What is a trend ?
It might sound stupid - but I assume a trend is about any kind of combination or formation that will continue to flow in same behavior - witch mean that some one would try to ride it and gain some units.
Is that the definition of a trend and trending ?
How would you define the word trend and trending !
Cheers
A trend is when a website forum becomes just like GG, Gambler's Glen.
Never been to GG, havent herd anything good about it though.
i think you are right cookie but i dont think you have to ride a trend to capture it.
for an example my system uses a trend, but its more of the same thing happening. where the strike rate is about 50/50, 2 or 3 losses in a row or 5 and 6 losses in a row is common.
but it evens it self out over the 30 spins and tends to be 50/50 on average for the strike rate. anyway thats what i see and this dosent change much.
thats just one example i see with my system.
"a trend is about any kind of combination or formation that will continue to flow in same behavior " so yes i believe you are right cookie.
In Roulette there are NO trends - just figments of your imagination.
Trends do exist where past data does reflect on future events - the trend.
Since past random numbers from a Roulette wheel or RNG have NO influence on future events there can be no trends.
@ maui
your second and third sentence contradicts it self.
the second sentence is a good way to say it.
but trends is just a play method, away of playing roulette, just like guessing. theres no voodoo in it, just a way of playing.
if people win great, if they lose then thats roulette for you.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 16, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
In Roulette there are NO trends - just figments of your imagination.
Trends do exist where past data does reflect on future events - the trend.
Since past random numbers from a Roulette wheel or RNG have NO influence on future events there can be no trends.
What a load of newbie shit that is. The world according to MauiSunset says there is no such thing as a trend in Roulette. There's "technical analysis" for trending in the stock market. I guess MauiSunset has not put his foot down in that world yet. Why not? If an idiot has his head buried in the sand then that makes him qualified to expose the wonders of the world? NOT! Following the wisdom of MauiSunset is almost dangerous to your well being. This clown wants you to trust him. You had better ask yourself why. I just chose to let him shack up with cheese. There's trend we never saw coming.
im pretty sure maui said he dose stock market with a 60% successe rate.
hes not some one i trust either. but then again i dont really care much for what he says any more.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 16, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
In Roulette there are NO trends - just figments of your imagination.
Trends do exist where past data does reflect on future events - the trend.
Since past random numbers from a Roulette wheel or RNG have NO influence on future events there can be no trends.
Sorry to be so blunt but you talk a load of shit. You have have no idea in what you are talking about. I only wounder how you have over 300 posts.
If I run you over in my car, is that random? NO, its due to cause and affect. How the hell do you think Joe Jagger beat this game?, ritz team etc. Its being beaten right now as we speak!
The word "random" is invalid
Roulette is not random, for heaven sake do some proper research.
James.
James.
They do occur, but whatever the trend is, more often than not by the time you identify it, it is probably almost over.
Trend identification is not going to help you much.
I think trend anticipation is where the money is.
So learning to see all manner of trends in the past tense could help wire your brain (perception) for evaluating what trend is more likely to evolve in the next so many spins.
if you throw a ball the same patterns appear. but if you win at roulette its pure chance. i won for the last three days. can i gurantee winning today no is the answer. the dealer is about to throw the ball. some body wants change. the result is different. no body can predict the next spin.
Trends must mean something in order for them to be used.
Just because we think we see a trend, doesn't mean that trend is useful.
Our brain is a pattern matching organic computer - one of the things built into it is the ability to find trends; you can't help but find patterns and from those patterns trends are found.
That's how all life forms have evolved with their brains - how they hunt, evade predators, and form communities.
I saw a Tsunami a few days ago in Maui - I watched the ocean recede 100 yards and then come in - a 1 foot Tsunami in action; I saw 8 of these in 2 hours. That's the pattern/trend of a Tsunami - well documented.
Look at the output of a RNG, either a Roulette wheel or software, and you will see all kinds of patterns and trends - they mean nothing. There is no way to predict future spins from past spins in Roulette since a RNG is involved.
It would be like taking an handful of sand and throwing it on the table - you will see all kinds of patterns and from those you could draw lines and find trends to the next similar pattern. Those patterns and trends mean nothing to the next handful of sand you throw on another table.
This is all called Gambler's Fallacy and it afflicts many of you here - you use this bunk to form systems that produce bunk and when you lose you cry "the casino is cheating".
That's the pattern and trend I see from you folks who believe in RNGs producing trends - all bunk, all the time.....
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 06:11:22 PM
Sorry to be so blunt but you talk a load of shit. You have have no idea in what you are talking about. I only wounder how you have over 300 posts.
If I run you over in my car, is that random? NO, its due to cause and affect. How the hell do you think Joe Jagger beat this game?, ritz team etc. Its being beaten right now as we speak!
The word "random" is invalid
Roulette is not random, for heaven sake do some proper research.
James.
James.
Prove it!
Prove that Roulette is not random - show some proper research.
Show me a link to any scientific journal where the have investigated Roulette and found it is not random.
You guys just spout crazy ideas left and right and have NO science or math to back up these insane claims.
Show me the link...
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 16, 2011, 06:59:57 PM
Prove it!
Prove that Roulette is not random - show some proper research.
Show me a link to any scientific journal where the have investigated Roulette and found it is not random.
You guys just spout crazy ideas left and right and have NO science or math to back up these insane claims.
Show me the link...
What do you mean prove it?? It has been proved. Are you stupid?
Why the hell shal I do research for you? That just proves you have done ZERO research about roulette, you are lazy or plain stupid and your attitude sucks.
If you want proper research, go find it for yourself.
You say math, well roulette cannot be beaten with mathematics. That to me again tells me you have no idea in what you are talking about.
James.
Hi !
I was reading this Topic and I am amazed from the post of RedQuad !
So you mean that the game of roulette has been beaten and there is also proof? :o
James
I think you and Maui have crossed wires, I beleive that he is not talking about the physics aspects of the game but rather the random aspect and the so called trends that many believe that they can use to predict the the course of the next few decisions. As I am sure that you realise jaggers used the physics of the wheel rather than random outcomes.
If you beleive that you can forecast trends within random then I too would love you to point me in the right direction as I have researched roulette quite a bit and have only found self deception or double speak in respect of prediction of trends random sequences
I feel some of the replies cover it - so now to my next question and please feel free to pick a number from 1 to 12 based upon your belief what is possibly ? trending !
FLAT BETTING ...
1) 0.5 Keep looking
2) 1.0 Keep looking
3) 1.5 Hint
4) 2.0 Interesting
5) 2.5 Good /
6) 3.0 Very good
7) 3.5 Super
8) 4.0 Dream on
9) 4.5 You wish
10) 5.0 Forget it
11) 5.5 Never in an life time
12) 6.0 The end of roulette as we know it
Explanation:
The number of won units is to be divided by the root from the placed bets.
Just having fun and plz enjoy and dont be so serios about it :)
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 07:39:23 PM
What do you mean prove it?? It has been proved. Are you stupid?
Why the hell shal I do research for you? That just proves you have done ZERO research about roulette, you are lazy or plain stupid and your attitude sucks.
If you want proper research, go find it for yourself.
You say math, well roulette cannot be beaten with mathematics. That to me again tells me you have no idea in what you are talking about.
James.
Maybe in your universe RNGs generate trends and patterns that can be used to forecast future winners but not in this universe.
There are no links to any website that offers proof except UFO websites that spout similar nonsense all the time.
You are simply overwhelmed by Gamblers' Fallacy - many have fallen for the insanity.
Do yourself a favor and conduct some kind of test to prove that RNGs produce trends or not - you see 2 Blacks or Reds and how many times does a 3rd show up? Then try 3 Black/Red and a 4th show up. You will quickly find out that it's just 50/50.
It's all random and that's why there is the word Random in RNG....
Quote from: Psolaras on March 16, 2011, 08:08:45 PM
Hi !
I was reading this Topic and I am amazed from the post of RedQuad !
So you mean that the game of roulette has been beaten and there is also proof? :o
Yes that's exactly what i am saying. Why is it so hard to belive?
James.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 09:24:01 PM
Yes that's exactly what I am saying. Why is it so hard to belive?
James.
There are many here bragging about beating Roulette - take my challenge and win $25 - that's all the proof we need.
So far only one person has taken the challenge - the $25 prize still stands.
Come on guys, it's easy as pie you say......
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 16, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
Maybe in your universe RNGs generate trends and patterns that can be used to forecast future winners but not in this universe.
There are no links to any website that offers proof except UFO websites that spout similar nonsense all the time.
You are simply overwhelmed by Gamblers' Fallacy - many have fallen for the insanity.
Do yourself a favor and conduct some kind of test to prove that RNGs produce trends or not - you see 2 Blacks or Reds and how many times does a 3rd show up? Then try 3 Black/Red and a 4th show up. You will quickly find out that it's just 50/50.
It's all random and that's why there is the word Random in RNG....
You are more stupid than i thought. Do not tell me i am overwhelemed by a gamblers fallcy, i do not gamble.
And what are you talking about RNG? I wasent talking about that. RNG is indeed random, Pyhsical wheels are NOT random. That is my point.
Again i do not use maths, maths cannot beat roulette. You really are stupid to say there are no links, are you for real? Jesus i give up. Seriously what is the point, its not my loss.
James.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 16, 2011, 09:28:35 PM
There are many here bragging about beating Roulette - take my challenge and win $25 - that's all the proof we need.
