I'm a regular player from Romania; I can't provide a real screenshot of the roulette I usually play, nor do I know the model; but I have found a matching pick: nolinks://nolinks.asgam.com/cms_img/Alfastreet.JPG (nolinks://nolinks.asgam.com/cms_img/Alfastreet.JPG)
It is fully automated, rigged of course (it won't let you win more that 50 - 100 units, except at times when there are more players). I always see some weird movements of the ball like sudden drop, speeding up, jumping from a bet pocket, etc; in my city there are only 3 types of roulette, & I mainly play the one above. I almost never win, I lose regularly.
Please give some insight (some of-especially Macedonianyou have played this); I'm hoping for a system similar to the Dublinbet post, if possible.
Thanks
Edit: Best way to beat alfastreet roulette wheels is explained at nolinks.roulettephysics.com (nolinks://nolinks.roulettephysics.com)
Hello J8,
Your target image is not available anymore, but I've found this one:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fvlsroulette.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D20170.0%3Battach%3D7545%3Bimage&hash=82cac8362714303c5ff1b39749560cd96a6b828b)
I think it's the one you intended to show (right?).
As for the AlfaStreet, if you are not confident on its fairness, just stay away.
My personal experience with a local AlfaStreet roulette is I've seen it give large payouts, especially to some Asian fellows. Others have been doing good and not-so-good on it. Just the same as in regular roulette.
My ex-dealer friend used to bet dozens/columns on different AlfaStreet machines in the city and on trips.
Some trips were partially "sponsored" by AlfaStreet wins :)
One thing I noticed is that they can see your bankroll from a monitor (I put in a large sum of money, but I never let it take it all-I cash out after I lose about 1/5 in consecutive spins) when they saw I wanted to leave, they didn't even look at my monitor, they just brought me the exact amount of cash;
So what exactly are you saying? I asked if you have experienced winnings with a certain strategy/series of numbers bet.
How to beat alfastreets is shown in the video below from nolinks.roulette-computers.com (nolinks://nolinks.roulette-computers.com)
nolinkss://nolinks.youtube.com/v/BPrDcovqyq8
The latest version alfastreets are more like the cammegh slingshot wheels that have a lot of countermeasures. It doesn't make the wheel completely unbeatable, but makes life harder.
here in singapore both MBS and RW have these kind of model.
nolinks://nolinks.alfastreet.si/images/galleries/g2e11_vegas.jpg (nolinks://nolinks.alfastreet.si/images/galleries/g2e11_vegas.jpg)
I see...ANY TIPS?
Alfastreet 8 seats....are magnetised and the ball is sheathed with iron inside.
Have a close look once the ball drops in the pocket,stands putty in the middle
without touching side walls.When the number is prounonced it goes back incside machine.
It doesn't play against any bet numbers,as the numbers are predeterminated in sealed
HD and it can't miss the number that is due to hit......that's why you see sometimes it drops in pocket in many diff,and queer ways,The best way to beat it is betting the numbers where it presently
mostly hit.In winter days am playing it every day...now in summer am in BM casino.
Havent posted in a long time...New look on the forum ha? Its better than the old one....
J8 i consistantly beat alfa street i can help you...For free...
I PM-ed my email adress...
Contact me...
And by the way,
Admin,where are my posts with videos?They've been moved or anything?
Macedonian,
Yes I am new to the forum.
Thank you for your message, I will send you a message on email as soon as I finish putting some things in order; perhaps tomorrow or the day after?
Vlad
Quote from: macedonianroulette1 on July 08, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Havent posted in a long time...New look on the forum ha? Its better than the old one....
J8 I consistantly beat alfa street I can help you...For free...
I PM-ed my email adress...
Contact me...
macedonian, if you don't mind would love to take a look at those methods of yours.. sent you a PM.
J8, tare postul ala cu ghicitul :) .. esti din Bucuresti?
macedonian, if you posted videos, they would be here somewhere. I havent moved them.
Quote from: macedonianroulette1 on July 08, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Havent posted in a long time...New look on the forum ha? Its better than the old one....
J8 I consistantly beat alfa street I can help you...For free...
I PM-ed my email adress...
Contact me...
--If for free why PM...why not post it Bratko.
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 09, 2012, 04:16:22 AM
--If for free why PM...why not post it Bratko.
I assume you understand that every wheel is different....Provide me with video of the wheel youre playing and i will post it ...
signurinu, sant din Cluj :)
La ce post te referi?
pare bine
these posts are in the wrong place. systems
Quote from: macedonianroulette1 on July 09, 2012, 07:24:08 AM
I assume you understand that every wheel is different....Provide me with video of the wheel youre playing and I will post it ...
--Provide you with video??????You must be joking man.
No cameras allowed in casino,you should know that.Have posted above
how I play and it seems it works on all alfastreet machines I have played.
Gdje svi turci tu i mali Mujo.That's a scheme.
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 09, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
--Provide you with video??????You must be joking man.
No cameras allowed in casino,you should know that.Have posted above
how I play and it seems it works on all alfastreet machines I have played.
Gdje svi turci tu I mali Mujo.That's a scheme.
True, but cellphones are allowed.
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 09, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
--Provide you with video??????You must be joking man.
No cameras allowed in casino,you should know that.Have posted above
how I play and it seems it works on all alfastreet machines I have played.
Gdje svi turci tu I mali Mujo.That's a scheme.
Dude,you can't beat alfa street with repeating numbers,it will burn you....
Don't you understand that automatic roulette has a pattern recognition software for players that repeatedly play
the same type of game....
You can beat alfa street only after ball release with vb or with those cell phone computers that predict outcome(if youre too lazy)
By outside bets and playing hot numbers you can win few times,but that one time will burn you for all wins that you made....
I told you to provide me with video because i felt like you atacked me like :''WHY DONT YOU POST IT''
Every wheel is different and predictions can be made only by studying that particular wheel....
