I don't need my own section but a thread will do just fine. I won't be posting methods etc. here. Just my thoughts on roulette as I think of them. Maybe things I have seen at the casino or certain situations etc.
Ken
Something I see/hear a lot while playing....."lets keep playing until all of my chips are gone". (WTF?)
Yep, quite confusing to me. If someone needs to go home or head out on a dinner date etc. whatever the case may be. Their *GOAL* is simply to lose it all, then leave!! That's the goal. Some bettors won't even hide this idea. They come out and say it, they admit it. ???
Ken
LOL.
That's really funny. :biggrin:
(I hope you don't mind the comments, if you do I'll remove it)
No, of course not.
I have visited Roulette 30.I discovered many new systems.The forum was all so interested.Looking for the HG which doesnot insist.My Shoeshineboy principle is on that site unknown even so the difference between a strategy and a system or method . In my opinion a strategy ground on statistic-rules is the only winner.
I use to post there but when the owner takes no part on his own site, I'm done.
Ken
I think my days of large wins as a GOAL is coming to an end. That does NOT mean I can't. 2K takes around 9 hours and its always up, down, up, down. Plus $400 and out the door, the large BR stays the same. I'm happy with $400.
Ken
**********I'm happy with $400.*******************
I would be happy with $20!
I only play a 2-4 numbers and $15-$40 per number, so $400 NET is not too difficult. I dont do the betting on 22 numbers thing.
Ken
I was playing a couple days ago, I did ok at best. Only made a few bucks, not a good day.
Anyways, you guys ever keep an eye on a different method you might of played at a different time? One method I play alot.....I keep track of the last 15 numbers that have hit, I bet on any number with two (or more) hits. Very simple, easy, nothing complicated about it.
If I was playing that, I would of easily walked out with 4K net, no question about it. Kind of pisses me off.
Ken
I really like this simple system. :) So, iyo is it always the best to K. I. S. S. ? The simpler ways are the easiest to test and stick to in practice. .
If you want to share, how many spins you find best to leave the chips down if no win yet?
How long? When there is no longer TWO of the same number within the last 15 spins.
For example, lets say you were betting on the 28.....it had two hits on it. Keep betting on the 28 until there is only ONE 28 left within the last 15. There are times you might only bet on a number for one spin.
Lets say a 14 just hit, you check your last 15 numbers and you see a 14 ready to be dropped, its in the 15th spot. Next spin is a 33 and the 14 is now dropped, you bet on it for just one spin.
In rare cases, you may briefly be betting on 5 numbers at once, it does happen.
Ken
OK, great, thanks. Did a big test using this idea, but I was dropping that particular no. that showed twice in 15 spins if it doesn't hit for 7 spins. . . even if there are still 2 in the last 15. it worked out well. . but I will have a bit of a play around with this. .
Delune Playing on numbers is more dangerous.You must have a lot of experience to become a good skill.For ECs and dozens the strategies are more simply.Also the EV is smaller.
For numbers you must study at least the past 37 numbers.The whole cycle shows the features of the numbers, such as relative cold and hot numbers,the repeaters ,the repeaters in a row,etc..These strategies are only for experience players.
Thanks schoenposter. . I absolutely can see the risk with this, some of crazy swings. I can also see the appeal and benefit, but you are right, probably not a method for a beginner like myself ;)
Living here in the U.S., I notice different things they do over seas, like at DublinBet.
When the dealer pays the outside wins, the player is allowed to take his winnings before the marker comes off. Here? You'll get your hand cut off. Joking but no chips on the layout are allowed to be touched until the marker is removed.
I even saw players placing bets while the marker is still on. :girl_wacko:
Ken
I am in favor of the rules which are being applied in the US Casinos. But I have seenas well as experienced that the European B & M casinos do apply those same standard rules .
Only dorks pick up the winnings while the marker is still up. Those cats better learn the casino etiquette.YES Virginia there is such a thing as casino etiquette. Every hick should know this before entering a casino .
Nathan Detroit
I was on DublinBet again today (practice mode). I saw a couple of the ladies with their purse next to the layout. :nono:
No fricken way, here in the U.S. No cell phone, no pack of smokes, no lighter, no purse. They dont even let me keep my pen/pencil on the table (at least here).
Ken
This " NOTHING" on the table depends upon the casino where you play. At TurningStone in one section they don`t allow anything on the table whereas in another part of the casino they don`t mind.
Then in Atlantic City at the Trump Taj Mahal there was this cat who made himself comfortable at seat number ONE with an 8 1/2 x 10graph note book on the table with all different types of street or dbl street bets. .Not to forget to mention the cup of coffee also on the table .
N.D.
I'm sure its different all over. Here, in terms of a beverage. You can have anything but it MUST be in a beverage holder. There are times I hide my pen behind my chips. It does look kind of funny.
Ken
To this date I have never seen any sign that says DO NOT place any objects on the roulette table. It appears to be just a nonexisting rule with which the dealers like to excercise their power with. :diablo:
Here (Ontario, Canada) you can also take your outside chips as soon as all outside bets are paid.
You can also place new bets before the inside bets are paid as long as your new bets are not in the same dozen.
Ron.
What?? So lets say the marker is still on the 12. You can place chips on the 15?
Ken
I am living in Zandvoort with the oldest legal casino of the Netherlands.I only play the roulette and I know all croupiers.It is a very friendly casino,special the tablegames corner.As long the marker (dolly) is on the number it is not allowed to withdraw or place the bets on the inside chances.It is allowed to withdraw your bets from the outside bets after the paying out.On the outside bets the dealer doesnot ask who is the owner.On the outside bets the players use mostly cash units not color units. I do not bet on repeaters.I withdraw allways my winning bets.
