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Title: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 24, 2011, 01:15:26 AM
Hi Mr.  Li,

I'm here in your section like you said, what is the first things you can advice me of?  ;D

Thanks

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 24, 2011, 11:03:10 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 24, 2011, 02:04:05 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 24, 2011, 11:10:25 PM
hi PokerTwist,

I agree with Kimo that usually people who dabble with his information about the wheel, matrix etc...  will in  the end find that it's just a waste of time (and most if not all, are looking for a quick way to make lots of money).

it's always good to see new people interested to discover what Kimo's methods are all about.  Yes, I am studying his methods, and yes I have his book too (I am using European Wheel).  You will see things in a totally different view.

But there's a LOT of studying.  a lot of disappointment, and then discovery and then awareness.

if you ask me what I think, I would say "Definitely worth my time and effort to master it."

The Global Pies and the Matrix which Kimo invented are really masterpieces.

Welcome to the road less traveled, Mr PokerTwist.   :)   it is not easy, but I am very sure you will learn something of value.


loungeplayer
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 24, 2011, 11:18:25 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 24, 2011, 11:20:34 PM
Hi loungeplayer,

Nice to hear from you.  Happy to see things are well. Thanks for the good word.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 24, 2011, 11:29:26 PM
@Kimo

happy to see you posting here too.  the pleasure is mine, you are great.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 25, 2011, 12:31:32 AM
I am curious, why would you be interested in the Kimo Li way

What is the 'Kimo Li way', exactly. I've read your books
and there's no betting strategy, you don't tell the player
where to place the next bet. Thats all anybody cares
about, how to win. We already know how to behave in
a casino and what the wheel looks like. How about
practical methods to win, where are they..
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 25, 2011, 04:21:17 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on September 25, 2011, 11:44:50 AM
thanx Kimo!
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 25, 2011, 02:52:45 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on September 25, 2011, 03:32:54 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on September 25, 2011, 03:36:14 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 25, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 25, 2011, 05:56:10 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 25, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 25, 2011, 09:34:32 PM
Hello cheese,

That's the difference between you and I. I know when section one will come in, 2,3,4,5,and 6.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 12:13:13 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 12:34:18 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 26, 2011, 12:57:25 AM


Lesson two:

Memorize each section.

Good lord, why??? I've never been in a casino that
barred you from writing down whatever you like.
Just write the sections down on the roulette card
the casino provides. Or do like I do, the card I carry
with me and use has the wheel on the back of it,
right there for my use. And the casino gave me the
card!
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 02:13:52 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 26, 2011, 02:27:08 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 02:35:14 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 26, 2011, 03:11:37 AM
Hello Kimo,

Besides the scepticism from cheese, I've been reading the thread and your lessons.  I truly believe I am grabbing the bull by its horns and can't wait to read more when your books come in tomorrow.  If you have time, I am also interested in being privately taught.

Appreciate it,

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 03:29:39 AM
PT,

Because of you, this thread was started. I may be able to help you. Check your PM.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 03:55:47 AM
Hello cheese,

I love a good debate.  Do you have a method which I can praise or discredit?  Talk is cheap. You are too scared to put yourself out there, because you have no original ideas. Show me the cheese way of winning so I too can discredit your concepts.  What's that? You have none? That's what I thought.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on September 26, 2011, 04:46:32 AM
I back up Kimo Li's teachings. I not only read his European Roulette book but I also studied it.
It is worth the time i spent with it.

Now I am a GPM player which means i know all his strategies by heart.
Those strategies implies the use of matrices. Matrices help me track events. All events (roulette outcomes) have frecuency and secuency. These concepts are inherent to those events. Time and Space. When they appear and How they arrange themselves,
When in Europe is dark night in Australia is day light. When something is not showing something else is overrated.
Both things cant be at the same time.
These concepts are concelead in Kimo Li's GPM. I was able to discover them by digging in his ideas.
If i had only read the book, now it would be one more of many in my library.

Cheers,
Carlos. 
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 26, 2011, 07:58:06 AM
What's that? You have none? That's what I thought.

Apparently, neither do you. Don't hold your breath
waiting for Kimo Li to tell you where the winning
bet goes, he's clueless in that area. He's large on
theory and short on the action...

The difference between you and I is, I may talk about
theory, but I never ever pretend to tell people how to
win. I go out of my way not to do that.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 26, 2011, 08:44:46 AM
I also advocate Kimo li ways.Even if i toyed with other ideas,GPM is what i work with,still learning though..trying to move from betting 9 numbers to 6 and maybe even 3.And yes it is possible,and no im not rich....yet.
Thanks kimo for all your help.Please go on with this thread.Many appreciate it,including me  :good:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on September 26, 2011, 11:03:50 AM
Hi all! I am also all about ears! Thanks to Kimo.  :)


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 11:14:36 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 26, 2011, 01:39:55 PM
I too thank you for your lessons and hope to hear more! Later today I'll fill you in on what I think of the books.   ;)

Appreaciate it,

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: balint on September 26, 2011, 02:05:31 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 26, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
@Cheese   you need to read the Four Agreements.  enjoy your discrediting, I am quite sure Kimo won't be there to keep feeding your ego.  Your attitude determines your altitude mate.


@ for the rest of the fellow players interested / studying Kimo's materials, read and ponder what Kimo shares.  This teacher is unique, he doesn't spoon-feed.  That's why his strategies are 'encrypted' in his books, so to speak.

@ Carpanta, thanks for sharing your ideas and views with our long-distance phonecalls.  Carpanta, is one of the few whom I know, who really knows the matrix, Quads, Stars, Pies, all by heart and very generous in sharing ideas if you rea really sincere in learning.  Winning at roulette?  Yes, he can do it.

@ Kimo   Dear teacher, please continue your lessons here.  This is a forum, characters and attitudes like Cheese is displaying are common.  There are enough willing ears here keen to learn from you.  Thank you in advance.

 :)


loungeplayer
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 26, 2011, 10:03:52 PM
@Cheese   you need to read the Four Agreements.  enjoy your discrediting, I am quite sure Kimo won't be there to keep feeding your ego.

Look people, Kimo Li's books are SELF PUBLISHED. This means he
took them to legit publishers and they laughed at him, so he had
to go to the vanity press and write THEM a check to publish his
nonsense. If he could win at roulette on a regular basis, he'd be
in the casino doing it and not selling demo's on Ebay for 5 bucks a
pop. Think about it..
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 10:12:31 PM

It's Facebook, not Ebay. Get it right.  Yes, it's 5 bucks and I offered it for free to you because you needed a demo, you declined.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 26, 2011, 10:15:49 PM

 Yes it's 5 bucks and I offered it for free to you because you needed a demo, you declined.


It doesn't work, why would I want even for free. I read your
books, remember?
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 26, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
I think you are afraid to test my demo because it will prove you wrong

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 26, 2011, 10:21:03 PM
@ Cheese, you must be new here at VLS. or the max, 1-2 years.
you have no idea who Kimo is.

he published his books yes.   and he also shared his books (Yes, both books) for FREE, here at VLS.  FREE.  repeat after me, FREE.   what? you didn't know that?

ok, go out and play you little kid.  Moderators who are reading this, please take note.  We have enough interested members here wanting to discuss and learn from Kimo in this thread.  Please adjust and take appropriate actions needed to stop Cheese before we all move to PMs and private email discussions.

@ Kimo, we are behind you.   It's a sunny day and I am grateful that you have started this thread of lessons.  Appreciated.  And I have your DEMO excel file.  It is GREAT.  keep at it.

:-)    Smile teacher.  High five.


loungeplayer
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 27, 2011, 01:01:12 AM
Kimo Li can you continue showing your way,now this thread is about arguing who is better >:(.Losing it again like so many good threads.So please go on with the Matrix.Concerning the Stars numbers i already notice that,i have your book for 2 years now,this thing was visble.So how we go about exploiting this constant.Thank you. :whistle:

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 27, 2011, 01:12:54 AM
So how we go about exploiting this constant.Thank you.

You can't. Roulette is ruled by randomness, there are
no 'constant' results. There is no consistency. It changes
from spin to spin. Anybody that tells you he has charts
or graphs or tables that are reliable for roulette, is lying.
Roulette can only be beaten by studying its random nature
and flowing with it.

Seriously..
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 01:18:29 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 01:57:21 AM
I believe randomness has a footprint. I believe randomness can be categorized. I believe money management plays an important role in winning.  I also believe discipline is crucial.

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 27, 2011, 02:07:53 AM
ok.Getting to the 6 block thing.Let us say we track each sector and star for 6 spins.we play dominant in each.
Or we dominant stars in dominant sector??
example spins
spins 30 24 8 29 21 2
stars 1   3   6 4   5   6
sector 1  3  2  2  6   4

we play all stars 6,numbers 7,8,2,1,33,34 and sector 2 27,10,25,29,12,8 for 6 spins each

or we play just 8 for 6 spins,dominant star in dominant sector.
As Kimo wont say much for now,maybe others can give an idea,Carpanta,Iggiv,Lounge player?????????
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 27, 2011, 02:19:29 AM
I believe randomness has a footprint. I believe randomness can be categorized.

Randomness has no 'footprint', thats rather the point of it.
Randomness cannot be categorized, pinned down, or boxed
it. It can't predicted, it can't be trained or tracked. Random
outcomes have no memory. All you have to go on is experience
and educated guesses. The next spin changes everything every
time.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 27, 2011, 02:29:10 AM
seykid29, generally speaking (really generally), i would use dominant pie or pies. or even half-pie (Quad)

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 27, 2011, 02:36:41 AM
so Lounge player,you telling me not to go for dominant stars???
Or maybe in this case dominant pie was 2,and star 6,
Play pie 3,2,6 stars 6 Numbers 1,8,33 or 18 numbers 13,1,27,21,33,16,12,8,19
But 18 numbers too much numbers.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 02:41:29 AM
Quote
Randomness has no 'footprint', thats rather the point of it.
Randomness cannot be categorized, pinned down, or boxed
it. It can't predicted, it can't be trained or tracked. Random
outcomes have no memory. All you have to go on is experience
and educated guesses. The next spin changes everything every
time.

You are absolutely 100 percent correct random is random in the pure sense of the word.

That is not debatable. I guess that ends that, you win.

Perhaps, educated guesses can be categorized, tracked, pinned down, and boxed to have a favorable outcome.  Thanks for pointing that out.

I no longer believe that randomness can be categorized.  It is my educated guesses that can be categorized, extreme revelation.

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 27, 2011, 02:42:49 AM
no, not really.  in my own opinion, it depends on how many numbers you are going to use.

you are using American wheel which I am totally not familiar with, however the methodology should be similar.

you already know the Pies and Stars and the Matrix (I know that from the many emails we exchanged in the past one year).  what you need to fine-tune and study, is the timing and the FREQUENCY (not just dominant).

something to ponder a while..



Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 02:50:39 AM
Seykid,

Star numbers are used as a strategy only when the randomness on the ball fail to provide a dominant sector.  The reasoning behind that theory is you will have a 1 in 6 chance of hitting your numbers.  I would recommend the Quads strategy when there is a defining pattern of randomness, I mean educated guess.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 27, 2011, 02:58:58 AM
So in simple terms,track 6 spins play dominant sector for 6 spins..or if no dominant sector,play dominant stars???
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 03:07:12 AM
Seykid,

This is a thread for beginners.   I will email you from my private email.

Kimo Li

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 27, 2011, 03:10:24 AM

Perhaps, educated guesses can be categorized, .  

Nope, guesses by their very nature cannot be categorized. Nothing in
roulette can be pinned down, if it could be it would have been beaten
200 years ago.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 03:12:04 AM
LP,

I think your'e showing too much.

Kimo Li

Thanks LP
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 27, 2011, 03:13:32 AM
got your message on that showing of information part, thanks Kimo :)

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 27, 2011, 03:13:49 AM
I would recommend the Quads strategy when there is a defining pattern of randomness


Please post an example of a 'defining pattern of randomness'. One that
can't change on the very next spin. Thanks.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 03:20:01 AM
Cheese,

LP briefly posted an example of a defining pattern of randomness which I immediately pointed out, it was too much information.  Sorry, LP was in violation of disclosure.  But all is fine now.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 27, 2011, 03:26:40 AM
Seykid,

This is a thread for beginners.   I will email you from my private email.

Kimo Li


Please do.Eager to learn more.Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 03:26:42 AM
LP,

Let's talk about the importance of memorizing the roulette numbers on the roulette wheel
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 27, 2011, 03:28:03 AM
yes sir!   :thumbsup:


LP,

Let's talk about the importance of memorizing the roulette numbers on the roulette wheel
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 03:30:53 AM
Sorry LP. Please give your opinion on the importance of memorizing the numbers on the roulette wheel.

You know I am kidding.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 27, 2011, 03:35:21 AM


Kimo Li

Can you post an example of a 'defining pattern of randomness'. One that
can't change on the very next spin. Thanks.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 27, 2011, 03:46:47 AM
haha Kimo, of course.   ;D

here's my opinion on why I think memorizing the wheel is so important (instead of referring to the wheel picture casinos provide at the tables):

(1) you'll know at a glance at the current moment (for example: past 6 spins, which sectors are hot and hitting)
instead of busy marking the wheel and then finding the numbers on the betting screen or betting layout.

(2) by knowing the sectors in a categorized way, you can see clearly which sectors co-relate to each other (for example: opposite sectors.  In GPM language, that is a Bow-Tie ball movement)

(3) you can choose to use any methods to remember the wheel.  Most people remember the wheel in a circular way,
Zero, 32, 15, 19, 4, 21, 2 etc....

For myself, I find Global Pie Method (GPM) the most useful way.  You can even see stars (similar to spokes in a bicycle wheel) to pin point on which exact spot the ball landed on in that particular pie (sector).

(4) For speed and advantage to us players.  The casino is constantly trying their best to employ counter measures, to make it difficult for advantage players to profit consistently.   With the wheel memorized in a systematic way, I am using my energy in seeing which sectors to profit on, rather than marking and trying to remember: "erm... let me see.. where is 32?   here.. .  no no .. here.. ok, where is 11? etc...."

my 2 cents here.  credits to Kimo.


ok, tea-break time for me.. haha


Sorry LP. Please give your opinion on the importance of memorizing the numbers on the roulette wheel.

You know I am kidding.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 27, 2011, 03:49:25 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 03:55:48 AM
PT,

Thanks for the good words. Tell me more when you finish the book.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 27, 2011, 04:00:38 AM
Kimo,

Sure thing, tomorrow I'll fill you in. For tonight, I'll try to be catching up on what you guys have been talking about.  ;)

Appreciate it,

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 27, 2011, 04:01:58 AM
keep going PokerTwist   :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 27, 2011, 04:07:00 AM
PT,

It is I who appreciate your comments

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 27, 2011, 04:10:04 AM
LP,

Believe me I will. Between the forum, books, and the demo spreadsheet I can barely grasp all this info. but the experience has been priceless so far.   :smile:

Regards,

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 27, 2011, 04:16:16 AM
ok ok I believe you PT... lol    :-)



LP,

Believe me I will. Between the forum, books, and the demo spreadsheet I can barely grasp all this info. but the experience has been priceless so far.   :smile:

Regards,

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on September 27, 2011, 04:18:55 AM
I was just being facetious to Seykid

Seriously,  post an example of a 'defining pattern of randomness'. One that
can't change on the very next spin.  Its easy, like stapling jello to a dartboard.
C'mon, you can do it.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on September 28, 2011, 02:35:59 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 28, 2011, 02:51:10 AM
Hi Poker
A few tips,i also dont use track sheet,though im encourage to.It attract too much attention.I more or less play as if im playing blindly..a few low chips every where as i anticipate a play.When you know your numbers,and casino have a score board displaying numbers its not that hard.E.g if im playing the 4 quads,which i have by heart its easy to keep with the hot ones and let the cold ones sleep..when they wake up,they do wake up.But im talking airball here,which i much prefer to play.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 28, 2011, 11:05:57 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 28, 2011, 01:43:22 PM
deep and difficult to comprehend, yet interesting

can't wait to see your coming lessons  :)   thanks


>This particular part deals with how we perceive time: linear, cyclical, or frozen.  It's about numbers being frozen in six number increments.  It's studying something that is fixed in one place and extracting patterns which identify ball movement tendencies.