So far only one person has taken the challenge - the $25 prize still stands.
Come on guys, it's easy as pie you say......
The ones who who brag about beating this game are lieing. If you win roulette, you never brag. Thats just imature and will get you into trouble.
Winners do not brag, the fake winners do brag.
James.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 09:31:27 PM
You are more stupid than I thought. Do not tell me I am overwhelemed by a gamblers fallcy, I do not gamble.
And what are you talking about RNG? I wasent talking about that. RNG is indeed random, Pyhsical wheels are NOT random. That is my point.
Again I do not use maths, maths cannot beat roulette. You really are stupid to say there are no links, are you for real? Jesus I give up. Seriously what is the point, its not my loss.
James.
I pity you if you believe you can beat Roulette with voodoo physics of the wheel, ball, and the dealer's signature.
This stuff is even more crazy than RNG patterns/trends.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 16, 2011, 09:34:12 PM
The ones who who brag about beating this game are lieing. If you win roulette, you never brag. Thats just imature and will get you into trouble.
Winners do not brag, the fake winners do brag.
James.
what about if you are a newbie but your system has done well (so far) and you are excited to tell people.
it might be a mistake to do so but it dosent mean they are lieing.
i agree to a certain extinc.
Maui there is a small core of maybe 35 - 40 people in the world that makes a sole income from roulette by using physics. Kaisan and his son, Kovacs, Nico Tosa are some of the most famous. Kaisan and his son has lately (3 month ago) been banned from Grosvenor and Gala Casinos in London. Kovacs cant play in australia anymore. Tosa is one of the Ritz guys. There is a 5 year old interview with Kaisan here. Warning the translation from german sucks.
nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf)
You can verify the above names and why they are on observation lists, with any surveillance company. Its not a secret anymore since they blew their cover (if there ever were one years ago.
PS: A physical total random wheel cannot be beaten this way, and they are getting more and more common. But what i have noticed lately is that wheels i discarded 2 - 3 years ago is now playable. Wear and tear and casino managements safe feeling after installing the new wheels is working for the players.
Quote from: Kelly on March 16, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Maui there is a small core of maybe 35 - 40 people in the world that makes a sole income from roulette by using physics. Kaisan and his son, Kovacs, Nico Tosa are some of the most famous. Kaisan and his son has lately (3 month ago) been banned from Grosvenor and Gala Casinos in London. Kovacs cant play in australia anymore. Tosa is one of the Ritz guys. There is a 5 year old interview with Kaisan here. Warning the translation from german sucks.
nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf)
You can verify the above names and why they are on observation lists, with any surveillance company. Its not a secret anymore since they blew their cover (if there ever were one years ago.
PS: A physical total random wheel cannot be beaten this way, and they are getting more and more common. But what I have noticed lately is that wheels I discarded 2 - 3 years ago is now playable. Wear and tear and casino managements safe feeling after installing the new wheels is working for the players.
I read all kinds of things in the press these days - the vast majority designed to sell newspapers and the reputation of the folks in the news.
I read about gamblers who had all kinds of magical systems only to not to be able to demo them and admit they just had a great run of luck.
I put my faith in math and science and I see nothing to any of the ideas that rely on their absence - that includes all the ideas of studying the wheels, ball, and the dealer.
That's just my opinion and will gladly change my mind with verifiable and repeatable examples to the contrary......
Its a free world, if you dont believe that the hits mentioned by Kaisan or the Ritz incident or Kovacs taking 200.000 off Burswood i think it was, fine by me. Kaisan took 600.000 alone in my local casino.
Their play is based on science. The ball always leaves the track at a specific wheel with the same speed because of 2 constants. Centrifugal force and gravity. When the gravity becomes more powerfull than the centrifugal force the ball leaves the track. If the wheel has a slight tilt, you now know 2 things. How fast the ball comes down and where on the wheel it will strike. The deflectors is in fact a helping hand here, because it narrows down area where the ball is being catapulted towards the rotor. Im not gonna rewrite the entire tecknik because it is being discussed all over the internet.
A scientific test was conducted on a computer which in reality does the prediction the exact same way a wheelclocker does. Barnett made a not public video that shows how the computer predicts and its basicly a digital wheelclocker so to speak.
nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf (nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf)
nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf (nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf)
Except from the material from Thorp i dont think you get it much more scientific.
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Its a free world, if you dont believe that the hits mentioned by Kaisan or the Ritz incident or Kovacs taking 200.000 off Burswood I think it was, fine by me. Kaisan took 600.000 alone in my local casino.
Their play is based on science. The ball always leaves the track at a specific wheel with the same speed because of 2 constants. Centrifugal force and gravity. When the gravity becomes more powerfull than the centrifugal force the ball leaves the track. If the wheel has a slight tilt, you now know 2 things. How fast the ball comes down and where on the wheel it will strike. The deflectors is in fact a helping hand here, because it narrows down area where the ball is being catapulted towards the rotor. Im not gonna rewrite the entire tecknik because it is being discussed all over the internet.
A scientific test was conducted on a computer which in reality does the prediction the exact same way a wheelclocker does. Barnett made a not public video that shows how the computer predicts and its basicly a digital wheelclocker so to speak.
nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf (nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf)
nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf (nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf)
Except from the material from Thorp I dont think you get it much more scientific.
Twice a day the moon lifts the oceans up several inches to several feet and then lets them down - it's called the tides. Gravity is constantly changing around us due to the moon and the earth orbits the sun in an elliptical orbit and gravity changes during the year.
These gravitational changes will affect the point where the ball leaves the rim - it might be fractions of a millimeter but the resulting number spun will be impacted to some degree.
Humidity will affect the ball's speed.
Air currents from the air conditioning vents will impact the ball.
Smoke from smokers will settle on the rim and the top of wheel - that changes the balls flight.
Static electricity from rugs will build up and slow down the ball.
The list goes on and on and these changes make a huge difference when they interact with each other.
Oil from the dealer hands and cosmetics will be transferred to the ball and impact the speed of the ball.
There are too many things to consider and thus all of this is meaningless.
I don't believe for a second anyone has the analytical skills nor the computer modeling power at the Roulette Table....
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 12:24:34 AM
That's just my opinion and will gladly change my mind with verifiable and repeatable examples to the contrary......
There is no way on planet earth that you have past an adequate test of a true critic. You don't make it. You are faking it. I know it.
Just for your information, those changes are not big enough to affect the ball enough. There are slight differences in the speed the ball leaves the track with, but its due to the ball running in the track with small kind of residues and dust that also attaches to the ball. The bounce on the rotor makes much more damage to the prediction than those small speed changes that the ball leaves the track with.
But whatever makes your day. Not much point in trying to convince you.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 01:04:07 AM
There is no way on planet earth that you have past an adequate test of a true critic. You don't make it. You are faking it. I know it.
OK, show me a link where someone, a true critic, has devised a fool proof way to test a Roulette system?
Where is this fool proof test that the loudest braggarts here keep demanding? If you can point to such a test I'll use it.
Too many of you have gotten away with bragging about how great Roulette players you are only to cower in the corner when a $25 prize is offered to you to demo what you brag about. You have pitiful excuse after pitiful excuse.
In your case Gizmo, I still think mommy and daddy won't let you go to the casino by yourself..........
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 01:11:56 AM
Just for your information, those changes are not big enough to affect the ball enough. There are slight differences in the speed the ball leaves the track with, but its due to the ball running in the track with small kind of residues and dust that also attaches to the ball. The bounce on the rotor makes much more damage to the prediction than those small speed changes that the ball leaves the track with.
But whatever makes your day. Not much point in trying to convince you.
Ok, show me a study that someone has done to verify this. This would be great for the Myth Busters on TV - they are constantly conducting experiments to test all kinds of legends.
Too many urban legends haunt the Roulette world. We don't have anything like this in Black Jack and I must say my 2.5 month adventure in Roulette has been very entertaining so far.
I wonder what's next? Ghosts of long dead gamblers haunting the Roulette tables causing all kinds of havoc on system players?
This is all bunk.....
Show you shit!
"Critical thinking, is a somewhat contested concept in the field of education due to the multiple philosophical frames in which it is contextualized but it generally refers to higher order thinking that questions assumptions."
"In a narrow sense, critical thinking has been described as "the correct assessing of statements." It has also been described popularly and narrowly as "thinking about thinking."
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 01:16:01 AM
OK, show me a link where someone, a true critic, has devised a fool proof way to test a Roulette system?
Where is this fool proof test that the loudest braggarts here keep demanding? If you can point to such a test I'll use it.
Too many of you have gotten away with bragging about how great Roulette players you are only to cower in the corner when a $25 prize is offered to you to demo what you brag about. You have pitiful excuse after pitiful excuse.
In your case Gizmo, I still think mommy and daddy won't let you go to the casino by yourself..........
Man, you are a neophyte degenerate assumption of monumental proportions. There is no way I will lead you to qualification of true critical authenticity. You die all the time as a useless puke.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 01:39:26 AM
Show you shit!
"Critical thinking, is a somewhat contested concept in the field of education due to the multiple philosophical frames in which it is contextualized but it generally refers to higher order thinking that questions assumptions."
"In a narrow sense, critical thinking has been described as "the correct assessing of statements." It has also been described popularly and narrowly as "thinking about thinking."
Man, you are a neophyte degenerate assumption of monumental proportions. There is no way I will lead you to qualification of true critical authenticity. You die all the time as a useless puke.