One thing I feel I am 100% correct on is a NICE SIZE bankroll. Not real sure if there's such a thing as 'too much' but I sure as heck know, you can have too little. You should not walk into the casino with $300, sorry. You need to have enough for the DROP (if there is one) and then hopefully the climb back up comes soon after. $300 is not gonna cut it, in my opinion.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on May 01, 2011, 10:06:33 PM
What?? So lets say the marker is still on the 12. You can place chips on the 15?
Ken
I believe so, but I'll have to pay more attention to the exact distance on my next trip. I don't do it myself.
Ron.
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
Ken
This is driving me nuts......do you get idiot dealers that shout out a specific NAME of a person when a certain number hits? Its usually a sports figure. Every damn time the 23 hits, almost all the dealers (at least here) say...Michael Jordan!!
Shut up please, I dont give a s**t.
Ken
it might get like bingo. legs eleven
I'm not saying 'where' I got my opinion (its not that important) but it blows my mind how FEW people play at a B&M casino.
I'll give an example: Years ago when the casino was built here in my town, it only had 3 games, no roulette. The closest for roulette was an hour, 45 minutes. The U.S. law back then, we could still gamble online.
I STILL CHOSE to make the drive. I just dont get the online attraction. DublinBet, I can understand.
Ken
bankrolls. i play on the one dollar table. my 100 chips is equal to 500 on the five dollar table./ and so on.
Quote from: Mr J on May 14, 2011, 11:52:43 PM
One thing I feel I am 100% correct on is a NICE SIZE bankroll. Not real sure if there's such a thing as 'too much' but I sure as heck know, you can have too little. You should not walk into the casino with $300, sorry. You need to have enough for the DROP (if there is one) and then hopefully the climb back up comes soon after. $300 is not gonna cut it, in my opinion.
Ken
At a $ 25 table minimum the proper banlroll should be $ 2 , 250.00.
At some casinos with $ 3 table minimum a $ 300 bankroll is sufficient.
A good rule of the thumb is to multiply the average bet by 20 for a comfortable bankroll again multiplied by 3.
The win goal decreases in proportion to the higher bankrolls ( $ 3, 000.-- and above )
N.D.
Who else does this? (I dont) >> You're at a busy table. A couple of guys bet on the same number and the entire damn table starts piling chips on that same number. Why? I guess it looks cooler if everone gets paid. They have no real reason to bet on THAT number but the taller the stack with all the pretty colors, looks NEAT. :girl_wacko:
No thanks, not for me.
Ken
These are 8 steps that IN MY OPINION, are the keys to this here game known as roulette >>
A) Betting 2-4 numbers max.
B) No betting COLD numbers (due).
C) A high BR (a nice cushion for losses).
D) Discipline/patience/knowing when to quit for the day.
E) Flat betting, very few progressions these days.
F) Stay sharp and always willing to learn new things.
G) Don't listen to the...'you can't win' crowd. Usually those guys are the SAME guys that also do NOT win and they want to bring you down with THEM. Misery loves company.
H) Be creative and think outside the box. The goofier the idea for a winning method, the more likely it'll produce NICE PROFITS. You can NOT think like everyone else !!!!!
Ken
I find this interesting......I usually bet only two numbers. How do I know I have a pretty good method? The obvious, I leave with more money than I walked in with but thats not all.
I cant tell you the number of times that ball ends up NEXT to my bet number. Yes I know, a loss is a loss regardless of how close it is. Its different for the guys that bet 24 numbers per, you're almost always gonna be next to one of your numbers on a loss, so its not that unusual.
I take note of everything. My 'decent' two number methods that have lasted for MANY MONTHS, I get quite a few misses NEXT to my bet numbers. The 'lousy' two number methods that I end up never playing again, yep, I get FEW misses next to my bet numbers.
Coincidence? I say NO but its only my opinion.
Ken
Ken,
Are you tyring to overtake Chistian Kaisan, the German " wheelwatcher"? He has narrowed it down to ONE number !
According to Kelly he and his son have been banned by some british casinos.
When this cat bets he bets high. His bankroll is in the hundreds of thousands of Euros.
Here find an interview with Kaisan . It`s not in the best English translation as the interview was given in German,. :
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/interview-with-christian-kaisan/msg4629/?PHPSESSID=3292e8ff70e5d711079b558944e2c075 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/interview-with-christian-kaisan/msg4629/?PHPSESSID=3292e8ff70e5d711079b558944e2c075)
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Honestly.......only a couple numbers guys, perhaps even ONE? Its the way to go. 'F' this 12 or 24 numbers BS.
Ken
What I find funny and inconsistent >> When I get a nice win from a single number, I'll usually take that bet off (for other reasons). Lets say that number hits again back to back. The dealer and some players will say, "you never take off a winning bet". (they say it while mildly laughing)
Lets say that number did NOT hit back to back. How come I then do NOT hear, "that was a smart move taking your chips off that number".
Ken
I agree.I always take my winning units back. The problem on a real table is that for the insidebets you have to wait till the dealer have payed all winning bets.
What's your call on this guys? >> A couple days ago I was playing Auto Roulette at my local casino here. There are only 8 seats and it can take a while to get a spot. This lady next to me, cashes out and takes a NOTE out of her purse (with tape already on it). She tapes it onto the screen......it says 'OUT OF ORDER'.
She needed to use the bathroom (lol). She comes back maybe 8 minutes later, takes the note off and starts playing again. Was this correct to do?
Ken
Now that's funny ;D
I have seen people put the little cards on the slot machines which I can understand but what difference is her roulette machine to anybody elses. Maybe she even has a 'pet' name for it, lol.
It's a catch 22 situation really,
we all have to answer the call of nature but at the same time very frustrating if your waiting to play.
If the signs are provided by the casino fair enough,
but personally I thinks its wrong that she pulled her own sign out of her purse,
as it was her own and not the casino's If you had ripped it off and sat down and played I think the casino would have been on your side as it was not there sign.
Well thats my view,
Dave.
The second she got up and left i would of ripped it up for sure.
