Something that bugs the heck out of me. We know that in 37/38 spins, we will have "X" number of 3 peats. I THINK the average is 3 numbers (?) It is VERY rare for this event to not happen even if it means only one number has three hits. Why cant we take something that is a FACT and make something of it? Very few factual events take place in roulette but this is one that intrigues me. I have read many ideas, but at best (I think) those ideas yield fair returns. Myself, I have tried different approaches and come QUITE close at times but as usual, nothing great. So what if we lose a session trying this? Cant we create an idea that nets more than we lose? "DUH Ken" I know. Any other thoughts on this? Ken
Hi ken, I recall a system for "3-peats" where you wait until spin 24 and bet all of the doubles with progression.
I think a very soft progression should do.
Also a limit on how many numbers to bet per cycle (i.e. never bet cycles with more than 6 doubles (or X, or Y amount of doubles).
Anyway, this is brainstorming. Plenty of others have observed this event and the easier on the brain they have come is bet every , but at the cycle the 3-peats don't come = OUCH! Specially following the doubles as they appear (i.e. no waiting for 24 spins, but adding doubles as they come).
Hi guys just my 2c worth.
I would not wait for 15 or 24 spins.
I would as sson as a number hit twice play that number as a alone entity or game. Then if a second number appears twice add that number and play that as well. And so forth. Important to me (but that is just me) I would carefully keep track of each number being played but would not employ progression.
So for instance 3 hit twice I start with a chip on 3. Only playing that number, keeping count of the spins.
Then 26 hits twice, now I would bet on that as well but keep seperate check of amount of spins. And so forth. I would flat bet only, and if a number hits stop on profit. Just a thought
Like Vic says, this is brainstorming
Cheers
Jakk
I was reading that in roulette warfare.. I think it is called law of the third
The law of the third
The "law of the third" tells us that in a complete cycle of 37 spins there will be only 24 numbers drawn one or more times, while other 13 will not apear.
In a cycle of 37 spins it is almost certainly that a number hit atleas 3 times.
After the 24 spin you will bet on all the numbers that hit 2 (and only 2 times) during the forst 24 spins. Bet these numbers using flat bets for 13 spins on the single zero wheel or 14 spins on double zero wheel. Stop playing if you have profits before reaching 13 or 14 spins.
cya have fun :)
Have been testing this (in a fashion) the last 24 hrs as described by Jakk and had quite a bit success with it. Obviously a slight progression would be required depending on the amount of doubles being backed but the most I was ever betting on was 6 no's.
Is anyone using this as a working system or was it proved to be yet another loser.
Regards
Clint
Hi Cllint
Seems like this system is saying........We have "2s wanting to become 3s"........ Like waiting for a crossing of some sort!
winkel seems to be seeping in here, doesn't he?
Sam
It certainly does Sam. Give it a quick go, there's definitely something there worth more digging ;)
Clint
Thanks, Cllint.....
Will do.....
That will be so easy using the Track3 software. Put in 24 numbers and bet all the 2's to become 3's. Jump back any time to 20 numbers and start over.
I will watch for that while I'm testing the G.U.T.
This forum works so well when people make and take suggestions!
Sam
Don't wait for 24 spins Sam, bet as soon as you get a double. See Jakkalsdraai's earlier post.
Cheers
Clint
Yes, Clint, I see........
I'm thinking.....
This looks very promising, according to my records. May have to try this on Sunday(My next casino visit). Like that it includes the 0 and 00.
Not sure I would always stop on the third hit. I see a fourth hit quite frequently.
Quote from: hoper35 on October 01, 2008, 12:42:56 AM
This looks very promising, according to my records. May have to try this on Sunday(My next casino visit). Like that it includes the 0 and 00.
but still try to avoid double zero wheels.. they have double advantage.. It is hard to beat roulette but american it is even harder
Hey gang,
gonna try and test this idea out this week (maybe even today for a bit). Will keep you all posted (as usual).
Cheers,
Matt
Hi Matt, are u looking at a Pluscoup prog?
Clint
Hey Clint,
not sure yet. I've started running some numbers and definately see potential, but trying to work out a proper betting scheme with progression. Do I wait 24 spins, or bet every time a number repeats? How long should I chase for? Endless possibilities...
