Hopefully this thread wont be threatened to be deleted as well... :punish:
Ok, please bear with me.
Lets assume that one day, someone, not me this time, contacts the forum and states that they have a winning system. They give it to 3 people on the forum that can do in depth testing over BILLIONS of spins and the system is a LONG TERM WINNER. It is the HOLY GRAIL!!! :yahoo:
So what is the next step?? Is the system released to everyone for free to play as much as they can in the next 24-48 hours. I say this because it should take the casino industry that long (if not sooner) to identify that roulette has been beaten, is no more profitable and then either CHANGE the rules of play or REMOVE the game completely. If you disagree with this, then you are not living in the real world!
Now after many many years of seeking the Holy Grail, it is found and proved worthless in 48hours!!! Is this the best way forward?
What should OUR (the forum members) approach be to such a system to make it profitable to all the members or as many as possible.
well if you sell it and it is the holy grail, word will get out you will make money for a second then like you said maybe the casinos stop so you may aswell just tell us haha :P
Let`s get 0ne thing straight. Roulette like may other casino games are a game of luck. No matter what hocus pokus any one serves on a silver platter it does not alter that fact.
People that have written books on the subject of roulette and at crack of dawn each day another cat proclaims that ONLY HE knows how play a winning method.
BEWARE OF SINGLE SYSTEM SCAMMERS !!!! BE on GUARD !!!
Here are a number of FREE systems.to chose from nolinks://nolinks.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/n5/mode/2up (nolinks://nolinks.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/n5/mode/2up)
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Let us not be 1 dimensional. Gents lets not get off topic here - the question is WHAT DO WE DO ONCE THE HOLY GRAIL IS FOUND?
Forget all the hullabalo about scammers etc... and roulette cant be beaten. WHAT IF IT DOES HAPPEN?
Do we still bicker about why it cannot, or do we plan for what to do when it does happen.
@wento - selling would NOT be an option unless you sell it for a ridiculous price of $10m or more and anyone buying a system for $10m or more would NOT give it out to many people unless they feeling very charitable, so in reality not many will get it
I feel that the forum members should decide/vote/put a system in place on what should be done if the Holy Grail is presented to certain members for testing and it is verified. Lets for once consider planning for success instead of being an eternal nay-sayer. And anyone presenting ANY system to the forum or any of its members for testing will then be bound by this.
Just food for thought.
@ Ben, if you do have a holy grail the a forum is the last place you should post it, as you said the game would be ruined for everyone on the planet, as a new member you also have no idea of who to trust, even if you show it to a few and they agree its a HG then what? as ek jou was, ek sal my mond hou
Hello Ben10 . .
Here's a couple thoughts regarding what one can do with a winning system.
First, I would not sell it. It would be priceless and mass distribution would dilute the pools and change the way roulette is played in the future.
I would not give it away. While I firmly believe in passing on good fortune and helping others, I also believe it is better to give a person a shovel and let him plant his own food rather than just give him the food.
What I would do is immediately share the system with my family and close friends, most of whom, need work and/or additional income in these trying times.
With other forum members, I would mentor them, just like I have been in the past. I have learned more from one mentor than from all members in this or any forum. I have learned to think outside the box with things like modulo arithmetic and pigeon hole theory.
While some may believe there is no Holy Grail, I believe we cannot learn too much. The more we know the better we become.
What a mentor can do is teach a full course in roulette, teach why progressions don't work, why event based systems don't work, show examples, give exercises to learn, and finally graduate the student when they arrive at a winning system.
Learning is a life long experience.
Nick
ben
Such systems exist in the real world. But they take so much work, no one would play them long term. They are like jobs. Gamblers want quick, easy money not a slow grind.
Now, someone tell me there is not one--not even one--person on the planet who makes his/her living from roulette. Since you can't tell me that, then that person has his/her own personal "Holy Grail".
Believe it or not, I once owned the "Holy Grail" of appliance sales and repair. Darn near worked myself to death!!