There's no system that aplies to all wheels in the world :))))
I played again today. The roulette is clearly rigged. Only 6 numbers uncovered, 2 numbers uncovered, a dozen uncovered- not a single win. Other players got burnt too. It is not a repeating series, it is a computer that plays against you. It sucked in the ball like it was milf titties. One player started throwing around stuff from his pockets :lol:& smashing the keyboard with his fists. Instinct told me to keep playing, but I cashed put the remaining money & stood a bit longer to see the carnage. All free screens showed last win= amount; last win=0. Props to the AI, dis time it went uber. :blink:
Quote from: J8 on July 09, 2012, 04:25:57 PM
I played again today. The roulette is clearly rigged. Only 6 numbers uncovered, 2 numbers uncovered, a dozen uncovered- not a single win. Other players got burnt too. It is not a repeating series, it is a computer that plays against you. It sucked in the ball like it was milf titties. One player started throwing around stuff from his pockets :lol:& smashing the keyboard with his fists. Instinct told me to keep playing, but I cashed put the remaining money & stood a bit longer to see the carnage. All free screens showed last win= amount; last win=0. Props to the AI, dis time it went uber. :blink:
All alfa streets have pattern recognition software....I am sure you and those players are regulars there and played a recognizable patterns thats why they all sunked....
So the only way to win alfa street is after ball release...
When the ball is released its easier to predict where it will fall depending on scater level of the machine....So you bet 7 to 10 numbers that cover some part of the wheel..
Example if the prediction is around number 21 you bet 17,25,2,21,4,19,15....
The machine can't change the outcome in a level that can drastic influence the outcome...
And with fewer numbers you need less wins to come on top...
& you use VB on this roulette? Props to you, but really how can it work if the computer clearly chooses an empty pocket? I didn't use recognizable patterns, I changed my bet every time. The alfastreet (latest version, racetrack included) NEVER misses. I only won once (yesterday), because I bet smaller amounts on areas not covered by other players.
Quote from: J8 on July 09, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
& you use VB on this roulette? Props to you, but really how can it work if the computer clearly chooses an empty pocket? I didn't use recognizable patterns, I changed my bet every time. The alfastreet (latest version, racetrack included) NEVER misses. I only won once (yesterday), because I bet smaller amounts on areas not covered by other players.
You can bet areas not covered by others and still the ball lands in someones biggest win number....
I told you VB can only be applied if the machine closes bets several seconds after ball release....
About patterns,its not that you changed bets every time that the machine knows....
You think only you bet those numbers on these machine?
The patterns are recognized by odds,not the numbers you play...
So if you play 30-35 numbers,the machine needs to sunk you twice to wipe your bankroll :(
But if you play after ball release and increase accuracy of prediction if the machine programs to fall on 22,and you bet 22 with many
chips it will scater(depends on the wheel) closely to the predicted area....
Scatter is recognizable by statistics of pockets away...
So you study a wheel....You recognize the ball speed(VB),average revolutions of spins(VB),dominant diamond(VB),scatter level(VB)
and you have a prediction....
In order to beat a wheel you need to study it a longer period of time...
There are no OVERNIGHT winning techniques...
mcmonaco said the numbers are predetermined, not sure if this is true though he was right about the magnets (the ball really doesn't touch the pocket walls)...but anyway, If currently I am unable to use vb (the number of resolutions of the wheel varies), what would be your advice on how to play? Yes it's true, the ball is released before the timer runs out, but only 3 seconds before, & there are 2 wholes from which the balls is released.
A method I once used & seemed to work (I assumed the computer was choosing the pocket AFTER the wheel was starting to accelerate-that is 3 seconds prior to ball release; &that there are not 37 magnets, but only 4 to protect the house-later it was obvious I was wrong) was like this: I put ALL the available credit on let's say small series/tiers (33-27), & in the 3 seconds during wheel acceleration, I canceled it, & put an average bet on bug series (22-25) &/or the Orphelins, along with the middle of Tiers (8 &1 to 1 neighbors): I HAD 29 CONSECUTIVE WINS LIKE THIS!!-much better than yesterday's 17 consecutive wins on the 6 numbers lines bets. But then the wheel started to misbehave:(, anyway I got out while ahead.
You say that recognizable patterns are read by odds, any idea how this could be exploited? Your old method of betting on 1st dozen was quite risky, I'm surprised you actually won this was?
Anyway I appreciate the insight & help, respond here or by email if you want.
Vlad
Sorry for the double post, could it be possible that the computer chooses the pocket in the interval before the 3 seconds prior to ball release?
Quote from: J8 on July 09, 2012, 06:34:38 PM
Sorry for the double post, could it be possible that the computer chooses the pocket in the interval before the 3 seconds prior to ball release?
The computer has already chosen what pocket to land the ball in when the spin starts,you only need to predict in what area it will land...
If there are 3 secs to bet,you can play by the predetermined bets,small series,zero spiel etc....
So let me help you a bit....
Now do this...Choose ONE machine to play...
Here's what you need to look for...
Lets start small....
Observe 20 spins
In those 20 spins you note this:
1.How many rotations the ball makes in average until it lands...
Example: 1st spin - 8 rotations,2nd spin- 11 rotations..etc... and make a average out of it...Most alfa streets average is 9,5 rotations....
2.Wheel rotation speed: Choose a spot and count how many seconds it takes for the zero to make a full rotation
Also make average of 20 spins
3.Look on which diamond the ball hits the most before it lands....(i suppose you know what diamonds are)
4.Make an average of scatter....
Example : The ball falls close to the zero and lands in number 14...Thats about 12-13 pockets scatter....
Make average the same way as the rotations and wheel speed(it doesn't have to be much accurate)
5.(If possible) Which part(position) of the spin does the ball start to decelerate (slow down and start falling towards the pockets)
6.Look for patterns in outcomes...
Example: Ball falls over the zero,lands in 27....Wait for another spin where the ball is released over the zero and note the outcome...
If the bet arches overlap then we got ourselves a pattern(will explain later)
If you get those parameters right,predictions can be made with 1 out of 4 accuracy minimum
Thanks alot, I will try this the day after tomorrow, I will take a day break from playing:)
Quote from: J8 on July 09, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Thanks alot, I will try this the day after tomorrow, I will take a day break from playing:)
There is however, one small but obvious problem..the wheel continues to spin after no more bets can be made, an average of 19.
Sorry, I mean 9 ::)
Quote from: J8 on July 09, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
There is however, one small but obvious problem..the wheel continues to spin after no more bets can be made, an average of 19.
