If anything does work, it doesn't work consistent. Is there a secret to this?
Hi crackers.
Nothing, I repeat NOTHING works consistantly.
If the holy grail is guaranteed profit every session then it doesn't exist.
Even wheel clockers, bias spotters and VB players must accept their quota of lost sessions.
The truth is plain and simple; it's what Steve always says. You must increase the accuracy of your predictions. It's the only way to win.
Using or challenging randomness to increase your accuracy is one way to go about it. Find what works for you and practice it thoroughly. Then fine tune it as best you can over a long period. The fine tuning is learning or knowing when your method is working well, and when it's not. You also need to decide when enough is enough. Won enough, lost enough, had enough.
Quote from: crackers on February 20, 2012, 10:08:56 PM
If anything does work, it doesn't work consistent. Is there a secret to this?
Get together with cheese, you'll make a great team!
Curiosly Crackers made the point:
Has anyone made randomness work for them?
Answer:
Me (and at least two others i know)
Quote from: Bayes on February 21, 2012, 06:23:51 AM
Get together with cheese, you'll make a great team!
Strictly speaking, cheese should get together with crackers. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Carpanta on February 21, 2012, 07:05:32 AM
Curiosly Crackers made the point:
Has anyone made randomness work for them?
Answer:
Me (and at least two others I know)
Curiously I have the same story.
Answer:
Me (and at least two others I know)...myself, and I. :haha:
Quote from: bombus on February 21, 2012, 09:29:38 AM
Curiously I have the same story.
Answer:
Me (and at least two others I know)...myself, and I. :haha:
Lol Good to know im not alone. It seems we share same insanity.
Is there an inside joke going on here? Are some of you saying it does not work, that is randomness does not work?
QuoteIs there an inside joke going on here?
Slightly, there's a member called cheese who speaks against everything, so they are playing on the cheese and crackers snacks lol.
Quotethat is randomness does not work?
Randomness definatly works.
Superman
Quotecheese and crackers snacks lol [/quot]
Oh, I get it. Let's have some cheese and crackers with that whine.
My conclusion after reading and practice is that there is a basic value to this. "Reading Randomnes" is nothing more than a syntactic form of a kind of mnemonic device that allows you the ability to discover "winning streaks." Apparently many think that it's about "prediction" but that would be impossible. It's about taking advantage of a temporary condition, a win streak. There's also discussion about three spins back or less. That would be interesting to read more about. Can't find much about that. Are there any good books or Authors that write about this?
Quote from: crackers on March 19, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
It's about taking advantage of a temporary condition, a win streak.
Its about making win streaks last as
long as possible. Its about making
your goal and getting out. Looking
like you're lucky is never a bad thing.
There are no books or authors that
write about this. You're on your own.
Scary, huh.
google. roulette streaks.
Quote from: crackers on March 19, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
"Reading Randomnes" is nothing more than a syntactic form of a kind of mnemonic device
Syntactic means 'words strung together'. Mnemonic device
is a learning technique that aids memory. So reading random
are just words that refer to a technique for memorizing.
Memorizing what, exactly.
Cheese and Crackers, what an auspicious moment.
syntactic: " Of, relating to, or conforming to the rules of syntax." - look it up.
" kind of mnemonic device" does not mean mnemonic device.
Seeing a characteristic in a chart of spins is a form of recollections. The chart is the memory device.
Quote from: crackers on March 21, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
Seeing a characteristic in a chart of spins is a form of recollections. The chart is the memory device.
Seeing a characteristic in past spins. What characteristic?
Quote from: cheese on March 21, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
Seeing a characteristic in past spins. What characteristic?
What an odd question. Why don't you make an educated guess?
crackers = Gizmo :rtfm: :rtfm: :rtfm: :rtfm:
Quote from: cheese on March 21, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
Seeing a characteristic in past spins. What characteristic?
These characteristics;20,32,23,14 past spins,then after say 10 spins
you notice in your spreadsheet present spins;14,15,23.....and wouldn't
you bet on sector 31/33.....I would anyhow,and this is evident example
of relation past/present spins.