Matt
I know this was a good point/thread. Its tricky as hell but hopefully together, we can all come up with something! Ken
here's hoping Ken ;) I've seen lots of "law of the third" threads in the next few years from lots of forums...
Let's see if we can find something, somehow...... :o :o :o
Quote from: xman1970 on October 01, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
I've seen lots of "law of the third" threads in the next few years from lots of forums...
You prescient devil, you!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 01, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: xman1970 on October 01, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
I've seen lots of "law of the third" threads in the next few years from lots of forums...
You prescient devil, you!
Sam
I really am starting to lose the plot big time.....
Thank you Sam for reminding me what a F*ckwit I am..... :-[ :-[ :-[
LMAO!!
F*ckwit!!! This is my new favorite saying!! Excellent!
Ah - what a F*ckwit!!
Cheers
Cannot take ANY credit Matty..... :-X
It's a Uk thing....
Check out
nolinks.viz.co.uk (nolinks://nolinks.viz.co.uk)
It was a catchphrase in the comic.....
Glad you like it though, spread the word.... 8)
Oh, don't worry F*ckwit, I will!
;D
Matt
Quote from: mattymattz on October 01, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
Oh, don't worry F*ckwit, I will!
;D
Matt
Yep think your getting the gist of it.... :D ;D :D
LOL - okay, back on topic.
I really think this is a playable idea. Testing is showing consistant hits. But it's figureing out the best way to play it that I'm working on now. I like adding a number each time it's hit twice within 36 spins. If no win within 26 spins, start over (I'm thinking). Progression/units would of course depend on the amount of numbers being covered.
For those RX users out there. Is there a way to reset the counts/records/history while still keeping the same numbers? RX is great for testing this idea, but after my first hit, I'd like to reset the history and start from a blank page. Any help would be great!
Matt
Please keep us posted how it goes Matty.....
It's an interesting idea for sure.... 8)
Bloody hell, Viz. I used to buy it when it was only sold in the Kard Bar at Newcastle just down the road before it took off. Didn't think it was still going.
Anyways, good luck Matt. Gonna make some time for testing tomorrow with a Pluscoup and see how it progresses.
Regards
Clint
Okay, first test was short, but effective. I'm simply betting enough to ensure a profit. So 1 unit on all repeats until I need to bet 2 units to ensure a profit, then 3 units, etc.
[table=,]
session,spins,results,betting opp,max units placed,max drawdown
1,108,+54,5,24(3x8numbers),84
[/table]
Session was pretty simple. My 5 betting opp. went like so:
+9
+20 (so +29 overall)
+8 (+37)
0 (+37) - this was the tougher one. Was betting 3 units on 8 numbers and hit with only 5 spins left before reaching 36 total spins.
+17 (+54 overall)
I'll keep you posted.
Matt
Okay, 2nd session started off good. I was up +124 after 115 spins, but then hit a tough patch. It did hit on the 36th spin (my last bet) but the units on each number (11) was over 10 per, so that's no good. I will keep testing but it may be worth waiting 24 numbers then betting on the repeats to hit again withing 12 spins (another idea mentioned).
Food for thought.
Matt
Some type of stop-win & stop-loss Matty ???
I find them to be a good set of rules...... 8)
I never try to win more than 25% of my bankroll ;)
Hey X,
I would also play with a stopwin/loss, but during testing I like to know what could happen, say if I jumped in right before the bad stretch.
MM
How about waiting for the third number to have 2 hits before playing any of them? I need 3 numbers to bet on for minimum table requirements anyway.
I'm also thinking of not playing more than five numbers at the same time and not playing numbers whose 2nd hit occurs after spin 30/31.
But, do I stop betting a number after it's first win or go all the way to spin 38? Results are mixed so far.
Ron.
+135, +14, +163, +126, -3, +10, +38
-14, -3, -2, 0 (no 3 nums), +21, +12
Test results so far = +497
(00 casino tables)
Average bet start at spin 19.
Stop betting individual numbers on a win.
Start over when less than 3 numbers to bet on or spin 38.
Quote from: mattymattz on October 01, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
Hey X,
I would also play with a stopwin/loss, but during testing I like to know what could happen, say if I jumped in right before the bad stretch.
