Forum guys,
I have the Roulette Holy Grail so as everybody can make money in Real Casinos and genuine Live Casinos.
Have made profits close to 500K with this system
Can provide proof as well.
If anybody interested and have a bankroll of 600 Units to play and win everytime then pm me.
Cheers
If it's a gift, why not post here? Luring players to a private discussion is what scammers do. That's why it's against rules.
You can sell here, but openly so you can be put under the microscope by more experienced members.
Valid Point Steve, My intent was for the players who can afford 600 units and experienced.
Anyways here is the Gift not a scam since I am professional player and playing this is my source of income.
This system is basically playing on 5 numbers i.e 2 *2 neighbour of every number hit.
here is the procedure, track 18 spins without a single neighbour number hit and then bet with 31 steps progression.
test and post results only for live casinos.
No microscope can beat this system..
31 steps progression ???
Are you mad??
That 5 numbers can sleep for so long.
8)
bankroll of 600 Units
How on earth do you come with this bankroll using a 31 step progression??
You are betting with nickels and how you won 500K with this??
500k of nickels??
:scratch_ones_head:
JLP
You didnt read properly. its a neighbour numbers and a dynamic bet wherein 5 numbers change every bet and 2*2 neighbour of last number hit.
betting starts when no neighbour hits in the last 18 consecutive spins. minimum bet unit is 0.10 p.
Test and post results over a million live spins data...
Cheers
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I am not surprise you won. If you do progressive with any 5 numbers, different at each spins, during 31 spins, you have 99% chances to win. When you start with a lot of money, it is very easy to generate more money :), but the chance you lost everything always exist.
Your method is trying to tell us than the neighbours have more chance to come but you have to wait for 18 spins without neighbours. What a joke??? Lol. If the neighbours have more chance to come than other numbers, you will never play lol. And if 18 losing spins happen often, clearly the neighbours don't have more chance to come than any other numbers and if 18 spins happen a lot, clearly you have no guarantee to win...
Ghost888
playing neighbours by waiting 18 misses is a time consuming task hence wait time reduces by tracking 4 to 5 tables, here i am talking about missing neighbours for 49 consecutive spins and if that happens i will lose only 600 units since I play 31 steps progression starting with 0.10 pence base unit witha reasonavle 20% profit goal a day.
99% winning chance is a clear edge over house .
test this over a million spins data and let me know the results. i play on slingshot and live dealers only.
trust Roulette can only be beaten with progression or unless you find a biased wheel.
This system is a guaranteed winner
Definately neighbours have the max chances to come hence you get very few betting opportunities, i tested it over 43000 spins and we only 4-5 betting opportunities in every 500 spins. tracking multiple tables reduce wait time..
The 9 number neighbors according to V.B. Bethell`s Monte Carlo Anecdotes and systems might be played with $ 5 per ,number.
That amounts to $ 45 per selected spin. Bankroll $ 2,000.--
This 9 number method has been observed being played by a professional gambler. Flat betting only. Key to selection not known.
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on November 01, 2016, 12:27:53 AM
JLP
You didnt read properly. its a neighbour numbers and a dynamic bet wherein 5 numbers change every bet and 2*2 neighbour of last number hit.
betting starts when no neighbour hits in the last 18 consecutive spins. minimum bet unit is 0.10 p.
Test and post results over a million live spins data...
Cheers
betting starts when no neighbour hits in the last 18 consecutive spins. minimum bet unit is 0.10 p.
Neighbours of what number??
The first number of the 18 consecutive spins??
Neighbours of any number hit all the time. :rtfm:
And after the 18 spins you play changing neighbours as each new number spun?? :scratch_ones_head:
You better put an example permanence to understand the play.
8)
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 01, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
The 9 number neighbors according to V.B. Bethell`s Monte Carlo Anecdotes and systems might be played with $ 5 per ,number.
That amounts to $ 45 per selected spin. Bankroll $ 2,000.--
This 9 number method has been observed being played by a professional gambler. Flat betting only. Key to selection not known.
Nathan Detroit,
I will look on that.
Thank you.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 01, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
The 9 number neighbors according to V.B. Bethell`s Monte Carlo Anecdotes and systems might be played with $ 5 per ,number.
That amounts to $ 45 per selected spin. Bankroll $ 2,000.--
This 9 number method has been observed being played by a professional gambler. Flat betting only. Key to selection not known.
If flat bet :
2000/45 = 44 betting opportunities.