Think about it.  I will post an example later.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on September 28, 2011, 09:44:57 PM
yes, very interesting. intriguing.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 29, 2011, 12:49:42 AM
kimo regarding 6 block concepts,simple way of play with tracking to take a pick is this ideal

Number  29 34 24 11 31 16
sector     2   5   3   1   6   4
Star        4   6   3   6   2   1

we dont have any hot sector,but repeated star,so we play all star 6 ,numbers 7,8,33,34,2,1

This is american wheel.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 29, 2011, 04:42:34 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 29, 2011, 05:37:13 AM
32   28   02   18   00   04      1   0  0
01   27   01   19   13   12      0   2  3
23   20   27   21   09   11      2   1  0
13   21   09   03   09   20      2   0  2
20   08   21   05   27   14      0   1  0
12   22   23   19   14   30      1   1  0
01   18   23   07   11   07      2   0  1
26   06   10   19   27   21      1   2  0
21   34   27   31   07   32      0   1  0
00   13   00   04   23   14      0   0  1
27   27   12   32   31   07      0   3  0
02   25   17   01   28   16      2   1  1
26   11   05   17   25   07      2   1  0
09   31   03   08   17   12      1   0  0
03   12   18   08   27   12      0   3  1
13   07   11   28   24   12      3   1  2
15   16   23   04   08   25      0   1  1
16   03   14   00   36   02      0   0  0
26   30   05   36   05   18      2   0  1
10   05   19   31   32   03      0   1  1
15   12   34   10   12   30      1   3  1
19   04   04   08   33   10      0   2  0
07   21   18   30   33   12      2   1  0
20   10   00   12   16   08      0   3  0
18   29   24   13   29   30      1   2  2
21   24   24   20   31   06      0   0  2
08   13   09   21   07   13      1   1  2
03   23   05   18   32   17      0   0  1
11   35   25   12   32   21      1   2  0
17   21   23   25   00   19      0   1  0
18   25   36   02   25   02      0   2  1
14   04   29   17   11   09      2   1  0
26   28   31   27   16   07      2   1  0
10   12   17   30   27   08      1   4  0
00   27   17   26   08   15      1   2  1
14   27   31   15   21   35      0   1  1
13   07   31   13   15   13      1   0  4
13   01   10   18   14   07      0   1  2
09   17   09   33   36   22      2   0  1
27   28   30   27   29   34      2   3  0
33   09   36   35   01   04      1   0  2
04   13   01   32   12   23      0   1  2
14   09   10   34   19   18      1   1  0
19   11   29   32   05   35      1   1  0
23   03   33   20   07   20      0   0  1
27   36   18   06   02   13      0   1  2
26   18   34   23   24   03      1   0  2
00   14   11   14   10   24      1   1  1
03   25   19   08   11   32      1   1  1
34   06   14   27   19   31      0   1  0
03   21   26   36   31   17      1   0  2
24   04   18   02   27   28      2   1  1
19   07   23   11   13   09      3   0  1
34   13   33   18   05   12      0   1  1
21   21   08   06   18   31      0   1  0
22   07   00   27   01   29      1   2  1
30   21   19   19   10   15      1   1  1
00   17   04   01   15   09      1   0  2
33   31   10   26   32   05      1   1  0
09   32   07   09            3   


I have done 2 more groups,section 2 and 3 respectively,we exclude zero right???
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on September 30, 2011, 12:09:35 AM
hi seykid29, I do exclude zero in the trackings.

i believe kimo exclude zeros too. (taking it as neutral)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on September 30, 2011, 12:43:20 AM
If we can look from the Sector 3 sector charted already,we see a lot of chops within each sector..not that much consistency looking at sector alone.Or i might be looking at it in the wrong way????
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: jrhelp007 on September 30, 2011, 11:31:23 AM
seykid,

I sent you a private message and an Email. Please respond.

Thanks,

John
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on September 30, 2011, 02:04:31 PM
This is only a tracking strategy for understanding patterns.

There are several betting strategies.

The simplest to follow is bet a particular section (six numbers) in six number increments.
If you miss, do not bet the same section move to another section that is taking a run, which
brings the point of staying on a run.  Once the run ends with a miss. Move on to another.
A progression is needed to recoup initial loss.

Global Pie 6 for example, is on a run.  The key is to stop once you hit and wait for the next six number segment to start betting, At the end of the run, when you miss, move on to another section, wait for a two number run, like 5, then bet.  Once that misses, move to 2, and so on and so
forth.

This is the most basic strategy.  Advance approaches operate differently, but the principle still applies.

Kimo Li



Six Number Segments                              Global Pies               
                                             
01   02   03   04   05   06               1   2   3   4   5   6
                                             
02   28   02   18   00   04               1   0   0   3   0   1
01   27   01   19   13   12               0   2   3   0   0   1
23   20   27   21   09   11               2   1   0   1   1   1
13   21   09   03   09   20               2   0   2   0   1   1
20   08   21   05   27   14               0   2   0   1   2   1
12   22   23   19   14   30               1   1   0   2   1   1
01   18   23   07   11   07               3   0   1   1   0   1
26   06   10   19   27   21               1   2   0   0   0   3
21   34   27   31   07   32               1   1   0   0   2   2
00   13   00   04   23   14               0   0   1   3   0   0
27   27   12   32   31   07               1   3   0   0   1   1
02   25   17   01   28   16               1   1   1   2   1   0
26   11   05   17   25   07               3   1   0   0   2   0
09   31   03   08   17   12               1   2   1   0   1   1
03   12   18   08   27   12               0   4   1   0   0   1
13   07   11   28   24   12               3   1   2   0   0   0
15   16   23   04   08   25               0   2   1   3   0   0
16   03   14   00   36   02               0   0   2   3   0   0
26   30   05   36   05   18               2   0   1   0   2   1
10   05   19   31   32   03               0   1   1   0   2   2
15   12   34   10   12   30               1   3   1   0   1   0
19   04   04   08   33   10               0   2   0   2   0   2
07   21   18   30   33   12               2   1   0   0   0   3
20   10   00   12   16   08               0   3   0   1   1   0
18   29   24   13   29   30               1   2   2   0   0   1
21   24   24   20   31   06               0   0   2   0   1   3
08   13   09   21   07   13               2   1   2   0   0   1
03   23   05   18   32   17               0   0   1   1   3   1
11   35   25   12   32   21               1   2   0   1   1   1
17   21   23   25   00   19               0   1   0   1   1   2
18   25   36   02   25   02               0   2   1   2   0   1
14   04   29   17   11   09               2   1   0   2   1   0
26   28   31   27   16   07               3   1   0   1   0   1
10   12   17   30   27   08               1   4   0   0   1   0
00   27   17   26   08   15               1   2   1   0   1   0
14   27   31   15   21   35               0   1   1   2   0   2
13   07   31   13   15   13               1   0   4   0   0   1
13   01   10   18   14   07               1   1   2   1   0   1
09   17   09   33   36   22               2   0   1   0   2   1
27   28   30   27   29   34               2   3   0   0   1   0
33   09   36   35   01   04               1   0   2   2   0   1
04   13   01   32   12   23               0   1   2   2   1   0
14   09   10   34   19   18               1   1   0   1   1   2
19   11   29   32   05   35               1   1   0   1   2   1
23   03   33   20   07   20               1   0   1   1   2   1
27   36   18   06   02   13               0   1   2   1   0   2
26   18   34   23   24   03               1   0   2   1   1   1
00   14   11   14   10   24               1   1   1   2   0   0
03   25   19   08   11   32               1   2   1   0   1   1
34   06   14   27   19   31               0   1   0   1   1   3
03   21   26   36   31   17               1   0   2   0   1   2
24   04   18   02   27   28               1   1   1   2   0   1
19   07   23   11   13   09               3   0   1   1   0   1
34   13   33   18   05   12               0   1   1   0   2   2
21   21   08   06   18   31               0   1   0   0   0   5
22   07   00   27   01   29               1   2   1   0   1   0
30   21   19   19   10   15               1   1   1   0   0   3
00   17   04   01   15   09               1   0   2   1   1   0
33   31   10   26   32   05               1   1   0   0   2   2
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on September 30, 2011, 03:06:57 PM
"A progression is needed to recoup initial loss."

Kimo if the method wins more than loses then why progression is needed? if it fails second time, now
u gonna lose 108 units instead of 72?
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 01, 2011, 11:40:24 AM
Hi Iggiv,

I did not state the "method wins more than loses".  My first sentence says

Quote
This is only a tracking strategy for understanding patterns.

I also said,

Quote
This is the most basic strategy.  Advance approaches operate differently, but the principle still applies.


The point in this lesson is to learn how patterns generate using six bet increments as a fixed point in time.

This strategy can win, only if you have a large bankroll with an aggressive progression. The advance approach allows the player to make strategic bets without having to worry about major draw downs.

Kimo Li 

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on October 01, 2011, 12:09:43 PM
thanx!
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 01, 2011, 01:13:56 PM
Here is something I posted recently at Steve's other forum.  It was in response to the Red and Black betting. It shows how patterns develop and how to take advantage of "skip and run" patterns.

"...bet black when running black, bet red when running red."

The chart shows four types of betting progressions.


F   Flat Bet

2   1 2 4 8

3   1 3 9 27

4   1 4 16 68


               B   F            B   2            B   3            B   4
17   B                                                            
16   R         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1
31   B         L   1   -1         L   2   -2         L   3   -3         L   4   -4
31   B         W   1   1         W   4   4         W   9   9         W   16   16
32   R         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1
13   B         L   1   -1         L   2   -2         L   3   -3         L   4   -4
12   R         W   1   1         W   4   4         W   9   9         W   16   16
21   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
23   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
16   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
14   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
05   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
23   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
23   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
27   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
11   B         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1
19   R         L   1   -1         L   2   -2         L   3   -3         L   4   -4
32   R         W   1   1         W   4   4         W   9   9         W   16   16
36   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
19   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
27   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
34   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
30   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
26   B         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1
31   B         W   1   1         W   2   2         W   3   3         W   4   4
13   B         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
27   R         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1
03   R         W   1   1         W   2   2         W   3   3         W   4   4
20   B         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1
35   B         W   1   1         W   2   2         W   3   3         W   4   4
36   R         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1         L   1   -1
32   R         W   1   1         W   2   2         W   3   3         W   4   4
23   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
21   R         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1         W   1   1
                                                               
      PROFIT            13               23               39               61

...I would use this strategy only if I see red and black taking a run.  In sample above, it was ideal.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on October 01, 2011, 05:31:41 PM
The point in this lesson is to learn how patterns generate using six bet increments as a fixed point in time.

This strategy can win, only if you have a large bankroll with an aggressive progression. The advance approach allows the player to make strategic bets without having to worry about major draw downs.

Kimo Li 

Correct!. Add up WINKEL'S WIN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT (topic in rouletteforum.cc) money managment to it and there is no way it can be a losser.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 01, 2011, 07:38:14 PM
Hi! Here is little tracking system. But it lead know where, or maybe it does. Kimo knows!!  :)

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on October 01, 2011, 08:37:31 PM
It took me a few days, but I memorized the wheel. I don't need a peice of paper anymore.

Thanks for your help,

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 01, 2011, 09:03:58 PM
@ Iggiv, you are welcome

@ P,T get some sleep, I'm glad to hear you don't need to bring paper to the casino.

@ Timo, say nice things to cheese

@ Carpanta, so true, make a lot of money

@ Seykid, nice job tracking

@ loungeplayer, definitely deep and difficult to understand

Sorry if I missed anyone

Kimo Li



 

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 01, 2011, 10:23:49 PM
hi Carpanta, this part is interesting... i just read Winkel's post.  It's a Fibonacci progression.

i wonder if it is a nine-number bet selection, what kind of Fibonacci alike can be applied to it's progression?

hmm.. anyone?   :)


Correct!. Add up WINKEL'S WIN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT (topic in rouletteforum.cc) money managment to it and there is no way it can be a losser.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: balint on October 01, 2011, 10:54:44 PM
hi Carpanta, this part is interesting... I just read Winkel's post.  It's a Fibonacci progression.

I wonder if it is a nine-number bet selection, what kind of Fibonacci alike can be applied to it's progression?

hmm.. anyone?   :)



1111/2222/3333/5555/8888/...so on...extended fibo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 01, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
thanks for the sharing balint
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on October 02, 2011, 06:20:53 AM
1111/2222/3333/5555/8888/...so on...extended fibo

Loungeplayer, Winkel's money managment would be 111,222,333,555,888... fibonacci for a 9 numbers event.
OR,
11111111, 22222222, 33333333, ....... fibonacci for a 4 numbers event.

Cheers,
Carlos.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: balint on October 02, 2011, 12:13:40 PM
Loungeplayer, Winkel's money managment would be 111,222,333,555,888... fibonacci for a 9 numbers event.
OR,
11111111, 22222222, 33333333, ....... fibonacci for a 4 numbers event.

Cheers,
Carlos.

Yes Carlos very true , i was wrong.....  :yes:
And for 12 numbers is 11,22,33,55,88,13,13...........
For Ec s  1,2,3,5,8,13.............for 6 numbers  11111/22222/33333/55555/88888....
of course can start from 0,10 c (online).
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on October 02, 2011, 02:02:45 PM
Yes Carlos very true , I was wrong.....  :yes:
And for 12 numbers is 11,22,33,55,88,13,13...........
For Ec s  1,2,3,5,8,13.............for 6 numbers  11111/22222/33333/55555/88888....
of course can start from 0,10 c (online).

 :thumbsup: Good proposal. Smartly played, 1000 chips bankroll would do more than enough.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 02, 2011, 11:18:03 PM
I know one thing, the gathering of moderators, top members, preserverant members can only mean one thing, it was "due." Most of which that has been posted since my last lesson has been off topic.  It appears it's difficult to post relevant ideas without having to be interrupted.  I guess that's the nature of this forum.

Moderators, what would be the ideal solution?  Now, I'm doing it; I'm off topic.

Meanwhile, staying on topic.  Recognizing patterns and categorizing them in a manner that makes sense only to me has been my MO.

So when I speak about ball movement patterns in my own language, people get upset.  "When in Rome, do what the Romans do".  There's nothing wrong with speaking a different language.  It's usually the interpretation that stirs up the pot.

So, that's what I want to share.  Roulette ball movement on my next post.

Kimo Li  
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 03, 2011, 03:12:08 AM
Loungeplayer, Winkel's money managment would be 111,222,333,555,888... fibonacci for a 9 numbers event.
OR,
11111111, 22222222, 33333333, ....... fibonacci for a 4 numbers event.

Cheers,
Carlos.
If we tracking a 9 numbers event,do we play it in block of 6 maybe,when a win wait for next block,.continueing with Fibonacci progression.Or we play the 9 numbers trending with fibonacci nonstop till we reach our target or run out of Bankroll????
Seykid.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on October 03, 2011, 07:03:24 AM
I apologize to Kimo for my share in the off-topic comments.

Cheers,
Carlos.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 04, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
There must be a boycott, not enough drama, or the subject matter is boring. Hmmmm?
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 05, 2011, 01:00:05 AM
Kimo,i read this thread 6 times a day..nothing..maybe we all waiting for you to add.Because since your last post.We all understand what you were trying to say,we now need the lesson to continue.Cheers
Seykid.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: bombus on October 05, 2011, 01:00:29 AM
There must be a boycott, not enough drama, or the subject matter is boring. Hmmmm?


