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Title: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 06, 2016, 01:45:16 AM
Hello All

Another strategy from my Armour which has witnessed only 1 loss in 200000 live Spins.

divide the table into 18 Splits. like 1/4, 7/10 etc.
Wait for a hit on all the 18 Splits. find the farthest back 6 Unhit Splits atleast 21 Spins away.

Bet on those 6 Splits for 12 Spins max with a Progression of your choice

Logic : 12 numbers i.e 6 splits not hitting in 33 consecutive Spins comes  once in 200000 spins which will be a loss. but you would you would increased ur bankroll 100 times by then.

with 0.25 min base unit. Bankroll reqd is 450 GBP.

Happy earnings.
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: nextyear on April 06, 2016, 02:33:11 AM
Thanks '75!
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: ice789 on April 06, 2016, 09:11:30 AM
example ?
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Perperikon on April 06, 2016, 05:30:29 PM
Hello TopPlayer1975,

Table limits in Dublinbe and Celtic are 1-10.Could you give an example for progression from 12 steps.
Thank you.


PS The expectation was to share this:
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on March 21, 2016, 09:24:06 AM
Hello Guys,
I am a new member in the forum and am a Professional Roulette player who makes a living playing this game. For me Going to Casino is  like withdrawing money from ATM, only difference being I need to earn before I can withdraw.

Hints for Critics who believe Roulette can not be beaten since they never discovered the Winning formula.
-- Only 9 numbers chosen from wheel sectors.
-- No spins recording.
-- No Progression
-- Nothing to do with table Layout.

Sounds good. See the screenshot of over 20 K GBP winnings as an evidence that what I am talking makes sense.

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Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Nathan Detroit on April 06, 2016, 06:19:03 PM
Whoever  plays that 9 number bet selection is a true master of the craft.
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: insidebet on April 06, 2016, 06:29:41 PM
Your "system" is a typical gambler' fallacy.
You play 12 numbers (or 6 splits) for 12 spins, not 33 spins.
Whatever happened before you start playing for real has nothing to do whatsoever with what will happen while you are playing.
Nothing in the game of Roulette is ''due''. So you find out very quickly that 6 splits can sleep for 12 spins more often that you think.

And AGAIN!  Progressions are NOT the solution.

You must find a numbers or several numbers to play that have a positive expectation.  There are ways to achieve that but, sorry to disappoint you, none of them are easy.

Some of us play for ''recreational purpose only'', and very few of us play to actually make some dough.  You can have it easy and lose some money.  That is perfectly alright as long as you have some fun doing it.  Or you can have it hard and make some.

Insider
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Nathan Detroit on April 06, 2016, 07:01:35 PM
Insidebet,



I am surprised that TopPlayer even came up with that  concoction.That belongs  into the brain fart section of ONE system  per day  so common at the sister board..


Back to reality . Our  live table minimums at B & M   casinos  start at $ 5 if we are lucky. Late afternoons , Evenings, weekends they start at $ 10.

Quite  different from the 25 c as posted. That besides another discrepancy as well.

ND
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Perperikon on April 06, 2016, 07:27:02 PM
GLC for progressions:


Quote from: HP on March 18, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
Another week of testing this system.
___________________________________________________________________
I reached my stop limit several times and after all, I broke even.
So far, no profits.
_________________________________________________________________

Quote from: GLC on April 01, 2012, 02:26:55 PM

I think this is the summation of all roulette systems.  They're all based on the same odds so if you play long enough.....


Some move at a fast pace and others at a slower pace, but eventually they confirm the above statement.


Here's how every system works.  If you flat bet, you will move up and down with a gradual drift downwards.


If you use a progression with no stop loss, you will win a ton of small wins but eventually you will hit the table limits and have to give it back.


If you use a progression with a large stop loss you will mirror the last statement except that you will give it back at your stop loss which you will eventually hit often enough to wipe out your winnings.


If you use a short progression you will mirror the last statement except that your stop loss will be reached much quicker and more often but with the same results of giving all winnings back.


Etc...


No matter how complicated you make your system it makes no difference.  It's just a matter of time.


The reality is that not only will you give all your winnings back, but most will give more than you won back.


Some will be lucky and always be a winner.  Most will win and lose but gradually lose more and more.  A few will be unlucky and lose from the beginning.