But to answer your question: Keep your mouth shut. Tell only your dog, and only then if you trust him!!
Samster
@superman - ek sal my mond hou maat
@nickmsi - some great suggestions but i would rather give my family members a portion of the winnings than showing them the system - loose lips sink ships. My initial intention for my first posting was to open dialogue with players and lead them towards my system without blatantly giving it all away, but the initial negative reaction was surprising
@twocatsam - thanks will definitely take you up on your offer for testing
BEN, I've already shared it. Because I knew that most people would
overlook it and dismiss it as too simple. Watch this: I'll do it again.
Roulette is a game of luck. There's nothing new in that. What works
is in taking advantage of changing conditions. You can use anything
that allows you to relate to these changing conditions. Then you
strike while in a condition of most likely advantage. You use a
method where only three wins reaches your goal. In other words
it's easy to win just three units per session. You have to determine
what's worth it for a visit to the casino.
It takes skill and playing experience to be able to take advantage of this
technique. That's singularly why almost everyone overlooks it. Most
people are looking for a simple to learn, life changing, ATM machine
type of a system that will give them what they believe must be out
there to discover. That quest is much like a self imposed set of blinders
that are worn by race horses. I've already shared the HG to see what
happens. Don't you think the real answer is far more interesting than
hypothesis and rhetoric inquiry? How long will it take to shut down
Roulette? The clock is ticking.
Ben . . . Always open to a dialogue about any strategy, system, method, or anything else that might shed some light on new areas to explore.
However, from previous experience, what often happens is that a thread is hijacked by members with their own confirmation biases about what roulette is, what it can and can not do.
But, don't let that deter you. Start a new learning thread and see what happens. If it gets mired down, then we can always switch to private learning modes but please, Do or Do Not. There is no Try.
Nick
Nick is correct. For many years you could not bring up an idea without
being personally attacked by pseudo math experts. "Past spins have no
effect on future events." It went on for years, a never ending mantra.
Meanwhile nobody was suggesting that they ever did. This digressed to
the point that most threads became hijacked. So far nobody has come
forward with a mathematical validated system that beats Roulette long
term. It's my personal belief that nobody ever will. But that will not stop
thousands of people from beating the game by non-mathematical means.
And that could lead to the scenario that you are suggesting in this thread.
Roulette has always been beatable. If a holy grail existed where all wheels can be beaten, it would likely apply to all gambling games in some form. So it would either be the end of casino games, or more likely, the casinos will just change the rules.
With methods that beat existing casino games, the casino only needs to monitor who the consistent winners are, and change whatever they need when those players are around. They know this, but the staff rarely do their job properly. After all its not their money they're protecting.
@Steve
I agree with your analysis - my current approach is to take R500-R1000 (rands) a day from the casino (about $100) and im sure im still way under their radar but $3000 a month is a great start and all I need to keep me in fine wine. If I ever get greedy then maybe $300 per day would be my max - and then I would be living like a King AND still under their radar
Some insightful comments and PM's sent which I will respond to in time.
My previous thread asking to be 'called out' on my system was/is threathened to be deleted within 48 hours if I do not give up my system - something like 25 hours left - i laugh at these cheap intimidation tactics and dont mind the thread being deleted now - no need for 48 hours - just proves my point! I still cannot fathom why an open challenge to people of the forum to prove me a scammer or the owner of the 'holy grail' is deemed against forum rules - how negative and naive - instead of trying to share some of my knowledge and opening up another line of thought I get threatened to be shut down :haha:
I guess this forum is just to keep the carrot dangling for all roulette players till eternity and not be more progressive and open minded - some people just know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING and its a waste of time to get into a pissing competition with them since it will be like pissing into the wind :whistle:
Until this thread is deleted too, I would advise people interested in interacting with me to do so via PM
Why can we not unite and work together for once - this reminds me of the story from the bible where man was trying to build a structure to reach God and how he failed :shout:
"I laugh at these cheap intimidation tactics and dont mind the thread being deleted now" >>> The only TACTIC was the one used by YOU. Hints and clues are BS and you know it.