Yes, maybe people are waiting for you to continue, or maybe people are stuck or studying that which you have already assigned them?
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 05, 2011, 01:44:31 AM
Bombus i think its more of a matter waiting for lesson.I think he should post something everyday  8)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 05, 2011, 07:17:28 AM
Definetely not boring, please continue lessons Kimo..  :)


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 05, 2011, 11:14:28 AM
we are keen to learn from you, Sir Kimo Li   :-)

the students are seated.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on October 05, 2011, 07:39:16 PM
+1
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: macedonianroulette1 on October 06, 2011, 09:46:12 PM
How is any of all these threads explaining how to increase accuracy of predictions...
Its a ball and a wheel....Statistics has nothing to do with it....PHYSICS maybe???
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: macedonianroulette1 on October 06, 2011, 10:39:58 PM
Watching 24 spins as Kimo says you can determine averages of parameters:
Rotor speed
Ball rotations and speed of rotations
Dominant dropzone(diamond)
Possible patterns(if betting before ball release)
Ball release point(if betting after ball release)
Flat betting with 10 numbers archs(sectors) you need 3 out of 10 hits in average for min.profit
Sounds more realistic doesn't it???
Now if we use statistics and divide the wheel in 6 sections and hoping for hot zones......not gonna happen...
Statistics only win if the wheel is biased....
Lets say that there are 6 big pockets on the wheel instead of 37(european)....
How can you be sure that in certain number of spins the ball will land in the targeted sector???
A sector can sleep for very long time,although rare,but it will happen and then what??Bankroll wiped out(progression)
Just my point of view...
Not to ofend anyone...
Regards,
Macedonian
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 06, 2011, 10:46:20 PM
Hi Macedonian, welcome to the thread and discuss.

:-)

I can see that you are actually studying visual ballistics?   Kimo's approach to this game, well..I wouldn't call it VB..  his Matrix invention (arrangement of numbers in Pies and Stars) are really innovative and acts as a compass as to how the wheel is doing...

Patterns Observation

have fun studying... this is cool stuff but deep..


Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 06, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Roulette ball movement, how does one track something like that?  Well if you have been following, you probably have memorized the wheel by now using the six Global Pies.  If not, this will not make any sense to you.

The American wheel is divided as 1,5,3 and 2, 6, 4. 

The halves are divided by the single zero and the double zero.

So, the most basic movement to notice is which half of the wheel the ball is favoring, using the skip and run tracking.


1 represents 1,5,3
2 represents 2,6,4

             1    2
            
32         1   0
28         1   0
02         0   1
18         0   1
00         0   0
04         0   1
01         1   0
27         0   1
01         1   0
19         0   1
13         1   0
12         0   1
23         0   1
20         1   0
27         0   1
21         0   1
09         1   0
11         1   0
13         1   0
21         0   1
09         1   0
03         1   0
09         1   0
20         1   0
20         1   0
08         0   1
21         0   1
05         1   0
27         0   1
14         0   1
12         0   1
22         1   0
23         0   1
19         0   1
14         0   1
30         1   0
01         1   0
18         0   1
23         0   1
07         1   0
11         1   0
07         1   0
26         1   0
06         0   1
10         0   1
19         0   1
27         0   1
21         0   1
21         0   1
34         1   0
27         0   1
31         0   1
07         1   0
32         1   0
00         0   0
13         1   0
00         0   0
04         0   1
23         0   1
14         0   1
27         0   1
27         0   1
12         0   1
32         1   0
31         0   1
07         1   0
02         0   1
25         0   1
17         1   0
01         1   0
28         1   0
16         0   1
26         1   0
11         1   0
05         1   0
17         1   0
25         0   1
07         1   0
09         1   0
31         0   1
03         1   0
08         0   1
17         1   0
12         0   1
03         1   0
12         0   1
18         0   1
08         0   1
27         0   1
12         0   1
13         1   0
07         1   0
11         1   0
28         1   0
24         1   0
12         0   1
15         1   0
16         0   1
23         0   1
04         0   1
08         0   1
25         0   1
16         0   1
03         1   0
14         0   1
00         0   0
36         1   0
02         0   1
26         1   0
30         1   0
05         1   0
36         1   0
05         1   0
18         0   1
10         0   1
05         1   0
19         0   1
31         0   1
32         1   0
03         1   0
15         1   0
12         0   1
34         1   0
10         0   1
12         0   1
30         1   0
19         0   1
04         0   1
04         0   1
08         0   1
33         0   1
10         0   1
07         1   0
21         0   1
18         0   1
30         1   0
33         0   1
12         0   1
20         1   0
10         0   1
00         0   0
12         0   1
16         0   1
08         0   1
18         0   1
29         0   1
24         1   0
13         1   0
29         0   1
30         1   0
21         0   1
24         1   0
24         1   0
20         1   0
31         0   1
06         0   1
08         0   1
13         1   0
09         1   0
21         0   1
07         1   0
13         1   0
03         1   0
23         0   1
05         1   0
18         0   1
32         1   0
17         1   0
11         1   0
35         0   1
25         0   1
12         0   1
32         1   0
21         0   1
17         1   0
21         0   1
23         0   1
25         0   1
00         0   0
19         0   1
18         0   1
25         0   1
36         1   0
02         0   1
25         0   1
02         0   1
14         0   1
04         0   1
29         0   1
17         1   0
11         1   0
09         1   0
26         1   0
28         1   0
31         0   1
27         0   1
16         0   1
07         1   0
10         0   1
12         0   1
17         1   0
30         1   0
27         0   1
08         0   1
00         0   0
27         0   1
17         1   0
26         1   0
08         0   1
15         1   0
14         0   1
27         0   1
31         0   1
15         1   0
21         0   1
35         0   1
13         1   0
07         1   0
31         0   1
13         1   0
15         1   0
13         1   0
13         1   0
01         1   0
10         0   1
18         0   1
14         0   1
07         1   0
09         1   0
17         1   0
09         1   0
33         0   1
36         1   0
22         1   0
27         0   1
28         1   0
30         1   0
27         0   1
29         0   1
34         1   0
33         0   1
09         1   0
36         1   0
35         0   1
01         1   0
04         0   1
04         0   1
13         1   0
01         1   0
32         1   0
12         0   1
23         0   1
14         0   1
09         1   0
10         0   1
34         1   0
19         0   1
18         0   1
19         0   1
11         1   0
29         0   1
32         1   0
05         1   0
35         0   1
23         0   1
03         1   0
33         0   1
20         1   0
07         1   0
20         1   0
27         0   1
36         1   0
18         0   1
06         0   1
02         0   1
13         1   0
26         1   0
18         0   1
34         1   0
23         0   1
24         1   0
03         1   0
00         0   0
14         0   1
11         1   0
14         0   1
10         0   1
24         1   0
03         1   0
25         0   1
19         0   1
08         0   1
11         1   0
32         1   0
34         1   0
06         0   1
14         0   1
27         0   1
19         0   1
31         0   1
03         1   0
21         0   1
26         1   0
36         1   0
31         0   1
17         1   0
24         1   0
04         0   1
18         0   1
02         0   1
27         0   1
28         1   0
19         0   1
07         1   0
23         0   1
11         1   0
13         1   0
09         1   0
34         1   0
13         1   0
33         0   1
18         0   1
05         1   0
12         0   1
21         0   1
21         0   1
08         0   1
06         0   1
18         0   1
31         0   1
22         1   0
07         1   0
00         0   0
27         0   1
01         1   0
29         0   1
30         1   0
21         0   1
19         0   1
19         0   1
10         0   1
15         1   0
00         0   0
17         1   0
04         0   1
01         1   0
15         1   0
09         1   0
33         0   1
31         0   1
10         0   1
26         1   0
32         1   0
05         1   0
09         1   0
32         1   0
07         1   0
09         1   0
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 07, 2011, 02:47:03 AM
With those spins the ball is moving from here to here..most common win in a row is 5.I get with this pattern,a martingale will see you through.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on October 07, 2011, 07:05:47 AM
How can you be sure that in certain number of spins the ball will land in the targeted sector???
A sector can sleep for very long time,although rare,but it will happen and then what??Bankroll wiped out(progression)
Just my point of view...

While gambling words like sure, due should be wiped off from a gambler's vocabulary.

Nothing is either granted or due to happen.

In the best situation most you can do is trying to time the outcome of events.

That's what Kimo Li's strategies do based on his GPM.

That way you observe what is not showing (cold events) while you see what and how hot events are performing in your tracking tool (matrix).

When something hot goes cold it is part of the timing to detect.

Then you'll just spend the least posible amount of chips to prove your actual bet selection is wrong.

Cheers,
Carlos.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 07, 2011, 10:39:03 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: macedonianroulette1 on October 07, 2011, 11:04:41 PM
First of all I AM A SUCCESSFULL VB WINNING PLAYER....
So you say that something is DUE to happen.....Bad aproach to roulette...
You can divide the wheel into pies or whatever but you make a catastrophic mistake.....
First of all you depend on statistics that has nothing to do with roulette why don't you understand....
If we were to wait then bet.....We'll wait for 30 reds in a row and bet black with progression....
That is a holy grail yes???
PHYSICS mate,only physics can give you advantage...
All of this reminds me of the raindrop system developed years ago.....
NO OUTCOME IS DUE!!!!!!!!!!!
So we got 24 spins and a sector is hot...
Then a new dealer comes in and that sector is no longer hot....
ONLY PHYSICS!!!!
You have a small ball that spins and fall onto a wheel platform....
Statistics????NO
Statistics only can show you a biased wheel.....
Example:
Dominant drop zone is the diamond at 9 o clock
Ball revolutions average is 15 revolutions
The rotor speed is 4 secs...Average Rotor revolutions 5 then the ball drops
Dealer starts spin..
He spins the ball above number zero...
So now we have 15 ball revolutions and 5 wheel revolutions in average
In every ball revolution we have 3 pockets distance...
15x3 = 45 pockets that is zero and 8 pockets clockwise or counterclockwise(depends on dealer)
9 o clock dominant drop zone
Prediction is number 29.....
Covering neighbours surely will make 3 hits out of 10 spins....
Your pies and stars don't cover sectors and don't rely on physics....
So your system is same as waiting for 30 reds then bet on black with progression.....

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 08, 2011, 01:40:40 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 08, 2011, 01:46:20 AM
macedonianroulette1


Frankly, I do not care. What you do is your business. 

I do what works for me and really that's all that matters in the larger scheme.  For those who want to learn VB, I say more power to them.  For those who want to learn other methods, I say fine to that.  That is the beauty of choice.

So if you decide to learn about GPM, great. If not, that's great too.  In any case, thanks for your opinion.

Kimo Li


Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 09, 2011, 05:02:37 AM
dear Kimo, thanks for the latest ball movement lesson.

Please continue to share with us.  Eager students awaiting the teacher.

Thanks Kimo.



Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 09, 2011, 11:32:35 PM
Hi! Thank you Kimo about your lessons, hope you continue that! :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 09, 2011, 11:49:25 PM
Hmm, Matrix I dont get it..Numbers switch places, stars hmm...  :girl_wacko:


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 09, 2011, 11:59:58 PM
I follow but no Matrix, no idea how you use that...  :o But keep coming lessons, please  :clapping:

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 10, 2011, 09:36:04 PM
The next ball movement is called the Bowtie. 

If the ball repeats the same section or lands on the opposite section, the movement is called the Bowtie.

The American wheel bowties are sections one and two, three and four, five and six.

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 13, 2011, 01:55:41 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Mr J on October 13, 2011, 02:05:35 AM
Thank you for all your posts Kimo Li, much to learn and talk about.

Ken
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 13, 2011, 03:14:26 AM
Hi Kimo, thanks for the current lesson on BowTie.

I have added additional columns in my tracking to track ball movements...  :)

not sure how to use it yet though.. but i believe it is useful definitely in future.





Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 13, 2011, 04:36:19 AM
by the way Teacher Kimo, when tracking Bow-Ties...  if I track it in two columns  (i.e. Bow-Ties Same and Bow-Ties Opposite), would it help?

for example for European Wheel,

36, 8, 3,   (I track it as   Bow-Tie (Same)  and then Bow-Tie (Opposite)

just a thought and observation.  want to hear your advice   :)


Thanks
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 13, 2011, 05:29:21 AM
by the way Teacher Kimo, when tracking Bow-Ties...  if I track it in two columns  (I.e. Bow-Ties Same and Bow-Ties Opposite), would it help?

for example for European Wheel,

36, 8, 3,   (I track it as   Bow-Tie (Same)  and then Bow-Tie (Opposite)

just a thought and observation.  want to hear your advice   :)


Thanks

Lounge player dont you think with a simple - or + is simple enough.so we can tell in the ball is bowtie in same or differ

if bowtie we have
19
30 +
21 +
 
then we will attempt another plus movement same colour if trending,3 numbers,if not then just the six numbers.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 13, 2011, 07:07:18 AM
hi Seykid, i don't really get what you mean.  can you provide an example please?

thanks
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 14, 2011, 02:04:59 AM
Your dealer spins
        19
then 30     so from 19 to 30 its a plus bowtie
then 21    from 30 to 21 a plus bowtie,so we play that next spin will be a plus bowtie.As red is trending we play
36 11 30 8 23 10,place 1 unit on 11,8,10, 5 units on 36 30 23 Total Bet=18 units
Next number 30 repeat,a plus bowtie,WIN Profit=168 units

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 14, 2011, 03:26:01 AM
Hi Seykid, your example below:

from 19 to 30, it's actually a Nuke...

from 30 to 21, it's another Nuke....

I am abit losing you.... sorry.. you are talking about European Wheel right?





Your dealer spins
        19
then 30     so from 19 to 30 its a plus bowtie
then 21    from 30 to 21 a plus bowtie,so we play that next spin will be a plus bowtie.As red is trending we play
36 11 30 8 23 10,place 1 unit on 11,8,10, 5 units on 36 30 23 Total Bet=18 units
Next number 30 repeat,a plus bowtie,WIN Profit=168 units


Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on October 14, 2011, 03:55:30 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 14, 2011, 04:22:34 AM
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36, 8, 3,   (I track it as   Bow-Tie (Same)  and then Bow-Tie (Opposite)

just a thought and observation.  want to hear your advi

LP, That's a great idea.  I do make that distinction.  I also, like seykid observed, keep track of many other factors, like color.

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thank you for all your posts Kimo Li, much to learn and talk about.

Mr. J, No, thank you for your support.

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I see what you mean by bowtie.

PT, you learn quickly.

seykid, I know you meant NUKE because you are advanced in your studies.

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Hi! Thank you Kimo about your lessons, hope you continue that!

Timo, hope you learn more.  However, I believe I saw your download of the roulette wheel somewhere else, months ago.  I remember telling you, or someone else that the X and the Y were not in the right sectors.  Timo if you are the same person that created the wheel, I believe you posted under a different name. Just a thought. The map of the wheel can be seen on page 33, in my book.  As you will see, X and Y have three numbers each.

Kimo Li

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 14, 2011, 06:10:55 AM
Hi Seykid, your example below:

from 19 to 30, it's actually a Nuke...

from 30 to 21, it's another Nuke....

I am abit losing you.... sorry.. you are talking about European Wheel right?





hahahaha..yes sorry mate :whistle:,it is Nuke.But you do get the idea im talking about.For bowtie same principle.Sorry again.But that it shows you do know your pies well ;D
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 14, 2011, 06:30:38 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 14, 2011, 06:41:45 AM
Hello! Kimo, yes I learn little steps  :) I dont remember who created the wheel, I just modified it little. Jep, I can see those wheels are not identical as you said.. But now waiting your next lesson  :ok:


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 14, 2011, 10:43:57 AM
thanks Seykid, i get what you mean now.



