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Title: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 10, 2008, 08:09:33 PM
Hi, I'm the mighty swarm  8)

And I am here to talk about the perfect loser methodology...

What is this?

The perfect loser is a profile that most of the people have inside of them , and it fully help them to lose fortunes in a very short period of time.

Yes is you when you leave on casino losing more than can you afore, it is you when you stay at the table to lose all, it is you using systems that are fool having the fake believing that when you win you will get back all, is you when you belive you can sucefully use numerical patterns, is you when you use negative progressions, is you when you want to win a fortune with just a small bankroll,is you when you win and you dont leave, is you you you..........

And we can work to change all that....

cheers......



Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 10, 2008, 09:18:25 PM
Lord, count me in!!
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: VLSroulette on August 11, 2008, 02:55:09 AM
Hello Swarm my mate. If you are really going to develop what I think you are saying you want to develop, then I offer you a section for being a repository of the basic -and hopefully advanced- teachings of beating this game with the "locations dance" from colors/dozen/lines/corner/street/splits... and splits/street/corner/lines/dozen/colors... ;)

Would you like to have your very own "Swarm's overflow" section to serve as a devoted place for your teachings? I will be more than happy of having the forum honored with a particular space devoted to them for easy reference and finding.

Best regards to you, Fạllschirm Meister :)

Your friend,
Victor
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 11, 2008, 09:28:52 AM
Hi Victor , first we have too see if people get interest on stop being the perfect loser.

I will be happy to help them to locate on themselfs what they have from that profile and then erase it........

But also is not my teachings , the perfect loser come from Master Manrique starting on year 2004 , and since then i been mastering this.

So it will be a honor to serve comunity sharing this.

Cheers.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 11, 2008, 10:21:52 AM
So on this game there is no magic formulas, this game to me is a lot like chess , and on chess also you dont have formulas , but you have laws and strategy, basic things that any player should know like fight for the center.....

Then to keep you away from perfect loser profile we have some laws too, this ones come from murphy and others , and manrique rename all that as manrique's laws, because he start using this laws to play roulette.

First law

1ª.- You have to put a limit on losings, and never limit your winnings.



Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 11, 2008, 10:24:15 AM
2nd Law

2ª.-Everything that can happen will happen.

( Yes that you don't want to happen, it will )


Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 11, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
Next law

3 .The bad moments , better catch them betting little.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 11, 2008, 10:36:50 AM
Next law

4.All of the losing strikes start with the first bad spin


(This can look stupid but think about it)
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 12, 2008, 01:01:32 AM
NEXT LAW

"5" Once you win something 1 chip or more , THAT BELONG TO YOU , especially if you leave the casino...
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 12, 2008, 01:57:33 PM
NEXT LAW

"6" there is not a 2 without a 3

So if something happend one time, it can happend again , and if happend 2 times, for sure can happend 3 or more...

Then if you have 20 reds ..... yes red can come again.



Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 12, 2008, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 03:01:18 PM
Swarm,
 
"You have to put a limit on losings" Yes true.
 
"and never limit your winnings" Not true.
 
A structured system must minimise losses and there must be a realistic exit strategy for wins,  either based on repeated wins for EC or the optimum level for numbers, so that a number of exceptional wins at the optimum level will more than cancel out the losses.
 
Repeated wins for EC refers to for example if +10 has increased to +13, then back to +10, then down to +7, then back to +10 for the third time, then exit.
 
Mr Chips

Dear Mr chips , if you limit your winnings many times you will miss important and vital winning strikes.

But truth we can not do it without organization... thats why manrique teach that we only try very risky moves to increase the winnings, when we alredy get our goal for that day, and we have some "extra" over that goal.

Then we only use the extra on a very agressive way and we leave on the first losing.

If we won we will have a very importan amount like with 14 chips we will make more than 200 , but if we lose , it was the extra only , we still leave as winners that day.

The perfect loser lose fortunes by doing very risky move when he is losing , we have to reverse that to win fortunes.

Cheers.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 12, 2008, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 03:35:45 PM
Swarm,
 
I have to tell you, nothing personal, but that is a very amateur way to play roulette.
 
So many times I have seen players get "winning strikes". They think they are on a roll and end up losing what they have won and get their wallet out, with the inevetable result of an eventual 'losing session'.
 
Of course they won't "leave on the first losing". This type of play cannot be based on a structured system, which should produce steady profits over time.
 
Mr Chips

We only leave on first losing when we alredy reach our goal for that day.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 12, 2008, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 03:35:45 PM

So many times I have seen players get "winning strikes". They think they are on a roll and end up losing what they have won and get their wallet out, with the inevetable result of an eventual 'losing session'.
 