Maybe there's no reason for the 2,000th post.


I have gone to the dark side.


Peace to all and enjoy the friendships.  In the end, that may be all you have left.


GLC




Quote from: GLC on July 28, 2012, 12:21:48 PM
I can't say that there's a best progression for double streets.

But, my favorite for any location is the Penthouse idea.
111111222222333333444444etc...

Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 5 steps to the left on a win.  Any time you are up, start over.
You can contract or expand this bet line.  A contraction increases risk:
1111222233334444 etc...  More aggressive because bets climb quicker.
11111111122222222233333333344444444 etc... Less aggressive.

Another one that's pretty safe but involves some calculations is Lanky's 6 point divisor.  I can't say  that it's better than the Penthouse, but because of the safety brake feature, it can be controlled somewhat.

A really bad strike rate for an extended number of spins kills all progressions, it even kills a flat bet.

I will add that a safety brake can be applied to the Penthouse progression.  All you have to do is set up a list of bet lines like the following:
111222333444555etc...
11112222333344445555 etc...
1111122222333334444455555 etc...
111111222222333333444444555555 etc...
11111112222222333333344444445555555 etc...
111111112222222233333333444  you get the idea.

If you're bet sizes start getting too large, you just drop down the chart a line or 2 or more and it will keep you bets more manageable.  If you have a hot streak you can move back up the chart so recovery doesn't take the rest of your life.

For more than 1 double street, you can tweak the above bet lines by shrinking the number of bets at each level.

Example:  for 2 double streets which is really a dozen the basic Penthouse line is 111222333444555 mover 1 to right on loss, move 2 to left on win.

Nothing is fool proof.  Any progression has it's pros and cons.

I hope this has given you a couple of ideas.

GLC

P.S.  A really aggressive line is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 etc... move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 5 steps to the left on a win.  Reset when in profit.
This can be used for any bet.  The only thing that changes is how many steps to the left you move on a win.  2 for a dozen bet, 11 for a street bet, 8 for a corner bet, 1 for an even chance bet.
So as not to bore you, I'll point out 1 more line.  I call this the high roller's line.
1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 etc... same movement rules as the others.  You must have a big buy-in to play this line, but it also can win a lot of units "post haste".
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Nathan Detroit on April 06, 2016, 08:05:39 PM
I only believe in  positive progressions like the 2-1-2 Up and pull  progression . Example 2-1-2-3-3-5-1. ( For EC)
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Or the general Charles Guetting progression.( also positive)
( Dozens, columns, Quads)

Both methods  to  be played with a strategic exit policy for winning  and losing.


For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk ..
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: insidebet on April 06, 2016, 09:49:36 PM
Nathan,

Sorry about brushing you the wrong way a little while ago.

What do you call ''progressive'' progressions?  Why do you believe in those?  Just past experience or something else?

Insider
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 07, 2016, 02:36:33 AM
I am an advocator of playing 9 Sector numbers which is not easy for All to play.

Nathan, Inside bet
6 Splits strategy is for new players and this works since its very hard see 12 numbers and that too 6 splits on table layout to disappear for 33 consecutive spins.

Agree this is not foolproof, I only play 9 numbers sector dynamically which cant be explained since it needs focus, concentration and years of practise in Live Play.
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Perperikon on April 07, 2016, 03:32:15 AM


Regression betting on trends


John Patrick
Posted 05/16/12

”Let me see if I can bring the Regression BACK to where it belongs....s the greatest (yeah, I said greatest) betting method in the Universe ....for the simple reason is that ONE win wraps up a SERIES Profit as soon as thea first single solitary win is official......

I read your last post and honestly got confused halfway thru it as the moves were totally contrary to what I laid out way way way long ago ....before my hair turned to silver and my Uncle Charlie was unhittable....before I could go from first to third on a grounder to the pitcher (naturally I usually forgot to touch second when there was only a home plate umpire, but that's another story.....)

The Regression was the best.....before the tail (NBA players) wagged the dog.....(Owners of the league....)

Even before gifted athletes played in the NFL for the sport (and of course the money)....and did not get paid to maim their opponents .....and get off with a slap on the wrist....

