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Title: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: W7 on May 07, 2011, 12:58:43 AM
Yo Earthbounds,   :yahoo:

  I am sooooo blessed !    :good: ... Just to be alive is a Hoot !  :angel:

  I have been taking the Harraha's junket Flights, Monthly,  from Fresno, Ca. or Bakersfield, Ca....  to the Harraha's property in Laughlin, Nv.

   They are great ! .... free flights, free food and free rooms.... I .just have to  pay for my  gambling.    I am going to post my last few  trip reports here, on this site.

  I need to introduce myself.   I worked for law-enforcement, in Ca. for 33 years and when my boss said to me , in 2004...

" Jim we were looking at your personal employment file, do you know that you can make more $$$ staying home than working ? "

   To which I replied, ' stunned '......." Can you give me 20 minutes to clean-out my desk ? "

    .....So, I  did it.   Retirement....is..... great !  :yahoo:

   Since I retired, I have had 6 open-chest surgeries at the Bajanor Hospital , just across the US-Tijuana Border, in Old Mexico.  

    I spent all Summer ( June to September 15th ) recovering from having my stomach split open and throwing  my blood three feet out into my US Doctor's office.   He would NOT help me !   He told me to go back to my Surgery Doctor.

     So,  I took Amtrak back to Old Mexico by  holding my stomach together, with my right  beet-red blood-soaked hand,  and in shock, with blood draining down my  inside-thighs and filling my shoes with blood from my open stomach,  I boarded Amtrak for the 450 mile trip back to Bajanor Hospital in Tijuana in total shock !

   The most awesome thing happened when,  after 4 Month's  recovering  at Bajanor Hospital,   I  was told by Dr. M. that I was going to be released to go home the next day....Sept. 15th.

        I asked for my bill for the  4 Months  Hospital  stay, the two extra chest surgeries and  the Hospital van taking me to Rosarieta Beach, 2-3 times a week,  to sit in the  Beach sand and watch the Sunsets and the  herds of rental horses run in the  surf.    I was told :

   " Jimmy, THERE IS NO BILL.... YOU WERE OUR GUEST. " ....

      Stunned, I asked why no bill ?   Dr. M. stated....  " Because we try to help people here. "

  When I told my local US Hospital ER/RN what I just typed,  she stated :.... " Four  Months at a US Hospital would have cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars ! "

......jesssssss ......  The US Healthcare  System is Super Broken  !

  I wrote a 44 page article on my adventures of leaving the US for my healthcare needs in Mexico, and the local  Newspaper ( The Fresno Bee ) put it on the web.  

  I checked  Google, weeks later, to see if any Newspapers picked up my story  and   I was stunned !  I saw it printed in S. Arabia, India, CNN Mexico and even in Alaska !

  John Stossel read it and called me to NYNY for an interview for his upcoming 20/20 show... " Sick in America. " It was about people who  bypass the  US Healthcare System, by leaving the United States for their  Healthcare Needs.

     The ABC  News National  Network, when I returned from my NYNY interview,  stated, by telephone,  they wanted to send a film crew with me, if I ever returned to  Bajanor Hospital  ?

  So..... I made a phoney check-up exam-appointment at Bajanor Hospital.   I  took the local ABC  TV station's film crew and the NYNY ABC's film crew with me on a travel-log type treak back to  Bajanor Hospital.

  You can view my video story by going to Google and typing in... " JAMESDODDKFSN30 "   The  tape will come up on the first page at the top of the search results.

  Moving  On :

   I have developed a way to win at Craps.  It involves using several proven Craps Systems, all at once.  It HAS generated 4-figure $$$$ in my last 3  junket trips.    

   I ran my systems in  back-testing for 10's of thousands of real, recorded rolls  using Zumma's Craps System Testing Book  ( 35,000 rolls ) and the 14,000+ roll  book..." 72 Hours At The Craps Table. "

  I also am using the GBC book ... " Craps. "  It has hundreds of recorded rolls from Vegas's  DT  Casino's as well as Strip Casino's  (C. Palace and the Hilton).

  I believe in giving back..... this thread  is my  give-back gig.     :pleasantry:    I will post here several times a week.  

  I have found that gaming without doing at least a 20 minute " Demo " of  " RAPID-EYE TECH.  "  WILL result in gaming failure, in the long run.

 RET is a system that removes faulty running programs from the hard-drive  running on your brain's computer.

   I first saw  RET, years ago,  on a 60 Minutes program that Dan Rather did.  At the time, I said to myself ... " Damn, that might work ! "   :good:

  He said  RET really works because, when the RET-TECH. drags ithe wand in frount of your eyes, at a brain-wave matching rate, the wand fools your brain into thinking it is asleep.... and your brain DUMPS all past, screwed-up ( just  under your waking  Con. ) running programs.

  Programs like ... " When you grow-up you will NOT amount to anything. "   With RET ...that one goes away in seconds !  :whistle:

Well, I have got to go now....I will post the RET web site on my next post...

Party On....   :yahoo:

Jim

END OF PART ONE
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on May 08, 2011, 09:28:20 PM
Yo,  Carbon-Based Units   :yahoo:

      I just finished back-testing, for the day,  using  " ZUMMA'S CRAPS SYSTEM TESTING BOOK " to the 8,000 real-recorded rolls  area.

I have NOT had a losing game in the  65 pages of rolls recorded at  the " FOUR QUEENS  " and the " GOLDEN NUGGET,"  in DT Vegas !  :dance1:

   However, much more important than gambling is RET.  You need to do  at least a 20 minute " Demo " session of  Rapid Eye wand work.   It will turn you into a super-focused Gambler.  It will give you the intensity of.... Phil Ivey...the poker player.

   Anyway,  on March 4th,2000 I drove 260 miles to San Francisco for for the "  WHOLE EARTH EXPO. "   It was  being held DT in the block-long Convention center, just off the Bay Bridge.  I took the  Army Street exit and bamm ! ....I was there.  :good:

   I had web-booked for  three  days at the  old WW11,  Baker  Army Base.   It is located. on the Pacific Ocean, off the North-end of the Golden Gate bridge.

   I had a $25.00 ticket to attend a session  by James Von Praugh ( Talking to the Dead ) at 2:30PM.  I had an hour to kill so I drifted through the 450 booths on the main floor and I came upon a older man sitting on a high bar stool with an Angel- bowl on his lap.  The sign above his head read... " RAPID EYE INSTITUTE..... Do a 20-minute demo of RET for $20.00. "

    I had the time to kill so I gave the man the  $20.00  and thought to myself .. " Well, we will see if Dan Rather was right ?

    I have been " mentally messed up " all my life.  This was  do to being raised in a family that  acted-out  ( just like the TV show ... "All In The Family " )  by yelling and screaming all day and night long.

     Being held in the air by my right arm, at age 5, and beat with a leather belt and being almost killed, at age 4,  by being on the ground and being  kicked, over and over.... did a number on my head.   :nono:

  The female RET Tech. was very nice.  She asked me one question...."What would you like to talk about ? "  Come to find out it was a loaded question because she was fishing for an opening to axcess my hard-drive of my brain with her in-frount-of-your-eyes wand.

   Her  wand went back and forth over my eyes as she said to blink-blink and let my eyes follow the wand.  The wand fools the  Human brain into thinking it is  asleep ....thus....releasing trapped tension from the  past....Pressure-cooker  like tension is also released from our past lifes,  at the same time !  :dance1:

   When my 20 minutes was up, I walked out of her booth a new Human.  The fog and rain I was viewing my reality though stopped !   :good:    I  was able to see without viewing  my reality around my eyes  fog and rainwater !  ...SUPER COOL !  :shout:

  I gave my event tickets to a bag lady on Army Street and headed for my car.   As I was walking to my car I caught myself saying.... " You walk by putting out one foot in frount of the other. "    When  I got to my car I stood  next to the driver's door and  with the key in my hand, I  said to myself ... " You put the key in the door to open up the car. "

   I was totally drunk by having my brain re-wired.....re-wired as it was intended to be from my birth !  :yahoo:   :yahoo:   :yahoo:

  I drove home with the biggest smile a Human has had !  :pleasantry:  Free at last, free at last !   :yahoo:

  I did 12 hours of RET in the next year. I would drive the 2 1/4 hours to San Luis Obispo, Ca.    The 2-hours sessions were great !  :biggrin:  

      I was blown away after each session because I could only drive 45 minutes back before my brain would come close to  shutting down.   I  would stop  behind a  coffee house, next to its dumpster,  off Freeway 101 and  lock my car doors, with me inside,  and drifted off as the my brains  circuit-breakers  kicked-off.  

      Fourty-five minutes later, I would awake as a new person.   I would often step-up to the fruit stand, off the Highway 41,   to view the fruit idem's.   I was like a 5 year old kid...awed by the fruits colors.    The colors became  sooooo strong as  they imprinted bright colors on my brain.    :dance1:

     The results of doing RET gave me extreme focus.  I was suddenly effortlessly doing my work and the work of my co-workers as well.  

  My 82 year old mother was fighting with my younger Sister.  I asked her if she would go with me to SLO and sit and talk with a RET Tech ?  She said yes....so.....I took her to my RET Tech. in San Luis Obispo, Ca.

  At the end of her 2 hour session, she came out of the office and the first thing out of her mouth was ''' " I wish your Father was still alive because RET would have really helped him. "   Her  next sentence was ... " If you are alive, on the face of the Earth, you need to do a session of RET. "

   Taking my Mother to an RET session was the most satisfying thing I have ever done...in my  life !   It cleaned her brains hard-drive of her bogus, useless running programs.     She took  her new-improved-Soul-Imprinted  hard-drive ( brain ) with her when she  was called upstairs.   :angel:

    If you go  to the  Rapid Eye Institute's web site and click on, on the upper left side, the .. " Find a RET Practitioner in your Area " box it will give you a World-Wide RET Tech. map.   Click on the US map and go to your State for a TECH in your area.

   Once you do an RET session,  your life  will be changed for the good ....forever...even  beyond this World  !  :yahoo:

 RAPIDEYETECHNOLOGY.COM

  Well,  I will get started with posting the nuts and bolts of the 4/10 system on my next post.

      Thank you for viewing my posts.   I spent 4 Months in a Tijuana, Mexico Hospital  ( Bajanor Hospital ) in 2004 and it saved me 100's of thousands of $$$$.  I wrote a 44 page article and I  ended up talking with John Stossel, in NYNY,  for his 20/20 Program... " Sick in America. "

     It  can save you mega-bucks to  leave the US for your Healthcare needs.....details to follow

Party On,  :good:
Jim

     

 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on May 10, 2011, 09:37:06 AM
Good Morning,

PART THREE :

 Well, Rapid Eye work is now excepted by the State of Oregon, Education Department and the US Military is reviewing results for  its  US Military ....stay tuned.

  I met the founder at the  San Francisco  Expo and had quite a talk with her.  Her name is Racine Johnson and she lives on a 6 acre Blueberry farm outside of Salem, Oregon.

Her 4 year old  boy was autistic and she had a hard time making contact with him....so...she prayed and prayed.

  One day as she was praying,  a White-lite came into her home and all the tables, chairs, etc...disappeared !  :o

 She said the White-Light told her how she could help her son and other  World-bound Primates by using  the  RET process.   :clapping: :yahoo:

  Using the RET system  she developed, her Son is now grown and has his own apt. and is holding down a full-time job !  :ok:

  I am studying  to be a RET TECH.  I plan on doing  Pro-Bono RET wand work.

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The 4/10 System  :

  I developed this system to exploit the 2 to 1 advantage the game of craps gives to the player.   When the 4 or 10 show up, as the point,  DP and DC  lay-betting the points of 4 or 10.    It is a very simple System :

 WHEN THE POINT IS SET AS A 4 OR 10 .....I USE A 3 OR 4 STEP NEG. PROGRESSION to overcome my losses.

   I use a base-bet lay-bet of  $100.00..." No 4 or No 10.    I only allow for 3 back-to-back wins because in back-testing 1,000's of rolls, I have found a loss is lurking after the third  straight win.

   I  back-off the 4th  4/10 point set-up ....  to a $50.00 lay-bet.    I  am waiting for the  upcoming loss.  

   When it does happen,  I lose the $50.00 lay bet.   I then come back on the next 4 or 10 point withe the $100.00 lay bet and start the process all over again.

  When I lose the $100.00 lay-bet,  I wait for the next 4/10 point to set-up and lay-bet it for $300.00.  This second 4/10 point  bet wins,  most all the time.

  If it fails, and I lose it too, I STOP BETTING on the  upcoming 4/10 points until I have had 2 non-betting wins in a row,  before lay-betting the next ( 3rd 4/10 point ).   That bet is for a full recovery of the -$400.00 loss.

  This means making a $800.00 lay-bet on the 3rd 4/10 point set-up.

  I have  recently found that NOT betting  the full  $800.00 is an option.  Using   Mr.  Harry Gay's... " 77 Craps System "  is  a  super-way to quickly recover the lost $400.00.

  On my next post,  I will lay-out Harry Gay's ... " 77 CRAPS SYSTEM " and Steve Neill's..... " 2,3,11,12 CRAPS SYSTEM "  and post  real-recorded dice outcomes using all 3 Systems, together.  

  I will post  examples  to the 10,000 roll mark out of the ..." ZUMMA CRAPS SYSTEM TESTING BOOK. "

END OF PART THREE :

Party On....  :yahoo:
Jim

 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on May 13, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
YO, Carbon-Based Units...   :pleasantry:

  I have modified the betting part of the "  4/10 Lay Betting System. "  I now use $75.00 as my starting bet.  

   If the point of 4 or 10 comes back... I  lose the  $150.00.  Then, on the next 4 or 10 point set-up I  make a recovery bet of  $300.00.

  If I win the $300.00  bet,  I  revert to the  BASE-LAY-BET of $150.00.  

If I lose the second lay-bet,   ($300.00 ) I ..." STOP BETTING."... and wait for two back-to-back winning bets to  pass-me-by   before betting $900.00 " no 4"  or " no 10"  on the next 4 or 10 point  set-up.

Jesssssssssss, it is un-canny how  stepping over 4/4's and 10/10's , even in a chop-chop pattern, leads to   " Clustering-  together-in-clumps  of 4/7's  and  10/7's !    

    I have found, in  my extensive back-testing  of 50K real recorded, back-to-back  rolls, of the 4's and 10's as points, that  the  2 to 1 DP or DC odds win-rate  that the craps-math  game was set-up favoring  the DP/DC player really shines after a 4/4 or 10/10 outcome  :good:

 Below are the back-tested results  using  the  " New Improved "   4/10 Lay Betting Craps System for the first 100 pages of  the "  Zumma Craps System Testing Book. "

  I used  Mr. Gay's  " 77 Craps System " and John Patrick's " Richocet " as a  Craps Pre-Betting-kill-off-the C/O 7 from hurting the DP/DC players  along with the 4/10 system.

   I also used Mr. Nelli's  " 2,3,11 and 12 Craps System " by waiting  for bet-triggers,  to be tripped.

 The results  were blow-me-away-with-a-feather awesome !  :yahoo:

  I  am breaking  down the posting of the 100 pages into groups of 10.
=========================================================================

PAGES :........ROLLS :........COMPOSITE TOTAL TIME :........TOTAL COMPOSITE $$ GENERATED :.......$$$ ( HOURLY )

1-10..................1,092...................11.36 Hours......................... + $ 5,915.00................................... + $520.00

11-20................1,581...................13.43 Hours......................... + $ 6,814.00................................... + $507.00

21-30................1,233...................11.27 Hours......................... + $ 4,729.00................................... + $421.00

31-40.................1,194................. 10.85 Hours......................... + $ 4,564.00.................................. + $420.64

41-50................ 1,222................. 11.11 Hours......................... + $5,537.00.................................... + $498.38

51-60................ 1,278................  11.60 Hours.........................  +$6,765.00....................................  + $583.00

61-70................ 1,638................  12.50 Hours.........................  +$5,902.00....................................  +$472.00

71-80................ 1,203................  10.99  Hours........................ + $5,356.00.....................................  +$487.00

81-90................ 1,295................  11.78  Hours........................  + $5,074.00.....................................  +$426.48

91-100.............. 1040.................  11.32 Hours.........................  +$ 4,526.00.....................................  + $435.00

  It was a monster project, tabulations went into the wee-hours of the morning.....but..... a labor of discovery.

 I am dedicating this project to my deceased Father, who once, during a beekeepers convention at Harraha's Lake T. , called me 500 miles away to ask me.... " Jimmy, how do you win at gambling ? "    

   I did NOT know what to tell him because I did NOT have a good answer.   ::)

  Guess what I would tell him if he asked me the same question today ?  :yahoo:

Thoughts ?   :good:

Jim

 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on May 15, 2011, 06:08:06 AM
Good Morning.... Earth-bound, White-light's   :clapping:

  I have been comparing different ways to step-over loses using the above  systems.

 To me,   stepping over loses is the key to long-term winning.  Years ago, I was fooling around on my computer and came up with a 5-step, double-up progression.

  I ran to over  a few, on-line,  play-for-fun Casino RNG programs.  I found that Playtec Software ( RNG )   seemed the most random....so.... I used Casino's that ran Playtec Software.   There are dozens of them, on the web. ( Google for a list )

   At the +$7,000.00 web-testing-win-mark, I quit testing  and took $1,200.00 out of the bank and boarded a 12-hour turnaround Vegas-bound gaming bus.  It takes 6.5 hours to get to Vegas from were I live in Ca.

   The first stop was in Primm Nv.    I began  playing roulette at Whiskey Pete's.  I was very up-tight about using real $$$ for  a  computer  tested  system.  My  system was to wait until a min. of four blacks, or reds, hit back-to-back  and then start the progression the other way.

   My first  bet  after 4 Blacks showed was .... $25.00 Red.... I lost.... -$25.00. ...My next bet was $50.00 Red.....I lost.... -$50.00.....next up $100.00 Red......I lost.... -$100.00.....jessssss I was pissed !.......My next bet, with shake in my hands, was  $200.00.  The goofey pit-critter-kid was mocking my betting.....how much I was losing stuff.

  Well, with a dry mouth, I pulled back the + $200.00 win.    That  win resulted in a net of +$25.00.