CORRECTION FOR BOWTIE EXAMPLE-European wheel.
Your dealer spins
        12
then 30     so from 12 to 30 its a plus bowtie
then 7    from 30 to 7 a plus bowtie,so we play that next spin will be a plus bowtie.As red is trending we play
36 11 30 8 23 10,place 1 unit on 11,8,10, 5 units on 36 30 23 Total Bet=18 units
Next number 30 repeat,a plus bowtie,WIN Profit=168 units
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 16, 2011, 08:51:59 AM
American wheel
Ball spins 22,12,11 i play 11,22,13,12,21,14,
next 3 spins were 14,11,22  fourth spin 2 a loss.
3 lucky hits.Maybe  :haha:
Thanks Kimo  finding new insights to the game every day :yahoo:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 17, 2011, 05:17:09 AM
Not bad at all!  ;)


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on October 17, 2011, 06:19:45 AM
Not bad at all!  ;)


Timo
Timo i bet you know why i played those numbers??
  :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 17, 2011, 12:07:40 PM
Seykid

5 Stars to your post
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 17, 2011, 05:08:10 PM
Jep Seykid I know why you bet those numbers  :thumbsup: ( assuming that you play american wheel )


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 22, 2011, 09:17:38 AM
Huhuu, where has Kimo gone?
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on October 22, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
Idk, but I hope we didn't scare him away.. : (
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 24, 2011, 01:20:18 AM
I am quite sure he's just real busy, because offline and online, he's imparting his knowledge and coaching people he carefully selected. :)


eager to see his coming lessons

Thanks Kimo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: jrhelp007 on October 25, 2011, 11:24:57 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 26, 2011, 02:22:42 AM
Here you go jrhelp007,


The European roulette wheel has 37 numbers.  For the moment, ignore the zero.  Divide the wheel into six sectors, beginning with the number 32.

   Section four:  32, 15, 21, 4, 19, and 2
   Section six: 25, 17, 34, 6, 27 and 13
   Section eight: 36, 11, 30, 8, 23, and 10

Things to note so far:
   Section four is called section four because it is in the section
   Section six is called section six because it is in the section
   Section eight is called section eight because it is in the section

   Sections 4, 6, 8 are called the EVEN half of the roulette wheel because the sector labels are even numbers:

The other half of the wheel:

   Section five: 5, 24, 16, 33, 1, and 20
   Section nine: 14, 31, 9, 22, 18, and 29
   Section seven:  7, 28, 12, 35, 3, and 26

Things to note this time:

   Section five is called section five because it is in the section
   Section nine is called section nine because it is in the section
   Section seven is called section seven because it  is in the section

   Sections 5, 9, 7 are called the ODD half of the roulette wheel because the sector labels are odd numbers.

You will see this in my book.

What am I suppose to do with this information?

Every time a number comes up, you will be able to keep track on what side of the wheel the ball is favoring, the odd half or the even half.  This is basic visual tracking.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 26, 2011, 06:14:43 AM
The teacher is back!  :biggrin:    :pleasantry:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on October 26, 2011, 06:23:55 AM
The teacher is back!  :biggrin:    :pleasantry:

Very nice!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on October 26, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
 :clapping:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on November 20, 2011, 11:49:14 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on November 20, 2011, 10:53:07 PM
Class resumed!   :pleasantry:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on November 27, 2011, 02:16:45 AM
Class resumed!   :pleasantry:
Class is on holiday !!?? :(
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on November 29, 2011, 07:14:33 PM
Class is on holiday !!?? :(
Looks like it  :whistle:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on November 30, 2011, 03:23:02 AM
Timo how are you dong with your studies.Lately im falling for stars strategy rather than pies(sector) not that master yet but still experimenting with playing 6 stars or even dominat 3 from 6.Funny at times,maybe luck when playing 3 stars and getting hitting,you get question like how did you know..well,answer is wild guess  ;)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on November 30, 2011, 10:16:00 AM
Timo how are you dong with your studies.Lately im falling for stars strategy rather than pies(sector) not that master yet but still experimenting with playing 6 stars or even dominat 3 from 6.Funny at times,maybe luck when playing 3 stars and getting hitting,you get question like how did you know..well,answer is wild guess  ;)
Hi! I am not that far yet like you are but happy you are doing well with stars!  :thumbsup: Seems that Kimo is very busy or something  :scratch_ones_head:

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on December 02, 2011, 02:12:53 AM
Hi! I am not that far yet like you are but happy you are doing well with stars!  :thumbsup: Seems that Kimo is very busy or something  :scratch_ones_head:

Timo
Busy with the spreadsheets it seems.Can check on site there are more available..well dont know when you last check his site.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on December 02, 2011, 03:32:31 PM
Busy with the spreadsheets it seems.Can check on site there are more available..well dont know when you last check his site.
Yes I suppose so too. I have them all what now are available  :)

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on December 03, 2011, 01:54:46 AM
That is a lot of spreadsheet to study.I think then you can choose one and master it.Nuke is most favorable among many.
Seykid.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on December 03, 2011, 03:27:48 AM
It would be great if he come out with the nuke spreadsheet! I asked him, and he doesn't know if he wants to release it... though, I'm guessing it would be a bit more in price rather than his usual spreadsheets. I think for now, the Bowtie spreadsheet is better than any of the others, but that's all personal preference. I'm thinking the pendulum and snowflake should be coming out soon. So that will be interesting.  ;)

Best Regards,
PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on December 03, 2011, 12:28:22 PM
That is a lot of spreadsheet to study.I think then you can choose one and master it.Nuke is most favorable among many.
Seykid.
You are correct Seykid, jep I like also Nuke strategy  :)

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on December 03, 2011, 12:53:06 PM
It would be great if he come out with the nuke spreadsheet! I asked him, and he doesn't know if he wants to release it... though, I'm guessing it would be a bit more in price rather than his usual spreadsheets. I think for now, the Bowtie spreadsheet is better than any of the others, but that's all personal preference. I'm thinking the pendulum and snowflake should be coming out soon. So that will be interesting.  ;)

Best Regards,
PT
Yes, I wait it too if Kimo release Nuke spreadsheet but time will tell that..

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on December 07, 2011, 12:48:11 AM
Hi,

There has been many inquiries about the nuke spreadsheet.  I am working on a basic version, based on the section characteristics within my book: red, black, odd, even, low, high, XY, DS, ABC, Star 14, 25, 36  It's all based on the skip and run, simple tracking.

On a different note:  I have read comments about using the weird or odd strategy names like, hemi, nuke, phoenix, etc.  I realized it may sound ridiculous.  At the time of context, years ago, the team would use some of these terms as a secret language to communicate strategy choice.  I never gave it much thought when describing them in my books.  I could have used sectors, neighbors, street, etc., like the rest of the roulette world.  I think I like saying the term Nuke, rather than saying every other six number sectors.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on December 07, 2011, 02:19:33 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on December 07, 2011, 10:07:16 AM
Hi PT,

Basic does not mean less powerful, just means it's easier to understand. Most of ones you have are advanced tracking. The basic spreadsheets are straight forward and correlates with what I have in my book. Is it not the point of this thread, "learning the Kimo Li way".

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on December 23, 2011, 04:56:01 PM
Hi, Merry Chritmas to all! :)

Best Regards Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on December 25, 2011, 08:08:16 PM
Dead place,seems to it badly .. :skull:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: revolver on December 27, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
Master kimo, we miss u too much.  We also need ur help here in spain.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: revolver on January 02, 2012, 08:54:39 PM
LI SENSEI!!! COME BACK PLEASE!!!
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on January 02, 2012, 09:17:33 PM
he is probably busy. but i hope he'll be back
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: revolver on January 03, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
he is probably busy. but I hope he'll be back

me too  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 04, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
Will post next week.  Happy New Year.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: revolver on January 04, 2012, 02:24:07 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on January 04, 2012, 07:18:18 PM
Happy New Year Kimo!!!!
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 05, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
Not so happy, missing badly our cat, she lived 19 years old, died 1.1.-2012 with doctors spike, kidneys was broken, must end.. :((( I miss Turri so much..huoh.  :'( But live goes on.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 05, 2012, 10:39:52 PM
But Happy new year Kimo and Iggiv/ and others!!!


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 12, 2012, 08:45:16 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on January 12, 2012, 09:04:08 PM
Hey Kimo!

Thanks for the lesson! And thank you for the spreadsheet updates! It really helped since it was a little complex at first. I also like the profile picture, haha.

Hope to hear more from you!!

Best Regards,
PT

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 12, 2012, 10:14:33 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 13, 2012, 12:51:39 AM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on January 13, 2012, 01:37:03 AM

IS THIS EUROPEAN SPINS.IF YES GIVEN THE FIRST FEW SPINS
08   B
25   
36   
15   B  i will just here and bet 2 4 6 8 10 11 13 15 17 (going nuke i bet 2 4 15 11 8 10 31 22 29)
07   
09   
35   B
33   B
22   B (win with Nuke with progression)
17   B win on 6 spins win progression
22   B
24   B

Small example of playing as it comes.But puting down on spreadsheet is another story  :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 13, 2012, 02:05:42 AM
Seykid,

Quote
From the perspective of the American wheel players, a great memory, pattern recognition, and trigger options are required, along with a healthy bankroll.

You are American Player and know how to apply to European wheel. Well done.

Kimo Li

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 13, 2012, 03:11:38 AM
Same numbers (Bayes sample 50) in six number increments. Now tracking Global Pies 468 and 597 with red and black characteristics.


08   25   36   15   07   09
35   33   22   17   22   24
35   14   28   36   31   23
17   20   02   29   29   09
15   30   15   11   21   32
28   26   07   29   18   17
28   29   30   19   11   17
14   23   04   27   27   12
27      20   29   20   15
15   32      21   18   24
33   23   03   36   05   08
22   05   18   23   20   17
13   33   08   32   21   12
17   08   32   09   06   30
21   07   24   02   07   12
10   16   13   25   18   20
23   30      26   22   34
20   16   34   26   15   08
34   32   17      17   26
01   01   23   23   21   22
15   27   15   07   35   19
01   18   09   20   18   20
30   09   25   11   35   
31   24   22   11   24   10
27   18   03   18   35   01
13   17   03   32   25   21
31   16   03   16   25   31
21   18   29   01   30   13
16   19   09   11   32   31
02   08   20   15   17   27
16   17   14   20   27   01
25   32   01   04   31   21
22   32   23   34      21
08   08   07   16   06   24
27   34   14   27   29   03
14   13   13   26   24   12
25      13   24      33
13   35   06   23   02   01
35   24   08   36   09   04
14   27   12   12   11   07
14   11   16   28   03   16
22   35   04   27   27   03
03   09   22   20   23   27
25   21   12   09   35   
26   33   14   14   23   19
15   31   07   13   02   28
30   01   26   12   01   26
24   12   27   19   25   06
09      23   20   34   36
01      11   12   08   01


Column one (T) is the number of times sections 4, 6, 8 (first half of the wheel) hit in six spins and how many were red (R) and black (B)

T   R    B

4   2   2
1      1
2   2   
2      2
6   3   3
1      1
4   2   2
4   3   1
2   1   1
3   2   1
3   2   1
2   1   1
4   2   2
5   2   3
2   1   1
3   1   2
3   3   
3   1   2
4   2   2
3   3   
4   2   2
      
3   2   1
2      2
1   1   
5   3   2
1   1   
3   2   1
3   2   1
5   1   4
2   1   1
4   3   1
4   4   
3      3
3   3   
2      2
2   1   1
4   1   3
3   1   2
2   1   1
1      1
3   2   1
2   2   
2   2   
2   2   
3      3
1   1   
4   3   1
3   3   
2      2

Column one (T) is the number of times sections 5, 9, 7 (second half of the wheel) hit in six spins and how many were red (R) and black (B)


T  R  B

2   2   
5      5
4   1   3
4   1   3
      
5   2   3
2      2
2   2   
3      3
2   1   1
3   2   1
4   2   2
2   1   1
1   1   
4   3   1
3   2   1
2      2
3   1   2
1      1
3   2   1
2   1   1
6   4   2
2   1   1
4      4
5   4   1
1   1   
5   3   2
3   2   1
3   2   1
1      1
4   3   1
2   1   1
1      1
3   2   1
3   2   1
4   2   2
2      2
2   1   1
3   1   2
4   4   
5   4   1
3   1   2
4   2   2
3   2   1
4   2   2
3   1   2
5   3   2
2   1   1
2   1   1
3   3   

Do you see where this is going?  If you don't here's a hint.  Imagine tracking all the other traditional characteristics of odd, even, low, high.  Now throw in the rest of the characteristics described in my books and you get unlimited possibilities. Get the picture?

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: bombus on January 13, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
 :thumbsup:
Same numbers (Bayes sample 50) in six number increments. Now tracking Global Pies 468 and 597 with red and black characteristics.


08   25   36   15   07   09
35   33   22   17   22   24
35   14   28   36   31   23
17   20   02   29   29   09
15   30   15   11   21   32
28   26   07   29   18   17
28   29   30   19   11   17
14   23   04   27   27   12
27      20   29   20   15
15   32      21   18   24
33   23   03   36   05   08
22   05   18   23   20   17
13   33   08   32   21   12
17   08   32   09   06   30
21   07   24   02   07   12
10   16   13   25   18   20
23   30      26   22   34
20   16   34   26   15   08
34   32   17      17   26
01   01   23   23   21   22
15   27   15   07   35   19
01   18   09   20   18   20
30   09   25   11   35   
31   24   22   11   24   10
27   18   03   18   35   01
13   17   03   32   25   21
31   16   03   16   25   31
21   18   29   01   30   13
16   19   09   11   32   31
02   08   20   15   17   27
16   17   14   20   27   01
25   32   01   04   31   21
22   32   23   34      21
08   08   07   16   06   24
27   34   14   27   29   03
14   13   13   26   24   12
25      13   24      33
13   35   06   23   02   01
35   24   08   36   09   04
14   27   12   12   11   07
14   11   16   28   03   16
22   35   04   27   27   03
03   09   22   20   23   27
25   21   12   09   35   
26   33   14   14   23   19
15   31   07   13   02   28
30   01   26   12   01   26
24   12   27   19   25   06
09      23   20   34   36
01      11   12   08   01


Column one (T) is the number of times sections 4, 6, 8 (first half of the wheel) hit in six spins and how many were red (R) and black (B)

T   R    B

4   2   2
1      1
2   2   
2      2
6   3   3
1      1
4   2   2
4   3   1
2   1   1
3   2   1
3   2   1
2   1   1
4   2   2
5   2   3
2   1   1
3   1   2
3   3   
3   1   2
4   2   2
3   3   
4   2   2
      
3   2   1
2      2
1   1   
5   3   2
1   1   
3   2   1
3   2   1
5   1   4
2   1   1
4   3   1
4   4   
3      3
3   3   
2      2
2   1   1
4   1   3
3   1   2
2   1   1
1      1
3   2   1
2   2   
2   2   
2   2   
3      3
1   1   
4   3   1
3   3   
2      2

Column one (T) is the number of times sections 5, 9, 7 (second half of the wheel) hit in six spins and how many were red (R) and black (B)


T  R  B

2   2   
5      5
4   1   3
4   1   3
      
5   2   3
2      2
2   2   
3      3
2   1   1
3   2   1
4   2   2
2   1   1
1   1   
4   3   1
3   2   1
2      2
3   1   2
1      1
3   2   1
2   1   1
6   4   2
2   1   1
4      4
5   4   1
1   1   
5   3   2
3   2   1
3   2   1
1      1
4   3   1
2   1   1
1      1
3   2   1
3   2   1
4   2   2
2      2
2   1   1
3   1   2
4   4   
5   4   1
3   1   2
4   2   2
3   2   1
4   2   2
3   1   2
5   3   2
2   1   1
2   1   1
3   3   

Do you see where this is going?  If you don't here's a hint.  Imagine tracking all the other traditional characteristics of odd, even, low, high.  Now throw in the rest of the characteristics described in my books and you get unlimited possibilities. Get the picture?