Psychobabble isn't going to help you in the casino - nor are your totally insane ideas of random numbers.
My $25 prize still is unclaimed - it would fatten up your piggy bank....
Maui, its pretty simple and you can do it yourself. There are plenty of public roulette spins on you tube. Try measure how fast the last ball rotation takes and make 50 compares (on that wheel if there are 50 spins on the one you find). You will have a hard time to find a lot of exact equals, but they will all be in a narrow range. If you think its the moon that causes the difference, fine by me. What is interesting for me is the narrow range and the known strike point.
End of story from my end.
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 01:47:56 AM
Maui, its pretty simple and you can do it yourself. There are plenty of public roulette spins on you tube. Try measure how fast the last ball rotation takes and make 50 compares (on that wheel if there are 50 spins on the one you find). You will have a hard time to find a lot of exact equals, but they will all be in a narrow range. If you think its the moon that causes the difference, fine by me. What is interesting for me is the narrow range and the known strike point.
End of story from my end.
I know there is a whole cadre of folks who believe in all of this - why don't you folks just get together and conduct experiments? Buy a wheel, identical to the ones in a casino (if that is even allowed), and start conducting experiments.
Buy a very accurate motor and spin the wheel and construct something to start the ball spinning - compressed air is probably the way to go.
Then run 10,000 tests and find out what happens. The results will probably be enough to just stop testing - all bunk.
Then, if you wish, take the ball and apply some fat from rubbing it in your fingers a few seconds and watch what happens as the oil affects the ball and as the oil evaporates what happens there.
This should be easy to do if someone actually want's to know the truth.....
P.S.
Quite frankly if this hasn't been done by some group of gamblers by now, then this is really isn't a serious subject to debate. The tests should have been done long ago by those who propose all this nonsense.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 01:46:52 AM
Psychobabble isn't going to help you in the casino - nor are your totally insane ideas of random numbers.
My $25 prize still is unclaimed - it would fatten up your piggy bank....
MauiShit = beggar
He demands explanations but admits that he only has done very little research into this game. He won't do the work that many of us have. Don't treat him with respect. He never earned it. Just say no to MauiSunset.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 01:59:12 AM
MauiShit = beggar
He demands explanations but admits that he only has done very little research into this game. He won't do the work that many of us have. Don't treat him with respect. He never earned it. Just say no to MauiSunset.
I don't demand explanations - just calling your bluff on your insane ideas. You are a Lunatic Gizmo - I wish there was a more polite way of saying it but you have insane ideas that I sure can't follow - maybe others can but what leaves your mouth is 100% gibberish. Ask for different medications and see what happens.
I simply am offering a $25 prize and you would think that folks, like you Gizmo, would snap up that prize and laugh all the way to the bank.
Instead excuse after excuse after excuse - one must conclude that my $25 prize is beyond your grasp; which I feel confident, in your case Gizmo, is true. Others, I'm curious to watch them play....
NO!
another winning day. no trends no watching the ball. i go to win two or three hundred dollars. only single numbers, just back the numbers that recur.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 02:05:44 AM
I don't demand explanations - just calling your bluff on your insane ideas. You are a Lunatic Gizmo - I wish there was a more polite way of saying it but you have insane ideas that I sure can't follow - maybe others can but what leaves your mouth is 100% gibberish. Ask for different medications and see what happens.
I simply am offering a $25 prize and you would think that folks, like you Gizmo, would snap up that prize and laugh all the way to the bank.
Instead excuse after excuse after excuse - one must conclude that my $25 prize is beyond your grasp; which I feel confident, in your case Gizmo, is true. Others, I'm curious to watch them play....
eeehhhh......$25 ? :blink: "snap up the prize and laugh all the way to the bank"? ;D :lol: I wouldn't tell you my worst joke for $25 .... My toilet paper (5 ply) costs that a roll. Should rephrase "I simply am offering a $25 prize " to rather "I am offering a simple prize of $25" :biggrin:
Quote from: pins on March 17, 2011, 02:55:08 AM
another winning day. no trends no watching the ball. I go to win two or three hundred dollars. only single numbers, just back the numbers that recur.
Look closer fool, you will find that I was feeding you a line. You took the bait idiot.
Quote from: pins on March 17, 2011, 02:55:08 AM
another winning day. no trends no watching the ball. I go to win two or three hundred dollars. only single numbers, just back the numbers that recur.
pins, i dont know if you have notice but following the last numbers that recured is a trend!
you must be watching the ball to know what numbers recure.
stop arguing with maui gizmo.
no need to get bent out of shape, its quite obvious he knows nothing and wants a simple system with out the work.
hes just there to antaganise people, he has nothing of value to say, hes just a broken record.
same shit new day.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 01:53:57 AM
Quite frankly if this hasn't been done by some group of gamblers by now, then this is really isn't a serious subject to debate. The tests should have been done long ago by those who propose all this nonsense.
You're assuming that if all this were true (the physics and AP claims) then it should have been made public. Why on earth would anyone want to reveal an advantage and sell the goose which lays the golden egg?
You ask for links, kelly posted them and then you trash them. It's pretty clear you're only here to troll.
You say roulette "might" be beaten by money management, why don't you give us some of your ideas on this instead of antagonising members. Let's have some positive input from you. Anyone can criticise...
notice i said recur. not repeat. the twelve plays the 19 is not far away. or vice versa.
I'll recap my reasoning for being here and asking questions that upset many of you:
History:
Roulette has not been beaten in 300 years or the casinos would rip the Roulette wheels out and replace them with something else. I have faith in the casinos over anyone on an internet chatroom.
So when folks make the claim they beat Roulette all the time, or make huge winnings I just don't believe you - unless you offer proof.
Math and Science:
I've asked here and on other chatrooms for links to scientific journals that have studied Roulette and found it breakable - no links have been supplied. I've asked for links to scientific journals that have investigated random numbers and found that they are loaded with information useful for predicting the next random number - no links have been supplied.
I've asked for research, by like minded gamblers, that have tested the validity of making forecasts by observing the mechanics of the spinning wheel, the ball, and the dealer - no research seems to have been done anywhere. If this information is so valuable there should be all kinds of studies proving any of these theories correct.
My $25 Reward
I am willing to pay money, $25, to watch someone win at Roulette in either 100, 200, or 300 spins, or a max of 2, 4, or 6 hours of play, and make just $1 in winnings. So far only 1 person has taken me up on my offer and the prize is still unclaimed.
My Impressions:
Roulette is unbeatable. Folks have lucky streaks but in the long run Roulette is a loser using science. Math might beat Roulette with Money Management techniques but I have great doubts - but that's the only area I have hope for.
I've allocated 2011 to investigating Roulette and will continue looking and investigating and testing for the remainder of the year. I use Roulette as just a relief from playing Black Jack and have always played for fun with no intention of winning since I assume it is too simple of a game to find a weak spot.
Roulette Stockholm Syndrome:
The vast majority of Roulette players seem to have realized that Roulette can't be beaten with conventional math and science and thus use junk math and junk science at the foundation of their systems. These systems don't work, of course, and therefore the casinos must be cheating in all kinds of ways. These false ideas seem to attract many gamblers and with large numbers solace can be found since many gamblers seem to believe in the same ideas. All bogus.
My System:
The system I have used for years is "Play Roulette as slow as possible and drink as fast as possible". I have yet to find or observe a better Roulette system.
My Conclusions so far:
Nobody in the various chatrooms I frequent, has a winning Roulette system and is willing to claim my $25 prize and the title of "I'm a for real WINNING Roulette Player". Many are upset with me for asking tough questions that they have no answers to. Many, are wasting their time and losing money over systems they just have not tested and verified.
My gut feeling is that when I go back to Vegas in December I'll still be using my old system.....
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Its a free world, if you dont believe that the hits mentioned by Kaisan or the Ritz incident or Kovacs taking 200.000 off Burswood I think it was, fine by me. Kaisan took 600.000 alone in my local casino.
Their play is based on science. The ball always leaves the track at a specific wheel with the same speed because of 2 constants. Centrifugal force and gravity. When the gravity becomes more powerfull than the centrifugal force the ball leaves the track. If the wheel has a slight tilt, you now know 2 things. How fast the ball comes down and where on the wheel it will strike. The deflectors is in fact a helping hand here, because it narrows down area where the ball is being catapulted towards the rotor. Im not gonna rewrite the entire tecknik because it is being discussed all over the internet.
A scientific test was conducted on a computer which in reality does the prediction the exact same way a wheelclocker does. Barnett made a not public video that shows how the computer predicts and its basicly a digital wheelclocker so to speak.
nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf (nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem1.pdf)
nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf (nolinks://cryptome.org/roulette-problem2.pdf)
Except from the material from Thorp I dont think you get it much more scientific.
I've looked at these "studies" and as an engineer they make no sense to me at all!
Any test needs a datum - a point of reference. In Roulette it would be an automated Roulette table in a sealed room running constantly for years - 365/7/24 - the ONLY modification would be a sensor that would release the ball at the same point for all the testing.
If there is anything to any of these wild speculations then studying the mechanics hundreds of thousands of spins need to be the reference point.
The landing number must be identical in 95% of the spins. No datum was ever established to see if any further testing is worthwhile.
Other identical bots should be running with changes to common influences on the table - heat, humidity, contaminants, and of course non level platform.
I see none of this but just the idea that a non-level wheel will be biased - a conclusion in need of a flawed test.