Even before baseball players were considered major leaguers and considered stars if they hit over .300......popped 40 dingers.....won 18 to 20 games and had completed games of over a dozen.....(or before todays "stars" hit .247.....steal 7 bases, drive in 62 runs .....and can go 2 months before getting arrested for smacking their girlfriend (while Mom is home with the 4 kids .....

Or a pitcher only has to win 9 games......get to the 6th inning 4 times all year.....and hold their ERA under 4.50 and get rewarded with a contract of 135 trillion for 2 years .....

even before the casinos screwed the patrons by dropping the payoff on BJ to 3-2 (soon to be even money)......allowed the dealers to hit soft 17's took away surrender and bumped the minimums to $25 tables ....

Yeah.....the Regression system was "handed" to you people on a gift wrapped platter....to get you to change your idiotic way of betting ....and the method is NOT rocket science ....it is simply LOGIC.....tied with a nice red bow.....

And STILL the math people try and distort the reasoning behind the HOW and the WHY I put it all into a simple little bundle of GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before I go over the LOGICAL simple approach of this great "happening"......let me refer you opeople to a great great post (in this very thread)......and all you have to do is go back to the near beginning of the thread and rad the post by James M. Kehl......it was done on 12/11/11 (that's December 11th, 2011 for you math people who have trouble with simple LOGIC....

it was one of the best posts I ever read on the subject and simplicity of grasping a Theory ....and of course James did not receive any acclaim from these so called math wizards ....becaue it was so could ....they could not understand it .....but James enlightened any who wanted to read it ......

So, I will not be able to top his post ....but maybe I can swing even one single solitary person away from the gar bage of those who "refuse to leave the method alone"......because of the very simple statement ......"if it ain't broke....don't fix it"....

Here is the Regression system in all it's GENIUS .....

1) You're at a $10 minimum table ....

2) First bet is $20 (as long as it is higher than the original bet......)

3) You lose the first three hands or 3 out of 4 and you leae that table.....

4) But say you win that initial $20 SERIES bet ......

5) Dealer slides over $20 in chips to you.....

6) You have just reached the totally, absolute NO LOSE SITUATION for that SERIES....you cannot lose any money for that SERIES....impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7) In a space in front of your SESSION money, so as to keep track of the ongoing SERIES, you pull back your original $20 bet and half (in this case $10) of your winning $20...

8) You have your original $20 back, plus a profit of $10 in that set aside space reserved for that ongoing SERIES....

9) Plus you have $10 in action on the board ....so that IF IF IF you lose the next hand....you are a $10 guaranteed winner for that SERIES....

10) But suppose you WIN that second hand of $10....the dealer slides the winning amount next to your $ 10 bet ......

11) You immediately go to UP and PULL.....you take the $10 and with $5 of it you raise your next bet to $15 ( you UPPED your bet)....and the other $5 of the $10 profit is brought back to your SERIES pile.....

12) At this point you have your $20 starting wager back ....and a profit of $15 for that SERIES....and a $15 wager on board....

13) If you lose you are up $15 for that SERIES....

14) If you win that $15 wager....the dealer slides $15 next to your bet ....and the options are starting now .....

15) You can NOW....raise your next bet to $20 and pull back $10.....OR raise your ongoing wager to $25 and pull back $5.......OR .....pull back the whole $15 profit and bet $15 again.....OR.....pull back the $15 PLUS $5 from your wager of $15 and have $10 going on the next hand.....

You into UP and PULL....but there is a STIPULATION....You HAVE to pull something back to the SEREIES profit pile ....anything you want ....but you HAVE to pull back a profit .....and on the other hand you do NOT have to add to the UP part of the equation....you can bet the same $15 or go down to $10....so it is alright to decrease or increase or stay the same with the wager .....the MUST is mandatory that you get paid for evrey winning hand (your choice...but something!!!

16) For the sake of clarity lets go to the move of UP to $20 and PULL BACK $10.....you are STILL in a no lose situation.....even if you lose that present $20 bet .....

17) But suppose you win that $20 wager ....the optuions again come up.....go UP to $25 and pull back $15.....OR go up to $30 and pull back $10.....or go UP to $35 and pull back $5....or PULL back all $20 profit and bet $20 again.....OR pull back profit plus another $5 and bet $15 .....OR pull back $20 payoff and an additional $10 and bet $10.....