Kimo Li

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 13, 2012, 03:44:33 AM
What I have introduced to you is called the Global Pie Red and Black QUADS.

It involves tracking nine numbers (four sets) and using six number increments in this case.  However, other increments may be used as well.  It depends on what you determine as your goal.

Global Pie 468 red numbers
Global Pie 468 black numbers
Global Pie 597 red numbers
Global Pie 597 black numbers

This concept applies to all of the Global Pie strategies, and yes that includes the NUKE.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Bayes on January 13, 2012, 02:33:55 PM
Hi Kimo,

You mention you got these spins from my "challenge" thread (sample #50). This sample was actually generated by a pseudo-RNG, they didn't come from a real wheel. For the purpose of your demo, it may not matter, but just thought I'd mention it.  :good:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 13, 2012, 04:30:12 PM
Hi Bayes,

Thanks for the info. I see (sample 23) are actual.  So let's see what that looks like.

There are 136 black, 158 red, and 6 zeros.  Here's something interesting: Sections 468 and 597 have exactly 147 spins on each side of the wheel.

26   B
18   
31   B
1   
15   B
18   
25   
6   B
14   
23   
12   
11   B
35   B
7   
33   B
34   
6   B
18   
23   
8   B
4   B
14   
35   B
25   
30   
8   B
29   B
9   
1   
1   
9   
19   
20   B
30   
11   B
11   B
19   
9   
1   
10   B
13   B
21   
28   B
7   
19   
26   B
30   
35   B
28   B
24   B
8   B
9   
23   
5   
32   
10   B
2   B
19   
28   B
27   
19   
33   B
25   
5   
   
18   
35   B
12   
23   
13   B
20   B
7   
8   B
7   
15   B
27   
15   B
19   
2   B
10   B
26   B
2   B
11   B
2   B
1   
15   B
19   
33   B
14   
33   B
27   
13   B
29   B
26   B
18   
30   
19   
12   
14   
6   B
21   
4   B
14   
17   B
12   
10   B
34   
35   B
18   
34   
28   B
16   
14   
18   
20   B
25   
9   
18   
1   
5   
5   
5   
16   
6   B
26   B
28   B
32   
4   B
17   B
3   
12   
30   
11   B
29   B
24   B
21   
4   B
22   B
35   B
33   B
27   
7   
3   
36   
7   
28   B
21   
4   B
8   B
22   B
22   B
19   
29   B
   
17   B
8   B
7   
12   
35   B
19   
10   B
20   B
14   
12   
27   
26   B
20   B
2   B
35   B
35   B
5   
21   
36   
23   
7   
15   B
21   
23   
2   B
17   B
30   
3   
14   
20   B
26   B
10   B
17   B
19   
7   
26   B
32   
22   B
12   
18   
8   B
27   
27   
3   
9   
18   
11   B
4   B
6   B
   
6   B
18   
9   
10   B
33   B
32   
25   
25   
35   B
8   B
19   
27   
11   B
28   B
5   
4   B
21   
5   
31   B
32   
1   
26   B
19   
2   B
8   B
9   
31   B
13   B
19   
32   
24   B
9   
8   B
2   B
15   B
4   B
22   B
9   
2   B
31   B
19   
9   
5   
25   
   
8   B
5   
1   
9   
35   B
36   
33   B
30   
36   
33   B
12   
4   B
17   B
20   B
9   
1   
36   
11   B
12   
   
24   B
30   
15   B
2   B
22   B
32   
36   
16   
17   B
16   
32   
7   
17   B
3   
10   B
4   B
14   
16   
5   
2   B
2   B
1   
21   
11   B
   
18   
23   
9   
9   
27   
10   B


Here are the numbers in six number increments.


26   18   31   01   15   18
25   06   14   23   12   11
35   07   33   34   06   18
23   08   04   14   35   25
30   08   29   09   01   01
09   19   20   30   11   11
19   09   01   10   13   21
28   07   19   26   30   35
28   24   08   09   23   05
32   10   02   19   28   27
19   33   25   05    0   18
35   12   23   13   20   07
08   07   15   27   15   19
02   10   26   02   11   02
01   15   19   33   14   33
27   13   29   26   18   30
19   12   14   06   21   04
14   17   12   10   34   35
18   34   28   16   14   18
20   25   09   18   01   05
05   05   16   06   26   28
32   04   17   03   12   30
11   29   24   21   04   22
35   33   27   07   03   36
07   28   21   04   08   22
22   19   29    0   17   08
07   12   35   19   10   20
14   12   27   26   20   02
35   35   05   21   36   23
07   15   21   23   02   17
30   03   14   20   26   10
17   19   07   26   32   22
12   18   08   27   27   03
09   18   11   04   06    0
06   18   09   10   33   32
25   25   35   08   19   27
11   28   05   04   21   05
31   32   01   26   19   02
08   09   31   13   19   32
24   09   08   02   15   04
22   09   02   31   19   09
05   25    0   08   05   01
09   35   36   33   30   36
33   12   04   17   20   09
01   36   11   12    0   24
30   15   02   22   32   36
16   17   16   32   07   17
03   10   04   14   16   05
02   02   01   21   11    0
18   23   09   09   27   10




468 - red 71, black 76 (147 hits on 468 half)
597 - red 87, black 60 (147 hits on 597 half)
six zeros


468                      597
T      R   B      T      R   B
1      0   1      5      3   2
4      2   2      2      2   0
2      1   1      4      2   2
4      2   2      2      1   1
2      1   1      4      3   1
4      2   2      2      1   1
4      2   2      2      2   0
2      2   0      4      1   3
2      1   1      4      2   2
5      3   2      1      0   1
2      2   0      3      2   1
2      1   1      4      2   2
5      2   3      1      1   0
5      0   5      1      0   1
2      1   1      4      2   2
3      2   1      3      1   2
4      2   2      2      2   0
3      1   2      3      2   1
1      1   0      5      4   1
1      1   0      5      4   1
1      0   1      5      3   2
4      2   2      2      2   0
3      1   2      3      0   3
2      2   0      4      2   2
3      1   2      3      1   2
3      1   2      2      0   2
2      1   1      4      2   2
2      1   1      4      2   2
3      3   0      3      1   2
5      2   3      1      1   0
2      1   1      4      2   2
3      2   1      3      1   2
3      2   1      3      3   0
3      0   3      2      2   0
3      1   2      3      2   1
5      4   1      1      0   1
3      1   2      3      2   1
3      2   1      3      1   2
4      2   2      2      1   1
4      0   4      2      1   1
2      1   1      4      2   2
2      1   1      3      3   0
3      3   0      3      1   2
2      0   2      4      2   2
2      1   1      3      2   1
5      3   2      1      0   1
3      1   2      3      3   0
2      0   2      4      4   0
4      1   3      1      1   0
3      2   1      3      3   0



Kimo Li

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 13, 2012, 07:54:22 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on January 13, 2012, 10:32:36 PM
It should be wagered all 9 numbers with an agressive progression (fibonaci) seeking 1 hit per line while you have a consistent and positive streak as in this permanence.  It is like playing microgames when you are in plus you stop the progression.

                                                  wagers chips
26   18   31   01   15   18       
25   06   14   23   12   11       trigger
35   07   33   34   06   18      1 1 1 2              +27
23   08   04   14   35   25      1                       +27   
30   08   29   09   01   01      1                        +27
09   19   20   30   11   11      1 1                     +18
19   09   01   10   13   21      1                        +27
28   07   19   26   30   35      1  1  1                +9
28   24   08   09   23   05      1  1  1  2  2        +9
32   10   02   19   28   27      1                         +27
19   33   25   05    0   18       1                        +27
35   12   23   13   20   07      1  1  1                +9
08   07   15   27   15   19      1  1  1  2            +27
02   10   26   02   11   02      1  1  1  2  2  2  stop  betting till new trigger   -72
01   15   19   33   14   33       trigger again
27   13   29   26   18   30      3                        +108  covering last loss
19   12   14   06   21   04      1                        +27
14   17   12   10   34   35      1  1  1  2  2        +9
18   34   28   16   14   18      1   1                   +18
20   25   09   18   01   05      1   1                   +18
05   05   16   06   26   28      1  1  1  2  2  2  stop betting till new trigger      -72
32   04   17   03   12   30      trigger again
11   29   24   21   04   22      3  3  3  5    +59           
35   33   27   07   03   36      2  2  2        + 36  These last wins cover my last loss.
07   28   21   04   08   22      1   1  1       +9
22   19   29    0   17   08       1   1           + 18
07   12   35   19   10   20      1   1  1  2   +27
14   12   27   26   20   02      1   1  1        +9
35   35   05   21   36   23      1   1  1  2    +27
07   15   21   23   02   17      1   1  1        +9
30   03   14   20   26   10      1                 +27
17   19   07   26   32   22      1   1            +18
12   18   08   27   27   03      1                 +27
09   18   11   04   06    0       1   1   1   2   2   2     -72     
06   18   09   10   33   32      3   3   3   5   5   5     -36
25   25   35   08   19   27      5                              +180   covering last 2 losses
11   28   05   04   21   05      1   1   1   2   2          + 18
31   32   01   26   19   02
08   09   31   13   19   32
24   09   08   02   15   04
22   09   02   31   19   09
05   25    0   08   05   01
09   35   36   33   30   36
33   12   04   17   20   09
01   36   11   12    0   24
30   15   02   22   32   36
16   17   16   32   07   17
03   10   04   14   16   05
02   02   01   21   11    0
18   23   09   09   27   10

 I've not been around for a while.
A pleasure to read you Kimo again.
Happy new year for everybody.

Cheers,
Carlos.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on January 14, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
Thanks Kimo, for the new sets of lessons and also fellow Matrix masters for the sharing.

and hey welcome back Carlos! :)



Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 15, 2012, 12:38:54 PM
Carlos,

It is always a pleasure to see how you choose your strategy. 

Loungeplayer,

What approach would you use?


On a different note:  Someone had mentioned something to me about the American GPM player versus the European GPM player concerning the use of computers.

The European players can play online using spreadsheets and programs to help choose the optimum bets.  The American player, while playing live at the table must rely on the information stored in their brains, and for some, a cheat sheet and a pen.

Certainly the European players have an advantage because they have the use of the computers and the single zero advantage.  However, I believe the American GPM player has a greater advantage over the European player because they have the wheel and the layout memorized and can visually see in their minds what the ball is doing.  Combined that with tracking skills without the use of computers, the American GPM player has a great advantage.

You don't believe me?  Okay, what are the phone numbers of your friends and family without looking at your phone.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on January 15, 2012, 02:30:44 PM
well Kimo, I would arrange the numbers similarly in rows of 6... and divide them into first 3 spins and second 3 spins.

and since the previous row of six numbers would give me an idea of what would appear in the next row of six numbers, I would pick out 2 sets of possibilities. (For example:  Pie 468 Red and Pie 597 Red)

and I would wait for first 3 spins to finish first, and then just enter for the 2nd 3 spins on one chosen set of possibility.

and repeat it over and over again until target is hit.  flat betting all the way, increasing on certain bet selections only when I am winning (eg: betting 2-3 units extra heavy on certain bets).

hit target and walk away. and leave some on the table. (lol)

thanks Kimo, you really taught me a lot about perception.  amazing.   (Fooled by randomness in the past)


P.S.  I am an European wheel player and I need not track with computer. Again, many thanks to Kimo's materials, the entire wheel and almost all movements are engraved into my mind.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 15, 2012, 02:36:57 PM
Loungeplayer,

I am impressed.  You speak with great confidence. That is the strategy I would have employed.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on January 15, 2012, 02:41:15 PM
Thank you Grandmaster.   :)   
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 15, 2012, 03:39:41 PM
Using Bayes (sample 29 actual), Loungeplayer, does the same approach work?

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07       0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06
13    0   25      13   34   12
33   12   11      16   09   24
21   12   22      16   29   06
30   01   19      23   26   27
16   01   17      31   10   13
07   30   05      24   28   33
32   28   31      31   28   01
10   35   20      25   23   10
21   36   03      08   07   01
14   08   23      21   11   31
29   09   05       0   18   30
22   17   36      35   28   24
20   36   21      24   21   08
11   16   22      07   14   16
36   11   22      10   13   31
09   28   28       0   30   10
31   10   30      04   06   06
30   12   02      01   30   30
18   09   28      17   13   21
16   27   29      29   20   15
36   23   35      24   05   32
13   06   21      29   03   30
12   26   06      13   25   35
23   16   10      01   06   32
07   33   32      05   19   26
13   08   35      24   02   20
28   05   35      08   04   05
03   25   13      31   35   11
30   21   26      21   28   32
26   06   20      36   12   25
03   14   06      07   23   28
10   16   22      04   26   35
32   05   16      25   07   32
13   26   33      22   26   09


For those who want to try, here are the 468 RED AND 597 RED numbers.

468 RED

32   19   21
25   34   27
36   30   23


597 RED
      
05   16   01
14   09   18
07   12   03




Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 17, 2012, 10:49:13 AM
Using Bayes (sample 29 actual), Loungeplayer, does the same approach work?

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07       0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06
13    0   25      13   34   12
33   12   11      16   09   24
21   12   22      16   29   06
30   01   19      23   26   27
16   01   17      31   10   13
07   30   05      24   28   33
32   28   31      31   28   01
10   35   20      25   23   10
21   36   03      08   07   01
14   08   23      21   11   31
29   09   05       0   18   30
22   17   36      35   28   24
20   36   21      24   21   08
11   16   22      07   14   16
36   11   22      10   13   31
09   28   28       0   30   10
31   10   30      04   06   06
30   12   02      01   30   30
18   09   28      17   13   21
16   27   29      29   20   15
36   23   35      24   05   32
13   06   21      29   03   30
12   26   06      13   25   35
23   16   10      01   06   32
07   33   32      05   19   26
13   08   35      24   02   20
28   05   35      08   04   05
03   25   13      31   35   11
30   21   26      21   28   32
26   06   20      36   12   25
03   14   06      07   23   28
10   16   22      04   26   35
32   05   16      25   07   32
13   26   33      22   26   09


For those who want to try, here are the 468 RED AND 597 RED numbers.

468 RED

32   19   21
25   34   27
36   30   23


597 RED
      
05   16   01
14   09   18
07   12   03


Thanks for the lessons Kimo!  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 18, 2012, 09:18:33 PM
IS THIS EUROPEAN SPINS.IF YES GIVEN THE FIRST FEW SPINS
08   B
25   
36   
15   B  I will just here and bet 2 4 6 8 10 11 13 15 17 (going nuke I bet 2 4 15 11 8 10 31 22 29)
07   
09   
35   B
33   B
22   B (win with Nuke with progression)
17   B win on 6 spins win progression
22   B
24   B

Small example of playing as it comes.But puting down on spreadsheet is another story  :)

Hi all! In this example why would not bet 32,15,19,36,11,30,14,31,9 because more X than Y?? Maybe stupid question but ask anyway... If Kimo or somebody could answer?  :)

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on January 19, 2012, 01:39:45 AM
Hi Timo,

That's the beauty of Kimo's teachings and spreadsheets.  Everyone sees something different and can use that as an advantage.  Good observation BTW.

Best Regards,
PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on January 19, 2012, 07:04:15 AM
Hi all! In this example why would not bet 32,15,19,36,11,30,14,31,9 because more X than Y?? Maybe stupid question but ask anyway... If Kimo or somebody could answer?  :)

Timo
Timo in this small example im betting after 4 spins dominant factor as if playing as it comes in the head you can say,like Pokertwist said each in his own way..but putting on spreadsheet that is another story  :whistle:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 19, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
Hello! Ok, thanks for your replys mates!  :)

Cheers!