This will never happend to us if we follow all manriques laws.

Once we win 1 chip belong to us Thats Manrique's Golden Rule. chip what we won go to our pocket and we never lose it that day.

And as I said risky moves only when you get extras, then come back to regular strategy.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 12, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
Quote from: Mr Chips on August 12, 2008, 03:35:45 PM

So many times I have seen players get "winning strikes". They think they are on a roll and end up losing what they have won and get their wallet out, with the inevetable result of an eventual 'losing session'.
 

You never stay to lose all....... or you will be the perfect loser.

Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 12, 2008, 08:23:28 PM
Next LAW

"7".- Before you lose all ,you always lose some....

Then soldier that run can be use for another war, then if we take 100 chips that day and we are losing 80, nothing force us to lose the other 20........

This law is very important to reach the PNRM (Point without return of manrique)

Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Tucktuckster on August 13, 2008, 06:09:43 PM
This section has much potential to many.

great stuff.....
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 13, 2008, 06:53:18 PM
Next law

"8".- Everything has a end, nothing can escape, everything reach his final destiny, all finish no matter what.....

This is for God and bad strikes booth........

If we are on a very bad moments the best is lose the less as is posible until this is happening or stop playing a while , and come back and if we keep losing better leave......

If we are on a good moment, go for it , burn the wheel with it , but not be so fool to leave all your winnings on the first bad spin.....

Manrique, the wise man.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Roulette787 on August 14, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
This thread makes perfect sense.


Lot of simple, yet valuable stuff. Keep it coming.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 14, 2008, 05:13:09 PM
Next law

"9".- Only a smart person can lose a lot of money on the casino.

A fool spend almost all of his life with not to much money, because is to fool to make more money, so once he some how have money , he dont lose it easy, he dont trust nothing who can risk it.

Watch the bigger losers , you will find smart persons on others things on life , big busines mans, profesionals, people who have studys, smart people.......

Yes smart people following stupid behavior on the game..

Manrique.

Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 15, 2008, 01:13:29 PM
"10".- If you cant fly , try to fall slow.

Manrique.

With this law the parachut born......

Swarm.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: ChickenDinner on August 15, 2008, 09:41:26 PM
Swarm - this is really good stuff, it doesn't matter how or what you play, there are some great lessons here. Please keep it coming.

Respect
CD
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 16, 2008, 03:31:53 AM
"11".-What just happend , just happend, and have nothing to do with whatever will happend.......

Then what was that the roulette have memory?

Yes it have memory but our understanding is not maybe the right one, even if some times look like it is......

then  ????

Well 15 reds dont tell you that the balance will come back soon but they dont tell you it will not.....

We are on spin 35 and there no number with 3 hits on it but we have 6 numbers with 2 hits, we play that 6 a couple of spins? yes or no , do it will not change nothing on what will happend, and whatever happend will be part of the statistics....

Manrique
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 17, 2008, 08:25:18 PM

"12".-The jug go to the source so many times that will be end broke.

So any system no matter the nature of it , will be end broke......

You can have winnings with many systems , but that is not forever, all of them will broke.....

If you play with any progression that promise winnings all the time , that will broke too ....



 
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: TwoCatSam on August 18, 2008, 07:22:13 AM
Victor has taught.........

Why stay until the "end"?

Mr. Chips says to look at what's going on and get out if the situation warrants.  Get out when you're up 200 units.

If we could win with an absolutely mechanical system, a robot could clean out the casino by just following the program. 

Day traders in the market know when to buy and know when to sell and know when to play pool.  We should be day traders.

And, yes, the smart ones do make money.  I married one!

Sam
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: VLSroulette on August 18, 2008, 09:31:08 AM
Swarm, congratulations from bringing in to the discussion table these teachings from Manrique.

What is the most worth about Manrique is his philosophy, beyond his published methods. I for sure am very glad of having them opened by you.

QuoteWell 15 reds don't tell you that the balance will come back soon but they dont tell you it will not.....

That is the gist of roulette! You have to take your best guess according to what you see and have logged, regardless of has happened before you showed up at the table (which you don't know). For instance, after those 15 reds balance may come soon... but according to "new eyes" what if there has been a series of 21 black right before [smiley=im/confused_smile.gif]. Morality? Don't bet the house on balance always coming after a series of 15+ reds, but also it is OK to risk a bit on having black recoup a little, always within the

i.e. after a black, bet black and hold your bet until it doesn't come for 2 spins (remember two spins are a cycle for the even chances). If it doesn't come within your first 2-spin attack, make a pause and wait for the next black; when this new black appears bet it for 2 spins again as a secondary attack, if making a 3rd attempt for 2 spins, and it still doesn't come to regain ground -and a balance tendency simply doesn't take place- just leave it alone. As you don't know for how long red will dominate.