Thats the whole point...You observe those 20 spins...not play...You begin to count after ball release...
you count the average of the rotation so when you play you could have
an average parameter to apply to your future predictions...
The more spins you observe the more accurate your predictions will be...
If you like when you have the time choose one automated roulette from an online site and
well talk through skype,
i make predictions you watch so i can explain to you how it works....
Hi Macedonian! in my city I have automated wheel of "Grand Jeu" and "Elaut". Do you know anything about them? Any tips maybe? Anyway, great posts from you! Many thanks....
Quote from: macedonianroulette1 on July 09, 2012, 07:48:58 PM
Thats the whole point...You observe those 20 spins...not play...You begin to count after ball release...
you count the average of the rotation so when you play you could have
an average parameter to apply to your future predictions...
The more spins you observe the more accurate your predictions will be...
If you like when you have the time choose one automated roulette from an online site and
well talk through skype,
I make predictions you watch so I can explain to you how it works....
I know the mathematics & physics of roulette, & thought of your suggestion before, yet I didn't have the nerve to apply the estimation & scatter variables in 3-4 seconds. I will try this today or tomorrow, also I'll test my theory on exclusion zones.
Quote from: alan on July 09, 2012, 09:35:31 PM
Hi Macedonian! in my city I have automated wheel of "Grand Jeu" and "Elaut". Do you know anything about them? Any tips maybe? Anyway, great posts from you! Many thanks....
Grand Jeu is good because the scatter is very low...I mean when the ball lands in some area stays there most of the time....
They have jackpots too and i have won tha jack pot once and the wheel starts coming up and the plaiyng terminals start to blink lol...
Tip for this roulette:
The software on this roulette often show patterns of the predetermined bets(5/8 series,zero spiel.orphans)
Try this : when you have three numbers of one bet lets say 5/8 series you have :33,16,11(which is very common)
Now bet the zero spiel once,then come back to the 5/8 series....It will hit you once or twice again,pick up the win and run home...
Quote from: J8 on July 09, 2012, 06:34:38 PM
Sorry for the double post, could it be possible that the computer chooses the pocket in the interval before the 3 seconds prior to ball release?
-It is predeterm.and don't be confused....it doesn't work against playes/s
and professionals don't lose on it.Problem is there are only few around.
Quote from: macedonianroulette1 on July 10, 2012, 12:08:25 PM
Grand Jeu is good because the scatter is very low...I mean when the ball lands in some area stays there most of the time....
They have jackpots too and I have won tha jack pot once and the wheel starts coming up and the plaiyng terminals start to blink lol...
Tip for this roulette:
The software on this roulette often show patterns of the predetermined bets(5/8 series,zero spiel.orphans)
Try this : when you have three numbers of one bet lets say 5/8 series you have :33,16,11(which is very common)
Now bet the zero spiel once,then come back to the 5/8 series....It will hit you once or twice again,pick up the win and run home...
Thanks for your tips! Really appreciate that. But I don't know what means 5/8 series. Can you explain please? And what do you think should I try to practice VB on Grand Jeu that you explained in your post #25? Coz I always thought that imposssible to play VB there because of changing speed of rotor during same spin. But as I can uderstand you can manage that problem?
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 10, 2012, 12:32:52 PM
-It is predeterm.and don't be confused....it doesn't work against playes/s
and professionals don't lose on it.Problem is there are only few around.
Ok so what is your advice? Macedonian says the spin outcome is governed by a computer, & my experience seems to confirm that, although what he suggests is hard. Today I won a little with my own mathematical configuration. How do you play such machines?
Vlad
This is an older version, & I doubt the local alfa which is latest model is not the same:
BANKOMAT MENU for Manual Del Usuario Alfa Street RK8 (nolinks://nolinks.scribd.com/doc/71497755/15/BANKOMAT-MENU)
"The main control computer controls the stations and the roulette wheel. The operatorcommunicates with the main computer using small numeric keyboard, B&W CRTcontrol monitor and the main power switch box, located in the corner beside the playstation 1. Depending on the Alfastreet Roulette 8K version, the monitor of the playstation 1 is used as a control monitor. The operator select the function of the monitorusing the control switch located above the main switch. " Macedonian was right, but probably only in part; the use of magnets break predictions...i think.
There are no magnets....These machines go through inspections by the gaming comitee in every country in the world....
Now make sure that the casino youre playing is a LEGAL casino...
Outcomes are reached by the vent that is blowing air and the wheel...
Now look at this video...It's not cheating it just that the roulette is taking the ball back where its predetermined to land...
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=O44yaKCU7Pk#
Quote from: macedonianroulette1 on July 09, 2012, 06:54:55 PM
The computer has already chosen what pocket to land the ball in when the spin starts,you only need to predict in what area it will land...
If there are 3 secs to bet,you can play by the predetermined bets,small series,zero spiel etc....
So let me help you a bit....
Now do this...Choose ONE machine to play...
Here's what you need to look for...
Lets start small....
Observe 20 spins
In those 20 spins you note this:
1.How many rotations the ball makes in average until it lands...
Example: 1st spin - 8 rotations,2nd spin- 11 rotations..etc... and make a average out of it...Most alfa streets average is 9,5 rotations....
2.Wheel rotation speed: Choose a spot and count how many seconds it takes for the zero to make a full rotation
Also make average of 20 spins
3.Look on which diamond the ball hits the most before it lands....(I suppose you know what diamonds are)
4.Make an average of scatter....
Example : The ball falls close to the zero and lands in number 14...Thats about 12-13 pockets scatter....
Make average the same way as the rotations and wheel speed(it doesn't have to be much accurate)
5.(If possible) Which part(position) of the spin does the ball start to decelerate (slow down and start falling towards the pockets)
6.Look for patterns in outcomes...
Example: Ball falls over the zero,lands in 27....Wait for another spin where the ball is released over the zero and note the outcome...
If the bet arches overlap then we got ourselves a pattern(will explain later)
If you get those parameters right,predictions can be made with 1 out of 4 accuracy minimum
Nice - i would like to chat - can you PM me your skype name.
I play regular wheels - but would love to learn more about how you deal with automated wheels.
Cheers
Oposed to every one think live wheels are harder to beat...
