Hi all,
I'm new to the forum. Glad to be part of a real friendly forum.
Thank you for all the good ideias you all come up with.
I play Victor's Lw's by the book. It works for me.
After trying Vls 5 lines w/ 2 dozen as a recovery I came up with this.
Play 2 dozens as per Victor's recovery system
Play 5 units on 1 dozen and 5 on the other and 1 unit on the LAST line that hit in the uncovered dozen.
If you were playing 5 lines w/ 5 units each you would loose 25 or win +5
If you were playing 2 dozens you would loose 10 or win +5
Instead :
you win with the dozens you get +4 (instead of +5)
you loose with the dozens and win with the line -5 (instead of -10)
you loose with both -11 (instead of -10 or -25)
Cheers.
moch ;)
Here are some Hamburg spins.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi248.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg174%2Fmoch59%2F5lines.jpg&hash=7a4b1c4c4561e560f84041f2609fb7a04990edbf)
Cheers
Very good to say the least Moch!
I predict we are going to enjoy your contributions and integration with this community, yes sir! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Welcome to the crew.
Victor
Good to see you here Moch. [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Moch is actually a very skilled RX programmer. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] He wrote the code for my DS system @ VIP.
Have you written a code for this system Moch?
Cheers,
Moch
Welcom to the Family Mate.
Very good posts Cobber.
Lanky
G'day Moch
So what's your approach to losses in terms of bet progression with this system? Or do you simply intend to use a constant flat bet approach using this system? Cheers.
Tank you all for the welcome.
I forgot to thank Victor for sharing the Lw method. It's very good.
English is not my native language, so pls go easy on me :)
@Lohnro
Nice to see you again. I have not written a code for this method cause it involves human decision.
In fact I have not written codes for RX for a while. I like manual play. It allows me to get to know a system well. Little tweaks here and there are only possible this way.
@GUTCH
If I loose -5, I flat bet. If I loose -11, I use Victor's leftmost cancelation.
The extra unit in the DS does not change the overall odds. It just keeps us from using a progression on 50% of the losses (not including zeros). Of course, if my bankroll is big enough, I will use a progression in both cases.
Cheers
In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order. by Carl Jung
I'm not sure if I should post the tests here [smiley=undecided.gif]
Still climbing [smiley=smiley.gif]
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi248.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg174%2Fmoch59%2F5Lines-1.jpg&hash=c481b06813732b66cbe67042c0fb30ff6ddb794b)
Moch
Thanks for the reply. When you use the leftmost concellation system, do you increaqse the bet size of the unit you have placed on the line or does that always remain at one unit no matter how large the bet size on the dozens are? Thanks.
Hey Moch,
QuoteI'm not sure if I should post the tests here Smiley
No problem, you can post it either here or at testing zone. Be certain we won't mind.
Shall you wish to have the thread splitted to testing forum, I can do that; no problem.
Welcome moch,
You sounds like Swiss guy when you citate Carl Jung. He was my favorite long time ago.
Hermes
QuoteMoch
Thanks for the reply. When you use the leftmost concellation system, do you increaqse the bet size of the unit you have placed on the line or does that always remain at one unit no matter how large the bet size on the dozens are? Thanks.
Hi GUTCH.
I increase the unit bet to 2 and so on.
@Administrator
Hi, I dont mind if you split. Thanks
@Hermes.
Thanks mate. I prefer Freud, but Jung has an interesting view on Freud works. He took it one step further. The mysticism.
Cheers
Quote@Administrator
Hi, I dont mind if you split. Thanks
Hey Moch, my friend: yes, I'm "The Administrator", but you can call me Victor. I prefer it by the name among friends ;)
And I thought about it and this thread is good enough, no split needed. [smiley=smiley.gif]
Thanks for your contribution mate. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
QuoteQuote@Administrator
Hi, I dont mind if you split. Thanks
Hey Moch, my friend: yes, I'm "The Administrator", but you can call me Victor. I prefer it by the name among friends ;)
And I thought about it and this thread is good enough, no split needed. [smiley=smiley.gif]
Thanks for your contribution mate. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Will do, Victor 8-)
Hi there moch.
Welcome to the forum, it is great to have you around, my fellow countryman. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]
How´s Carnival going over there ? :D
Keep up the good work. Cheers from me !
Hi Moch
Another query for you. The line you play I'm assuming covers six numbers. You say to cover the line last hit, so how do you decide whether to bet on the three numbers in the street last hit plus the three to its right or its left?
