WINSTRIKE 4
This is a system I so on another forum, the credit goes to john the legend for the original idea though, for this fantastic bet , I have re typed this and re named it winstrike 4. I have modified it slightly for a more playable system , the original system designer says we must wait at least 20 spins after a win before re starting a new game , I wait 9 spins , it makes virtually no difference either way which method but my method works just as good and is faster with less waiting needed before a new game.
THE Method of play :-
1, Record spins in rows of three for one or more of the EVEN CHANCES until you have 9 spins. There must be NO ZERO in these nine. Example...
HLH-PATTERN 1
LLL
HLL--NINE SPINS NO ZERO.
2, You now bet against the FIRST PATTERN forming as the FOURTH PATTERN (SPINS 10-12)
3, Using the grand martingale over a three step progression as follows 1,3,7 or standard martingale 1, 2, 4.
4, You play for ONE WIN from one to three steps, then STOP. don't play continuously
, allow at least 9 spins to pass before commencing a fresh game.
This has proved to be a very good system on both tests and real money games. I think people will like this one for sure , it wins really good (usually). :thumbsup:(LEVEL 1), 2,4,8
Progression 2 method below
(LEVEL 1), 2,4,8
(LEVEL 2), 6,12,24--STARTING LEVEL
(LEVEL 3), 12,24,48
After a win on the first game OF EACH NEW DAY. I drop to level 1 stakes and play 4 more singular games.
After a loss at level 1 I jump to level 3 FOR ONE GAME. If the lost occurred on my FIRST GAME OF THE DAY LEVEL TWO STAKES (RARE) I jump to level 3 for two games.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 24, 2011, 05:26:16 PM
WINSTRIKE 4
This is a system I so on another forum , I have re typed this and re named it winstrike 4. I have modified it slightly for a more playable system , the original system designer says we must wait at least 20 spins after a win before re starting a new game , I wait 9 spins , it makes virtually no difference either way which method but my method works just as good and is faster with less waiting needed before a new game.
THE Method of play :-
1, Record spins in rows of three for one or more of the EVEN CHANCES until you have 9 spins. There must be NO ZERO in these nine. Example...
HLH-PATTERN 1
LLL
HLL--NINE SPINS NO ZERO.
2, You now bet against the FIRST PATTERN forming as the FOURTH PATTERN (SPINS 10-12)
3, Using the grand martingale over a three step progression as follows 1,3,7 or standard martingale 1, 2, 4.
4, You play for ONE WIN from one to three steps, then STOP. don't play continuosly, allow at least 9 spins to pass before commencing a fresh game.
This has proved to be a very good system on both tests and real money games. I think people will like this one for sure , it wins really good (usually). :thumbsup:
Tested on random.org, 1000 spins showed some profit
That's PB4 from rouletteforum. cc
give credit to the founder of the system JL
The credit goes to JL for this yes. I tried a similar method but betting that the first pattern line of dozens (3 wide matrix) does not re form on the fourth line , so i play the other 2 dozens on the fourth line spins 10 to 12 , this works really good too.
Dont know why dont fancy such way of play,waiting for 10 or 20 spins to play..we all agree its random,why not track just 3,and play not to repeat or repeat depending on our taste..if its random,we are betting for a change and not really for that many High to balance the Lows..because 3,6,9, 99 random is random.
But if this is working fine for you why should you kick it.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 24, 2011, 05:26:16 PM
the original system designer says we must wait at least 20 spins after a win before re starting a new game , I wait 9 spins , it makes virtually no difference either way which method but my method works just as good and is faster with less waiting needed before a new game.
Well, if it is the case that 9 spins is a s good as 20, then after 9 spins one could start a first 3x3 matrix with one EC bet ( e.g. R/B ), then after 3 spins start a second matrix with another EC ( H/L ) and then after yet another 3 spins a third matrix with another EC (O/E ).
That way after the initial 9 spins, you are betting at least once every three pins, on alternating EC bets, no waiting.
Jeromin
Did a test on this to see how long it could go before a loss.. 301 spins was the answer! not bad :laugh:
LLH
HLH
LHH
HHH W
HHH
LLH
LHH
LLH W
LHH
LHL
LHH
HHH W
HHL
HLL
HH0
LHH
LLH
LHH
LHL --W
LHL
LLH
HLL
LLL -W
LLH
LL0
LHL
HHH
HLL
LLH -W
HHH
HLH
LLH
HLL -W
HHL
LHH
LLH
HHH --W
HLL
LHH
LHH
LLH W
LHL
LHL
HLL
LHH W
LLL
HHL
LLH
LHH -W
LLH
LLL
LHL
0LL --W
L0
HHL
HLH
HLH
HLL -W
0
HLH
0
HHH
LLL
LHL
LLH W
HHH
HLL
HHL
LHL W
HHH
LLH
LHL
LHL W
HLL
HLL
HHH
HHH -W
HHL
LLL
LHH
HLH -W
LLH
LLL
HLL
LHL -W
0
HHL
LLH
HHL
LLH W
HHL
HHH
HHL
LLH W
H0
HHL
HLH
LHL
HLL -W
LHH
LHL
HLL
LHH L
I'm wondering though seen as there are so little losses if it would be better going 1,2,3 and if in profit after that going 2,3,4 on the next game.... carrying on 3,4,5 - 4,5,6 then reset back to 1,2,3. and on any loss reset back to 1,2,3. would probably build up a fast bank without to much risk. just a thought.