That is because there is a human factor which isnt consistent or generates patterns...
I will make a video very soon to show improved methods of beating automated wheels...
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QuoteThe computer has already chosen what pocket to land the ball in when the spin starts,you only need to predict in what area it will land...
If there are 3 secs to bet,you can play by the predetermined bets,small series,zero spiel etc....
So let me help you a bit....
Now do this...Choose ONE machine to play...
Here's what you need to look for...
Lets start small....
Observe 20 spins
In those 20 spins you note this:
1.How many rotations the ball makes in average until it lands...
Example: 1st spin - 8 rotations,2nd spin- 11 rotations..etc... and make a average out of it...Most alfa streets average is 9,5 rotations....
2.Wheel rotation speed: Choose a spot and count how many seconds it takes for the zero to make a full rotation
Also make average of 20 spins
3.Look on which diamond the ball hits the most before it lands....(I suppose you know what diamonds are)
4.Make an average of scatter....
Example : The ball falls close to the zero and lands in number 14...Thats about 12-13 pockets scatter....
Make average the same way as the rotations and wheel speed(it doesn't have to be much accurate)
5.(If possible) Which part(position) of the spin does the ball start to decelerate (slow down and start falling towards the pockets)
6.Look for patterns in outcomes...
Example: Ball falls over the zero,lands in 27....Wait for another spin where the ball is released over the zero and note the outcome...
If the bet arches overlap then we got ourselves a pattern(will explain later)
If you get those parameters right,predictions can be made with 1 out of 4 accuracy minimum
Well I like to read what you write - it is a very interesting topic.
When collecting spins (laps/turnarounds) from release to end using main focus pin to get average of one particular spin - then what hit ratio do we deal with - what is the average.
Lets assume we categorize them into three groups of spins.
Sloppy, medium, hard.
Then sloppy would be around 8 9 10 11 12 13
Then medium would be around 14 15 16 17 18 19
Then hard would be around 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
So how does it work with automated wheels?
Are there only medium and hard to categorize?
Lets assume 18 is the average spin - then what hit ratio would it have?
I assume all different kinds of air ball machines has programed "air blow" wish spin the ball with different force.
I even seen charts and images of tiny motors that put the ball with slight less or stronger force during spin - manipulate the spin - they are located inside the upper side ball track.
Also read that rotor change during spin.
That has to be the counter measuring methods casino use with automated wheels.
So I don't see how it helps taking the average lap/turnarounds.
Now how do you deal with drop zone as there are non existing 1 pin game conditions with today's wheels - regular or automated wheels.
If you argue there is then what kind of hit ratio would 1 pin have out of 10 20 30 trails?
Cheers
QuoteThe computer has already chosen what pocket to land the ball in when the spin starts,you only need to predict in what area it will land...
If there are 3 secs to bet,you can play by the predetermined bets,small series,zero spiel etc....
So let me help you a bit....
Now do this...Choose ONE machine to play...
Here's what you need to look for...
Lets start small....
Observe 20 spins
In those 20 spins you note this:
1.How many rotations the ball makes in average until it lands...
Example: 1st spin - 8 rotations,2nd spin- 11 rotations..etc... and make a average out of it...Most alfa streets average is 9,5 rotations....
2.Wheel rotation speed: Choose a spot and count how many seconds it takes for the zero to make a full rotation
Also make average of 20 spins
3.Look on which diamond the ball hits the most before it lands....(I suppose you know what diamonds are)
4.Make an average of scatter....
Example : The ball falls close to the zero and lands in number 14...Thats about 12-13 pockets scatter....
Make average the same way as the rotations and wheel speed(it doesn't have to be much accurate)
5.(If possible) Which part(position) of the spin does the ball start to decelerate (slow down and start falling towards the pockets)
6.Look for patterns in outcomes...
Example: Ball falls over the zero,lands in 27....Wait for another spin where the ball is released over the zero and note the outcome...
If the bet arches overlap then we got ourselves a pattern(will explain later)
If you get those parameters right,predictions can be made with 1 out of 4 accuracy minimum
I cant see how this "average spin" and "average rotor" and "average tilt" would make you know where the high probability area is - where the ball will end up.
QuoteI cant see how this "average spin" and "average rotor" and "average tilt" would make you know where the high probability area is - where the ball will end up.
I havent read all of this thread but the most incredibly small difference between one wheel of the same design and another can give an enormous difference in ball outcomes, scatter etc. Every wheel is unique, although you can still get similar scatter patterns on many wheels. But using one analysis for another wheel for actual predictions can almost never be done.
Quote from: Steve on July 10, 2012, 07:59:17 PM
I havent read all of this thread but the most incredibly small difference between one wheel of the same design and another can give an enormous difference in ball outcomes, scatter etc. Every wheel is unique, although you can still get similar scatter patterns on many wheels. But using one analysis for another wheel for actual predictions can almost never be done.
Steve - wheel mapping would be much better then the solution he is offering.
I cant see how some one can pin point out the high probability area using average.
It sound like beginners who try to develop a wheel signature with out real physical parameters involved.
I cant see hes methods being valid.
Quote from: I have cookies on July 10, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
Steve - wheel mapping would be much better then the solution he is offering.
I cant see how some one can pin point out the high probability area using average.
It sound like beginners who try to develop a wheel signature with out real physical parameters involved.
I cant see hes methods being valid.
Look i have been dissed like this before....I've posted tons of videos on many forums about the success of my analysis and techique...
I have a dozen videos on this forum alone....It was several monts ago when i was proving to some hothead and i don't plan
to do it again...
I had partners-players from this forum to whom i made a lot of money...I have proof of that too...
So if you have techiques/systems on how to beat automated roulette i will be glad to read it...
But pls dont tell me that mine don't work...
And offcourse every wheel is different and in every wheel i have different priorities towards the parameters...
Parameters mentioned above are the only thing i need to have decent predictions...
And yes,i don't win every time,but in weekly or monthly perspective i am in profit almost always and i make a decent monthly wage...
Its up to you to believe me or not...But once again i dont have to prove anything to anyone...
I saw the thread where J8 asked me to help him with alfa street and thats all...
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Your physics with analysis and technique is so simple that is hard to believe it works.
