Lanky's implementation of Lw's
Hi forum
I do hope that by doing this in coming days that I will be of help to someone somewhere in the world.
Let Me say from the start that Victor is the Master Teacher that created this Method in the First place.
All I did was tweak it suit Me & hopefully others will get some benefit from it.
I have not & will not ever stray too far away from Victor's Teachings.
His Method works & That is That.
We have a saying here in Australia & that is....."When you are onto a good thing stick to it."
One of the Main things that you will notice is the different ways we bet the same Method.(Sam does differently again)
Victor uses the cancellation betting plan.
And I mainly use the 6 point divisor plan.(especially when I am hunting the Ls which will be covered near the end)
Having said that I still use the first two bets from the cancellation plan when betting the Ws.
Eg: I bet 1x1 & if that bet loses I then bet 2x2
I also intermingle or mix the Lw & the LLw patterns when betting the Ws.
My patterns were Lw x 3 & LLw x 3 to define & trigger for the the bets on the Ws.
It is far better for me to explain the little tweak I have made in an example taken from one of my real session.
Which I will do in the following post.
The one thing that I can guarantee You is that Victor,Sam & Myself will be doing our very best for you all.
Lanky
Firstly to be successful with this system you have to embrace.
Victor's whole methodology.
You have to become a strategy player that tries to get the betting timeline right for when the dispersions are in your favour to win with.
That will mean that you will have to have the discipline necessary
To stop betting when you are behind & wait in virtual mode.
Not betting until the patterns turn again in your favour to give you the best chance of getting the timeline right to win the bet that you are about to have.
As Victor says you might be about to create history by having the longest Winning or Losing run ever in the history of roulette.
You will only get that chance by learning his Lw patterns.
The Man is so great & humble that He once said that these patterns have probably been there since roulette started & its just that we have never seen them before.
That is something I truly believe.
But it took Victor to see & find them & share & teach them to us.
If there is anything that I say or teach that someone anyone anywhere in the world ever wins even $1.
Then all the credit belongs to Victor 100 %.
Lanky
Ok Guys here we go with the Lw's on the LD=Last two dozens formed
Now we are going to deal with winning with the Lw & the LLw patterns only with the Ws & stopping after we hit 3 Ls
In a row Eg:LLL < we will stop betting whenever this happens.
We always have to stop when we are betting the Ws when LLL comes up
It is the most important signal that the system could be going bad with the Ws.
This is important only you won't see the true importance of it until later when we are hunting the Ls
Trust Me on this part.
I am only doing this the way that I think you would like to be taught.
I think You can see the patterns better this way & it may be quicker to learn.
Ok here we go betting the Lw & the LLw Patterns only & with them intermingled or mixed together.
I will explain this idea as we go along.
We wont be doing any betting just concentrating on the patterns
I am doing it this way so you can see the patterns better
19- -
7=2/1- <<19 & 7 are the numbers spun..2/1 are the Last two Dozens that formed.
Like 2/1 means 2nd & 1st dozens formed
15=2/1-W
25=3/2-L
33=3/2-W=( Lw x1)
7=1/3-L
12=1/3-W= (Lwx2 )
25=3/1-W
18=2/3-L
15=2/3-W= (Lw x 3 ) so the next L we will bet for the W to come.
20=2/3-W
31=3/2-W
13=2/3-W
7=1/2-L
21=2/1-W <bet=Won
14=2/1-W
20=2/1-W
(1)=1/2-W
26=3/1-L
10=1/3-W <bet=Won
34=3/1-W
24=2/3-L
7=1/2-L <bet Lost ( now bet that the LLw will form)(Lw pattern now dead)
19=2/1-W <bet=Won ( and LLw pattern alive)
29=3/2-L
32=3/2-W ( Lw x 1)
(Z)=0.....0 << bet lost
6=1/3-L <bet lost ( and Lww pattern dead )
11=1/3-W=(Lw x 2)
But you have to realise that I have got better at the patterns myself.
And I have made a slight adjustment that is more inline with what Victor first taught.
Ok so now we are going to mix the patterns a little & see what we get.
If you look back you will see its gone
LLwLwLw........just see that there is 3 single Ws mixed in with the Ls
Now if I Mark the Lw pattern in this way [ ] so its easy for you see.
L [Lw] [Lw] [Lw] then that would be (Lw x 3) so we now bet when the next L comes for the W.
We continue on.
23=2/1-L
25=3/2-L <bet=Lost ( Lw now dead )( bet that LLw forms)
(Z)=0..... <bet= Lost
7=1/3-L <bet=Lost ( 3 Ls in a row ) stop all betting & Track patterns again
If after 3 Ls=LLL comes.
I will not bet the LLW to form until there is a definite pattern formation of either
The Lw pattern by 3 or the LLw pattern by 3
29=3/1-W
19=2/3-L
9=1/2-L
7=1/2-W <(LLw x1)
36=3/1-L
17=2/3-L
12=1/2-L < LLL start to track again
11=1/2-W
35=3/1-L
17=2/3-L
6=1/2-L <LLL start to track a gain
(1)=1/2-W
29=3/1-L
13=2/3-L
22=2/3-W <LLw x1
30=3/2-W
7=1/3-L
12=1/3-W <Lw x 1
4=1/3-W
13=2/1-L
20=2/1-W < Lw x 2
If you look back you will see its gone
LLwLwLw........just see that there is 3 single Ws mixed in with the Ls
Now if I Mark the Lw pattern in this way [ ] so its easy for you see.
L [Lw] [Lw] [Lw] then that would be (Lw x 3) so we now bet when the next L comes for the W.
We continue on.
9=1/2-W
27=3/1-L
8=1/3-W <bet=Won
24=2/1-L
16=2/1-W <bet=Won
10=/2-W
21=2/1-W
35=3/2-L
32=3/2-W <bet=Won
(2)=1/3-L
16=2/1-L <bet= Lost ( Lw pattern now dead )( bet LLw will form )
6=1/2-W <bet= Won ( and LLw pattern alive )
Now here is 2nd part of mixing the patterns.
We were betting Lw right ??
But because its gone LLw we are going to bet the 2nd spin after an L comes
What we are saying is we will bet liks this L w >now bet for the W to come.=L w [w]<bet for this w to come.
We continue
26=3/1-L
30=3/1-W
34=3/1-W < bet=Won
16=2/3-L
34=3/2-W <<<now look back its gone LLwLwwLw=(Lwx3) bet W after next L(we now have both patterns alive )
24=2/3-W < bet=Won
4=1/2-L
11=1/2-W < bet=Won
16=2/1-W < bet=Won
10=1/2-W
From 76 spins
I make it 18 bets for 11 wins & 7 losses & 2 of those losses was a zero
( later we will have the zero working for not against us as more patterns unfold)
That's 61% winners just betting the Lw & the LLw patterns.
So that means we sat in virtual for 58 spins
That's because we only bet on 2 patterns on the Ws
And this was a bad pattern to be betting the Ws that Way.
But we will turn this around later.
It's the concept or the idea of the patterns that I am showing you at the moment.
Grasp that & we are on our way to better things.
Take your time.
Some will be quicker then others.
Its not about being quick its about being focused on & remembering the patterns that matters
Do this & you are getting a winning mindset.
Your Friend
Lanky
QuoteHigh Forum
These next pages will deal with winning on the Ls
WARNING
This hunting the Ls is not for everyone.
Or should I say playing the Ls to win is not for everyone.
As VICTOR says the Ls are tricky because of the dispersion is not always the same as the expectation is.
The clumping of the Ls can be spasmodic....or spaced so that they are terribly hard to win with.
However there are times that a W session is Dominated by the Ls.
So I have decided to put them here just in case you need to use it.
Now lets get one thing straight first if any of you win even $1 from doing the Lw Method this way then all the credit belongs to VICTOR.
VICTOR is the person that taught Me. His way....And I tweaked it to suit Me.
Here is the way that I play the Ls on the LD = Last 2 dozens that came.