Yep liberty I have hammered quite a few casino's out of money thanks to this system , money never came so easy as this :)
Getting bored of winning lol >:D
My advice is to play only the high / low only do not play any other of the even chances with this method , for unknown reasons it works much better high / low only. Some one on another forum mentioned playing 3 even chances at the same time , I tried this and it sucked . lost quickly. That progression you posted would probably work really good libertydog i will try it on real money games.
Hi Kingspin. How far into your martingale progression do u have to go? Just wondering if you could use flat bets so as not risk yout bank roll?
I am winning most games on the first or second leg , not often have I hit the last leg. I play 1 3 7 . I personally would not enjoy flat betting this. I only play with £1 chips so progression suits me. Maybe some one playing with bigger chips say £10 upwards might be worth trying yes. I think a 1. 2 4 8 16 32 would win a hell of a lot of games with this system.
1. 2 . 4. Progression for first game. Say we lose then next game we go for 8 16 32. All or nothing lol ;D
We have many old topics regarding this here at VLS roulette.
I would say 113 witch is 5 units.
I fool around with 12 one of each pattern to have a show before playing imbalance using three bets.
WWWWLLWLLWLLWWWWWWW LLL WW
Four formations.
xox
xxo
oxx
xxx
1 1 1
2 1 1
1 1 2
1 2 1 TRIGGER
1 1 1
1 2 1
1 1 1 W
2 2 2
1 1 2
2 2 1
1 2 1 TRIGGER
2 1 2
1 2 1 W
2 1 2
2 2 2
1 2 2
1 1 2 TRIGGER
1 2 2
1 2 2 W
2 2 2
1 1 2
2 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
2 2 1
1 1 1
2 2 2
1 1 1
2 2 2
1 2 1
2 2 2
1 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
1 2 1 TRIGGER
1 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 2 W
2 1 1
2 1 1
2 2 2
1 1 2
2 2 2
2 1 2
2 2 2
1 2 1
1 1 1
2 1 2
1 1 1
2 2 1
2 1 2
1 2 2 TRIGGER
2 2 1
1 1 1 L
2 1 2
2 1 2 LW
2 1 2
2 1 1
1 2 1
2 1 1
1 2 2
1 1 1
1 1 2
1 2 2
1 1 2
1 2 2
1 2 2
2 2 1
2 1 2
1 2 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
1 1 1
2 2 1
1 2 2
2 1 1
1 2 1
1 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
1 2 1 TRIGGER
2 1 2
1 1 2
2 2 2 L
2 1 2 LW
1 2 1
1 1 1
1 2 1
1 2 1
2 1 1
1 2 1
2 2 2
1 1 2 TRIGGER
2 1 1
2 1 2 L
1 2 1
2 1 2
1 1 1 LW
1 1 2
2 1 1
1 1 1
2 1 2 TRIGGER
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 2 2 W
1 2 2
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
1 1 1
2 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
1 1 1
2 2 2
1 1 2
1 2 2
2 2 2
1 1 1
1 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 1
2 1 2
2 2 2
1 2 2
2 2 1 TRIGGER
2 2 2
2 1 2
1 1 1 W
2 1 2
1 2 2
2 2 2
2 2 2
1 1 2
1 2 1
2 2 1
2 2 1
2 1 2
2 1 1
2 2 2
1 1 1
1 1 1
1 1 2
1 1 2
2 1 2
2 2 1
1 1 2
2 2 2
1 1 2
2 1 2
1 2 1
1 1 1
1 2 1
2 2 2
1 2 2
2 2 2
2 2 1
1 1 2
2 2 2
2 1 1
1 2 1 TRIGGER
1 1 2
2 1 1
1 2 2 W
1 2 2
1 1 1
1 1 2
1 2 1
1 1 2
2 2 1
2 1 1
2 1 2
1 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
1 2 2
2 1 1
1 1 1
1 2 1 TRIGGER
2 1 1
1 2 2 W
2 2 2
2 2 1
2 2 1
1 1 1
2 1 2
1 2 1
1 1 1
2 2 1
1 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
2 1 2
1 2 2
2 2 1
1 1 2
1 1 2
2 1 1
1 1 1
1 1 2
2 2 1
2 1 1
2 2 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
1 2 1
1 1 1
2 2 2
1 2 1
2 1 1
1 2 2
2 2 2
1 2 2
2 1 1
2 1 2
2 1 1
1 1 1
2 2 1 TRIGGER
1 2 1
2 1 2 W
1 1 2
2 1 2
1 2 1
1 2 2
2 2 1
1 1 2
2 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
2 1 1
1 1 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 1 2 TRIGGER
2 2 1
2 1 1
2 1 1 W
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 1
1 1 2
2 2 2
2 2 2
1 1 2
2 1 2
1 2 2 TRIGGER
1 1 1
2 1 2
2 2 1 L
2 1 1 LL TRIGGER
2 1 2
2 1 2 W
1 2 1
2 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
2 1 2
1 2 1
2 1 1
1 1 1
2 1 2
1 1 1
2 1 2
1 1 1
2 2 1
1 1 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 1 1
2 1 1
2 2 2
1 1 1
1 2 2
1 1 2
2 2 2
2 1 2 TRIGGER
1 2 1
2 2 1
2 1 2 W
2 1 2
2 1 2
1 1 1
1 1 1
2 1 2
2 1 2
2 1 1
1 1 1
1 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 1
1 2 2
1 2 2
2 2 2
1 1 2
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
W 1 +4
L 1 +3
L 1 +2
W 1 +3
L 1 +2
L 1 +1
W 1 +2
L 1 +1
L 1 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
W 1 +4
W 1 +5
W 1 +6
W 1 +7
L 1 +6
L 1 +5
L 1 +4
W 2 +6
W 1 +7
We place 2 units as highest bet once.