Quote from: John Gold on November 01, 2011, 07:13:58 AM
Now that's funny ;D
I have seen people put the little cards on the slot machines which I can understand but what difference is her roulette machine to anybody elses. Maybe she even has a 'pet' name for it, lol.
The issue is, her seat would be vacant for maybe a minute. There are only 8 and they get filled FAST.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on November 01, 2011, 03:28:23 PM
The issue is, her seat would be vacant for maybe a minute. There are only 8 and they get filled FAST.
That your local town auto roulette is always crowded is good news Ken. Why? Because if you are playing alone against the wheel (call it electronic device no matter it has the appearence of a real roulette) you would be lucky to win
IF it is on the " pay bets mood ". When the machine is on the "make money mood" all your bets are bound to be losers.
In this case you are playing against the machine but when all seats or almost all seats are occupied then you are playing against the other gamblers.
I know what im talking because I've got a friend working in one of these little casinos around my place (a touristic area) with a 8 seats MGM Interlock autoroulette, single 0 as it is in Europe.
My friend jokes about taking its electronic device out of the machine and fix it to a laptop and one could go on playing the game exactly the same.
Controlling wheel speed and/or air force the electronic device can pretty accuratly narrow the hit on a gap of very few pockets dodging this way those inside bets heavily staked. Keeping a low profile should be a must to succeed with this type of roulettes.
Any doubts about what I claim above?
Cheers,
Carlos.
carpanta,
Your post manifests again my belief in a roulette table staffed by a live croupier at a reputable B & M casino even if the table min are atleast $ 5 or $ 10 . Therefore ones bankroll should be adjusted accordingly
On several occasions I have personally observed that those wheels as well as the level of those tables are being checked for accuracy on a daily basis.
None of the current 11 Atlantic City casinos has any airball roulette on their premises.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Sure Nathan. I agree 100% with your judgement favoring B&M casino roulettes managed by a dealer on a fair play basis.
Thus randomness is granted.
All the same, one way or another, online gambling should be regarded under a magnifying glass because cameras, wheels or whatever is involved in the game could be manipulated.
Greed is not only gambler's sin but also online casino managing staff's.
Cheers,
Carlos.
The WORST of the roulette machines are the "VEGAS STAR Roulette " by Shufflemaster . They are programmed monsters sucking from your pockets the last dime. They usually have a minimum of $ 2 and on weekends /holidays go up to atleast $ 5.
Those monsters thinly disguised as the real thing with about 12 seating arrangements at each section are usually found at Racinos which feature VLT slot and video poker machines ( VLT= Video Lottery Terminal) .
BEWARE of ever going into any of those Racinos. They are not the only culprits . Some Indian Casino intermingle those VLT( class II ) and regular Class III machines within their casino. :diablo:
Caveat Emptor !!!
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I am familiar with the racinos as I am watching and sometimes betting on the harness races there.
A couple of quick points on my blog >>
A) I was playing a couple days ago and this guy was really bugging me !!! We sat near the end, by the column bets. For EVERY spin (5 hours) the guy would get up and go watch the wheel, FOR 5 HOURS! At minimum, you could stand up and see the action, do you really need to be NEXT to the wheel? (lol)
B) QUESTION: Are you as goofy as me? Do you ever find yourself rooting AGAINST another player, not to hit? Some guy who bets a black chip.....I want the guy not to hit, yeah, I'm a jerk.
C) The people who stand and watch for hours. WHY? Are you that damn bored? No, they are not jotting down numbers and NO, they are not looking for a bias wheel (cough). They watch me, they watch the wheel, they watch me, they watch the wheel, they watch me, they watch the wheel etc. Very annoying.
Ken
I wanted to add something. You ever get a rookie player sitting next to you and he asks what your chips are worth?
I say nickels ($5) and he literally thinks I mean 5 cents. :laugh:
Ken
its all in the mind.most people think about themselves all the time.
I wasn't gonna post it but I cant hold it in. Last week, I had my BEST day (net) at the casino. Before you say no way Ken, keep in mind......only ONE number played, $100 per number, every spin was a bet, I played for 7 hours.
18K !!!!!!
Remember, every hit is $3,500. My BR walking in was 16K (also a record). How I do it >> each stack is 20 chips, 2K. At home, I did stacks of 2K and kept each one in a paperclip. This way, its EASY to know how much I am up or down, I just count the paperclips. Old school maybe but it works.
SIDENOTE: for the rookie players. If your method at the casino requires many hours of play, you must (or should) also devote that many hours at home with practicing......it has to be a REAL SITUATION as if you were at the casino. If your method requires quite a few hours to play, for God sakes, dont go if you only have two hours to kill. Yesterday for example, I tested a method on DublinBet (fake money) for 8 hours!!
Ken
I just thought of this in regards to Snowman/Herb, just in case he thinks he'll jump on me regarding paying taxes. I paid ZERO tax, I got around that in a way that I will not post. If a 100% trusted member here wanted to know, PM me and I'll share the info.
Ken
Congratulations Ken!
It is always good news to hear of nice wins like that.
Make sure you treat youself to something good like a cruise or something. Heck, you are not missing anything, they have casinos on board. Watch out for that 'tilted wheel' if things get a bit choppy. ;D
Funny you mention that. Even though I LAUGH at the tilted wheel theory, I wonder if out at sea, there could be one??
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on November 26, 2011, 04:59:19 PMonly ONE number played, $100 per number
Did you ever get tempted to raise your bet after a win, like betting $200 for 10 spins? And did you play the same number all the time or were you choosing a high repeating number?
I've tried playing one number a few times and didn't make it. Two numbers is a safer bet for me. Nice win by the way :thumbsup:
Quote from: Ulysses on November 26, 2011, 05:43:09 PM
Did you ever get tempted to raise your bet after a win, like betting $200 for 10 spins? And did you play the same number all the time or were you choosing a high repeating number?