  I told the older tour guide gal  that I did not want to spend the next 4 hours in the Primm Casino's and  I made plans to meet the tour bus in Vegas.

  I  then took the employee's shuttle bus the 45 miles  to the  NYNY Casino, on the strip.  The tour bus was to meet  me there in 5 hours.

   The game was on !     I  would drift and chart  6 Roulette wheels. ....... When my system set-up I would use a 50.00,100.00,200.00,400.00  and 800.00 betting-spread for my progression.

  I felt on-top-of-the-World !    I never sat down.   I would spot-bet my progression between sitting players.   It went great  until the last of my 43 plays that night.  

  At 2:00AM the bus first call to board the bus  had just been broadcasted over the Casino's speaker system  as I entered my last progression and it went :

-50.00
-100.00
-200.00
-400.00

  I was thinking how the wheels were coming off my system as I put 8 black chips on BLACK.   The ball skip-dropped  into the red and then raised-up and  jumped left...into a  black-slot !

  The 44 plays netted....+$2,200.00.    I was  all-smiles as I boarded the bus !  A super-good experience !   :yahoo:

   In the next  six  12 hour turnaround  trips, I ran my $1,200.00 start-up kitty  up to  + $12,000.00.   :pleasantry:

  On the 7th trip, I got killed and gave back - $6,000.00.   That put doubts into my mind as to the long-term  win prospects  for my system and I quit using it shortly after the $6,000.00 loss.

  Anyway, I  am using  a progression very-much like the above system to back-test the 4/10 Craps System.  We will see if it has..."  legs " after I chart the 35,000 rolls  in the "  Zumma  " book and the 14,000 rolls in the  " 72 Hours at the Craps Table " book.

 Stay tuned.................   :agree:

 Party on.......   :good:

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on May 17, 2011, 11:39:53 PM
Yo...  :pleasantry:

  Of the Craps Systems listed, the best is Mr Gay's  ..." 77 Craps System "  played with  John Patrick's " Richochet Craps System."

   It is best  because when two 7's show up ...back-to-back or  seperated by NON-BOX NUMBERS  ( ,2,3,11,12,)

, there is a higher probability that the next play will 7-out.

  When the  "77 Craps System"  sets-up it is best to use the Ricochet Craps System to protect your DP or DC bet from the

C/O 7 knocking-off your DP or DC bets.....and Boy- O'-Boy ......does it ever work !    :yahoo:

  The Ricochet is very simple to use.  When the two seven's show-up you scan-back the recent recorded rolls to see which

of the box numbers  ( 4,5,9,10 ...exclude the 6's  &  8's ) have Not come up  the longest.

 We use that number to lay-bet a 100% hedge  to protect  our DP and DC  line bets.  When the DP or DC bet travels to the

just est. point, we take down the hedge bet......Presto ! ....a 100% hedge against the CO/7  from hurting us.

    When the point knocks-off our hedge bet.....say we have a $100.00 lay-bet prior to the point being set and a $50.00 bet

in the DP box.

         The 10 comes up as the point knocking off our $100.00 hedge-bet......but.... the $50.00 DP line-bet travels

to the 10 ( The 4/10 are the hardest numbers to make as points ) and I always take full odds on the points of 4 and

10....so..... we put a 6x odds bet ( $300.00 )  next to our $50.00 DP bet and wait for the outcome.

  More times than not, ( 2 to 1 odds in our favor )  the 4 or 10 will not be made.....7-out !   That covers the -$100.00

hedge-bet-loss and leaves us with a net-win of .....+$ 100.00 !   :haha:

   Today,  using all the systems, I have been back-testing  real-recorded dice throws from the book.... " 72 Hours At The

Craps Table. "

The results in 5 and 10 page skips :

Page #'s at far left :

5]....... +$ 1,500.00
10]..... +$ 1,441.00
15]..... +$  2,056.00
20]..... +$  1,122.00
25]..... +$  1,016.00
30]..... +$  1,347.00
35]..... +$  716.00
40]..... +$  889.00
50]..... +$  1,862.00
60]..... +$  858.00

  I will be gone starting Thursday to Sunday.  I am taking the Harraha's  MD80 to their Laughlin Property for the May Junket flight.    I have been taking these junket -flights, Monthly, for 18 Month's.

Free flight, free room, free food.....what's NOT to like ?  :yahoo:

  I will be diagraming exactly what  moves I make,  in my next post.  :rtfm:

Thoughts ?  :lol:

Jim

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: bombus on May 18, 2011, 12:33:33 AM
Go get 'em Jim!

BTW, thanks for your posts.  :)
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on May 23, 2011, 10:34:26 PM
Yo, Carbon Units....  :clapping:

  Thank you for your above post !  8)

        I am back from the Friday to Sunday, 100% Comped, Harraha's Junket-trip from Fresno,Ca. to the Harraha's Laughlin property.

   I will never do a week-end Junket trip again.    The weekends now bring in  too many drunks that seem to never leave the craps tables and drunks seem lucky at the craps tables.

  We arrived late...at 11:15PM ...PST.  I did not get my luggage until 1:00AM... Sat. morning.

  I went down to the craps table and raked in + $385.00 by 5:00AM.

    However,  I need to have a craps outcome within 5 seconds to make the four systems work well together.  That did not

happen......too many players had come to the table....older players  who made all kinds of prop bets....thus almost stopping the game.  

  It took 3-4 minutes to get the dice to roll.......way to long.....so....I took a taxi to the Colorado Belle Casino and played BJ.

   Back at Harraha's,  the craps table turned hot and I lost two 4-4's back-to-back in my second craps session.  

 I  had a hard-time gettting the systems to set-up.... slow table play by soooo many prop-bet players !   :angry2:

      On my last session, on Sunday afternoon, just prior to boarding Harraha's shuddle bus back to the Bullhead City,

Arizona  Airport, I bought in for +$1,000.00 and in 25 minutes, I ran it to  +$1,400.00.  :good:

   That resulted in ; ... "Color- coming- in " at 15 minutes prior to boarding.

      It pissed me off !  :nono: ....not having enough time to fully exploit the run.   The  table was full of players  doing the prop-bet thing.

   The dice finally  came to me.  I was  at Stickman #1 ...left.    I rolled  the dice into a  V-2  set with the the 1-3 facing me.  
    I  sent the dice left...to the end of the table,  hoping the 4 or 10 would come up  as  the  point and the 10  DID  come  up as the point !   :yahoo:

     I had a $15.00 DP line-bet and  I took full odds ( 6x ) at + $90.00.    I also Lay-bet against the 10 for an additional

$100.00.  I told the boxmam that I was right-handed and I was having problems  throwing  the dice left-handed.  

  I wanted to throw the dice  from the just-opened Stickman right #1  position  but the boxman  would NOT let me go to

that spot until my hand was over.......so..... I was stuck.  :nono:

   I set the dice with the same V2 set I used to bring up the point of ten.    There was an old post, over on Heavy's old site,

that stated  the easy-way to bring up a 7 is to set  the dice with a  2V set and open the dice up  1/8th of an inch ( The

wedge is split-open  closest to your body and  the joint farthest away from your body, is left tightly closed ).

   This set is locked-in by placing your thumb side-ways across the open wedge-joint closest to your body and holding the

back-joint-top  together  with a light top-edged pressure-grip over the back joint.

 Man-O' Man shooting this from my  left-handed-arm was strange.  :swoon:

     I locked the set  and lifted the dice just off the table and in a really quick move,  I flung them to the end of the table....

      The pit-table kid to the left of the boxman, said :   " Seven-out...pay the Don't "   :yahoo:

       I have practiced this   "double-pitch-set "  to bring up the seven, at home,  and my last practice  session brought-up

the seven six times in eleven rolls !  :shout:

   The trip was  jaded by some of the  110 juncket players.

    I like talking to to them when we all are headed to Laughlan because they are giddy and happy.  :dance1:  :haha:  :lol:  :shout:  :yahoo:

     But.... I do NOT talk to them on the return flight home....unless they engage me.    Most of them lose alot of $$$

and they act like they will bite your fingers off if you get to close to them.

       Sad stuff..ie:....relying on luck to make you a winner.   :punish:

  I arrived home  at 9:30PM  and  I was up at 6:00AM this Morning and  I was off to my local Indian Casino..... "The Palace Casino.com. "

 I played BJ using Martin Silverthorne's  most excellent "NEURAL SYSTEM. "   I have been using it since 2002.

   Martin Silverthorne ( a Public  Accountant from New Mexico )   ran his Neural System  through an Art. Intell. Computer

for 1.2 Million times.    The Computer learned and corrected its mistakes ......as it played.  :yahoo:

   The morning  of our flight, on Friday, I went out to the Palace Casino.   I have a  pre-set win-limit of +$200.00.

    I left the Casino when I reached it. ( + $218.00 )   It only took  35 Minutes to get to my win limit.   :pleasantry:

   This morning it was + $210.00 in just over an hour !  :o

    The Palace Casino  had a  3 foot by 5 foot color picture of me  they  posted next to their Southern Cash Cage.

     It was on the Casino's wall for over 18 Month's  and they also put a 5" by 7" picture in the local newspaper with

the caption :  " James... A Real Player. "...... nice !  :good:

 This trip generated just over 4-figure $$$$.  Much less than I had planned.....but....I'll take it !  :give_heart:

  Well,  I requested my large color poster  picture from the Casino this morning.

I have not heard anything....hummmm ?  :blink:

Best Regards,
Jim


Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on June 06, 2011, 03:20:57 PM
Fellow 25 Watt-Light-Genarating Beings,   :thumbsup:

I have been back-testing a "  NEW " even-odd betting System.  It  was set-up to work  on Baccarat, Craps and Roulette.

  I need it for our local Indian Casino Baccarat tables.    The min. bet is $10.00 to +$300.00 on "  THE PALACE.COM's "

Baccarat tables.

  This system is two systems.  You can bet into a  6 or 9 step system.  It starts with 3 flat bets...T-1-1, T-1-2 and T-1-3....$5,$5 and $5.

   Anytime you win a bet you leave it up and try to parlay it into a win......lose it... you go up to the next  betting level .

  When you lose the first three bets...you move on to T-4...( $15.00 ) ..lose it ....up T-5 betting.....( $25.00 ) .....lose it

...up to T-6....an  8x base-bet....( + $40.00 ).

     These bets....T4,T5 and T6,  DO NOT get a parley after a win.---With a win off T4,T5 or T6, you drop down one

level.......win it ........you revert to base-unit betting at T-1-1.

  Lose all 6 bets, you move up  to ....T7,T8 and if needed.....T9 betting.   These last 3 bets have the same rules as the

T1,T2 and T3 ( parlays after a win and reverting to T1 betting after a parley win......AFTER  you go back to T4 ( It is called a T4 " MASTER BET" ) and win it at that level ).

  The  Author  claims to have tested this system over  1,000,000's  of computer runs.......hummmmm ?  :swoon: :o :pleasantry:  

We will see how it holds up in real Casino play.  I need more faith ...so... I will  back-test the hell out of  his System.....stay tuned......  :rtfm:

    He  claims a 94% win rate !   :yahoo: :good: :dance1: :rtfm: ;D :) :haha: :lol: :dance1:


  I am starting to get things together for the  4-day, comped,  flight at the end of the Month, to Harraha's Laughlin

Property.  I am addicted to the Flights.  I have been taking them each Month for last 18 Months. :pleasantry: :shout: :) :yahoo: :dance1: :good:

  As stated, I will go over the start of .... " 72 HOURS AT THE CRAPS TABLE"  ( Page #6 ) using Harry Gay's ..." 77 CRAPS

SYSTEM" and the  "4/10 CRAPS SYSTEM " with a  "  FREEBE" System" the..... 2,3,11,12 CRAPS SYSTEM " from  the

$3,000.00  "NEW" Craps manual that  is a hit  with some  OLD-TIME Craps Players, in Vegas.

  I first  heard of Harry Gay when he posted a " VEGAS TRIP REPORT "  on John Patrick's  gambling board.  What set-me-off was  Harry had extreme, back-tested,  faith in his system.

     So much so that he said he was moving to Vegas to play it full-time !  :swoon: :o :pleasantry: :yahoo: :good:

  He  laid-out his System in a post on JP's board on  6/19/10 :

   "  I play a DC system similar to JP's ..."RICHOCHET CRAPS SYSTEM."   My betting signal is when there are no repeating box numbers between 7's.   I lay-bet against the number that has NOT come-up the longest ( 4,5,9 & 10 )."

   " I put one-unit in the DC box after the point is set.  When my DC bet travels, I take-down the 100% hedged, lay-bet."

    " If my DC hedge-bet gets knocked-off, I wait for another set-up.  If I get hit with a YO, I replace it only once. "

" When I get a come-out DC craps to roll, I come down on my lay-bet because I have won one-unit on the series,  I then wait for another set-up.....My stop-loss is 3 units....not counting the $$$$ I lost on my lay-bets. "

  I do not see the logic of ......NOT BETTING ON THE C/O ROLLS ???   I find I miss-out on the" POINT-7-OUT's"  if I only use the DC box as my main way of setting-up the ...." 77 CRAPS SYSTEM. "   It makes NO  good logic to me ?  

Am I missing something ?   :clapping: :scratch_ones_head:

END OF PART #1........

Party on.......
Jim


Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on June 12, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
Yo.... White-Lights,   :good:

 Page #5 from ZUMMA's CRAPS SYSTEM TESTING BOOK is a book with  35,000+ real, back-to-back,  recorded rolls from the  FOUR  QUEENS  and " THE GOLDEN NUGGET " Casino's,  both in DT Vegas :

The first play is ....7...3...7...10,10

   When 7...3...7 hits we quickly scan-back- on-our-recorded rolls and find of the 4,5,9 and 10...the  4 has NOT come up the longest.

      The four becomes our 100% RICOCHET SYSTEM  hedge number.....so......we put a put-bet of 100.00 on the " NO 4 " and we put 50.00 in the DP Box.

  The 10 comes up as the point....so.... we take down our 100.00 " NO FOUR " hedge bet and I we wait for the outcome.

   The 10 comes back ! .....so.....we lose our $50.00 bet and we wait for the next set-up.......

  The next set up goes :

  7...7...6,10,4,7..........

  After the second 7 hits....we scan-back and see the 9 has NOT come up the longest ( 18 rolls ) so....we  will use it as our hedge against the C/O 7 from knocking-off our DP bet....

  We  LAY-BET 150.00 ON ...."NO 9 " and put 100.00 in the DP box and wait for the point to roll.....

   The Shooter rolls a 6 as the  point.    I alway 100% hedge-out points of 6 and 8.....so...... I " PLACE BET" the 6 for +$96.00 and at the same time I leave-up my $150.00 hedge bet on the 9.

   I then put 100.00 in the "  Do Not Come" box and wait for the next roll to happen......

    The next roll is the 10 ...so.... our 100.00 DC bet travels to the 10.  We take-down our 150.00 " No 9 " hedge-bet and wait for the outcome......

A  4 rolls next...then a 7-out.    It gives us a 100.00 net-win which results in a + $50.00 total net win for the first two plays.

  This is the way I now play, however, you can get alot of $$$ invested in playing my systems.

  I am back-testing the " NEW " Baccarat System I wrote about above.   I finished shoe #150 this Morning.



  THE AUTHOR MAKES THESE CLAIMS :


....My Baccarat system has an almost 94% win rate.

....You will be able to set-up a reliable 100% $4,000.00 a day income playing baccarat with just a $20.00 investment !

....Working no more than 10 hours a week, you will able to pull-in an income of +$20,000.00 or more !

.....You will get all the critical information you need to BEAT EVERY VERSION OF BACCARAT OFFERED TODAY !

   His system works on all 50/50 games of chance.....Baccarat,Craps and Roulette.

 MY BACK-TESTING IS GOING BETTER THAN  EXPECTED.

 Below is my last Baccarat shoe I tested,  this Morning.  I  lost 59.1 % of my bets.   :diablo:

    A completed game is a win of 8 units.  I use $10.00  base-betting units because that is what our local Indian Casino uses as their base-betting units :

-10
-20
-30
-50
-80
+70
+80
+30
-10
-10
-10
-30
+50
+30
-10
-30
+50
-30
+50
+30
+10


  The game ended with an 80.00 win ( 8-Units ).   :pleasantry:

  I lost  59.1% of my bets  but still pulled-off a game ending 8-unit win !  :yahoo:

Thoughts ?
Jim








Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on June 14, 2011, 04:58:01 AM
Good Morning ......

   I  got the flight flyer for  Harraha's  July junket flight yesterday.  I called the air-program and I was told... " IT IS SOLD

OUT " .......Hummmmmm.... the flights are NEVER full.

   I was told I could go on the " STAND-BY " list.    

They really DO NOT LIKE  player's to win.    :diablo:

   In the above Baccarat  Manual, there is a chapter on how to rat-hole chips so the  personal-player-tracking gets

messed up.   I will  rat-hole chips,   from now on.  

However,  it might be to late.    :rtfm:

   I am going to use TC's  Baccarat system, this AM,  at our local Indian Casino.  It should be interesting because I am just

coming out of my Seasonal  funk.

   It finally stopped raining here last week and I am recovering from the effects of  accidentally killing a just graduated MD,

from UCLA,  when I was attending  College of the Sequoias.... our local  JC College, years ago.

    The Doctor  was only 28 years old and he had two 6 and 7 yr. old kids.

     I was working   weekends, in a College student  work program as a ski-lift operator and short-order snack bar cook at

the local  WOVERTON Ski Area, in the S. Nevada Mts.

   It was late Sunday afternoon and it was  starting to lightly-snow.   I was the only employee left, at the ski area, and  as I

was driving the 4 miles  to the office  I saw only one  car parked in a pull-out  area,  to my left.   I had my

window down so I could inhale the light snow.

    I heard two kids, in  blood-chilling  Primal-Screaming  saying...   " DADDY GET-UP !..... DADDY GET-UP ! " over and over

they chanted those words.

   I pulled into the parking lot.    I saw  a man laying in the snow some 40 feet down the ravine from the parking

lot.     I ran down the path and I  freaked-out  as I approched the Doctor laying in the snow.  :o

   I  was so shaken that I left my car in the snow covered parking lot and  I  ran up the road 1/4 mile to the US Forest

Service Station.   I told quickly blabbed to  a young Park Ranger, the situation at the turn-out.