Here is one old topic about the principal of 1/3 nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/even-chances-system-%28variation-Steve-morgan%29/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/even-chances-system-%28variation-Steve-morgan%29/)
I am sure this fail and tank like all other systems - but I just having fun posting about it.
The first thing I want you to do is to think a little different regarding the permanence.
If you try to write down the first red you see and then the next two outcomes that follows, you would get this result.
Lets take a look at a random walk.
BBBRBRBBBB
If you take the first red here and write it down you have:
R
Now you write down the two outcomes that follow red like this:
RBR
Now we have done what I told you that we was going to do.
Now lets take a look at this and continue with this simple rule about how to gathering the permanence.
BBBRBRBBBBRRBBBRBRBBRRRRBBRBB
As you can see we get this patterns and everyone begins with a red outcome and the two that follows.
RBR RRB RBR RRR RBB RBB
This is the cycle for all the possibilities.
RRR
RRB
RBR
RBB
This is the foundation the basics.
Now we are going to make some combination regarding this patterns that are base upon series of 3.
Now we are going to make this patterns become 9 like this RRRRRBRBR or RBRRBBRRB.
I will do that later ok, for now I just want to tell you the basics. Lets continue.
The second rule now is that every time we have a red we will play only for two decisions like this.
RBB then we play RR
RBR then we play RB
RRR then we play BB
RRB then we play BR
Now think.
Here we go if we have a 12 step progression and patterns of 9 then you add the things I told you, we will playing against this
RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR
This is what we would bet against patterns of 27.
Pattern - RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR LW
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RRR W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB
RBB
RBB
RBB
RBR
RRR
RRR
RRR
RBR
RRR
LW Registry - LWWLLWWWWW
Here it is if we list all the patterns of 9 and play them regarding your method it would become random against random.
We can try this if you want and try to overcome 500.000 trails. Here is a chart from an old method :)
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg85.imageshack.us%2Fimg85%2F5940%2Fexperimentcz8.jpg&hash=83cd082392a63400ca67d1839a868e0e7f246662)
Well we can make it extreme and use a 14 step Marty a like and play against 30 that would be a lot of fun :)
Here is a short test and as you can see there would not be any need to make a progression that win at every step becuse they will shop and generat profits for the long run 8-)
LW Registry
LWWLLWWWWWLLLWWLLWLWLLLWWLLWLWWLLWWWLWWLLWWWWLWLWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLWWWLWWLWLWWLLWWWLLWWWWLLLWWLLLLWWW
Random aginst Random
RBB RR 050101 T1
RBR RB
RRR BB Play aginst RBBRBRRRR - RBBRBRRRR - RBBRBRRRR using RR RB BB RR RB BB
RBR LW
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR Play aginst RRRRBRRRB - RRRRBRRRB - RRRRBRRRB using BB RB BR BB RB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB Play aginst RBBRBRRBR - RBBRBRRBR - RBBRBRRBR using RR RB RB RR RB RB
RBB LL
RRR W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB LL
RBR LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRR LL
RBB W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RBB LW
RBR RB
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB LL
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB LW
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR 050102 T1
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RRR LL
RRR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBB W
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RBB RR
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB LL
RBB W
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBB W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR RB
RRB LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRB LW
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR BR
RBB LW
RBR RB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBB RR ---
RRB RR 050103 T1
RRB W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB LL
RBB LL
RRR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBR W
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB LW
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR
RRR LW
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RRB W
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRR LW
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBB W
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR LW
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR LW
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRR W
RBB RR
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR 050104 T1
RBB W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR BB
RRB W
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR LL
RRR W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RRR W
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR W
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBB W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR LL
RBR LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB W
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBB LL
RRB LL
RRB W
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBB W
RRR
RBR
Its is an illusion to think that you have to win at every step using a progression.
The first thing you should do is to start with 111 after that you can progress and increase your bets.
Like 1 1 1 2 3 5 and so on because you don´t want to force your self, your BR or the bet selection to gain
a profit. You should let the disperation / consentration of hits to generate a profit.
L 1
W 1
W 1 +1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
W 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +3
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +2
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
W 1 +5
L 1
L 1
W 1 +4
W 1
W 1
W 1 +7
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +6
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +10
L 1
W 1
W 1 +11
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +12
L 1
L 1
W 1 +11
W 1
W 1 +13
L 1
L 1
W 1 +12
W 1
W 1
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +14
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +13
W 1
W 1 +15
If we would pick the first example then we would play against 6 cycles of perfect balance using a 15 step fibo - with would work as a step latter where you move down on even or +1 and at - you move up.
This is just old garbage from 2008
1. 1
2. 1
3. 1
4. 2
5. 3 play until even or +1 move down two steps
6. 5
7. 8
8. 13 play until even or +1 move down two steps
9. 21
10. 34
11. 55 play until even or +1 move down two steps
12. 89
13. 115 lose half bankroll
14. ??? lose half bankroll
15. ??? lose half bankroll
16. Ops lady luck give you one kiss and Hugh ;D
Here is a twist.
If we take series of three that start with the same outcome then we have four formations.
Using it with a line of the distribution with bet selection of two series of three - 6 trails they have to repeat among 8 possibilitys.
2
1
2
2
1
1
1 W
2
1
1 W
1
1
1 W
2
1
1 W
2
2
2 L
1 L
1 W
2 L
2 W
1
1 W
1
1
Here is the STD for four sides ...