Ken
@Mr J
posting the Holy Grail to a bunch of strangers is even bigger BS and YOU know it!!!
Thanks for DELETING the last thread... I guess my days are numbered here but I am NOT the biggest loser
Its a pity I could not have shared some of my knowledge with many of the members willing to learn a thing or three from me
RIP BEN 10 :diablo:
Its very, very, very simple.......do not start a thread saying you have a kick-a** method and we should all bow down or something. If you had *NO* intention of posting the ENTIRE method, FREE, the thread should NOT of been started.
Ken
Quote from: ben10 on August 16, 2012, 09:02:04 PM
RIP BEN 10 :diablo:
Why Oh Why Oh Why is BEN10 R.I.P. ??
Well this scammer has already got guys PM'ing him via this forum.
So it's job done, no cost to him & NEW potential buyers in the pipeline...... :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
Quote from: xman1970 on August 16, 2012, 09:18:31 PM
Why Oh Why Oh Why is BEN10 R.I.P. ??
Well this scammer has already got guys PM'ing him via this forum.
So it's job done, no cost to him & NEW potential buyers in the pipeline...... :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
Very true, I even think 48 hours is too much. He'll get his PM's from the suckers and I'm sure a few of them will send some money his way. Oh well, I cant help everyone. He's a scammer, we know that.
Ken
@MrJ
With all due respect, I have nothing against any of the forum members, I have been there and done that, got the t shirt and lost it gambling, so I understand the 'on guard' stance.
Im raising the proverbial white flag here - PEACE!!! Lets start again from square one.
I have a winning system that has NOT failed me - i strongly BELIEVE that this could be the Holy Grail. I have seen many systems tested via public testing - why can my system not undergo the same rigorous testing - without blatantly giving it away. Is this possible on this forum at all or should I just post systems that have FAILED me already or something I thought up whilst watching the clouds?
@xman1970
My first thread was deleted and I believed that all my threads would be headed that way, therefore the RIP poke.
As for the PM's people have offered to help me prove my system and in return gain insight into how I play - if they figure out my system on their own or by clues/hints that I leave to them then good for them. They will definitely be the first to tell everyone the day I ask for any renumeration.
Quote from: ben10 on August 17, 2012, 03:30:53 AM
I have a winning system that has NOT failed me - I strongly BELIEVE that this could be the Holy Grail. I have seen many systems tested via public testing - why can my system not undergo the same rigorous testing - without blatantly giving it away. Is this possible on this forum at all or should I just post systems that have FAILED me already or something I thought up whilst watching the clouds?
Ben, there's a test/challenge going on at the moment on the sister forum to this one (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.cc (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.cc)). Not sure if that's what you had in mind?
In the other thread you said that one of the conditions of the test should be that the spins be from a real wheel and in the public domain. The problem with that is that it would be very easy for someone with even a little programming knowledge to identify the set of spins which were being used, thus making the test null and void as a test. There is no evidence whatsoever that spins from a real wheel are in any way different from those coming from a fair RNG, unless you're using some kind of physics or advantage play?
Also, I'd like to know how much playing/testing you've actually done with this so-called holy grail - how many placed bets? (roughly). Time and time again we hear that some system is a winner but it turns out the claimant was merely having a good run, which came to an end... >:D
Quote from: ben10 on August 17, 2012, 03:30:53 AM
why can my system not undergo the same rigorous testing - without blatantly giving it away.
Has it occurred to you that every time you play your system, whether online or at a B&M casino, you are in some sense giving it away?