      He had me jump into his green Forest Service truck and we swiftly drove to the site.  The kids were still screaming at

their  father.... super-sad-stuff.

     The Ranger told me to go up to his truck and get a clear  mouth-insertable, plastic air injection  tube from the back of

his truck.   I did as  he instructed me.

     The  Ranger inserted the tube into the Doctor's  mouth and the Ranger   got into a pattern...1-2-3  as he injected air

into the Doctor.

It did not work....so.... the Ranger told me to hit him in the chest.  

   I held my hands together as I  raised them over my head and came down on the Doctor's  chest.  It did not work.

    The Ranger yelled.... " Hit him harder ! "

   I was so jacked-up,  on fight-flight natural  Human drugs,  that I hit him.... altra-Super-Hard !   :o

       So hard...that it pushed his now broken ribs into his liver and  lime-green bile flowed into the Ranger's  mouth as

the Ranger was coming down on the Doctor  with another air injection stroke.   :blush2:

      The Ranger quickly threw-up, in the snow,  and he rolled his body, over and over,  as he  repeatedly up-

chucked, expelling  the inhaled  green bile.

      The next day, the  Visalia Times Delta,  local newspaper,  said  the 28 year old Doctor died of natural  causes.  I do

not think so ?

   Every year since this happened,  when Winter rolls in, I NO NOT  look up at the Mts. where the above happened.

A   mental black-funk-cloud  comes over me. and  it does not lift until good weather sets in when Winter is finally over.

  Please DO NOT do what I did.  

Go  and get properly trained in CPR.

Jim



   

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on June 19, 2011, 02:09:18 AM
Yo, Fellow Earth-White-Lights,

  Well, I have been to the local Indian Casino 3 times since my last post and  Baccarat and Blackjack  are going great !

   TC's ( 94% win-rate )  system is working like a Swiss Watch !

    My last shoe was awesome !

 I really like the way this system  changes betting-sides after  2 loses, in a row.   If the first

bet  after the 2-losing bets and  switching  to the winning side, loses....the system, again, switches  betting sides.... BACK

to the prior betting-side.

        You stay with the previous losing  betting-side until you lose 2 more back-to-back

bets......then the System has you  switching betting-sides,  to the  present winning-side for the next bet.  

      It follows  winning streaks.   :yahoo:   :thumbsup:

      The last shoe I played  had   12 Player wins,  in a row !   I  was betting  " Bank "  when the streak

started.  The System  switched   me to betting " Player " after I ate the System's  two losses,  on a row.  :clapping:

       I made my 8-unit, game-ending wins,  in short order !  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

         The previous  shoe  shows the math-power of his system.    On the way to winning 8-units, I lost 6 of the system-

required  Parley-bets out of  the 7 parley-bets  in  the game !   :good: :good: :good:


  Today, I stayed home.  The local Indian Casino has the air-cond.  blowing cold air on the gaming tables....not good.

           I have been running the..." 4-10 Craps System "  using  Zumma's  book today.

       So far,  so good... I am up into the   +3,500 real-recorded -rolls-area....looking good !   :whistle:  :yahoo:

       Thoughts ?

Jim






Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on June 23, 2011, 08:27:40 PM
Yo, Fellow 25-Watt Gyro-run  Human Power Plants,

 Well, the Harraha's jet lands Sunday at FAT. ( Fresno-Yosemite Air Terminal ) for the June flight to the Laughlan property.

    I will be using Harry Gay's    " 77 Craps System " and the " 4/10 Craps System"  as my bread-and-butter Craps plays.

  I will also  be using Trace Cooper's   " NEW "...." TRI-POWER BACCARAT SYSTEM "  in real roulette play.

  I paid $100.00 for his system.  It works on 50/50, flip-of-a-coin Casino Games...Bacc.,Craps and Roulette.

Promo From Page #7 of his System..............

 " Trace Cooper's  Amazing Discovery :

  Trace Cooper is the originator of...  "TRI-POWER BACCARAT. "   It is based on the Power-of-Three.

 Trace is an engineer-statistician who does consulting  for aerospace companies and develops models to determine possible failure rates for jet engines.

........Trace has developed a theory that patterns of three control the game of Baccarat.

    For instance, there are three possible outcomes for each round of Baccarat and each round will  result in the Banker or Player hands winning or in a tie.

  Trace explained that most Baccarat  players assume that two-based systems can beat the game. For example, a system which assumes that a decision will repeat or will chop is really a two-based system, since only two decisions are being considered.

  Trace has discovered what he calls a " quantum leap in performance " can be attained by using three as the base instead of two, as the base.

 He further stated that using his Three-Based-Approah provides a more accurate way in determining where to place each bet and how much to bet on each round. "

  As I stated in one of the above posts, there are three levels of betting and tree levels of rules governing bet placements.

THEY ARE :

T-1-1.....$10.00
T-1-2.....$10.00
T-1-3.....$10.00
===========
T-2-4.....$30.00
T-2-5....$50.00
T-2-6....$80.00
===========
T-3-7....$70.00
T-3-8....$100.00
T-3-9....$140.00

  I used $10.00 as my base-bet because that's what our local Indian Casino uses.  A completed game is an 8-base-unit win.

  Trace's manual, page 54, uses a $5.00 base betting System :

Group 1 Bets.......T-1 Bets.........5 5 5
Group 2 Bets.......T-2 Bets.........15 25 40
Group 3 Bets.......T-3 Bets.........35 50 70

 He then launches into the rules of play.   The rules are not hard to learn.   On my last real Casino Baccarat game it went :

Running net-totals ( $$$$ ) :

1 ].....= +10
2]......Parley bet win = +30
3]....= +10
4]....Parley bet loss =...+20
5]....+10
6]....Parley bet loss = +10
7]....-10
8]... -10
9]....+10 = .... Zero...0
10]....Parley bet loss = -20
11]....+10
12] ... Parley bet loss  -30
13]....+10
14]...Parley bet loss....-40
.................
29]....Parley bet loss = +40
30].... =....................  +30
31].... = ...................  +20
32]....  = ....................  +50
33]....  = .....................  +80

 Game ended with completed game ...8-unit win !  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :dance1: :good:

   However,  I lost 6 of my 7 (  system-required ) Parlay bets ! ....but.... Cooper's recovery system stepped right ovet those massive losses !   :sarcastic:

 How sweet is that ?   :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :dance1: :dance1: :dance1: :good: :good:

Party on,    :pleasantry:  :yahoo:

Jim  ;D

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: John Gold on June 23, 2011, 08:39:19 PM
Hello Jim,

I love reading your posts. Always informative and good fun.

Keep on winning mate  8)
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 02, 2011, 06:58:24 AM
Yo, Mr. Gold, All.........

  Back from Harraha's Laughlin Property late Last nite.  

    The ..." Trip from Hell "  as far as mid-day heat went.  :diablo:

      It was 115 degrees two days ago at 3:00PM and it did not make any difference if you were on the Colorado River or not.....hot....hot....and hot !    :angry2:

    I about died from the temp.   I did my regular thing.....taking the Don Laughlin free River shuttle boat from his Casino to the ... " BAT. "  bus ( Bullhead City, Arizona Transit Bus )  to the awesome " NEW "  Wal-Mart Supercenter located 6 miles South from the boat docks.

       I bought stuff for the refrig. in my room at Harraha's  ( Fried Chicken, Sodas, etc... ).    I asked the people on the bus what they did wrong in their previous Lives to be forced to live in Bullhead City, Arizona ?   ....lots of luck.   :skull:

  This trip was interesting.  I used Trace Cooper's Baccarat System with real $$$ and I would often just chart the Roulette numbers off the running scoreboards and run them as if I had been playing, at that table.

     It awed me how when I was the only player at the Roulette table  the 20-somethings would show up in-mass.   Their chatter caused me to lose focus and it resulted in a - $177.00 loss at one session.

   TC's System worked well.  In fact, at the Colorado Belle Casino,  I made my 8 game-ending  bet ( + $ 125.00 ) at it had a neg. effect on the pit boss.  

 TRANSLATION :

  " You are NOT  allowed to take $$$ from this Casino ! "   :diablo:  The look on his face said it all.....you would have thought I had killed his dog !  

  The LV Sun newspaper says the Casino's are chocking to death with debt.  Harraha's along has Billions $$$$ of notes due in the near future.

  Anyway,

    I did have the one loss.  TC's System says it has a 94% win-rate....hummmm ?   I would put it at near 80-85%.

  The manual says to cut-off a game if the game suddenly changes.... well, it did more than once cause me to leave the game.

 The game outcomes went ...starting on Monday, June 27th,  at Harraha's.  All 8-Unit-Winning-games were $15.00 base-unit games.  Eight units @  $15.00 = +$120.00.

      Without moving to Nevada,  I am NOT going to generate meaningful ( buy a new car or house )  $$$ using $15.00 Units.  

 Therefore, today, I have been back-testing my Flip-of-a-Coin, 50/50 System... " Three Same-Way Outcomes, in a row,  then " Capping" by an opp. decision.  When that manifests , it starts the progression with the object to win only one-unit.

I am using a 5-step Double-Up Progression ....100,200,400,800 and the fifth-step @ 1,600.00.

 A loss of the  base-Unit game's ( $100.00 game ) 5-Steps, will bring on a recovery game :  $300.00,$600.00,$1,200.00 and $2,400.00.

  In the recent past, I used ...50,100,200,400 and 800 units in Vegas and I ran my +$1,200.00 gaming kitty to +$12,000.00 in five 12-hour Vegas turnaround bus trips !    :blush2:

 The 3+Capping System will be listed off the real  trip generated Roulette numbers & listed to the far right :

  TC's System ........................................................................Three+ Capping System......... outcomes :

27  TC System plays  = + $100.00......................................-100, +200  = + 100/+100/+100...Total Net = + $300.00.

13  TC System plays  =  + $110.00.....................................+100/+100/ +100  .... Total Net = + $300.00.

14  TC System plays  =      $50.00...................................... + $100/+$100............Total Net  = + $200.00

15  TC System plays  =     $105.00..................................... + $100/+$100............ Total Net  = + $ 200.00

  I  updated the above .... 3+Capping System today   ( Added the Capping Rule ).

  I WILL post the Zumma Baccarat and Roulette Systems back-testing results here, on this board.

  Startin Kitty = + $7,700.00

..Ending Kitty  = +$9,020.00   :pleasantry: :shout: :yahoo: :good: :agree:

Thoughts ?
Jim

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 03, 2011, 12:37:43 PM
Good Morning,

  Jessssssssssssss....was I ever wrong !   Thank goodness for back-testing !  :rtfm:  

     I was  using a $100.00 base-unit betting system  in the  " Three + Capping System. "  

TC's  System works on  50/50, odd-even,red-black/high-low/Pass-Line and Do-Not Pass Line and Player-Bank betting.  

  I was wrongly  using a $15.00 base-unit betting progression  on  Trace Cooper's Baccarat System.

  At Harraha's Laughlin this last trip it would take forever to get a scoreboard full of recorded spins because the 20-something's would scatter chips all over the Roulette board.....so...... I would drift over to the Roulette wheel every 30 minutes, or so, and record, in my notebook, the  scoreboard's  spun numbers.

    I would take these numbers  to my room and  run them over TC's 9-step Baccarat System.   They   :yahoo:NEVER  :good:  failed to produce a profit !   ;D 8) :o :clapping: :yes: :dance1: :rtfm: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :good:

   The pit-boss, at Harraha's,  took interest in my charting....so.... I rat-holed chips and told him ... " Boy, I lost my ass at craps last night. "......just another dreamer crying over his lost $$$$$ .....hummmmm ?

 It worked.  :thumbsup:

    I was sick the whole trip.  I had been table-sawing  at home ( adding a 3-foot privacy extention to my fence) and I had a wooden, toothpick like, chunk of wood  slip into the bottom of my foot.  

     I did not know what was wrong but I had an increasingly hard time walking as it swelled into a puss ball.  I thought it was an abrasion do to my new Kelso-Earth flip flops.  

    Yesterday, I tried twice to go to my MD's office....closed !  :diablo:  

    So..... I bought Epson Salts, Triple Antibiotic Cream and I would draw the infection by putting the bottom of my foot on the streets hot, black asphalt.

   I almost went to the ER at our local Hospital....then  I caught myself because I remembered how they charged me + $ 2,600.00 for two qts. of IV water !  :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

       I took lineman-dike  plyers and forced the jaws into the bottom of my foot and extracted the wood pieces...jessssssss !  .... the pain !    :'(

    It worked ! .....no more mental-drifting due to the infection !  :yahoo:

    Cured  by ... Self-admin. -Tool-Box -Surgery !    :good:

   I am recharging my internal batteries today.

     I will post  the Baccarat  shoe  ( #20 ) from Zumma's 600 real-recorded Baccarat Shoe System Testing Book in my next post.

  It generated a + $1,400.00 profit !    :yahoo:

 Jim
PS:  Coming home from the gym last night, along side the road, my hair stood on end and I developed goose-bumps at the site where a 16 and 19 yr. old ( local males )  where thrown out of their pick-up and killed recently.

    I saw them standing on the side of the road after they were killed and put in the ground.....so.... I drove up to them and in extreme pain  ( do to my back-spasming from the event )  I told them ..." GO TO THE LIGHT, YOU WERE KILLED IN AN AUTO ACCIDENT ! "

  Presto ! ...the 16 year old  and the 19 year old  were instantly gone !  :angel:  

My goose bumps stopped, my hair returned to normal and the most horrible back pain...... STOPPED !   :thumbsup:

     Now,  my body tells me they are back !   They are hanging around the site of their road-side deaths....hummmm ?  

    The site is full of crosses, candles, solar-powered lights, motorcycle tires, testimonials  and pictures.

   Thoughts ?
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 03, 2011, 12:40:19 PM
Good Morning,

   Jessssssssssssss....was I ever wrong !   Thank goodness for back-testing !  :rtfm:   

      I was  using a $100.00 base-unit betting system  in the  " Three + Capping System. " 

TC's  System works on  50/50, odd-even,red-black/high-low/Pass-Line and Do-Not Pass Line and Player-Bank betting. 

   I was wrongly  using a $15.00 base-unit betting progression  on  Trace Cooper's Baccarat System.

   At Harraha's Laughlin this last trip it would take forever to get a scoreboard full of recorded spins because the 20-something's would scatter chips all over the Roulette board.....so...... I would drift over to the Roulette wheel every 30 minutes, or so, and record, in my notebook, the  scoreboard's  spun numbers.

     I would take these numbers  to my room and  run them over TC's 9-step Baccarat System.   They   :yahoo:NEVER  :good:  failed to produce a profit !   ;D 8) :o :clapping: :yes: :dance1: :rtfm: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :good:

    The pit-boss, at Harraha's,  took interest in my charting....so.... I rat-holed chips and told him ... " Boy, I lost my ass at craps last night. "......just another dreamer crying over his lost $$$$$ .....hummmmm ?

  It worked.  :thumbsup:

     I was sick the whole trip.  I had been table-sawing  at home ( adding a 3-foot privacy extention to my fence) and I had a wooden, toothpick like, chunk of wood  slip into the bottom of my foot.   

      I did not know what was wrong but I had an increasingly hard time walking as it swelled into a puss ball.  I thought it was an abrasion do to my new Kelso-Earth flip flops. 

     Yesterday, I tried twice to go to my MD's office....closed !  :diablo: 

     So..... I bought Epson Salts, Triple Antibiotic Cream and I would draw the infection by putting the bottom of my foot on the streets hot, black asphalt.

    I almost went to the ER at our local Hospital....then  I caught myself because I remembered how they charged me + $ 2,600.00 for two qts. of IV water !  :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

        I took lineman-dike  plyers and forced the jaws into the bottom of my foot and extracted the wood pieces...jessssssss !  .... the pain !    :'(

     It worked ! .....no more mental-drifting due to the infection !  :yahoo:

     Cured  by ... Self-admin. -Tool-Box -Surgery !    :good:

    I am recharging my internal batteries today.

      I will post  the Baccarat  shoe  ( #20 ) from Zumma's 600 real-recorded Baccarat Shoe System Testing Book in my next post.

   It generated a + $1,400.00 profit !    :yahoo:

  Jim
PS:  Coming home from the gym last night, along side the road, my hair stood on end and I developed goose-bumps at the site where a 16 and 19 yr. old ( local males )  where thrown out of their pick-up and killed recently.

     I saw them standing on the side of the road after they were killed and put in the ground.....so.... I drove up to them and in extreme pain  ( do to my back-spasming from the event )  I told them ..." GO TO THE LIGHT, YOU WERE KILLED IN AN AUTO ACCIDENT ! "

   Presto ! ...the 16 year old  and the 19 year old  were instantly gone !  :angel: 

My goose bumps stopped, my hair returned to normal and the most horrible back pain...... STOPPED !   :thumbsup:

      Now,  my body tells me they are back !   They are hanging around the site of their road-side deaths....hummmm ? 

     The site is full of crosses, candles, solar-powered lights, motorcycle tires, testimonials  and pictures.

    Thoughts ?
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 05, 2011, 09:03:07 AM
Yo, Earthbound  Street-Light Sliders....

    I am starting to feel.... Up-to-Speed.     I went to our local Indian Casino on Sunday.  Man O' Man it was packed !  :skull:

     The Casino raises the table limits on weekends to take your $$$ at a faster rate.  :diablo:

     So....... still smarting from my Took-Box-Surgery, I sat at the slot machines in back of the Baccarat Tables and charted.

      The two Bacc. tables were full of Asians trying to beat the game.

    I used a straight-up  Trace Cooper  $15.00 base-unit game on both lit-up scoreboards.

     The first short recorded scoreboard netted ... + $50.00 before it ran-out of recorded  outcome numbers.

    The second board netted +$220.00 in 45 outcomes......not to shabby !  :good:

     I  am looking to buy a house in the Charleston/ Demare area of Vegas.  I have found a house one block North of that

intersection, online, for $39,000.00 .....hummmmmm ?   

      Houses are really cheap in Vegas right now.    :rtfm:

       I will post  my latest,real, recorded baccarat numbers when my high-speed web service activates, later today.

   Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 10, 2011, 11:50:01 AM
Kindred 25 Watt Generators...... :scratch_ones_head:

   Go to Google and type in the search engine.... " Street Light Sliders .....hit the search button.... up pops mega information on turning on and off street lights with your 25 watts of  Human brain power.

   O'...  and Montel Willians have both done one hour programs ( I have seen them both ) on using your mind to turn lights on and off ...   :swoon: :smile:

   A cop said on O'  how he takes his patrol car up on side of the residenual street, for blocks, and turns all the street lights ..OFF...then turns around and comes back the same streets and turns the lights back...ON !  :scratch_ones_head:

  Well, I played in the weekly local Indian Casino  BJ turn. Wed.   The field was 65 players.

     I knocked them off and ended up in first place...+$750.00   :yahoo:

  However, I got killed in BJ.   John Patrick says to NOT play BJ because, in the long run, you can not beat it.   He is soooooo right-on.   :nono:

   Good news on Trace Coopers Bacc. System.  It is working well !   :shout:    

  I  loaded my BO DOG online gaming account with $215.00 (US ) $$$$ and I have been playing  Trace Cooper's Baccarat ...ONLINE for real cash.

   You can play Bo Dog Baccarat for as little as $1.00 per hand.   The nice thing about playing online is the decisions are super-fast and the computer figures the 5% Bank comm. right down to the penny.

  BoDog is a very good Casino.  I do not know what RNG they are using ?  Allen Campbell, a gaming friend, turned me on to them.  
       Years ago, I used  Silverthorne's Neural Gaming System  ( a 8-step neg. progression ) to run up my $130.00 online buy-in to + $ 3,300.00 !  :yahoo:

       I cashed out + $2,100.00 just to see if they would pay me ?   Yep !  10 days later, the UPS guy slipped me a check from a Bank on a Med. Island in the center of the Med. Sea.

       It said it was payable through  a Citi Bank  account in NYNY.....hummmmm ?   :scratch_ones_head:

       Yep ! I cashed it in Californai and IT WAS A GOOD CHECK !  :pleasantry:  

        I think using an  internet Casino ( Bo-Dog Casino ) is going to work well with TC's System.   I have used it 3 times so far with 8-unit wins of + $ 74.00, +$26.00 and + $18.50.   All  3 games were  played within in the last 24 hours.

        I am going to use a $2.00 game as my base-unit +8-units = a walk-away win.    I will play several of these + $16.00 game-ending win-games a day.    I am going to do low-limit games because using a 3x to 25x recovery games-lost will be an easy thing to do.

     The 9-step TC   $2.00 base-unit progressIon :

2.00,2.00.2.00 /6.00, 10.00,16.00,14.00,20.00 and 28.00

   TC's system loses 1.4 times in every 20  eight-unit-game-ending wins ( so says his 1,000,000 + games played by his Computer ).

  I an shooting for a daily win of a $50.00 bill.  That adds $1,500.00 a Month to my gaming kitty ....sweet !   :good:

   Thoughts ?

Jim
PS:    One of the reasons I am going  " online "  is to avoid other gamblers.    On my last trip to the local Indian Casino, I was playing BJ and the male player, to my right, kept loudly banging his chips into the table apron.

       I said to him ... " You like to bang your chips on the table ? "   He said he did like to slam them into the table.

  To which I replied :   " It makes me NUTS !  :diablo:

      It makes me want to reach out and KILL  a random stranger ! "

  HE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID, TO HIM,  FOR A MINUTE.....THEN HE STOPPED BANGING HIS GD CHIPS INTO THE TABLE !  ........jesssss  !   :skull:

 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 11, 2011, 09:48:54 AM
Yo Earthbounds,

 Well, I had a total TC Bacc. System meltdown ( lost ALL 9 steps ) on my second session yesterday.  :diablo: :diablo:

   My loses : -2.00,-2.00,-2.00,-6.00,-10.00,-16.00,-14.00,-20.00 and -28.00.    With a few wins entertwined, I looked down to my scoresheet and it showed a total net loss of  _$80.00 !  :angry2: :angry2: :diablo:

     To overcome my gaming loss I used Martin Silverthorne's  ..." Recovery of Lost Game  "  format out of his Neural System manual.

   It requires one double-up recovery-game... for one game only.  If you are using a $2.00 base betting unit and lose the game, your next game is a $4.00 recovery base-betting-unit game.

  I want a quicker recovery of my lost loot so I launch my recovery games at the 3x  or 5x over the original base-betting units.

  I have never seen back-to-back game losses, in back testing or real Casino play.

  Therefore, I jumped my base-betting-units to the 5x level at $10.00.

  In the next 12 Baccarat outcomes, I recovered + $77.00 of my -$80.00 previous loss.  

   At that point, I  terminated the $10.00 game and reverted to the $2.00 game.

   My total 3 session results yesterday = + $52.00 = A good day !  :good:

   I  have tried  something new this morning.    In my  first session, I used a super-low  TC base-unit game of $1.00  ( 1,1,1,3,5,8,7,10,14 ).

   I stop the TC game whenever my   " Three + Capping Betting System " sets-up and  I bet into it for  a single  win.

    The 8-step  3+Capping progression :  5,8,13,21,35,50,75 and 100.

    The Baccarat outcomes setting-up 3+C :

p
P
P
P
P
B......The string of 5 Player wins were  " Capped " by the Banker win.   I launch the 8-step progression on the next play =
B .... a  + $5.00 !  :ok:  ....I then reverted to TC's system... for the next bet.

  The next  "3+C " system   set-up =

P
P
P
P
P
B.....The 5 Player wins  " Capped " by the Banker win.   The next bet starts the 8-step progression  =
P = -$5.00 .....betting 2nd step on next bet = $8.00 =
B = +$8.00 = A Net win of  +$3.00 for the  play !  :agree:

 I made three more back-to-back TC winning plays and terminated the game with a  planned  $$$ win.

  Yes....low limit Baccarat seems to have legs !  :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :good:

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: bombus on July 11, 2011, 09:09:22 PM
Quote from: W7 on July 10, 2011, 11:50:01 AM
Kindred 25 Watt Generators...... :scratch_ones_head:

   Go to Google and type in the search engine.... " Street Light Sliders .....hit the search button.... up pops mega information on turning on and off street lights with your 25 watts of  Human brain power.
 

This is true.
I did it once after consuming peyote. My friends and I were sitting on the floor in an upstairs room. We had the lights off and I was meditating while two of my friends were playing chess by the light streaming into the room from an outside streetlight. My meditation was focused on light & energy. As the light grew stronger in my mind the streetlight began to crackle for a few moments then went out. Because I had my eyes closed and was focused on a bright light in my mind's eye, when the streetlight went out the light in my mind snapped into an intense level of brilliance that caused me to cry out and topple over. I sat up to see the room was in darkness and my two friends were looking at me. We discussed what had just happened for a while and they were convinced that I had put out the streetlight. We sat in darkness for about 10 minutes talking about the possibility, and then my friends attempted to continue their game of chess. Probably 5 minutes later they complained that it was too dark to play now and that I had ruined their game by turning the streetlight off. One of them then suggested that I try and turn it back on. So I closed my eyes and began my meditation again focusing on the brilliant light in my mind's eye, but this time consciously attempting to reduce the intensity of the light back to its original brightness. I succeeded in lessening the light in my mind and when I did I heard the crackle of the streetlight outside, and then it buzzed and hummed and snapped back on. My friends and I stared at each other for a few moments then actually got a bit spooked by the situation so decided to leave the room and go out for the night.


Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 12, 2011, 04:53:13 AM
Bombus,

     Cool story !   Now, how to use our  unused-powers in gaming ?

     Today's  online Casino take was + $65.00....  :good:

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 13, 2011, 10:33:36 AM
Yo....Kindred Earthbounds...   :lol:

   Yesterday's Bo Dog Online  Casino numbers..... + $ 106.00...........
   First  ( very early AM)  Bo Dog craps session this Morning...exactly... +$50.00 ( my fav. US bill ! )  :dance1:

    Well, off the the local Indian Casino this morning for the $20.00 buy-in BJ Turn.

     It worked out last Wed.....coming in first out of the  65 player pool ! ..... +$750.00....nice !    :yes:

     I have switched out of Bo Dog Baccarat to Euro  Roulette and craps because I did NOT  pay attention to the

      Bo Dog Banker vig on a $1.00 winning Banker bet.   It is .25 cents !!!  :diablo:

      It was taking me 40 to 50 plays to make $10.00 to $15.00 using Trace Cooper's Bacc. System !  :angry2:

         Well, I have been thinking....  " WHY  did my online Casino $130.00 buy-in go to +$3,300.00 ? "

         I  think it had to do with only  playing online  when my personal-energy-level was at its peak.

          So,   how to we get our energy levels to max-out for gaming ?

           Recently,  I was in the " hip "  older part of Fresno, Ca.  and I was walking to my car when my body  was drawn, like

        a moth to light,  to a sound coming from  "The Brass Unicorn.com  "  shop.  

      They were playing an " OM " repeating CD.

   Boy O' Boy did my body's energy centers  get hooked on that sound !  :yes:   I found myself locking-back-up my car and going into the store for more information.

     The CD is simply called ... " OM. "  It is a highly energized 108 OM's recording  chanted by world renowned spiritual teacher and founder of Pranic Healing.

      His name is  Master Choa Kok Sui.    He is a retired  chemical engineer, philanthropist, businessmam and scientist.

   He has, for over 20 years, done research on the wise use of subtle energy and is now a Master of Energy.  His books have been translated into more than 20 languages.

    His goal, through the use of the   " OM " CD,  is to improve World health and well-being  as well as improve human spiritual growth.

      I take his CD on my monthly Harraha's junket trips.  It plays 24/7 in my room  ( it is playing now as I write this ) and it takes away alot  of my built-up Casino stress.

   The good-effects it has on the human body are extreme !  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: 8)

      When I do yard work the people who can hear it end up in my yard near the  playing  " OM "  CD.   :good:

    They too are  drawn like a moth-to-light to the magic and power  of " OM ".    :dance1:

  Get it....play it and see for yourself the Super-Effects it has on your life.  :angel:

    Oh yes...IT WILL IMPROVE YOUR  GAMING !    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Jimmy

     
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 14, 2011, 09:27:28 AM
Yo....  Fellow-Carbon-Units.........

    Good Morning......   :yahoo:

   Yesterday's BJ turn. was a bust !  Four by-in's and the dealer's " ruled ! "   You have two ten-value cards and the daler has a 5-up.....no matter, she made here 21 with baby-cards....over and over.....a.... NO WIN FOR THE PLAYER ....EVER ! ....BJ turn.

  I ended up - $95.00 for the BJ turn......but..... action and fun for the bucks !    :diablo:

    I played  Trace Cooper's sit-down Baccarat  at $10.00 base-betting units.  The first game ended over TC's 8 unit game ending win cut-off.     I colored-up for a  + $120.00 net win !    :good:

    The damn bus from San Francisco comes in on Wed. and it brings mega-older-Asians .....who sit, all day and night, at  the Baccarat table.    :angry2:

      At  7:00PM  I was able to just wedge in between two of them for a  last Casino- parting Bacc. game.............

     It again was a $10.00 game  and it resulted in another + $120.00 win !

     I printed-out headers for my 70 page scorebooks ( College ruled ).  It makes playing TC's System a breeze :

#1......3/4 inch wide top-entry .... " Round of Play."

#2.... The 2nd  3/4 inch wide entry ..... " Observed Decision. "

#3.....3rd top-entry is....." bet Pattern."  The bet pattern is  " S "  bet the  next hand same as the last winning side...." O " =  bet  oppsite the last winning side.   "PR " = Parley the last win.    " Rev. " = Revverse-bet to original betting side.

#4...... " Betting Side."

#5......  = " Bet Level "  =  T-1-1, T-1-2,T-1-3,T-2-4, T-2-5.T-2-6,T-3-7.T-3-8 and the 9th step = T-3-9.

#6...... Amount bet.

#7.......Net Outcome.

     The second game's  net-outcome  numbers :

-10
0
+20
+30
+10
+60 .....due to a " 3+Capping "  play for a + $50.00 win  !  :dance1:
+50
+60
+50
+60
+60
+40
+50
+70
+60
+70
+90
+80
+70
+80
+60
+90
+80
+70
+60
+90
+100
+120... game-over...Asian kid slamming his chips into the rail  and the bus-girl  to my right with motor-mouth.  :diablo:

   My energy is low this morning...so....no online  gaming yet.

Jim




   
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 14, 2011, 04:18:14 PM
Yo , Fellow  25-watt Brain-trusts.........  :clapping: :yes: :dance1: :yahoo: :shout: :angel:

  I tried something ... "NEW " at this morning's 1st online session.

   Craps and all Casino-table-games are  based on  "MATH. "   Therefore, HOW CAN WE JADE THE CASINO GAME-MATH INTO OUR PLAYER FAVOR ?

   At my  previous on-line Bo Dog session, I took note of the 4 and 10 points.   I saw a new betting-pattern to exploit.

    When the  4's  and 10's make their points, DOES THE NEXT-TIME that  point is set as the point, does it go 7-

out or does it repeat as 4-4 or 10-10 ?  

  In other words......IS THERE A  PATTERN  TO  BO DOG'S  COMPUTER's  RANDOM- NUMBER- GENERATOR THAT WE CAN EXPLOIT ?

   This morning I used two clip-boards.  The first had Trace Cooper's charting System page and the second i used to chart the RNG's  number-outputs........very interesting !  :swoon:.

  I would play TC's $1.00 game as  conduit to set-up a 3-step neg. progression on the  point numbers.

   Playing low-bet Craps to make the $50.00 daily-bill ( $$$$) my  4/10 DP three-step point-progression :

#1.......$10.00 in  odds or lay-bet..... to produce a + $5.00 profit.

#2........If the above lost.... then betting $30.00 to produce  the same +$5.00 net profit.

#3........ IF BOTH OF THE  ABOVE BETS WERE  " KNOCKED-OFF " BY REPEATING 4-4's  or 10-10's, I WOULD BET THE TABLE MAX BET OF +$100.00 ON THE 4 OR 10 POINT THE NEXT TIME IT SET-UP AS THE POINT.   :punish: ::)

    This 3-step I also used on the 5 and 9 points.    I  always 100% hedge-bet the 6's and 8's when they come-up as points....because they are too hard to figure out.

 This morning's session produced a +$30.00 NET-WIN PROFIT using the above betting system !  :dance1:

 This Morning's  ( RNG)  Bo Dog  Computer numbers and  their repeating outcome numbers :

#1....10-10
.........10-7
===============
#2......4-4
..........4-7
===============
#3......10-10
............10-7
===============
#4.........47
............10-7
............4-7
............10-7
================
#5..........55
.............. 55
...............57
================
#6............97
.................99
.................97
.................97
=================
#7.............55
..................55
..................57
..................57
===================

 So.....the question is : ....... " IS THIS USEFUL INFORMATION  ?

Jim


 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 15, 2011, 11:35:40 AM
Yo....  Fellow 25-Watt Earthbound Generators   :lol:

 Just finished 1st  ( Friday )   AM Bo Dog online  Craps session.  Seeing how I have all day to win  the $50.00 bill, I set my first session win at + $20.00.

    It got out of hand and I ended up + $60.25 !   :shout:

    After  the gym last night I had a session that only lasted 8 outcomes = +$55.00 for the day...nice !  :lol:

     This morning saw this repeating craps-outcome-pattern :  55,55,55,57,57.  I lost the first three 55's and really loaded-up when the 4th five  set-up as the point.....sweet !    :yahoo:

  Of course it is  much safer to just bang-the-hell out of Trace Cooper's 50/50, flip-of-a-coin, High-Low,Odd-Even, Red/Black, PL-DP Line, Player-Bank   Betting System using the  low $1.00 base--unit game.  Adding odds adds risk.

   Well, after fixing the fence this great   :yahoo:   AM morning,  I am taking Shawie O' Gill Flanihan, Subrena O' Gill

Flanihan, Bella O' Gill Flanigan and Nola O' Gill Flanihan, my four white Standard  Poodles, to the dog park in Visalia, Ca.

   I have had Standard Poodles for 25 years and I think they are the  smartest and brightest dogs I have ever had.

  Whar a blessing they are !    :shout: :clapping: :dance1: :yahoo: :good: :angel:

Best Regards,
Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 15, 2011, 10:03:24 PM
Hi,  Kindred Carbon-based "  kill-it-Eat-It "  Earthbound Units,   :pleasantry:


           I just  completed  my  (second today ) Trace Cooper  low-ball Bo-Dog online  craps session.

   Pre-session,  I thought I would low-ball my next two sessions  because I am way over my daily win targets ( up +$80.00 for today )     and I read something about ... Greedy Pigs Getting Killed.

   Also,  I am still smarting over the one game I lost 3 days ago.   As posted above, I lost ALL of my  low-ball 9 steps in the progression !  :diablo:

  Yep :  -1,-1,-1,-3,-5,-8,-7-,10 and -14.

     The recovery  9-step progression @ 10.00 base-betting units was short and sweet !   :pleasantry: :smile: :shout:

  When I am playing low-ball TC, I shoot for three sessions winning  between +$15.00 and +$17/$18 per session. That amount  gives me the  $50.00... daily US bill.  The $2.00, $50.00 and $500.00 US bills are my favorites for looks.

    Today's just completed session ended with a $15.00 profit......nice.    I also quit the session because something felt strange about the session.....hummmmm ?   :-\

  Charting each box-number point  and  outcomes :

1]....57
2]....99
3]....97
4]....55
5]....107
6]....57

   It is  cool  betting @ 1.00 and charting the outcomes of those bets because it pretends upcoming outcomes when the just completed points return as points.

  Example :

When the first 5 went 5-7  I won +$1.00.  The win said to NOT take  DP odds when it comes up again as the point because it will not be jaded to 7-out twice in a row.

 The second play was 99...a _$1.00 loss.    The loss said to me....Take slight-odds when the 9 comes up, as the point, on its next appearance as the point.

 The 9 returned, as the point,  on the next play.   Therefore, I took $3.00 odds on my $1.00 DP bet and  I also added a $9.00
Lay bet against the 9 coming back and making its point.