I've tried playing one number a few times and didn't make it. Two numbers is a safer bet for me. Nice win by the way :thumbsup:
$100 is our max here. I do agree, betting 2 numbers are my favorite methods!! I kept track of the last 23 hit numbers. (23 max.) Betting the number with the most hits (temporarily hot), simple and boring. What about a tie? Whatever number will DROP from the 23 last, thats the one I bet.
Ken
Another thing, by DEFINITION, I used gamblers fallacy for this. The AP loons say that even if you use ONE past number, you are doomed for failure. Well this I know, only a few numbers will hit more than they should (in 'X' number of spins) and MANY will not hit at all OR hit under the expectation. I find that INFORMATION to be quite useful and in this case, a money maker. Gamblers fallacy? Thats fine by me. :dance1:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on November 26, 2011, 06:32:53 PMBetting the number with the most hits (temporarily hot), simple and boring.
Yeah I do this too. Boring but worth it.
Quote from: Ulysses on November 27, 2011, 12:24:47 PM
Yeah I do this too. Boring but worth it.
I think that betting more numbers = more excitement, thats why they do it.
Ken
Christmas plans for Ken? The usual, the 24th and 25th....testing all day long, I LOVE IT !! Around 28 hours for both days. :dance1:
Ken
That's how I roll too! :)
2am here, still testing !!
Ken
You are joking, right ? An everyday roulette winner spending family time testing ???
"You are joking, right ? An everyday roulette winner spending family time testing" >>>
A) Merry Christmas to you too Kelly
B) When did I say I win everyday? I'll be waiting for that answer
C) I have no family
D) I post EVERY year, I do a ton of testing on Christmas
Ken
Ah well, thats just the impression you give. 4,5 years and counting and so forth, you will have to bump up this thread as you did on GG (or still do) until you get an answer.
No family (no friends either ?) all alone on Christmas eve testing roulette systems. Frankly im close to tears now.
Merry Christmas and i mean that.
I thought 'you guys' gave up with HOPING I delete certain posts, like your last one? Nope, no foul language in it, no issues. As much as I cant stand you, I'm not bias in regards to deleting. I just assumed all mods at all boards are like that, Hmmmm. :sarcastic:
"you will have to bump up this thread as you did on GG" >>> Its real simple, they will stop getting 'bumped' when my questions get answered. Seems FAIR to me.
Ken
It might seem fair to you but think about the rest of the innocent readers you take hostage, who dont really give a shit about your issues who clicks on the threads because they think there is something new. Just to find a stupid repeat post. Its one sure way to kill a board and avoid people ever clicking on your threads, let alone GG after a while.
"Its one sure way to kill a board" >>> I think everyone who is non-bias knows why GG died. Your buddy and Brian.
Ken
Those 2 have their part of it because:
1. Snow let you drag him down to your level by responding,
2. Brian let you hijack the board.
Do us all a favour and set up your own board where you 2 can continue whatever it is you are doing. After all, you are for some reason not doing it on other moderated boards, so i asume you are just doing it because you know you wont get banned there. Just had a quick look there and nothing has changed. Not even the posts,just new dates.
Quote from: Kelly on December 25, 2011, 02:31:07 PMon Christmas eve testing roulette systems. Frankly im close to tears now.
Thats what I do every day, even Christmas. Kelly,
you have no idea whats its like to win more than
you lose, so why would you be practicing or testing.
You gave up years ago.
Pretty pathetic and unsocial if you ask me. I was only handtesting systems for 1 or 2 years until i realised i could make a machine do the exact same thing with the exact same numbers in 5 seconds. Without any faults. And a lot more sessions. That you guys are at step one handtesting on christmas eve is honestly bringing a small tear to my eye. If you at least had taken it out to make some money for the family, i could have somehow understood if you had brought them out too and had a good night out.
But handtesting systems on christmas eve...........holy cr...... do you then play World of Warcraft when you need a break from the numbers ?
Those 2 have their part of it because:
1. Snow let you drag him down to your level by responding,
2. Brian let you hijack the board. >>>
1) Right til the end, you'll defend that nutjob. If you're a true friend, you would assist Snowman with getting some help for his ISSUES in life.
2) Brian did not 'let me' do a thing. The guy is MIA. If he took a serious interest in his board, Snowman would be GONE and everybody knows this.
Ken
I followed your tirades in the beginning and it was 5 posts from you then 1 from snow, then 5 from you and 1 from snow. Now who would you say is seeking the attention/confrontation ? Is he stalking you or you him ?
Never mind, enjoy your christmas paper winnings. Don`t tell me you didn`t came out in profit, after all, you can always change the rules and run the numbers again until you go to bed happy. 4,5 years and still counting....yeah i bet.
Lets try this again Kelly, you seem a bit 'off' or something. ;D If Snowjob is gonna post trash like....."Ken said he has the holy grail".
Thats FINE (well, we know I never said that) but SHOW us all WHERE it was said. Until he shows it, of course I'm gonna CONTINUE to ask for it. His plan......is that I'll just forget about it and we'll all move on. :haha:
I ask SIMPLE questions to the guy but he forgets I'm damn good at painting a person into a corner......he knows that MANY of his posts are BS and I WILL make him suffer for it........10+ years if need be.
Its other little things like......."AP players have more education".
Ok, show us WHERE those FACTS are. He demands proof from other people on certain subjects but shows NOTHING on his end but hey, thats your buddy. :girl_wacko:
Ken
A quick comment on my blog. I absolutely endorse using a positive progression. For quite some time now, I have been playing a few 2 number methods, in 16 spin sessions. If I get a win ANYWHERE in the 16......for the next session, up one unit on each number.
On a loss, DOWN two units (not one) on each of the two numbers etc. Works like a charm IMO. If you get on a nice win streak, up and up your unit size goes until you reach your 20% win goal (go home). If you get on a losing streak, the unit sizes will drop MUCH faster (-2).