There's no way to avoid that. If the system is a winner it will be noticed, and depending on how complex it is, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that it could be reversed-engineered, maybe it's already happened? :spiteful:
Also, I'd like to know your motive for this - is it just so you can show us all what a genius you are for having conquered roulette? Or perhaps you're planning on selling it and want to prove to us that it's everything you say it is. If that's the case, it seems strange that you need to sell it at all, especially since you believe that if it gets out the casinos will change the rules. Surely it doesn't matter how it gets out, whether you give it away or sell it. Either way it will mean the end of roulette as we know it. :sarcastic:
The problem with that is that it would be very easy for someone with even a little programming knowledge to identify the set of spins which were being used, thus making the test null and void as a test. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,said Bayes
Bayes
That is why I offered the "real-time" test at Dublin. To my way of thinking, there is no way of cheating. Two, three, or more people could set screen capture software to see the numbers presented. In essence, he is waiting for numbers that don't exist at this typing.
Guys,
Just because something interests me doesn't mean I'm a fool. Thanks for looking out for me, but I'm fine!
Sam
@Bayes
Thanks for the insight
I have played almost 2000 REAL casino sessions (over the last year and a bit) and have not lost as yet
My profits are less than $100 per outing which is about 5 sessions so im definitely not getting noticed
If I dont get greedy and im not breaking any banks then the casino's should not be concerned about me and my system
As for reverse engineering, you have hit the nail on the head, that is one of my reasons for posting on this forum, so that someone looking for the holy grail can gain insight on how I play without me 'giving it away' blatantly - I also want some recognition that I have a real WINNING system :thumbsup: This is to show people that there are REAL winners out there and that not everyone is a scammer, more the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel so as not to give up looking for the 'holy grail'. At the moment I will interact with the guys that have PM'ed me and offer them some insight on where they should be looking, if they are not already very close by
I also believe that there can be several other WINNING systems that have been already found or can be found in future and it just takes a bit of lateral thinking to accomplish, some motivation per say
As for selling it, i addressed this in my 'deleted thread' Just to recap quickly, why would anyone sell such a system, I may be tempted too for $10m :lol: anything less and i can make myself, so selling is ultimately out of the question and a sure sign of a scammer :skull: (I may consider $9m too :lol: must be the scammer in me coming out)
As for the challenge, I have NOT tested against RNG, but I am willing to give it a bash - from my past tests of other systems, RNG results were MORE FAVORABLE and this may also be the case.
I am willing to prove at 100 sessions of RNG, if you are keen to interact and gain some insight PM me and we can take it from there. I just need someone that is going to be honest with the RNG numbers so my system is given a fair test and that is the only reason that I asked for REAL numbers already uploaded somewhere so that if a losing session is shown, i can confirm that it is a true reflection
Quote from: ben10 on August 17, 2012, 12:55:39 PM
@Bayes
Thanks for the insight
I have played almost 2000 REAL casino sessions (over the last year and a bit) and have not lost as yet
My profits are less than $100 per outing which is about 5 sessions so im definitely not getting noticed
If I dont get greedy and im not breaking any banks then the casino's should not be concerned about me and my system
As for reverse engineering, you have hit the nail on the head, that is one of my reasons for posting on this forum, so that someone looking for the holy grail can gain insight on how I play without me 'giving it away' blatantly - I also want some recognition that I have a real WINNING system :thumbsup: This is to show people that there are REAL winners out there and that not everyone is a scammer, more the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel so as not to give up looking for the 'holy grail'. At the moment I will interact with the guys that have PM'ed me and offer them some insight on where they should be looking, if they are not already very close by
I also believe that there can be several other WINNING systems that have been already found or can be found in future and it just takes a bit of lateral thinking to accomplish, some motivation per say
As for selling it, I addressed this in my 'deleted thread' Just to recap quickly, why would anyone sell such a system, I may be tempted too for $10m :lol: anything less and I can make myself, so selling is ultimately out of the question and a sure sign of a scammer :skull: (I may consider $9m too :lol: must be the scammer in me coming out)
As for the challenge, I have NOT tested against RNG, but I am willing to give it a bash - from my past tests of other systems, RNG results were MORE FAVORABLE and this may also be the case.