  It did as planned .....9/7.   That created a + $8.75 .... after the vig.... WIN !   :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :good:

   The next time the  nine set-up  as the  point, I did not take odds because  it was NOT jaded to 7-out.  

  If I had lost the above +$8.75 net-win bet with another 9/9, I would have doubled-up my bet ( Silverthorne recovery bet ) when the nine returned, for the 3rd time,  as the point.

  If I had lost the ( 3rd time )  9-point set-up bet,  I would have doubled-up my DP bet against the nine going 9/9 for the fouth-time ....in a row.

The odds of that happening four times in a row are way-out there !  :angry2:

 When the  five went 5/5 in play #4 it said ..." add odds when it returns as the point. "  

I did just  that when it returned ( #6 ) !   :dance1:

     The above  is  my low-ball Trace Cooper &  hybred-system that  I am currently using.  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:  :good:

Thoughts ?

Jimmy





       
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 16, 2011, 05:50:30 PM
Yo  Cut-from-the-Same-Soul-Wheel Earthbounds  :good:

    Yesterday' final session was played after I swan in our local Health Club's awesome heated-indoor 70 foot  swimming pool.

      The session resulted in a +$25.00 win.   It over-shot my win target by + $5.00.  :dance1:  

       I ended way over my +$50.00 a day win limit  at +$105.00  :good:

       My first Sat. session just ended.   I had a  low-ball + $10.00 to + $15.00 win target.  It went to  ...+ $25.75 !  :lol:

         I jumped off the Craps Table and went to the cash-out screen to request that Bo-Dog send me a check by UPS for my

  winnings over the last 9 days...... +$500.00.    :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :good:

       They are processing the  request.  :yes:

       That will leave me with + $300.00 in my  Bo- Dog gaming account.

        I wrote a post on another site on Rapid Eye Tech. yesterday.   RET  is much more important than gaming.  I have done 15-20 hours of RET over the last 11 years.

         I NEED  TO SHARE THE REASONS YOU NEED TO DO AT LEAST A 20 MIN. " DEMO " SESSION OF RET.   8)

          DO IT AND YOU WILL AQUIRE A KILLER, DROP-DEAD-IN-YOUR-TRACKS .... FOCUS !  :yahoo:

           IT WILL GIVE YOU THE FOCUS YOU SEE, IN THE EYES, OF PHIL IVEY...THE POKER PLAYER !   :dance1:

             I will post my experiences using RET in upcoming posts.....RET IS AWESOME !

         IT IS  SUPER IMPORTANT TO YOUR LIFE AND YOUR GAMING EDGE !  :shout: :shout: :shout: :good:

  Jim........
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 17, 2011, 02:13:03 AM
Yo ... White-Lights........

    Flying out on Harraha's junket Jet in early AM......back next Friday.    :yahoo: :dance1:

Party On  :ok: :pleasantry:

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 24, 2011, 10:16:10 AM
Yo  Kindred Earth-bound-beings...

     Back ! ........   :dance1:
   
      It was a good trip....not great trip.....boy O' boy I have got to stop using my Craps and Roulette winnnings to bail-out my BJ losses.

        I came home ( just shy )  of a net-take of.......  + $300.00.   :spiteful:

     I love the Colorado River Boats that run from Casino to Casino and the one that goes  across the  River to the massive parking lot and BAT ( Bullhead-Arizona  Area Transit ) buses on the Arizona-side, of the River.

       The BAT buses meet the Casino river boats  on-the-hour from 7AM to 10PM on Weekdays.    I take the  ( .75 cents ) Wal Mart bus.  It  goes six miles South through Bullhead City  to the..... edge-of-town...Super Wal-Mart.    

       I buy everything I need for my rooms refrig.     I am on a high protein diet and buy chicken, pork rinds, cheese...etc.

        I have lost 65 lbs. over the last 4 Months doing the newest diet information from the  cover of the Feb. 2011 Reader's Digest.    It is a modified Akin's Diet from Duke Univ......you know..... the Rice Diet People.

         They are using the latest Univ. studies  on how the lose weight.   A new book was  recently written by the  author of the Readers Digest article ( I have it ...Amazon books ) called :

" Why We Get Fat and What You Can Do About It. "

       I went to my MD last week and the scale said I had dropped six pounds ....in a week  !   :swoon:

        Last week I started drinking a qt. of microwave brewed green tea a day.   It is true.....Green Tea DOES knock-off the weight !  :yahoo:

    I have got yo go right now....I will post a few of my Craps plays from the last trip on my next post and start a  long, hopefully not boring,  written down explaination on why you need to do Rapid Eye Tech.

    Oh....... the Fed X  driver DID show up at my house with  my Bo Dog Online Casino Check for last weeks +$500.01 take !  

It was a Bank of America check from an Indian Casino in Canada .....hummmmmmmmm ?  :scratch_ones_head:

    I deposited it at my Bank of America branch yesterday ....It should be a good check ?   :pleasantry:

Best.....    :)
Jim





Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 24, 2011, 10:35:22 AM
Jim,

Your trip report  is  very interesting. Taking side trips  by car from LV  I have been to Laughlin several times  during the early nineties .  It`s  always  good  to hear  about a winning trip.

N.D.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!l.
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 27, 2011, 09:22:19 AM
Good Morning,

 Nathan good to hear from you !

  I have been sleeping alot the last 36 hours.....the junkets wear me out !   :lol:

    Three weeks ago, while in  our local WM Super Center, it hit me !   :yahoo:

    A way to maybe fix my old ... "  4+ Capping Roulette System. " (  I am back-testing using Zumma &  )

   My old system which I  BACK-TESTED OVER 5,000 SPINS, WITH NO LOSES,  involved waiting for 4 same-way back-to-back outcomes to occur ( Black or Red ) and then,  using a 5-step double-up  progression,  betting the other way.

   It is a super-simple system  and I used it for six 12 hour turn-around bus trips to Vegas and I also used it  once in Reno.

    On my first trip, I took $1,200.00 from my Bank account  and headed for Vegas .   The bus stopped for 5 hours in Primm, Nv.  at the border Casino's.    I was on-edge  as I bought in for $150.00

   There was no scoreboard so........... I had to chart the outcomes to get the  4-in-a-row,  set-up's  for betting.  My first play was a killer !   :skull:     It went  -25,-50,-100 and finally ... +$200.00 for a net profit of +$25.00.

  The kid-wheel spinner got on me for  "NOT KNOWING WHAT I WAS DOING. "     After an hour of their " low-limit " roulette wheel ( $250.00 max. ) I checked around and found that I could ( for $5.00 )  take the employee bus to Vegas.  

   I asked the  bus-tour-rep. if I could take it and meet the tour bus, in Vegas, later that nite ? She said to meet the bus at  8:00PM  across the street from the M. Carlo Casino.  So..... I ran like hell  to the bus pick-up by the huge propane tank behind the Casino because it was boarding.

   On our trip to Vegas, it hit me !   :swoon: :thumbsup:  I was up +$125.00 playing that take-all-your-$$$-Casino-before-you-get-to-Vegas in Primm ...so..... this system seems to have legs !  :yahoo:

  The bus dumped us off on the strip and I was sure I could make $$$ at the M Carlo Casino....after all ...my computer tests said I would ?    :scratch_ones_head:

      I back-tested my system  using the ..."Play for Fun " modes  at several on-line Casino's  whose RNG's were based on the Vegas located...."  PLAYTEC SOFTWARE COMPANY. "   They  power dozens of on-line Casino's with their computer RNG'S.

....jessss ! ...........looking at my watch....I've got to do things outside right now....before  the damn sun bakes my brains out through my ears ....so ...I will pick-up this story later this morning.

Cheers,
Jim

     " There is one teacher, your inner teacher-the same one in all of us.  Trust your ' intuition,hunch or gut'  because it is God talking to you ! " - Readsalot ( California ).
...... In other words.... Do not take at face-value what I tell you....back-test the hell out of what I tell you !   :ok:



   

 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 28, 2011, 06:04:38 AM
Yo....Kindred, Fellow  25 Watt Generators,    :dance1:

  Man  O' Man......I am starting to get up to speed.   :lol:

      I took 1/4 dose ( one pill )  of  " Focus Factor "  the brain improvement over-the-counter med.,  48 hours ago, and it messed me up ....totally !     :diablo:    I am going to cut my dosage  to 1/8 a tablet and see what that does ?  :swoon:

        It awes me how the Casino's hire  screw-with-our-head-Doctors  to tell them how to get into our wallets ( free drinks,  3 to 5 day room stays that you MUST  take as a single block of back-to-back days....so they can wear us  gamblers down ...mentally...  :angry2:.....  trying to destroy  resolve and our  ..." stop gambling " will-power )   :diablo:

  Anyway.... I must say this last  junket-trip  was the most FUN  I  have ever had as a gambler !  :thumbsup:
of a fundamentalist  Christian  minister ( Church of Christ- Falls City, Oregon ) and as we all know...Christian's  are NOT allowed  to have extreme....over the top.... enjoyment/fun    :skull:

  The second night, after having a good craps playing day, I was relaxing on a $5.00 min. BJ table at 7:00PM with " Bullwinkle. "

   Bullwinkle is a stuffed-animal I picked up at our local Christian thrift store.  I had it strapped to my walker.   I use a walker due to my 6-open-chest surgeries.  They left me with a stomach hernia that leaves me prone to falling over.....it sucks !   :nono:

  So....Bullwinkle  is my conversational  ice breaker.   It works good.   It gave Harraha's Laughlin  Casino workers something to talk about.  I had several workers yell across the gaming floor stuff like ... ' Hey  Bullwhinkle ? ...what's Up ? "

 What a hoot !  :P  I ordered, on E-Bay,  a 13 inch " Rocky " stuffed animal with a blue airplane helmet as a  companion for Bullwinkle for our next Harraha's Junket flight.   It leaves Fresno, Ca. Aug. 28th and returns Sept.1.  :yahoo:

  So..... the table filled up with low-limit BJ players and we were beating the dealer...over and over ...the table beat the 6-deck shoe !     :blink: ;) ;D

    The whole table got into a hands-wave  after each win ! ....super-table-energy  manifested !  :dance1: :dance1: :dance1: :good:  

 Jessssss ............I never knew a Human could have so much FUN !  :clapping:

    Bullwinkle was to my left, with his chin over the rail, big-brown horns and all,  with his oversized black ray-ban sunglasses on  and I would asked his  advise on how to play my BJ hands ?   ....fun stuff !  :shout:

END PART # 2

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 30, 2011, 06:18:30 AM
Yo, Fellow  25-Watt Braintrusts...   :whistle:

  Well,  I always stay in the Northern-most tower ( #3)  and in the same room on the 8th floor.  It has a super view of the Colorado River and the neon dressed River-frount Casinos.  

    I lke the view of the Palms Casino as the Sun is coming up behind the desert Mts. to the East of Bullhead City, Arizona.  

      The Sun lights-up the River  and the neon Casino's " glow " ... at 5:00AM... creates an indirect-lighting  " cool  " effect.  :pleasantry:

       Anyway, back to the ..... " Four-In-A-Row Triggering A 5-Step Doubling-Up Progression System. " ..................

       The 45-minute Whiskey Pete Casino Employee bus ride was uneventful.  It did, however,  give me time to calm-down.

        As I entered the Monte Carlo Casino I thought....." hummmm...a Candy Store ! "   They had 6 Roulette wheels !  :o

         My plan was to never sit-down....to always scan the lighted wheel scoreboards for the 4-same-way outcomes and the launch into the  betting Progression :

$50.00
$100.00
$200.00
$400.00
And the last-step ....+ $800.00

   I almost wetted  my pants betting that high.  I  converted my gaming kitty into green and black chips and put it in a quart-sized plastic slot-machine coin  bucket.

  It is correct what they say about using Casino chips instead if cash.....they do lose meaning as " real  currency "  in chip form.

    So..... I  found a wheel with 4 black outcomes in-a-row and bet the nect outcome would be red....Bingo ! ... +$50.00 !  :good:

    At around the 8th time ( all wins ) I did this... I found two  College-aged  young guys  were following me.  Off the table and in the shadows, they said they had lost mega-$$$ playing Blackjack and  they noticed I was hitting-and-running with winning plays ?

   I was sooooo.... busy watching the wheels, off-table, for upcoming betting situations that I only briefly told them I had run the wait-for-4-same-way--outcomes to pass BEFORE betting  the  other-way for 5 double-up  ( if needed ) times.

   They needed cash.....so..... we formed a search-and-bet-Wolf-Pac  team.   It worked Super !   :dance1: :dance1:

..........damn-it ! .....My dogs have dug out under the fence and are off to the Kings River.....will contin. later ....sorry...

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 30, 2011, 08:50:38 AM
Yo.......Cut-from-the-Same-Sail.....Carbon Based Units....  :angel:

 Back from the Kings River with 4 Standard Poodles...in tow !... @ 2:30AM.....thanks 6-volt flashlights !  :smile:

  So ....there we were.... all three of us... searching all six of Monte  Carlo's  roulette tables for 4 same-way outcomes.  

  It was NOT a greed thing....it turned into a  ....  Human-Primal-Hunting thing.   :good:

They would run up to me and say...  " The wheel, in back,  just went  four black " ...or... "the wheel nearest the cash-cage just went four red. "

    They had a time accepting the fact ( as i also did and still do  )  that this works !  :yahoo:

    I youngest came  up to me   and said ...   " Are you sure this works ? "      I fell-back on the only thing I had to fall-back on.... my 5,000 computer-generated test spins... as proof.    :scratch_ones_head::scratch_ones_head:

    The two young 20-somthings  were from the Mesa, Arizona.   They had to catch a plane at 2:30AM ( Sunday ) and it was  1:30AM.

    As they said good-bye the youngest one walked 10 feet away, turned with a massive wad of $100.00 bills, in his right hand ( they were playing $200.00 base-betting units.  I was playing $50.00 base-betting units ) and said :

" THANK YOU ! "

 I will never forget  his voice when he said it.  

TRANSLATION :   " Thank You for saving our $$$-butts.    :good:

 Our bus was announced  to board ( first call ) at 2:30AM  at the same time as the call, I found myself betting into my worst progression of the night.

    The wheel I started on went 4 reds in a row.....so..... I bet +$50.00 Black.....a loss.... I bet $100.00 Black....another loss.....I  bet +$200.00 Black.....jessssssssssss....another loss ! .........I was  in to deep.... I bet $400.00 Black.....yep ! .....another loss !!!!   :angry2: :diablo: :angry2: :diablo:

   I quickly thought.... I have 41 wins in-a-row + $2,050.00  (Net) on my +$1,325.00 buy-in ...so... I'll gamble it  to the 5th-step and if I lose the 5th-step.....I'll walk.   :blush2:

   With shaking hands, I put +$800.00 on Black.   :P :P :P :clapping:

  The ball went round and round and the white-ball  bounce-landed in red !   :diablo:.....wait... the spinner gave it extra juice .....it bounced-up and landed in the Black slot (26) to the right of the first Red slot it originally landed in !    :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:

  I un-puckered my body and cashed out my + $2,100.00 net winning......boy O' boy ...did I ever think I was  

lucky  that night !   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

   I continued to use this system for the next 5 bus trips.

  It generated 124 straight wins, in a row !   ( +$11,800.00 on my original  +$1,200.00 buy-in ) .......sweet !  :yahoo:

   On my 7th trip, my luck ran-out and i gave back $6,000.00 !  :skull: :skull: :skull: :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

  That was a total mind-blowing experience for me because it showed that my system was NOT bullet-proof !   >:D

  The last time I used  the 4-Same-Way-Roulette-System  was when I took my 80 year old Mother and her housekeeper, in my white convert.,  on a free 3-day trip to the Rio, in Vegas.   :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry:

  Enough time had gone by......  I was not so risk-adverse to using  it again.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    It was a hoot of a trip !  :biggrin:

     My Mother and her gal helper  had a gas playing  the one cent slots the whole  trip.

     I banged out a net profit of + $3,250.00 on the roulette wheels.....just hitting and running....over and over !   :dance1: :dance1: :dance1: :yahoo:

      However, I am still jaded against using it today.   That being said,  I have modified it in the last several weeks to make it more bullet-proof in Casino play.   :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:

  I am back-testing the  the  "NEW " modified-version with every RNG file I can get my hands on !  :swoon:

   I am using it ONLY  on craps because I have added in John Patrick's  excellent..." RICOCHET CRAPS SYSTEM. "   :yahoo:


   iT  TOTALLY JADES THE MATH, IN CRAPS, TO THE PLAYER'S ADVANTAGE !!!  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

  It does this by taking away the Casino's built-in edge on the come-out 7.  The come-out 7 ( when playing the Do Not Pass line )   WILL NEVER,NEVER,NEVER,NEVER  again affect the  DP player !   :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

    I am also 100% hedging the  ( DP betting ) C/O  Points of 6's  and 8's by Place betting them then they appear as the points.   :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry:  :good:

   The RICOCHET SYSSTEM has been banned in two Indian Casino's in the State of Washington.   The pits say ...." It does NOT give the Casino's a fair shot on the Come-Out points ? !   :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:

  GREAT ! ....A  jaded game ( finally ) to the player ! ....NOT  the house  :yahoo:

 Well, I am becoming tired  and I have fish-to-fry and rats-to-kill !   :skull:

Thoughts ?

Respectfully,
Jim

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 30, 2011, 10:13:33 AM
Jim,

Great TR. I  also like   your approach betting the opposite  after a run of  4 Reds  or  Black.  The odds    that a  fifth one  will repeat are 31-1 . But one  can never be sure when an extended run  begins  to materialize.



This  is   one of the methods  JP recommended in his  Advanced Roulette book . Orginally   I began betting  Black after 2 Reds  but in the meantime have  fine tuned it to  betting after 4  reds.

Except MM is  somewhat different. It`s  1-2-2 STOP which is rather conservative.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!


Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 30, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
Question: How many  roulette tables were  there in this casino ? Because  waiting for  runs of 4 of either color can be  quite time consuming  and are not that common. Or did you  branch out to any of the other  casinos nearby?

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 31, 2011, 04:16:22 AM
Nathan, All.....

  At that time, the Monte Carlo had 6 roulette tables....I could be off on the count ?