In the case of that REgression move ....you already had your $20 original wager back....plus a profit of $55 for that open SERIES and still a $10 bet in action.....

I could go on all day (is that a song title?????, also from the past?????) but hopefully you get the drift ....and as I said it is pure LOGIC....my 7 year old granddaughter got it the first time around ......and is now booking her own game of BJ in her second grade class....(with a 5% payoff to the teacher of course .....well, she's learning)

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, what is so hard about this Theory ....or better still ....what is better than it is.......... in its own original version?????

Outside of the Rocky SERIES and perhaps the Steven Speilberg STAR WARS Epics.....show me one version of spinoffs to SERIES that made it big .......

Which is why I turned grey so quickly (at the age of 33 )....when I see my main contribution to the gambling world be tinkered with.....

Regression after the first win is the key....and it Works to the point I put you in a no lose situation right out of the gate....and then the amount and number of double and triple regressions is up to each individual ......

I USE MULTIPLE REGRESSIONS ....since I hate to lose and love piling up the profits as the STRING of wins roar on.......

I can tell you this......the worst case scenario to anyone who gambles....is to finally catch a nnice streak of winning hands of 5-6-7-8-9 etc .....and without the use of GUARANTEE and EXCESS .....which is UP and PULL in a simpler point of view.....when the streak finally ends.....

and you die as you see the dealer scoop ALL of your winnings back to HIS pile......

Yet a simple application of UP and PULL would ahve left you with a smile on your face ...... "



JOHN PATRICK
nolinks://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/post/regression-betting-on-trends-5616713?highlight=regression+betting+trends (nolinks://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/post/regression-betting-on-trends-5616713?highlight=regression+betting+trends)
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The Guetting Progression
nolinks://nolinks.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html (nolinks://nolinks.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html)
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: impair on April 07, 2016, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 07, 2016, 02:36:33 AM
I am an advocator of playing 9 Sector numbers which is not easy for All to play.

Okay, know how, please, please... :-)
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Nathan Detroit on April 07, 2016, 09:45:18 AM
Insidebet,,

I am playing  John Patrick`s Up and pull  method for quite a number of years  (about 27 years)

My thanks go to  Perperikon who  forwarded  a post by John Patrick  who gave such a detailed description  of the 2-1-2 Up and Pull.

Happy Winnings !
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: JLP on April 07, 2016, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: Perperikon on April 06, 2016, 05:30:29 PM
Hello TopPlayer1975,

Table limits in Dublinbe and Celtic are 1-10.Could you give an example for progression from 12 steps.
Thank you.


PS The expectation was to share this:
?

6 splits is like playing on a dozen or column.

So for Dublinbet :
0.25 - 0.25 - 0.50 - 0.75 - 1 - 1.5 - 2 - 3 - 4.5 - 6.5 - 10 - 14.5
Bankroll = 268.5 = 270 units.

Last 12th bet on 14.5 is above the table limit (10) , so just put 2.25 on each number to complete it.

:biggrin:
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: JLP on April 07, 2016, 09:34:14 PM
Quote from: ice789 on April 06, 2016, 09:11:30 AM
example ?

It took 48 spins to complete all splits.
:biggrin:
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 10, 2016, 03:16:57 AM
JP,

You didn't quite understand this, 6 Splits is same like playing a dozen, you wait for the same not hitting for 21 spins and start playing once there is a hit.

Same as waiting for 37 spins and playing All the sleepers 12 to 14 numbers once any of them wakes up.
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 10, 2016, 03:17:47 AM
JP,

You didn't quite understand this, 6 Splits is same like playing a dozen, you wait for the same not hitting for 21 spins and start playing once there is a hit.

Same as waiting for 37 spins and playing All the sleepers 12 to 14 numbers once any of them wakes up.
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: JLP on April 10, 2016, 03:34:56 AM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 10, 2016, 03:17:47 AM
JP,

You didn't quite understand this, 6 Splits is same like playing a dozen, you wait for the same not hitting for 21 spins and start playing once there is a hit.

Same as waiting for 37 spins and playing All the sleepers 12 to 14 numbers once any of them wakes up.

