Hi everyone,
This is my first post here. Please forgive me if this topic has been covered, but I have done a decent search (I think) and can't find any info so far.
Re: Auto Roulette Wheel - Called Roulette King - Have found 2 in Sydney so far.
I am in Sydney and often play an auto wheel called Roulette King (by Sigma Gaming) which is an auto wheel (not video) which has I think 12 seat terminals around it. Min bet is $1 Max is $100.
As you can bet from $1 (even on the outside bets)
I would really like to know if anyone knows these machines and can tell me if they are rigged - for example if their decisions are truely random and their payouts are in line with what is at the casino (97. 5% ?) instead of say 85% like a poker machine.
I have read some other forum posts here and there and some mention some other wheels called Alfastreet Automated Roulette machines and some others which are made in Slovenia or some Eastern Euro Country.
The Sigma Roulette King as far as I know is from Singapore (could be wrong) and was or is distributed by Global Gaming (in Australia)
I have played these at 2 different places in Sydney so far (would like to know if there are any more in Sydney).
But really want to know if they are just as fair (or infair) as a real casino wheel.
Thanks so much and again sorry of this is going over old ground
Best regards to all
Rich
Early last year I was convinced that auto wheels were rigged. But its not the case.
I mean, just because its an auto wheel, its no different from any other roulette wheel - So why would it be rigged? What, because the ball is air blown?
Most importantly, casinos DONT need to rig their roulette wheels.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on December 09, 2011, 02:48:40 PMSo why would it be rigged? What, because the ball is air blown?
One factor in the game is the tendency of dealers (hidden under the table) to hyperventilate. Learning to rig the game effectively means them being careful when and how hard to blow.
Quote from: Ulysses on December 09, 2011, 04:42:44 PM
One factor in the game is the tendency of dealers (hidden under the table) to hyperventilate. Learning to rig the game effectively means them being careful when and how hard to blow.
Negative.
Thanks ReDsQuaD,
Some people were saying that with some of those other machines I mentioned that they had magnets and also that the wheel speed would vary, oh and also that the numbers slots could blow air to possibly stop the ball from landing in a particular number on occasion.
These wheels I have mentioned seem to have a very constant wheel speed (or so as far as I can see).
I was always under the belief that these wheels were random and as fair as a real wheel until I read in various places about these other wheels and what people have been saying.
Thanks a bunch for your reply
Wow that would be great fun to see dealers blowing the ball. . . . . . . . . . . . . I guess if their hands were busy doin somethin else. . . . . . . . . . . . that'd make sense yeah?
:o
Those dealers are NEVER spotted below the wheel when the players are winning . What a bunch of sore losers. Blamng their stupid play on the casinos. :diablo:
BEAM ME UP !!!
The wheels are fair, the payouts are the same. The
payouts should be listed on another screen on the
terminal. The wheel speeds vary to throw off VB
players. They're designed to spin the maximum
amount per hour, to suck your wallets dry in record
time. If you don't have a winning system, my advice
is to avoid them.
Cool,
thanks Cheese.
As long as they are random and fair (or as unfair) as a real casino wheel, then I am happy with that.
Thanks
Planettelex - Could you tell me the venues that have these Roulette King wheels please. Air ball roulette does vary the wheel speed. The percentage difference can be very small and difficult to assess with the naked eye. I also suspect that it can also"put the brakes on" to achieve a zone hit?
A few percent may only be 1 or 2 wheel pockets. Where they do vary things greater is with the ball speed. More air or less air = faster or slower ball. A close look at many air ball machines will reveal they have an electronic eye that tracks the ball speed.
While the computer may not be able to manipulate the ball to an exact pocket, I'm certain it can ZONE the ball to minimise the payouts particularly with multiple players at the table. Observing the drop zone & the number of ball rotations & the number of wheel rotations should then give you the clue as to what's happening. Not an easy task unless you had some sort of tracking device? Maybe it has a group of patterns? Most likely there would be many combinations of random speeds to avoid successful zone picks. Besides once the bet time expires it's computer program surely computes the zone of least payment and only then does the spin start.
Remember computers can work in nano seconds these days. The RNG video display,as mentioned often by others, is only window dressing. The spin results have already been determined. Many players play PC RNG at high speed by switching off the video display. Thus the "BOTS", many can be seen on you tube.
The $1 - $100 maximum limit is typical of most clubs & is particularly restictive for multiple inside bets. 10 inside bets @ $10 = the maximum outlay for that spin. Besides low minimum/maximum bet ratios make it easier for the RNG or air ball system to wipe you out. For me this is a big disinsentive not to play them. It was all to do with politics, big business and anti-gambling groups pressures. Legislation ensured that the clubs were seen to not be competing too much with the casino. The pubs were involved too as they also wanted their slice of the pie with their pokies/slots.