   My new  way of betting is to wait-out the  4 same-way, back-to-back outcomes and then   to NOT BET AT ALL AFTER THE 4-SAME-WAY OUTCOMES MANIFEST.

  I  want to cut-off  long strings of same-way outcomes like :  PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL.

 I   wait until the string of winning outcomes PASS before jumping into the 5-step progression....example :

PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,PL,DP.....   The 10 PL wins are  "CAPPED "  by the DP  win.    I then  start my 5-step progression on the DP side.

   I saw a wheel at the RIO go 19 REDS .....in a row !   The " CAPPING " kills-off  long same-way outcome strings.

    I will NO LONGER use this system on roulette or Baccarat because with craps, I can add JP's ....RICHOCHET SYSTEM to the above system and take-away the C/O  DP  " 7 "  from the Casino.    :clapping: :good:

       Thus............".A SUPER-GREAT "  craps-advantage  is handed to us DP players !   :yahoo: :yahoo:

        Also, when the 6 or 8 comes up as the point, I 100% hedge my DP bet  with a " PLACE BET " ON THE POINT because

 6's  and 8's  are to easy to come-back as the points.

  On a $200.00 DP bet ......I "  place-bet "  the 6 or 8 point for  + $196.00.   This is a " NO LOSE " play.  If the point comes back, I  make a profit.

      If the 6 or 8  goes.... 7's-out  I make + $4.00 ( a gallon of gasoline ).


  When the crap-game-bias has me betting the 5-step progression on the PL side, I lose the above hedge-plays.....therefore, my progression betting scale is reduced   from betting the 5-Steps on the DP side at say....$50.00 base-bet units, it drops to %5.00 or $10.00 base-unit betting on the PL 5-step progression due to more risk involved.

     When there are a min. of 4  PL wins and they get  " CAPPED "  by a DP win.....I quickly scan-back on my recorded   thrown numbers to see the longest ...non-appearing .... 4,5,9 or 10.      The losgest ....non-appearing number..... is my RICHOCHET  100% hedging number  for the  pre- C/O .....protection against the C/O 7 bet.

  If the 10 has NOT COME- UP the longest ....say...14 times.....I put a " lay bet "   =  "No 10" ..... for $100.00 and at the same time, I put $50.00 in the DP box.

   If the 10  comes up, as the point,   I lose my $100.00  " LAY BET  " ( It "  RICHOCHETED "... back !  

:diablo:).....but.....the $50.00 DP  bet ....travelded to the   " 10 "  box.

   The odds are 2 to 1 that the  " 7" will  come-up before the 10 comes back as-the-point......therefore, I take  full-odds  (

$300.00 )  on the 10.    This is a  $$$-lost recovery play.

I can not do this recovery/hedge stuff on roulette or baccarat and it makes a big difference to my gaming kitty !  :rtfm:

  Thoughts ?

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on July 31, 2011, 09:39:55 PM
Fellow Earthbounds,

 I have been back-testing 500 to 600 real recorded rolls from the very top Dice Setters at their get togethers in Vegas.

  Some of the contributing dice  thrower's are :  Stanford Wong, Heavy, CharlieG, ElephantTracks, AllyOop, Isgood, DoSa,Nune, ShootItAll,Dr. J, 7TimesaChamp, NightHawk, PappyVanWinkle, BobbyBones, CrimsonTide and sooooooooo many more DI'ers !   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o  

    A massive  real, recorded  pool of dice setting  outcomes.   The file is awesome and it shows a bias to the above  Pass Line dice setter's.

 Sooooooooo........ how does  their  recorded shooting file hold up against the above system I am playing ?

  I am going to post my results on the fist several  hundred rolls from their posted dice-throwing files because they are having a several Month-long  posted pissing contest on which of there betting systems work the best against the thrown numbers file.

  The results, so far, have  " stunned " .......even me !    :good:

   I am going to wait until the wee-hours to post a full-breakdown of the first and several more plays from their file because

I am at my best in the wee-hours of the morning.

Cheers !   :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Jim

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 01, 2011, 08:22:33 AM
Yo Kindred, Carbon-Based... " KILL IT AND EAT IT ! "... Earthbound Units.....   :nono:  :lol: :clapping: :dance1:



   Wow !.......... Do I love gambling or what ?    :good:

BACKGROUND INFORMATION :

    My past-life regression Tech. that  I have followed  all over California...doing sessions wherever he was at,  

     said  the reason I like gaming so much is because  ...   "What you like to do  in this Life is,  to a large-part,  based on

what you did in your previous Life.  "

    He also says there is a  viel protecting us all  from our past life's experiences...so we can feed our Master-Soul with " New " experiences from each and every new life.

   My current life's veil is weak.....so much so..... that I drift into past life.... with ease.

EXAMPLE :

   In my recent past, I would get up at 4:00AM every Sunday Morning and drive 2 hours to the transportation center on 16th Street... in Merced, Ca. and  catch the 6:00AM  Stroyer  Tour  Bus  to Harraha's South Lake Tahoe property ( a 4 1/2 hour bus ride...each way ).

   I was the Southern-most pick-up.    I would use a $2.00 off coupon from the penny pincher newspaper and pay the driver $36.00  cash for the trip.

     It was a good deal  because when we got to Harraha's,  at 11:30AM, the tour gal would hand each of us an envelope with +$28.00 cash  from Harraha's.

    In the envelope was a coupon for a free buffet  ( Sunday brunch ...+$18.00)  at the buffet on the  top 18th floor of Harraha's.

  It has a  " killer " view of the Lake and the brunch food IS great !  :pleasantry:....cracked crab and 8 kinds of Scrimp  dishes !  :dance1:

   Well,  I was starting to question if I should continue with these trips because I was having major problems on these gaming trips to the Lake.  :diablo:

    As the bus would pass the California State Folsom Prison,  ( the Johnny Cash Prison )  I would go mentally nuts !   :scratch_ones_head:

  I would be fine as the bus worked its way up the S. Nevada Mts.....talking to my fellow bus passengers....but....as we went by  the Folsom  Prison's  Southern gate....

     I WOULD  SHAKE with  body-goose bumps and my body  hair, all over my body,  would  STAND-UP on  END !

    Worst of all..... I  lost my ability to speak !  :angry2:

  As soon as the bus cleared the Prison, I returned to normal.    :yahoo:

  So...  after 3 trips of this  nonsense, I contacted my Past-Life Tech.  We set-up an appointment and  I drove over to Salinas, Ca....a 3 hour drive.  

      He had me lay on his fold-up  massage cot and he  went into a 2 hour trance.  He pulled my Human-file from  the Astro-Plane's  ..." Hall of Records. "   ( We all have recorded records of everything we do in ALL our lives )

   What I liked most about my PAST LIFE TRANCE-TECH.  was that I never told him a damn- thing about me.

        It was a test to see if his statements  were..... "real. " .

     MAN O' MAN   :thumbsup:   He came up with stuff  I NEVER TOLD ANYONE ! ....dreams and all !    Stuff in dreams  since I was able to remember dreams.   :scratch_ones_head:

   He often would be in a trance, for an hour or so, then suddenly open his eyes and  look  straight-in-my-eyes and say :... " Why did You choose  those people as your parents ? "

He would not wait for an answer...it seemed to me he did not want an answer.  He would then slip-back into his eyes-closed trance.

     Sometimes, in his trance, he would fall-over onto my chest !  :ok: ...with his forehead en-bedded in my rib cage !  :smile:

  Since I was a kid  (I have never told anyone)  I have had dreams about being burned to death. I NEVER told him about them.

    Without asking.... he told me where they came from !   :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:

 He said at my trial,  in the early 1940's ,  my business partner's ran out on me and left me holding the bag and I went to Folsom Prison for murder.  

  He  said the evidence at my trial was all here-say evidence like O J's  trial evidence.

   Anyway, I was convicted and  I went to Folsom Prison for Life.          It sucked !   :diablo: :diablo:

    He said I was burned to death, running out of a prison-guard-set  fire,  in a dried corn field,  by the  guards !  :diablo:

 jessssssss !..........  What he was saying locked-into my old dreams !  :no:  

    My dreams had me running out of  an on-fire dried corn field and as I am headed  out...I look down at my right arm and see my white bone, in my arm, sticking out !

 I  run toward the water canal on the Prison grounds.

  In the  repeating dream,  I jump head-first into the water and quickly die  from body shock !  :angry2: :angry2:

  As I  lift-out of my body, I  rise up 10 to 20 feet.   I look down, to my right,  and see a enclosed jeep with two prison guards  laughing.   One says to the other :

    " There is another one you will not  have to feed again. "

  Hearing that statement really pissed me off ! ......That life pissed me off !    :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

        I found out the hard way...Once you are  sentenced  to prison, for Life,  you have  very limited future  life experience options.

  My  Past Life  Tech. said I was buried in the  Folsom Prison Graveyard and  the current life's  bus passing so close was creating life-to-life  interferences.

So, that was it !      :pleasantry:

 I paid him $130.00 and drove the 3 hours home.  

 My future gambling  bus trips to Harraha's South Lake Tahoe Property " never again "  created problems as the bus passed Folsom Prison !   :dance1: :dance1: :dance1:

Thoughts ?
Jim
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 Starting from the first play to set-up.... hand #2 :

     
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 01, 2011, 09:54:55 AM
Yo ...Fellow White-Light 25 Watt Generators.....  :good:


   Sorry about that ....I thought I did NOT  have the  printed-out  pages  ( #1 and #2 )   of the 600 roll file  from the DI Guru's.

    I will admit I am somewhat  rattled from the above post.....   :rtfm:.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


 I am starting from the start .  The first play to set-up :

Hand #2 ....949-7-12-8910666998-810551110943941228-859947

Hand #3.....94811525117

 The  condensed play sets-up as :

99
7
12  ( exclude all 12's )
88
88
87  = . The above 4 PL wins are " Capped "  with this 87 DP win.  Start the 5=step double-up DP progression NEXT after

looking back and finding the 4,5,9 or 10 that has NOT come-up the longest:

#4  =  2 throws ago.
#9  =  3 throws ago
#5 =   5 throws ago
#10 =  15 throws ago...so..#10 is our 100% " Richochet  "pre-C/O-roll-hedge number to protect our pre- C/O  "DP" bet from being knocked-off by the C/O 7.

 Therefore, I  put $200.00 in the DP box  and, at the same time, I lay-bet the " 10 " for + $400.00.

The shooter rolls a  '9'   as the point.  We quickly  take-down our $400.00 .." No 10 " lay bet and wait-out the shooter's  outcome :

Play #3 ....94811525117 =  ...  +$200.00

END OF SET-UP PLAY #1.
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

   I was using the 'Richochet'  at Harraha's Laughlin, two Month's ago, and the pit boss said .. " Everytime you use your C/O hedge,  your hedge number shows up  one or two rolls later.  I should be betting on your hedge number ! "

Thoughts ?
Jim






   

       
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 01, 2011, 11:32:32 PM
Wow.  Jim.  I just LOVE reading your posts.  We have a lot of the same belief systems (spiritual and emotional). . .  I'm still absorbing the Folsom prison story.  Wow. 

Your a VERY interesting person.  You should consider writing a book!!

Love your constant testing of systems!!  Wish I had just 1/2 the success you do!

Anyway, keep up the good work.  Your the only reason I check out this board.   Just wish I had more to contribute!!

Peace.

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 02, 2011, 02:01:21 PM
Yo Audionut, Earthbounds and Trolls ..........

    Thank you for your nice  remarks Audionut.   I am trying to share in this Life.... I was NOT a sharing person in my last life.  I did things I am sooooooo  ashamed of,  in that life, that I will not share it.

    The best article I have read on NBE's  is Mellen Thomas Benedict's short 9 page re-cap of his trip to the other-side and back.  You can find it at :

nolinks://nolinks.mellen-thomas.com/stories.htm (nolinks://nolinks.mellen-thomas.com/stories.htm)

Near-Death Experience NDE Story of Mellen-Thomas-Benedict :

" Journey Through the Light and Back "


  It starts out....  " In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. I was inoperable and given six to eight months to live.....

   I perceived ALL Humans as cancer and that is what killed me.   Be careful what your World view is.  It can feed back on you, it is a negative World view.  I had a negative one.  That is what led me into my death....... "

  I liked his story  esp. when he talked  one-on-one  with  God.....mind-blowing stuff !  :thumbsup:
:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

  Well, resuming with  " 4+Capping "  leading to JP's " Ricochet System "  and a 5-Step double-up Progression and hedging the DP 6 and 8 Points thrown in....

  The second play to set-up occurs with shooter's 6 and 7 :

1010
66
7
11
1010
66
7
57 = Above same-sided  outcomes are now  .... " Capped ! "
99
697
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Quick-scanning back  for the longest non-appearing #'s :

9 = 2 rolls ago
10= 4 rolls ago
4  = 7 rolls ago
5 =  9 rolls ago... therefore, the "5" is our 100% hedge number to protect our C/O DP line bet.

We put up a  $300.00..." No 5 " Lay-bet and, at the same time, we put $200.00 in the DP box.... The  point comes up " 9 "  and we instantly call-off our 300.00 Lay-bet.  The "9" comes back as the point  and we lose our DP bet =  - $200.00.

  We again scan-back for the longest non-appearing number.  It is still the "5" ...so....we go to the second double-up step and put $600.00  as a lay-bet on the " 5"  and put +$400.00 in the DP box.

  The  point comes up "6" and we quickly take down our  $600.00 Lay-bet and Place-bet the  " 6 " Point for  +$392.00.

  We put +$400.00 in the DC box and again, Lay-bet the "5" for $600.00.  

   The DC  point comes-up the " 9. " We quickly call our DC hedge bet ..."off "  and down.

  The string goes ....6,9,7.

We collect  +$200.00 (Net ) for this  completed play !   :dance1: :dance1: :dance1:

  The next play to manifest is on  shooter #22's shooting  and I will lay it our after a break.

Cheers !  :pleasantry:
Jim

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Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 02, 2011, 03:00:47 PM
 Yo....Fellow-25 Watt Electromagnetic Brain-Powered Generators......

  The Url above does not work.....hummmmmmmmm ?  This works  :

  nolinks:ndestories.org/mellen-thomas-benedict/

 He was told, in his OBE,  how to live to be 100 to 150 years old...hummmmm !  :ok: :yahoo: :yahoo: :clapping:

Jim

 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 03, 2011, 09:51:19 AM
Good Morning, Earthbounds....... :dance1:

  Another Great day is at hand !   :yahoo: :shout: :thumbsup:

  I will be gone next week to Harraha's Ricon Casino in San Diego.   It is located 6 miles from my Brother's house in Escondito,Ca.   It is up in an area were God left his shoes !

  I need to pick-up a 12foot fiberglass A-frame ladder I just bought on E-Bay.   It is in San Diego and I need to get my eyes checked, for floaters, at  Dr. Mendez's  ( most excellent)  6-story Eye Institute.  It is located just South of the NEW  Border Costco in TJ. Mexico.

   Tijuana, Mexico within 2-3  miles of the Border has turned into a  " mini- San Diego. "   There are 90,000 Americans living just across the border in TJ  and they hit the Border each work-day at 5:00AM to work in San Diego.

  They are cunningly smart !  :good:    You can rent an apt. , with electricity thrown-in, just across the Border, for $200.00 a month !    :dance1: :dance1:  I have friends that put together Japanese  TV's  @ $19.00 an hour + benny's in SD  and live in TJ.  

     The  weather  in Tijuana  is great !  It is 68 degrees all year long...Yep ! ....NO heaters and NO air conditioners !

  When you cross the Border the first thing you see is Costco...then Home Depot...then Lowes....then Norstrum's (sp)...Applebee's and DT the new Wal Mart Super-Center.

   The TJ POLICE HAVE NO GUNS.   The President of Mexico took them away due to the TJ police being crooked.  Now you see 16-18 yr. old Mexican Army kids, in Army costumes, and holding M-1's at almost every street corner.....very scary ! :lol:

  As long as I stay close to the US/Mexico border, I feel safe.  CBS National News said 90% of the drug-problems in Mexico are drug-gangs doing drug-gangs.....hummmmm ?   :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:

 So,  I take the I-5 freeway to the 210 freeway and turn South, in the San Fernando Valley, to Pasadena, Ca.

      My last trip to Harraha's Ricon had  major  problems.   :diablo: :diablo:

       I was driving along, Southbound, on the 210  and I came up on Pasadena.   At that point,  I do not remember a damn thing !

  I do not remember driving off the 210....  I do not remember parking my car.....  I do not remember walking through  a mature  1920's  park.   :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:

  I DO remember freaking-out when I caught myself saying to myself...... " It feels SO GOOD to finally be Home ! "

   I looked around at the 1920's and 1930's  craftsman houses, bordering the park, and flipped !  ::)

   " Where am I ? .....Where the gd-hell is my car ?.....  How did I get here ?   :swoon:  

     With rubber-weak legs, I circled the Park and found my car parked next to a Chevron gasoline station.  I departed very quickly because I DID NOT want to be  " found-out "  about what just happened.

      Back to my Past-Life Tech. when my trip was over......  He  again pulled my file from the Hall of Records  located on the Astro Plane.   It revealed  I was a Mexican gardner in Pasadena, Ca. in the early 1920's  and I died from a auto-truck accident at a 4-way intersection, in Pasadena.

       My dreams bore this out.... dreams of having my legs crushed  by a turning-over truck as I lay in a ( Pasadena ?) intersection..........hummm ?

   A school teacher friend of mine once said to me... "Jim you are such a good driver when you come up to an intersection, where did you learn to be so careful ? "   I did not tell her anything.   I just smiled back  at her.

     I am going to stop using the DI Guru's file.  It is NOT what you will find being posted  on 99% of day-in-and-day-out craps tables.   That file   is NOT an even close to a  accurate daily craps table outcomes.  

     I have run the above system through roughly 1/2   ( 15,000 rolls ) of the Zumma Craps System Testing Book with NO 5-step melt-down losses !   :dance1: :dance1: :clapping: :yahoo: :good:

      I am going to post, from the begining, the 14,000 real-recorded-rolls out of the GBC's book ... "72 HOURS AT THE CRAPS TABLE. "     I  have the first two pages inked-out and  will post them after a swimming break at my gym ...within the hour.