In other parts the author say he prefer betting on Hot numbers rather than sleepers.
I then guess the bet selection would be when 3 or maybe 2 of those 9 numbers neighbours hit on a window of no more than 6 spins to consider it a hot sector.
8)
Here is what you do:
Google in : Christian Kaisan Wiesbaden you tube.He is that well known German roulette pro .
You will notice that he is doing quite a bit of recording something into his note book. Could be numbers I presume. What else.
P.S> The bet selection MIGHT be as you stated in post # 12 above.
Thanks TopPlayer1975. Now, I am sure that your method will work but playing once every 500 spins is something that I really cannot do...
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 01, 2016, 04:28:32 PM
Here is what you do:
Google in : Christian Kaisan Wiesbaden you tube.He is that well known German roulette pro .
You will notice that he is doing quite a bit of recording something into his note book. Could be numbers I presume. What else.
P.S> The bet selection MIGHT be as you stated in post # 12 above.
Hi Nathan,
Checked the video.
I could analize the play on some portion of it.
Last 10 numbers on marquee : 19.5.23.11.36.
31.0.
22.12.21 ........... Next
22There are only 2 numbers that forms a sector where he next bet.
I am not so sure why he select 22 as the pivot for the neighbours.It could be 31 too.
Check the pdf attached.
But in other parts he bet on 2 and only 1 number.
8)
JLP
Neighbours are always of the last number hit and forget about Kaisan since he bets based upon the wheel speed, acceleration, decleration and DS. I have extensively researched on his way of play.
Nobody can imitate his play hence dont waste time.
Test my neighbour method over a million spins and let me know if you face a single loss.
Cheers,
JJLP and TopPlauyer
Thanks for your input regarding C. Kaisan.
Quote by TopPlayer*********Kaisan since he bets based upon the wheel speed, acceleration, decleration and DS. I have extensively researched on his way of play.************
This is exactly what I had been told by another source who had met Kaisan at a table in the Las Vegas Bellagio.
Now back to the New Year gift of TopPlayer.
Nathan Detroit
good to see that you concur with me Nathan.
Nobody can imitate kaisan and he also loses as soon as the rotor speed changes.
To me any system based upon wheel sectors with a sound bankroll for negative progression and a set profit goal IS a good long term system.
For my part I am a recreational casino player. Bet selections from the EC, 22 action numbers, and Dozens/Columns .
Even before I enter a casino I have made my selection for that visit
To me there is only one kind of a bankroll which is the PROPER bankroll based upon the table minimum tomes 40 x 3 equally divided into 3 sessions with an attempt to win 2 out 3 sessions.
NO negative progressions. Strictly adhered to exit strategies.
Hello Nathan
We play opposite, My bankroll is 1200 times of the first bet i.e 50 p total on 5 numbers and I only play to win max 20% of the bankroll for every visit.
For me progression are the key to win the game.
Cheers
Our casino moguls want at least a $ 5 min.Then at noon the min goes up to $ 10. The lowest table min I have ever encountered was at Binions Horse Shoe in Las Vegas . That was 25 years ago $ 1 min.
Let me ask you one question what is the table MAXIMUM where you play.?
Banker Baron Rothchild told the ( ca 1895) owner of the Monte Carlo Casino if you remove your Max limit I shall own the casino. Never happened.
Our casinos here in the USA offer great food at well known restaurants on the premises . Great Bars to relax in an array of stage shows with well known entertainers .
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on November 02, 2016, 02:38:42 AM
JLP
Neighbours are always of the last number hit and forget about Kaisan since he bets based upon the wheel speed, acceleration, decleration and DS. I have extensively researched on his way of play.
Nobody can imitate his play hence dont waste time.
Test my neighbour method over a million spins and let me know if you face a single loss.
Cheers,
The problem is nobody understands how to play this, unless as I said before you put an example permanence.
8)
JLP
Here is an example, say the last number spun by a dealer is 15, neighbour is 0,32,15,19,4, next number is ,1 neighbour is 16,33,1,20,14 and so on
you wait for 18 misses for any neighbour number being hit in the next spin and then start play. Now say after 1, number 16 comes which is a neighbour of , then tracking starts again.
hope you understand.
Cheers
Progressive bet is the key, I agree at 100%.
I am also sure at 100% that you can make a lot of money with your method but I would do something different if I were you. I would not wait for the 18 misses lol, you would make your 20% win much faster :).
1st reason: When it is time for neighbours, just play. They can come 5 or 6 times in a row and you are just missing that...