1. 0,00
2. 0,25
3. 0,69
4. 1,27
x 6 cycles using one of does examples in previous posts.
Note.
I don't play roulette systems and this is just paper work.
Quote from: libertydog on April 25, 2011, 11:05:38 AM
Did a test on this to see how long it could go before a loss.. 301 spins was the answer! not bad :laugh:
LLH
HLH
LHH
HHH W
HHH
LLH
LHH
LLH W
LHH
LHL
LHH
HHH W
HHL
HLL
HH0
LHH
LLH
LHH
LHL --W
LHL
LLH
HLL
LLL -W
LLH
LL0
LHL
HHH
HLL
LLH -W
HHH
HLH
LLH
HLL -W
HHL
LHH
LLH
HHH --W
HLL
LHH
LHH
LLH W
LHL
LHL
HLL
LHH W
LLL
HHL
LLH
LHH -W
LLH
LLL
LHL
0LL --W
L0
HHL
HLH
HLH
HLL -W
0
HLH
0
HHH
LLL
LHL
LLH W
HHH
HLL
HHL
LHL W
HHH
LLH
LHL
LHL W
HLL
HLL
HHH
HHH -W
HHL
LLL
LHH
HLH -W
LLH
LLL
HLL
LHL -W
0
HHL
LLH
HHL
LLH W
HHL
HHH
HHL
LLH W
H0
HHL
HLH
LHL
HLL -W
LHH
LHL
HLL
LHH L
Thats against the wheel.Playing with the wheel
the results would be same with Libertydog results.Any advantage and why playing against the wheel?????
To me it doesn't make a difference,neither marty it as leveler should be more safe.
Do you mind giving me a few examples on how this system goes please Kingspin?
LLHHLHLHH
Kingspins Personal System rating for this method is 9 out of 10
Step 1 , Ok twister all you do is write down the last 9 numbers spun as above but converted to there high or low status.
then bet that the first 3 numbers high low status underlined (LLH) does not match spin 10 11 and 12 . So the first bet would be 1 chip on high , if we lose then we bet 2 chips on high again , finally 4 chips on low, we are effectively betting that spins 10 , 11 , 12 do not re - create spins 1 , 2 and 3 , betting using martingale 1 , 2, 4 . or 1 , 3 7.
If we get a win which we usually do then re track another fresh set of 9 numbers and do similar type of bet as shown. Super simple but really effective system. So far I am up £1288 profit. :)
The way this system game goes in real play is basically 3 ways, I have played it a lot so I will let you guys know what problems I have come up against over many sessions , First thing is pretty obvious , the 0 sleeping for long spin sessions helps a lot! when it starts hitting pretty hard we lose and the game can become a grind to build profits. Some times sessions start out good with very few 0's hitting and profits can at times build steadily up. You seem to lose the profits to the 0 rather that a losing pattern coming out on spins 10 , 11 ,12 . One method for the aggressive players is to play continuosly (more risk but builds profits faster) and not wait for 9 new numbers to refresh, just wipe the first 3 numbers away and use the next 3. This agressive way can still make reasonable profits before a draw down happens.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 28, 2011, 08:31:38 PM
I have played it a lot so I will let you guys know what problems I have come up against over many sessions , First thing is pretty obvious , the 0 sleeping for long spin sessions helps a lot! when it starts hitting pretty hard we lose and the game can become a grind to build profits. Some times sessions start out good with very few 0's hitting and profits can at times build steadily up. You seem to lose the profits to the 0 rather that a losing pattern coming out on spins 10 , 11 ,12 . One method for the aggressive players is to play continuosly (more risk but builds profits faster) and not wait for 9 new numbers to refresh, just wipe the first 3 numbers away and use the next 3. This agressive way can still make reasonable profits before a draw down happens.
Just a couple of questions Kingspin.
First: why not simply insure against a zero, it's be 1/18th of the bet, approx., seems better whenever one gets involved with progressions.
Second: Why is it riskier to use the second and third lines, they are unused data, do not affect the first and third lines other than being in the middle. Re tracking makes sense ( assuming past events affect future ones, of course ) when the last numbers went a certain way and you need to reach "balance" again, but in this system, the second and third line are simply in the middle, their content does not affect the bet. Don't see why the original system creator retracked, instead of using them in consecutive bets to speed things up. I'm all for patience, but only when it makes sense.
Jeromin
Betting on patterns with martingale, reminds me of Roulette Bandit. So i doubt that this system is something for me.
Betting with a bit of marty is the only chance you've got of winning on RGN and fair unbiased real wheels. Proove us right?
Kingspin......r u still playing with tis system???Hows it is going on???
I am playing this system yes , it works better on wheels though , I have seen ladbrokes rng's defeat this system lately. I use the software posted on roulette forum .cc. John the legend says not to play this system on rng and i have to say he his right , rng does not work consistently with this system.
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TRACKER:
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/coding-for-roulette/(release)-patterns-tracker/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/coding-for-roulette/(release)-patterns-tracker/)
Kingspins,How much do u win n stop for every session?
The target profit i would be pretty happy with is about 20 - 30 chips won , i play with £5 chips , draw downs will come should extended sessions be sat. You can re-cover losses back but then you will be sat playing all day ;D
Thanks for sharing your modified system.
Three questions:
1. When we start spinning and track the High Low in order to record the High Low. In between the 9 spins shows up a zero. What to do? Start all over again? and track new 9 numbers? or just add another spin?