As an engineer, I would not accept any conclusions from these two experiments - they don't use the Scientific Method to prove their hypotheses - they are totally flawed and mean nothing.
These two tests are based on Junk Science and any conclusion is Junk....
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 08:24:28 AM
I'll recap my reasoning for being here and asking questions that upset many of you:
History:
Roulette has not been beaten in 300 years or the casinos would rip the Roulette wheels out and replace them with something else. I have faith in the casinos over anyone on an internet chatroom.
So when folks make the claim they beat Roulette all the time, or make huge winnings I just don't believe you - unless you offer proof.
Math and Science:
I've asked here and on other chatrooms for links to scientific journals that have studied Roulette and found it breakable - no links have been supplied. I've asked for links to scientific journals that have investigated random numbers and found that they are loaded with information useful for predicting the next random number - no links have been supplied.
If you have faith in the casinos you should know that they take "wheel watchers" very seriously. Next time you play roulette, make it conspicuous that you are watching the wheel very closely (try writing stuff down in a notebook too), and see if you get any attention from the pit boss.
As for "has not been beaten in 300 years" it depends on what you mean. In the first place, science and technology hasn't advanced at the same rate in that time. It's only in the last 20 - 30 years that computers have seen widespread use. The kinds of analysis possible now weren't even dreamed of only 50 years ago. Also it's worth mentioning that Casinos HAVE made changes to the game relatively recently. They have introduced new wheels to counteract the wheel watchers and eliminate certain kinds of bias which was more prevalent in the old style deep pocket wheels. Casinos take this stuff very seriously. Roulette may not have been beaten, but some INDIVIDUALS have beaten it.
Again, I have to ask - why would any scientific body be concerned with this stuff? it's hardly of the same status as curing cancer. Those who do research will naturally keep any positive findings to themselves, that's just common sense. Anyone who has a competitive advantage in business isn't going to spill the beans - get real.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 08:37:37 AM
Any test needs a datum - a point of reference. In Roulette it would be an automated Roulette table in a sealed room running constantly for years - 365/724 - the ONLY modification would be a sensor that would release the ball at the same point for all the testing.
If there is anything to any of these wild speculations then studying the mechanics hundreds of thousands of spins need to be the reference point. The landing number must be identical in 95% of the spins. No datum was ever established to see if any further testing is worthwhile.
Other identical bots should be running with changes to common influences on the table - heat, humidity, contaminants, and of course non level platform.
And who is going to pay for all this research? it's not as if it needs to be done for safety purposes. What is the value to those doing the research to make it public? who would benefit?
The kind of rigorous testing you suggest does NOT need to be done in order to come to valid conclusions regarding the physics of roulette.
Funny how you require such stringent testing and yet you're willing to believe that roulette could be beaten on the basis of someone winning $1 in 100 spins, AND your hopes rest on money-management techniques which are trashed by scientists. Your posts are becoming more and more contradictory. :-\
Quote from: Mike on March 17, 2011, 09:31:20 AM
If you have faith in the casinos you should know that they take "wheel watchers" very seriously. Next time you play roulette, make it conspicuous that you are watching the wheel very closely (try writing stuff down in a notebook too), and see if you get any attention from the pit boss.
As for "has not been beaten in 300 years" it depends on what you mean. In the first place, science and technology hasn't advanced at the same rate in that time. It's only in the last 20 - 30 years that computers have seen widespread use. The kinds of analysis possible now weren't even dreamed of only 50 years ago. Also it's worth mentioning that Casinos HAVE made changes to the game relatively recently. They have introduced new wheels to counteract the wheel watchers and eliminate certain kinds of bias which was more prevalent in the old style deep pocket wheels. Casinos take this stuff very seriously. Roulette may not have been beaten, but some INDIVIDUALS have beaten it.
Again, I have to ask - why would any scientific body be concerned with this stuff? it's hardly of the same status as curing cancer. Those who do research will naturally keep any positive findings to themselves, that's just common sense. Anyone who has a competitive advantage in business isn't going to spill the beans - get real.
Are you kidding me?
Our Porky Pig government, in Washington, oozes with wasteful spending - some of the insane studies they fund make me sick - studying Roulette is just as "important" as studying the toilet habits of homeless in allies - there have been many of those.
Here's one of millions of examples: nolinks://nolinks.thefreemanonline.org/featured/most-outrageous-government-waste/ (nolinks://nolinks.thefreemanonline.org/featured/most-outrageous-government-waste/)
Quote from: Mike on March 17, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
And who is going to pay for all this research? it's not as if it needs to be done for safety purposes. What is the value to those doing the research to make it public? who would benefit?
The kind of rigorous testing you suggest does NOT need to be done in order to come to valid conclusions regarding the physics of roulette.
Funny how you require such stringent testing and yet you're willing to believe that roulette could be beaten on the basis of someone winning $1 in 100 spins, AND your hopes rest on money-management techniques which are trashed by scientists. Your posts are becoming more and more contradictory. :-\
The Egyptians built the Pyramids with 3 datums 1) Horizontal base of the Pyramids were verified with wooden channels filled with water, 2) Plumb bobs were used for vertical datum, and 3) the North star was used to align the structure - a constant reference point in the night sky. They did all this 6,000 years ago and had not invented the wheel yet.
In order to arrive at any scientific conclusion you must have datums, starting points that everyone can agree upon. An automated Roulette wheel must have 95% of all numbers spun be identical before you can proceed. If folks don't have the money to do this they are just wasting their time and money. The whole idea of the Scientific Method is to allow other folks to repeat the experiments that backup a hypotheses.
Conducting your own Roulette tests, without any valid methodology behind it, is like do-it-yourself dentistry - just a dumb idea....
What isn't a trend? :haha:
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Here's one of millions of examples: nolinks://nolinks.thefreemanonline.org/featured/most-outrageous-government-waste/ (nolinks://nolinks.thefreemanonline.org/featured/most-outrageous-government-waste/)
Proove it! :haha:
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(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi499.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Frr351%2Fskakus%2Fcondalisa.jpg&hash=18f87a73f56109af377fdc15bfd49dbb89ffb3ba)
Maui if you took the time to read the links and maybe stepped into a casino or asked for example Survtech who services the casinos, NOT the players, about some names and what they have done you might be a little wiser. Barnett is in the business and has both feet on the front floor of a line of casinos. But maybe he is lying too....Probably.
All this introspect about real research is just more windless hype.
Ever heard of Clustering Analysis?
Ever heard of Decision Theory?
Do you know anything about making an "optimal decision?"
What about Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP) and Bayesian Probability?
All you want is another narrowly confined experiment that only supports your frequentist view. You are blinded by your own conclusions. You have no workable perspective to base it on. There is no consideration for current occurring data. That you have made crystal clear.
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Maui if you took the time to read the links and maybe stepped into a casino or asked for example Survtech who services the casinos, NOT the players, about some names and what they have done you might be a little wiser. Barnett is in the business and has both feet on the front floor of a line of casinos. But maybe he is lying too....Probably.
If you want to believe that observing Roulette wheels has predictive value you must first establish that consistency is the foundation of Roulette.
I can't believe any of the folk stories and rumors when there is no foundation to build from. The test I'd be looking for is the simple one of isolating an automated Roulette wheel for a long period of time and making the modification to stop the flow of air that makes the ball spin when the ball and a point on the wheel line up.
If there is any validity to the wheel and ball being predictable you must first establish that very fact - a mechanical way of getting 95% of the spins to land exactly on the same number. I highly doubt that this test can come up with that figure. Just the vibrations of trucks, cars, trains, and people through the floor will cause a normal distribution around some number, the standard deviation could be huge too.
My suggestion to you folks who believe in this stuff is to verify you have ANY statistical grounds to stand on. I'm guessing this has not been done by anyone and thus the entire study of this topic is one huge waste of time.
Like I said - way too much voodoo science and math in Roulette with the result being systems that don't work and the only logical conclusion then is that the casinos must cheat; totally flawed logic along the whole way.
This is the pattern that I see when I observe Roulette players.....
So RedQuad from what you replied it seems to me that you have found a winning bet.
That s because you posted that you don t use Maths.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 12:34:40 PM
All this introspect about real research is just more windless hype.
Ever heard of Clustering Analysis?
Ever heard of Decision Theory?
Do you know anything about making an "optimal decision?"
What about Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP) and Bayesian Probability?
All you want is another narrowly confined experiment that only supports your frequentist view. You are blinded by your own conclusions. You have no workable perspective to base it on. There is no consideration for current occurring data. That you have made crystal clear.
Psychobabble about psychobabble is still psychobabble....
It doesn`t really matter what i say. The tests you talk about has been carried through on real wheels since the eighties up till today. Like i said, ask someone who is in business, obviously you don`t really believe anyone or any links.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 12:40:05 PM
Psychobabble about psychobabble is still psychobabble....
Well it's your psychobabble and your junk science that will need to pass the test of time. Just because you want a command post does not mean we have to solute. The test I want to see is you and cheese on your dream vacation.
Check this out: nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_making_software (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_making_software)
It's only psychobabble if you refuse to understand it. So understand this. You are just avoiding conflict by hiding behind your well constructed wall of childish name calling. I'll bet you do that to others without even knowing it. So you have a self constructed Karma working your way. "I know you are but what am I?" is not an argument. It's just a dodge of the question all along. You make your demands but you never answer anything.