There are 2 patterns that I look for.
(1) LLL <<and another L in the next 4 spins
(2) LLwL <<and another L in the next 4 spins
(3) TAKE NOTE I will not come off the LLw pattern to bet the Ls
While the LLw pattern is Alive I will continue betting the Ws to win.
(4)If I am betting the Ls I will continue to bet the Ls until I lose 4 bets in a row =WWWW < 4 Ws in a row.
Then I would go back to betting the Ws to win.I have got better at it & if I get better then by Me sharing You Get better as well
............................................................................................
I would like to give our fellow Moderator
Lohnro
A wrap here as Some time back He & I spent time Communicating with one another by Private messaging & over the phone constantly for a month or so.
Kicking Ideas around together As to the best way to attack the Ls.
He specialises in hunting the Ls on the JD.
His main pattern is when the JD goes wLL<<he then hunts the L to come.He only tries to win once..... He then waits another chance.
He has paid for Dinner with this method plenty of times when He takes His Lovely Wife out.
He is a good person that will share with You if You ask Him.
A demonstration on the Ls based on the numbers that Lucky did in his post in His CPM thread follows
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi forum
Hunting or Chasing the Ls.
I Have used the numbers that Lucky Posted in His Cpm thread.Just so No-one can say that I cooked the numbers up to suit myself.
These are His Numbers I did not Make them up.
Lets get straight to it.
14=1
7=1/2
27=3/1=L
30=3/1=W=Lw x 1
16=2/3=L
27=3/2=W=Lw x 2
9=1/3=L
6=1/3=W=Lw x 3=bet W after next L
18=2/1=L
26=3/2=L=1x1 lost-2
12=1/3=L=2x2 lost-6
21=2/1=L<<< Look 4th L >>bet Ls from here........................................................................
Here I am going to do something that you will think is strange.
I now take the 4 last lost bets=1122=6 & I divide them by 4
So what we are doing is now using a 4 point divisor plan to hunt the Ls With.
If it loses I can put it all into the 6 divisor plan & bet from there.
9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3
We don't Want our bets to rise too quickly.
So we will bring in the Safety brake as the divisor has reached 2/3+4/6 <<win target........6/9
20=2/3=W=6/9=2 Lost=11
10=1/2=L=6/11=2 won=13 less 6 back=7
36=3/1=L=5/7=2 Won=9 less 6 back=3 from 6=[3] Profitso now we can start again with out 1x1x2x2 betting
25=3/1=W=1 Lost –1
27=3/1=W=1 Lost –2
17=2/3=L=2 Won =4-2=2+3=[5] Profit
10=1/2=L=1 Won=2+5={7] Profit
8=1/2=W=1 Lost –1
16=2/1=W=1 Lost-2
33=3/2=L=2 Won=4-2=2+7=[9] P
7=1/3=L=1 Won=2+9=[11] P
20=2/1=L=1 Won=2+11=[13] P
9=1/2=W=1 Lost –1
36=3/1=L=1=2-1=1+13=[14]P
3=1/3=W=1 Lost –1
7=1/3=W=1 Lost –2
20=2/1=L=2 Won=4-2=2+14=[16] P
36=3/2=L=1 Won=2+16=[18] P
35=3/2=W=1 Lost –1
34=3/2=W=1 Lost –2
10=1/3=L=2 Won=4-2=2+18=[20] P
1=1/3=W=1 Lost –1
6=1/3=W=1 Lost –2
21=2/1=L=2 Won=4-2=2+20=[22] P
11=1/2=W=1 Lost –1
25=3/1=L=1 Won=2-1=1+22=[23] P
6=1/3=W=1 Lost –1
12=1/3=W=1 Lost –2
29=3/1=W=2 Lost –4
14=2/3=L=2 Won=4-4=Even & carry over the profit of [23]
13=2/3=W=1 Lost –1Numbers
26=3/2=W=1 lost -2
29=3/2=W=2 lost -4
26=3/2=W=2 lost-6
End of L run
Now look at all the patterns on the LD JD LC JC
LD:-LwLwLwLLLLnolinksLnolinksLwLLwwLLwwLLLwLwwLLwwLwwLnolinksw
JD:wwLnolinksLnolinksnolinkswwLnolinksLwwLLwwLnolinksnolinkswLwwLLwLLw
LC:-LnolinksnolinksLnolinksnolinksnolinksLLwLwwLLwwLwLLwwLLLwLwwLww
JC:wwLwwLLLwwLLLLwwLLnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswwLLnolinkswwLLwLL
Your Friend
Lanky
Hello Mr. Lanky and Victor... all my professors...
I am so sorry that I was not active for long time.
However, I still read the posts in this forum and learn a lot.
Mr Lanky , I have a question.. with hunting L's .... when do we hunt L's?
so in this case you talked about it came out Lw Lw Lw L<<bet and L came out 4 times... then decided to hunt L's right?
But in the real situation.. I mean real casion situation.. how can we really ride the wave nicely?
Finding the trends is Mr.. Victor's system all about..and of cource I understand that we can't use the same system over and over again.
But my question is how can we change or use the system for right situation?
Thank you very much and hope to hear from you soon
Joker
QuoteHello Mr. Lanky and Victor... all my professors...
I am so sorry that I was not active for long time.
However, I still read the posts in this forum and learn a lot.
Mr Lanky , I have a question.. with hunting L's .... when do we hunt L's?
so in this case you talked about it came out Lw Lw Lw L<<bet and L came out 4 times... then decided to hunt L's right?
But in the real situation.. I mean real casion situation.. how can we really ride the wave nicely?
Finding the trends is Mr.. Victor's system all about..and of cource I understand that we can't use the same system over and over again.
But my question is how can we change or use the system for right situation?
Thank you very much and hope to hear from you soon
Joker
Hi Joker My Friend.
No Mate that is wrong.
LwLwLwL<<I would be betting for the W to come here Mate.
If It was LLLwL<<I would bet Ls From Here (wLwL)
Or It it was LLwLwL<<I would bet Ls from here (wLwL).[highlight]Once the LLw & The Lww Pattern is Killed I then bet the Ls[/highlight]
Now There is no Magic Formular so that we can keep the Ls going.
Well if there is I don't Have it Cobber.
If There were we would be Millionairs Joker.
Learn to bet The Ws 1st & the Ls will become a lot easier......[highlight]This is what I have been trying to explain My Friend Betting the Ls is Tricky & not everyone can do it Because the dipsersion of Ls can be all over the place & not clumped together as much as the Ws are..[/highlight]
I lose on the Ls too Joker but Then I have to recover withe the Ws or another set of Ls.
Your Friend
Lanky
only to thank you Lanky...
your lasts posts about the Ls hunting are so clear and helpfull, and i will try to put this piece of wisdow in action in my practise sesions...
yes, im total agree... this f*** Ls are so tricky... i have "lost" so much trying to catch them, where they didnt was...
(once again, sorry my english... i suspect there was a lots of mistakes and missunderstanding... jajaja...) too puedo escribirte en español si prefieres... ;-)
the last question for today:
once i have read in an old Victors post this:
"I manage several w/l streaks: the ones for the individual systems and one for my PERSONAL winning/losing registry, so I can see in a glimpse how I'm doing, and have realistic expectations (Am I winning too much consecutively? Then a loss might come soon. Or: am I getting too many L's in "Virtual" while waiting for a win to return to real betting? Even thought I'm not actually losing those "virtual" bets, that's not a good sign of course!)."
i dont undestand what is this personal registry, how do i make it? and how may i use it?
regards & happy christmas... ;-)
your virtual friend
Renzo
QuoteQuoteHigh Forum
These next pages will deal with winning on the Ls
WARNING
This hunting the Ls is not for everyone.
Or should I say playing the Ls to win is not for everyone.
As VICTOR says the Ls are tricky because of the dispersion is not always the same as the expectation is.
The clumping of the Ls can be spasmodic....or spaced so that they are terribly hard to win with.
