Hi there
I have a question that I in advance I thank someone who can give a comment on it.
I live in Portugal and my regular Casino has around 8 single zero roulette tables.
After reading Kimo Li book and memorizing the Pies ( not fully the stars yet ) I like the idea of it and I like to associate my playings dividing the wheel in two hemispheres ( pies 4, 6 and 8 and pies 5, 7 and 9 ) to create some play strategies.
The problem is the needed bankroll because minimum value chip is 5€ ( how much is the recommended minimum in units for a session? ).
Another question is that the roulette ball is changed hourly ( big ball vs little ball - as a ping-pong one ), And even in each ball launch the same is launched in a CW and then in a CCW direction.
Is this casino playable with Kimo Li strategies.? Must I separate stats for each ball results, each direction results?
Cam the outcome be biased ( or rigged? ) since it´s not so unusual to see straight repeats of 2 or 3 times the same number , even with the ball direction is changing? Sometimes in a toteboard with 12 numbers presented I see 6 to 8 outcomes only divided by two numbers ( is this normal? ).
How can I spot a rigged roulette/ball ( if possible ) by the way the ball falls, etc.
Hope someone can help, because Is the Govern collects around 50% of Casino profits ( monthly after all casino costs deducted ) I don´t thinks they check any kind of irregularities.
Hi,
I see that you like the Arrowhead and Boomerang System, otherwise called the Hemi I.
I play this strategy three ways:
First, I keep track of how many times the ball is falling in each half in a skip and run tally. Then, I break it
down further. I keep track of each Global Pie from each half. I then choose which Global Pie is due and I
bet it.
The second way I play it is in each half there are the A, B, C numbers. You can reference page numbers
46 and 47. I keep track of those sets as well. I would bet either the A, B, or C numbers.
The third way I play is I keep track of each star numbers. You can reference page numbers 48 and 49 -
14, 25, 36. So here's the strategy. After keeping track of which half of the wheel is "due", I determine,
for example, that Hemi 468 is due, and narrow it down to Global Pie 6 which leaves me with six
numbers to bet. I further narrow it down to the 14 Star numbers which are 17 and 27. Now if I'm really
ambitious, I would include the A numbers and narrow it down to the exact number of 17.
That is the way Kimo Li has taught me to think. I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
PT
Hi PokerTwist1994
Thanks for your reply. I like your ways of playing. I myself bet on the absence of at lest three plays on one of the hemis before betting on it. And then try to match my analysis of missed stars and colors in a continuous movement of 6 numbers multiplied 6 times in order to get a "full round" of 36 plays.
I like to play repeaters and numbers near by ( if 36 is a repeater I play it and also 13 and 11 ( p6s6 and p8s2 ).
But my main question, which I have not a response to, is to know if the changing of ball and the direction of it affects the results, and If i can consider the stats good for analysis prior to betting.
For instance in two hours analysis around 40 numbers were drawn, From this 20 for one side 20 for the other ( spinning direction ). And from this 40 half of them were with the big ball and the other with the small one.
Can I consider I have four ( 4 ) different stats inside the wheel or I treat them as only one stat?
That's my main question.
Regards.
Hi,
Casinos developed the cw and ccw spins because they have heard that there are individuals out there that can beat the roulette wheel and they are not taking any chances.
How does one counter the cw and ccw event? There are some players that keep track of each spin separately and others as a single event.
I personally keep track of each event together. However, within the analysis of the two events, I am able to extract six numbers that will hit within six spins. So how does anyone profit from a breakeven strategy? You put a little extra chips on numbers which you deem as the number of choice, like red numbers or low numbers, depending on your analysis.
Please post about 12 numbers from an actual cw and ccw roulette wheel and I will give you six numbers that "should" come in the next six spins. In all fairness, give the numbers to someone so they can verify that the numbers you post is true.
Kimo Li
Hi Mr. Kimo Li
Today I will post numbers after my visit to the casino in the afternoon.
Just don't understand when you say "In all fairness, give the numbers to someone so they can verify that the numbers you post is true."
Before posting any numbers please inform how can I do that.
Regards.
Hi,
By fairness, I mean you post 12 numbers. I will post 6 numbers that I believe will match one of your six numbers within six spins. Someone neutral needs to have the same numbers to verify the match, perhaps a moderator, any volunteers?
Kimo Li
patricius can pm me the numbers and I will verify if they match. I can't verify where the numbers came from, though.
Sounds like a plan, thanks Bombus.
Hi there Mr. Kimo Li
First 12 numbers ( from a total of 32 spins I already sent to Mr. Bombus).