Macedonian, no one disses you, it's just that it seems impossible to use predictions on most wheels. I tried what you posted earlier-it works to a certain extent ..if I could place bets right before the ball drops...but I can't. Here's how a full cycle goes:
The wheel asks for bets (female voice); the timer doesn't start until bets are made; I place a bet; 3 seconds before the timer runs out, the wheel starts to accelerate; 2 seconds before the timer runs out the ball is released; the wheel locks any bets made.
So to apply your method (which may work on the wheels you play) I would have to guess the entire parameters based on what happens during those 2 to 3 seconds.
Quote from: I have cookies on July 10, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
Steve - wheel mapping would be much better then the solution he is offering.
I cant see how some one can pin point out the high probability area using average.
It sound like beginners who try to develop a wheel signature with out real physical parameters involved.
I cant see hes methods being valid.
Yes, wheel mapping can be done IF there is no computer that plays against you aka outcomes are predetermined & you can spend a lot of time at the wheel. In a manual I posted here says the alfa has a 499 nr. series which repeats...can anyone confirm that?
Macedonian on Dublinbet LIVE 20th Sep 2011
- YouTube
(nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=WTkyLWwUWfs)
Daaaamn Macedonian that was impressive:D
But it is a LIVE wheel..you have time to count..
The only thing can't grasp how it is possible to predict
and write it all prior the ball was released,if the prediction
supposed to be after ball release.
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 11, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
The only thing can't grasp how it is possible to predict
and write it all prior the ball was released,if the prediction
supposed to be after ball release.
I think I know how macedonianroulette1 predicts that. I was testing last summer very similar. Watched 7-8 spins each directions and noted how many pockets the ball landing from the last outcome. I did it before the ball was spun, so didn't note scatter and wheel speed. I collected a data by each dealer, tryed to build a chart for every dealer.
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 11, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
The only thing can't grasp how it is possible to predict
and write it all prior the ball was released,if the prediction
supposed to be after ball release.
You count & make an average for future predictions...still very hard. I've seen scatter 2 numbers & scatter the entire wheel & 5 numbers... :blink: The vertical diamonds on the wheel I play just bounce the ball too much, or too little. If it hits the tip of the diamond, it will enter the inner part of the wheel, can make 2 full resolutions before it finally drops...sigh.
ooooo NOT AGAIN......
GIVE ME A LIVE ROULETTE SITE,CHOOSE A WHEEL AND I'LL MAKE A VIDEO ON HOW MANY SPINS YOU LIKE......
Quote from: I have cookies on July 11, 2012, 05:14:46 AM
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Your physics with analysis and technique is so simple that is hard to believe it works.
Who cares about live videos when they not are based upon pure physics - any system player can pretend using visual ballistic parameters and claim does it the reason why you win or hit does sectors.
Quote from: I have cookies on July 11, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
Who cares about live videos when they not are based upon pure physics - any system player can pretend using visual ballistic parameters and claim does it the reason why you win or hit does sectors.
Ok....That's all from me....I win consistently and thats all what i need....
You continue with the dozens and the columns and you have the holy grail....
Wish you well
Quote from: macedonianroulette1 on July 11, 2012, 09:42:30 AM
ooooo NOT AGAIN......
GIVE ME A LIVE ROULETTE SITE,CHOOSE A WHEEL AND I'LL MAKE A VIDEO ON HOW MANY SPINS YOU LIKE......
Man I believe your method works, I'm just not 100% sure how this one acts....I'll give you the data this week, if you're still here please help me interpret it.
Anyway I won decently today...it happens very rarely for me...I started counting like you said, but couldn't help myself & started playing :smile:
By the way romanian,on sat**day i'm going to Varna(Bulgaria) to hit the casinos then continue on the sea riviera...
I'll be staying there till 1st of august....Contact me if you want to meet...
I'm not saying macedonians system works or fails. I know nothing about it. But the video I saw is very short term results and is not conclusive of anything.
Macedonian, I sent you a pm:).
Steve, I saw several of his videos, & the method works; but the roulette tables he played on are quite predictable, meaning they don't spin very fast. Where I play the ball intersects the 0 42 -53 times (this is my own extrapolation of macedonians method, to make things easier); on his wheels, there are less.
I will also try it with a live dealer, but right now I only have about 1.5-2 hours a day time to visit the local casino (the 7 casino), but as soon as I'm done with my masters degree, I'm gonna make some trips:D
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Using average physical parameters does not work - my opinion.
I could read that some one attack automated wheel using average spins lap times and average rotor speed timings with dominant drop zone.
If it not was for the average spin lap time had to occur in the same time as the average rotor speed timing - it wight or could reduce the house edge with a small effect.
At least let you aim for the high probability area more often then if you used a regular system.
That kind of pre-predicted patterns are a fallacy.
Now if some one could use pre-predicted patterns with same spin-development and with same rotor speed with dominant drop zone - then it would work - wish you can.
Physical parameters has to calibrate and manifest linearity to show us where the high probability area will be and reduce the house edge.
The spin lap time and rotor timing can not co-exist or don't match using pre-predicted patterns.
Quote from: mcmonaco on July 08, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
Alfastreet 8 seats....are magnetised and the ball is sheathed with iron inside.
Have a close look once the ball drops in the pocket,stands putty in the middle
without touching side walls.When the number is prounonced it goes back incside machine.
It doesn't play against any bet numbers,as the numbers are predeterminated in sealed
HD and it can't miss the number that is due to hit......that's why you see sometimes it drops in pocket in many diff,and queer ways,The best way to beat it is betting the numbers where it presently
mostly hit.In winter days am playing it every day...now in summer am in BM casino.
My airball is the same like you describe,at times it will hit a slot then go back searching a number landing in it as if,there you are.You are right.The best way is playing hot sector.Only way to be ahead.
But in frequency of hits,using Kimo li principles posted in the past.
Quote from: seykid29 on July 16, 2012, 06:58:46 AM
My airball is the same like you describe,at times it will hit a slot then go back searching a number landing in it as if,there you are.You are right.The best way is playing hot sector.Only way to be ahead.
But in frequency of hits,using Kimo li principles posted in the past.
So it's just not an rng in fancy dressing? It really never misses the number that is due to hit?