However there are times that a W session is Dominated by the Ls.
So I have decided to put them here just in case you need to use it.
Now lets get one thing straight first if any of you win even $1 from doing the Lw Method this way then all the credit belongs to VICTOR.
VICTOR is the person that taught Me. His way....And I tweaked it to suit Me.
Here is the way that I play the Ls on the LD = Last 2 dozens that came.
There are 2 patterns that I look for.
(1) LLL <<and another L in the next 4 spins
(2) LLwL <<and another L in the next 4 spins
(3) TAKE NOTE I will not come off the LLw pattern to bet the Ls
While the LLw pattern is Alive I will continue betting the Ws to win.
(4)If I am betting the Ls I will continue to bet the Ls until I lose 4 bets in a row =WWWW < 4 Ws in a row.
Then I would go back to betting the Ws to win.I have got better at it & if I get better then by Me sharing You Get better as well
............................................................................................
I would like to give our fellow Moderator
Lohnro
A wrap here as Some time back He & I spent time Communicating with one another by Private messaging & over the phone constantly for a month or so.
Kicking Ideas around together As to the best way to attack the Ls.
He specialises in hunting the Ls on the JD.
His main pattern is when the JD goes wLL<<he then hunts the L to come.He only tries to win once..... He then waits another chance.
He has paid for Dinner with this method plenty of times when He takes His Lovely Wife out.
He is a good person that will share with You if You ask Him.
A demonstration on the Ls based on the numbers that Lucky did in his post in His CPM thread follows
Your Friend
Lanky
Well, Lanky & Lohnro... I have tried several times a similar tactic like the Lohnro's one, the diference is that my main pattern is when the JD/JC goes wL AND THERE IS A LOT OF wWLWw CONSECUTIVES -about 5 or 6 patterns or more- AND FEW WLLW, WLLLW, WL...LW <<then I hunt the L to come behind the first L of the wWL. I only tries to win once... then I wait the next wWL, with a reasonably progression like the point divisor plan.
My reason to do this tactic is that i have seen that is too rarely or unusual that more than 12 consecutives patterns wWLWw comes, without a LL inbetween... Do you see this happens in your actuals?
I dont know if im clear... please tell if you dont understand something...
Best regards,
Renzo
QuoteWell, Lanky & Lohnro... I have tried several times a similar tactic like the Lohnro's one, the diference is that my main pattern is when the JD/JC goes wL AND THERE IS A LOT OF wWLWw CONSECUTIVES -about 5 or 6 patterns or more- AND FEW WLLW, WLLLW, WL...LW <<then I hunt the L to come behind the first L of the wWL. I only tries to win once... then I wait the next wWL, with a reasonably progression like the point divisor plan.
My reason to do this tactic is that i have seen that is too rarely or unusual that more than 12 consecutives patterns wWLWw comes, without a LL inbetween... Do you see this happens in your actuals?
I dont know if im clear... please tell if you dont understand something...
Best regards,
Renzo
Hi Renzo.
Well done Mate.......there are all sorts of successful Patterns to play the Ls on Mate.
And You have found one that suits You.
Great I am Pleased for You Cobber.
Lohnro is on Holidays at the moment & will be back in a week .....I think ??.
He Is a good Family Man & deserves a break.
Well done again Renzo I am Happy for You Mate
Your Friend
Lanky
QuoteHigh Forum
I would like to give our fellow Moderator
Lohnro
A wrap here as Some time back He & I spent time Communicating with one another by Private messaging & over the phone constantly for a month or so.
Kicking Ideas around together As to the best way to attack the Ls.
He specializes in hunting the Ls on the JD.
His main pattern is when the JD goes wLL<<he then hunts the L to come.He only tries to win once..... He then waits another chance.
He has paid for Dinner with this method plenty of times when He takes His Lovely Wife out.
He is a good person that will share with You if You ask Him.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hey Lanky and Forum. I am now back at home after a wonderful holiday with my family.
Lanky gave me many ideas about playing the L's. He has given me a lot of his time and I owe him plenty, as do most on this forum.
The way I chase the L's at the moment is to track the both the JD JC and the LD LC on a small notepad, I then wait for wLL and bet for a L 4 times using the small progression 1 2 3 4. If I lose the 10 units, I use Lanky's 6 point divisor plan to win it back. When I am in the mode of using his 6 point plan, the bet selection is the same and I target a spot for 4 spin only. If I still have not won that 10 units back in that 4 spins, I carry on when the next wLL comes along for 4 spins.
That may sound complicated but it has been working for me. I have had to cop a couple of 40-50 unit losses along the way, but I stress this is ONLY because I have not had a big enough bankroll to get me through.
I hope everybody has a Very Happy and Safe Merry Christmas!! [smiley=Santa001.gif] [smiley=Santa001.gif] [smiley=Santa001.gif]
I am trying to understand this stuff so just a beginner's question:
10=1/3-W <bet=Won
34=3/1-W
24=2/3-L
7=1/2-L <bet Lost ( now bet that the LLw will form)(Lw pattern now dead)
19=2/1-W <bet=Won ( and LLw pattern alive)
29=3/2-L
32=3/2-W ( Lw x 1)
(Z)=0.....0 <bet=Lost <===== Why a bet is placed here?? Shouldn't we expect LL and
6=1/3-L <bet lost ( and LLw pattern dead ) then bet W since LLW is our current pattern alive???
11=1/3-W=(Lw x 2)
Hope someone can answer this :)
Do you have Victor's Software for this? I will try to remember how I did the zero and get back to you. Maybe Lanky is up to answering.
Sam
Quote from: Panopticon on June 22, 2008, 03:32:04 AM
I am trying to understand this stuff so just a beginner's question:
10=1/3-W <bet=Won
34=3/1-W
24=2/3-L
7=1/2-L <bet Lost ( now bet that the LLw will form)(Lw pattern now dead)
19=2/1-W <bet=Won ( and LLw pattern alive)
29=3/2-L
32=3/2-W ( Lw x 1)
(Z)=0.....0 <bet=Lost <===== Why a bet is placed here?? Shouldn't we expect LL and
6=1/3-L <bet lost ( and LLw pattern dead ) then bet W since LLW is our current pattern alive???
11=1/3-W=(Lw x 2)
Hope someone can answer this :)
Panopticon
My Friend that was a bet at that time because the Lww pattern was alive.
And a Zero Came .
I never put the return down from the Zero or the Zero pocket in that example which is something that I normally do.
But just to make the example easier I left the return from the bet off them.
And that result is as if I was betting on a W to come & the Zero Came
And it should have read Lww Patten dead.
I Have gone back in & fixed it Mate.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
You will see the same thing further down when you get to this
QuoteWe continue on.
23=2/1-L
25=3/2-L <bet=Lost ( Lw now dead )( bet that LLw forms)
(Z)=0..... <bet= Lost
7=1/3-L <bet=Lost ( 3 Ls in a row ) stop all betting & Track patterns again
But You see my mate In real Life I would have probably won those bets on the Zero or the Zero pocket or got my Money back. Its what I do.
But for the moment just concentrate in the Lw & LLw Patterns it will make things easier for you & just ignore the bets on the Zero when you see them.
Your Friend
Lanky
Well actually it was not zero confusing me but the fact that I concentrated on LW and LLW and this was LWW!!
Anyway thanks :D
My Friend.
At The time that I wrote that post.......they are suppose to be Lw & LLw The (Lww) is an extension if you like of the way I Play the LLw Pattern.
You can read other explanations in other posts that I have done on it as well.
Once you see the Lw & LLw ..........you will see that the Lww Extension could come into play for you if you wanted to use it.
Actually if you had read the whole post 1st you woud have found this explanation on it just a little lower down in the post
QuoteNow here is 2nd part of mixing the patterns.
We were betting Lw right ??
But because its gone LLw we are going to bet the 2nd spin after an L comes
What we are saying is we will bet liks this L w >now bet for the W to come.=L w [w]<bet for this w to come.