Ken
This was tricky on part of the casino but I thought it was kind of cool. I was playing the other day, sitting at the end, 34, 35, 36.
The 32 hit and while the dealer was pulling away the losing chips, the guy next to me slides a green ($25) on to 32/35 split. I admit he was fast but still an idiot. Right away, the dealer says....no way that green was there. He told floor about it and they called to have it checked. The interesting part, a couple minutes later, pit comes over and tells the guy.....sorry, but you placed your chip too late and gives him his green back.
This of course was a lie. They tell him that so he doesn't run out of the building. Sure as heck, around three minutes later, standing behind us are 3 guards and 1 plain clothes security guy. They let him cash out whatever chips he had, took down all his personal information, told him to look up at the camera (picture) and escorted him out the door. What an idiot, all for $425 and its the only casino in town.
Ken
Moron or Idiot, what do you prefer??? :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
This is kind of funny, I thought I'd pass it along. Once a month I get a magazine sent to me from the local casino. It has the usual winning stories etc. It also has a horoscope for everyone, depending on when you were born. At the end of the horoscope, you get your 4 LUCKY numbers. Why is it, those numbers are NEVER higher than 36? (lol)
Ken
I wish there was a rule!! >> Everyone gets 5 seconds to lay your bets and thats it, ball is spun. I am sick and tired of WAITING on everyone else. Stacks and stacks and stacks of dollar chips on 25 different numbers. I'm done betting in under 5 seconds, no lie. Why do I have to WAIT for all others? (lol)
Then, if there is a hit on one of those stacks plus the splits etc.......thats another four minutes of WAITING. I'm just venting a bit I guess.
Ken
This is too good not to post. I was playing today, this guy next to me has a $25 chip on the #17. It hits but is just BARELY touching the #14 line. Rules are rules I guess, they paid him for the split. An hour later, a lady was also playing.
She had a $25 chip on the #35 (it was barely touching the #36). Sure as heck, the #36 hits and they would not pay her for the split. She complained but lost out. Its kind of odd, which ever situation benefits the casino MOST, thats the route they take.
Ken
Apparently the goofs are in every country, not just the U.S.
I'm watching this guy at DublinBet (table 1) betting on 30 numbers every spin.....(lol)
Ken
G'day Ken,
I was just over at GG2 having a laugh at 'Them'.
Glenn.
I dont want to drag that mess over on this fine forum but YEP....attack me and its perfectly alright. There should be at least 5 others with a ban. I said two bad words (with the **** thing) and I get 7 days off. (lol)
No moderating over there whats so ever. At any normal board, if you are attacking someone 24/7, the thread would either get locked or deleted with a few strong warnings to members......hey, cool off guys.
Ken >> nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=2094&forum=General_Discussion
I said this before.....If I had an entire year to travel the states and the world, I would make up a list of guys I want to visit and watch play roulette. Even some of the goofs at the Jiz site, other table games. I would make a list of around 20 different people (Kelly would be on that list). I would watch for maybe 2-3 weeks per person and I would report NON-BIAS results. If you kicked ass, I would report so.
Anyways, I would love to do that. Funny question though....of the 20 guys I would have appointments with to watch, how many would actually bail on me? My guess, 13 of the 20 would be no-shows or some kind of an excuse how grandma is in the hospital or something. (lol)
Ken
Be my guest. If i showed you my tracking sheet and i told you how it worked and i actually won a few bucks it might change your attitude towards AP. My betting signals are not worse than non AP`s actually better for obvious reasons. But i would probably bail after 5 - 6 days since i don`t play much longer before i break up for a few weeks.
Quote from: Kelly on July 07, 2012, 07:17:55 AM
Be my guest. If I showed you my tracking sheet and I told you how it worked and I actually won a few bucks it might change your attitude towards AP. My betting signals are not worse than non AP`s actually better for obvious reasons. But I would probably bail after 5 - 6 days since I don`t play much longer before I break up for a few weeks.
Just wanted to see if you're still around Kelly. Okay, you would be one of the seven.
Ken
Im around, just having a hard time finding topics to comment on, not even a good argument. Whats with the wizaed board ? How can you guys barnaby and you, get carried away like that ?
I commented....'math goofs' and that got me a 21 day ban. Thats a load of s**t and most know it. From that point, I went off the cliff (with comments) and it got me a perm. ban. More free time for me. They rarely talk roulette over there anyways, thats my only casino game I play.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 05, 2012, 10:10:32 PM
I said this before.....If I had an entire year to travel the states and the world, I would make up a list of guys I want to visit and watch play roulette. Even some of the goofs at the Jiz site, other table games. I would make a list of around 20 different people (Kelly would be on that list). I would watch for maybe 2-3 weeks per person and I would report NON-BIAS results. If you kicked ass, I would report so.
Anyways, I would love to do that. Funny question though....of the 20 guys I would have appointments with to watch, how many would actually bail on me? My guess, 13 of the 20 would be no-shows or some kind of an excuse how grandma is in the hospital or something. (lol)
Ken
for me i would like to watch KWTQ, its still a puzzle to me how he manage to monitor multiple curves.
lately he just reported that he won over 10800 units.
i am not bashing him or anything, in fact i even made some small profit using KWTQs the curve, i just wanted watch him play first hand.
I guess if he just was banned from this casino, he could get away easy with it. It could be a court case and criminal record for him. And if this was not the first time...Too bad for him.
Quote from: Mr J on January 11, 2012, 07:04:22 AM
This was tricky on part of the casino but I thought it was kind of cool. I was playing the other day, sitting at the end, 34, 35, 36.
The 32 hit and while the dealer was pulling away the losing chips, the guy next to me slides a green ($25) on to 32/35 split. I admit he was fast but still an idiot. Right away, the dealer says....no way that green was there. He told floor about it and they called to have it checked. The interesting part, a couple minutes later, pit comes over and tells the guy.....sorry, but you placed your chip too late and gives him his green back.