2. After a win on first line, the systems calls for a stop. Then we start spinning 9 times. What happens if a zero shows up during the 9 spins? Start all over again or just add an additional spin?
3. Once we win on the first line. Do we spin for 9 times. Then we start another 9 spins and we track the High Low?
Meaning we now spinning 18 times and the last 9 spins were tracked for High Low.
Thanks,
John
Thanks Kingspin.I used this system the last 3 days with profit.I had a hard time when losing on 2 sequences,that meaned losing 21units using marty 1 2 4,I recouped the lost with 4 winning.
I found it a better system compared to betting red black with neg progression which many times killed me.
It taught me patience.
I played Rng Playtech. :thumbsup:
Three questions:
1. When we start spinning and track the High Low in order to record the High Low. In between the 9 spins shows up a zero. What to do? Start all over again? and track new 9 numbers? or just add another spin?
Kingspins answers question 1 :- Should the 0 show while tracking then re start the tracking. The house edge will influence the out come to loose .
2. After a win on first line, the system calls for a stop. Then we start spinning 9 times. What happens if a zero shows up during the 9 spins? Start all over again or just add an additional spin?
Kingspins answer to question 2 :- The o is the win killer , tracking 9 numbers must not have a 0. The 9 numbers to be tracked after a win must be clean of the house edge 0.
3. Once we win on the first line. Do we spin for 9 times. Then we start another 9 spins and we track the High Low?
Meaning we now spinning 18 times and the last 9 spins were tracked for High Low.
Answer to question 3 , no just 9 times tracking
Quote from: Kingspin on May 07, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
Three questions:
1. When we start spinning and track the High Low in order to record the High Low. In between the 9 spins shows up a zero. What to do? Start all over again? and track new 9 numbers? or just add another spin?
Kingspins answers question 1 :- Should the 0 show while tracking then re start the tracking. The house edge will influence the out come to lose .
2. After a win on first line, the system calls for a stop. Then we start spinning 9 times. What happens if a zero shows up during the 9 spins? Start all over again or just add an additional spin?
Kingspins answer to question 2 :- The o is the win killer , tracking 9 numbers must not have a 0. The 9 numbers to be tracked after a win must be clean of the house edge 0.
3. Once we win on the first line. Do we spin for 9 times. Then we start another 9 spins and we track the High Low?
Meaning we now spinning 18 times and the last 9 spins were tracked for High Low.
Answer to question 3 , no just 9 times tracking
Kingspin,
Thank you for your prompt response.
John
Your welcome jrhelp , i am happy to give tips that can help members here to win. It's a passion helping others to win! Maybe we can "bust" a few casino's maybe ;D
Kingspin,
With your system to make the money, the single bets should be a large bets.
Example I'm planning to bet $10 or $25 on High or Low with a progressive of 1,2,4.
I'm thinking if I hand up with a progression step, I'll investing "insurance" on the single zero. Another words if my bets are $50 or $100 on the High or Low.
Since the straight zero pays 35:1, when I have $50 I'll place $2 on the zero. When I place $100 on either High or Low, I'll place at the same time $3 on the zero to secure the bet.
Question to you:
If I stay on the same table or machine for a long period of time based on your experience and the design of your system, am I facing a loss?
Shall I set up a goal stating, if I win 10 units regardless of its value, I should quit this table? Look for another table?
Again thank you for "POWERFUL" system.
John
Is your system geared and designed to deal with the America Roulette tables? Meaning zero & Double zeroes?
Did you try to test your system on that type of table.
In the US. all the Casinos are running the American tables except for the PIT where a single zero is used. But the minimum Bet is $25 and on the weekend $100.
I can't sit there and not play for 9 spins and a worse condition if a zero falls in between the spins.
Dealer and Pit Bosses expect you to bet almost every hand.
Thanks,
John
I noticed that no one responded to I have Cookies. Is it because of the obtuseness of his posts, or do you guys disagree with his ideas?
sam
Jr help , quick answer here , as I have proved to my self before, playing american roulette on even chances must be the worlds worst roulette bet , The house edge is incredible , betting on 0/00 is futile over the long run as the house edge remains the same. I am lucky to have euro wheels to play, casino's which I am milking day in day out .
Some casino's don't even accept my bets now due to my consistent winning. On american roulette I lose much much more than I win. I am betting with £1000 chips now and am going for it, becoming rich from roulette at last.
I have to go now to my local casino to win a few more thousand. Winstrike 4 is making me rich :thumbsup:
I might be buying my first casino very soon ;D
Just WHO held a gun at your head and made you play the 0/00 wheel when your infinite wisdom has told you that the single 0 is already in your favor ? :diablo:
Thanks for the entertainment factor.
N.D.
Kingspin,
For the single zero Roulette:
With your system to make the money, the single bets should be a large bets.
Example I'm planning to bet $10 or $25 on High or Low with a progressive bets of 1, 2 and 4.
I'm thinking if I hand up with a progression step, I'll investing "Insurance" on the single zero. Another words if my bets are $50 or $100 on the High or Low.
Since a "HIT" on the straight zero pays 35:1, when I have a bet of $50 I'll place $2 on the zero. When I bet $100 on either High or Low, I'll place at the same time $3 on the zero to secure my bet.
Two questions to you:
1. If I stay on the same table or machine for a long period of time, based on your experience and the design of your
system, am I facing a loss in the long run?
2. Shall I set up a goal stating, if I win +10 units regardless of its value, I should quit this table and look for
another table or Casino?
Again thank you for "POWERFUL" system.