Hope that makes sense. Cheers.
Me parece que es mejor, jugar con la siguiente apuesta:
1 ficha: línea
2 fichas: docena
2 fichas: docena
De esa manera, con cualquier postura gano.
Luego de perder dos veces, pasamos al siguiente nivel de apuestas:
2 Fichas : línea
3 Fichas: docena
3 Fichas: docena
Aca, si acertamos a la línea som mejores los beneficios.
La postura se continúa...
Disculpen, por mi español, y le pido al administrador, si puedo o no seguir posteando en nuestro idioma, el de Cervantes...
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
QuoteHi Moch
Another query for you. The line you play I'm assuming covers six numbers. You say to cover the line last hit, so how do you decide whether to bet on the three numbers in the street last hit plus the three to its right or its left?
Hope that makes sense. Cheers.
It makes all sense Gutch.
Look at past spins. What we want is to cover a hot double street in the uncovered dozen.
Sometimes all I will see is 2 hot streets. If so I bet those 2 streets. ;)
Cheers my friend
QuoteMe parece que es mejor, jugar con la siguiente apuesta:
1 ficha: línea
2 fichas: docena
2 fichas: docena
De esa manera, con cualquier postura gano.
Luego de perder dos veces, pasamos al siguiente nivel de apuestas:
2 Fichas : línea
3 Fichas: docena
3 Fichas: docena
Aca, si acertamos a la línea som mejores los beneficios.
La postura se continúa...
Disculpen, por mi español, y le pido al administrador, si puedo o no seguir posteando en nuestro idioma, el de Cervantes...
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
Hola Edgardo.
He vivido diez años en Venezuela, asi que mi castellano no es de todo malo [smiley=happy.gif]
Here is the translation:
Edgardo idea is to place:
1 unit on a double street
2 units on a dozen
2 units on another dozen
on a double loss
2 units on a double street
3 units on a dozen
3 units on another dozen
...and so on
Thanks Edgardo.
Here is one more test with Hamburg spins.
This table is special for me, because is the worst I ever seen. It made every system tank so far.
Seems I started with the right foot. However there is a lot of testing to be done.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi248.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg174%2Fmoch59%2F5lines-2.jpg&hash=77f68e13bb0528af90cd4248807b257f7ab15f9d)
Max drawdown 126
Max drawdown with the previous table 290
Win % on both tables 0.30$ to 0.40$ per spin (with 5$ units on dozens and 1$ unit on lines)
Edgardo,
Vamos a comparar tu forma de apostar con la mia.
Let's compare both bets, yours and mine.
Let's make it $5 bets to compare better.
Your Bets
---------------
1st bet Doz W +5
2nd bet Doz W +5
3rd bet Line W +5
4th bet L -25
Total -10
My Bets
---------------
1st bet Doz W +4
2nd bet Doz W +4
3rd bet Line L -5
4th bet L -11
Total -8
These 2 units make ALL the difference. They are my advantage. The reason why I win long term.
Your bets loose at the expected ratio.
Quote Hi there moch.
Welcome to the forum, it is great to have you around, my fellow countryman. [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]
How´s Carnival going over there ? :D
Keep up the good work. Cheers from me !
Hi Wildcard,
Thanks for welcome man. Are you already a millionaire ? ;)
Moch, si quieres comparar, empezando con 5 fichas por docena, debemos jugar 3 fichas a la línea, de este punto si empezamos. O sea:
5 fichas: Docena
5 Fichas: Docena
3 Fichas: Docena
Vemos que en todas las posturas nos da ganancia.
Your Bets
---------------
1st bet Doz W +2
2nd bet Doz W +2
3rd bet Line W +3
4th bet L -13
Total -8
Llegamos a los mismos resultados (espero no equivocarme), con la diferencia que podemos empezar de menor cantidad de apuestas, ya que lo hacemos con 2,2,1; en lugar de 5,5,1
Un gusto que hables mi idioma, y tu método me parecio muy simple y como todo lo simple excelente. La fuerza que toma con la cobertura de la línea es increible.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
QuoteMoch, si quieres comparar, empezando con 5 fichas por docena, debemos jugar 3 fichas a la línea, de este punto si empezamos. O sea:
5 fichas: Docena
5 Fichas: Docena
3 Fichas: Docena
Vemos que en todas las posturas nos da ganancia.