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 12:41:29 PM
It doesn`t really matter what I say. The tests you talk about has been carried through on real wheels since the eighties up till today. Like I said, ask someone who is in business, obviously you don`t really believe anyone or any links.
Ok, what are the results of this very fundamental test?
What's the standard deviation abound the target number?
If I had to guess, that SD is going to be 3 numbers either side either side of the target number meaning 7 numbers must be bet at once; and that's just for 68% accuracy. So 1 out of 7 numbers wins 68% of the time at * 35 to 1 odds = 3.4 units won for 7 bet; failure.
If you had 2 numbers around the target number that's 1 in 5 * 68% accuracy * 35 to 1 odds = 4.76 units won to a 5 unit bet; failure when you throw in Green 0.
The SD is going to have to be just 1 number either side of the target number - I just have a gut feeling that's asking too much consistency from mechanical equipment which in reality will be influenced by all kinds of contaminants.
In reality a high or low air pressure front moving through the casino location is enough to change the speed of the ball to make using such a system worthless; lower air pressure makes the ball spin faster, higher air pressure makes the ball spin slower. Throw in the human dealer and I arrive at the conclusion that this is all bunk.
My gut feeling is that this is just another Roulette fairy-tale turned nightmare....
More junk science. Yep psychobabble too.
I know you dont give a shit but here is pretracking of a wheel that if I recall it correct payed off around 6K.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg153.imageshack.us%2Fimg153%2F2446%2Fcammegh2dv5.jpg&hash=2c55fa3f35dc452f9981089e88cd9c5e6f273292)
This is the search result. On the tracking page there is a field where you enter air pressure among other things like wheel speed, strike number, strike diamond etc. How fast the dealer throws the ball is his own business, im only interested in the last 6 revoloutions.
PS: Don`t mind the bias pages, they are an additional bonus if something happens there. They are usefull when mapping the wheel though.
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 01:25:15 PM
I know you dont give a shit but here is pretracking of a wheel that if I recall it correct payed off around 6K.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg153.imageshack.us%2Fimg153%2F2446%2Fcammegh2dv5.jpg&hash=2c55fa3f35dc452f9981089e88cd9c5e6f273292)
This is the search result. On the tracking page there is a field where you enter air pressure among other things like wheel speed, strike number, strike diamond etc. How fast the dealer throws the ball is his own business, im only interested in the last 6 revoloutions.
PS: Don`t mind the bias pages, they are an additional bonus if something happens there. They are usefull when mapping the wheel though.
Good god, this is what you're all excited about?
That standard deviation of 3 to 4 is a killer that can't be overcome - I gave the example of 3, 4 would be a joke:
1/9 * 35 *68% = 2.6 units won for every 9 bet; horrible.
Maybe you use different math than I do....
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
An automated Roulette wheel must have 95% of all numbers spun be identical before you can proceed.
That's clinched it. You have no idea what you're talking about. :o
Yeah its probably a different math. The 3 number sector had an mathematical expectation of 1.86 but had 8 hits. That would be slightly more than 2 units profit.
The table is a pretracking of the wheel and the results is only for 1 wheel speed in this case, hence the low spin sample. The actual play later consisted of a playing model with 3 wheel speeds and a 5 arc sector with an offset around 25 pockets from obs. In the pretracking these speeds showed almost 5 SD. In actual play they settled around 3 SD. I only kept a screenshot from the initial tracking because it very fast established a good reading point also for several other wheel speeds. At the same spot. Which is a bit unusual.
Quote from: Mike on March 17, 2011, 02:09:15 PM
That's clinched it. You have no idea what you're talking about. :o
Well how would you relax the condition?
What would be a standard deviation you would live with?
Just how accurate is a roulette wheel?
I don't think anyone here has the foggiest of ideas, yet studying the wheel, ball, and the dealer is supposed to have predictive values.
Just how?
On a sidenote: The tracking spin samples are not that large so they have to kick out at least 3 or 4 SD within a relative short while. The second tracking round should confirm the first tracking, if not, the first 3 - 4 SD kick out was false. Or maybe the second, under all circumstances, you need a bit more work before you have solid playing model.
Quote from: Kelly on March 17, 2011, 02:26:59 PM
On a sidenote: The tracking spin samples are not that large so they have to kick out at least 3 or 4 SD within a relative short while. The second tracking round should confirm the first tracking, if not, the first 3 - 4 SD kick out was false. Or maybe the second, under all circumstances, you need a bit more work before you have solid playing model.
Well I do have respect for folks who have spent time investigating various topics - maybe you are on to something, I wish you the best of luck, and I mean that.
It's just not my cup of tea...
MauiSunset is an expert
he'll find some great trends at any Playtech online Casino
Try real money mode old boy. . . then come back here
BTW Gizmotron as you mention GG S---E has been in touch with your students
best pop over and give him one of your putdowns
I suppose that was a pad on the shoulder. Basicly i just wanted to point out that the names i mentioned before have all based there play on these things, and they are all the real deal. There winnings too. Wether they are a threat to the casino or not, just ask Mike Barnett. He has access to the blaclists and why those names are there.
Personally i dont play that often and not at all for a living, and as such dont win those amounts, but i get by and get to see places. Once you have tryed being on the winning side because you actually knew why the number came up and could follow the ball and the number as they approached each other and connected, you will never look back. Its a facinating world.
Quote from: zippyplayer on March 17, 2011, 02:58:24 PM
MauiSunset is an expert
he'll find some great trends at any Playtech online Casino
Try real money mode old boy. . . then come back here
BTW Gizmotron as you mention GG S---E has been in touch with your students
best pop over and give him one of your putdowns
I am no expert at Roulette - I play for free drinks.
I do know how to go about investigating things. I've been down this path many times before with the stock market, commodities market, real estate, rare coins, antiques, and gambling.
Believe what you want, but it's your wallet you must listen to, not me or anyone else here....
Quote from: zippyplayer on March 17, 2011, 02:58:24 PM
MauiSunset is an expert
he'll find some great trends at any Playtech online Casino
Try real money mode old boy. . . then come back here
BTW Gizmotron as you mention GG S---E has been in touch with your students
best pop over and give him one of your putdowns
Prove that he has spoken with my students. His big deal tell all is that I never showed them where to place bets. That's all I ever did show them after I showed them how to read the charts. Spike has an agenda. That has become clear. He knows that I understand the concept of educated guessing. If I openly teach it then he needs to destroy my credibility at all costs. That should tell you something. But it doesn't does it?
Educated guessing. ;D
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 03:08:35 PM
Prove that he has spoken with my students. His big deal tell all is that I never showed them where to place bets. That's all I ever did show them after I showed them how to read the charts. Spike has an agenda. That has become clear. He knows that I understand the concept of educated guessing. If I openly teach it then he needs to destroy my credibility at all costs. That should tell you something. But it doesn't does it?
I must say I've never taken a course on educated guessing in my life, I guess that's better than old fashioned guessing.
This doesn't use a Ouija Board does it? I used one at a party once - the answer was unsettling.
I thought I was Spike, now I'm confused again...
P.S.
(Please don't tell me that I've been cloned and have a good clone ruining my reputation)
Why has nobody asked me to describe educated guessing and as Spike would complain, why has nobody asked me to show them where, when, and why to place bets. My students asked me, but they all proved they were interested in the first place. I offered all the training for free. Not one person asked me to show them what Spike has accused me of not being capable of doing. Am I that intimidating? After discussing all this with ten students I never had anything but questions and answers without any disruptions. Here, at this forum all I see is scared people that are afraid to ask questions. Spike has been a jerk. He is scared I'll wreck his opportunities.
So let's talk about educated guessing. Let's get it all out there. You can search the archives of this forum and GG to find questions that Spike would never answer. Just ask them here. I'll deal with it in as much detail as it takes so that it is completely understood. I will show you exactly where to bet on a trend. Spike is a nothing has been. You can learn from me in as much as 30 days. But you will do far better if you can add playing experience to all this. Without it I just can't see any of you learning these skills.
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 03:19:36 PM
I must say I've never taken a course on educated guessing in my life, I guess that's better than old fashioned guessing.
This doesn't use a Ouija Board does it? I used one at a party once - the answer was unsettling.
I thought I was Spike, now I'm confused again...
This sums you up perfectly. You are another narcissist. Just what this forum needed.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 03:19:58 PM
Why has nobody asked me to describe educated guessing and as Spike would complain, why has nobody asked me to show them where, when, and why to place bets. My students asked me, but they all proved they were interested in the first place. I offered all the training for free. Not one person asked me to show them what Spike has accused me of not being capable of doing. Am I that intimidating? After discussing all this with ten students I never had anything but questions and answers without any disruptions. Here, at this forum all I see is scared people that are afraid to ask questions. Spike has been a jerk. He is scared I'll wreck his opportunities.
So let's talk about educated guessing. Let's get it all out there. You can search the archives of this forum and GG to find questions that Spike would never answer. Just ask them here. I'll deal with it in as much detail as it takes so that it is completely understood. I will show you exactly where to bet on a trend. Spike is a nothing has been. You can learn from me in as much as 30 days. But you will do far better if you can add playing experience to all this. Without it I just can't see any of you learning these skills.
Well let me be the first to ask how you go about guessing educationally.
I can't wait - let me finish my lunch first.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
Well let me be the first to ask how you go about guessing educationally.
I can't wait - let me finish my lunch first.....