John
@jrhelp007
I think its a good idea that you use a "safe bet" covering zero.
I also think if you are going to use Martingale I think you can play with higher stakes then after a win lower you bet size - is a better option - my opinion.
Note one good thing about high / low is that you can play the lines using the minimum bet size.
So if 10 is minimum for even money bets then around 2 for the lines.
Regarding zero so does the common strategy just ignore it - as if you have Low and was going to play Low again and zero strike - then you would just accept it and still bet Low again - repeat what your main aim was from the beginning.
It is also common that same strategy apply for any bet selection.
I don't understand the strategy Kingspin wrote about - but I am sure you can have alot of fun playing short burst of Martingale and gain some profits.
Cheers
Hi, Kingspin!
Can you tell me about your system more detailed? I'm don't understand your system.
One more question. Can yau tell me about your daily and monthly bankroll? What is your life with roulette money profit? What are you bought for that money? Sorry for this small detailed questions, but I want now how do live with all this. I want too live good.
Thanks, loveya.
;D lol that last post is hilarious ;D i am living like noel edmonds ;D
;D
Mot likely, NOT a female.
Ken
Why be afraid of one or two zeros? Why to hit always the wall with the forehead? It must be a painful experience.
Those really smart one bring it on higher level: on Baccarat bet B/P, on Craps bet Pass/Don't Pass, on SicBo bet small/big. No zero effect on those! We have to think like energy does in the nature: choose always the smallest possible resistance and the shortest way from the point A to the point B. Energy knows all the shortcuts!
I won twice with Bermuda Triangle Baccarat game on DublinBet online casino.
Cheers Hermes
I tried an old method of Ronjo's which uses 18 numbers , played double streets, and it worked very well.
Group 1: 1-6, 13-18, 25-30
Group 2: 7-12, 19-24, 31-36
If you apply the same rules it works great. just another avenue.
CD :good:
Quote from: Clothdog on May 11, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
I tried an old method of Ronjo's which uses 18 numbers , played double streets, and it worked very well.
Group 1: 1-6, 13-18, 25-30
Group 2: 7-12, 19-24, 31-36
If you apply the same rules it works great. just another avenue.
CD :good:
With all the respect you're interjecting another system while we are discussing Kingspin's system.
Please remove your entry.
John
Quote from: hermes on May 11, 2011, 02:57:28 AM
Why be afraid of one or two zeros? Why to hit always the wall with the forehead? It must be a painful experience.
Those really smart one bring it on higher level: on Baccarat bet B/P, on Craps bet Pass/Don't Pass, on SicBo bet small/big. No zero effect on those! We have to think like energy does in the nature: choose always the smallest possible resistance and the shortest way from the point A to the point B. Energy knows all the shortcuts!
I won twice with Bermuda Triangle Baccarat game on DublinBet online casino.
Cheers Hermes
Hermes, you're missing the point.
If I'm betting $100 high or low based on Kingspin's system. When I'm using the progression of 1, 2, 4 I'll not risk $400 to be taken out by 0 and be down $700. So I place $12 of the zero for that spin. There is nothing wrong to place a $12 dollar on zero.
John
My opinion is if I bet Low my enemy is High. If 0 comes I will take it as High.I lose not only because of 0.
I never bet 0.
Cloth dogs idea should not be discounted or tossed aside , actually it should in theory hold up pretty much the same as winstrike 4. The only difference is we are playing three 6 number groups which is of course 18 numbers using double streets in place of high low. I will try this out later this week and play for real money and report back if I lost or won a bucket full of money. :)
Whoa John, slow down there mustang! A little testy perhaps? :aggressive: You'd think I just slandered this post. :rtfm: Thanks King :good: Good luck with it! You're right. I'm not interjecting any other system. John is way off the mark. :nono: I'm just using a different 18 number set and in NO way do I discuss Ronjo's method of using those numbers in his sytem. BTW, I could take any 18 numbers and apply the same principle.
cd
Loveya is begging for money off me now ;D
Time to say good bye guys... :-X
So that is loveya intention?
I noted that 3205 viewed this thread.Thats great.I also always search this thread when I open the site.
So far I am still making profit.As I used to be the R/B player,during the tracking 9 spins I bet R or B ,many time double my profit,several time my bank roll was wiped out.
My conclusion is ,Kingspin system never wiped out my bank roll because it is buffered by the 9 spin,after the 9 spin the table behaved better.
Whilst the R/B with martingale no stop,must always double up when lose,that killed.
This also answer to loveya who asked me how I won using Kingspin system.
Bravo Kingspin!
Betting on zero is the same stupid insurance as betting insurance on BJ. Ask professionals if they bet insurance on BJ?
Zero is just one missed spin. When you bet red and next spin black comes it is the same loss like when would zero come, isn't it? But zero doesn't come so often as black! Rather bet insurance on black comes more often. Ha, ha, ha...
If you bet progression and are high with bet and zero didn't come for 20 spins bet the insurance but not each spin.
Zero should come once in 37 spins, black 18 times. I know zero comes more often than the probability but we can do nothing about it.
2 days ago at SmartLiveCasino on roulette every 10th spin came zero! I email them and gave them a shit. They just apologized that it doesn't happens often that frequent zero appearance!? BS.
Hermes
Kingspin you are winning with this system. You said you use a 1, 3, 7 progression, do you just stop at 1,3,7 and start a new game with the same progression or something different?
Level 1 can be played 1 3 7 slightly dangerous this but good if you get a good streak of wins..
I will play 1 3 7 and if I lose level 1 then I simply double the chips.