We continue
26=3/1-L
30=3/1-W
34=3/1-W < bet=Won
16=2/3-L
34=3/2-W <<<now look back its gone LLwLwwLw=(Lwx3) bet W after next L(we now have both patterns alive )
24=2/3-W < bet=Won
4=1/2-L
11=1/2-W < bet=Won
16=2/1-W < bet=Won
10=1/2-W
Your Friend
Lanky
Just another stupid question on the divisor plan you use, I have also checked out the other post on 6 point divisor but I am a bit confused here:
I now take the 4 last lost bets=1122=6 & I divide them by 4
So what we are doing is now using a 4 point divisor plan to hunt the Ls With.
If it loses I can put it all into the 6 divisor plan & bet from there.
9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4 <= Up to here OK, you sum up your losses an divide with 4 to produce the next betting amoun
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6 But I do not get it how you calculate when you win, and also the safety brake addition
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3
We don't Want our bets to rise too quickly.
So we will bring in the Safety brake as the divisor has reached 2/3+4/6 <<win target........6/9
20=2/3=W=6/9=2 Lost=11
10=1/2=L=6/11=2 won=13 less 6 back=7
36=3/1=L=5/7=2 Won=9 less 6 back=3 from 6=[3] Profitso now we can start again with out 1x1x2x2 betting
Panopticon
My Friend it would make things a lot easier if you would put the link down that leads to the particular post that you are referring to.
By copy & paste like this
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=29.msg12641#msg12641 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=29.msg12641#msg12641)
If you click on that link It will bring you back to your post.
Or just copy the heading on the post like this & I will know where to look for it.
Re: Lanky's implementation of Lw's
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2007, 08:21:00 AM »
After all they are from some months ago & I can't remember everything I was talking about.
That would save me looking through the the different sections to find the post that you are talking about.
Like either in the Strategy Section or the 6 point Divisor section.
Ok as You can see I found the post & I will quote more of that post then you did just to make it clear what was been talked about at the time.
QuoteHi forum
Hunting or Chasing the Ls.
I Have used the numbers that Lucky Posted in His Cpm thread.Just so No-one can say that I cooked the numbers up to suit myself.
These are His Numbers I did not Make them up.
Lets get straight to it.
14=1
7=1/2
27=3/1=L
30=3/1=W=Lw x 1
16=2/3=L
27=3/2=W=Lw x 2
9=1/3=L
6=1/3=W=Lw x 3=bet W after next L
18=2/1=L
26=3/2=L=1x1 lost-2
12=1/3=L=2x2 lost-6
21=2/1=L<<< Look 4th L >>bet Ls from here........................................................................
Here I am going to do something that you will think is strange.
I now take the 4 last lost bets=1122=6 & I divide them by 4
So what we are doing is now using a 4 point divisor plan to hunt the Ls With.
If it loses I can put it all into the 6 divisor plan & bet from there.
9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3
We don't Want our bets to rise too quickly.
So we will bring in the Safety brake as the divisor has reached 2/3+4/6 <<win target........6/9
20=2/3=W=6/9=2 Lost=11
10=1/2=L=6/11=2 won=13 less 6 back=7
36=3/1=L=5/7=2 Won=9 less 6 back=3 from 6=[3] Profitso now we can start again with out 1x1x2x2 betting
Ok so your 2 questions or queries were these.
Quote29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4 <= Up to here OK, you sum up your losses an divide with 4 to produce the next betting amoun
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6 But I do not get it how you calculate when you win, and also the safety brake addition
1st answer is29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -5 << all I did here was subtract the winnings from the bet of for on the dozen that won at odds of 2/1=4 bet=win 8 (there was a mistake there anyway it should have been 5 not 4)
13-less 8 won =5 left
I did it that way so it would not be confusing.
I could have did it this way as well
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 =17 won less 12 back=5
2nd Answer is The safety brake is calculated like this Mate
at that stage the bet would have been 2/3 but because we don't let the divisor bet from 2 we have to add to it.
So all I did was add another divisor of 4 and another win target of 6 like this
2/3
4/6
............
6/9=2 to bet for the next bet
I hope this explaiins it to you Mate.
If not just ask more Questions either here on the Forum or by PM.
Your friend
Lanky
Sorry for the trouble Lanky...
Yes it was the -4 mistake that confused me, and I thought I was missing something...
I think I get the divisor usage know...
Thanks a lot :D
Quote from: Panopticon on June 23, 2008, 01:07:31 PM
Sorry for the trouble Lanky...
Yes it was the -4 mistake that confused me, and I thought I was missing something...
I think I get the divisor usage know...
Thanks a lot :D
Panopticon
You are no trouble at all Mate.
I will help anytime I can.
It was all My Fault in the 1st place Cobber by making that stupid Mistake.
I learnt something from it though Mate.
I was just as stupid back in December as I am Now.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Forum.
This is a reply to My Friend Renzo that asked me a question on a Pattern that I play on the Lw method that I learnt from Our Mentor Victor.
And I will put it here in case it helps someone else.
After all we are a Shareing Family Forum.
And people Please remember that if any good comes out of this the Credit belongs To Victor
As I learnt the Lw Method from Him
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ah, ok Lanky, thank you very much.
another item: the 2º W, the Lw(w)...
in this session how do you bet the Lw(w) only?
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Hello Mate
Ok 1st an explanation on how the Lww came about.
I designed it for 3 reasons actually
(1)=It is an extension of the LLw Pattern..
1st spin L
2nd spin L
3rd spin W <<< so here what we are really doing is laying claim to the 3rd spin spot when the the 1st L appears...See that Mate ??
So the Lww<< is exactly the same as we are still betting that at the 3rd spin it will be a W.
(2)= It identifies when we are in a Lw Lw Loop.
So the Lw pattern can become the pattern to play after that happenens.
Because the LwL << Pattern kills the Lww Pattern.
(3) It can identify when there is an L run is about to Happen.
That is if you are an L player & pleased be WARNED here betting the L's is not for everyone it can get you into trouble.
Ok Now after saying all of that on a bad run it can cause you problems.
Because I have a two stop no-no.
In other words if I lose two bets in a row I stop....And wait in virtual for the patterns to form again.
So if this happens to me LwL<< I stop then if another L comes I would bet again for a W to come to form the LLw Pattern.
Now its like this LwLL<<I bet here again now if another L comes then I stop.
Now its LwLLL << now because of my two stop loss I now can't bet for the W to come again as I would if it were off the LLw and still having the two stop loss rule.
Because then the LLLw << would have have been a winner & a break even bet for me.
Now the LLw Pattern hits on Average 83% or there abouts
The LLLw pattern hits around 95% of the time. << So in this Case I miss out on this opportunity.
For this reason I am in the middle of reviewing the Pattern & to see if its worthwhile to go to the 3rd bet loss & then stop.
And also there is somthing else with that pattern that I am Tweaking/Reviewing.
I will keep you informed My Friend....In Fact I will post any new findings on the Forum..so that it can be shared with the Family.
Mate I will most probably post some of this reply to you on the Forum.
But seein as though you have asked me to do the Lww pattern only I will under the way it was designed in the 1st place.
Now Look Cobber its virtually impossible for me to do just the Lww Pattern as it leads to other things.
However I will do it the way you requested but I have to include the LLw & The LLLw as well because it is part of it.
But take no notice of the Win ..Loss ratio as an overall picture...Because it won't be a.true reflection on what happened on the session played
because the Lw Patterns are taken out of play.
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L
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
W << bet win
L
W
W << bet win
L
L
W<< bet win
W
L
W
L << bet Lost
W
W
W
W
L
L
L << bet Lost
W << bet won
W
L
W
W << bet won
W
L
L
W<< bet won
L
W
L << bet Lost
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
L
W<< bet won
L
W
W<< bet won
W
L
W
W<< bet won
L
W
L<< bet lost
W
L
W
W
W
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Lanky,
I'm new here, so please go easy on me if I'm not making sense!
