 step on a loss. Reset back to the very first number 1 on the progression once you get a new profit. A single street hit without a split hit only looses 1 chip so don't move forward or back ward on one of these hits.
Kingspins - I gotta say I LOVE your horse shoes! I don't know how this topic has flown "under the radar" but all of your horseshoes have been serious money makers for me! It's right up there with the G.U.T. as far as my wallet is concerned. Thanks for posting!