All bets are flat , no progression.
As soon as overall profit is attained you start over.
Always eliminate a section (bet) when it hits.
Example:
If win on double street ... eliminate that double street.
If win on single street ... eliminate that single street.
If win on split ... eliminate that split.
To Start Betting
Look at the last outcome on the wheel and remove that dozen section from the layout.
Your left with 2 dozens ( 4 double streets).
All double streets are independent bets which must be played out till profit is attained.
Session is over when overall profit is attained or after 35th spin.
Betting scheme
1 unit for 5 spins on the four double streets.
Any double street hit within the 5 spins you eliminate.
Any double streets left over after the 5 spins are then converted into line bets for 6 spins.
1 unit for 6 spins on single streets.
Eliminate any lines if hit within the 6 spins.
Any lines left over are converted to split bets. If you don't have 2 adjacent lines to
form a split then use 2 separate lines and use a half bet on each number. Bet this for
6 spins also and eliminate one when hit.
1 unit for 6 spins on each split(s). Any splits left over after 6 bets are converted to
single numbers for 18 spins.
***
Anywhere along the way if you are at a new high start over.
Don't forget as soon as overall profit is attained or after 35th spin you stop and
start over.
Credit to Wannawin and Buffster. Thanks for a winning system!!!
Im sorry but are making a progression. You go from 1 unit for numbers (double street) to 1 unit for 3 numbers( single street). And then a spit...
This is a progression my friend.
Leroy
Why are you giving credit to Wannawin for this system ?
Buffster created this system many moons ago and Buffster ALONE !!!
Nothing against Wannawin...but give credit where credit is due.
Thanks
TTT ( Buffster )
PS ... You're welcome BTW
insidebet
Define progression ????
TTT ( Buffster )
Whwn you increase your bets.
If you bet one unit on a double street, and then you bet one unit on single street, you actually made a progression. You go from 1/6 unit on a single number to 1/3 on the same number. This is an increase in betvalue, a progression. Simple enough, me thinks.
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insidebet
In that case betting a single unit on 1 position for 1 spin could also be considered a progression. Lose start over...Win start over.
Progression of 1 unit eternally.
Tell me what ISN'T a progression bet.
Just trying to create a bet where you don't have to increase the value of your unit ... but rather play the different odds ( payouts ) to
achieve the same thing.
TTT (Buffster)
Quote from: TicTacToe on December 10, 2013, 01:50:53 AM
Leroy
Why are you giving credit to Wannawin for this system ?
Buffster created this system many moons ago and Buffster ALONE !!!
PS ... You're welcome BTW
My bad Buff. A million thanks. Your credited in the Subject Line and in the post.
When you play every day it's nice to have several different plays to break up the
monotony.
I was cruising your post history, seeing what other brilliant gems I could find,
and ran across RJ's "Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting
every spin". vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8929.0
Initial impression is this might trump your HG. :dance1:
Buffster,you are a superstar!!!!....the only problem is not the system!!!but we are the problem!!!!...we are never happy,we want more and more.......f**king game!!!
Hello Leroy!
Can you show this method on example? And what your last results?
Best regards.
Tic Tac Toe,
You are right: if you stay home and don t go to the casino, there is no progression!
After I dont know how many years, I never thought I would have to define the term <<progression>>...
Say one thinks numbers repeat more than they should (which they don t i can assure you). Anyway one bets one unit on the last number that came up all day long. This would be considered a <<system>> flat betting, or without a progression. On the other hand, someone else might have the same method but would increase the bet to 2 units after 35 losses in a row, and to 3 unit a little later and so on. This is clearly a progression.
Absolutely no progression will EVER make a losing method win on the long run. You will always encounter a session from hell and lose all the profits you have made so far, plus possibly your shirt and pants. (For God s sake, try to keep your underwear in place).
The method in this post clearly uses a progression.
Insider
insidebet
You state increasing bet size constitutes a PROGRESSION and flat betting ( staying at 1 unit ) constitutes FLAT BETTING.
In my method above do I increase my bet size ? No
Am I FLAT BETTING ? Yes
Am I using the different locations ( payouts ) to assure a positive result as much as possible ? Yes
Why are you saying this way of betting is using a PROGRESSION ? I don't know
And on a side note ... this is not a HG ... it's just a nice way of playing without increasing your bet size and still possibly leave with some nice profits.
Can it lose ? YES ... Big Time
So always be careful and use your judgement to get up and leave when ahead. DON'T GET GREEDY
Good luck to everyone.
TTT ( Buffster )
Betting scheme
1 unit for 5 spins on the four double streets.
Any double street hit within the 5 spins you eliminate.
Any double streets left over after the 5 spins are then converted into line bets for 6 spins.
1 unit for 6 spins on single streets.
Eliminate any lines if hit within the 6 spins.
Any lines left over are converted to split bets. If you don't have 2 adjacent lines to
form a split then use 2 separate lines and use a half bet on each number. Bet this for
6 spins also and eliminate one when hit.
A nice system but sorry no understand,
what about then if example 5 or 6 spins no hit, no eliminate streets or split?
TTT,
Yes you bet stays at one unit. But it goes from one unit on double street to one unit to a street, to one unit to a split. If you don t see that you are actually increasing your risk , i really don t know what else to say.
To use an extreme example, say I am betting one unit 35 unit on 35 different numbers (one unit each), and then I put 35 units on one single number, would you not say that my risk is more. The nunber of units bet is the same but the risk is vastly increased.
I understand that you say that you keep betting one unit. I got that, so theoratically speeking there is no progression. But the result is the same. You increase your risk because you are <<due>> to win.