More importantly when does the magnet become active, before or after the wheel starts to spin?
Quote from: J8 on July 16, 2012, 11:54:31 AM
So it's just not an rng in fancy dressing? It really never misses the number that is due to hit?
More importantly when does the magnet become active, before or after the wheel starts to spin?
Frankly i dont really think it matters,cause if we are talking computers,even after ball release it can adjust if that was the case to find free slot.An interesting thing,note from your spins,sometimes in a week a sector will be dominant 3-4 days,what they call temporary bias i might say,next week it will change.Record and see.
Guys,it will be hard for you to accept this,but you are far away from the truth.If anyone wanna know the truth about electronic roulettes reply here,or pm on my mail.Its normaly to think that im joking you,but i will explain you everything for free.
Btw im new to this website/forum.I made this acc just to help to everyone for free.I made over 800.000 euros in the casinos in Macedonia.
Now im banned from playing electronic roulettes in Senator clubs and other casinos.If any1 is interested reply here.
Hi memorabilis i am interested in wining at this kind of roulette, and i am asking you if u can help me:)?
I play on an AlfaStreet wheel in Macedonia.
If anyone knows any definite ways to beat this wheel, it would be greatly appreciated if they could share it...
From what I've observed, I've noticed that the particular wheel I'm playing on is partially biased to some numbers. Also, sometimes it keeps giving numbers from the small series and other times it keeps giving numbers from the big series.
That's about all I've noticed...
You cant beat them all. It depends on the wheel settings. This is video beating alfastreet:
nolinkss://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=BPrDcovqyq8 (nolinkss://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=BPrDcovqyq8)
The wheel is beaten but predictions are only around 1 sec before no more bets is called, and sometimes right at no more bets. In this case the wheel design is easy to beat, but no more bets is called very early. Right after natural deceleration starts (no air compressor) no more bets is called
Quote from: Player2015 on March 15, 2015, 09:06:21 AM
I play on an AlfaStreet wheel in Macedonia.
If anyone knows any definite ways to beat this wheel, it would be greatly appreciated if they could share it...
From what I've observed, I've noticed that the particular wheel I'm playing on is partially biased to some numbers. Also, sometimes it keeps giving numbers from the small series and other times it keeps giving numbers from the big series.
That's about all I've noticed...
WOW... 2 years since my last post :)
There is NO DEFINITE way to beat Alfa Streets IN THE LONG RUN...
Now i will write a looooong explanation from my experience and my advices for you...
In order to make profit from Alfa Streets or similiar automated wheels here is what you should do:
DONT BE GREEDY!!!!DONT BE GREEDY!!!!DONT BE GREEDY!!!!...
When you learn to NOT BE GREEDY and accept that YOU CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T MAKE A LIVING FROM ROULETTE, and that roulette is GAMBLING that here is what you can do:
You play with patience,statistics and with a STRICT CONCEPT and with a little luck you will be in small but sweet profit ...
I base my theory from playing automated wheels for around 10 years now...and i think it applies on any game of chance...(sportsbetting,poker,slots,etc...)
First of all,you must understand that there wont be so much automated casinos on every corner in Macedonia if they were beatable in the long run...To put it simply the way that the machine works aside from all the electronics and software and all that sh*t is in certain period of time(lets say 2 weeks) if in the machine were put 10000 euros, the machine returns around 7300 euros with winnings,and the other is for the casino(and then the Government takes around 20% in taxes from that money).Now it may seem like sometimes you just can't win a spin for days and other times you win almost every spin for days...And then THAT BAD DAY comes and you lose it all in a fast way and dont know where your head is for 2 hours...Well MY OPINION of this matter is this...
Have you ever noticed this(Alfa Street players)....Lets say you put 10000 denars(thats Macedonian money) in the roulette...You play for some time and it pulls you down to about 2000 denars then a big stacked number hits and it brings you back to about 8000 denars....Now the big question is : TO WALK AWAY or TO PLAY....and thats where it gets you...In 90% of the time you will lose the 8000 denars if you continue to play because after that winning spin it will slowly drain your money...If you dont get a profit of minimum 10% in the first 3 spins there are big chances that thats a HUNGRY WHEEL :) Now after that winning spin the machine inputs in their program that it made a return of 70-80%,but since you continued playing and lost it, it will payout in the next day or so...So the payout money you didnt take stacks and stacks and then when it reaches a certain limit it starts to give winning numbers more often(i call this a FAT WHEEL) until it reaches the pre-programed balance of 70-80 % of money returned in winnings.
This is a simplified explanation of how the machine works,but it works on long time intervals so you cant notice it right away,but if you observe a particular machine in a longer period of time 6 months - a year,you will see that this is true...I know it seems stupid but thats how it is.....
Now have something like this happened to you(Alfa Street players): You play small bets on many numbers on the layout,lets say from 20 to 27 anti clockwise..And there is another player sitting next to you or across,and he plays big money on 5-6 numbers(zero spiel) and it keeps giving him large wins and taking your litle bets that arent even 10% of his bet...The reason that the machine SOMETIMES do this is this: The software detects a high roller on the table and makes a calculation to payout to even 10 times his bankroll in order to make an ILLUSION that will BOOST THE EGO,MAKE THE ADDICTION STRONGER!!!...Ex. He put 500 euros in the machine and payout 5000 euros....So now the illusion of a big payout and the adrenaline of the large bets will 110% make that player come back in the next days if not the same day too....But that does not worry the casino owners too much because the machine will make back its lost money in the next week or 10 days by "PLAYING BAD" and still be in profit at the end of the month,meanwhile making litle payouts here and there to make THE ADDICTION more strong for the players(gamblers).
I hope the process of the machine is understandable for you now,and that is MY PERCEPTION of this machince in the years i've wasted around them....
NOTE: THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THESE ROULETTE MACHINES AND IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CORRECT BUT ITS A COLLECTION OF OBSERVATIONS FROM A LONG TIME ALFA STREET PLAYER...
Anyway enough of that....THIS IS HOW I DEVELOPED AND PLAYED MY CONCEPT:
I lived in the capital city Skopje and it had around 50 automated casinos all over the city...