Quote from: xman1970 on March 21, 2012, 03:19:38 PM
crackers = Gizmo :rtfm: :rtfm: :rtfm: :rtfm:
Wow. What an ego. I've read all that's here regarding this topic. You make that process tedious . If I've learned anything from this forum it's that obsessions are equal to the ignorance of their own affliction.
Quote from: crackers on March 21, 2012, 03:59:51 PM
Wow. What an ego. I've read all that's here regarding this topic. You make that process tedious . If I've learned anything from this forum it's that obsessions are equal to the ignorance of their own affliction.
Whatever you say Giz.......
Remember ignorance is bliss :good:
BTW most normal people would say "No I'm not Gizmo...." :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:
Quote from: xman1970 on March 21, 2012, 04:03:19 PM
BTW most normal people would say "No I'm not Gizmo...." :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:
I made the correct choice. I read everything first before asking questions. I knew this would happen. That's why I chose the name crackers. I doubt that anything more will be written to this topic. I'll get my answers somewhere else.
Quote from: crackers on March 21, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
I made the correct choice. I read everything first before asking questions. I knew this would happen. That's why I chose the name crackers. I doubt that anything more will be written to this topic. I'll get my answers somewhere else.
You knew this would happen ?? WoW Another Gizmo trait........
Ok Crackers I will mention it no more on this thread. That way your will get your answers right ? ;)
LOL! Of course its Gizmo, I knew as soon as he
started using big words to fool everybody. He
always breaks under scrutiny, thats why I was
toying with him. He can never explain what he
means because what he says never means
anything. Its always a baloneyfest.
Back when we were exchanging emails, he'd
send me these long messages that never made
any sense, full of words like 'syntatic' and 'mnemonic'
and when I asked for explanations I'd get back
another page on nonsense. He was gaming me,
so I let him go on and on for the longest time. I
read about 5% of the crap he sent me, if that much.
Iggiv, did you see this attack?
Quote from: cheese on March 21, 2012, 09:26:48 PM
LOL! Of course its Gizmo, I knew as soon as he
started using big words to fool everybody. He
always breaks under scrutiny, thats why I was
toying with him. He can never explain what he
means because what he says never means
anything. Its always a baloneyfest.
Back when we were exchanging emails, he'd
send me these long messages that never made
any sense, full of words like 'syntatic' and 'mnemonic'
and when I asked for explanations I'd get back
another page on nonsense. He was gaming me,
so I let him go on and on for the longest time. I
read about 5% of the crap he sent me, if that much.
these are roulette method wars. I can't see this as a desire to insult Gizmo, it is just a long story of Cheese criticizing his methods. Well, i am not taking sides here, but i know that many things Gizmotron tried, failed.
i don't think this is about Gizmo personality.
Yes, sounds harsh. But Gizmo's methods really failed so far. Never showed consisting winning. That's a bitter truth, sorry.
Iggiv - You know that I have been very open and sharing at the other CC website. In the last month I've only had to deal with one pest, MauiSunset. Cheese, aka Spike hates me. He claims that he coined the phrase "reading randomness." There's one huge glaring problem with that though. He can't explain any of it. So I'm going to go back to the cc site and really explain everything.
Here's where cheese dodges this issue and delivers another attack.
Crackers, if u say that Cheese did not show anything that is working so far (except small hints which mostly can't be used) then i would agree with u.
but when u say "He is a poser, he does not play roulette, just comes here to attack people", i would not agree with u.
this is a difference between criticizing roulette methods and personal behaviour. I just asked u as many other people to be careful with it, i did not threat u or something like that, and i did not give u any warnings. I did not see u really insulting someone hard, but when u start touching personalities, it may get very easy into fight which i wanna prevent, that's all.
this all is just a friendly talk, no more than that :)
i just want this forum to stay it that way
Quote from: crackers on March 25, 2012, 04:04:02 PM
Iggiv - You know that I have been very open and sharing at the other CC website. In the last month I've only had to deal with one pest, MauiSunset. Cheese, aka Spike hates me. He claims that he coined the phrase "reading randomness." There's one huge glaring problem with that though. He can't explain any of it. So I'm going to go back to the cc site and really explain everything.