So if I was playing with say £1 chips at level 1 then get unlucky and lose then "level 2" I will play with £2 chips at a progression of 1 3 7. This is safer than a straight progression follow through which results in massive amounts at risk on bad games. Martingale scares me. I tried 1 2 4 BUT to be honest I am greedy and like the 1 3 7.
Hermes can advise really good on these type of bets and which is best for this system as many progressions could work. Which ever progression any one plays with this system I found it to be a real grind but still a very good bet if you have a lot of patience. I played this with £100 chips and won a bundle but now I play smaller chips at £20 per chip. I tested this on real play with £1 chips but you win peanuts for long hours playing..
QuoteQuote from: birdhands on May 08, 2011, 07:10:43 PM
I noticed that no one responded to I have Cookies. Is it because of the obtuseness of his posts, or do you guys disagree with his ideas?
Sam
Well my opinion is that my post based upon same principals the year 2008 "the original" is much better.
Cheers
Hi kingpin
have have tried this system and loss a couple of times so i changed it to to betting that the three letter pattern would repeat, and this showed some profit
can u explain to me if this is good or destroys your system altogether
oh and wat casino do you play to get 25p
This method of play looked so good to me I did quite a bit of testing with my 10000 spins book and it looked really good.
DAM THE LUCK. First time i play it for real I lost the first 3 bets so several spins later I play at double the money lose 3 more times at that level. Then once again I try it and lose 3 in a row again.
One thing that I noticed in testing and it happen to me on 2 of the sets of bets, seems like a lot of the losses come when there are 3 like outcomes. 1st 2nd 3rd spin H H H or L L L. Did anyone else notice this in there testing or play?
Quote from: bigtim08 on June 06, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
This method of play looked so good to me I did quite a bit of testing with my 10000 spins book and it looked really good.
DAM THE LUCK. First time I play it for real I lost the first 3 bets so several spins later I play at double the money lose 3 more times at that level. Then once again I try it and lose 3 in a row again.
One thing that I noticed in testing and it happen to me on 2 of the sets of bets, seems like a lot of the losses come when there are 3 like outcomes. 1st 2nd 3rd spin H H H or L L L. Did anyone else notice this in there testing or play?
Well I understand where you coming from - the first crucial misstake using "Pattern4" is that you increase you bets.
The second misstake is that you should not play once against one formation.
The third misstake is the random variable is all wrong.
My opinion.
Quote from: I have cookies on June 07, 2011, 03:53:35 AM
Well I understand where you coming from - the first crucial misstake using "Pattern4" is that you increase you bets.
The second misstake is that you should not play once against one formation.
The third misstake is the random variable is all wrong.
My opinion.
@bigtim08
You see 1/8 is easy no matter if you pick the previos three or nine previos three.
If you play against or with the previos three you have 1/8.
i could not agree more
why you not play if the first outcome is same, play for opposite
if opposite, play for same.
also try collecting the spins with a static rule or random walk. . .
ie. play first 9 outcomes against next. . .
i posted some detailed advice on this on other forum already but it does not seem to get any attention. . . dont get why!
just my 2 cents
Cheers,
AL
Quote from: albertojonas on June 08, 2011, 12:57:29 AM
I could not agree more
why you not play if the first outcome is same, play for opposite
if opposite, play for same.
also try collecting the spins with a static rule or random walk. . .
ie. play first 9 outcomes against next. . .
I posted some detailed advice on this on other forum already but it does not seem to get any attention. . . dont get why!
just my 2 cents
Cheers,
AL
Your cents are very worth,Alberto...as that is the only way.....except that am betting after 6 virtual and never against.
Why with.Cause of one side dominance.
can you post a clear example?
Cheers,
Al
Well look at previos three with any combination.
RBR
Now if you play same and win you can play oppiste once as it is 1/8
Now if you play against you lose and play then same is 1/8
Is as close you can get towards some kind of educated guessing.
RBR BBR RRB BRB RBR BRB BRR BRB BRB RBB BRB RBR RRR RRR RBB RBR BR
Lets assume you allways play oppisite using previos three and stop at win and if a lose play same then it would look like this
WWWWWLWLWLWWWWLLWLWLLLWW If you play around with it then there is no random walk that beats it.
So it does not matter if you pick oppiste or same as your first bet - if it lose you should play oppsite toward what your first bet was.
Quote from: medo on June 18, 2011, 06:45:13 AM
Your cents are very worth,Alberto...as that is the only way.....except that am betting after 6 virtual and never against.
Why with.Cause of one side dominance.
Cause one side dominance is a false postive regarding this - the only constant thing about even money bets is present change and no other higher strike rate can be achived then capture does.
Quote from: albertojonas on June 18, 2011, 06:53:59 AM
can you post a clear example?
Cheers,
Al
Are you on skype--flat
Quote from: albertojonas on June 18, 2011, 06:53:59 AM
can you post a clear example?
Cheers,
Al
Its simpel what i wrote above is the very best random walk that exist or let it put it like this - get the chance to avoid 1/8 twice and win.
mediba`s calculation to hunt elephnats:
How to Hunt Elephants -- Comp Sci Style
Computer scientists hunt elephants using algorithm A:
1. Go to Africa 2. Start at the Cape of Good Hope 3. Work northward in an orderly manner, traversing the continent alternately East and West.
4. During each traverse a. Catch each animal seen b. Compare each animal caught to a known elephant c. Stop when a match is detected.
Experienced computer programmers modify Algorithm A by placing a known elephant in Cairo to ensure that the algorithm will terminate.