2nd reason: You are taking the risk to play the neighbours when they don't want to come, so really not the best time to play them. But at the end, you will win anyway: what is the odd to have 31 spins without one the 5 neighbours lol :) .
3rd reason: If you don't believe to my 2nd reason, i.e. to my argument that it is not the good time, that would mean that the next spin is not related at all to the previous ones, so why wasting your time to wait for 18 losing spins because at the end it would have no impact on the future 31 spins lol.
I believe that waiting or not for the 18 losing spins, you will win in any case :), except if you are so unlucky or if the casino is cheating you.
Ghost888
You never know when neighbours time will come, Max I saw them sleeping for 40 consecutive spins Once.
Timing is the biggest challenge, somwtimes they come in quick succession but who knows when they come
After 18 misses betting 31 times means Neighbours missing for 49 spins which I have yet to see.
Roulette is based upon probability, we cant get the same number in all 37 spins just by thinking that every outcome of spin is independent from the previous outcome.
Cheers
Let's say for example the neighbours don't come 31 times in a row once every 10,000 spins and as per your experience, they don't come 18 times in a row once every 500 times. So they won't come 49 times in a row every 10,000 * 500 spins which looks so big and that's why you fell so comfortable.
But it is just illusion because you play only once every 500 times. And when you start to play, there are already 18 misses in a row, so the chances that you get another 31 misses in a row is once every 10,000 spins, exactly the same as it was before you wasted your time waiting for 18 misses.
If your technic really works, that's mean you win for example 10,000$ before losing your 600$ base (18 + 31 = 49 misses in a row). Let's say for example it took you 500 days to reach 10,000$ and to lose once 600$. You played once every 500 spins so if you played every spins, it would have taken you only one day to reach your 10,000$ and to lose 31 spins in a row. So, you feel much less comfortable because in one day, you lost 31 times in a row. But who cares, you already won 10,000$.
Trust me, if your technic really works by wasting your time to wait for 18 losses in a row, it will work also if you play every spins.
And if it fails to work without waiting, that's mean it will also fail to work by waiting but you just didn't see it yet because you are only playing once every 500 spins lol
Hello Ghost888
Plead read my posts properly, I had said that for any table on am average we get 4-5 betting opportunities in every 500 spins, tracking 3 to 4 tables reduces wait time.
Missing neighbours 18 times in a row and then betting for 31 times with a progression is working for me based upon my testing of over 45000 spins without a single loss.
Everyday i just play for a target of 20% of my bankroll.
As mentioned earlier i have seen neighbours missing for 40 times only once. If we dont wait then we lose bigtime by playing every spin.
Missing upto 25,30,35 times is pretty common.
Cheers
I didn't write down the numbers correctly (by being lazy) but I understood you perfectly well and I believe everybody else understood that you are just wasting your time by waiting for 18 misses in a row.
And when you are saying we are going to lose big time by playing at everything spins, it is exactly the same as saying your method is garbage and you will lose big time if you use it :diablo:
My math was pretty simple.
Now, give me only one reason why playing when the neighboors are cold is going to inprove the probability to get one?
I can give you some reasons why it could decrease the probability to get one (instead of improving).
For example, the way the dealer is throwing the ball. Exactly the same way everytime so if he misses the neighboors for 18 spins, most likely he will miss them again much more than touch them.
Another example, a lot of players are playing the neighboors so the dealer is purposely targetting any other areas.
Or even without the knowledge of the dealer, the casino can rig the results if a lot of players are playing the neighboors.
Now, when you are saying you didn't face any single loss in 45,000 spins. Is it really 45,000 spins or only 450 spins (yes, because you are playing only 4 or 5 times every 500 spins so once every 100 spins) ???
If you wait for 300 misses in a row, you can guarantee that the probability to lose is as close as possible to 0. But the probability to win is also as close as possible to 0 as you will never play... LOL and so when you are finally playing after 300 losses in a row, your probability to win is just exactly the same as if you chose to play at any other spin. You are feeling good because you knew that if you played before you would have lost. But again, it is just an illusion because 300 losses is one time in a life time so if you chose to play at any other spin, the probability that you chose one of the 300 ealier spins was as close as possible to 0. Comprendo? LOL
Now, your method modified so that it will work much better.
So same: play progressive bets on 31 spins by betting on the 5 neighboors.
Every 6 or 7 losses in a row, switch table and casino. So, if you fall in the neighboors mood, you can win a lot of times (maybe 5, 6 times in 10 spins) and when the neighboors are cold on your actual table, you should just leave the table and pick another one to pursue your progressive bets.