It went like this:
1.I made a bankroll (most often 20000 denars which is around 350 euros)
2.I picked 10 casinos for the day
3.I made a concept of betting numbers(which it doesn't realy matter what you will play as long as it is 6-10 conected numbers)
4.Made a promise to my self that i will play 5 spins per casino and stay with the same bets in every casino no matter if i lose or win
5.Made a promise to my self that i will only play 4 times a week maximum...
6.Made a promise to my self that i will never touch the bankroll money untill the first of the next month,only if its a very big emergency
7.MADE A PROMISE TO TRY TO KEEP THE PROMISES :))))
I know it seems easy but TRUST ME IT SOOOO HARD to not get greedy....
I've tried and failed and lost big and won big until i GREW UP and realised that IN THE END ITS GAMBLING...
But there was another thing i've noticed(again this only applies to Alfa Street)...
If i make smaller bets and 7 out of 10 casinos would of given me profit...now a small profit yes, but it happened MORE OFTEN...
Every now and then i would get drunk(like a stupid idiot) and bet BIG and won in only 2 casinos which made me nervous and i lost all my winnings and my bankroll so i would wait for the next paycheck to play again :))) Oh and by the way NEVER BORROW MONEY TO PLAY NEVER EVER EVER EVER...i borrowed a couple of times from loansharks and friends and it is only a big sinkhole which will suck you in very fast...
Back to the story :)....So after that i started playing with more discipline and it all became statistics to me,no adrenaline,no excitement....but on the other side i made a small cash pile in the end of the month which was around 100 to 150 euros...almost half my paycheck...
Then i got greedy again and started making big bets and lost everything in 4 days....
So that happened a couple of times before i decided that i will have to maintain strong character and stick to the rules of my concept...
Statistically i had 9 months in profit and 3 in loss...Some wins were smaller than the other but the loses were very low close to the break even limit...my first whole year was profit of arround 1500 euros which i dont remember where i spent,but it is a real profit...:)))
Now maybe it has to do with my method of choosing numbers(you can see the method in the videos i made 2 years ago),or maybe its the discipline or maybe pure stupid luck but it works for me...I married and have a kid now and play only on weekends and with smaller bets but so far i had 3 months in profit and one in negative...the negative vas about 10% of my bankroll...i made arround 300 euros i will go on weekend in Greece with my family:)))....
Again i would like to say this: THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THESE ROULETTE MACHINES AND IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CORRECT BUT ITS A COLLECTION OF OBSERVATIONS FROM A LONG TIME ALFA STREET PLAYER...
The main thing i like to say is:
DONT BE GREEDY
MAKE A CONCEPT
SET GOALS
PLAY WITH DISCIPLINE
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: ITS A GAME OF CHANCE!!!
I know its a long text but i havent been on the forum a long time so i know not all of you agree with me but this is just the confessions of a long time automated roulette player(gambler)...Sorry for the bad grammar...
Regards,
Macedonian
Lats start:
from my experience in alfastreet roulette i know only one strategy how to win small or big because i have done it.
Let me first explain how i did come to this conclusion, and i know that alfastreet players will confirm what i am talking about.
The first time i put my money in the roulette i lose because i didnt watch what was going on as most of you, then i started thinking, what if i seat on the table opposite from where the ball comes out and observe.
I have noticed that the roulette have different speeds of throwing the ball and well speed so after only 30 spins i saw a pattern and when i play'd i hit the number and i say'd WTF THIS IS EASY I CAN WIN NOW BIG and i was just hiting number after a number.
The previous day a lost 200 euros and now its clear that I HIT THE JACK POT, NOW I'LL WIN EVERY NIGHT.
I come out with a lot of money, 850 euros only for 30 minutes playing WTF why i didn't see that previously.
The next day i got 250 more and that night i got 300 more!!! WOW i'm a winner.
So i had been winning for 4 nights in a row and i have been bragging about how i broke the code and how i know where the ball will fall on what number, the other players couldn't believe that i was getting the exact number or right next to the number, thay said that i am crazy and asking me how i did that. When the ball was coming out i was looking to the number from where it exited and just tell the number and every one just putting money on that number, every one was wining, strange isnt it, but true.
Well now let me tell you about the other story. I have seen a post from "MEMO" where he says FAT WELL and sure that was a FAT WELL i come out 2000 euros in a win for only 4 days, well thats a BIG WIN.
The next day i saw something strange ( and you guess what happened ) i saw the well and the ball going very slooooonolinksww.
But i didnt care because I AM A WINNER I CANT LOSE and thats what happend i lost 200 euros and go back home for more and lost again and go back home for more and lost again and come back home for more and every time i come back home i say i need to get my money back and i FU*KING LOST EVERYTHING even 500 of my own money, WTF NOW I'M A LOSER and every day after that i was losing from 150 euros to 250 every day and lost 4500 euros for 3 weeks.
I got disappointed, wtf am i doing and how to get my money back. Well let me tell you how i got them back.
First i make a promise to my self that i'll newer lose more than 10 euros per night and if i win ill go until the roulette kills my strongest hand, that was 100 or 150 euros.
So now let me tell you how you can win the alfastreet roulette!!!
1. The roulette have different speeds as you have noticed and some times the ball jumps out side of your FAT number ( fat means the most that you can put in a number )
You do not play when that is happening because you'll lose and if you dont believe me try it.
-when the speed of the well is in slow mode and the ball jumps from one side and over half of the well youll lose 100 % , yes you can get some numbers but most of the numbers are going to be at the smallest bet and youll notice that your bank is going lower and lower and you put more money in.
2. When the well goes faster and also the ball thats the moment that you are waiting AND NOT JUST BET as i will explain but observe where the ball lands and trust me you need to watch very carefully because i cant explain this one with words.
-example 1: if the ball come out from the 0 it will land in the 30 13 27 6 34 or 25 how i know that well ill tell you now: the ball in that mode most of the time falls after half of the circle and one third so thats the number 30, 13 or 27 ( alfastreet players will confirm that and thay know that is a FAT WELL if you hit the favorite number )
-example 2: how to test if its a FAT WELL or a HUNGRY WELL.