The casino has the same type of Vegas Star machines but their limit is $1 - $500. A huge progression difference.
Clubs out West here, Wentworthville Leagues, Seven Hills RSL, Blacktown Workers & probably many other clubs operate Vegas Star RNG video roulette . AKA Poker/slot machine roulette. They all have the $1 - $100 bet range.
Higher $$$$ bets require a trip in to The Star Casino Sydney Australia. A 2nd Casino is long overdue somewhere out in here in the west. Travelling in to the city is a big pain in the backside.
Cheers Hugh
Quote from: cheese on December 09, 2011, 08:28:57 PM
The wheels are fair, the payouts are the same. The
payouts should be listed on another screen on the
terminal. The wheel speeds vary to throw off VB
players. They're designed to spin the maximum
amount per hour, to suck your wallets dry in record
time. If you don't have a winning system, my advice
is to avoid them.
This is not a major problem, it can be dealt with quite easily.
Some camegh's slingshots, the rotor speed always stays the same.
Ausguy,...Hugh,
Thanks so much for replying to this thread, I was really hoping that you would from reading some other thread posts from you.
I have played these Roulette King (sling shots or air balls, not sure exactly) at Wests leagues Club at ashfield and Cabramatta Leagues (or is it RSL?, can't remeber if it was a leagues club or RSL club was a few years ago).
Look, the vegas star video ones I think you may as well play RNG online, its all the same, I reckon they are just like a pokie really.
I just want to know if these Roulette Kings are the same random as a real wheel.
I haven't been there for awhile (like almost 6 months) but I'm planning on going to Wests Leagues tomorrow arvo (the 20th Dec,....ooops just realised its today now)
I haven't been able to tell if they vary the speeds, etc. But I'm going to have a real good look at it when I'm there this arvo.
Thanks again for replying
Rich
According to SHUFFLEMASTER the manufacturer of those VEGAS STAR video roulette outlets they are classified as slot machines .
Nathan Detroit
the numbers seem to come out you get number three the next number 17. and the next number three. this happens a lot. anybody else noticed this.
Pins,
To check this out would be quite a round trip between New York , USA and Sydney , AUS . I`ll take your word for it . :agree:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
HEY Rich I sent you a PM via Roulette forum. As I've already said, if these air ball machines didn't have ball tracking technology then they might be closer to live wheels randomness? You would need some high tech high speed cameras & linked computer timing to assess the operation of everything including the drop pathway of the ball into a pocket. Getting access to the wheels & the camera gear would be virtually Mission Impossible.
Then the same thing with a live wheel for a direct comparison but then again the wheels aren't the same dimensions. It would be interesting to see the ball behaviour in super slow motion. Some of the air ball drops on Smart Live air ball seem to defy normal physics? Especially with the ball sometimes doing a U turn and/or dropping into a pocket then migrating back out again to 1 or 2 pockets away or further. It happens in a fraction of a second so it's difficult to be sure if it is happening via the human eye, especially after a few hours of play & tiredness?
I suppose the bottom line tells the story,you need to be winning more often than losing whatever wheel you on. Side by side comparison testing of air ball spins & live wheel spins with the same system may be worthwhile?
Also for these machines to work profitably at any gambling venue they would have a margin % adjustibility. RNG & the pokies have it. Programmed results. Airball for sure too, that's what the inbuilt trackings all about.
Cheers Hugh.
G'day,
If Your system covered EVERY possible combination of the EV's over ANY & or EVERY 50 decisions ending in a profit,
this would overcome the airball dilemma, of cause because of table Min / Max's & speed of play it would be better to be playing Mini Baccarat at The Star!!
Glenn.
I love Baccarat Glenn,
Whats the min bet at mini baccarat?
Is it real or video?
Which nights or days are you usually dealing?
G'day planettelex,
Quote from: planettelex on December 21, 2011, 11:04:31 AM
Whats the min bet at mini baccarat? $100 - $50,000 spread
Is it real or video? Real
Which nights or days are you usually dealing? Not dealing, I should be back playing in Late Feb / March.
Glenn.
Quote from: Ulysses on December 09, 2011, 04:42:44 PM
One factor in the game is the tendency of dealers (hidden under the table) to hyperventilate. Learning to rig the game effectively means them being careful when and how hard to blow.
Why didn't anyone acknowledge the humour here? This is a great piece of written comedy, so dry and understated, and masterfully deadpan.
Before I read this, I was feeling quite sombre, and intensely focused on the next win, much like a Great White, focused on the next kill, slowly approaching the dancing shadows in the shallows... But since reading this, I'm in a very happy mood.
Allow me to address this issue and pay dues (so to speak):
Ulysses, that's frickN' hilarious, I keep on chuckling to myself over and over. My friends dig it too.
C'mon, Lighten up punters... If that's at all possible ... Perhaps I'm the pariah and can't relate because I'm not a hardcore gambler (?)