Anyone but you. You are like internet fly paper. That's my gut reaction to you.
If you are really interested then please describe what you think it might be. You will have to think, write, and do a little work.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
Anyone but you. You are like internet fly paper. That's my gut reaction to you.
If you are really interested then please describe what you think it might be. You will have to think, write, and do a little work.
I use educated guesses all the time.
However, I've never had any luck using educated guessing while flipping a coin. My bad.
I can't imagine how one would use anything but a WAG in Roulette. I see folks walking up to a Roulette table and plunking down money/chips on a single number an winning. I know they didn't use any kind of guessing - just used a lucky number or some number less than 37.
Since you believe there is knowledge in random numbers I guess that helps you make an educated guess.
Since I believe random is random there is nothing to be used from past numbers on the Marquee.
I'd bet that my guess is just as good as yours - or just as bad....
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
Since I believe random is random there is nothing to be used from past numbers on the Marquee.
I'd bet that my guess is just as good as yours - or just as bad....
Have you ever heard of the axiom of the full cup? I can't teach you anything. Who could?
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 17, 2011, 01:59:12 AM
MauiShit = beggar
He demands explanations but admits that he only has done very little research into this game. He won't do the work that many of us have. Don't treat him with respect. He never earned it. Just say no to MauiSunset.
I could not agree with you more. Exactly my point.
whats with the name calling.
i dont like maui either but name calling arent going to do shit.
no one ask you gizmo cause of your attitude. no one cares what you think cause of your attitude.
mauis just wants something for nothing, ignore him.
Quote from: darrynf on March 17, 2011, 07:26:11 PM
whats with the name calling.
I dont like maui either but name calling arent going to do shit.
no one ask you gizmo cause of your attitude. no one cares what you think cause of your attitude.
mauis just wants something for nothing, ignore him.
My attitude has been to not share anything for the past four years. I'm not really interested in training anyone, one person at a time. Now for four years I have been under attack for the secrets that I have kept. Now it seems that I'm under attack for sharing my secrets too. If you don't have at least twenty years of real casino playing experience then you are not in the same class of player that I am in. That's not my fault. So if I'm nice or not what the heck does that have to do with anything?
Gads, I will only tell you my secrets if you are nice. And you must be nice to others too. Or I will see that and have to ignore you. Some people might think this is crazy talk. But that's OK. I've always been a fan of political correctness and that phony illusion.
i know what you mean mate but still you will always get douters.
Quote from: darrynf on March 17, 2011, 04:47:21 AM
stop arguing with maui gizmo.
its quite obvious he knows nothing and wants a simple system with out the work.
hes just there to antaganise people, he has nothing of value to say, hes just a broken record.
same shit new day.
Word
RedsQuad you are a follower of VB,DS and biased wheels.I should not say there are no players who play with success .They can`t prove it on the forum ,while it is is only possible in a live game.I use the maths and I am successful and I can prove it in public.Trends in a random row are caused by the mathematical rules.These trends you can only find in small samples <250 spins.The big deviations from the average values causes trends.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 18, 2011, 08:31:40 AM
RedsQuad you are a follower of VB,DS and biased wheels.I should not say there are no players who play with success .They can`t prove it on the forum ,while it is is only possible in a live game..
Why do you say that? So just becuase people don't talk about winning, it means VB dosent work? Sorry but thats bullshit. Players don't dont need to go round boasting about there winnings. Why would they? You don't know that.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 18, 2011, 08:31:40 AM
,while it is is only possible in a live game..
Huh? Who ever said VB was used elseware? Its obvios VB can only be applied on pyshical wheels. What did you think?
James.
i think james is right on this one.
why prove anything here, theres always people that will put your beliefes down, it cant be beaten blah blah.
just like maui and zindrod, i understand where they are comming from cause i thought the same once. now i know it can be beaten, yes you do lose at times, so what. you more then you lose.
people dont want a winning formula, they just want to argue and put people down. personaly im tired of that bullshit. thats why people that win dont come here or boost about stuff, that was my mistake. yes i am new at roulette but i know how to win.
anyway i think you have a valid point james, i always like reading your stuff. remined never to get in an arguement with you mate lol
personaly i dont get why none believers hang out around here or try to come up with a system that dosent work. i guess they want a peice of the pie.
the owner of the casino said i have never known any gambler to win in the long run. he should know.
The ones who are proclaimng that you can`t`t win in the long run , the next spin is indepedent of the previous I`ts always 50/50, the math says so. Thos are the usual cliches.
Those cats don`t know anything. They just blabber to make themselves SOUND important. They are card carrying members of the empty suit fraternity. You find them all over like rodents or bugs and they should be either ignored or squashed.
darynf you finally wised up even if you did not like it when I warned you about that scammer clothdog.
Just plan your play and play you plan and ignore the key board blabber.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
P.S. If you find yourself in a trending situation then play it until the FIRST loss.
i know mate. i dont remember what clothdog said.
anyway its not about the system it just people on here, its intoxicating.
lesson learnt, dont brag or tell anything about your system. when i get a chance i play again and wont bother telling anything, maybe on my thread.
Quote from: darrynf on March 18, 2011, 05:55:26 PM
I think james is right on this one.
why prove anything here, theres always people that will put your beliefes down, it cant be beaten blah blah.
just like maui and zindrod, I understand where they are comming from cause I thought the same once. now I know it can be beaten, yes you do lose at times, so what. you more then you lose.
people dont want a winning formula, they just want to argue and put people down. personaly im tired of that bullshit. thats why people that win dont come here or boost about stuff, that was my mistake. yes I am new at roulette but I know how to win.
anyway I think you have a valid point james, I always like reading your stuff. remined never to get in an arguement with you mate lol
personaly I dont get why none believers hang out around here or try to come up with a system that dosent work. I guess they want a peice of the pie.
I'm running a contest for the first person to make just $1 (1 unit) in a minimum of 100 spins and if you lose you come back and try another 100 spins and if you still can't make 1 unit profit you get another 100 spins for a total of 300 spins just to make 1 unit. The winner get's $25 in their PayPal account which is the prize and the title of "I'm a for real Roulette player that makes money". If you think the $25 is too small, well hold your own contest and pay some big bucks.
I never asked anyone to say one word about their system - just play and since we can't see their PC screen to say what their bet was and the running total.
I don't expect anyone to tell me their system - somehow you guys seem to expect that.
I just want to see, with my own eyes, someone play Roulette and make a profit after at least 100 spins - that removes luck and since Green 0 will show up many times the system actually must work.
If I see such a system, and it looks like something I might want to use, I will pay for it, and sign a non-disclosure agreement too; if it is for sale. If it is not for sale I have Black Jack systems that I will demo, to the person, and offer as an exchange - Black Jack for Roulette.
Why anyone would release a real working Roulette system to the public for free is beyond me....
maui not just you,
theres others that dont believe.
if you try and sell a system that works, you get called a scammer, if you give a system away for free, then it cant work, people like you dont want to do any research mate.
a test was done on my system with 600k spins and it was positive, thats more then 100 spins.
but people still think you are shit, so why bother, i could take that test but no one will care, im willing to take steve challenge 100k, but people still think it wont win after the next million spins.
it get intoxicating, it was my fault for trying to argue. the system works and its free, i could give you a very simple version and it will win in a real casino.
but that wont be good enough cause you just want to bicker, you want a simple system that wins ? then look.
the clues are all there, if you want i will even tell you. if you win then you can tell me and shut up about your ufo bull shit.
look mate i dont mean to be rude just sick of trying to prove anything. its free, i just cant seem to win
Quote from: darrynf on March 18, 2011, 06:55:05 PM
maui not just you,
theres others that dont believe.
if you try and sell a system that works, you get called a scammer, if you give a system away for free, then it cant work, people like you dont want to do any research mate.
a test was done on my system with 600k spins and it was positive, thats more then 100 spins.
but people still think you are shit, so why bother, I could take that test but no one will care, im willing to take Steve challenge 100k, but people still think it wont win after the next million spins.
it get intoxicating, it was my fault for trying to argue. the system works and its free, I could give you a very simple version and it will win in a real casino.
but that wont be good enough cause you just want to bicker, you want a simple system that wins ? then look.
the clues are all there, if you want I will even tell you. if you win then you can tell me and shut up about your ufo bull shit.
look mate I dont mean to be rude just sick of trying to prove anything. its free, I just cant seem to win
I've seen where folks think I don't do research - are you clairvoyant?
Working hard means nothing, zilch, zip.
Working smart is much better.
I know Roulette can't be broken by math or science - it has withstood 300 years of attack and nobody here is going to break it with those tools. Many here seem to realize that and use voodoo math and science with the hope that might work - it won't.
Money management is where I'm focusing and it uses 100% math - will I have any success? I don't know but that's where I'm focusing my efforts.
I'm working on two ideas that I've stumbled on and doing the research and building systems. I've so far spent 10,000 spins, by hand, to test them and I like what I see. I go to Vegas at the end of April and hope to play the system(s) for real.
I am very excited with the results so far - don't know if it will stand up to lots more testing. I've got to assume that I will hit a brick wall at some point since I've got 300 years of attacks to overcome.
So I take gambling very seriously and put in a lot of time and hope the effort will be worth it.
I am currently working on disguising the system so no one at the pit can figure out what the system is. If I ever feel confident of the system I will demo it here for you guys and if you can figure it out I must throw the system away and start all over again.