I have learned this tactic from a player by accident because he didn't want to tell anyone and it goes like this.
you are alone on the roulette and there are no player for a period of time and put only but only as i say ( only 5 numbers )
in the middle number you put 1.2 euros the 2 neighbors 0.24 euros and the last ones 0.10. ( this is an example of how it should be spread but the amount is by your choice the thing is that the percentage should be like that ) i didnt mention the number because it do not matter believe me or not.
So you should guess what is going to happen, yes if its a FAT WELL it will hit the number and youll end up with almost 50 euros for start but if it hits you on the second number next to the favorite one the roulette will give no more than 30 percent of your total bet every second hand you play, in that time the roulette is in the mixed mode and you can win from 50 to 80 euros in 3 hands and no more.
If the ball hits you in the last numbers you can play but there is a catch here, every time if you play for example small series and hits you on the last number of the series that means that it will take 100 % of all the money you have from your last win and your bet. And if the ball falls next to the last number DO NOT play any more.
To be continued...
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hmmm does it mean it will fall within 2-5oclock from where the ball cameout? hmmm ill check that out.
for me, i identify the dominant diamond and on the 8th time the ball passes that diamond i bet on that number and its neighbor. this. only works if the speed if the ball and rotor is fast.
You can't win long term & often short term, on any auto wheel because they are legally allowed to cheat the player. Cheat they do by changing the ball & wheel speed (if the game program needs to) to land the ball away from some bets (usually the bigger ones).
There is maybe one exeption to this & that is to play many machines (if available) short & sharp for only a few spins & then HIT & RUN to a different machine & repeat the same. Over on CC forum they are discussing this H & R play on Twin 2:1 bets = Dozens & Columns.
Auto wheels aren't true random dealer spun roulette wheels they are EGM's = Electronic gaming machines. Slots/poker machines are also EGM's. All non dealer auto games are EGM's. By design thet are allowed to LEGALLY CHEAT players as long as the return a high % back to the player(s) IN TOTAL & ON AVERAGE. Auditors don't worry about 1 player say losing 2,000 Euro's & 10 other players winning 1,900 Euro's combined, as the 95% (just for example) payouts have been made. It could be 98% or 94% I don't know ?
Now here's a hard part about these games. Ask the guy who lost 2K if the wheel is fair & he/she will probably say "F***ing HELL NO". Ask the other 10 & they'll probably say "Yep did OK came out nearly 200 ahead".... & also..."it's about time I won some money as mostly I lose on these ROBBING F***KERS". It's mostly because of the fact that most players SOMETIMES win that keeps most coming back in the hope of taking home some big money. That part is little different to dealer spun wheels, cards or horse racing etc. Apart from the ALL important fact being they aren't allowed to cheat.
I don't have proof that alfastreet or novamatic do cheat because I or you guys don't have access to a machine or the technical info to 100% prove it ?
I do have proof of another wheel maker that boasts on it's sales site that it "CHEATS". That maker is a big casino supplier = Cammergh UK. Logic tells me that if Cammergh has cheating technology then the other makes would have it too, because THAT"S WHAT CASINO's/BET SHOPS WANT & BUY. Smart Live Casino UK has Cammergh wheels & Cammergh airball wheels.
Visit Cammerghs site & have a look at their Slingshot 2 model & the RRS360 wheel. They also have a short video demo of it. Browse their products & see how a casino really works eg the marquee & all the spin/money management, including wheel bias & out of level wheels. They know well before any player writing down numbers for hours does & they take action & fix that wheel or change it.
Here's some of what Cammergh says, RRS = random rotor speed, air jet holes in the ball track = both to change the speeds. They STATE in relation to a natural spin - Slowing down the ball lands in 20B instead of 4B (= opposite side of the wheel). Speeding up the ball lands in 9R instead of 36R (= about 30% of the wheel away).
Because they know the physics = exact wheel & ball speeds, they then know which pocket the ball will land in = they can put the ball to any number they want.
No human could tell if the wheelspeed has changed from 20 RPM to 20.5 RPM or 19.5 RPM plus it's not much use as most of the CHEATING is done after the betting has closed & before the ball drops.
Most CPU's have at least 2Ghz speeds these days, that means 2 BILLION cycles of information PER SECOND. So all the needed information has already been processed in less than a blink of the eye as you sit there hoping to win your bet(s). On a % basis the game always takes more than what the players make on an averaging basis.
The game program is always JUGGLING the numbers on every spin as the bets & players are changing all the time.
They even have only have 6 diamonds on some wheels so they can miss them so to hit the target number. While talking about diamonds, why does Organic/Interblock have 18 big fat diamonds. Answer = They are ball guides to just 2 numbers & probably the one they don't want hit has air jet to keep it out so the ball goes next door & "VEEs HAZ A VINNA HERE, CONGRATS. ONCE MORE ITZA DA KAZINO".
Also have a close look at the build of most of these wheels. Compare them to a dealer spun wheel. They (the auto wheels) are usually bigger, have steeper ramp downs off the ball track & deep pockets to catch the ball, so little or nil bounce. Often you can see LED readers to measure the ball speed.
At the end of the day game play strategies are of no use when the wheel can CHEAT & avoid a players bets. You only have to see that in some of alfastreet MKD's words.
regards - ausguy.
Hi there. I'm new to these forums but like you guys have a fascination with roulette. I've been reading your posts and really enjoying learning so much.
I'd like to ask about this hit n run type of play. I appreciate your experience and expertise with most things roulette.
If I was successful at hitting and making a decent profit, say $300 to $500 per day. And smart enough to take it rather than give it all back early on, say within the first hour of play. Would the casino catch on to me and try to stop me from playing. Or would all those $100 notes pouring into the machines from other players be enough of a distraction to allow this to go on daily? This is hypothetical of course but possible I'm sure. I hope anyway ;D
I studied the wheel like macedonian said and it works for me, I make like 300 kunas (I m from croatia) every week (I go 3 times a week in a casino). It takes me like on average 30 min to get 100 kunas in 1 run and it is because i want to get the feel for the wheel first, and when I do then I start to bet. I m winning for a month now and I have set the limit 100 kunas in 1 run because I m too scared that casino will ban me. With that being said my question is will they eventually, like Lucylou said, catch up on me and stop me from playing, and if yes then how to avoid something like that? Is it better to go more frequently and winning smaller profit or go once a week or 2 and win big?