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 21, 2012, 01:23:58 PM
Using Bayes (sample 29 actual) Let's see what Odd and Even looks like

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07       0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06
13    0   25      13   34   12
33   12   11      16   09   24
21   12   22      16   29   06
30   01   19      23   26   27
16   01   17      31   10   13
07   30   05      24   28   33
32   28   31      31   28   01
10   35   20      25   23   10
21   36   03      08   07   01
14   08   23      21   11   31
29   09   05       0   18   30
22   17   36      35   28   24
20   36   21      24   21   08
11   16   22      07   14   16
36   11   22      10   13   31
09   28   28       0   30   10
31   10   30      04   06   06
30   12   02      01   30   30
18   09   28      17   13   21
16   27   29      29   20   15
36   23   35      24   05   32
13   06   21      29   03   30
12   26   06      13   25   35
23   16   10      01   06   32
07   33   32      05   19   26
13   08   35      24   02   20
28   05   35      08   04   05
03   25   13      31   35   11
30   21   26      21   28   32
26   06   20      36   12   25
03   14   06      07   23   28
10   16   22      04   26   35
32   05   16      25   07   32
13   26   33      22   26   09

T= Total
O= Odd
E= Even


468 ODD                                468 EVEN


   15   19      21                     32         04      02
25   17         27   13                        34   06      
   11         23                     36      30   08      10
                                                

                                                
597 ODD                                597 EVEN
                           
                                                
05         33   01                        24   16         20
   31   09         29                  14         22   18   
07         35   03                        28   12         26





468                    597

T      O   E         T      O   E
                           
3      2   1         2      1   1
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      1   1
1      0   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      2   1
3      1   2         3      3   0
2      2   0         4      3   1
4      2   2         1      1   0
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      0   2
2      1   1         4      3   1
3      2   1         3      1   2
5      4   1         1      1   0
3      0   3         3      2   1
2      2   0         4      2   2
3      1   2         2      1   1
4      3   1         1      0   1
1      1   0         5      2   3
2      1   1         4      1   3
4      3   1         2      1   1
3      2   1         3      2   1
1      0   1         5      3   2
1      0   1         5      3   2
4      2   2         2      1   1
3      1   2         3      3   0
4      3   1         2      1   1
1      0   1         4      3   1
2      1   1         4      1   3
4      2   2         2      0   2
1      1   0         5      1   4
4      2   2         2      1   1
2      0   2         3      1   2
5      0   5         1      1   0
4      0   4         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      1   2
2      2   0         4      2   2
3      1   2         3      2   1
4      2   2         2      2   0
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      1   3         2      1   1
2      1   1         4      3   1
3      1   2         3      1   2
2      0   2         4      3   1
3      3   0         3      3   0
4      2   2         2      0   2
3      1   2         3      0   3
2      1   1         4      2   2
2      0   2         4      1   3
3      1   2         3      2   1
1      1   0         5      2   3


Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 21, 2012, 06:20:26 PM
Using Bayes (sample 29 actual) Let's see what Odd and Even looks like

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07       0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06
13    0   25      13   34   12
33   12   11      16   09   24
21   12   22      16   29   06
30   01   19      23   26   27
16   01   17      31   10   13
07   30   05      24   28   33
32   28   31      31   28   01
10   35   20      25   23   10
21   36   03      08   07   01
14   08   23      21   11   31
29   09   05       0   18   30
22   17   36      35   28   24
20   36   21      24   21   08
11   16   22      07   14   16
36   11   22      10   13   31
09   28   28       0   30   10
31   10   30      04   06   06
30   12   02      01   30   30
18   09   28      17   13   21
16   27   29      29   20   15
36   23   35      24   05   32
13   06   21      29   03   30
12   26   06      13   25   35
23   16   10      01   06   32
07   33   32      05   19   26
13   08   35      24   02   20
28   05   35      08   04   05
03   25   13      31   35   11
30   21   26      21   28   32
26   06   20      36   12   25
03   14   06      07   23   28
10   16   22      04   26   35
32   05   16      25   07   32
13   26   33      22   26   09

T= Total
O= Odd
E= Even


468 ODD                                468 EVEN


   15   19      21                     32         04      02
25   17         27   13                        34   06      
   11         23                     36      30   08      10
                                                

                                                
597 ODD                                597 EVEN
                           
                                                
05         33   01                        24   16         20
   31   09         29                  14         22   18   
07         35   03                        28   12         26





468                    597

T      O   E         T      O   E
                           
3      2   1         2      1   1
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      1   1
1      0   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      2   1
3      1   2         3      3   0
2      2   0         4      3   1
4      2   2         1      1   0
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      0   2
2      1   1         4      3   1
3      2   1         3      1   2
5      4   1         1      1   0
3      0   3         3      2   1
2      2   0         4      2   2
3      1   2         2      1   1
4      3   1         1      0   1
1      1   0         5      2   3
2      1   1         4      1   3
4      3   1         2      1   1
3      2   1         3      2   1
1      0   1         5      3   2
1      0   1         5      3   2
4      2   2         2      1   1
3      1   2         3      3   0
4      3   1         2      1   1
1      0   1         4      3   1
2      1   1         4      1   3
4      2   2         2      0   2
1      1   0         5      1   4
4      2   2         2      1   1
2      0   2         3      1   2
5      0   5         1      1   0
4      0   4         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      1   2
2      2   0         4      2   2
3      1   2         3      2   1
4      2   2         2      2   0
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      1   3         2      1   1
2      1   1         4      3   1
3      1   2         3      1   2
2      0   2         4      3   1
3      3   0         3      3   0
4      2   2         2      0   2
3      1   2         3      0   3
2      1   1         4      2   2
2      0   2         4      1   3
3      1   2         3      2   1
1      1   0         5      2   3


Kimo Li
Hi Kimo! So you put all information to"one" Nuke ,Hemi or what using to? Correct?

Cheers!

Timo

PS. You are very genius Kimo!!  :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 21, 2012, 07:04:54 PM
Hi Timo,

If you put the same information on the Global Pie spreadsheet, you would get the same information.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 21, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
Hello Kimo!

Yes, the numbers will be all the same what you are "playing" with..But but.. Of course they will come same GP method also but how you use your Nuke, Bowtie and so on, you know Kimo, my mate but I am still just a novice, you are PRO!!  :)
And I am very happy that some like you give us your teachings!!  :) THANKS!!!

Cheers!

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 21, 2012, 11:18:11 PM
Hi Timo,

You are absolutely correct.  The same numbers will have different trends when you apply them to the Bowtie, Nuke, Pendulum, Global Star, Hemi, and so on, each have a life of their own.  You are only beginning to scratch the surface. There is more to the Global Pie Method that meets the eye.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 22, 2012, 12:47:24 AM
Hi Timo,

You are absolutely correct.  The same numbers will have different trends when you apply them to the Bowtie, Nuke, Pendulum, Global Star, Hemi, and so on, each have a life of their own.  You are only beginning to scratch the surface. There is more to the Global Pie Method that meets the eye.

Kimo Li

Hi Kimo! I know that I am just scratching surfase.. There is lot, lot more..! Maybe takes 5-10 years when I know about roulette 10%  what you do. And I say I dont studying your methods that I come rich, just a paper I think, if food and roof your head up and jobs thats important plus love your family, which is most important, I think. Just fascinating how you beat up roulette, its what me keep up in this game, because its beatable, matter who says different.

Cheers!

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 22, 2012, 02:57:13 PM
Hi Timo,

You are absolutely correct.  The same numbers will have different trends when you apply them to the Bowtie, Nuke, Pendulum, Global Star, Hemi, and so on, each have a life of their own.  You are only beginning to scratch the surface. There is more to the Global Pie Method that meets the eye.

Kimo Li
Hello Kimo! And the "eye" comes practising, practising..? It wont happen like flash I suppose?  :)

Best Regards Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 22, 2012, 05:43:33 PM
Hi Timo,

You have a lot of wisdom.  A stable home family, and friends is the most important.  I too share the same feelings. Those who know me personally, know that I donate my time and money to build picnic tables and benches to give away anonymously. That is what makes my soul be at peace.

Something terrible happen in my life thirty years ago.  In order for me to keep my sanity I needed to keep my mind busy.  So, I decided to do the "impossible", that is to break the code of roulette.  I did not do it for the money. I did to keep my sanity.  I spent all my time doing so. It was great because it kept me from thinking about what had happened in my life. I did not expect to figure it out, but I did.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on January 22, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
hi Kimo, sorry i missed out on the message you had for me earlier in this thread.  Yes, for the live numbers you posted earlier, it would still apply as I tried out the similar principles but I used Nuke Quads.

For all fellow students following this thread, what Kimo posted here:
http://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=19191.msg143568#msg143568 (http://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=19191.msg143568#msg143568)


that is very very very important, in my humble opinion, he is hinting us on a concept in GPM called 'Equal Distribution'.

Digest that, and you would get new nutrients in your roulette path! :)


LP
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on January 23, 2012, 05:49:33 AM
With a good map,you can drive around safely,given the map of roulette it's the same the guess  :clapping:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 23, 2012, 10:49:02 AM
Quote
With a good map,you can drive around safely,given the map of roulette it's the same the guess

Hi Seykid,

That's a great analogy.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 23, 2012, 10:52:45 AM
Hi loungeplayer,

Quote
...he is hinting us on a concept in GPM called 'Equal Distribution'

Nice one, everything will eventually balance itself.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 23, 2012, 11:14:59 AM
Using Bayes (sample 29 actual) Let's see what Low and High looks like

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07       0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06
13    0   25      13   34   12
33   12   11      16   09   24
21   12   22      16   29   06
30   01   19      23   26   27
16   01   17      31   10   13
07   30   05      24   28   33
32   28   31      31   28   01
10   35   20      25   23   10
21   36   03      08   07   01
14   08   23      21   11   31
29   09   05       0   18   30
22   17   36      35   28   24
20   36   21      24   21   08
11   16   22      07   14   16
36   11   22      10   13   31
09   28   28       0   30   10
31   10   30      04   06   06
30   12   02      01   30   30
18   09   28      17   13   21
16   27   29      29   20   15
36   23   35      24   05   32
13   06   21      29   03   30
12   26   06      13   25   35
23   16   10      01   06   32
07   33   32      05   19   26
13   08   35      24   02   20
28   05   35      08   04   05
03   25   13      31   35   11
30   21   26      21   28   32
26   06   20      36   12   25
03   14   06      07   23   28
10   16   22      04   26   35
32   05   16      25   07   32
13   26   33      22   26   09

T = Total
L = Low
H = High

468               597

T      L   H         T      L   H
3      2   1         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      0   3
4      2   2         2      0   2
1      0   1         4      4   0
3      1   2         3      2   1
3      3   0         3      2   1
2      1   1         4      2   2
4      2   2         1      1   0
3      1   2         3      1   2
4      1   3         2      2   0
2      1   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      2   1
5      1   4         1      0   1
3      0   3         3      2   1
2      2   0         4      3   1
3      1   2         2      2   0
4      2   2         1      1   0
1      1   0         5      3   2
2      1   1         4      2   2
4      0   4         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      2   1
1      0   1         5      2   3
1      0   1         5      1   4
4      2   2         2      0   2
3      1   2         3      3   0
4      2   2         2      1   1
1      0   1         4      3   1
2      1   1         4      0   4
4      1   3         2      0   2
1      1   0         5      4   1
4      3   1         2      0   2
2      1   1         3      1   2
5      4   1         1      0   1
4      1   3         2      2   0
3      2   1         3      2   1
2      1   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      1   1
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      2   0
2      0   2         4      2   2
3      3   0         3      0   3
2      2   0         4      2   2
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      0   4         2      0   2
3      1   2         3      1   2
2      1   1         4      3   1
2      2   0         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      3   0
1      1   0         5      1   4
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 23, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Hi Timo,

You have a lot of wisdom.  A stable home family, and friends is the most important.  I too share the same feelings. Those who know me personally, know that I donate my time and money to build picnic tables and benches to give away anonymously. That is what makes my soul be at peace.

Something terrible happen in my life thirty years ago.  In order for me to keep my sanity I needed to keep my mind busy.  So, I decided to do the "impossible", that is to break the code of roulette.  I did not do it for the money. I did to keep my sanity.  I spent all my time doing so. It was great because it kept me from thinking about what had happened in my life. I did not expect to figure it out, but I did.

Kimo Li

Hello Kimo! Thanks for the nice words!  :) And keep sharing your information; thanks!  :thumbsup:

Cheers!

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 27, 2012, 11:02:03 AM
I guess no one's studying, no feedback, no questions, so I'll stop for now.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: FELIX02721 on January 27, 2012, 11:19:53 AM
Waiting for your book to arrive today.   I have the spreadsheet, but it does mention to read the book first to fully understand the sheet.   I will ask questions as soon as I read the book.   I did notice at one table the other day the 7, 11 and nine came out one after the other, so there might really be something to the idea.   
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 27, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
Hello Felix,

An American roulette player, how refreshing.  I will start to post for the American players as well.  The ball is falling into section one, it's repeating.  You will see it on your spreadsheet and you will begin to see a lot of patterns which you will quickly identify when you are playing live at the casino.  The European players have the luxury of playing online and the spreadsheets readily available.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: FELIX02721 on January 27, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
Actually going to a B/M now with the wife.  This time I will watch more than play to see if I can spot a few of the pattern's that I have seen in previews of your book on line.   Will keep you informed.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 27, 2012, 05:44:44 PM
I guess no one's studying, no feedback, no questions, so I'll stop for now.

Kimo Li
Hi Kimo! Thats not true, I practise about 1-3 hour in day live wheel with Nuke, so absolutely I am studying, no question about that, there is so plenty of information what you have gave to us, and I am thanful for that!  :)

Cheers!

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 27, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Using Bayes (sample 29 actual) Let's see what Low and High looks like

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07       0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06
13    0   25      13   34   12
33   12   11      16   09   24
21   12   22      16   29   06
30   01   19      23   26   27
16   01   17      31   10   13
07   30   05      24   28   33
32   28   31      31   28   01
10   35   20      25   23   10
21   36   03      08   07   01
14   08   23      21   11   31
29   09   05       0   18   30
22   17   36      35   28   24
20   36   21      24   21   08
11   16   22      07   14   16
36   11   22      10   13   31
09   28   28       0   30   10
31   10   30      04   06   06
30   12   02      01   30   30
18   09   28      17   13   21
16   27   29      29   20   15
36   23   35      24   05   32
13   06   21      29   03   30
12   26   06      13   25   35
23   16   10      01   06   32
07   33   32      05   19   26
13   08   35      24   02   20
28   05   35      08   04   05
03   25   13      31   35   11
30   21   26      21   28   32
26   06   20      36   12   25
03   14   06      07   23   28
10   16   22      04   26   35
32   05   16      25   07   32
13   26   33      22   26   09

T = Total
L = Low
H = High

468               597

T      L   H         T      L   H
3      2   1         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      0   3
4      2   2         2      0   2
1      0   1         4      4   0
3      1   2         3      2   1
3      3   0         3      2   1
2      1   1         4      2   2
4      2   2         1      1   0
3      1   2         3      1   2
4      1   3         2      2   0
2      1   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      2   1
5      1   4         1      0   1
3      0   3         3      2   1
2      2   0         4      3   1
3      1   2         2      2   0
4      2   2         1      1   0
1      1   0         5      3   2
2      1   1         4      2   2
4      0   4         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      2   1
1      0   1         5      2   3
1      0   1         5      1   4
4      2   2         2      0   2
3      1   2         3      3   0
4      2   2         2      1   1
1      0   1         4      3   1
2      1   1         4      0   4
4      1   3         2      0   2
1      1   0         5      4   1
4      3   1         2      0   2
2      1   1         3      1   2
5      4   1         1      0   1
4      1   3         2      2   0
3      2   1         3      2   1
2      1   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      1   1
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      2   2         2      2   0
2      0   2         4      2   2
3      3   0         3      0   3
2      2   0         4      2   2
3      2   1         3      1   2
4      0   4         2      0   2
3      1   2         3      1   2
2      1   1         4      3   1
2      2   0         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      3   0
1      1   0         5      1   4

Nobody say nothing, ok I will what I "see".. There is no zero hit 468/597 all those numbers, and reverse hit if same numbers in pies, but not always..Hmm, just my little notice, but that is better than nothing, guess.  :girl_wacko:

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggy on January 28, 2012, 01:31:11 AM
Good observation Timo. Interesting.

iggy
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: cheese on January 28, 2012, 06:32:26 AM
I guess no one's studying, no feedback, no questions, so I'll stop for now.