I've been testing your LW method/s (on the last 2 dozen formed, intermingling the LLW and LWW) with very good results so far (1000 spins). Please tell me if this is correct however as I am not too sure (even though it does seem to be working).
I wait for 3 LWs (if I get 1 or 2 LWs, and see LL before I see the third LW, I start tracking again).
Obviously after 3 LWs, every time I see an 'L' I bet for a 'W' (win). When I win with LW, if LWW is active I'll bet L(W)(W)
If I get LL, I bet LL(W) will occur; and at the same time, the occurance an LL also deactivates the LWs, so I start tracking them again (once I get 3 LWs again I'm back on). My question here though is if the LWW is still active, do I also bet LL(W)(W) - the (W) indicating a bet. Or did the LL kill my LWW patten (this is how I play), so I'll have to wait for another LWW before I start betting on LW(W).
Basically mate, it's the activating of the LLW/LWWs that I'm not too sure about. For instance, is the LLW always active?
To explain what I mean, please could you look at the below comments re. your recent email:-
(btw, I understand that you're not playing the LWs here as well)
L
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
W << bet win (Do you always play LL(W) even if it hasn't previously shown? Or does 3 X LWW activate it?)
L
W
W << bet win
L
L
W<< bet win
W
L
W
L << bet Lost (LWW deactived)W
W
W
W
L
L
L << bet Lost
W << bet won (I'm assuming your playing the LLLW pattern here, which i also do...it works very well for me ;D)
W (This activates LWW again, right?)
L
W
W << bet won
W
L
L (this de-activates LWW, right?)
W<< bet won (LLW still active though)
L
W
L << bet Lost (why bet here, isn't LWW de-activated?)
W
L
W
L
W
W (LWW active again?)
W
W
W
W
L
W
L (Why did you not bet for a W here???)
L
W<< bet won
L
W
W<< bet won
W
L
W
W<< bet won
L
W
L<< bet lost
W
L
W
W
W
I hope my comments make sense.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to reply to this.
Cheers and look for forward to hearing from you.
PS I am very sorry if you've already explained this in previous emails.
QuoteHi Lanky,
I'm new here, so please go easy on me if I'm not making sense!
Hi ChickenDinner
Mate
Welcome to the Family.
Great Post mate.
You have taken to this Lw Method like a duck takes to water.
I will split some of your Questions in this reply Cobber.
It will be easier for you to see.
I will put my answers under your Question.
And the main thing I see is that we both play the Lww a tad differently.
(which is what I am working on at the Moment )I've been testing your LW method/s (on the last 2 dozen formed, intermingling the LLW and LWW) with very good results so far (1000 spins). Please tell me if this is correct however as I am not too sure (even though it does seem to be working).
I wait for 3 LWs (if I get 1 or 2 LWs, and see LL before I see the third LW, I start tracking again).
Correct CobberObviously after 3 LWs, every time I see an 'L' I bet for a 'W' (win). When I win with LW, if LWW is active I'll bet L(W)(W)
Correct again if the Lww is active bet it.If I get LL, I bet LL(W) will occur; and at the same time, the occurance an LL also deactivates the LWs, so I start tracking them again (once I get 3 LWs again I'm back on).
This is Right Mate. My question here though is if the LWW is still active, do I also bet LL(W)(W) - the (W) indicating a bet.
Well that's is up to You mate.
At the moment I don't.
But hey if the pattern works for You then by all means do it. Or did the LL kill my LWW patten (this is how I play), so I'll have to wait for another LWW before I start betting on LW(W).
Well this is a Yes & a No.
The LL << did stop the win on the W
But For Me the LLw activates the Lww after it has Come.
Eg=LLwLw <now I bet for the W to come again.
It would now look like this LLwLww.<< if the W came
If the W did not Come it would be like this
LLwLwL<<and that L killed the Lww pattern for me.Basically mate, it's the activating of the LLW/LWWs that I'm not too sure about. For instance, is the LLW always active?
Yes for Me the LLw is always active it hits 83% + of the time.
There is one exception to this & that is if it goes
LLLL<< That kills the LLw,Lww & the LLLw Patterns
However if that did Happen I would turn & chase the the L's until it lost 4 times in a row or one of our pattens became active again.Now I don't recommend that you do this (play the L's) at this stage because truthfully it can get you into trouble.
Betting The L's are not for everyone.However I will put some examples here for you Mate.(1)EG=LLLLnolinksw<<I would lose the 4 bets on the L's
But I would count LLL(Lw)<< as Lw x 1
(2)EG=LLLLwLLw << I would have won 2 bets on the L's and lost 2 on the W's.......But now I would stop betting the L's because the LLw & the Lww patterns have been activated again.
(3)EG=LLLLwLwLw<< I now stop betting the L's.I would have won 2 bets on the L's & lost 3 bets on the W's but now the Lw pattern is activated for me because of this LLL(Lw)(Lw)(Lw)
Ok now even though I have only won 2 from 5 bets here its still a win Unit wise because the L's pay 2/1 or 3 back.
And you can see that even if they were flat bet it would be a 6 unit return to a 5 unit outlay= a profit of 1 on the L run.To explain what I mean, please could you look at the below comments re. your recent email:-
(btw, I understand that you're not playing the LWs here as well)
Good observation on Your part MateL
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
W << bet win (Do you always play LL(W) even if it hasn't previously shown? Or does 3 X LWW activate it?)
Yes I always do that as it is in this instance.L
W
W << bet win
L
L
W<< bet win
W
L
W
L << bet Lost (LWW deactived)
<< CorrectW
W
W
W
L
L
L << bet Lost
W << bet won (I'm assuming your playing the LLLW pattern here, which I also do...it works very well for me ) << great
W (This activates LWW again, right?)
At this stage NO for me it would not have to have gone this far because I would have activated it after LLw had comeL
W
W << bet won.
W
L
L (this de-activates LWW, right?)
This L has no bearing on the Lww for me.....why ? because there was no W to begin with.
W<< bet won (LLW still active though)
<<Yes so is LwwL
W
L << bet Lost (why bet here, isn't LWW de-activated?)
Well see this is where we differ a little in what & how we play the pattern as explained above.
At this stage I only activate the Lww after LLw has come.
It does not mean you are wrong with what you are doing.
(As I have indicated this is the part I am working on now )
I am just pointing out what I do NOWW
L
W
L
W
W (LWW active again?)
<<At the moment for Me NO W
W
W
W
L
W
L (Why did you not bet for a W here???)
Because there was no LLw to activate this pattern for me in the 1st PlaceL
W<< bet won
L
W
W<< bet won
W
L
W
W<< bet won
L
W
L<< bet lost
W
L
W
W
W
I hope my comments make sense.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to reply to this.
Cheers and look for forward to hearing from you.
PS I am very sorry if you've already explained this in previous emails.
Mate it has been an absolute pleasure for me to answer you.
I would just say to you this.
You certainly have Ability at this Cobber & I wish you well going forward.
Get you Betting to match your Ability & get the Timeline right with your Patterns along with Patience and you Have a STRATEGY That You can win with.
If It Works Do It
If It Don't Work
Stop It.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Lanky,
Thanks for your quick reply mate. I really appreciate you taking the time to go through your method with me.
What you have explained makes perfect sense. I look forward to doing some more testing with your method to see if I get different results.
The main difference between your method and the way I have been playing is with the activation of the LWW. That is, in my method the LWW is activated after one LWW show. And in yours, LLW activates it. The LWW has, so far, been a big winner for me so I might continue with my activation method...I'll do some more testing and see anyway...
Oh yeah - I like the idea that the LLW is always active. I also really like the idea of betting on the Ls (bigger returns on a win).
At the moment mate, I'm not betting real money -all my bets are practice testing (for now), so I'll see how it goes with the Ls ('cus like you said, they can get you trouble).