Your Bets
---------------
1st bet Doz W +2
2nd bet Doz W +2
3rd bet Line W +3
4th bet L -13
Total -8
Llegamos a los mismos resultados (espero no equivocarme), con la diferencia que podemos empezar de menor cantidad de apuestas, ya que lo hacemos con 2,2,1; en lugar de 5,5,1
Un gusto que hables mi idioma, y tu método me parecio muy simple y como todo lo simple excelente. La fuerza que toma con la cobertura de la línea es increible.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
You are correct :-[
The right comparision would be
1st bet doz 8 +4
2nd bet doz 8 +4
3rd bet line 4 +4
4t bet loose -20
total= -8
I use 11 units to win 4
you use 20 " to win 4
However you are expected to win some units with the line. I don't.
It's the same as betting 5 lines.
Sorry guys. I don't know what I was thinking back then :-/
cheers
moch
QuoteDisculpen, por mi español, y le pido al administrador, si puedo o no seguir posteando en nuestro idioma, el de Cervantes...
Publica tranquilo, que cuando tengo tiempo lo traduzco, pero es es bueno que la colaboración ya esté.
Muchas gracias Edgardo, postea tranquilo.
Hi there everyone, hola a todos.
Im new in the forum but i was reading some time ago. I must say congratulations for the nice job in here.
Well, just wondering where to find this victor´s book, i dont really know this system.
Thanks in advance
Cheers
QuoteWell, just wondering where to find this victor´s book
My "Free e-Book" (Strategy-play thread ;)) has been lost at the Roulette Forum's hacking incident :-/
We are re-making the strategy / situational-play teachings around here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?board=strategy , and certainly you can see the results exposed from others' contributions that started there. i.e. Lanky.
Also, go to nolinks://gambling.projectsydney.com and search for "VLSroulette", I left several "fixed" systems & money management at their system's library.
Best regards and
welcome to the crew! [smiley=3/thumbup.gif]
Victor
Im still not quite sure how to play this moch...
It is just playing victors Lw on 2 dozens and as well as bet on the last line (with a wager thats one fifth the size of the bet on one of the dozens - ie $10 on the doz so $2 on the line).
Please correct me if im wrong (most likely ::) )
@VLS roulette
Thanks lot!
Ill try to get it [smiley=rolleyes.gif]
Cheers
QuoteIm still not quite sure how to play this moch...
It is just playing victors Lw on 2 dozens and as well as bet on the last line (with a wager thats one fifth the size of the bet on one of the dozens - ie $10 on the doz so $2 on the line).
Please correct me if im wrong (most likely ::) )
You are correct. :)
I deviated a bit from VLS production stage. It's a more agressive approach I am doing.
Wait for an Lw or Lxxw and bet on the jump. Let me give an example
A repeat in dozens is an L for me, whereas a jump is a w.
11
36
14
23 doz 2 repeats. Wait for a w (a jump)
19
33 It jumped
Bet the dozen will not repeat this time. 5 units on dozen 1, 5 units on dozen 2 and 1 unit on line 31-36
Most of the times you win right away. Except when this pattern is trending 2,9,14,22,35,37.
The system will loose here. Time to enter virtual mode I guess.
Start charting again
3 - you win +4
Start tracking again
14
32
24
9
22
11
13
30
28 doz 3 repeats. Wait for a w (a jump)
15 It jumped. Bet it will not repeat this time.
If you look back you'll see there is no hot line, but 2 hot streets
In this case I would place 1 unit on street 13-15 and 1 unit on street 22-24
25 win +3
Start charting.
2
25
19
25
13
27
18
12
9 -repeat doz 1. Wait for a jump in dozens
1
5
11
36 - It jumped. Bet it will jump again. Bet 5 dozen 1 and 5 dozen 2.
last line was 31-36, but line 25-30 is hot. bet 1 unit line 25-30
28- we loose -5 .
Start tracking again
If instead of number 29, number 36 would have hit, I would loose -11, instead of -5
If I loose -5, I flat bet. If loose -11, I work some kind of a progression.
I am working on a recovery system. But have found nothing good yet. I would use Victor's leftmost cancelation.
We can use Edgardo type of betting. In order to win + 4 he would have to bet 8 on a dozen, 8 on the other dozen and 4 on the line. On a full loss we would loose -20. However he would win some units with +4 line bet.
My bet is more conservative for the bankroll. On a full loss I loose -11 instead -20. Since the hit ratio is good, I prefer my way. I like to protect my bankroll.
Cheers