They are results from a local casino from 6 pm to 7 pm. The ball (regular size ) was lauched CW and CCW and at around 6.30 pm dealer changed:
33
20
26
7
3
23
4
19
36
36
15
2
Thanks.
Patricius.
8
11
12
28
30
35
Hi there Mr. Kimo Li. The 12th is sent as number 2 is in real number 21. When I sent the numbers to bombus I separate the 12 numbers from the rest, There mistake I erased the "1" digit. ( don´t know if that would change in any way your 6 numbers choice).
Although my mistake at least one of your numbers hit in the next 6 spins, has we could see when bombus post the entire list of numbers.
Thanks to both.
Hi Patricius,
It does make a difference. I usually play per number. Each number determines what I should do. Base on the twelve numbers given, I would have waited for a better spot, targeting Global Pies 6 and 9 (6, 9, 13, 14, 17, 18, 22, 25, 27, 29, 31, 34).
However, given the circumstances, I would have gambled for 12 spins with the numbers given using an aggressive progression. If I miss, I would call it a day.
Bombus,
Please post only six numbers. I will post another set of six numbers. Thanks.
Kimo Li
31
1
11
30
10
30
3
7
8
23
35
36
Hi there Mr. Kimo Li
I'm amazed with your number choices and, as Mr Bombus can tell when displaying the following numbers, It was just after dealers change that your numbers hit at least one time.
My sincere thanks to you and Mr Bombus in help testing live results from the Casino near me.
My sincere thanks to both.
In hope that with Mr. Kimo Li book and all advices found in this forum I can be a better roulette player.
First of all, thanks Bombus for posting the numbers.
Patricius, the only way the choice of numbers would hit is only when the wheel is in perfect balance, only then true randomness can be conquered. If the wheel is bias, the random choice of numbers will not work, rather targeted sections would be the strategy of choice. Either way, the casino will lose their edge.
In answer to your original question, it matters with the cw or ccw direction, ball weight, and bankroll. The choice of strategy, meaning the choice of numbers, will counter anything the casino has to throw at you. In my opinion, the layout strategies are highly effective if you can correlate the numbers on the wheel with the numbers on the layout.
However, other methods play a role as well which incorporates physics, mathematics, quantum theories, etc. With that being said, it is a combination of all strategies which determine the outcome, not just one way of thinking.
In the case of the example presented, the Bow Tie strategy was initiated with the Global Star numbers.
Best of luck,
Kimo Li
Just out of curiosity I would play...
5
15
16
19
24
32
Bombus, if you could post the rest of the numbers.
Thanks and Best Regards,
PT
Hi all
Been a long time that i have seen a post from Kimo,or maybe im not here much :D
Kimo Li by your choise of numbers from both example you are playing only bowtie??
Guess maybe due to choice of numbers.
Seykid.
Like wise Poker twist :)
Quote from: bombus on August 19, 2012, 07:35:55 PM
31
1
11
30
10
30
Sorry for all the posts,but i would have been tempted to play
2
4
8
10
15
22
31
29
Kind of a habit,cant let go of the Nuke-lear power :-)
Ok looks like Kimo Li's finished so here are the last 8 numbers.
18
28
13
16
36
6
8
18
Nice one PT and Seykid.
Bowtie and Nuke choices.
Kimo Li
Hey patricius,
I'm interested if you could post 12 more numbers. :dance1: :dance1:
Thanks and Best Regards,
PT
Hi PokerTwist1994
All the numbers I gave, and that bombus posted, were the result of one hour spins at my local casino.
Unfortunately I don't keep spin data but in that day I went there intentionally to collect fresh numbers for Mr. Kimo Li.
Usually I test on permanence's data of other casinos ( that I find online ).
Regards.
Quote from: PokerTwist1994 on August 21, 2012, 04:46:01 PM
Hey patricius,
I'm interested if you could post 12 more numbers. :dance1: :dance1:
Thanks and Best Regards,
PT
Hi PT!
If you want to try I give you 12 spins first and then 6 spins series two times from Dublinbet, so totally you bet 2 times, anyone can participate if want? But Kimo is not playing, thanks! ;D
Regards Timo
Hey Timo!!
Great to hear from you.
I would love to give it a shot :smile:
Best Regards,
PT
Quote from: PokerTwist1994 on August 28, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Hey Timo!!
Great to hear from you.
I would love to give it a shot :smile:
Best Regards,
PT
Hi PT! Ok, here you are. =)
27
8
11
33
23
4
33
19
6
28
0
2
Good luck! :thumbsup:
Cheers!
Timo
Here are my numbers:
1
5
15
21
24
32
Best Regards,
PT
just a test.