...but, you can have your mind at ease as you did make the proper attack for balance on black; at the best statistical point for it to happen: rigth when black appeared having a previous overflow of reds. It is where it makes the most "statistical sense" to enter for backing it up.




So..

Those 15 reds are expected to even out on YOUR sample.

Those 21 black are evening out for someone else's larger sample.

(given enough spins are tracked, of course).

Think about it! Every set of actuals is a mini-world of its own. Be it a "typical statistical sample" or not, it is a mini-world. As in gambling any point of the numerical stream is valid as entry-point and also equally valid as exit-point, then what is truly important is what you (and only you) experiment in between your starting and ending.

Got my point?

Victor
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 19, 2008, 10:31:07 PM
13ª.- It is better to do not get on any train if we know 1 of it come full of thiefs.

Unless we like to be robe or we belive that will not happend to us.

Many people belive that wait get them away from a negative event , we know is going to happend.(everything that can happend will happend. )

Many inocent people belive that waiting some spins to cut violent progressions , work out for something.

What is wrong is violent progressions.

Manrique

This law to me is very special because is a paradox of manrique, since random squence is huge, it have some trains full of thiefs....

So the best thing to do if we apply this law is never play at all.

Swarm.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 19, 2008, 10:35:56 PM
Think about it! Every set of actuals is a mini-world of its own. Be it a "typical statistical sample" or not, it is a mini-world. As in gambling any point of the numerical stream is valid as entry-point and also equally valid as exit-point, then what is truly important is what you (and only you) experiment in between your starting and ending.

Got my point?

Victor
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Yes victor I agree , what it really matter is whatever is going between the point you start and the point you will end.

Manrique teach that no matter what happend , if things go wrong you will still have chips once you get to the end.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: VLSroulette on August 19, 2008, 10:47:26 PM
QuoteManrique teach that no matter what happend , if things go wrong you will still have chips once you get to the end.

Excellent! So much things to learn from him and you. Please do have patience as learning is always a process.

By the way, section is split in "basic" and "advanced" as you requested. Have a good time teaching as we sure have a good time enjoying your writings :)
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 20, 2008, 11:56:42 AM
"14" One part of all is always less than all

Chip that we won go to our pocket.

Manrique.


Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 20, 2008, 12:03:10 PM
"15" Who can do the more can do also the less

If we hit a number, we also can hit the docen , the color, the corner etc

If we make groups with the bets on our numbers to back up the bet , we are going to find that sometimes we are going to have backup winnings we was not looking for and if we lose we lose less , and that help on the adding.

Manrique, el poeta.

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Also this law is very important because it can tell you something "Is posible to make progression without increasing the bets"

We will see some basics on this.

Swarm
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 21, 2008, 12:05:15 AM
"19".- In order to get diferent results, we have to see the things diferent.

Manrique.
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 21, 2008, 02:04:11 PM
"20" If you are in a well , the only thing you dont have to do is keep digging. (of course only if you want to get out of it.)

Manrique
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 22, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
"21".- They can not kill you on Beirut if you leave Beirut.

Then if a souldier escape and dont die he can be use for another war.

Then whatever i lose because i stop and "maybe" i was going to win , i dont lose it because you can not lose what you dont have.
And what i dont lose because i stop , i can use it later.

Manrique.

Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on August 25, 2008, 05:22:23 PM
"22".-There is not worse blind man than the one who refuse to listen.   

Manrique.

Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on October 08, 2008, 03:57:16 AM
The adds of 2 uncertainties dont result on certainty

Manrique

Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on October 08, 2008, 03:58:32 AM
The life comes in waves like the sea

Manrique
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: VLSroulette on October 09, 2008, 08:46:06 AM
Quote from: Swarm on October 08, 2008, 03:57:16 AM
The adds of 2 uncertainties dont result on certainty

Manrique

If my mind doesn't fail I think Manrique said this regarding dealer influence.

The uncertainty of the game itself + the uncertainty of the physical spin, can't make a certainty!

Victor
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: ChickenDinner on October 17, 2008, 08:47:59 PM
More lessons please sir!

Also, do you know of Manrique's HC3 System?

Thanks,
CD
Title: Re: The perfect loser methodology
Post by: Swarm on July 01, 2009, 06:17:58 PM
ok chikendinner we will open a talk about the hc3

Swarm