SmartLiveCasino, the one thats on TV in the UK, is
cheating at roulette. They have a live dealer and
a live wheel, but the dealer isn't spinning the wheel
in real time. They show them standing behind the table
and they cut to an overhead shot of the wheel being
spun. It you watch the dealer before the spin, they
often have their hands resting on the rail
that goes around the table. When they cut to the
shot of the wheel, in the 1/100th of a second from
when we see the hands resting and no body language
at all that the dealer is going to spin, in that 1/100th
of a second the dealers hand appears inside the wheel.
Impossible unless you can move at the speed of light.
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Yeh I also heard smartlive casino assassinates people who win big.
There's no way they're spinning that wheel in real time.
You never see a dealer spin it, all you see is a hand. It
could have been taped a year ago. The dealer never makes a
move towards the wheel, never even looks at the wheel.
There is no body language evidence that a spin is coming.
There's no real players to verify it, no payoffs to
live players. I saw a dealer actually take a half step backwards
and they cut to her hand immediately entering the wheel.
A physical impossibility.
QuoteThere's no way they're spinning that wheel in real time.
You never see a dealer spin it, all you see is a hand. It
could have been taped a year ago.
I made the same statement about a year ago, they tell the video what number video to play to the viewers, to me, a scam right in front of your eyes.
Some of you folk are easily confused. Go to the homepage and click on the mini social roulette free play link. Also run the live roulette game at the same time.
Oops! Looks like some of you got that one wrong! LMAO.
Quote from: Bally44 on March 11, 2012, 08:13:53 AM
Some of you folk are easily confused. Go to the homepage and click on the mini social roulette free play link. Also run the live roulette game at the same time.
Oops! Looks like some of you got that one wrong! LMAO.
Its not even about confusion, its a lack of knowledge about the game. That's it.
If some 1 believes roulette is fixed, then they simply don't understand how roulette works.
Quote from: Bally44 on March 11, 2012, 08:13:53 AM
Some of you folk are easily confused. Go to the homepage and click on the mini social roulette free play link. Also run the live roulette game at the same time.
Yeah, so what? It never shows the dealer spinning
the wheel. The dealer never makes a move to spin
the wheel, yet her hand instantly appears in the
wheel in the next shot? Is she Superwoman, faster
than the speed of light? Watch Dublin.bet, you can
see every bit of the operation, where the players bet,
the dealer spinning the wheel, where the ball lands,
the dealer paying off the players. We've had people
verify the spins in person in Dublin. SmartLive is in
a TV studio somewhere, their are no players, you
can't verify anything. Just yesterday a woman with
long fingers was the dealer, yet the hand in the wheel
had short stubby fingers. You people are being scammed
right in front of your noses.
Cheese, u may be right or u may be not. It is not exactly the hands move right after u saw a dealer standing. It is after a couple of seconds. The thing could be this: all their set may have a very strict time frame. So the camera shows the dealer standing right there without moving (as u say), then right after that the camera points to the wheel (or the second camera looking at the wheel is turned on for us), right after that the dealer gets the signal to move to the wheel and he moves his hand.
Other casinos may not have this kind of set-up, other casinos may not have this stiff time frame for the dealer. So with the other casinos u can see the dealer moving without depending on how camera is set at that moment of the time. But with smartlive it can work just like that.
I am not saying I am 100% sure, but it is possible.
My instructions were pretty clear.
Go to the smartlive homepage.
Click on the live casino tab.
You have the mini social roulette free play in the top left hand corner of the screen.
Click on it.
You will see a continuous shot of the dealer and see them spin the wheel.
You can also run the other feed at the same time just to see how everything correlates.
This shows everything is above board.
The gambling industry is the most stringently regulated industry in the UK because of the capacity for high level organised crime.
The bottom line is they don't need to cheat and the allegations on here are unfounded if you care to check.
There are many ways to" manipulate" the outcome of a game. On-line casinos don`t have the best reputation for being 100 % straightforward.
From all the observations we can draw our own conclusions. This matter is not just being discussed here at VLS but a prominent Forum in the USA is also discussing the recent developments at SmartLive casino.
Nathan detroit
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 11, 2012, 08:49:14 PM
There are many ways to" manipulate" the outcome of a game. On-line casinos don`t have the best
Nathan detroit
So how can a game of roulette be manipulated? I am interested to know.
Cheers.
OK Cheese. if i have an opportunity to check the "irregularities" i will let u know about my conclusions. If the outcome is dictated by a computer rather than a real wheel, this is similar to RNG and may be felt on a long run. Maybe.
It's too risky for any casino to play such mind games in such a country with strong gambling laws as UK.
I'm going back a few years n I cannot for the life of me remember the casino's name.......