By selecting your other table in another casino, you are sure that the casino cannot cheat on you and you will take advantage of the lucky spins after a new deposit :)
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on November 04, 2016, 12:08:22 AM
Missing upto 25,30,35 times is pretty common
Sorry, one last thing. If you follow the probability, you ahould get one of the 5 neighboors every 7 spins.
So, when you are saying it is pretty common to miss the neighboors 25,30,35 times, you are in fact saying it is pretty common that the neighboors come much less often than any other numbers :diablo:
So, why again do you want to choose the 5 neighboors and not just pick any 5 numbers different at each spins (different at each spins is just to make sure you are not picking sleeping numbers) ?
Ghost
You have not understood the fundamental point that betting is on the Neighbour of the last number hit by waiting for last number and its 4 neighbouring numbers missing to hit AGAIN in 18 spins.
I find pretty easy with the progression playing neighbours, you may chose your way.
I only play in Real life or Live casinos of repute where there are 100 of players on the table. Your cold neighbour theory is invalid and i disagree that All Live Casinos cheat.
Finally my system is a free Gift. Unless you test and get a Single loss of bankroll, then only cooment and share the Spins.
Ihave already won over half a million pounds GBP using this without a single loss so far.
Cheers and enjoy winnings.
TopPlayer
I am trying to save your money here.
You don't see your whole method is falling apart. You are going to lose everything if you lose 31 times in a row and you are saying it is pretty common to see no neighboors for 35 times in a row!!!! Think please before to talk.
You believe you are safer because you waited for 18 misses in a row. So, yes, based on your experience, you have about 100 times less chance to lose. But your winning are going 100 times slower also, so at the end, the balance between your win and your lose will be exactly the same. So, if you believe you are going to lose everything by playing at every spins, I can guarantee you 100% you will lose also everything by waiting for 18 misses in a row.
Easy example, I saw once no black during 53 spins on live roulette. So, if I take your theory, I just need to wait for let say 45 black misses in a row and be able to play progressive bet for 8 times in a row and be sure to win as we never seen more than 53 misses in a row with millions of spin. 0% chance to lose, correct? True, I can watch millions of spin without losing.... but big problem, unfortunately, no win neither. The truth, I saw only once 45 times without black in a row (the same time I saw 53 times without black of course) so if I waited for 45 losses in a row, I would have lost my 8 next bet. So, based on my experience, in one time out of one, we would have lost everything even if the chances to get 53 losses in a row were really close to 0.
Now, luckily for me, I was betting on the hot colour as always and I won almost 50 times in a row (if we remove the two times the 0 came out).
I want to hear the truth from you. Your target is to win only 20% of your bankroll which is really not a proof at all of a winning method. To call your method a winning method, you need as a minimum to be able to multiply your bankroll by 5 before losing and being able to repeat a lot of times. So, were you able to win 25 times 20% of your bankroll to make it once 5 times??? To be honest with you, even if you said yes, I don't believe you.
I have been able to multiply my bankroll 858 times so far without a single loss.
believe it or not but I dont care, maybe I am lucky
Anyway, you don't understand anything to the stats.
I was the only one believing in your method before you started to argue with me that if your method is really working, it has to work even if you play at every single spin. Statistically, it can't be different and based on my experience, waiting time will even make the things worst and worst (possibly because of the reasons I gave earlier).
But now, I am 100% sure nobody will believe that you won 858*600$ with a starting bet of 0.5$ and by playing only once every 100 spins (or 20 - 25 as you are tracking 4, 5 tables at a time).
Again, if I get your numbers wrong, it is by laziness. I don't want to read again your posts to verify your numbers but contrary to what you keep saying, I totally understood perfectly your method since your post number 1.
And if you limit each of your session to 20% of your bankroll, so you already did almost 3,500 winning sessions but few days ago, you were still giving other methods and looking for winning methods. So, when did you start your method and when did you have time to do your 3,500 winning sessions???????? Please try to be realistic in your lies LOL
So, as foreseen, some corrections in my numbers: your starting bet is 0.1$ and not 0.5$ so it is even worst than what I said.
And your winning sessions required to win what you said you won is 4,300 winning sessions and not 3,500. So, again even worst that what I said.
With big lies like that, I am sure you lost all credibility forever in this forum LOL
I am surprised that he does not use any elements of VB or bias in this method he posted as a gift, but he said not long ago that only ways to beat a roulette needs to be based on them.