Well that's my status so far after starting on Roulette in January....
fair enouth mate.
hope it goes well for you.
if it works dont bother showing it mate, people dont care.
that was my mistake, im going to delete my system soon.
Quote from: darrynf on March 18, 2011, 07:11:42 PM
fair enouth mate.
hope it goes well for you.
if it works dont bother showing it mate, people dont care.
that was my mistake, im going to delete my system soon.
But I must demo it!
A successful Roulette system can't be figured out by folks at the pit - or on a chatroom.
I have already built 2 systems that produce identical results but vastly different. I am merging them together right this minute and I expected the accuracy and profit to be really hit - to my surprise they are just as accurate and profitable! I'm scared now since that should not happen.
Anyway I've gone out of my way to disguise the principles behind the 2 systems and I am pleased so far with the betting patterns - I can't figure it out by just looking at the bets.
I plan 10,000 more hand spins between now and Vegas at the end of April. If it looks good I will actually play it on an American wheel - I believe it will still be profitable but that remains to be seen.
So there is at least one person in St. Louis working hard on Roulette; don't know about anyone else....
*******I am currently working on disguising the system so no one at the pit can figure out what the system is. If I ever feel confident of the system I will demo it here for you guys and if you can figure it out I must throw the system away and start all over again.*******
Maui,
Do you think that the pit has nothing else to do but worry about your system ? I am playing at live casinos since 1981 . I am playing a grand inside system ( strategic as well as tactical ). I don`t even bother to order a drink because by the time the watress would return I would lose more than the value of the drink.
All I know is when I get up from the table the crew is always shocked as if hit with a bucket of cold water. That`s during my winning sessions.
The same reaction awhen I suddenly get up at a losing session except I hear : Don`t you want to win it back ?
With a slightly lower bankroll??
Hey if you wanna win a battle you go in with full force and not half c**ked . THINK!!
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
P.S It`s a well known and documnetd fact that system developers and testers are always winners in their posts :sarcastic:
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 18, 2011, 07:25:50 PM
*******I am currently working on disguising the system so no one at the pit can figure out what the system is. If I ever feel confident of the system I will demo it here for you guys and if you can figure it out I must throw the system away and start all over again.*******
Maui,
Do you think that the pit has nothing else to do than worry about your system ? I am playin at live casinos since 1981 . I am playing a grand inside system ( strategic as well as tactical ). I don`t even bother to order a drink because by the time the watress would retuern I would lose more that the value of the drink.
All I know when I get up the crew at the table is always shocked as if hit with a bucket of cold water. That`s duringmy winning sessions.
The same reaction awhen I suddenly get up at alosing session except I hear : Don`t you want to win it back ?
With a slightly lower bankroll??
Hey if you wanna win a battle you go in with full force and not half c**ked . THINK!!
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
This may just be moot since Vegas is 99% American wheels and that extra 2.5% house advantage is a killer and since I'm American I can't gamble on European internet casinos - basically I'm screwed as an American.
But I will disguise the system, since if I get it to work I will franchise it....
I am residing in the States ( East Coast). so I am in the same boat with the 5,26 % . Do I worry? No. I ignore this little inconvenience. Lived with it for the past 31 years. :ok:
My inside system cannot be played at a table with a single 0 whee l/ layout.
N.D.:
what i find funny is someone who dosent believe roultte can be beaten is beaten roulette. i have herd it only takes 10,000 spins to know if a system is good.
i guess everyone is different.
its just so damn funny that maui has a system, he must be playing with ufo's and voodoo magic. must be in his fantasy world.
anyway maui hope it goes well for you. remeber you arent the first mate and you wont be the last.
@ nathan detroit
you are right mate, its funny how testers and what not are winners in there threads. i guess i fall into this but i know for a fact that my system wins. i have played it and theres not much more to say.
my fault was trying to convince others, there are some genuine people and some arent. anyway my fault.
i dont believe experience is about how long you have played but how much you make. i may not be experience in terms of playing awhile but it dosent mean i dont know what im doing.
i agree with you nathan.
Quote from: darrynf on March 18, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
what I find funny is someone who dosent believe roultte can be beaten is beaten roulette. I have herd it only takes 10,000 spins to know if a system is good.
I guess everyone is different.
its just so damn funny that maui has a system, he must be playing with ufo's and voodoo magic. must be in his fantasy world.
anyway maui hope it goes well for you. remeber you arent the first mate and you wont be the last.
@ nathan detroit
you are right mate, its funny how testers and what not are winners in there threads. I guess I fall into this but I know for a fact that my system wins. I have played it and theres not much more to say.
my fault was trying to convince others, there are some genuine people and some arent. anyway my fault.
I dont believe experience is about how long you have played but how much you make. I may not be experience in terms of playing awhile but it dosent mean I dont know what im doing.
I agree with you nathan.
Why did I have the feeling I'd be misinterpreted?
Roulette can't be beaten with science or math - 300 years proves it.
Money Management is totally different.
If you don't know the difference, that's your problem....
why argue. the truth is no system can gurantee winning. sometimes the numbers play the way you want. and sometimes they do not. a system would have to win at least two hundred dollars a day to be worth while playing. i was in the casino yesterday and 35.35.35.12.12.12, it must be a fix you would say. its just chance. think about it the wheel is spinning one way the ball is spinning another. the spinner is about to throw the ball somebody wants change. a different result. how could you forecast that. system may give you a better chance of winning but no gurantee.
It`s not how many years one has played. It is just a matter of reference to the time spend in casinos . At the beginning I did not play with that much confidence . It was not even the system of today.
but I do know one thing: I do not derive an income from gambling. I have mentioned many times I plan for 3 sessions ( 3 equal bankrolls). I attempt to win 2 out of 3 sessions or if during the first session I happen to find myself in an extreme streak and I achieve the total win goal of 3 sessions then my day at the table ends with a loss at end of this streak and I call it a day.
It is not how much you win it is how little you lose which makes one a winner .So you can see this is a well laid out plan and I possess the discipline to stick with it.
The system we chose is the strategy and the M.M. is the tactic. :ok:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
G.B.A.
Quote from: MauiSunset link=topic=18274. msg131693#msg131693 date=1300484724
I'm running a contest for the first person to make just $1 (1 unit) in a minimum of 100 spins and if you lose you come back and try another 100 spins and if you still can't make 1 unit profit you get another 100 spins for a total of 300 spins just to make 1 unit. The winner get's $25 in their PayPal account which is the prize and the title of "I'm a for real Roulette player that makes money". If you think the $25 is too small, well hold your own contest and pay some big bucks.
I never asked anyone to say one word about their system - just play and since we can't see their PC screen to say what their bet was and the running total.
I don't expect anyone to tell me their system - somehow you guys seem to expect that.
I just want to see, with my own eyes, someone play Roulette and make a profit after at least 100 spins - that removes luck and since Green 0 will show up many times the system actually must work.
If I see such a system, and it looks like something I might want to use, I will pay for it, and sign a non-disclosure agreement too; if it is for sale. If it is not for sale I have Black Jack systems that I will demo, to the person, and offer as an exchange - Black Jack for Roulette.
Why anyone would release a real working Roulette system to the public for free is beyond me. . . .
Before your time here, back when Victor ran this forum there was a member that goes by the name of Ray who did a massive 5,000 spin live roulette challenge right here over the course of two weeks.
It was done against "Herb" who was the complete non-believer in any system. He was a VB player I believe and he was basically you Maui but only 2 years earlier. Herb challenged Ray to see if he could win with his system while Herb himself called the numbers and the numbers were verified by two other respected well trusted members including Victor himself. All the numbers were previously sent to 3 different parties for accuracy and to avoid any cheating.
Ray destroyed Herb's challenge winning +720 units all FLAT betting playing only the inside numbers. This challenge was done over the course of 2 wks and eventually it was Herb who decided to quit the competition early. Ray basically wanted to keep going, but left Herb speechless. Ray plays numbers totally based on randomness. I've talked to him several times and he has shown me how he plays. He wins on a regular basis and can even consistently beat those annoying roulette RNG slot machines at the casino. As long as its random, he can beat it, all without physically looking at the wheel itself, just the marquee.
Take a look at the challenge here: hxxp: vlsroulette. com/roulette-challenge-zone/herbray/
Read every single post and watch as he climbs his bankroll from -36 to +720 flat betting.
He is still a member here but has not posted in a while. He has completed quite a few other challenges at other roulette forums, all with similar results. He did a challenge at rouletteforum. com a while back but I can't find the link.
To this day he is a regular professional roulette player without a "dayjob" as hard as that might be to imagine.
vlsroulette. com/roulette-challenge-zone/herbray is the correct link, when I pasted it above this website automatically distorted the link.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on March 18, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
Before your time here, back when Victor ran this forum there was a member that goes by the name of Ray who did a massive 5,000 spin live roulette challenge right here over the course of two weeks.
It was done against "Herb" who was the complete non-believer in any system. He was a VB player I believe and he was basically you Maui but only 2 years earlier. Herb challenged Ray to see if he could win with his system while Herb himself called the numbers and the numbers were verified by two other respected well trusted members including Victor himself. All the numbers were previously sent to 3 different parties for accuracy and to avoid any cheating.