Kimo Li

They have all given up, its hopeless. Oh well.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 28, 2012, 07:09:08 AM
They have all given up, its hopeless. Oh well.
Or making money, no my problem what you think about Kimos teachings but he is genius. Your bad.


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 28, 2012, 07:12:24 AM
Good observation Timo. Interesting.

iggy
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on January 28, 2012, 08:02:27 AM
And cheese, why you are always saying to some bad to Kimos teachings.. What is your problem seriously? I guess you dont know that yourself, just "must" disagree point of viewes, correct?

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on January 28, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
for you cheese.  :)   learn some idiom

"Empty vessels make the most noise"

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 29, 2012, 03:46:19 AM
Please note:

If the totals for 468 and 597 is less that six, then that means a zero had hit within the six spins.

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07       0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06


T = Total
L = Low
H = High

468               597

T      L   H         T      L   H
3      2   1         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      0   3
4      2   2         2      0   2
1      0   1         4      4   0
3      1   2         3      2   1
3      3   0         3      2   1
2      1   1         4      2   2
4      2   2         1      1   0
3      1   2         3      1   2
4      1   3         2      2   0
2      1   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      2   1
5      1   4         1      0   1
3      0   3         3      2   1
2      2   0         4      3   1
3      1   2         2      2   0
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on January 29, 2012, 05:54:43 AM
Thanks Kimo :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Bayes on January 30, 2012, 04:56:16 AM
Hi Kimo,

Looking at the reviews on amazon, most of the reviewers complain that there is no strategy in your books, so I'm wondering why you didn't include in them the info you've posted in this thread?
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 30, 2012, 12:05:57 PM
Hi Bayes,

The intended audience for my first book was for the intellectual.  Someone who would digest the information and appreciate the challenge of building upon the ideas.  The second book was written because there was a demand for the single zero wheel, which I would have not written if I could have not figured out how it was created. Since my thought process was already geared to think in a certain way, it did not take long to figure out how the single zero wheel was created.

The community colleges here were offering blackjack and poker classes.  The book was written to facilitate this type of venue. I decided to teach my methods in a classroom environment, where interaction and creatively go hand in hand.  Unfortunately, the school decided that my ideas were too radical and not mainstream. They declined. So the rest is history, the book became available to the public.

Had my audience been "just show me the money" the book would have been different.  By the way, there is little money to be made in writing books, unless you have a large intended target audience.  Roulette enthusiasts is a small subculture.


Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carpanta on January 30, 2012, 03:47:12 PM
Hi Bayes,

Quote
The intended audience for my first book was for the intellectual.  Someone who would digest the information and appreciate the challenge of building upon the ideas.

I dont regard myself as an intellectual but I took the challenge on working upon your ideas. I found it very refreshing.
The way you undressed the wheel let me think out of the box. It was a different approach from those i'd already seen, studied and tested.
It didnt take me long to understand your teachings were intended as a tool to develop distinct strategies.
There was not a system to be found in your books. The nature of randonmess will condemn all systems to tank, sooner or later.
Then something much more powerful than a system should be created to try putting up with something changing as roulette outcomes. So matrices were the answer to trap random events in its self behaviour.
Matrices to messure tendencies, rhythms of events produced by ball movements when hitting the target.

Thanks again to Kimo for helping me change my mindset about the game.
Nowadays i can beat roulette when randonm conditions stubbornly, from time to time, dispose events to come in a way i can follow the flow. Knowledge, patience, and MM do let me achieve my sessions score.

Cheers,
Carlos.

 
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 31, 2012, 02:11:20 AM
You are welcome Carlos. 

Thank you for opening your mind to new ideas and validating what I have been trying to teach.  You consider yourself not an intellectual.  I beg to differ.  Your curiosity and tenacity to constantly learn proves otherwise.  More importantly, you were able to create, develop, and implement your own strategies.  You are correct. Matrices have opened the door to give meaning to randomness.  There are many people like you who have done the same. They have spent a lot of time studying, always learning and discovering new things.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Bayes on January 31, 2012, 03:43:45 AM
Thanks for the reply, Kimo.  I agree with Carpanta in that no systems will work consistently - you need to be more flexible than that. 
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggy on January 31, 2012, 08:18:04 PM
Quote
Please note:

If the totals for 468 and 597 is less that six, then that means a zero had hit within the six spins.

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07      0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06


T = Total
L = Low
H = High

468               597

T      L   H         T      L   H
3      2   1         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      0   3
4      2   2         2      0   2
1      0   1         4      4   0
3      1   2         3      2   1
3      3   0         3      2   1
2      1   1         4      2   2
4      2   2         1      1   0
3      1   2         3      1   2
4      1   3         2      2   0
2      1   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      2   1
5      1   4         1      0   1
3      0   3         3      2   1
2      2   0         4      3   1
3      1   2         2      2   0


Hi KImo;

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggy on January 31, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Quote
Please note:

If the totals for 468 and 597 is less that six, then that means a zero had hit within the six spins.

18   08   11      21    0   29
13   15   24      26   10   33
22   27   31      19   06   10
34   16   07      0   18   18
31   30   02      03   18   32
05   17   35      02   03   08
33   23   11      05   24   01
15   06    0      05   32   21
18   22   33      25   34   15
16   15   34      34   19   18
01   35   31      21   28   02
25   30   09      14   28   23
27   13   31      27   25   34
03   14   34      35   36   32
03   31   17      12   12   15
03   27   12       0   30   06


T = Total
L = Low
H = High

468               597

T      L   H         T      L   H
3      2   1         2      1   1
3      3   0         3      0   3
4      2   2         2      0   2
1      0   1         4      4   0
3      1   2         3      2   1
3      3   0         3      2   1
2      1   1         4      2   2
4      2   2         1      1   0
3      1   2         3      1   2
4      1   3         2      2   0
2      1   1         4      1   3
3      0   3         3      2   1
5      1   4         1      0   1
3      0   3         3      2   1
2      2   0         4      3   1
3      1   2         2      2   0

Hi Kimo;

           Would it be possible for you to give us an example of how you would play the above set of spins ?

iggy
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 03, 2012, 04:33:00 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 04, 2012, 06:44:58 AM
Eh, maybe stupid idea but idea anyway.  :scratch_ones_head:

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on February 04, 2012, 02:47:14 PM
Hi Timo,

Your matrix shows how the star numbers move.  It's actually brilliant.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on February 04, 2012, 03:05:11 PM
Hi Iggy,

How I would use the information is by looking at which half of the wheel the ball is favoring.  Then I would select which character is running.  I would bet for six spins and stop when it hits, which means that I would stop if it hits on the first, second, third, etc.

If it misses, I would start the process all over again with consideration of what has already been "invested".  Depending on my target goal, my bets would increase accordingly.

Since I am betting low numbers on one half of the wheel, for example, that would be nine numbers, my total investment would be 54 units.  The question is how much I need to bet on the next string of numbers to make up for the 54 units and how much profit I need to make, whether it is a percentage or targeted amount.

In any case, I know that my numbers will come in.  It's just a matter of how much money I want to make.

The examples of odd, even, low, high which I have posted is to show how numbers are categorized and how it can be tracked.  There are more characteristics to consider before I would make a decision as to which numbers I would bet. 

But to keep things simple, the premise to bet running trends in a set period of six spins allows the roulette player to see patterns develop and understand that randomness have patterns which can be tracked and measured.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 04, 2012, 04:55:48 PM
Hi Timo,

Your matrix shows how the star numbers move.  It's actually brilliant.

Kimo Li
Hello Kimo! Huh, what I can say...I have no words.. I appreciate your comment very ,very much!!!  :)

Best Wishes Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggy on February 04, 2012, 05:40:25 PM
Hi again Kimo;

Thank you for the advice on playing. It is very much appreciated.

A new way to look at things.

iggy
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: iggiv on February 05, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Hi again Kimo;

Thank you for the advice on playing. It is very much appreciated.

A new way to look at things.

iggy

nice to see another person joining  Kimo Li style game. Especially so familiar nick :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on February 05, 2012, 01:42:32 PM
"All numbers are star numbers." - Kimo Li

That sentence is a powerful hint.

Thanks Kimo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 11, 2012, 04:49:32 PM
Where have Kimo gone, huhuu..??

Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on February 11, 2012, 04:53:55 PM
Yes, I was about to ask the same.. xD

Hope you share more of your teachings!

I can't thank you enough!

Best Regards,
PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 11, 2012, 06:08:26 PM
Yes, I was about to ask the same.. xD

Hope you share more of your teachings!

I can't thank you enough!

Best Regards,
PT
I share your feelings too PT about Kimo, I appreciate Kimo works very much and what is most important, he have shared information LOT to this forum. And I hope, of course that Kimo continues but if not, still I am grateful for lessons!  :)

Cheers!

Timo




Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 11, 2012, 06:33:47 PM
I share your feelings too PT about Kimo, I appreciate Kimo works very much and what is most important, he have shared information LOT to this forum. And I hope, of course that Kimo continues but if not, still I am grateful for lessons!  :)

Cheers!

Timo
"I appreciate Kimo works very much and what is most important, he have shared information LOT to this forum"  Without return service, that misses from that sentence what I meant.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on February 12, 2012, 03:07:34 AM
Pokertwist and Timo have you started playing the Kimo li ways till now????
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 12, 2012, 10:56:31 AM
Pokertwist and Timo have you started playing the Kimo li ways till now????
What you think..??? Thats for me insult personally.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on February 13, 2012, 08:57:40 AM
hi Timo, what do you mean?   insult?





What you think..??? Thats for me insult personally.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on February 13, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
hi Timo, what do you mean?   insult?
I meant really playing,not testing mode still. Get my flow.Even with all the spreadsheets,some are not really playing yet.
Truth be told im not playing this way at the moment,fully.But when im at table if I do see Nuke in colour going round and round,I pounce on it..Once in 3 spin/3 win I pounce 600 units,increasing with table money,my friend had the WTF written on his face. :) ball was going nuke black.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Nathan Detroit on February 13, 2012, 01:47:19 PM
Seykid,

Without  proper  money management and DISCIPLINE  one will  never get  ahead  or  build up a  solid bankrol lno matter how good  a system  pretends to be.

Either one is playing to play or one is playing to win . That is  the  players  decision  but  one can never have both.

Nathan Detroit
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on February 13, 2012, 03:21:49 PM
I meant really playing,not testing mode still. Get my flow.Even with all the spreadsheets,some are not really playing yet.
Truth be told im not playing this way at the moment,fully.But when im at table if I do see Nuke in colour going round and round,I pounce on it..Once in 3 spin/3 win I pounce 600 units,increasing with table money,my friend had the WTF written on his face. :) ball was going nuke black.
Ok, I get the point..!  :)


Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on February 14, 2012, 07:00:49 AM
Seykid,

Without  proper  money management and DISCIPLINE  one will  never get  ahead  or  build up a  solid bankrol lno matter how good  a system  pretends to be.

Either one is playing to play or one is playing to win . That is  the  players  decision  but  one can never have both.

Nathan Detroit
:good:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on February 15, 2012, 11:25:54 AM
European wheel players may have a advantage with the single zero.  The American players have a visual advantage over the single zero players.  American wheel players can look at the table layout and quickly determine which side of the wheel the ball is moving, simply by knowing the six pack principles.

Do get me wrong, European players can look at the board and see that the wheel is divided into two hemispheres, starting from the number 32 clockwise, low black numbers and red high numbers and the other half, low red numbers, high black numbers.  However, the American wheel players have more visual connections which they can use to their advantage.

My focus will be on the double zero players.  Although there are two zeros to consider, visually seeing how the ball moves counters the disadvantage of the house edge.  As in any investment, money management, discipline, and risk management are necessary elements of the roulette player.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on February 16, 2012, 07:06:39 PM
Hey FELIX02721,

Haven't heard back from you. I was kinda interested in how things are coming along.

With Best Regards,

PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: FELIX02721 on February 17, 2012, 10:24:15 AM
Actually the wife uses the matrix more than what I do, believe it or not she manages with win quite a few bets with it.  I, myself really haven't gotten the hang of it yet, so I am sticking to bets that I know and keep changing them to confuse the dealer, making a harder time to pin my bets down.  Not all dealers control the spin, but I noticed a few of them actually hit the number if you place a bet for them, it happened twice in the last three times that we went.  I placed a bet of 2 chips for the dealer on 17 for one spin and she hit it, the other time one chip on 29 for the dealer and he hit it right out of the gate.  I'm wondering if the dealer controls the spin more than we believe.  On a side note, I am noticing sections of the wheel the dealer is hitting, which leads to the bowtie, etc, I have to get in more pratice understanding the wheel and table layout bets from it (the wife is getting really good at it).  Going again later this morning, let's see what happens this time when I place a bet for the dealer. 
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on February 17, 2012, 12:28:35 PM
Hi Kimo, thanks for the timely sending of spreadsheets I have purchased.  you even provide updates (although that is not an entitlement).   :good:


I was pondering on the Global Star System and saw greater consistency with PINWHEEL (3 spaces).  Is that a fact? or my eyes are playing tricks on me? (it leads me to thinking that by just using PINWHEEL alone, 3 numbers bets can be placed).  May I request you to clarify / shed some hints on this please?


And by the way, since there are more purchasers/users of your various spreadsheets now.. may I start a thread to discuss among spreadsheet users (eg: I am using GLOBAL STARS and I start a global stars spreadsheet thread) to just discuss among ourselves specifically how we use them?

Please let me know as I would like everyone here who is sincerely keen to learn your ways and concepts to be able to share more specifically.. but yet I would still be concerned about disclosure issues as you have reminded me before.  Okay?

Thank you in advance Kimo!


LP
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on February 17, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
Loungeplayer,

You are quite the observer.  The Global Star system collectively tracks all strategies associated with the Global Star: Helicopter, Numbered Partners, Sum Connectors, Pinwheel, Dominant/Subordinate, black and red stars, odd, even, low, high, and comparing it with the Global Pie Method, as well.

So, the strategies mentioned above tracks 18, 12, and 6 numbers. These are macro analysis to the GSS, Global Star System.  This facilitates the players who like to bet 6 to 18 numbers.

The micro analysis involves studying each strategy separately.  In your case, you have seen how the Pinwheel Strategy isolates numbers to three betting options. All of my strategies, when viewed from the micro perspective, reveals optimum betting choices.  It just so happens that you are only familiar with the Pinwheel at this time.

I hope this answers your question.

Quote
I was pondering on the Global Star System and saw greater consistency with PINWHEEL (3 spaces).  Is that a fact? or my eyes are playing tricks on me? (it leads me to thinking that by just using PINWHEEL alone, 3 numbers bets can be placed).  May I request you to clarify / shed some hints on this please?