3,35,7,25,17,27,13,1,33,5
Hi! Here are next six:
33
26
6
25
6
33
Your Bowtie was very close PT, good luck for next six both of you! :)
Regards Timo
17 18 21 22 31 32
nice! i got 3 numbers :D
24,16,20,22,17,13
18? 14?
Quote from: marvin on August 30, 2012, 11:32:54 AM
nice! I got 3 numbers :D
24,16,20,22,17,13
18? 14?
Good evening! Jep, very well played! :) Nice to see Kimo playing as well but now we must wait PT numbers.
Regards Timo
Wow live games challenge here. :-)
Nice...
Somethig to share about various strategies that kimo invented....
It was for a reason to suit all levels. Personally I find his nuke strategy most powerful and consistent.
That's a big hint. Thank you Kimo. You are a real genius man. I can't say this often enough. Lol.
Quote from: loungeplayer on September 01, 2012, 10:29:34 AM
Wow live games challenge here. :-)
Nice...
Somethig to share about various strategies that kimo invented....
It was for a reason to suit all levels. Personally I find his nuke strategy most powerful and consistent.
That's a big hint. Thank you Kimo. You are a real genius man. I can't say this often enough. Lol.
Hopefully it was money and time well spent on Kl teachings. I quite enjoyed the thread about Pies and Stars.
What could be explained in few posts dragged on forever but these disclosure issues...
The good stuff was probably only revealed to paying members which is ok if it makes sense.
Pity that we wont be able to find out if it really works. :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:
Sorry for the delay,
Numbers:
9 13 17 29 31 34
Thanks!
PT
Hello all! No problem PT :), ok here is last six numbers:
28
24
4
1
18
1
Thanks guys for participating this, maybe we can later take again if there is interested people. :smile:
Cheers!
Timo
geezzz.... i should have bet on 18 too.
Did you say 18? Hmmm.... Cha ching
Quote from: Kimo Li on September 01, 2012, 05:41:59 PM
Did you say 18? Hmmm.... Cha ching
yeah you got 18 but i also got 24 :D
Marvin,
You're pretty good at choosing numbers. Is it different when you are playing live, when you have a few seconds to make a decision per spin?
Kimo Li
Quote from: Kimo Li on September 02, 2012, 10:06:22 AM
Marvin,
You're pretty good at choosing numbers. Is it different when you are playing live, when you have a few seconds to make a decision per spin?
Kimo Li
How difficult is it to place a bet on 6 numbers if u have at least 25 seconds Kimo? Ever played on airball or live wheel online in your life or you only believe in playing at B&R casinos? ;D
Quote from: Kimo Li on September 02, 2012, 10:06:22 AM
Marvin,
You're pretty good at choosing numbers. Is it different when you are playing live, when you have a few seconds to make a decision per spin?
Kimo Li
Hey Kimo,
making a decision... yeah its a little bit hard sometimes especially when the ball is all over the wheel and its really hard to decide.
but placing the bet is relatively easy as i am looking at the wheel layout.
by the way i play on alfastreet air ball.
Robeenhuut,
As Marvin states, the decision to choose certain numbers is "a little bit hard sometimes" compared to just placing bets. Thanks for the clarification Marvin.
Regarding the layout of the wheel, decisions are quickly made knowing where the ball is favoring at any given time.
Kimo Li
Quote from: Robeenhuut on September 01, 2012, 12:41:29 PM
Hopefully it was money and time well spent on Kl teachings. I quite enjoyed the thread about Pies and Stars.
What could be explained in few posts dragged on forever but these disclosure issues...
The good stuff was probably only revealed to paying members which is ok if it makes sense.
Pity that we wont be able to find out if it really works. :scratch_ones_head: :scratch_ones_head:
"The good stuff was probably only revealed to paying members" Sorry but I dont think so, there is lot of to learn and free.. :)
Regards Timo
Quote from: Kimo Li on September 02, 2012, 02:28:02 PM
Regarding the layout of the wheel, decisions are quickly made knowing where the ball is favoring at any given time.
Kimo Li
yes I've read that part in your book about A & B.
still trying to absorb them, i am not really in a hurry to memorize the wheel :)
PS. yes i understand the benefit of memorizing the wheel :D
Kimo Li,
I've studied the wheel base layout. I was at the casino last night and someone asked me what strategy are you playing? I tried to explain it to him but I replied that you have to read a lot about you're work. So he asked me, if I knew any table layout strategies like red, black, o/e, first twelve, etc. And you know what, I don't.
So Kimo, do you have a strategy for table layout bets? Instead of wheel base?