I am willing to prove at 100 sessions of RNG, if you are keen to interact and gain some insight PM me and we can take it from there. I just need someone that is going to be honest with the RNG numbers so my system is given a fair test and that is the only reason that I asked for REAL numbers already uploaded somewhere so that if a losing session is shown, I can confirm that it is a true reflection
--Why testing a winning method...this I can't grasp.....and btw-you can not teach most
ppl. here couse even you give them a winning method on the long run/did this and know what am about/they will test it,some drillions spins,and come with conclusion it doesn't work.
They wana a method that wins every spin,as othewise most wouldn't know how too or don't
play whatsoever anyhow.....my 2 chips
No matter how well anyone teaches a method nobody will pay any attention and still do their thing. To top itoff they think the martingale is the next best thing to sex. :ok:
Nathan Detroit
i win. but i can not guarantee that i will win. if the wrong numbers come out it does not matter what system u use. its mostly luck. trials mean nothing. when you put your money down. common sense will tell you a winning system is im possible. i am not talking about winning a dollar. what good is that. at least 150 dollars a session. picking six numbers you can make 40bets without picking a winner. good luck/
I am wondering how many suckers he caught in the net via PM or e-mail who will get shafted.
ND
The man has my e-mail and he has not even contacted me, let alone try to sell me something.
You see, Nathan, I never know where or from whom I am going to learn something. I like to give people a chance. He could be some guy who has the key to the mint and wants nothing but for someone to come forward and say, "Hey, he really does." Like Superman when he was a kid. Pop asked him if it was just about to kill him not to be able show the the jerks just what he could do. And he couldn't. And it was.
Sam
Sam,
I am patronizing casinos for 32 years. I am well set with my methods for EC, Dozens ( not just the ones in a straight jacket on the layout) , Columns ( as they are on the layout but only 2 of interest to me), A 22 number fixed action number system.Bankroll and Money management requirements for each of those above.
I did not pick up any of those methods in any forum. My reason for visiting forums is only for one purpose to find out what is the latest in casino equipment and how those changes affect me.
Not to forget to know what racketeers are running on line casinos. I don`t trust them at all. The complaints one hears speak for themselves.
Roulette is not my only casino game.I have added Baccarat , Pai Gow Poker and Video Poker to my arsenal.
It`s not what others can do for you,it is what you can do for yourself .
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Well, Sir, unlike you I have learned a lot on these forums.
To each his own.....
And HAPPY WINNINGS! to you
Sam
From what I read, this guy s method is played with a very steep progression. Given the right conditions, (very deep BR, high table limits and extreme luck), it is possible to win 2 000 sessions in a row. Thing is: he will lose it all in one or two sessions from hell. You can bet your sweet a... on it. The other thing is: anybody that has a little less luck could encounter that session from hell on his fifth visit to the casino.
Insidebet
@2CatSam
I apologise for the delay, was busy on skype with another member last night, will get in touch with you next
@insidebet
to recover my bankroll, I need to win about 30 sessions only - you can do the maths on just how steep it is and what 2000 winnning sessions has already done for me, its just a little bit more than luck if I may say so (read my post on optimising bankrolls)
It is just the point I am trying to make: htere are no way to "optimize bankroll" as you put it. Either you have a winning method flatbetting , or you don't. If you don't, there are no progressions that will you make you win on the long run. Think about it: 200 friggin years of trying systems with progressions!!! And still looking for one that won't crash. And you say you have found one?
This not to say that your method is not good. Just that progressions are very misleading and will cause your ruin on the long run. I have played stuff with progressions in the past. But that was just for the fun of it. I won and stopped playing that because I know it was just down to luck and good timing. Push your luck and it will ruin you.
Insider
Sir I beleieve you can do it and that your intentions are
not as some here claim.Been there and seen it useless.
Only insults,negative vibrations and mostly from these
that probably never top the chip in the casino.Follow this
phenomena for years now on these forums.And one of
those call self gurus took his part in this thread,but you
should know that this gent never seen inside Casino,may
be outside......LOL..... how do I know this?????
Next time maybe.