I've tested lots of systems recently using RNG and online casinos (repeaters, 4 number method, colour matching on dozens, turbo's possible holy grail, and others) and so far the LW method seems the most reliable (and logical - the patterns are clearly there so why not exploit them!!!). All the other systems require a huge bank roll for the scary draw downs (often resulting in chasing one number and losing shit loads while that number decides not to show for a 100+ of spins); and I'm 100% sure that such systems will fail in the long run. With the LWs though, so far I have not required at huge bank roll and reaching a target of say 10 units per session has proved well achievable. Some times I can do it in 20 minutes, other times it takes a couple of hours, but so far mate, I always seem to get there in the end.
Right, I'm off to do some more testing. I'll keep ya posted on how things go (and any suggestions I may have for improvements).
As you and Victor came up with this method, BIG respect to you both, you may well have proved Einstein wrong 8)
"The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the dealer's not looking."
Cheers for now
CD
Hi Lanky,
Just wondering what your current thoughts are on L chasing (on the LD) after a show of LLLL (chase the Ls until it lost 4 times in a row or a pattern becomes active again).
Without playing the Ls, I had a bad session the other day where I lost just over 50 units (189 spins) :(. During this (rare) session, can you believe I had 7 bloody Ls in a row (and another 5 of the bastards in a row a bit later). Also, during this hellish session the LW and LWW/LLWS were not happening for me as often they usually do. However, if I had played the Ls when triggered, I would have actually finished the session 10 units up. I know you've said that they can get you in trouble, but as you know mate, they can also get you out of trouble.
I'm now in two minds as to whether I should play the Ls or not :-\. I'm starting to think that they are essential element to LW hunting and that when things go bad the Ls can really help you out.
What I'm getting at here mate is have you generally found them to get you out of trouble more times than they get you in? For me, so far that is, it seems they do help you more than they hinder...so I guess I've answered my own question. But the problem is that I've not really tested enough sessions to be sure yet...
As always buddy, I look forward to your post.
Cheers
CD
Have you been using Lankys divisor plan it is good way to recover losses
Hi ChickenDinner
Just wondering what your current thoughts are on L chasing (on the LD) after a show of LLLL (chase the Ls until it lost 4 times in a row or a pattern becomes active again).
Well I do That most of the time now Mate.......and you are spot on Cobber.
You may want to look at the way the Master
Victor Does the L's as well.
EG:=LLL << bet Ls >>>nolinks <<stop betting L's
Both of Our ways are right ...It just depends on what patterns are being dispersed from the wheel at that particular Session.
They do make the sessions from Hell a lot easier (when Their L's Of Course )
Nothing except walking away at Your STOP LOSS can stop the Real sessions from Hell.
Like when it don't matter what you do you can't win.
I have seen
9 Ls in a row only once on the LD....and some 7 Ls as well.
But very seldom does it go past 4 or 5 Ls in a row
9 Ls in a row on the JD about 5 times ( thats 10 times the same Dozen )
But the Daddy of then all was last month in a session I played.
There was
13 Ls.. a Zero.. then 4 more Ls on the JC ( Column 1 )
Yep thats right it hit 14 times in a row then a Zero then hit 4 more times in a row.
QuoteI'm now in two minds as to whether I should play the Ls or not . I'm starting to think that they are essential element to LW hunting and that when things go bad the Ls can really help you out.
Look Your a smart guy so I think you are right to learn it....Just do it in Practice 1st...
When you think your ready PM me and I will go through the Lw Notations that you send me that you have done just to make sure your on the right Track Mate.
Another thing is that if your savvy enough you can pick up on a possible L run after it does something like this as well.......nolinksnolinkswwLnolinkswwLnolinksnolinksnolinksw(LwL)<<< this could be a trigger that the bad Times for the W's are about to start.
So can the LwL pattern be an Alert to you when Your Playing the Lww pattern & it loses.
I did mention that in the post I did for Renzo recently.
Your doing Good mate...I can tell by the questions you ask.
Just keep practising with fun money at the moment Cobber.
This is not as easy to do as it would seem to appear to be.
But You have caught on Just fine mate.
You just need to fine tune what your doing so that things don't come as a surprise to you when the bad times or runs happen.
Why?? Because You will be ready for them Cobber.
Like Sam says. ( And I have never forgotten it )
"The Roulette wheel could go take a piss in the corner and He would not be surprised."(Lmao @ Sam )
Reach that stage & neither will You my Friend.
Cheer up mate and learn from your mistakes...thats whats important at this stage.
Learn that
Its not how much You win that counts ....Its how much You don't lose that Matters.As long as we can get you to the stage that you win more then You lose Then we will have done Our Job.
Gees mate we all lose at sometime.....I am not embarrassed to admit that I have lost a session this year.
But I learnt something from it.....
That I am a F/Idiot at least once so far this Year.
( My wife would argue that its a lot more ).....Lmao
Good On Ya Mate
Lanky
Hi Lanky,
Thanks for your post buddy. From my testing, your activation of L hunting seems more reliable than "Master" Victor's way, although I have no doubt that Victor's way can, during some sessions, be equally effective. But I think I prefer your way for now.
Christ, some of your sessions from hell make mine look like a walk in the park!
You're certainly right about being prepared to expect anything, which I am starting to appreciate; and of course, having a very strict stop loss (and learning take those bad sessions on the chin) is perhaps the most important lesson. Sam's roulette wheel going for a piss comment is f'ing hilarious!
I'll keep testing and post you some notations of those interesting/freaky sessions when I get a chance.
Returning to the Ws, one question I do have is regarding the LWW pattern. From the notations you've posted, if I understand you correctly you only activate and play LWW after an LLW shows and play the next coming LW(W bet). For instance:
W
W
L
L
W (bet, LLW always active, & also now LWW is ACTIVATED)
W (DON'T PLAY HERE)
W
W
L
W
W (PLAY HERE INSTEAD - win)
W
W
L
W
L (PLAY HERE - lose - LWW DEACTIVATED)
I don't quite understand why you do this. I'm experimenting with playing LL(W bet) (W bet again), rather than waiting for the next LW to show to bet. For instance:,
W
W
L
L
W (bet - LLW always active)
W (bet here as well because LWW is was just activated)W
W
L
W
W (bet)
Have you experimented with this? It seems to have a very good hit rate.
Cheers buddy
CD
Hi ChickenDinner
Mate let me assure You That if it was not for Victor revealing all of His Lw Methods.
None of us would be having the pleasure of even trying it.
I have said this Over & Over....That if $1 is made from the Lw method played the way that I play it then all the Credit belongs to Victor.
Mate all of the patterns will work some of the Time.
But they won't work all of the time.
And because I normally have a 2 stop if you lose betting plan...I don't want this to happen too often.
LLwL...which will & does Happen on occasions doing it your way.
See LLwL< lost now L comes>>now I bet for the W on the LLw pattern and another L hits
So its now LLw(L)L(L) So I would have lost my 2 bets on the L's in Brackets.
Which denies me the chance to go for the W to come after LLL << bet here which hits approx 95%.
Here is some extracts from a session I played on the 8th july 2007 just over a year ago.
Lets see how we would have gone just playing the LLww & The Lww.
I will put the bets in Brackets after they have been activated using your way of doing it.
LwwLLw(L)LwL(L)wLLw(L)wLwwLw(w)wLw(w)Lw(w)Lw(L)Lw(w)Lw(L)LLnolinksw<<>>9 bets 5 Losses 4wins
then it went
LLw(L)ww.......................................Now its 10 bets 6 Losses & 4wins
LLw(L)Lw(w)...................................Now 12 bets 7 Losses & 5 wins
Lw(w)LLw(L)wwLLw(w).....................Now 15 bets 8 Losses & 7 wins
LLw(L)wLww...................................Now 16 bets 9 Losses & 7 wins
LwwLLw(L)wLwLwwLLw(w)wwLw(L)....Now 19 bets 11 Losses & 8 wins
LLw(L)...........................................Total is 20 bets for 12 Losses & 8 wins.
Remember this is only using the Lww & the LLww as the only winning Patterns.
But Now you can see that the LLwL & the LwL....can play havoc with the LLww & Lww patterns.