This of course was a lie. They tell him that so he doesn't run out of the building. Sure as heck, around three minutes later, standing behind us are 3 guards and 1 plain clothes security guy. They let him cash out whatever chips he had, took down all his personal information, told him to look up at the camera (picture) and escorted him out the door. What an idiot, all for $425 and its the only casino in town.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 11, 2012, 07:04:22 AM
This was tricky on part of the casino but I thought it was kind of cool. I was playing the other day, sitting at the end, 34, 35, 36.
The 32 hit and while the dealer was pulling away the losing chips, the guy next to me slides a green ($25) on to 32/35 split. fast but still an idiot. Right away, the dealer says....no way that green was there. He told floor about it and they called to have it checked. The interesting part, a couple minutes later, pit comes over and tells the guy.....sorry, but you placed your chip too late and gives him his green back.
I admit he was
This of course was a lie. They tell him that so he doesn't run out of the building. Sure as heck, around three minutes later, standing behind us are 3 guards and 1 plain clothes security guy. They let him cash out whatever chips he had, took down all his personal information, told him to look up at the camera (picture) and escorted him out the door. What an idiot, all for $425 and its the only casino in town.
Ken
Wow, you saw an actual past poster. He's lucky, past posting is
a felony and he should have gone to jail. The casino must not
have wanted the legal expense of prosecuting him.
it's not a fact they won't prosecute him. If he was not arrested right away he still can be if everything is documented properly. Am i right?
Casinos often don't want the negative publicity a lawsuit brings.
I've cashed out at the cage hundreds of times. I have never seen this before, maybe I was not paying attention?
People are allowed to walk into the casino with bags or small buckets of change! They take their coins to the cashier instead of a bank because the casino charges NOTHING. I assume they dont even gamble that money, most likely right back home again, I think? Its funny how I've never seen this before.
Ken
Mr J i have been reading your posts thoroughly lately and still cannot figure out how you are winning systematically (i know you said that you don't win everytime) but still you are a winner most of the time. I tried your system on real wheels as well as air roulette and it works sometimes but not always. In the long run the system do not win.
For example at an air roulette wheel number 18 came out 3 times in the last 15 numbers...So, i bet on 18 and it came out only after 43rd spin!!! I naturally stopped playing after seeing it not coming after the 10th spin. I've seen the same thing happening at real wheels also. So, how is it that you keep winning. Kindly enlighten us. Thanks and happy winning man.
@To the person with one post >> "So, I bet on 18 and it came out only after 43rd spin".....I'm not sure what that means?
Ken
Thanks Mr j for taking time to reply.
>"So, I bet on 18 and it came out only after 43rd spin".....I'm not sure what that means?
I meant that after #18 came out 2 times in the last 15 spins i bet that number (#18). But #18 only came out after 43 spins!!! This way your system works rarely as i tried it in demo mode and on real tables and still it worked only a few times. No way i can win with that system - even if i play for long hours. So, plz explain how you are doing it. Thks.
Where did I say bet it (#18) up to (or beyond) 43 spins?
Ken
hi tonna,
i guess you are trying to play the catch the 8th train, if i am correct, yes it does happen. In my experience i even reached 45th spin before the number hit but it only happened once. usually after 30-40 spin another number will hit thrice and that time you will be betting 2 numbers.
since you are just betting a single number it wont hurt if you will do some mild progression to cover the loses.
Hi Ken and Marvin,
Thanks for your input.
>Where did I say bet it (#18) up to (or beyond) 43 spins?
Yes Ken i did get it that you said that you bet until only one of the same numbers appearing dissapears from the 15 last numbers. But what i am saying is that i bet the last number that has come at least 2 times in the last 15spin and then it never came out again till one of the numbers dropped from the last 15 numbers. So, i stoppe betting and waited for another opportunity and it was the same thing again! In the end i won only 1 time and many quite some losses {At the same time i noted to see when these numbers would come again - some of them came after 43+ spins...).
What do you think of this? Let me know what you are doing to keep winning. Thanks man.
Cheers.
If for some reason you dont win with it (or any method for that matter), dont play it anymore, problem solved.
Ken
My friend,
I thought you created this thread to help people. Not because i have 2 posts mean that i am a noobie who does not know the difference between a single and double wheel table!! I read a lot on different forums and demo try some of the systems at Dublinbet and others. I have 4 real casinos within a 5 mile range from me and they are open 20 hours a day. So i pop in anytime to have some fun. My cousin owns one of them and i go to his place mainly to chat, have hot coffee and eat chocolate biscuits...
I work hard on different systems. Last week i stayed in the casino for 5 hours without playing a cent - just to note the winning numbers. Then using these numbers to see if the latest system i devised work or not. It worked very well at start and then it made some losses. It does not win in the long run but for the short term it wins well. So, i am fine tuning the system. When i am happy with it then only i play it for real. :good:
A few days ago i brought in 500units and after playing for less than 2hrs on the dozens with a slight progression i won 2,700units. I left happy. Normally i stop when i double my BR. 3 yrs ago when i lost my job i played roulette full time for 4 months and came out fine. I would have gone for it full time for life. But could not all because of the wife! She does not like the risks. :nono:
As you say that you are winning well with your system i wanted to see how we can exchange ideas etc.But i think i was wrong.
Cheers and happy winnings.
T
Nope, its not my JOB to make anybody here a 'winner'. I post a method or two and then step aside, thats it.
Ken
Ok mate no worries! :thumbsup: Anyway if everyone were winners casinos would become whinners!! :sarcastic:
Cheers :biggrin:
Here's a first for me....... I played a couple days ago and my buy-in was $900, I wanted NICKELS and asked for a certain color I happen to like (no, its not a lucky color).
Either they have a NEW rule there or this dealer was doing everything by the book.