I dont know if you re refering to me. But it just plain useless to think that ANY kind of progression-based system will make you win.
I heard your type of comments a zillion times too. <<don t mind these negative comments. Those people have never made a bet in a casino, bla-bla-bla>> For your info, I have made well over 300 000 bets (almost all them flatbets, by the way). And I am way ahead. Can you top that?
Anyway, this not about you can piss further. This about logic, my friend.
Insider
If the holy grail was write on casino's walls , no one will really pay attention to it.
Manrique.
The holy grail Formula:
Bet less , risk less when losing...
Bet more , risk more , when winning...
Swarm.
Quote from: insidebet on August 19, 2012, 01:16:32 PM
I dont know if you re refering to me. But it just plain useless to think that ANY kind of progression-based system will make you win.
I heard your type of comments a zillion times too. <<don t mind these negative comments. Those people have never made a bet in a casino, bla-bla-bla>> For your info, I have made well over 300 000 bets (almost all them flatbets, by the way). And I am way ahead. Can you top that?
Anyway, this not about you can piss further. This about logic, my friend.
Insider
--Didn't mean you,but winning without a progression/there are new never seen on these forums/would be impossible.....flat bet that you are way ahead I don't believe couse no man
ever won flat betting on the long run.And that is a logic.
Bets like the EC at roulette or baccarat B or P ( Punto Banco for you in Euroland ) actually scream for the up and pull / regression method while some inside bets leave it up to the discretion of the player to use or not to use positive or negative progressions.
N.D.
Thanks for the insight guys, if the Holy Grail does NOT exist, then let me ride my luck to infinity and beyond...
With regards to optimising a progression, instead of winning the minimum to break even/profit in a progression step (like 3 units, then 12 units, then 1 unit, then 7 units etc...), look at winning an average of 20 units for EACH step. What this does is increase your initial bankroll, but also reduces the number of wins required to recover your progression bankroll in the event of a loss. Think about it first before commenting
Quote from: ben10 on August 20, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
Thanks for the insight guys, if the Holy Grail does NOT exist, then let me ride my luck to infinity and beyond...
With regards to optimising a progression, instead of winning the minimum to break even/profit in a progression step (like 3 units, then 12 units, then 1 unit, then 7 units etc...), look at winning an average of 20 units for EACH step. What this does is increase your initial bankroll, but also reduces the number of wins required to recover your progression bankroll in the event of a loss. Think about it first before commenting
There is really nothing to comment on so far ;D We had lots of posts like this before and nothing was really posted.
Quote from: Nickmsi on August 16, 2012, 10:44:28 AM
Hello Ben10 . .
Here's a couple thoughts regarding what one can do with a winning system.
First, I would not sell it. It would be priceless and mass distribution would dilute the pools and change the way roulette is played in the future.
I would not give it away. While I firmly believe in passing on good fortune and helping others, I also believe it is better to give a person a shovel and let him plant his own food rather than just give him the food.
What I would do is immediately share the system with my family and close friends, most of whom, need work and/or additional income in these trying times.
With other forum members, I would mentor them, just like I have been in the past. I have learned more from one mentor than from all members in this or any forum. I have learned to think outside the box with things like modulo arithmetic and pigeon hole theory.
While some may believe there is no Holy Grail, I believe we cannot learn too much. The more we know the better we become.
What a mentor can do is teach a full course in roulette, teach why progressions don't work, why event based systems don't work, show examples, give exercises to learn, and finally graduate the student when they arrive at a winning system.
Learning is a life long experience.
Nick
I won pretty much last month with mcmonaco's method & his system is public.
Quote from: J8 on August 25, 2012, 08:42:00 AM
I won pretty much last month with mcmonaco's method & his system is public.
Whats a system you played?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on August 25, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
Whats a system you played?
The 4-5 sectors system, there is a detailed description on the other website. I've had an 85% win ratio whenever I used it on the alfastreet aiball; I use my own adaptation-instead of 2 units on sectors (eg.:1 on 1-4 split & 1 on 7-10 split) I bet 80 units on 1 split of any sector (1ron=10 units=0.27 Euros) =>4.45 euros/sector. It's small, but slow & steady wins the race.:)
Hi J8,
where would I find the 4-5 sector system ?!? Do you know ?
