What do people think is the best way to win? and give reasons. I have tried so much and conclude so far that you just need to find easy wheels. I never know anyone to win roulette using progressions or systems
Quote from: telden on March 03, 2011, 02:00:23 AM
What do people think is the best way to win? and give reasons. I have tried so much and conclude so far that you just need to find easy wheels. I never know anyone to win roulette using progressions or systems
I believe you are correct - Roulette is just a fancy version of flipping a coin; too simple to allow skill to make any kind of difference.
Progressions and systems don't seem to help at all.
Money Management might stand a chance - that's where I'm focused. MM has nothing to do with random numbers, or dealers' signatures, or the operation of the wheel and ball - it is 100% under your control and 100% grounded in reality.
Don't know if I'll ever find a MM technique that works but that's just about all that one can use to beat Roulette.
You're on the right track looking at advantage methods. There are only 3 methods that are recognized as being POTENTIALLY effective -
Visual Ballistics
Dealer Signature
Biased wheels
Or any combination of the above. Why? because they actually take account of the reality that the only things which determine where the ball will land are the physical characteristics of the wheel and the dynamics of the ball. Everything else is irrelevant, including Money management. These 3 are based on hard science, not magical beliefs.
Money management IS 100% under your control (just like taking a rabbit's foot to the table), but it's irrelevant to where the ball is going to end up, that much should be obvious. Get the edge first, then worry about MM.
Read posts by kelly, Laurance and Snowman at the Gambler's Glen forum, all the rest is garbage.
BTW, forget about roulette computers, but I think you already know that. :)
Mike I do not agree with you.There is no proof everybody can learn these methods.All your methods demand very much experience and a lot of time watching the ball.I think a very few players can have the skill to be profitable.
A strategy based on statistic features is much easier to learn.Your methods are only to use on manual driven roulette wheels.Strategies are suitable for all random driven roulettesystems
SP, it's not as difficult as you believe. Once you get out of the "system" mindset and focus on advantage play methods, you might actually start to find it more interesting. A strategy based on statistics might be easier to learn, but is it as effective? I have seen no evidence that such methods have any merit at all, and I've personally investigated many of them. Of course, you are free to prove me wrong.
Mike i have published my results playing RNG driven roulette.Every session has a profit.I can live demonstrate a session.Of course I cannot claim a winning strategy.You must also learn the features of a random row and built up a skill.You did not answer the question ,How to play a RNG driven roulette game.
I know that some ways exist to win roulette but I never found anyone really doing it. I already got what is supposed to be good roulette computer. I already learn visual ballistic and it is same as the computer.
I wanted to know more if someone is really doing it all.
Hi Mike
One of the very few people on this forum who know what they are talking about!
I don't post often, but will make the effort when someone says something of SIGNIFICANCE!
Listen to Mike he has analysed and summed up the 3 approaches to Roulette correctly.
This is the most refreshing post I've seen in years because the Truth of the 3 potentionally effective advantage methods has been listed and all three can be learned.
Not many, (if any) biased wheels any more. Dealer signature good, though need patience.
I believe visual ballistics is well worth the investment, if you are really serious, and I have to agree with Steve when he says improving accuracy of predictions, mastering this approach to vb will give you this.
All the Very BEST Mike!
Rocky
Rocky can you explain me the relation between visual ballastic,dealers signature and biased wheels. What is the best method for RNG roulette.I have asked Mike but till now no answer.
@ Rocky, thanks for the kind words. I don't pretend to be an expert in any AP methods, but I do know that they're the only viable long term "solution".
@ schoenpoetser,
There isn't any connection between the traditional AP methods and RNG, because AP is based on physics and the interaction between dealer, ball, and wheel. There are other factors which can come into play too, such as the humidity of the environment, because it can affect the bounce of the ball, warping of the drum etc.
None of those variables exist in RNG, because either the spins are generated by a computer, or by some random element such as radioactive decay in "True" RNGs.
The reason that you can get an edge using physics based methods is because it's possible to see and measure the factors which influence where the ball will land. There are many such factors and they are all inter-related, which is why often a combination of Dealer Sig. VB and bias is the best approach to use.