According your first post I thought you wait for the 18 splits to hit before you look for the 6 unhit splits further back 21 spins till the precise moment all the 18 splits numbers were spun (track completed).
Well, that changes things.
:good:
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 10, 2016, 03:54:00 AM
Yes JLP you are right, as you mentioned all the Splits hit in 48 spins in your testing, then u look for farthest back 6 Unhit splits atleast 21 spins back and then start betting once any one hits, then bet all the 6 Splits together
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: JLP on April 10, 2016, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 10, 2016, 03:54:00 AM
Yes JLP you are right, as you mentioned all the Splits hit in 48 spins in your testing, then u look for farthest back 6 Unhit splits atleast 21 spins back and then start betting once any one hits, then bet all the 6 Splits together

Ok.Thanks.

Question :After the complete tracking which kind of  splits you select further back 21 spins ??
Splits that have hit before 1X , 2X or 3X??
I guess splits 1X, but what do you think.??
And do you play for only 1 hit or go for multiple hits??
Is no sense waiting for so long to go for only 1 hit.

Taken from the example :

Split   Track
1//4   xx
2//5   x
3//6   xx
7//10   x
8//11   xx
9//12   xx
13//16   x
14//17   x
15//18   xx
19//22   xxxx
20//23   xxxx
21//24   x
25//28   xxx
26//29   x
27//30   xx
31//34   x
32//35   x
33//36   x

8)
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: JLP on April 10, 2016, 07:52:19 PM
Hi TopPlayer,

Do you have a better Tracking Sheet for this method??
Someone??

:)
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 11, 2016, 11:30:00 PM
Hello JLP

once all the 18 splits have hit atleast once, you will pick 6 Splits farthest back atleast 21 spins away.

Play on All 6 of them for 12 spins Only

will share the tracker as well..
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: JLP on April 12, 2016, 02:00:56 PM
Now I wonder for the waiting till all splits spun, maybe we can use the counterpart in between.
I clear the idea.
Wait for 24 spins and track the splits that have hit only 2 times and play it for 12 spins (from spin 25 to spin 36) or track untill spin 30 and bet from spin 31 to spin 42.
This is using the law of third on splits.But this is just an idea to integrate your method on a global betting and for not waiting so long.
;)


Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: JLP on April 12, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Example.
Permanence taken from :
nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/dublinbet-2013-2/dublinbet-31-08-2013-2/permanence-table (nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/dublinbet-2013-2/dublinbet-31-08-2013-2/permanence-table)

Bouleâ–¼   Numero    
C2    C3 
1   35      
2   11         
3   26      
4   22      
6   8         
7   13      
8   30   
9   19         
10   17      
11   18   
12   22         
13   29      
14   9   
15   8      
16   20      
17   28         
18   23      
19   4         
20   2      
21   30   
22   3   
23   17      
24   31   
-----------
25   17W   
26   8      
27   35      
28   31         
29   29W      
30   16         
31   9   
32   30W   
33   16         
34   24   
35   11      
36   21

Split  Track
1//4   x
2//5   x
3//6   x
7//10   
8//11  xxx
9//12  x
13//16 x
14//17 xx
15//18 x
19//22 xxx
20//23 xx
21//24 x
25//28 x
26//29 xx
27//30 xx
31//34 x
32//35 x
33//36

;)
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: marvin on April 15, 2016, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on April 06, 2016, 06:19:03 PM
Whoever  plays that 9 number bet selection is a true master of the craft.

hey ND,

i played 8 numbers, am i a master too like you guys are?
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 23, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
JLP
This is a one of the sessions which I played:

Numb   Splits
36   33&36
2   2&5
12   9&12
34   31&34
9   9&12
26   26&29
13   13&16
35   32&35
1   1&4
2   2&5
10   7&10
22   19&22
31   31&34
19   19&22
17   14&17
3   3&6
7   7&10
1   1&4
10   7&10
9   9&12
6   3&6
After tracking for 21 Spins, there are exactly 6 UnHit Splits i.e 8&11, 20&23,15&18, 21&24,25&28, 27&30

28 comes Now betting starts at next spin.
6 Lost 1st bet
27 Won 2nd bet.

This is how I play and once won, remove the farthest back number in a split and restart once there are exactly 6 Unhit splits after 21 spins, no need to do start from scratch again.