After saying all that there is still an argument for using these patterns as well on the W's
Lww.............LwL Kills it
LLww............LLwL Kills it
LLLww..........LLLwL kills it
And there is probably some who would say that after 4Ls or more that the WW could then be bet.
I don't like the Lww so much because the LwL loop kills you.( LwwLwLwwLwLwwLwL etc )
But hey when the patterns running its like money from Heaven.
Still I would steer you to be betting more on the LwLwLw Patterns then the Lww Pattern.
Mate Keep Up The Good Work.
Ask the Questions that need to be Asked.
Keep Practising to get the Timeline right with the whatever Patterns work for You.
If they don't work ....Stop it.
Mate let me say this and I say it in a Humble way not a Smart Arse way.....
Victor & I don't want you ever to be as good as us.....We want you be way better then We could ever be.
Nothing would give us more pleasure then to Learn off You one day.
Or for Us to say to one-another
"Why didn't We think of doing it that way. ??"
Good On Ya Mate
Lanky
QuoteMaster Victor
:-[ Lanky you exaggerate my friend, I'm only an "observer" and Roulette
Student. Have been, will always be.
Actually ChickenDinner, Lanky is the current person to ask about Lw. As his methodology is superior than my take. Yep, me originally sharing my Lw triggers and observations provided the basics but believe me, I've learned from the
Lanky man [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
May we all profit from each others tweaks increasingly and steadily dear friends.
Victor
Hi Lanky,
Following on from our brief chat buddy, I am very curious to hear what you are doing with the zeros that makes them your best friend. As I said in the chat, at the moment the LLW pattern is all I am playing, so I always count zero as an L. I play aggressive so that LLW or LLLW is always a 1 unit win. However, if I'm recovering from a loss, I go onto a 6 point divisor-like recovery system - with the exception of hitting LLL. When LLL hits during a recovery session, I bet the W once more (LLLW) with a bet that will only recover me to the position of being 1 unit higher than I was before LLL hit. Under all circumstance, if I get LLLL, I then turn and bet the Ls until I get a W. This way, the only bets you can lose with are on the LLLLW and less so, the LLLLLW pattern. Yet because this happen so rarely and the LLW and LLLW pattern hits are so often, it's easy to recover losses; and when you hit a run of 6 or more Ls, it's pure bliss! :) (8 is the most I've seen so far).
After about 10 sessions, I have yet to lose any. Most times I can win my target in a couple of hours, other times it takes longer. Playing with £5 units, I aim for 20 units (£100) a session. I think a £250 stop loss (which I've not yet reached) or 2 consecutive LLLLW or LLLLLW patterns should be an alert (both visually and financially) to leave the table (which has not yet happened to me in over 2,500 spins).
As I said, it is very boring sometimes - you might have to wait 40 spins or more before placing a bet. But the point is this. It's a very solid and reliable method, it does not require huge draw downs and it is working like clockwork for me ;D.
So anyway buddy, I am going keep going with this system whilst I keep looking for any other, better, ways of tweaking it.
But I am really dying to know how you playing the zero, and also what are the only 2 patterns you currently play?
As always Lanky, I look forward to your post.
Cheers
CD
PS Victor, don't be so humble - take the credit!!!
Hi Mates,
Lanky wanted to have me let everyone know that he will not be posting for a few days because he has the Flu. I just spoke with him by telephone and he sounds pretty rough. They have him on anti-biotics so hopefully he will bounce back pretty quick.
best regards,
LeBear
More rantings on the LW on the LD pattern
I forgot to mention an important thing that I think you said in a previous post somewhere: the LLLL deactivates the LLW, when only playing LLW, I wait until it shows up again (once). This avoids getting caught in a potentially devastating (or profit making) LLLLwLwLwwLLLLW L-like trap when chasing LLW and its big brother, LLLW. Also, if I see lots of consequitive LWs showing, 4 or 5 or so, I sometimes try and ride them as side bets, more so to relieve the boredom of just playing LLW! Otherwise I'll sometimes be waiting a very long time before betting, 45mins or longer - working on 10 spins every 14 minutes. However, I'm now starting to think 3 consecutive LWs is too small a number to get onboard them as you can often get caught in a 3 LW and then a LL trap WWWLWWWWWLWWWLWL(L)W, but I'm still enjoying experimenting with this as the big LW runs are too common an occurance to ignore. It is quite fascinating to watch some of the other patterns emerge and what triggers them off. For instance, WWWWWWW (7 or 8 or more) is often a trigger for a run of 4 or more Ls (WWWWWWWLLLLW), so I am thinking of not betting on the first LLW after a big show of Ws. If I had played this way more, my profits would be bigger still. Thanks for pointing me to these interesting little idiosyncrasies. The idea of turning a bad run into a good run by being more trigger cautious or by switching your hunt strategy has stood up well to my testing (I don't have exact figures, but it is now about 3,000 recorded spins in 15-20 sessions) - numbers from a mixture of live, online and recorded actuals. I'd even go so far to say that LW pattern triggers can be more reliable than a UK 5-day surf forecast!
Perhaps I'm starting to get a bit too obsessed by the whole LW thing though...I guess I'll be a lot happier when I have some more concrete-like, hard and fast, rules that will always have me changingmy trigger/hunt method at the very start of a new wave pattern. I know it's like you said, if it works for you now, great. But what works for me 1 week, doesn't necessarily work for me the next, so I go back over the numbers, look at the patterns, tweak it a bit, and retest it (as we all should). Playing only the LLW is more complicated than I thought mate, that is when you also consider the patterns that might follow, how it is triggered, where it might grow and go into a LLLW, LLLLW or a LLLLLLLL. Above all though, the great thing is that LLW is still winning a lot more than it losses & I've not hit my stop loss ;D, but, I want to be more ready for when the tide changes! :o Better still, turn it around into a chicken dinner, maybe even a steak dinner with a special dessert :P
Anyway, talking of this and the zero Lanky, have you noticed that the zero often triggers a consecutive run of Ls or Ws or rows of 4, 5 or 6 (e.g, 0WWWWWLLLLL). I was thinking about this after we chatted. Is this related to how you have started playing the zero? If this phenomenon exists it must be exploited. It could be an interesting way to avoid or hit a profitable run. Something like, after the zero shows, if either a L or W immediately repeats (0LL or -0WW, play it 'til it loses once, and then switch and play the other (swap from L run to W run hunting, or visa versa). Anyway I have not conclusively tested this idea yet but will let you know how it works out. Cheers Lanky, I'll post some Dublin Bet and Spiel bank number patterns when I get a chance.
CD
I hope you get well soon me'ol mucker (that's Bristol or Brissol style).
CD
I don't know what theory it is based on but you are right, the wheel has no memory. Randomness does repeat itself though. You can't ever know when randomness will repeat itself but you can risk a little to see if it is doing that now for you.
You want a method that works? Flat bet, wait for when a winning method starts working for you, then raise your flat bets a little until it ends. Only bet higher levels of flat betting when in stretches of winning.
Hello Topman welcom to forum. Victors Lw strategy is based on picking an event that has a high probability of success, and graph the wL patterns. When an L occurs in situation with a high probability of success, then it may be unlikely that it will happen again. Of course its not always that easy, you have to learn how to pick the patterns. Read all of Lanky's posts, and then practise graphing the results of some spins for LD = last 2 dozens hit will hit again.
Eg 5 = 1st dozen , 16 = 2nd dozen , (dozens 1 and 2) then we have 24 = 2nd dozen = win
then 36 = 3rd dozen = loss, so we have wL then last 2 dozens are now 2 and 3.
Try it and you will see it follows patterns.
It is working for me right now, and I learnt all this from reading Victor and Lanky's posts and I thank them for that.
Then you need to practise Lanky;s 6 point divisor plan probably the most underated money management on this forum.
Hi Everyone
I used to plot the wL's religiously and record the patterns that emerged with my strategy.