  Thank you for allowing me to vent my stuff.    :ok: :ok: :ok:

Jim

   

 

   
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 05, 2011, 02:29:29 AM
Earth White-Light-Generators,

  My Broadband is down......so..... I am on a 56K hard-wired  telephone line.

  I  went to Costco today and bought a battery for my Ford F-150.   It was $103.00 !  :angry2:

   It seem the Ca. government  wants  to take everything we own ?   When I built my house in 1986, I drew-up my own house plans on a second-hand yard sale drafting table, went to our just opened Home Depot with my Father's 25 ft 1955 Mack Diesel flatbed Bee truck and bought $22,000.00 in wood, windows,doors, many rolls of 12/2 house wiring and took it to my 1/2 acre lot, on the Kings River.    I  put it together ( with my hired subs help  ) into a 1,512 square foot, 3 bedroom house.  

 I put in  valeted ceilings, a wall safe and floor safe (  in the concrete foundation ) seven 52-inch room fans and wall-hung 1920's pisser's I bought off an old plummer, in a local bar for $20.00 each.  They came out of a Lemoore,Ca. bar that burned down.

   When my home-made  building plans were approved, by our local  County's Building Dept., my permit  fees came to + $133.00.

      I no longer work,...so... I thought I would see about doing it again.....so.... I lined-up a corner lot, at the other end of my street  and called the County's Building Dept. to see what a new building permit would cost ?

    I about fell out of my chair.....+$30,000.00 !   :diablo: :diablo:     They have all kinds of add-on fees put into a new building permit.... yep ! ........  Inviro' Impact fees up the Wa-Zoo !  :angry2:

 That killed that  idea  :skull:!

   I spent most of my day handicapping " 72 Hours at the Craps Table "  using... " 3+ CAPPING"  with the  5-step double-up progression and JP's..."  RICOCHET SYSTEM."

  I used the above 3+ Capping at Harraha's Ricon and at  the Paula Indian Casino in Northern SD on my last trip.   I had to get home so I played card-craps for  just 45 minutes at Harraha's and 35 minutes at the Paula Casino.

  I cashed $1,750.00 at Harraha's  and $1,275.00 at the Paula Casino.   :yahoo: :good: :thumbsup: :dance1:

  I was playing 3+Capping at the Paula Casino, an awesome looking Casino,  and the player to my right saw I was playing the DP side and he said :

" I AM NOT PLAYING NEXT TO A DP PLAYER !"....so...in a huff....he picked-up his chips and left...how rude !  :spiteful:

  Boy.... this way of play is going to have me moving to Vegas !   :dance1:   ( I'm looking for a house in Vegas now ...using the web )

     When I get my Broadband back, after Midnight, I will post stats. from ...." 72 Hours At The Craps Table."  :rtfm:

 Party On White-Lights !  
Jim


Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 05, 2011, 08:32:28 AM
Yo...Screwed-by-the-Wal-Street-Crooks-Fellow Earthbounds.... :swoon: :o :o :o :o :angry2:

   The IRS sent me a letter saying they checked-in my tax return and then they lost it .....hummmmmm ?

  The first page of " 72 Hours At The Craps Table"  starts on page #5.  If you have the 14,967 back-to-back craps roll book, you can follow along starting on page #5.

   I am using the 3+Capping... Not 4+Capping  because it works alot better with more plays per hour.

   The first play is a DP-Capping-play leading into a PL $$$ play and it does not have the RICOCHET or the player-Hedging

bias that  a string of  PL wins leading into the DP-$$$-play has.

 Therefore, we bet 4 times less when using the 5-step progression.... 50,100,200,400,800  vs 200,400,800,1,200, 1,600.

  PAGE #5 :

67
2
47
3
97
87
97
66.....Capped !
57 =  -$50.00
88 = +$100.00 ..... net = +$50.00

===========================================================

88
66
1010
55
67 = ....Capped !
967

 A quick-scan of previous numbers ( it take only a mili-second ) :

#5....2 rolls ago
#9....5 rolls ago
#10...9 rolls ago
#4....12 rolls ago.....#4 is the longest " no show " number & our 100% lay-bet hedge # to protect our DP  C/0 bet .  :good:

 We put up a  $400.00 " no 4 " Pre- C/0 Lay bet on the 4 and at the same time put $200.00 in the DP box. The shooter rolls a "9" as the point ...so... we take-sown our $400.00 protection bet and wait for the outcome = 967....

RESULTS : ..... A +200.00 win.
======================================================================

67
97
67
2
97
88.............Capped !
7 =............................ +$50.00
=======================================================================

57
97
107
3
67
107
7.......................Capped !
11 =....................................+$50.00

END OF PAGE #5 :  Net = + $350.00

  I am going to do every 5th page   :rtfm: ....so.... next is page #10.  :pleasantry:

Cheers !    

Jim







   
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 05, 2011, 01:56:39 PM
Hi Jim!

Question for you (please understand NOT a criticism of your play, just a comment)

Why do you use the Ric and RISK that hedge bet when you could use the PATRICK and get the SAME benefit (no 7 hurts you on the come out)?  :smile:

With the money your risking/betting on the hedge number, especially if it hits and you lose the bet, the loss is HUGE!! AND IT'S TOTALLY AVOIDABLE!! :shout:

From JP's board:

The Patrick simply has a different opening move.  Instead of bypassing the C/O, you bet equal amounts on the P/L and the D/P.  These offset each other, 35 out of 36 possible combinations.  On a 12, you loose the P/L and push the D/P.  On a 7,11, 2, or 3, one wins the other looses.  Even steven.

Once the Point is established, you place "free odds" behind the D/P number.  Basically enough to buy $20 in "insurance against the 7.  Now you place the $15 D/P.  Once the D/P travels, take down the free odds.  And go from there.  Same as the ric.

What's the difference? I know JP would tell you that the Patrick is for the smaller bankroll and the ric for a larger bankroll.  This is true as you can always go with the small offsetting P/L-D/P bets or a small free odds.

Personally, I prefer the Patrick as I can avoid the %5 vig on the Lay bet.  Every little bit adds up.

Lets assume a co (come out) roll of a 5.  next roll is a 10, next roll is a 7 out.  Lets see what happens

Patrick: $15 on P/DP. . ok come out roll is a 5.  Now you put 30 odds on DP and 15 on Dont come. . . . next roll is the 10, your DC goes to the 10 and you take down your odds on the DP.  Now the 7 hits. . . . . P/dp is a wash. . . . . and you win with pso.  You never have to worry about the 41 no 10 biteing you.

On the ric with the same numbers you bypass he CO all together. . so 5 becomes the point.  you put up a 41 no 10 to protect your now 15 DC. . . the fricken 10 comes. . . . you loose the 41 on the no 10 and now your 15 dont come goes to the 10. . . . then 7 out of which you win 15 but lost 41 on the no 10 so you are down 26 for that series.

The patrick will give you protection against the quick 10 biteing you ever again.  But you get crap fom the dealers sometime where the ric you dont.  Me, The crap they give me dont bother me. 

:thumbsup:

I LOVE your method of play, just HATE  :ok: to see you expose your self to an UNNECESSARY bet/loss!! :aggressive:

At any rate, your successful, and I love reading your exploits. . .  just cringe when I read about the "HEDGE" :diablo:
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 05, 2011, 03:05:38 PM
Yo Audionut, All.........

   Good post and points.   I do not know why JP prefers the Ricochet ?
 
 I do not know why JP waits for the point to set-up and then uses the DC to bet on ? :scratch_ones_head:

 Why is he giving up the   " very-common "   point-seven-out cash ( $$$$) ?

  In your example when the 10....  "  RICOCHETED "  back and killed-off your  hedge bet....you have the edge over the Casino that the 10  WILL NOT  come back ( 2 to 1 ) so..... you need to take odds for enough $$$ to cover the hedge-bet loss.

 At this point, I  am not trying to make $$$$ ...I am trying to restore my gaming kitty to where it was before the play.

   Martin Silverthorne's.... "Neural Gaming System "   uses a  recovery-of-your-losses  play.   His 8-step progression  breaks-even on his  third  bet.    Say..... you bet 25.00 and lose it..... the next bet is for $40.00 and you also lose it..... the next bet is for $65.00 and you win it.  

  What has happened ?   You have LOST  66.66% of your bets ( 2 out of 3 ) but it has NOT cost you a dime !   How cool is that ?   :clapping: :yahoo: :good: :thumbsup:  His recovery game is a 100% double-up game.

 So...John Patrick likes the Ricochet over the Patrick for larger $$$ betting ....hummmm ?

  Adding the "3+Capping"  or " 4+Capping "  and hedging-out, at 100%.... the points of 6 and 8 gives this way of play a  nice player's-edge over the Casino !    :yahoo: :clapping: :yes: :dance1:

  On a rare play,  I will lose the Ricochet bet, the bet where the point went to and the odds bet.    That is why I do not bet a massive amount of cash on these bets.....JUST ENOUGH TO COVER MY JUST OCCURED LOSSES.  :rtfm:

 Losing the above bets requires a 100% to 300%  step-up recovery-of--loses progression.  If you are playing a $15.00 game  a 3x recovery game works well.

   That means stepping up to a $50.00 game until the lost $$$ is recovered then reverting to your $15.00 game.

   Back-testing and pretending , while  back-testing,  that I am at a real Casino is  key  ( for me )  to winning.

Jim

 
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 05, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
 " In your example when the 10. . . .   "  RICOCHETED "  back and killed-off your  hedge bet. . . . you have the edge over the Casino that the 10  WILL NOT  come back ( 2 to 1 ) so. . . . .  you need to take odds for enough $$$ to cover the hedge-bet loss.

  At this point, I  am not trying to make $$$$ . . . I am trying to restore my gaming kitty to where it was before the play. " :diablo:


Jim, thats my point exactly!! Your risking a hedge bet and a loss just "trying to restore your gaming kitty". . .  NO NEED!!

Play the PATRICK!! Same benefit (no risk of getting hurt by the come out 7) and NO HEDGE BET TO POTENTIALLY LOSE!! LESS RISK, MORE MONEY!!!  :pleasantry: ;D

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 05, 2011, 03:41:30 PM
"On a rare play,  I will lose the Ricochet bet, the bet where the point went to and the odds bet.     That is why I do not bet a massive amount of cash on these bets. . . . . JUST ENOUGH TO COVER MY JUST OCCURED LOSSES.   "

My point again. . .  DON'T USE THE RICOCHET BET,  just play the PATRICK!!! DOES'NT NEED A HEDGE BET that will cost you if you lose it!!!!

:give_heart:
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 06, 2011, 05:11:44 AM
Yo Audionut, All......

  I have been researching th ...PATRICK ...Vs .....RICHOCHET  and indeed they are almost the same with the same loss risks.

   John Patrick posted on the .. " Richrochet Quandry "  ...thread :  

   " Anthony.....read the Richochet chapters and the total concept of the Richochet....I think you will agree that NOTHING

beats it.....ABSOLUTELY NOTHIING  ! "

   I am reading  the...' Kevin from Atlanta ' post in the thread ..." Richochet '  (  12/05/07).  He lays the two systems out,

side by side.

Testing........    
I will take advice from anyone.  I want to win without ego-games.

Respectfully,
Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 06, 2011, 09:58:56 PM
Check out the CURRENT discussion on JP's board: "Difference between Patrick vs Ric" by Roger. . .  It's on the "front page" if you check it out soon. . .

The reason the Patrick is favored is that there is NO need to hedge ANY number at the come out.   You STILL will have NO CHANCE of the 7 beating you on the CO roll!!

Why would you risk 100's of dollars on the Ric hedging a number to do the same exact thing (a different way for the 7 not to hurt you)?

Please, I apologize if I'm comming off strong or argumentative . . . .  Not my intent. . .  just hate to see you put a bunch of money at risk that there is NO need for you to do so (just to have the 7 not hurt you). . .

Best of luck to you. . .  by all means, play the way you see fit. . .  I STILL love reading your posts!!

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 07, 2011, 08:36:16 AM
Audionut,

  Why are you fixated on avoiding the come-out 7 ?  

 The exposure-to-loss in the same using ..."the Patrick. "

   Your..." loss-exposure" ... is switched to the Patrick DC point-come-out-roll  instead of the Richochet come-out-roll.

  Samething ....different road.  

The RICHOCHET  is a better road.   :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :clapping: :good: :thumbsup:

    Jesssss.... the Posters on the thread you posted ... " DO NOT GET IT ! "   They do not use the laws-of-probability (by looking back to the just-rolled numbers )  to set the hedge-point.

I just posted  there.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 I am going to go to page #8 and then post every-other page because it throws-off a larger pool of outcome-numbers.

72 HOURS AT THE CRAPS TABLE:
PAGE #8 and
Play #1 :.....

7
5 6 11 5
7
5 6 2 5
11
5 4 610 8 7....Above string..."Capped " looking back =
===================================
10...3 rolls ago
4.....5 rolls ago
5.....6 rolls ago
9.....22 rolls ago...so..."9"... is our 100% hedge # against the C/O roll Killing-off our DP bet.   :rtfm:

 Therefore, we  LAY-BET the nine for $300.00 and ,at the same-time,  we put $200.00 in the DP box  

  . The pt. comes-up a "5."  We take-down our  $300.00 hedge-bet and wait for the outcome......57 = +$200.00   :
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PLAY #2....

9689
7
66
10117 =..." Capped"... looking back =

10...3 rolls ago
9.....7 rolls ago
4.....22 rolls ago
5.....25 rolls ago..."5" is our hedge #

we Lay-bet  the five for  $300.00 & put $200.00 in the DP box.  The pt. is the  "10." We take=down our $300.00 hedge-bet and wait for the outcome = 107 = +$200.00 ...sweet !    :yahoo:

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PLAY #3....

656
11
8699118
86597...."Capped".....looking back :

9.....2 rolls ago
5.....3 rolls ago
10...16 rolls ago
4......40 rolls ago...Wow ! ...so... "4" is our hedge #

We Lay-bet $400.00 ..."No 4 "... and we  put $200.00 in the DP box... The pt. is  the "10."  We take-down the $400.00 hedge bet and we wait for the outcome.....1069115957 =  +$200.00    :yahoo:

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PLAY #4.....

86597
1069115957
510337
12
1087
598264697
8113997
87
98885686125457
7 ....Capped....jessss ...a long step-over run !  Betting +$50.00 PL ( A pre-flop  bet )  next ....
7 = ............... +$50.00   :yahoo:

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PLAY #5.......

7
7
454
5129494101212114461082987....Capped !  =
2
1057
===============================
9.....3 rolls ago
10...6 rolls ago
4.....8 rolls ago
5....19 rolls ago.....so....the "5' is our hedge-bet  #....
================================

We Lay-bet the "5" for $300.00 and put $200.00 in the DP box.
 The pt.  number is the "2" and we win +$200.00 !
 We leave-up our "5" hedge-bet for $300.00 because this play has " NOT  went  " seven-out "  yet    We put another $200.00 in the DP box.
 The pt. is the "10."
We take down our $300.00 hedge-bet and wait for the outcome =
10,5,7 = ..................   +$200.00 ....sweet !    :yahoo:

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PLAY #6....

57
107
2
107
107
55....Capped.  Betting $50.00 ...next... on the PL...
66 =  ..... +$50.00 ...........  :yahoo:

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PLAY #7......

55
66
7
8108
6991192386
51181297....Capped =
539641265
97
==================
5.....6 rolls ago
9.....2 rolls ago
10...17 rolls ago
4.....38 rolls ago....Wow !
==================

 We Lay-bet the "4" for $400.00 and place $200.00 in the DP box.  The pt. is the "5."  We take-down our $400.00 Lay-bet and wait for the outcome =

539641265  =  .... -$200.00.  We...once again.... Lay-bet against the upcoming  C/O 7  =
======================================================
5......1 roll ago
4......4 rolls ago
9......6 rolls ago
10....25 rolls ago
=======================================================
  The   " 10 " is our hedge number....
 We  Lay-bet  $800.00  = "No 10."
We put $400.00 in the DP box.
 The pt. is " 9. "   We take-down our lay-bet of $800.00 and wait for the outcome.

97 = .+$400.00... for a net profit of... +$200.00 for the play !...........................................   :yahoo:

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PLAY #8
The last play on page #8......

 I  try to hedge-out all of 4's  and 10's when they set-up as the point and  I need them to come-back as points because the odds of that happening are 2 to 1 against me.

 I do not like those odds... so... I  lay-bet a  hedge-bet against that happening.

1027
67
87
7...Capped.....betting the PL for $50.00 on next roll.....
2 =   -$50.00 ....betting $100.00 on PL on next roll....
2 =   -$100.00 ...... betting $200.00 on PL on next roll....
457  After the pt. is set, hedge-out my $200.00 PL bet with a $400.00 lay-bet = " no 4." = $ 0.00 won/lost... repeat bet....
1012859510 = $200.00 in PL box and $400.00 Lay-bet = " No 10" -$400.00.  Placing $600.00 in PL box next...
41157  = After the  pt. is set,  lay-bet " No 4 " for  $1,200.00 = $0.00 won/lost.   Repeat bet.... $600.00 in PL box =
7 = ....... +$600.00

END OF PAGE #8

  Yes, I know that this is alot of $$$$$ to be betting but it is based on countless hours of practice.

        Often, at the craps table, I will say to myself... "This craps-play is just like practice last night. "  It becomes hard to tell practice from real play......and that is good..... because I will make the big $$$$ plays, when needed.

These big $$$$ plays  are  based on 1,000's of practice rolls using real recorded numbers.

 If you back-test craps numbers ( MP says..."Practice until you puke !"  ) you will too !

THOUGHTS ?
Jim























Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 08, 2011, 10:17:39 AM
Audionut (AN)....

   I stand corrected.

    The Patrick does create DC C/O bet protection.   I am testing using it with the " 3+Capping

System. "   

       Getting a DP point-number " up"  gives NO bias as to whether it will win or lose.

   The ..."3+Capping "  and ..." 4+Capping System "  biases a player's-edge.... to winning the bet.