I won over 200 sessions with this, max progression went up to 8th level so far.

This works on all Unbiased wheels and you can test on your own, I had been playing a 9 number bet but that is very tough to play on Online casinos, Will play only when I am at any Land based casino, Getting Old now hence not getting much time to travel to casino and play since tables are slow.. I play on Bet365, Betfair, ladbrokes and 32 Red these days, Don't play this on WH, I didn't get good results there.

Before playing, I first test with atleast 1000 spins and then churn out the money big time

Cheers and enjoy winning, this is not for recreational purposes rather serious professional play.

Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: impair on April 24, 2016, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 23, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
Don't play this on WH, I didn't get good results there.

thank

"WH" is William Hill casino, yes?


(I'm a beginner and I do not have money)
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: mogul397 on April 25, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 07, 2016, 02:36:33 AM
I am an advocator of playing 9 Sector numbers which is not easy for All to play.

Nathan, Inside bet
6 Splits strategy is for new players and this works since its very hard see 12 numbers and that too 6 splits on table layout to disappear for 33 consecutive spins.

Agree this is not foolproof, I only play 9 numbers sector dynamically which cant be explained since it needs focus, concentration and years of practise in Live Play.

Hoe long does it take to find a set up?  And that is an even payout bet, right?
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Mortagon on April 26, 2016, 08:25:49 PM
Quote from: Perperikon on April 06, 2016, 05:30:29 PM
Hello TopPlayer1975,

Table limits in Dublinbe and Celtic are 1-10.Could you give an example for progression from 12 steps.
Thank you.



Quote from: JLP on April 07, 2016, 08:19:39 PM
6 splits is like playing on a dozen or column.

So for Dublinbet :
0.25 - 0.25 - 0.50 - 0.75 - 1 - 1.5 - 2 - 3 - 4.5 - 6.5 - 10 - 14.5
Bankroll = 268.5 = 270 units.

Last 12th bet on 14.5 is above the table limit (10) , so just put 2.25 on each number to complete it.

:biggrin:

:nono:


TopPlayer,
Is this your caring advice for inexperienced players?



Just for the record:

Dublinbet - Low Limits

   INSIDE BETS

STRAING UP    0.10-1.00
SPLIT              0.10-2.00
TRIO               0.10-3.00
STREET           0.10-3.00
CORNER         0.10-4.00
SIX LINE         0.10-6.00

   
   OTSIDE BETS

DOZEN           1.00-15.00
COLUM           1.00-15.00
EVEN              1.00-30.00


Celtic - Low Limits
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on April 27, 2016, 12:18:08 AM
Mortagon,

i have given the Online casino names where to play bet365, betfair, 32Red and ladbrokes.
If the progression is above table limits then skip 2 levels and play 10 levels....
if win comes within 2 levels then retrack... simple....

Why not go to the real casino record 1000 spins in 3-4 days, test it and thwn play big time?????
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Mortagon on April 27, 2016, 04:28:36 AM
Ok.I wish you success.
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: ice789 on April 28, 2016, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 23, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
JLP
This is a one of the sessions which I played:

Numb   Splits
36   33&36
2   2&5
12   9&12
34   31&34
9   9&12
26   26&29
13   13&16
35   32&35
1   1&4
2   2&5
10   7&10
22   19&22
31   31&34
19   19&22
17   14&17
3   3&6
7   7&10
1   1&4
10   7&10
9   9&12
6   3&6
After tracking for 21 Spins, there are exactly 6 UnHit Splits i.e 8&11, 20&23,15&18, 21&24,25&28, 27&30

28 comes Now betting starts at next spin.
6 Lost 1st bet
27 Won 2nd bet.

This is how I play and once won, remove the farthest back number in a split and restart once there are exactly 6 Unhit splits after 21 spins, no need to do start from scratch again.

I won over 200 sessions with this, max progression went up to 8th level so far.

This works on all Unbiased wheels and you can test on your own, I had been playing a 9 number bet but that is very tough to play on Online casinos, Will play only when I am at any Land based casino, Getting Old now hence not getting much time to travel to casino and play since tables are slow.. I play on Bet365, Betfair, ladbrokes and 32 Red these days, Don't play this on WH, I didn't get good results there.