Here's where cheese dodges this issue and delivers another attack.
Cheese attacks ideas. I have no problems with this. Attack his ideas as well. Try to be careful with words like "hate" and so on. We all are friendly people here, and Cheese is not your personal enemy. He just hates some roulette stuff, that's true. But i don't think he hates u or Gizmo.
Iggiv, I am gizmotron. It's no surprise. Spike decided to discredit me after I took on ten students more than a year ago. His big claim to fame is playing a game within the game.. That has to be an illusion that he thinks has a mathematical advantage. He claims he can force an advantage or something impossible. But that's ok too. He claims a 72% win rate on all EC FLAT BETS. That's his big secret. Anyone that knows him knows that this is his thing. So he hides behind never explaining anything.
well, let's stop it right there then. The fact is that your methods never showed any consistent winning so far. And that's about it. I don't wanna talk about your students though i did talk to some of them. If there was something positive to tell about your methods i would be the first to have pleasure doin it.
i am also not very happy why would u have to come here under different nicknames to argue with Cheese.
anyway, this all looks like waist of time to me.
Fine with me too. As gizmotron I banned myself. I changed my email to a lost destination then I changed my access login key. I was done with all the attacks. So when I lost my ability to log in it worked. So you want to see my secret perhaps? You think you know it. I have a reason for sharing how to play trends. Even if I teach you you most likely won't have the personal discipline to exicute the strategy. For that single reason it will be safe to share the secrets.
crackers
Don't know you; don't know your previous name or names....but...
"For that single reason it will be safe to share the secrets."
I would love to share in your secrets.
TwoCat
Quote from: iggiv on March 25, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
these are roulette method wars. I can't see this as a desire to insult Gizmo, it is just a long story of Cheese criticizing his methods. Well, I am not taking sides here, but I know that many things Gizmotron tried, failed.
I don't think this is about Gizmo personality.
Yes, sounds harsh. But Gizmo's methods really failed so far. Never showed consisting winning. That's a bitter truth, sorry.
Hmm how can you be so sure? You are sure as hell that Cheese wins. What proof did cheese show you that gizmo didn't?
u know what i want. I want this forum to be friendly place. No personal attacks. Attack Cheese' ideas as much as u want. But let's not attack personalities (and that's what i am asking again since u came here!). Let's not call names. Let's not put our noses into what other people do out of the forum. Let's see what ideas are brought here and how they are working.
. That's what i did.
i really feel like waist of time in those weird discussions.
we are not in the court here, and i don't wanna talk too much about it. Nuff said.
thanx for understanding.
Period.
Quote from: iggiv on March 25, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
u know what I want. I want this forum to be friendly place. No personal attacks. Attack Cheese' ideas as much as u want. But let's not attack personalities (and that's what I am asking again since u came here!). Let's not call names. Let's not put our noses into what other people do out of the forum. Let's see what ideas are brought here and how they are working.
. That's what I did.
I really feel like waist of time in those weird discussions.
we are not in the court here, and I don't wanna talk too much about it. Nuff said.
thanx for understanding.
Period.
I asked a simple question, you couldn't answer it.
read the red line. Gizmo's ideas simply did not work. that's all. Now spare me of anything else.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 25, 2012, 06:00:25 PM
I would love to share in your secrets.
TwoCat
Sam, it's me gizmotron. I'm going to teach how to use randomness to attack weaknesses in the game of roulette. BTW- Spike is cheese. hence cheese & crackers. Some old timers get it.
Quote from: iggiv on March 25, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
read the red line. Gizmo's ideas simply did not work. that's all. Now spare me of anything else.
Yes i read the red line already and that is not an answer, it's an opinion. I pacificly asked what PROOF cheese has provided that Gizmo hasn't. I do not want to hear your opinion, facts would be nice, like an actual topic, even though i know it does not exist.