I tried to find it but no luck !!!
Ray 8)
Quote from: rayhd63 on August 29, 2012, 04:53:18 AM
Hi J8,
where would I find the 4-5 sector system ?!? Do you know ?
I tried to find it but no luck !!!
Ray 8)
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=326.0 (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=326.0)
It's explained in the excel sheet from the 1st post here.
F_LAT_INO is mcmonaco.
Quote from: mcmonaco on August 19, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
And one of those call self gurus took his part in this thread,but you
should know that this gent never seen inside Casino,may
be outside......LOL..... how do I know this?????
Next time maybe.
FLAT, I'm pretty sure you're referring to me, so in the first place, I'm not a "self-guru" to use your phrase (which is obviously meant in a derogatory sense). Secondly, you can't and don't know whether I've been in a casino or not. So I'd like to know how you "know" this? However you know it, you're wrong, because I have.
I'd be the first to admit I'm not a regular casino goer because I prefer to play online. But the point is quite irrelevant anyway; you might have been to 1000 casinos and visit them every day, but still be a big fat loser (as most players are).
Your remarks are just pointless trolling.
QuoteI'm pretty sure you're referring to me
LOL, or me, who cares.
Quoteyou might have been to 1000 casinos and visit them every day, but still be a big fat loser
Well judging by all his methods and the amount of times they change/morph, he probably is just like most players, each to there own. Funny how one person jumps on anyone that plays RNG and keeps jumping at every opportunity, give it a rest unc
*edited by bombus the roulette world's fairest moderator*
Ok mcmonaco, that's enough of your trolling, and unwarranted accusations. You've been warned.
Quote from: mcmonaco on August 30, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
*edited by moderator*
Ok mcmonaco, that's enough of your trolling. You've been warned.
"edited by moderator"
Ok that's fair enough, I've been a moderator n to be honest not every member here is a saint......
BUT
Should we not know WHO moderated the post ?? & why ??
Or is it now like a company who's "helpline" reads :-
Donald Duck
Mickey Mouse
Etc Etc Etc.......
I don't think anybody here is the head of one of those $%^*£% banks.......
Would make a nice change IF the buck DID stop with someone......
For a $%£"^&$ change....... :thumbsup:
Quote from: xman1970 on August 31, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
"edited by moderator"
Ok that's fair enough, I've been a moderator n to be honest not every member here is a saint......
BUT
Should we not know WHO moderated the post ?? & why ??
Or is it now like a company who's "helpline" reads :-
Donald Duck
Mickey Mouse
Etc Etc Etc.......
I don't think anybody here is the head of one of those $%^*£% banks.......
Would make a nice change IF the buck DID stop with someone......
For a $%£"^&$ change....... :thumbsup:
I don't see how it makes any difference but it's all fixed now. :good:
Quote from: mcmonaco on August 30, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
*edited by bombus the roulette world's fairest moderator*
Yes, that's much better. ...and it optimizes this thread too.
Quote from: bombus on August 31, 2012, 02:08:56 AM
I don't see how it makes any difference but it's all fixed now. :good:
Thxs Bombus :thumbsup:
I like accountability.......
I have been away for a long time.I see there are still members who believe tot beat the EV.
My SSB-system looks like a HG. You bet on a sere of 20 EC . In the past I have placed the excelprogram here on the forum.
I have also described a HG based on a strategy. This HG beat the roulette,but is not very suitable to play
Try a M-sample. Compute every last 50 spins the difference between the numbers Red and Black.If the difference is + or - 15 flatbet one fiche opposite till you win one fiche and wait for the next opportunity. Stop the session after a hit. I guarantee you will never lost a session.
Whats a fiche?
Shoe,
Just for fun, I have tested a little over 5 000 spins of your latest strategy (+ or- 15).