Before playing, I first test with atleast 1000 spins and then churn out the money big time

Cheers and enjoy winning, this is not for recreational purposes rather serious professional play.

wait vitrual win

and bet 8 progreesion ?
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: mogul397 on May 03, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 06, 2016, 01:45:16 AM
Hello All

Another strategy from my Armour which has witnessed only 1 loss in 200000 live Spins.

divide the table into 18 Splits. like 1/4, 7/10 etc.
Wait for a hit on all the 18 Splits. find the farthest back 6 Unhit Splits atleast 21 Spins away.

Bet on those 6 Splits for 12 Spins max with a Progression of your choice

Logic : 12 numbers i.e 6 splits not hitting in 33 consecutive Spins comes  once in 200000 spins which will be a loss. but you would you would increased ur bankroll 100 times by then.

with 0.25 min base unit. Bankroll reqd is 450 GBP.

Happy earnings.

I did some testing on this in Zumma.

The first thing that caught my eye was where you say to wait until all splits
show up. A red flag. Not sure how long I'd have to wait for sleeping numbers,
and then how big a bucket of splits I'd have by the time I got them all.

If you can speak to this then go ahead.

But I generated a small excel grid with all the splits so I could check them off and
not go mental or blind. What I was noticing were 2 things, kind of.

For sanity sake I was listing the checks in groups of 6. I guess cause that's
the group for the betting in this.

1) You could design it by playing/adding to the current group of 6 and win.

2) You can look at the previous group of 6 and play those.

Either of these within 6 bets I suppose. You miss the occasional group of 6 so
I suppose you can do a mild progression. There is good leverage on this.

Like I noticed, when you practice it these repeats jump out.  An easy way to
find repeaters.

I attached the excel grid if interested.  Makes it easy on the nerves.

And any comments about the original system quite welcome, but this doesn't
look like a bad idea.
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: mogul397 on May 03, 2016, 11:01:11 AM
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on April 11, 2016, 11:30:00 PM
Hello JLP

once all the 18 splits have hit atleast once, you will pick 6 Splits farthest back atleast 21 spins away.

Play on All 6 of them for 12 spins Only

will share the tracker as well..

If you play them for 12 spins and it is like playing 2 dozen, how does the math
work out to make money?  Are you playing a progression every spin?
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on May 19, 2016, 10:25:32 AM
Yes Mogul397, Playing 6 splits is like playing a dozen but you will play once when the Dozen went missing for 21 times and then appear once. How many times have you seen this in the Live Casino?????

Out of the 22 systems shared by me so far in this forum, my 6 Splits system is the most rewarding and Bread earner for me, Made 45K with this so far in the past 3 months.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on May 20, 2016, 01:48:38 AM

Yes Mogul397, Playing 6 splits is like playing a dozen but you will play when the Dozen went missing for 21 times and then appear once, you start betting now upto 12 times with a progression...

How many times have you seen this in the Live Casino?????

Out of the 22 systems shared by me so far in this forum, my 6 Splits system is the most rewarding and Bread earner for me, Made 45K with this so far in the past 3 months.

Cheers, :)
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Nathan Detroit on May 20, 2016, 01:28:28 PM
I am not impressed  with the amount if your  stated winnings.

At times your losses made you feel rotten on the way home from the casino.


Your style oif play tells me  a lot.

Fortuna soon takes what it has given. You   have   experienced this  many times over.


Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: TopPlayer1975 on May 20, 2016, 01:55:04 PM
No Chance Nathan, I test every wheel for atleast 1000 spins before playing 6 splits strategy.

Trust I have no reason to bluff or exaggerate in this forum since I am not selling anything rather just sharing my winning method of waiting for a dozen to start playing once it goes missing for 21 spins and start playing upon firsr appearance....

How manytimes  have u seen a Dozen went missing for 21 spins?    Your honest answer will make you a fortune.

my good fortune had made me big 45.265 K as I am typing now...

Cheers and time to get away with your Wash0000 system now
Title: Re: Robust Strategy for Unbiased Live Wheels Obly
Post by: Nathan Detroit on May 20, 2016, 02:59:45 PM
Thanks for your reply. Glad to hear that you are testing well in advance ..


Please  bear in mind that the WASHOO2 is  only for the 0/00 wheel .







HAPPY WINNINGS ! ! !