BUT there WAS a sky channel in the Uk that had a casino that DID do the things claimed here.....
there was a busty presenter in between spins chatting to you :swoon:, then, they went to a pre recorded spin from an actual wheel which was chosen at "random"
It was a very strange set up which unsurprisingly didn't last long..... :skull:
Yes as i expected Nathen, you can't back up your false claims. That's all this forum is about, peepz talking about something they have no idea about.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 11, 2012, 08:49:14 PM
From all the observations we can draw our own conclusions. This matter is not just being discussed here at VLS but a prominent Forum in the USA is also discussing the recent developments at SmartLive casino.
Nathan detroit
Could I get that link for the thread over in the US of A pls ND......
Thanking you in advance...... :good:
Any forum member in the UK that has access to Smart Live TV = Channel SKY 869 could perhaps give us a comparison between what's shown on TV and what they present on line? I'm a long way from London being down in OZ in the Sydney area so no chance of me getting SKY 869.
I also vaguely recall reading that it's also broadcast to some parts of Europe on some other satellite feed? If this is so then maybe some Euro member could check this out?
Also the S L TV setup is for the phone in punters. I assume they bet their chosen numbers via their phone keypad? The HAVEACHAT presenters/dealers/croupiers cater for that sector. It must pay off for Smart Live otherwise they wouldn't take around 2 minutes/ < 30 spins per hour? Rapid Roulette B & M Sydney Casino Live dealer touch screen play, by comparison, averages about 1 spin per minute/60 spins per hour. Ha Ha Hah - Win twice as much or lose twice as fast?
Looking forward to any info. on this soon. Regards, Hugh.
ReDsQuad
Why your staunch defense of on-line casinos? Any personal interest involved ? Well I know the answer by just following the money and it has never failed me. It`s right there for everyone to see.
BTW we are NOT sore losers at any of those on-line casinos as we are confined to FREE play only.( By virtue of US citizenship and residency)
Many of us are very keen observes of what is happening right in front of our eyes even at well regulated B & M casinos.
Ask yourself why did this conversation pop up all of a sudden ? Not from the usual suspects of sore losers ?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
it is not a good idea to jump to conclusions and just blame someone for "now knowing what he is talking about". As much as i know ND and cheese do have lots of experience in roulette playing. I am not saying they are 100% right, they may be wrong, but at least i tend to respect their opinions and listen to them.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 12, 2012, 09:14:38 AM
ReDsQuad
Why your staunch defense of on-line casinos? Any personal interest involved ? Well I know the answer by just following the money and it has never failed me. It`s right there for everyone to see.
BTW we are NOT sore losers at any of those on-line casinos as we are confined to FREE play only.( By virtue of US citizenship and residency)
Many of us are very keen observes of what is happening right in front of our eyes even at well regulated B & M casinos.
Ask yourself why did this conversation pop up all of a sudden ? Not from the usual suspects of sore losers ?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I am not defending on line casinos, I'm talking in general, weather it's B&M or Online.
Nathan, I asked you nicely to tell me how you think a roulette spin can be manipulated by the casino. You ignored my request, therefore it told me you just said that for the sake of it. That kind of thing is just annoying.
An allegation like that, I would be sure to explain why I had such an opinion.
The subject concerning" SmartLive Casino is cheating" has run it`s course. I will not engage in any further discussions unrelated to this subject.
I am not obligated to wise up anyone how to determine cheating at on-line or B & M casinos.
Nathan Detroit
it's already been told how they can manipulate results. Users place their bets, computer finds the "weakest number" (thus giving the casino maximum profit), then plays a video record of this number winning and gives this as a winning number. This way casino profits will be huge. But that must be extremely dangerous set-up in case of inspection.
Nathan, I just found a video of you on youtube!!
*video removed as unrelated to roulette*
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 15, 2012, 09:29:39 AM
Nathan, I just found a video of you on youtube!!
I shall not reply to ReDs QuaDs post directed against me . I have taken other appropiate measures .
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 15, 2012, 11:34:39 AM
I shall not reply to ReDs QuaDs post directed against me . I have taken other appropiate measures .
Nathan Detroit
You just did :biggrin:
Redsquad, u may find it smart and funny, but it is not. It is still personal and not about roulette. I will ask u kindly to refrain from personal addressing like this.
P.S. I am telling u again. Nathan is an experienced roulette player, and successful one.
P.P.S. Redsquad, why can't keep it just about roulette? I understand u think this is an innocent joke, but try to put yourself in shoes of one who u address like that. Please behave. This forum is about ROULETTE.
Let's not try starting this story all over again
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on March 15, 2012, 09:29:39 AM
Nathan, I just found a video of you on youtube!!