I played all even chances. The result? Even! 336 placed bets. This is not a lot in that many spins. You would have to play this in B and M casino, where you could track many tables at once. Maybe +15 is a little bit on the hard side...
Also, I kept playing after a win if the score was still at +15 or more. It really makes no sense to stop. I"ll explain why.
Say you just hit and are +1. According to you, you stop playing and start tracking again, right? ok. Now someone who plays the same system as you walks in. He gets a hold of the last 50 spins. HE starts betting, right? The conditions are met, right? So how come this a good bet for him and not for you?
If only somebody could RX this. With the option of putting the trigger at 15 or number that you wish. I really would like to see this. Anybody with any kind of RX skills would this in a few minutes. (Not me! I can t program my watch...)
Insider
By the way, "fiche" is French for "chip"
Quote from: insidebet on September 03, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
By the way, "fiche" is French for "chip"
fiche & chips..... lovely! ;D
Quote from: insidebet on September 03, 2012, 09:20:39 PM
Shoe,
Just for fun, I have tested a little over 5 000 spins of your latest strategy (+ or- 15).
I played all even chances. The result? Even! 336 placed bets. This is not a lot in that many spins. You would have to play this in B and M casino, where you could track many tables at once. Maybe +15 is a little bit on the hard side...
Also, I kept playing after a win if the score was still at +15 or more. It really makes no sense to stop. I"ll explain why.
Say you just hit and are +1. According to you, you stop playing and start tracking again, right? ok. Now someone who plays the same system as you walks in. He gets a hold of the last 50 spins. HE starts betting, right? The conditions are met, right? So how come this a good bet for him and not for you?
If only somebody could RX this. With the option of putting the trigger at 15 or number that you wish. I really would like to see this. Anybody with any kind of RX skills would this in a few minutes. (Not me! I can t program my watch...)
Insider
This is based on Marigny de Grilleau theories but does not work. I like the theories but they are of no practical use
in roulette.
Insider
My strategy for the HG is only an example. In every strategy you need a trigger for to start and to stop. Every player can use his own triggers.My startingtrigger was + or -15 and the stop trigger was a profit of one fiche or jeton or chip.
This HG has no practical value.
QuoteI may as well add that I will never tell anyone my method, I won't even tell my partner in case she blabbed to one of her friends after a few glasses of red.
OK. I understand..... Quote "
NEVER" !!!
and then..........
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QuoteI will give you a clue without actually spilling the beans. Think about adding 2 outcomes together that arrive at the same answer...
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WTF is that.......
It was a hint as to what you should be looking at to crack the game. It is a far cry from the whole method that I play but it is a start in the right direction. I was trying to help that's all no need for WTF is there?
Hi Johnd,
So you're a 1960 baby eh?
Me too. :good:
Since you found your grail have you ever thought if I can win doing this, then other people must be able to win doing that?
Surley if there is one way to skin a cat then there must be other ways just as good. I've always thought so.
Nice idea laying your bets, but surely the fluctuating odds will have some impact on your bottom line, and what about draws? Or do you avoid team sports and fights that can end in draws?
Cheers.
Guys. Sorry to bump up this old post but are you still utilizing this? (https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinkss%3A%2F%2Fimagicon.info%2Fcat%2F10-3%2Fsmile2.png&hash=471c4bfde9a8eaaecc106f26429c893406565ad6)
Was Ben10 a South African???
"When I spin the wheel and the ball has landed on one number I see The Holy Grail in front of my eyes" by crypto :) can you see?
Control your losses and the winnings are being taken care of by themselves.
i cracked it!!! took me ages working out his clue!!!! when it clicked, i was kicking myself!!! johnd147 was actually very generous as its glaringly obvious. he is also right in saying its a step in the right direction, and thats where the real thought comes in but not that difficult.
i wont be giving it away either but if you do work it out, my advice is to play in spasms, roulette is a continually monotonous being and by playing in a continous uniform manner, it will beat you!