:yahoo:
It sounds nice Nathan...but you always complane or make a joke of it but when do you come forward with something what the MEMBERS can use............
Happy winnings
John Rotterdam
Quote from: Ginger on June 18, 2011, 04:17:05 PM
It sounds nice Nathan...but you always complane or make a joke of it but when do you come forward with something what the MEMBERS can use............
Happy winnings
John Rotterdam
The members are not interested in my methods which I am successfully playing for the past 31 years. They won`t
like the discipline associated with those methods.
If you would research the archives you would find some of methods which I published during the time of Victors tenure as owner of VLS.
You don`t know how many individuals I have given hints on the subject of winning at roulette. Just alone within the past 10 days.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
P.S. I also live in Rotterdam . ----------Rotterdam, N.Y. USA
OK , I take my words back than , I am only a member and beginner ( green horn ) for over 6 months I think.
I will take your advice and do some research the archives.
Shake hands Nathan.
Happy winnings
John
Quote from: I have cookies on June 18, 2011, 08:15:40 AM
Its simpel what I wrote above is the very best random walk that exist or let it put it like this - get the chance to avoid 1/8 twice and win.
i was directing to medo.
and yes i endorsed that conception as well.
ths i have cookies
I have cookies,
Looking at the last ten results RRR RBB RBR BR we had three loses different,same,same at RBB so we continued betting same on the next series for a win on the first R of RBR now if we would had a different result BBR and loss that first bet is the next bet still same or do we bet different?
Quote from: Pappy2 on June 20, 2011, 04:21:37 PM
I have cookies,
Looking at the last ten results RRR RBB RBR BR we had three loses different,same,same at RBB so we continued betting same on the next series for a win on the first R of RBR now if we would had a different result BBR and loss that first bet is the next bet still same or do we bet different?
The first bet is not mechanical and is a close you can get towards educate guess.
The second bet is mechanical as it allways is opposite towards what your first bet was.
You follow the previos three or you bet against the previos three with our first bet.
If it lose you will play oppiste toward what your first bet was.
You will have chop of winnings and loses - but at least you have the odds 1 in 8.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 24, 2011, 05:26:16 PM
WINSTRIKE 4
This is a system I so on another forum, the credit goes to john the legend for the original idea though, for this fantastic bet , I have re typed this and re named it winstrike 4. I have modified it slightly for a more playable system , the original system designer says we must wait at least 20 spins after a win before re starting a new game , I wait 9 spins , it makes virtually no difference either way which method but my method works just as good and is faster with less waiting needed before a new game.
THE Method of play :-
1, Record spins in rows of three for one or more of the EVEN CHANCES until you have 9 spins. There must be NO ZERO in these nine. Example...
HLH-PATTERN 1
LLL
HLL--NINE SPINS NO ZERO.
2, You now bet against the FIRST PATTERN forming as the FOURTH PATTERN (SPINS 10-12)
3, Using the grand martingale over a three step progression as follows 1,3,7 or standard martingale 1, 2, 4.
4, You play for ONE WIN from one to three steps, then STOP. don't play continuously
, allow at least 9 spins to pass before commencing a fresh game.
This has proved to be a very good system on both tests and real money games. I think people will like this one for sure , it wins really good (usually). :thumbsup:(LEVEL 1), 2,4,8
Progression 2 method below
(LEVEL 1), 2,4,8
(LEVEL 2), 6,12,24--STARTING LEVEL
(LEVEL 3), 12,24,48
After a win on the first game OF EACH NEW DAY. I drop to level 1 stakes and play 4 more singular games.
After a loss at level 1 I jump to level 3 FOR ONE GAME. If the lost occurred on my FIRST GAME OF THE DAY LEVEL TWO STAKES (RARE) I jump to level 3 for two games.
sorry i didnt understand..
your example is
HLH-PATTERN 1
LLL
HLL what do i play next?
Hi Kingspin,
Im new to the forum and found your system very interesting i have used it a couple of times and it hasnt let me down, so far ;)
You have used it alot more than me and its been 2 years since you posted the system, could you please tell me if you still play it or if you have found a better one.
:thumbsup:
JS
I won a few hundred chips using this method but i don't recommend any one play this bet. This is a "ledgend system" which means you will loose all your winnings. :D
Ok thanks for replying. Then I wont get to exicted even if it still works...
What is the best system you have tried so far?
My old favourite of course which most of the veterans on here have heard me preach before - CPR ROULETTE.
A superb system for the player with 1k bank to play 1 dollar chips.
another bet that is one of the few bets that wins often is mr j a full street must hit. - v good..
So few systems can win consistently and i have tried thousands literally.
proof readers victor 1 which if played correctly i like , it wins but i dont have the patience usually. Underated this one from prooofreader
it's worth a play.
Thank you for your reply Kingspin, saves me and others alot of time of testing and failing.
I still find winstreak very good:-) I will now test Mr J´s street II system. Keep up the good work Kingspin, helps a lot :thumbsup:
JS:-)
Hello Kingspins,
thank you for all your interesting postings.
One question: Where can I find the CPR Roulette System?
Thx
Nexus
nolinks://download.saliu.com/roulette-systems/CONSISTENTPROFIT.pdf (nolinks://download.saliu.com/roulette-systems/CONSISTENTPROFIT.pdf)
Just google it and click on this link.
Hi Kingspin
Thanks for posting the link; I tried and played it with real money and I'm + 50 units in a relatively short period of time. Are u or other memebers still playing this system. For me it's one of the best system I'm playing and is a real winner.
Cheers
Chris