Your other argument that you should not be greedy is complete BS. The <<walk away when you are ahead>> argument is completely irrational. What happens when you lose at the beginnig? Should you also walk away? If so, might as well go play poker or stay at home to watch the Flinstones!
If you have a winning method, play it flatbetting for as much as you can afford the inevitable losing streaks and for as long as you can spend the time. This is the best way to make some dough.
The <<make a little and walk away>> idea is relying essentially on timing, or, in another word, LUCK.
Insider
Everyone reading this thread ....
would you mind stating your opinion on the question at hand ...
Do you think the forementionned system is using a progression...
All bets are at same level ( flat betting )
Locations are the only thing changing ... using probability and not progression.
Thanks in advance
TTT ( Buffster )
I dont understand ...why need argue about right or wrong definitions...let will argue about this method ...can we make profit in overall.
Quote from: TicTacToe on December 12, 2013, 09:42:40 PM
Everyone reading this thread ....would you mind stating your opinion on hand ...
Do you think the [HG by Buff] is using a progression...
All bets are at same level ( flat betting )
Locations are the only thing changing ... using probability and not progression.
TTT ( Buffster )
1. If you lose 5 in a row you are down 20 units. ( 4 Double Streets)
2. At 3 losses I'm off this to ______.
3 Then off _______ and resume progression to HG by Buff.
1st Progression after 5 loses in a row is 8 units for 6 spins, another 48 Units.
2nd Progression is the split bets, then singles.
Progression means Increasing bet size and progressing down the losing path.
BUT, this system hits, and bets are removed. VERY seldom will you lose, you
have to learn the signs and make adjustments to go with the wheel.
3 Golden RulesRule #1 is play conservative with your money and aggressive
with the casinos. There are easier ways to win and use your
system from profit only.
It hits over and over again early on much more than it doesn't.
Rule #2 is do not bet against the streak, more than ?
Rule #3 is strict loss/profit stops, playing too long, in either direction, is not good.
A nice system and works good but you must remember and be careful that the roulette wheel has no memory... ;)
Could someone test this system on computer... example 10000 spins...
.Hi all
Where can I find the original post as mention ?
Many thanks and have a wonderful christmas
Merry Christmas Pedro,
I found it here,
betselection.cc/multiple-locations-13/holy-grail-by-buffster/
Actually, I wrote this back in 2003. Here's the original post at GamblersGlen.
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=988&forum=Roulette_Archive (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=988&forum=Roulette_Archive)
TTT
Buffster
Thanks very much
Quote from: TicTacToe on December 24, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
Actually, I wrote this back in 2003. Here's the original post at GamblersGlen.
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=988&forum=Roulette_Archive (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=988&forum=Roulette_Archive)
TTT
Buffster
It is rather funny. In your original post from 2003 you wrote "Merry Christmas to all"! And:" P.S. Anybody wanting to say this strategy belongs to them and wants to sell it....KNOCK YOURSELF OUT". :haha: As far as I remember I saw a similar system some decades ago in a German book.
Comparing your original post with leroy´s I have noticed a difference:
"If 2 adjoining streets are not available then decompose that street into single numbers and bet 1 unit on each" ((Buffster).
"and use a half bet on each number" (leroy).
A half bet? Surely that is not a progression. And if you have chosen the minimum bet at the real table, you would have to split the chip in two. The casinos do not hand out saws or hammers. Happy Holidays!
Hi Tictac,
You ARE playing a progression!! Look at it in a simplified form.
Bet 1 chip on double street 1-6 Payback 6 chips
Bet 1 chip on 2 streets 1-3 4-6 Payback 12 chips = 2 chips on DS
Bet 1 chip on 3 splits 1-4 2-5 3-6 Payback 18 chips =3 chips on DS
Bet 1 chip on 6 Nos 1-2-3-4-5-6 Payback 36 chips = 6 chips on DS
You can acheive the same result by INCREASING the bet on the DS.
THAT IS A PROGRESSION
Regards harry
potato patato
Merry Christmas
TTT
I don't know why you are contrary to admitting your Grail is a progression T.
If you lose the first 6 bets, 4 units each, you are down 24 units.
The next bet, on the streets, is an increase of 8 units per spin. Sure the unit
value never changes and the payout is higher than the Double Streets but it is
not enough to make a profit on the first or second hit. If your not in profit on
these in 6 more spins, removing any that hit, you will very likely hit the 35 unit
stop before, or shortly after moving to the splits it they don't hit right away.
Do I personally think this is a Holy Grail method of play? No.
After the following modifications I have never hit a 35 unit stop.
Holy Grail now? Perhaps. Ask me in 6 months when I quit my day job.
1. Wait til a dozen hits twice before betting.
2. Bet the other two dozens, 1 unit for 3 spins on the Double Streets.
3. Bet 1 unit on the streets for 4 spins.
4. Bet 1 unit on the splits for 3 spins, then move to the singles.
1. Remove bets as they hit.
2. Start over at a new high, unless it's only one unit.
3. Start over when you hit your stop loss.
This method of play breaks one of my three Golden Rules; never bet against a streak with a (semi) progression, and it kills me sometimes, but I only play it a couple times
a week. It works well enough to risk a little profit to have a different way to play
once or twice a week.
Why do you call it the holy grail. It's crap. I lost my entire bank roll on it
I quite like this system. However, i have a suggestion.
Instead of waiting for a Dozen to hit (or repeat) - so we know which other Dozens to bet on -
simply look at the board and see what the dealer is spinning, and go by that.
Some dealers will spin two same Dozens constantly, while others may spin all the Dozens alternatively. In the first case, we will want to bet on the two Dozens hitting. Well, this is just so to avoid the chase of a sleeper Dozen. Also, pay attention when there is a dealer change.