+If someone can p;lay with a minimum of 50 cents then what is the table MAX ? What kind of a casino are we dealing with?
Our most reasonable B& M casinos require a minimum of at least $ 5 but that is usually during off hours with hardly any traffic.
I don`t think those 50 joints are threat to MONTE CARLO or the RITZ in London. LoL.
I saw some rng roulette which could go from 10 cents to illimited.... but of course they were rigged. And once I complained to a casino their Rng roulette was rigged, they completely changed it and they installed restrictions lol.
Usually, the restrictions on live roulettes are also less important than on real roulettes... but more restreint than on rng roulettes...
Thanks for the explanation.
ND
Quote from: ghost888 on November 07, 2016, 11:08:23 PM
I saw some rng roulette which could go from 10 cents to illimited.... but of course they were rigged. And once I complained to a casino their Rng roulette was rigged, they completely changed it and they installed restrictions lol.
Usually, the restrictions on live roulettes are also less important than on real roulettes... but more restreint than on rng roulettes...
ghost888,
Do you have some info about this online casinos. Bitstarz and Playamo??
They both use the same type of wheel.
I see the table limits range from 1(min) to 1000 (max).
_nolinks.bitstarz.com
_nolinks.playamo.com
But Playamo only accepts Bitcoin as form of payment.
8)
I don't have anything against Bitstarz and I didn't know Playamo.
The rigged rng roulette was an instant games with the sports games. Those are really the worst. Obviously, nobody verifies if they are honest or not. After I complained to the casino, it had been replaced by a Playtech rng.
Usually, you should doubt against the casinos if you win too easily at the beginning... because before you know it, you will lose everything you won.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 01, 2016, 04:28:32 PM
Here is what you do:
Google in : Christian Kaisan Wiesbaden you tube.He is that well known German roulette pro .
You will notice that he is doing quite a bit of recording something into his note book. Could be numbers I presume. What else.
Could be numbers , but they if are, not so essential, are more important data in his notebook.
for all: please - good casinos for minimum bet unit 0.10 (10 cents) in live roulette
Sorry, all the games starting with bets at 10 cents are rigged (live or rng).
Orherwise, there is a live roulette (automatic) at 10 cents on betway. I would not advise you to play progressive bets on it.
Quote from: TopPlayer1975 on October 29, 2016, 02:44:53 AM
...bet with 31 steps progression...
Hi pal and Happy NEW Year!!!
Thank you for your contribution. Could you please give us the 31 steps of your progression?
Thanks
TopPlayer1975 must have super lucky.
I'm lost (live roulette - live croupier)
Numbers:
0, 2, 19, 0, 27, 18, 19, 17, 21, 14, 16, 13, 0, 27, 8, 3, 32, 5, (18 numbers, start betting - 31x progression:)
2, 19, 1, 25, 7, 22, 7, 8, 34, 35, 15, 28, 27, 24, 36, 2, 14, 25, 28, 32, 20, 4, 11, 2, 13, 21, 6, 0, 35, 5, 36, (- 31x no win, I'm lost :'( ) 35, 36, 30 - Only here.
18+33 = 51x not win :'(
:'(
Sorry to hear that you tried TopPlayer's method :'( .
If you followed my discussion, the final conclusion was clearly that the method was not working and he was clearly lying about his winnings. Maybe he won once or twice 20% of what he was ready to spend (600$)... Then, he disappeared so I joked on another discussion about him selling his house if he continued playing his method.
Also, his method was based on progressive bets starting with 10 cents and I warned you to not do progressive bets starting with 10 cents.
However, that's true the probability to win is really high and you can improve the method:
- first, fix your own limit of what you are really ready to spend. Not play 600$ because someone told you it will work (there is no method miracle). The probability to win with progressive bets is high but the chances to lose everything always exist.
- 2nd, don't wait for 18 losses in a row. As I clearly did the math, this will not improve your chance to win at all. You are losing your time for nothing and I have several reasons to believe it will decrease your chance to win but I can't think of any reason why it would increase your chance to win.
- I saw the neighbors coming 5, 6 and more times in a row. So, you want to play every spins and take advantage when the neighbors are coming.
- So, you really don't want to play when neighbors are not coming. So, after 5 or 6 losses in a row, switch table to avoid cold neighbors and even better, switch casino to make sure you are not being cheated by the casino.
Again, sorry for your losses :(
Thank you ghost888