Ray destroyed Herb's challenge winning +720 units all FLAT betting playing only the inside numbers. This challenge was done over the course of 2 wks and eventually it was Herb who decided to quit the competition early. Ray basically wanted to keep going, but left Herb speechless. Ray plays numbers totally based on randomness. I've talked to him several times and he has shown me how he plays. He wins on a regular basis and can even consistently beat those annoying roulette RNG slot machines at the casino. As long as its random, he can beat it, all without physically looking at the wheel itself, just the marquee.
Take a look at the challenge here: hxxp: vlsroulette. com/roulette-challenge-zone/herbray/
Read every single post and watch as he climbs his bankroll from -36 to +720 flat betting.
He is still a member here but has not posted in a while. He has completed quite a few other challenges at other roulette forums, all with similar results. He did a challenge at rouletteforum. com a while back but I can't find the link.
To this day he is a regular professional roulette player without a "dayjob" as hard as that might be to imagine.
Thanks for the link
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on March 18, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
Before your time here, back when Victor ran this forum there was a member that goes by the name of Ray who did a massive 5,000 spin live roulette challenge right here over the course of two weeks.
It was done against "Herb" who was the complete non-believer in any system. He was a VB player I believe and he was basically you Maui but only 2 years earlier. Herb challenged Ray to see if he could win with his system while Herb himself called the numbers and the numbers were verified by two other respected well trusted members including Victor himself. All the numbers were previously sent to 3 different parties for accuracy and to avoid any cheating.
Ray destroyed Herb's challenge winning +720 units all FLAT betting playing only the inside numbers. This challenge was done over the course of 2 wks and eventually it was Herb who decided to quit the competition early. Ray basically wanted to keep going, but left Herb speechless. Ray plays numbers totally based on randomness. I've talked to him several times and he has shown me how he plays. He wins on a regular basis and can even consistently beat those annoying roulette RNG slot machines at the casino. As long as its random, he can beat it, all without physically looking at the wheel itself, just the marquee.
Take a look at the challenge here: hxxp: vlsroulette. com/roulette-challenge-zone/herbray/
Read every single post and watch as he climbs his bankroll from -36 to +720 flat betting.
He is still a member here but has not posted in a while. He has completed quite a few other challenges at other roulette forums, all with similar results. He did a challenge at rouletteforum. com a while back but I can't find the link.
To this day he is a regular professional roulette player without a "dayjob" as hard as that might be to imagine.
Yeah, and I took part in a 300 spin challenge on rouletteforum.net where my bankroll went from 1000 to 2865. :P
Quote from: bombus link=topic=18274. msg131723#msg131723 date=1300497848
Yeah, and I took part in a 300 spin challenge on rouletteforum. net where my bankroll went from 1000 to 2865. :P
Flat betting?
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on March 18, 2011, 10:35:45 PM
Flat betting?
Yes and no.
I did not use any progression, but I did use several levels of flat betting.
You know, less on the "basic" bets, more on the "special" bets.
And of course a few crazy bets right at the end to try and rope in the leader.
Here is another challenge done by Ray in 2008, this time on rouletteforum. net. Here he only used 3 numbers per bet and finished with a profit of +210 all flat betting.
hxxp: nolinks. rouletteforum. net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah. pl?m-1206032562/s-0/
I have also seen him win challenges betting only 2 numbers and 1 number per bet. He also has beat challenges from strictly RNG numbers straight from computer software.
Everytime he walks into a casino he wins, period. He never leaves with a loss, he stays until he can grind out a profit even on a difficult session.
sounds like you could learn from this guy.
how dose he pick his numbers ?
When you ask him that same question he says, "its Magic. "
lol
i think i know.
theres only one way to get alot of hits from inside numbers.
hes a wise one.
It's very simple. You teach yourself to read what is currently happening. The inside numbers act just like the outside betting groups. If you create your own pet sets, from the inside, then they will do what randomness always does. It all acts the same. It all goes through the same kind of changes. That's what you must learn how to observer and detect. You must find your own way to relate to what you are seeing. When I taught students there was a steep learning curve. People naturally get bogged down in the new information to become accustomed to seeing. It takes a while to get used to seeing trends. And to get used to seeing them change from type to type.
After that it takes time to get good at reacting to changes. There is only one way to do this, Practice Practice Practice. Now you can risk real money to learn this at real casinos but I recommend practice at home using practice simulations.
PS, still enjoying a harassment free, ( Cheese Free ) forum experience. To bad that pest comes back soon.
*****Everytime he walks into a casino he wins, period. He never leaves with a loss, he stays until he can grind out a profit even on a difficult session.*******
According to this statement he too encounters problems that he is not always correct in his bet selections. But that he made mince meat out of this HERB is a sign that Ray knows his business but does not elevate him to superman of roulette status Other experienced roulette players know better.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPYWINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Nathan Detroit link=topic=18274. msg131748#msg131748 date=1300511994
*****Everytime he walks into a casino he wins, period. He never leaves with a loss, he stays until he can grind out a profit even on a difficult session. *******
According to this statement he too encounters problems that he is not always correct in his bet selections. But that he made mince meat out of this HERB is a sign that Ray knows his business but does not elevate him to superman of roulette status Other experienced roulette players know better.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPYWINNINGS!!!
No one can win every bet they place, the key is to win every session and always fight to never take a loss. I always have found it interesting how someone can be just as good on a RNG slot machine as a real wheel. According to him, they are not fixed in anyway and simply produce random numbers. As long as it produces random, it is at his mercy.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on March 19, 2011, 02:57:18 AM
No one can win every bet they place, the key is to win every session and always fight to never take a loss...
Rule number 1:
Never start a session you're not prepared to devote enough time to for grinding out a profit.
Quote from: bombus on March 19, 2011, 03:31:45 AM
Rule number 1:
Never start a session you're not prepared to devote enough time to for grinding out a profit.
I would say that never ride a trend until you won and trending like most pepole is worst case scenario as you have to win twice to keep one unit flat betting (false positive).
And if you break even its not happining so there is no need to continue.
With very much pleasure I follow the discussion on this thread.I have read many statements I agree.In my manner of playing roulette I recognize the rules I use.A method suitable for real wheels and RNG can only based on maths and a lot of experience.There is much changed through the possibilities of computers. Test of large samples are done in seconds.I do these test from the born of commodor 64.
I test my strategy in practice on an internet RNG and it is very successful.My lifehorizon is not so far and perhaps is that the reason I offer my knowledge and experience.
Hi to all
Good day to all my old friends.
Have been reading this very interesting topic for a week and it it getting very active
Gizmotron how r u bro, Thank you
As of today i am still yr fan and often refer to yr tips.
Quote from Mauisunset
" I'm running a contest for the first person to make just $1 (1 unit)
in a minimum of 100 spins and if you lose you come back and try another 100 spins
and if you still can't make 1 unit profit you get another 100 spins
for a total of 300 spins just to make 1 unit.
The winner get's $25 in their PayPal account which is the prize
and the title of "I'm a for real Roulette player that makes money".
If you think the $25 is too small, well hold your own contest and pay some big bucks.
I never asked anyone to say one word about their system -
just play and since we can't see their PC screen to say what their bet was
and the running total......
To say that i did win some money from the casino is no prove.
And also not qualified to participate in your contest.
So now i submit my pre qualification
I have a testing account at Dublinbets online casino
and from 1000 i have reach 40,000.... can give u password for verification.
This is not the first time i raise it to 100k.
As every time i have a new method of beting i test in Dublinbets if i can reach
100000 k then i will use it in B/M casino
As to yr contest i will raise my 40000 to 60k by the end of the month.
or we put it this way u set up an account and raise it to 60k i pay u $50
If i win donate yr $25 to this board dont sent to me.
Thank to all.
WIN1WIN2....bets without fear many winswinswins are here.
The law of balance tell us on the long run the deviation between Red and Black is very small and the ratio R/B is about 1.In small samples the deviation can be very large.R-B will oscillate around zero in small samples ( < 250 spins).I call this feature a trend and I use it in my strategy.I know many of you do not agree.
I noticed you werent sure whether casinos cheat.....its laughable.
The word cheat and casinos should appear in the same place in a thesaurus.
Brick and mortar casinos only survive by cheating.
I have seen it and experienced it.
The only way to beat them is with this clear understanding!
Hope to hear from you!
Don
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 17, 2011, 08:37:37 AM
I've looked at these "studies" and as an engineer they make no sense to me at all!
Any test needs a datum - a point of reference. In Roulette it would be an automated Roulette table in a sealed room running constantly for years - 365/7/24 - the ONLY modification would be a sensor that would release the ball at the same point for all the testing.
If there is anything to any of these wild speculations then studying the mechanics hundreds of thousands of spins need to be the reference point. The landing number must be identical in 95% of the spins. No datum was ever established to see if any further testing is worthwhile.
Other identical bots should be running with changes to common influences on the table - heat, humidity, contaminants, and of course non level platform.
I see none of this but just the idea that a non-level wheel will be biased - a conclusion in need of a flawed test.
As an engineer, I would not accept any conclusions from these two experiments - they don't use the Scientific Method to prove their hypotheses - they are totally flawed and mean nothing.
These two tests are based on Junk Science and any conclusion is Junk....
The problem with this post and the poster's comments is that he assumes you need to calculate and hit the exact number in order to make money from roulette. What about neighbour bets? Say you can predict where the ball will land to within 15 numbers on the wheel and cover these numbers with 3 neighbours bets (£25 each = £75) you'll be paid £175. That's a £100 profit.
No system can ever predict where the ball will land as there are too many real time variables to consider. It's ludicrous to think otherwise.