I don't care if u want to hear my opinion or not, I told everybody I (as mod) don't want this forum to become a place of personal attacks to each other, and I don't care what people do or don't outside this forum. Cheese attacked Gizmo's ideas, Cracks (who is Gizmo) attacked Cheese back personally calling him poser and telling about him things what he does out of this forum. That's what I did not like. I explained normally.
now u r not a judge or prosecutor to demand any facts here. And I am not a crime suspect to give them to u.
And this would be already forgotten if not u with your weird ridiculous demands. And u would have to put up with my opinion on this for obvious reasons. And my opinion is that you start trolling now which is not encouraged in this forum.
Quote from: iggiv on March 25, 2012, 04:27:53 PM
well, let's stop it right there then. The fact is that your methods never showed any consistent winning so far. And that's about it. I don't wanna talk about your students though I did talk to some of them. If there was something positive to tell about your methods I would be the first to have pleasure doing.
Now I am curious. I never shared much openly about my (secrets). I openly discussed sytems that I programmed and tested. To this date all mechanically ordered betting systems have all failed. I shared my work in the interest of discussion. Have you ever heard about gamblers glen? This discussion has been going on for years.
Quote from: iggiv on March 25, 2012, 08:14:43 PM
I don't care if u want to hear my opinion or not, I told everybody I (as mod) don't want this forum to become a place of personal attacks to each other, and I don't care what people do or don't outside this forum. Cheese attacked Gizmo's ideas, Cracks (who is Gizmo) attacked Cheese back personally calling him poser and telling about him things what he does out of this forum. That's what I did not like. I explained normally.
now u r not a judge or prosecutor to demand any facts here. And I am not a crime suspect to give them to u.
And this would be already forgotten if not u with your weird ridiculous demands. And u would have to put up with my opinion on this for obvious reasons. And my opinion is that you start trolling now which is not encouraged in this forum.
Yes as I thought. This is the situation. You have stated gizmo is a loser at roulette, and cheese is the biggest winner.
I asked if you could back this up, but you couldn't. It's all I wanted to know, but instead you give me a whole lot of irrelevant information that I did not ask.
WHO STARTED WITH THE OFF FORUM COMMENTS?
Quote from: cheese on March 21, 2012, 09:26:48 PM
LOL! Of course its Gizmo, I knew as soon as he
started using big words to fool everybody. He
always breaks under scrutiny, thats why I was
toying with him. He can never explain what he
means because what he says never means
anything. Its always a baloneyfest.
Back when we were exchanging emails, he'd
send me these long messages that never made
any sense, full of words like 'syntatic' and 'mnemonic'
and when I asked for explanations I'd get back
another page on nonsense. He was gaming me,
so I let him go on and on for the longest time. I
read about 5% of the crap he sent me, if that much.
Crackers-Gizmo, u worked with your black box, some other stuff here, nothing worked so far.
then u told everybody that u got some winning ideas from Cheese and u started winning with them. And now u come and tell Cheese that he is only a poser (though before u told in the forums u r using his ideas to win). Too much things was said and it was every time something else. U-turns here and there.
Share your secrets please. Not that I am personally interested since I don't believe in them (I am honest with u, bud), but share them please if u will. For other curious guys.
I am sorry to say I don't really believe that something comes out of it, but if it does I'll be more than happy. After all that is what this forum was created for. Thanx.
Let's not dwell on what happened before, let's see new ideas
OK people.
we are dwelling on the same stuff fruitlessly. I am gonna lock this topic now.
Crackers if u have new interesting stuff to share please do. Create a new topic with no personalities discussed, only roulette.
Now I will ask Cheese: please criticize only ideas, not personal behaviour. Thanx, folks.
And guys! I did not call anyone a roulette loser or biggest winner!
(i admit that Cheese words could be too harsh, so i asked him to be nicer)
Hi Gizmo... I always new you were crackers! ;D
Nice to see you back here.