I have no problems with you starting a thread to discuss strategies from my spreadsheets, as long as you do not disclose how it is designed.  You may want to clear it with the forum administrators to ensure you are not violating any rules.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on February 18, 2012, 04:34:11 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on February 19, 2012, 09:56:30 PM
Hey Kimo,

I can see the strategies place on a spreadsheet, its great! :thumbsup: Thanks for sharing your ideas.

Best Regards,
PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: PokerTwist1994 on February 19, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
Hey LP,


Please let me know as I would like everyone here who is sincerely keen to learn your ways and concepts to be able to share more specifically.. but yet I would still be concerned about disclosure issues as you have reminded me before.  Okay?

Thank you in advance Kimo!


LP

Like you I too am very interested in conversing about these spreadsheets. I was just wondering if you have admin permission.

Best Regards,
PT
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on February 21, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
After giving much thought about the expression to examine the spreadsheets, I believe this is not the place to discuss them.  Let's just talk about learning the Kimo Li way.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: FELIX02721 on February 22, 2012, 10:11:19 AM
Actually, placed a chip on # 1 for the dealer and so did a few of the other players, she hit the double 00, which is right next door to the 1 (again makes me wonder).  As for playing with the wife that too is a double edge sword if you know what I mean.  Still trying to get the concept of the book, will read it again for the third time.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: FELIX02721 on February 23, 2012, 10:15:08 AM
BTW played yesterday just using arrowheads, did pretty good at it.  On the dealer change, took two spins to figure out where he was landing, and made a few quick hits based on this.  Guess I am starting to enter the understanding stage, will continue to read and learn.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on February 24, 2012, 11:17:33 AM
thanks Kimo.  I have posted at your webpage forum for specific discussions about spreadsheet usage.

you are right, for here at VLS, let's just continue with talking about and learning from you the Kimo Li way.

cheers and thanks 
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on March 01, 2012, 06:31:53 AM
Hi Kimo! Thank you very much for updated Bowtie-version, there is lot to "snack"..  :thumbsup:

Best regards Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on March 01, 2012, 10:23:06 AM
Hi Timo,

I'm glad you like the updated version.  It really shows how the Bowtie Matrix is applied to various strategies. Yep, there's a lot to "snack" on.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on March 04, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Especially the star position combinations and betting selections in your updated bow-tie spreadsheet.
it's good stuff.  a map that is clearer and clearer.

thanks Kimo :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: FELIX02721 on March 16, 2012, 06:55:49 AM
OOOXXX  :dance1:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on April 02, 2012, 05:03:15 AM
It is quite on the front line  :whistle:,i guess the guys are busy winning  :yahoo:Why not,with Kimo Info you are at an advantge. :clapping:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on April 07, 2012, 11:00:00 AM
It is quite on the front line  :whistle:,I guess the guys are busy winning  :yahoo:Why not,with Kimo Info you are at an advantge. :clapping:
Hi! Lets say very advantage!  :thumbsup:

Regards Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on April 09, 2012, 05:38:10 AM
That is to say,you are doing very well Timo.Or you still studying??
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on April 09, 2012, 12:15:36 PM
That is to say,you are doing very well Timo.Or you still studying??
Jep, but I dont see it bad thing at all, going forward  :)

Regards Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on April 28, 2012, 08:42:20 AM
hi Kimo, over the past one week, I focused on looking at only your nuke quads (matrix 32)

very glad and also full of respect for this invention of yours.

The matrix is really a masterpiece. Thank you very much Kimo.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: seykid29 on May 01, 2012, 02:14:38 AM
LP care to share your insights?
Seykid.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on May 04, 2012, 05:11:23 PM
Hi! It would be great if LP can share thoughts to us, of course!  :)

Regards Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on May 04, 2012, 09:08:30 PM
Hi! It would be great if LP can share thoughts to us, of course!  :)

Regards Timo
I think ball is favoring somekind of Nuke, right?  :) Or Quad... ;)

Regards Timo
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Timo on May 04, 2012, 09:25:38 PM
I think ball is favoring somekind of Nuke, right?  :) Or Quad... ;)

Regards Timo
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Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on October 14, 2012, 12:12:08 AM
The Matrix is a map, a tool to help you navigate.  Along the way, while navigating, you will see road signs.  Understanding the ball movements, will ENABLE you to read the road signs.

Master the Matrix and master the ball movements taught in Kimo's materials, and you will be nearer to the goldmine.  :-)

Happy Weekend to all Roulette lovers.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on October 25, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
In the movie, Men in Black, the scene where all of the experts are taking a test and Will Smith pulls the table towards his seat to use it to fill in his answers, that is an example of someone who gets it, one who understands sophisticated simplicity.

Not everyone will understand GPM. It's not for the masses. The only way you will know, is when the light comes on, or for a few, when it comes naturally.  For those who don't get, you will never get it. I'm sorry for that, maybe it's a genetic thing. For those who do, "keep on, truck'in".

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Lukester2010 on November 10, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
Hi there Kimo and Loungeplayer

I have been studying the kimo li for some time (few months) and i am doing not to badly at the moment (6-9 numbers). The issue i have is the progression, and time it sometimes takes to get a hit. Now what i need to know is do you need to wait for a direct sequence to appear 468, 597, 489 etc before betting or does it not matter how it appears 579 864, etc and is this the same for the stars as well ?

Inbox me if you do not wish to discuss this on here

Many thanks
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: loungeplayer on November 15, 2012, 12:41:29 PM
hi Lukester2010, actually I don't really understand your question.

Keep going and learning  :-)  you will get nearer and nearer to the key.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Lukester2010 on November 18, 2012, 10:59:10 AM
Hi loungeplayer,

Can i ask what kimo li systems do you use (nuke, hemi,etc) and do you flat bet, or use progression ?
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: marvin on December 16, 2012, 02:44:44 PM
my rapid roulette play just few seconds ago using kimo li concept

circle red are winning numbers

stopped at 29 due to dealer change
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: marvin on December 22, 2012, 07:56:50 AM
current play

i have to stop and change machine as it suddenly machine error
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: marvin on December 22, 2012, 08:49:12 AM
ofcrse i also have losses :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: jbudd32 on January 27, 2013, 07:50:29 AM
Amazing read, and amazing thread. I have been trying to understand this for a few years, i have the book, and was really like what the hell, i put the book down for quite some time, and recently i have picked it back up, read this post and something has just CLICKED.....

I now can see the light, im understanding this on a whole new level now and obviously still learning, but Wow, i now feel confident in knowing that my bets are more successful, and i am predicting correctly.

Thank you Kimo Li.



Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: marvin on February 12, 2013, 03:53:25 PM
its chinese new year!!!  i was trying my luck last night :yahoo:
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: mohitomish on June 12, 2013, 05:30:55 AM
ofcrse I also have losses :)


As i am seeing ur tracking the pies n how the ball is moving  can u tell y have marked certain no in red ? I am a newbie n have just started studying the book

thank you
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: marvin on June 13, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
circled numbers are hits with bets.
slashed numbers are missed bets simply because of  "no more bets!" didnt bet in time.
deciding what to bet will take probably 15-20secs while placing bet needs another 15-20sec depends if you already memorize the pies(obviously i didn't) alfa/rapid roulette will only give you 15sec to bet.

so playing on a table is more preferable since you can ask the dealer to wait for you until you finished placing your bets.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Pan Pan on October 20, 2013, 09:13:44 AM
Hi all,

Here is my travel story in Kimo Li's materials.

I start studying his work some months ago. Immediately I realise that his work is a completely different approach from what I have read so far for the roulette.

I bought his book (for the European roulette) and I follow every step of his recommendations. Memorised the Pies, the Stars and then I bought one of his spreadsheets. The spreadsheet helped me to find my way on the potential bets.

For me the key is to find the frequency of the roulette events and convert them into wagers.

Even as a newbie in Kimo Li's work I have seen progress in my playing. My winning rate touch often the 75% in one hour sessions.

Of course I still have some problems with the progression which I use (sometimes Guetting, sometimes Hollandish) but I am sure as every day I am going from deep to deeper in Kimo Li's work, I will find solutions.

So, as there are so many stuff to share about Master's work lets give to this topic life again...

Happy travel to all of you in Kimo Li's work
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Azim on December 30, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on January 12, 2015, 01:59:15 PM
It's been years since I posted. I noticed many people visit this section everyday. Thanks for learning.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: A3on47 on January 16, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
It's been years since I posted. I noticed many people visit this section everyday. Thanks for learning.

Kimo Li

Welcome back Kimo Li
Nice to see you here again :)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on June 18, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
I want to share a spreadsheet that has been sent to privileged individuals. Now to this forum, as well as others.
This spreadsheet tracks the layout characteristics: red, black, odd, even, high, low, dozens, columns, streets, double streets, triple streets, etc.
For beginners and professionals.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on June 23, 2015, 02:35:05 PM
Everything posted about Kimo Li principles and methods are for recreational purpose only.
This is my next to last post.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 23, 2015, 05:45:18 PM
Please raise your hands  if you have ever won  at an B & M casino  with Kimo Li `s   principles ..  I am also very well familiar with reviews about his book.  I cannot easily be fooled.




ND



Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on June 25, 2015, 01:02:37 AM
ND,

Of all the posters, I am surprised you joined that group. Well, at least I know where you stand.

Kimo Li

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 25, 2015, 04:32:05 PM
What is so unusual  about asking a question ?
   a
Not one single reply  to date , 7/21/ 2015, by any winner but a complaint by Kimo even asking  such a question. Makes one wonder.





ND
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Lucky9 on February 13, 2016, 07:50:51 PM
Please raise your hands  if you have ever won  at an B & M casino  with Kimo Li `s   principles ..  I am also very well familiar with reviews about his book.  I cannot easily be fooled.
ND

I have.  I've lost, too. 

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Lucky9 on February 14, 2016, 06:36:35 PM
"Sancta simplicitas"
False start

Fool me once. Fool me twice.
I wasted A LOT of time and money on these so-called 'profitable' strategies.  I'm sure I won't be the last sucker, either.  Stick to the basics, there's nothing here as mentioned by ND. 
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Plam on February 15, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
My english is Google.


Dear Lucky9,
My reply was not intended to offend you,sorry if so you understand it.
I will motivate later.

Successful day



Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Nathan Detroit on February 15, 2016, 03:03:40 PM
At another forum I was asked thie question about my winning method.:


One more question, are you using some recovery phase when you reach your loss limit 25-30%?<<<<<<<<

REPLY:

A recovery phase  does not exist in my MM system.  Even if I reach  the loss limit of 25 %  I  can still  leave the table a winner. Very simple   explanation I Never ever replay any net winnings but I am mandated   by my MM method to leave the table upon reaching the loss limit.


Simple  :   $ 85   net winnings  on a separate stack  less $ 60 loss limit.Who is the winner ? I or the casino ?

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on July 20, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
People of this generation are lazy. Instant gratification appears to be the driving force behind self satisfaction. I would go on to further say that when it comes to roulette players who seek a strategy that will win without effort, are the same players who cannot remember most phone numbers on their cell phone.

You see, if anyone wants to be successful in roulette, they need to know the landscape of the wheel. Their brain needs to know some kind of reference point in order to calculate predictions. A computer can provide many options; however, have you ever tried to using your cell phone at the table, even if you are only using it to check messages. The pit boss gets right into your face, “Sir, no phones at the table.”

Why is that? The reason is because the casinos know that a computer can make instant calculations and provide optimum predictions for a favorable win. You have a computer. It’s your brain. Like I said, people of this generation are lazy and are quick criticize without having done any research.

You want to be a roulette player? Start by using your computer and memorize the numbers on the roulette wheel so that you have some sense of direction. You will be surprise what your brain can do. Keep in mind that is only the beginning. Lazy minds need not apply.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 21, 2016, 11:03:36 AM
I agree  with Kimo to make use of the computer BETWEEN  your ears. Ditto for knowing he precise location of each number  on the wheel .


ND.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on March 21, 2017, 06:40:50 PM
Something to ponder posted on my website.

I had sat down on a 4 - 8 limit poker game. I am in seat 9. To my right, seat 8 is an aggressive player, meaning he raises a lot. He will be my fish today. Seats 1, 2, 3 are rocks, meaning they play only premium hands, pocket aces, kings, queens,etc. I will be able to bluff them on certain hands, meaning the flop did not hit their hands.

Seat 4 and 7 are amateurs, meaning unpredictable. I will only play premium hands when I am in a hand with them. Seat 5, he is like me. He knows what he is doing. So I will respect his play, unless he tries to challenge me. Then, I will make an effort to put him in check by trapping him. Seat 6 is an unknown, stay out his way.

It is important to size up the table before one begins to pursue playing a poker game. The same holds true when playing roulette. I treat roulette like a poker game. I study the current trends and treat each trend like a poker player. When the trend changes, I contribute that to a player leaving and a new player sitting down.

Depending on the strategy of choice, based on what is trending, I can accumulate a mass amount of money in a short period of time with roulette. However, poker takes time because the pace is much slower than roulette. The principles are the same.

In four hours, playing poker I managed to make a profit of $410.00

Kimo Li

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on March 13, 2018, 02:32:46 PM
It's been almost a year since my last post.

Something to ponder:

Roulette cannot be beaten by pure mathematics. Ask the math fanatics. Try to prove them wrong. They will torture you with proven facts. Instead, roulette can be conquered by the world of probability, data analytics, and significant statistics.  It's not a pure science, not by a long shot. However, the approach will surprisingly produce consistent results, much like today's weather predictions: probability, data analytics, and significant statistics.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Carlitox900 on March 30, 2018, 04:09:40 PM
Good evening, i'm really happy for explain kimo li strategies. I bought kimo li European Roulette many years ago. These strategies are very good and very good statistics for number patterns. But i don't understand many things. For the prediction how many spins ,or boule, are necessary for the attack? how did you recognize the way to follow to play these strategies? thanks to Kimo and the other players and scholar.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on March 04, 2019, 02:18:32 PM
Happy New Year everyone. Another year has passed since I had posted on this thread. I see there is a healthy group of roulette players still interested in the Kimo Li Way. There are a lot of hidden treasures here. I hope you find them. If you are on the fence about playing the Kimo Li Way, I can help you with your journey. Talk to you again in March 2020.

Kimo Li
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: MountainMan on August 10, 2019, 05:34:16 AM
TY Kimo for all ur info/input. I'll keep reading studying.
Catch you this coming march 2020.
 8)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: MountainMan on August 13, 2019, 02:31:41 AM
LI SENSEI!!! COME BACK PLEASE!!!
I like that....... 8)
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on November 04, 2019, 02:47:51 PM
To learn more, go to kimoliroulette dot com
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Rocky on January 06, 2020, 06:25:18 AM
Greetings Kimi Li

I studied your way maybe 12,14
 years ago. You opened my mind to a different approach.
Especially targeting sectors. I have spent 100,000,s of hours on roulette strategies over the years and eventually you have to find the one that personally works for the individual.
I found one that targets individual numbers based on their own unique frequencies. This took close to 20 years, is very unique and took a concentrated effort throughout. Reading everything I could, including some of your ideas, expands the mind on the journey.
Great to see you pop up Kimi every now and then, just like myself.

Wishing you continued success in your endeavors Kimo

All the Best

Rocky
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on March 17, 2020, 03:40:07 PM
Greetings everyone,

It's March 17, 2020. A whole year has past again. Happy Saint Patrick's Day. GPM followers are growing all over the world. Our latest member is from Germany. I wish all a great year, despite the Covid-19 virus issue. Remember family first.
Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: Kimo Li on April 09, 2021, 12:56:59 PM
Another year has passed and what a year, enough said.

Learning the Kimo Li way

Title: Re: Learning the Kimo Li way.
Post by: klw on April 09, 2021, 05:34:09 PM
Always look forward to the annual Kimo Li post. At least we know you are alive. Good health to you.