Thanks!
&
Best Regards,
PT
Hi PT,
That's an interesting question, what a thought provoking idea. I have never posted anything that involves table layout strategy. It has been all wheel base principles.
My very first table layout strategy was a simple strategy. I would bet on double street bets, the 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36. I call these six-packs. Back in the day, you could not have any tracking device or paper and pencil at the table, so I used my chips as markers. I would place six stacks of in from of me. Each stack represented a double street. If any number comes in within a six pack I would move the first chip slightly to indicate that a number has hit within that stack. Using the process of elimination, I would wait for the last double street that did not come in and bet that double street. What I came to realize is that sometimes that six pack may not hit for a long time and essentially would lose a lot of money. Then I applied a progression, martingale, of course, made a killing, at first. Then, good old Murphy's Law showed up and got murdered using that progression. It was a simple strategy turned into a nightmare, stayed away from layout strategies since.
PT, you bring up a good point. Most people play simple strategies like even money bets, ie, red and black, odd and even, low and high, dozens, columns etc. Huh? I'll give it some thought.
Kimo Li
In the simplest of terms there is no difference and you can prove it to yourself.
Any 12/24 set of numbers will produce the same randomness characteristics in
charts. Things like sleeping dozens & singles will just occur at different times
than kimo's wheel based combinations. I know because I proved it to myself
with computer simulations. Knowing this has helped me like nothing else that
I have learned about this game. This was the experimentation that led me to
observing the randomness flow. That randomness flow is in every group type
that you create and in every table layout combination. The characteristics of
Roulette randomness is the holy grail of opportunity.
QuoteThat randomness flow is in every group type
that you create..
If that is the case then, wheel base numbers are grouped into every aspect as the layout. Therefore, the flow of randomness also applies.
So PT, to prove it, I will create a spreadsheet that will encompass not only the GPM wheel base numbers but the layout number options as well.
Kimo Li
Obviously the different groups will display different versions of characteristics at
different times. But the statistics on those types will come out almost identical in
tests using large number tests.
An experienced seaman will understand currents and waves no matter how 'random' the sea conditions are and still steer the ship to the destination he wants.
Kimo Li's unique ball movements concept, concept of timing (when to enter and exit) and matrix = A powerful guide that works every session.
It is just amazing once you get it. You will reach the shore you want, no matter how random the sea conditions are.
Quote from: Kimo Li on October 25, 2012, 09:52:49 AM
Hi PT,
That's an interesting question, what a thought provoking idea. I have never posted anything that involves table layout strategy. It has been all wheel base principles.
My very first table layout strategy was a simple strategy. I would bet on double street bets, the 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36. I call these six-packs. Back in the day, you could not have any tracking device or paper and pencil at the table, so I used my chips as markers. I would place six stacks of in from of me. Each stack represented a double street. If any number comes in within a six pack I would move the first chip slightly to indicate that a number has hit within that stack. Using the process of elimination, I would wait for the last double street that did not come in and bet that double street. What I came to realize is that sometimes that six pack may not hit for a long time and essentially would lose a lot of money. Then I applied a progression, martingale, of course, made a killing, at first. Then, good old Murphy's Law showed up and got murdered using that progression. It was a simple strategy turned into a nightmare, stayed away from layout strategies since.
PT, you bring up a good point. Most people play simple strategies like even money bets, ie, red and black, odd and even, low and high, dozens, columns etc. Huh? I'll give it some thought.
Kimo Li
Kimo i think American wheel its easy to play Table layout when i look at wheel to relationship with table.Example in more common in playing 12 numbers.Like line 1 and line 3,line 2 and 5,line 4 and 6.American wheel playing Pie 1 and 2 is more fun.You can cover 12 numbers with just 2 units.
Seykid,
I agree. It's easier to see the ball movement if you know the relationship of the layout and the wheel head. But, I'm going to create a spreadsheet that does not tie in with the wheel head, just pure basic bets: Even chances, 2-1, streets, corners, splits, etc., should be interesting because it will work with American, European, or whatever type of wheel.
Kimo Li
Quote from: Kimo Li on October 29, 2012, 12:12:57 AM
Seykid,
I agree. It's easier to see the ball movement if you know the relationship of the layout and the wheel head. But, I'm going to create a spreadsheet that does not tie in with the wheel head, just pure basic bets: Even chances, 2-1, streets, corners, splits, etc., should be interesting because it will work with American, European, or whatever type of wheel.
Kimo Li
But the spreadsheets where already doing it on certain bets,eg,Even chances,H/L O/E
I guess i can already see what it will look like :-)