Typical patterns were: nolinksLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswwLLLnolinksLnolinkswwLnolinkswLLLLw etc.
While waiting for wL or wLL to occur before betting used to really frustrate me because of the 'wasted' string of ww's you'd see go racing by while you're in virtual bet mode.
I tried betting on each and every spin, tripling with each loss, to negate this but it fell apart when I reached LLLL, so now I actually wait for my strategy to collapse with a quadruple loss LLLL and then I bet maximum $250 on the two selscted columns or dozens with an insurance bet of $15 on Zero.
Very rarely does LLLL go to LLLLL.
By winning 9/10 bets you have only lost $515 yet made 9 x $250 = $2,250 minus your original $515 loss.
This waiting for LLLL takes a lot of patience. Hope it helps though,
Kind regards
Steve
Quote from: Steve on September 10, 2008, 11:51:24 PM
Hi Everyone
I used to plot the wL's religiously and record the patterns that emerged with my strategy.
Typical patterns were: nolinksLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswwLLLnolinksLnolinkswwLnolinkswLLLLw etc.
While waiting for wL or wLL to occur before betting used to really frustrate me because of the 'wasted' string of ww's you'd see go racing by while you're in virtual bet mode.
I tried betting on each and every spin, tripling with each loss, to negate this but it fell apart when I reached LLLL, so now I actually wait for my strategy to collapse with a quadruple loss LLLL and then I bet maximum $250 on the two selscted columns or dozens with an insurance bet of $15 on Zero.
Very rarely does LLLL go to LLLLL.
By winning 9/10 bets you have only lost $515 yet made 9 x $250 = $2,250 minus your original $515 loss.
This waiting for LLLL takes a lot of patience. Hope it helps though,
Kind regards
Steve
Hi Steve.
Good Post Mate.
Is your Strategy Based on the.
LD & LC >> the last 2 Dozens or Columns that have just came.
Or The.
JD & JC >> Jump Over the Dozen or Column that has just been spun.(< in this case it would take the same Dozen /Column to hit 5 times to give wLLLL)
??
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hey lanky, therer's a mistake that I think you should look at...
9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4 <----- 13 - 8 = 5 not 4 :o
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3
Quote from: Just_Gabe on June 22, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
Hey lanky, therer's a mistake that I think you should look at...
9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4 <----- 13 - 8 = 5 not 4 :o
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3
Hi Gabe .
Your Right Mate it is wrong.
Its not the 1st ime I have been wrong doing a post and it probably won't be the last time either My Friend........I am Human.
But I do thank You for picking it up for Me Mate...Well done Cobber.
Ok I found the post Gabe ..« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2007
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=29.msg878#msg878
Thank You.
Lanky.
Quote from: Steve on September 10, 2008, 11:51:24 PM
Hi Everyone
I used to plot the wL's religiously and record the patterns that emerged with my strategy.
Typical patterns were: nolinksLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswwLLLnolinksLnolinkswwLnolinkswLLLLw etc.
While waiting for wL or wLL to occur before betting used to really frustrate me because of the 'wasted' string of ww's you'd see go racing by while you're in virtual bet mode.
I tried betting on each and every spin, tripling with each loss, to negate this but it fell apart when I reached LLLL, so now I actually wait for my strategy to collapse with a quadruple loss LLLL and then I bet maximum $250 on the two selscted columns or dozens with an insurance bet of $15 on Zero.
Very rarely does LLLL go to LLLLL.
By winning 9/10 bets you have only lost $515 yet made 9 x $250 = $2,250 minus your original $515 loss.
This waiting for LLLL takes a lot of patience. Hope it helps though,
Kind regards
Steve
Hi Steve,
Interesting post, but why not wait for wLLL, then bet. If it loses triple each time for 3 bets max.
It would take a run of LLLLLL to lose ! ...very rare
It is still alot of waiting to get wLLL but less than waiting for wLLLL like you are doing.
good luck !
hammy :thumbsup:
hi Hammy take look for 100 - 150 spins for dozens then you will see that wait for more then 3 l is better like wait just for 3 depenc on how game go and experience but on my opinion4 orr 5 l is quiet ok you will break even anyway but with not much progression and if that happned
Quote from: hammy on September 13, 2009, 10:17:14 AM
Hi Steve,
Interesting post, but why not wait for wLLL, then bet. If it loses triple each time for 3 bets max.
It would take a run of LLLLLL to lose ! ...very rare
It is still alot of waiting to get wLLL but less than waiting for wLLLL like you are doing.
good luck !
hammy :thumbsup:
Hi Hammy.
Mate the post from Steve is a Year old Buddy so it might not get a reply....I hope it does.
Another thing is that I don't think that Steve gets His L's tracking the same way as Victor,I and others do.
I think He does it another way.
Lanky.
Quote from: Bo0Merang on September 13, 2009, 10:48:54 AM
hi Hammy take look for 100 - 150 spins for dozens then you will see that wait for more then 3 l is better like wait just for 3 depenc on how game go and experience but on my opinion4 orr 5 l is quiet ok you will break even anyway but with not much progression and if that happned
Hi Bo0Merang.
Seeing as though You have come into My thread and have made a comment.
And seeing as You gave no indication as to what or how Your doing things.
You have stated that its on the Dozens.
Now I want to ask You This and its really quite a simple question so there is no reason for You not to answer.
How or what are You talking about in terms of the LD.....or are You talking about the JD. ?????
You must have something really really special Mate.....because Steve has said He has a Win rate of 90%.=9/10
In a later post elsewhere on this Forum He said He got it to a 95% Win rate.=19/20
So I am sure We are all waiting for Your Explanation.
Lanky.
Lanky,
Sorry mate ! ... I didn't notice the 2008 date on Steve's post, ya just a tad old ... :lol:
I don't come here often, so thanks for the heads up !
hammy .. :)
Quote from: Lanky on September 13, 2009, 06:58:51 PM
Hi Bo0Merang.
Seeing as though You have come into My thread and have made a comment.
And seeing as You gave no indication as to what or how Your doing things.
You have stated that its on the Dozens.
Now I want to ask You This and its really quite a simple question so there is no reason for You not to answer.
How or what are You talking about in terms of the LD.....or are You talking about the JD. ?????
You must have something really really special Mate.....because Steve has said He has a Win rate of 90%.=9/10
In a later post elsewhere on this Forum He said He got it to a 95% Win rate.=19/20
So I am sure We are all waiting for Your Explanation.
Lanky.
dear cobber i talking more of columns i do not win 90 percent rate orr what ever percent rate is it it is just suit for my own counting random pattern ,so basicly nothing special becouse i do not use lw tr. for columns orr dozens i do it simple from head and experience. in fact easieest method what i run not at all time is triple hits dozens and 2 virtual losses on pattern 1 3 2 orr 2 1 3 etc i know from my own playng experience that there come time when i know exactly to put big stack and honestly it is win not everytime bot more often then loose ,times when i use progression is wery small i do like wiat for right shot im happy from that so it is depenc Lanky how this things go but anyway thanks to lw tracker i was able learn run dozens and columns easily without sowtware plus i do not play them often orr long way i play them just if their are give me best adwantage becouse normaly they unpredictable from my wiew but im sure that some mechanical system can catch them wel ... i do not like it so for me is better play them just when is adwantage on my way . simple question simple answare maybe you will not agree but im happy with my rate
Hi @lanky. MY name is Ugendar , From India. As im new to here , but im being playing in Live casino from past 6 months where i have lost more than i have won in roulette. But seeing the replies in this post seems like you have a good strategy. Can you share the post where i can clearly understand what you are telling , so that let me try too. Im not getting the terminology which are mentioned in your post.
You have to always look at the LAST date in the thread. The chances of you getting a reply is slim.
Ken
G'day Ugendar,
Even though there WON'T be a Lanky reply,
continue trying to work it out AND check out ALL You can on Lanky's Divisor.
Glenn.
What does that LWLWLW do for a serious player....r is it just for message board publication. . I personally see no value of it.