MM
I'm with you Matty ;)
Was just trying to say it maybe difficult to work these values out.....
After all your NOT playing a set number of numbers (eg.12) for a set numbers of spins (eg.3)
Will be interested to see what you come up with.... :-\
good luck dude..... 8)
Hey gang,
I've just downloaded BJB's Magic GUT which should be perfect for tracking purposes.
Matt
Okay,
have set up a game plan with some rules in place. I'll run some tests to see how it goes and adjust from there if needed.
Rules
- Wait 12 spins before betting on repeats. If a 3peat has occurred already, retrack.
- Wait for 2 repeats before betting. So if you only have 1 repeat after 12 spins, keep waiting.
- Max bet on 6 repeats.
- Continue betting till you've reached 36 spins.
- If you ever hit a 3peat which you weren't betting on, stop and retrack. I will just take the loss, but a pluscoup could be implemented depending on results I guess.
That's about it... here's my first session, broken down...
[table=,]
session 1
BR,win amount,new BR,total spins
0,11,11,28
11,24,35,40
35,17,52,65
52,26,78,78
78,1,79,95
79,5,84,120
84,23,107,127
107,29,136,144
136,15,151,154
151,15,166,178
[/table]
End results: +166 units in 200 spins, Max Drawdown was -109 (first bet) and the max units bet was 24 (4 units on 6 numbers, also on the first bet).
So far, so good. I'm using the BJB and RX to test this... working well.
Matt
Matt
I have a question that has dogged me for ages. It's about your word "retrack". Here's twelve numbers with a 3 peat.
32
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
32
x
x
32
Now, when retracking, would you throw out the whole twelve and start after the last 32 or would you throw out all above the second 32 as you only have a repeat, not a 3peat left?
Personally, I would do the later, but I'd like yours and everyone's take on it.
Sam
Great point 2Cats ;)
I'm guessin everybody will be different.....
For me, I would throw out all above the second 32, which will save me some spins because I am impatient..
Good point Sam,
what I'm doing is erasing the old numbers until I have no repeats left on my chart. So, using the Magic GUT program, I go back one until only "1's" are showing, then start again.
Make sense?
Hi Matty and All,
As this is Brainstorming ......
Time ago I tested something similar to this, but included also the Hot Number, Hot Sector, Wheel Bias and Sleepers - is Roulette Warfare but is known in Spanish as Master Sequences.The bets we put sequencial from 37, 37, 37 = 110 spins
Here I put some attached tests.
Maybe bjb can code this system that uses a combination of bets.
Well he have done it for 24 spins for Winkel´s GUT I think, but this one have to cover 110 spins with the sleepers and maybe mark the hot sector and sleepers as well (a signal in the software I mean).
Cheers, :) :) ;)
JLP.-
Second test...
[table=,]
Session,2,
BR,win amount,new BR,total spins
0,0,0,27
0,31,31,42
31,30,61,70
61,-128,-67,92
-67,20,-47,109
-47,10,-37,141
-37,28,-9,148
-9,12,3,179
3,24,27,209
27,6,33,234
[/table]
A much tougher session. Things to note... in the bet that I lost, a number that I didn't cover hit, so I took the loss. Also, I would most likely play to break even after a loss... just an idea. And on the 8th bet (when I get back to the positive) I was betting 10 units on 6 numbers... this caused a max drawdown of -358. Still hit with 6 spins still to go, but it shows that if you get 6 repeats right away and then they down hit, you'd better be ready for a big bet...
Hi all, just thought I'd point this out whilst we all have our 'repeater' head on. I was reading the related topics below and found a thread 'Repeaters' in Arte's studio started by Turbo. I made a comment about betting after six spins for approx 10 spins awaiting a repeat number and nearly always hitting (forgot about it TBH).
Just ran through a series of spins and again, it hits very well. The downside is the obscene progression that would be required to last 10-15 spins.
Anyone attempted this in the past?
Regards
Clint
Forget it, the progression is worse than horrendous.
Clint
Tested my version yesterday. Two sessions of 38 numbers. Ended up -80 overall but I missed one number that I should of bet on so I should of been about 170 units better then that. Worth another try, I think.
Ron.