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 08, 2011, 10:28:31 AM
Super! Like I said before, I enjoy reading your posts. . . .  I just wanted to try and save you some money on a bet that is not needed  :give_rose:

Keep up the good work!  :pleasantry:
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 09, 2011, 11:12:42 AM
YO...Fellow...."   :skull: Soon-to-be-Living-With-Our-Non-Earthbound-Kin  :skull:  ".... White-Light Spirits !  

  I am Not impressed with the " PATRICK  SYSTEM."  

It fails  often when compared to  " THE RICOCHET. "

   My last play on page #12 had my DC  point number as a five.   Sure enough....the danm "5" came up  before the 7 !

   The result was  -$200.00's using the Patrick...vs...  +$228.00 using the RicocheT.  A $428.00 $$ swing.   :pleasantry:

    Why  did this happen ?  The two systems are very much alike....

     It seems to be  in the " Laws of Probability. "  

 Looking back over the previously thrown 4,5,9 and 10's and choosing the number   that HAS NOT COME-UP THE LONGEST  has a  real  big-time  effect on the outcome of the play.

  With the Patrick, the numbers are totally random.....with the Ricochet we are following the number-biases, for that table, at that exact time by picking the least likely- to-appear hedge number.

  I have NOT  been knocked-off my  RIC hedge- number in 1,000's of dice throws !    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yahoo:

Cheers !
Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 14, 2011, 02:35:18 PM
Yo ....Kindred   Earthbounds............

    I had to go to San Diego last week.  I comp-booked into  Harraha's Ricon Indian Casino located  8 miles North of Escondito, Ca.  My Brother lives within 6 miles of the Casino.

   I hooked up my 14 foot lightweight  Costco  trailer to my 2000  Chevy 4-cyl., 79 HP Metro to drag behind my put-put car the 755 miles  ( RT ) to San Diego.     I bought a 12 foot A-Frame ladder, on EBAY,  that I needed to pick-up in Downtown  SD.

   I  started my trip last Wed. Morning at 6:00AM.  I was  not sure I should  take the LA Freeway 210 past Pasadena due to what happened the last time I went past Pasadena ( read about what happened to me  in the above post ).

   I DID NOT WHAT TO FIND MYSELF IN MY PAST LIFE AGAIN !    It  totally freaked me out the last time !  :swoon:

   I went ahead and used  the 210 Freeway with NO PROBLEMS .....but.... I took a bottle of  Wal Mart's ... " Stay Awake "  pills in my cars ashtray.

   I drove directly to Harraha's  Ricon Casino.   I drove my put-put car with the  trailer attached  at 52MPH.  I arrived at the Casino at 2:30PM ....Yep ! ....8 1/2 hours from my starting time.

   I was tired but I  still played card craps until I became really, really tired. i then went to the cash cage to cash in two very large Brown Chips.  The   smiley-faced cashier gal  said :

     " When you come to Harraha's  Ricon, we expect you to lose money  "  She was smiling but she meant what she said.

END OF PART #1................

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 16, 2011, 10:11:07 AM
Yo, Fellow, Kindred......  " 25-Watt Street-Light-Killers "   :good:

   Big O'  and Montel Williams have both done one hour programs on how we Humans have "  Mental-Abilities"  to alter Street Lights !   :rtfm:

     Man O' Man do I ever enjoy doing that !      Google:  " Street Light Sliders " ....hit search....up pops mega information...

      Anyway, I am going to go back to Harraha's  Ricon Casino next week.   They give me 20 Five-Dollar promo-chips each time I show up  and with the free rooms and  free food credits, it is hard not to take.  

       I  have unfinished Medical proceedures to do in Tijuana, Mexico and I need to get legal stuff from my Brother in Escondito, Ca.   As I stated above, he lives just minutes from the Ricon Casino.

   My main fear, on this trip,  was driving past Pasadena, Ca. on Freeway 210.   I did not want to slide-back into my Mexican gardener...1920's life again.

        I have a block-of-missing-time from my last trip  through Pasadena and I have  " No Idea "  where it went or what I was doing during that missing time !  :swoon:

        I was shaking like an un-balanced washing machine the last time I recovered from being in that Park ......off the wall stuff ...U-think ?   :swoon:

  Anyway :

   I have been running my current  trips Card-Craps real recorded numbers  looking for random-number-patterns to exploit and I must say....... I found them !    :thumbsup:

     I will lay-out this... " Killer-Drop-Dead-In-Your-Tracks  "  way to exploit California Card-Craps in my next post.....  

    You then can use your own craps numbers to  back-test-the-hell-out-of-what-I-am-going-to-post to prove to yourself if it works for you.

        So far, it has totally blown-me-away how well it works !    :lol:    Adding a " stop-loss " rule seems to  make it ... BULLET-PROOF !    :pleasantry: :yahoo: :ok:  

       It is an improved (safer ) version of the 4+ Same-Way-Outcome-System, I told you about, in an above post.

      As you remember, I posted 124 winning outcomes, in Roulette.  They were back-to-back wins !    :yahoo:

End of Part #2.

Respectfully,
Jim


Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 16, 2011, 03:44:35 PM
Yo,  Kindred Carbon-Based  25-Watt Generators............. :dance1:

  I just finished back-testing page #10 in GBC's ... " 72 Hours At The Crap Table. "  I will lay-out the last play on page #10.

   It shows all  the plays you need to use my system :

Play #6 :

9,6,9
10,3,10
5,8,6,5
7
10,7....Above 4 PL wins are now ..." CAPPED " by DP win of 10,7...Start System after looking back for the  100% DP pre- C/O  hedge # to protect our DP bet against being knocked-off by a C/O 7 : =
========================================================================
10 appeared 2 rolls ago
5 appeared   4 rolls ago
9 appeared  9 rolls ago
4 appeared  28  rolls ago....so... "4" is our PRE- C/O  100% PROTECT-THE- DP-BOX-BET against the C/O 7 HEDGE # BET
==========================================================================
  We  say..."$200.00  lay-bet on the four.  "  We also, at the same time,  put $100.00 in the DP box. The pt. is "7."
7  ...so.... we lose our $100.00  DP bet but we  win our 100% hedge bet on the ..." No 4 " =  zero win/loss for the play.

    We again put on a.... +$200.00 lay-bet ..." No 4 "  and a $100.00 bet in the DP box.  The PT. is..... " 6. "   we take-down our $200.00 lay-bet on the " 4.  Our $100.00 DP bet travels to the pt. of " 6." "    We  PLACE-BET the  "6" PT.  for
$96.00....  We now have a 100% hedge-bet going.....we win no matter what !

6,6..... The  PT. comes back as a " 6 " and we win +$16.00 net !   How cool is that ? Next, we ( Pre-C/0 )  Bring  the  $200.00 " No 4 " back up and we again  put  $100.00 in the DP box.   The pt. comes up "5".....so we take down our $200.00 ..." No 4 "  hedge bet and wait for the outcome....

5,6,3,5  ....We lose our $100.00 DP bet =  -$100.00.  We Pre C/O roll now say "  $400.00 No 4 "  and we put, at the same time, $200.00 in the DP box.   The Point is an ..."8."    We take-down our $400.00 ..."No 4 " hedge bet and " Place bet the point of " 8 "  for +$192.00.

8,8   .... The point comes back  and we win + $32.00 Net ! .... With " NO "  outcome risk !  :yahoo:  Next, we bring back our $400.00 ..."No 4 " lay-bet and at the same time,  put $200.00 in the DP box.  The point comes up... " 7" .
7....... We have another... 100%  hedge outcome ....Zero  WIN/LOSS.   We bring back our $400.00  " No 7 " LAY hedge bet and at the same time, we put $200.00 in the DP box.    The point comes up .." 5"  ...so...we take-down our $400.00  .."No 4 "  hedge protection lay-bet    and wait for the outcome......
5,4,6,11,7    ...We win +$200.00 and net +$100.00 for this play.  

Our total net-winnings for the last play on page #10 ... +$248.00.

 What would the outcomes  have been if we did not hedged-out the points . of 6 and 8's  and we had not  used  John Patrick's Ricochet System  ?

STRAIGHT-UP  5-STEP NEG. PROGRESSION PLAY :

9,6,9
10,3,10
5,8,6,5
10,7....Above 3 PL wins  now ..." CAPPED. " by the DP win ...10,7... so...start the 5-step progression to another DP win...
7.... -$100.00  ...Put  $200.00 in DP box for for next roll......
66 ...= -$200.00.  We now put $400.00 in the  DP box for our next roll......
5,6,3,5 .... =  -$400.00.   we double-up to $800.00 for our next rolling outcome.....
8,8..........   =  - $800.00....so....we now put $1,600.00  in the DP box for the next rolling outcome......
7 ............   =  - $1,600.00 ...Ouch !   We now put $3,200.00 in the  DP box for the next rolling outcome......
5,4,6,11,7 ...=   +$3,200.00 for a +$100.00 net gain.

  It is clear that using JP's Richochet System and 100% hedging-out the 6 and 8  points... hooked  into  the "3+ Capping System when betting in the DP box, is the way to play this System......U think ?

jim

Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 16, 2011, 06:42:46 PM
I LOVE your above example EXCEPT for risking over $1000 that you didn't need to risk!  :blink:

Every time you make the no 4 (or whatever number has not come up the longest) you are laying/risking TWICE the amount you want to win. 

Lets just take your first "game" example. . .  ok. . .  100 on don't pass. . . .  $200 on no 4. . .  7 hits and you break even. . .  and you had $300 total on the line. . .  ($100 extra on the hedge bet that you DIDN'T need to risk)

What happens if the 4 hits (which CAN and WILL happen)? You LOSE a net of $100.  WHY RISK IT?

Using the Patrick. . .  just put $50 on PASS and $50 on Don't Pass. . .  7 hits, break even, only $100 total on line. .  AND I DID'NT RISK A CENT!!!  If they have "triple" odds, my first bet could be $25/$25. . . .  JUST $50 TOTAL!

If 4 hits, I place my NO RISK D/C bet (by hedging the same or less amount in free odds) and see what happens.

2nd game. . .  again, another $300 using Ric. . .  You get lucky again and take down your $200 hedge, place the 6 for another hedge. .  Good win (risked $100 with no need, but you still won)

I, however, place $50 PL and $50 DP line (NO MONEY RISKED); six is the point, I put $96 FREE odds  on my PL bet and $100 on DC. . . .  I also win BUT WITH NET NO MONEY RISKED!! 

3rd game. .  starts to get worse for YOU.   We both lose our $100 DP (you) or DC (Me).  You ALSO risked an extra $100 on your no 4 hedge, but got lucky cause it didn't hit.  BUT WHY EVEN RISK IT????

4th game. . . Now your up to $600 total dollars, I'm at $200 total for the initial bet (actually could be at $100 with triple odds).   You choose to risk an ADDITIONAL $200 on your no 4 hedge bet at come out (why do you do this?), I choose to RISK NOTHING because my bets even out.  8 is the point, I hedge my DC with the free odds and MAKE THE SAME PROFIT YOU DO WITH NO I REPEAT NO
RISK!!!

:pleasantry: :swoon: :smile: :scratch_ones_head: :shout:
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 16, 2011, 10:11:10 PM
I can go on and on thru your example. . . .  I can not only MEET every one of your bets from a profit standpoint, but I will BEAT you in the long run BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE YOUR HEDGE BET AT SOME TIME !!!

I will NEVER LOSE DOLLARS on my hedge bets!!!!  WHY WOULD I WANT TO??????

I work to hard for my money to put it at risk the way you are doing. . . .

YOUR SYSTEM IS TERRIFIC!!! AND IT DOES WORK FOR YOU!!! I just think I'm showing you a way to IMPROVE it. . . .

It's your money man!   DON'T THROW IT AWAY!!!
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 16, 2011, 10:44:55 PM
Yo A/N.....

   Ok ....I will completely re-run page #10....play #6... using the .." PATRICK"  this evening and compare outcomes.

I see your point on the risk ...vs...rewards.

   I need to find out why JP says ....." For the  larger Bankrolled Player, use the... Ric. "   :scratch_ones_head:
..........hummmmm ?

Tks  Audionut.............

Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 17, 2011, 11:03:27 AM
Yo Earth-Bounds............

  A-Nut ------ I had to forage awhile but I found why John Patrick, personally, DOES-NOT play... " THE PATRICK. "

   A detailed 8-page rant can be found by using  JP's  search-engine and bringing up the  thread : " No Patrick allowed in

Indian Casino."

  John Patrick posts----

   " Wayne......You should play... " the  PATRICK " ... but if your bankroll can handle it....go with  " RICHOCHET....because....

 the   Casino's can't  pick it up and it is a.... " BETTER  PLAY "  .....because you..."  NEVER "... have to have the 6 or 8 as the protecting number using the   RICHOCHET.     The  " PATRICK  " does let the 6 and 8 become the protector.........

   Play   " the  RICHOCHET "   if  you can bring $150.00 to the craps table......

    I have said this before :

               " IF EVERY DO-NOT PASS  BETTOR  PLAYED THE RICHOCHET , FOR ONE MONTH, THE

  CASINO'S WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE CRAPS-TABLE BETTING RULES...... "

      I could post  many more  reasons why " the RICOCHET "   is better than  " the PATRICK.  "    

    Many of the reasons can be found  in the above 9-page thread.    I do not like  " the PATRICK "    and have never played

it after  back-testing it.

       I  too  found   NOT  being able to... " hedge-out "...  the 6 or 8 as the .... " Protector Point " .... REALLY did suck  !
 
    Jim
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: audionut on August 17, 2011, 06:02:10 PM
Like I said before, it's your money, Jim.

I have no idea what you mean by not being able to hedge out the 6 or 8. . .  you simply make your free odds bet when that number comes up as the point, OR place the numbers like you do now!! LOL. . .

It's too bad your choosing the Ric just because of an opinion taken out of context of the way your playing it rather then the math that is staring you in the face. . .  The math DOES NOT LIE, and for those smart enough to understand it, the choice is easy!@!!  but thats ok, math was not my strong suit either. . . !!

Anyway, keep on truckin'!!!

I wish you the best and will continue to enjoy your posts. . .
Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Sys
Post by: W7 on August 18, 2011, 02:48:54 AM
Audio-Nut, All............

   I  am  going to chart-out  the last 2 plays of my last  night's  Ca.  Card-Craps session, on Aug. 11th, at  Harraha's Ricon Indian Casino,  in Northern San Diego County.

     This is the  best way to show the " merits " of the Ricochet-Craps-System  vs. the Patrick-Craps-System.  :rtfm:


  The Outcomes of the green-and-red dice being mated to the green-and-red card numbers, that were run through dual electric-auto-shufflers  ( one green and  one red shuffler.... ) next to the sitting boxman,  were :

A]...DP = 3................
B]...PL  = 41010394...
C]...PL  = 5125.....
D]...PL =  8496268....
E]...DP =  107.........
F]...DP =  67....
G].. DP = 57......
H]...PL =  11.........
I]... PL =  866655412948......
J]... DP =  628867.......
K]...DP =  47........................
......End Of 1st  Harraha's Ricon Card-Craps Session.
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 Above  Card Craps numbers using the.... "PATRICK SYSTEM" :

B]...PL
C]...PL
D]...PL
E]...DP ...Above 3 PL wins now "Capped " by this DP win... Before next C/O roll put  $200.00 in the DP box and, at the same time,  put $200.00 in the PL box......
  Wait for the " POINT " to be rolled......  
  The " 6 "  is rolled as the point ....[F]
   Put $200.00 next to the DP bet as ..." FREE ODDS."
   At the same time, put $200.00 in the DC box and then  wait for the next roll.  
   The next roll brings-back the point of "6. " [F] and we "  push "  our $ 200.00 DP bet with our $200.00 PL bet...but...
 we were 'unable " to hedge-out the point of 6.  
We  'LOSE'   our  'free odds " bet of -$200.00.
  Our $200.00 DC bet becomes a "6"  and it travels behind the  " 6 " box for upcoming roll resolution.
  The Patrick has left us down  - $200.00  on this ...."  PATRICK PLAY."
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Above Card Craps numbers using the ..."RICHOCHET SYSTEM " :

B]...PL
C]...PL
D]...PL
E]...DP .....Above three PL wins now... " Capped " by [E] = 107.   Quickly scanning back, the just-recorded numbers, for the LONGEST ..."non-appearing" , 4,5,9 or 10 ...........

9 appeared  7 rolls ago...
4 appeared  8 rolls ago...
5 appeared  10 rolls ago....
10 appeared 16 rolls ago....so... "10" is our 100% hedge-number to take-away the  " C/O 7"  from the Casino.
We  now say ...."Laying the 10 for 400.00" .... and at the same time, we put $200.00 in the DP box and wait for the point to be rolled next.....
 The  "6" is rolled,  as the point.
 We " take down " our $400.00  DP  protection...." LAY-BET" ... against the C/O 7 knocking-off our C/O DP box bet.
Our $200.00 DP  bet... now ...travels behind the "6."
I will.. 100% HEDGE-OUT... the point of "6"  because the 6 and 8 points come-back and make their  points to often.

I  now ..." PLACE-BET "..... the point of "6" for +$192.00.    I wait for the next roll.......

The six  " comes back"   as the point and I lose my DP  bet of $200.00....but.... I  make +$232.00 on my place-bet of +$192.00  for a NET  win of .... $32.00 ! ....with " No Risk" !!!    :scratch_ones_head: :shout: :yahoo: :good:

 I am playing this way now.  It is JP's idea and he says he does the same by hedging-out the  6 and 8 pts.

     IT is the safest bet on the craps table.  When  the 6/ 8 points  are made....IT PAYS +16% !   :shout: :yahoo: :pleasantry: :shout: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :good: :dance1: :dance1: :dance1:

The Patrick lost -$200.00.  
The Richochet  made +$32.00.  

That is a $232.00 swing. and  is the reason the " Ricochet "  is the better-bet according to their creator...John Patrick.

  I made this exact-type play just before I drove the 350 miles home from Harraha's  Ricon on the 11th of this Month.

  I had a $1,200.00 hedge-bet as ...." No 4 "   :rtfm:  and it worked great !   :yahoo:

Thoughts ?
Jim



Title: Re: Using the 4/10, The 77 Craps System(W/Ricochet) & The 2,3,11 & 12 Craps Systems
Post by: mogul397 on April 23, 2016, 10:20:59 PM
Is anyone still here?

Or playing this method?