He said, I could not REQUEST a certain color. Why is that I asked? To cut down on cheating......if somebody was playing earlier (a friend of mine) had that same color but lets say they were dollar chips. He leaves the table with those chips and gives them to me, they are NOW nickel chips, I guess?
Anyways, this dealer was a jerk to me all night, whatever.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on November 10, 2012, 11:40:03 PM
Anyways, this dealer was a jerk to me all night, whatever.
Ken
Did you beat him?
There are quite a few dealers here that find me.....irritating. :diablo:
Ken
Interesting......I was playing on Friday and when I got done, I headed for the casino bar for a couple cold beers. I never noticed how UNCOMFORTABLE these damn seats are (we have two casino bars).
I kind of complained about them and the bartendar said the seats are purposely made that way so people dont get too comfortable. If your a** (or back) is hurting sitting on them, you'll most likely NOT want to stay at the bar......back to more GAMBLING. Makes sense I guess.
Ken
Two separate issues....... I was playing a method, 3 numbers, $40 per. I get a hit ($1,400). I ask for 10 black, the rest in nickels. This idiot dealer makes it 12 black AND $400 in nickels. He asks to verify *AND* it also gets past floor !!!!! "SEND IT"
WTF? So I'm thinking, $200 extra for me. Nope, some other moron player gets involved and corrects floor.
MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS PLEASE !!!
Ken
hahaha its suppose to be christmas, a season of giving :D :lol:
Its my blog so....... I see over at GG (a couple months ago) a couple more regulars got banned at WOV. I gave out all kinds of warnings and heads up regarding that site. It does NOT matter how polite you are (etc.) over there........if your views are not in line with that goofball MS and his CREW, you will be gone, end of story.
What a sad way to run a board. I still read over there (via a proxy), the place is like a bunch of robots. They have (or had) a roulette section but you'll get blasted if you post in it. WTF? Then remove the section. (lol)
Ken
I was two tables away from this >> nolinks://fox6now.com/2013/06/16/woman-shot-inside-potawatomi-casino-man-in-custody/
This is my opinion, not sure if you agree? I played on Friday, started with a 1K BR. Had a terrible day playing a certain method and was down to around $300.
I gave up with the method but decided to "play around" with the last $300. I still only played 2-3 numbers, did not base my bets on anything worth noting. Anyways, I finished with $1,100 and went home.
I keep track of everything at home, in detail, in notebooks. I jotted the day down as a LOSS. The method failed (at least that day) so why LIE and pat myself on the back? I felt like s**t leaving the casino even though I made $100.
Do you see how goofy I am regarding this game? (lol)
Ken
This is the way I do it but I'm probably in the minority and that's fine.
Most of my methods these days are flat betting. Lets say in the first three hours I'm really kicking a**, I'm on fire......... with most likely five more hours yet to play. I do NOT raise my bets. I know some bettors will say you should but I disagree. I'll leave it at the same level of betting until I leave. Granted, on my next visit, my bets WILL be larger (assuming its the same method).
I raise or lower my unit sizes on the NEXT visit, not on that day. that's my two cents for today folks.
Ken
Too funny, have to post it. With Roulette Evolution here, there are 8 seats. I see this once in awhile..... a guy is having a bad day playing so he SWITCHES seats, he feels his luck might change. WTF?
I would even ask him/her (for all I know, maybe his terminal is not working correctly) but he does state...... "I'm switching, this seat is bad luck".
Pure comedy.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 18, 2013, 11:52:09 PMIt does NOT matter how polite you are (etc.) over there........if your views are not in line with that goofball MS and his CREW, you will be gone, end of story. What a sad way to run a board.
Now, the "wizard of stupidity" is trying to figure out 0 exp 0. He asks these useless "riddles" when the other members start to wonder where he is. He can't talk about gambling because he doesn't gamble. (The egghead lost a small fortune after the "housing bubble" burst a while ago, but I wouldn't consider that gambling. He can't make money, even on his investments. Still, he regards himself the quintessential body of advice in all areas.)
Trouble is, he tries to answer his own "riddles", himself. Why do a lot of posters (try to) do that? Ken sometimes asks trick questions, but that guy always asks dick (head) questions. Over and over again. Yet the crowd of 200 or so registered users there can't seem to get enough of him.
On the outside looking in, I guess.
Jesus, Mike, at least take the time to google your answers first. Wikipedia is wrong more often than it's right. But hey, even those answers would serve everyone better.
Nice post Archie. :thumbsup:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on September 19, 2013, 11:58:14 PM
Nice post Archie. :thumbsup:
Ken
Thanks, Ken.
Now the Wizbang (nolinks://nolinks.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wizbang) has his own blog over there (within his own dictatorial board. Wnolinkswwhhhhy?). He went to Arizona or something, so we have to hear all about it. Fifty miles away? He had to grab somebody's blackjack charts out of their hands to autograph 'em. Get a life, Wiz.
I have two pieces of advice, mainly for the rookie players >>
A) When you are testing (or playing), please know the difference......... good results vs. bad luck. (or bad results vs. good luck, same thing).
If you are testing an idea and it is failing after 150 spins, so what, your sample size is way too small. Keep on testing and see if that is the NORM or if those losses are simply temporary !!
If it becomes the NORM for that idea/method, kick it to the side and never mess with it again. Same thing if you have a bunch of wins early and often but still, too small of a sample size. don't get too happy or sad after only 150 spins.
B) The simple truth...... lets say you are playing and you are up $200. That $200 might be a big thing for you, I understand that.
It is a FACT, if you walk out that casino door, you will have a $200 PROFIT for that day....vs........ if you stay and continue on, you have now been downgraded to >> its a POSSIBILITY you might leave with a profit. I know this sounds like common sense but for too many casino patrons, it has to be pounded into their heads.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on September 22, 2013, 05:24:30 AMIf you are testing an idea and it is failing after 150 spins, so what, your sample size is way too small. Keep on testing and see if that is the NORM or if those losses are simply temporary !!