On the other hand, with an RNG all you have is the numbers - you can't study causes and effects of why the ball ends up where it does because it's all hidden from you. There is nothing you can measure apart from the statistics of the spins AFTER they have occurred. Either that or you resort to theoretical probability, but if you do that, you only have the mathematics of the GAME (not the physics of the wheel and ball, and the interaction between them). Studying the game itself will never give you a true advantage, because the payouts calculated by the casino take into account how the ideal game works. And it's in the casino's interest to make sure that the physical ball/wheel/dealer combination approximates the ideal game as closely as possible so that they keep their edge.
Fortunately for Advantage players, the ideal is never completely attained, so it's possible to overturn the house advantage in some cases.
Personally, for reasons just given, I would never play an RNG. I just don't see how you can get an edge.
I use combination of visual balistics and dealer signature.
Zindrod can you explain me how you ascertain The dealers signature.If I give you a permenence of 100 spins can you tell me the DS and can I use it in the next 100 spins?
Hi Schoen,
My DS method is taken from ball release point which would make it impossible from 100 spins posted in a thread. I need to look at the number under the hand when the ball is released. Because it is on tilted wheel with dominant drop I make a prediction immediately. Now I use VB and make another calculation. If I get different areas I don't play. If I get overlapping areas I play. It really is a action hands-on method. It does not rely on past spins ether.
Warm regards
Z
Znidrod: You must have e very good skill to make profit with your method.In the dutch casinos I think it is impossible.For every spin the ball and cylinder velocity is variable.Every 45 minutes the dealer is changed.The time between the release of the ball and no more bets is very short.In that time you can announce wheel sectors or neighbours.There will be no time to place many bets on several numbers
In theory there is no difference between a randomrow from a real roulette or a fair RNG.So I can use my strategy as well as on live roulette as RNG.
Quote from: Zindrod on March 10, 2011, 03:48:03 PM
I use combination of visual balistics and dealer signature.
It sounds like you also use biased wheels, because you say "because it's on a tilted wheel" in your next post. Am I correct? Do you play live streaming casinos or only B&M?
Sam
I have a hypothetical question which won't happen so dont worry. Would it be FAIR for method players to come to this thread and insult, slam the AP posters? Just wondering, because after all.........
Ken
Ken I do not know exactly how a AP plays the roulette.We,I, do not insult or slam anybody but tell me what can I learn from a AP.AP uses also a method.The ball has no memory for the next spin but from my point of few a virtual memory for statistic.Methods based on mathematical rules everybody can learn and use on live wheels and RNG.
Mike do you make money often with roulette and what systems do you use? you sound like you have seen a lot of good systems
Quote from: birdhands on March 23, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
It sounds like you also use biased wheels, because you say "because it's on a tilted wheel" in your next post. Am I correct? Do you play live streaming casinos or only B&M?
Sam
Hi Sam.
There's a huge difference between bias and tilt. A wheel could for instance be tilted but might not have bias. Or vica versa.
I only play B&M although if I get a live wheel with enough time after the ball has been spun before nmb online and the wheel suits the conditions I would give it a definate go.
@Schoen.
Yes it might be difficult in the conditions you describe more so the fact that 'time' after the release to nmb is very short. Yet I have various visual balistics methods I use. Some for quick rotors some for early predictions (my hybrid ds also allows for this.
As far as different wheel speeds, that is no problem. You don't have to play all wheel speeds. Certain wheel speeds will be better for playing than others anyway so identify 2-3 wheel speeds per direction and concentrate on those. The velocity of the ball also does not make any difference at all. (To any vb player) Neither does dealer changes. What matters is wheel speed and a specific point in time regarding the ball velocity. And off course a tilted wheel. (1,2 or 3 pin is ok)
@ Ken ......... ;D ;)
warm regards
Z
Quote from: Rocky on March 04, 2011, 01:33:48 PM
Hi Mike
One of the very few people on this forum who know what they are talking about!
I don't post often, but will make the effort when someone says something of SIGNIFICANCE!
Listen to Mike he has analysed and summed up the 3 approaches to Roulette correctly.
This is the most refreshing post I've seen in years because the Truth of the 3 potentionally effective advantage methods has been listed and all three can be learned.
Not many, (if any) biased wheels any more. Dealer signature good, though need patience.
I believe visual ballistics is well worth the investment, if you are really serious, and I have to agree with Steve when he says improving accuracy of predictions, mastering this approach to vb will give you this.
All the Very BEST Mike!
Rocky
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I'd like to hear opinions on devices which predict where the ball falls?