Takes a couple of thousand shoes of baccarat, at about 70 P/B decisions a shoe, just to warrant further investigation and simulation. This requires a simulator which works; and knowledge of how to operate it, how to interpret the results, eg.
The best simulators are personally designed from scratch. Graphs are a distraction, if you're looking at the right numbers. Know the difference in utilities of practice from infinities of theory.
However, some clear persistent thinking is all that is required in most cases. A lot easier too. If you do find something which thus should work, just go out and try it. Will take a lot less time and money to "eyeball" it in the field, find a good size of bet, eg. In any event, still have to give the house a wide berth. (Be cautious and/or respectful of them.) Fresh air too.
Quote from: Mr J on September 22, 2013, 05:24:30 AM... if you stay and continue on, you have now been downgraded to >> its a POSSIBILITY you might leave with a profit. I know this sounds like common sense but for too many casino patrons, it has to be pounded into their heads.
Some of us like to take down the casinos all in one day?
WOW >> nolinks://nolinks.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/02/Macau-casinos-hit-jackpot-with--45B-in-revenue
Legal thieves, but not as bad as banks.
Quote from: Steve on January 02, 2014, 06:54:59 PM
Legal thieves, but not as bad as banks.
are your machines allowed in Macau Steve ?
I'm gonna take a short break from Bet Selection forum. Never posted that much anyways, so, not a big deal. Plus, I save myself time (LoL). Those people just do not know Snowman/Xander the way that I do. What is so hard about......if you are into AP (cough), don't post on method threads BUT you can talk AP (cough) all you want, 24/7 if you choose to, simply start your own thread about it.
I seem to be asking for a lot over there. I thought my REQUEST was pretty darn fair, guess not. Snowman/Xander will "cool it" for awhile (I know him), or come back under a different name.
Then he'll start his bulls**t again. When posters start complaining (and I'm talking about MORE than one guy), you bet your a**, I will post...... I TOLD YOU SO.
Ken
Quote from: Steve on January 02, 2014, 06:54:59 PM
Legal thieves, but not as bad as banks.
I could not agree more.
Personally, I refer to banks as parasites.
Ken,
I`ll take a looooong break from Bet Sel. just was hanging around for hanging around sake. I am very well set with my roulette systems and methods.
ND
A short blog...... Yep, betting TWO numbers is really the way to go guys, no doubt about it. 3-4 numbers, is still much better than betting 20 numbers but I'm a huge believer in TWO.
You get a NICE CUSHION if you fall a bit behind with your BR. LOTS of room (assuming your BR is decent) to make a "come back" !!
2 numbers + decent BR + good bet selection + enough time playing = Nice profits.
All my opinion keep in mind.
Ken
Read something today on-line and its worded quite well >>
"If you stay too long at the casino, you make the transition from playing to gambling".
((Gambling is like a commando raid: the gambler must get in, do some damage and get out. Hanging around too long in the presence of superior forces can be fatal))
Ken
My newest thing, been doing it for a couple months now...... I VERY much prefer sitting next to the wheel. Lets say I arrive at the table and there are a couple spots open, NOT next to the wheel. Some other idiot is sitting there. My solution? I pay the person $100 for the seat (ROFL).
Yep, thats correct. Only had one person so far say no and I won't go higher than $100.
Ken
I'm on You Tube daily, viewing ANYTHING related to roulette or casino life. This is short (3:46) but kind of funny and sad >>
nolinkss://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=Odfus7sJwiE (nolinkss://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=Odfus7sJwiE)
Ken
This is PART of the reason why I try and create easy methods >>
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor) AND nolinks://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/occam.html (nolinks://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/occam.html)
Ken
ROULETTE CAN BE CRAZY.......I was playing yesterday. We have a board that shows the top 4 hottest and the top 4 coldest numbers (not really sure over how many spins?)
Anyways, the top two hottest numbers were the 3 and 34 and the coldest number was the 15 (lol).
I guess I find that funny as hell...but...anything is possible.
Ken
Would drive you nuts if you had been playing the 15.
Sometimes roulette really sucks !!!....was playing a certain method yesterday and NOT doing well but noticed a few numbers hitting over and over again. So I switched my method, now playing temp. hot numbers.
Yep, at that point, NOTHING was repeating but my other method was now hitting.
Sooo, switched back again. That method stopped hitting and the hot numbers started popping again.
Unfu***n real. Thats roulette for ya folks.
Ken
Saw this the other day, kinda pissed me off. You cannot leave your chips on the table and go use the bathroom. The dealer will USUALLY take those chips off, thats fine, I have no issue with that rule.
However, a guy did just that.......left his green chips on and went to the bathroom. The dealer calls floor over and asks, should I take these off? Floor was trying to be quiet (lol) and asks her....is he tipping? She says YES and floor said, go ahead and spin. She spun while the guy was NOT there. He hits ($875) and gets paid.
Point being, SPECIAL treatment I guess for those who tip?!
Ken
nolinkss://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=gxTRCPKFltE (nolinkss://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=gxTRCPKFltE) <<< This is GREAT !!! Reminds me a little of roulette. I even put it in my signature!!!! (its only 2:39 long)
Ken
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?forum=Roulette_Archive_2005&page=29&history=0 (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?forum=Roulette_Archive_2005&page=29&history=0) <<< Tons of old but great roulette info. Perhaps start a topic based off of one of these threads?
Ken
Interesting, not sure how accurate it is? (who plays for 42 straight hours?) >> nolinks://uh.edu/engines/hrs-roulette-chart.jpg (nolinks://uh.edu/engines/hrs-roulette-chart.jpg)
Ken
I like posting oddities from the web regarding roulette. This was kind of interesting >>
nolinks://mathworld.wolfram.com/Roulette.html (nolinks://mathworld.wolfram.com/Roulette.html)
Ken
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