I have some questions with regards to turbo's system but it seems he is not responding to me PMs and emails and for goodness sake he has a section here and not responding to the messages at all.
Is he very busy with systems on hand?
Or he simply doesn't give a hoot about his systems and his section here
Moderators,do you think it is right for turbo to have a section here but remain uncontactable for so long as if he has evaporated into the air?
see
We just have no way of knowing what's in this fellows life right now. What would it accomplish to take down his section? Some day he may come back and say something. Frankly, I doubt it. But he may.
Sam
Hi mates, genius or not, I have a big deal of respect towards turbo.
Actually the gist of this section was to have a place to archive and discuss each one of his system with its own thread, having him around is a plus.
I know he is a busy man and he has expressed his desire of having a rest from posting, but I think his section must stay for the sake of the studying and tweaking of his systems.
Fair comment VLS [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 13, 2008, 07:21:47 PM
see
We just have no way of knowing what's in this fellows life right now. What would it accomplish to take down his section? Some day he may come back and say something. Frankly, I doubt it. But he may.
Sam
Sam let's keep our fingers cross and hope he does come back ;)
Quote from: VLSroulette on October 13, 2008, 11:35:27 PM
Hi mates, genius or not, I have a big deal of respect towards turbo.
Actually the gist of this section was to have a place to archive and discuss each one of his system with its own thread, having him around is a plus.
I know he is a busy man and he has expressed his desire of having a rest from posting, but I think his section must stay for the sake of the studying and tweaking of his systems.
I do agree that keeping his section for the studying of his system is a plus point but if someone misunderstand anything at all with regards to his systems and start to play for real then i smell trouble.
Don't play a system that you don't fully understand.
Quote from: Shorty on October 14, 2008, 02:56:12 AM
Don't play a system that you don't fully understand.
Hello shorty,
thank you for your comments,that is the reason why turbo is needed in his section to guide and coach people on his systems ;)
Anyone think of this........??
Maybe he just doesn't want to face the Inquisition the way winkel and Mr Chips have!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 14, 2008, 06:41:55 AM
Anyone think of this........??
Maybe he just doesn't want to face the Inquisition the way winkel and Mr Chips have!
Sam
Well if you have nothing to hide and your methods do work,what's there to face?Yes Winkel and Mr Chips do face nonsense from others but not forgetting those who tried their methods and know they do work are always there to back them when face with a difficult person.
See
I see your point!
If I had a good money-making system and I tried to explain it and had all the flak thrown at me that they get thrown at them---I'd work by email with only the ones who wanted to learn! It's just as easy to type an email to ten people as one, so why post publicly and endure the harassment?
When I'm just making a comment I can take all they dish out, but If I were giving something of value away--something I had made money with for years--I'd just fold my tent when the arrows started flying.
As I told Victor once, the people who harassed him daily were probably using his methods to make money and just wouldn't give him the credit for it. Gamlet and /Compa are gone because of just this. Every person we lose due to disrespect has a tiny bit of knowledge they take with them. We should think of that daily. If everyone takes their piece of the jig-saw puzzle and leaves, we have scant little to work with!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 14, 2008, 06:58:42 AM
See
I see your point!
If I had a good money-making system and I tried to explain it and had all the flak thrown at me that they get thrown at them---I'd work by email with only the ones who wanted to learn! It's just as easy to type an email to ten people as one, so why post publicly and endure the harassment?
When I'm just making a comment I can take all they dish out, but If I were giving something of value away--something I had made money with for years--I'd just fold my tent when the arrows started flying.
As I told Victor once, the people who harassed him daily were probably using his methods to make money and just wouldn't give him the credit for it. Gamlet and /Compa are gone because of just this. Every person we lose due to disrespect has a tiny bit of knowledge they take with them. We should think of that daily. If everyone takes their piece of the jig-saw puzzle and leaves, we have scant little to work with!
Sam
Well Sam,I guess there is nothing much you and I could do but I hope we have a better tomorrow in this place always.Like I said,credit must be given to those who are kind enough to at least show the way for better and more profitable roulette play but that is playing at your own risk if you lose due to lack of experience then take it like a man.Lanky thought me the Lw and hey I thought I was good enough to play with real money and I lose 500 units playing with real money,I didn't blame him did I? it is a very good method and I am just not good enough to play real money.Flamers and trouble makers always spoil the show,isn't it sam? ::)
Blame yourself for your own loss not others and when people teach your stuff don't blame them when it fails.
i dont blame the guy for taking time out from the forum, it can get tiresome posting all the time, especially if there are loads of different questions to be answered, posts can take alot of time to write sometimes, also it is not always correct to depend on the teacher, the teacher can only guide, it is up to the pupil to master it
Quote from: ryan08 on October 17, 2008, 10:25:32 PM
..... also it is not always correct to depend on the teacher, the teacher can only guide, it is up to the pupil to master it
Well said, ryan08.
Countless times across numerous forums I have visited or participated in over the years I have seen the posts of dozens of detractor's of the folks who posted excellent plans or potentially excellent plans. In the end it was the detractors, the ones who said it wouldn't or couldn't work, who:
1. never played the plan.
2. if they did play, they completely screwed it up by not following the plan - hence a loss.
3. they failed to play / test against a real wheel or real wheel data.
and the list goes on.
As to Turbo - I have several major thoughts about that young man. Suffice to say that for a long time he was burning the candle at both ends and life probably caught up with him. A bit of burn out would be completely understandable. Plus he had a seriously ill child which I am sure put crushing pressure on him as well. I hope all is well at his home and he and his family are doing ok.
It has also occurred to me that he may have taken a large sum of money to an AC casino and blew it all on a personal plan which, of course, would cause doldrums, anxiety and the need to rethink everything.
It is one thing to beat an RNG and quite another a real wheel. Turbo and I have gone round and round on that point since we first encountered each other. That in no way diminishes his zeal/zest to craft a plan that will work, which I admire.
No one can really "beat" the wheel (esp. a 00 wheel we Americans are faced with). The best we can hope for is a few good wins which puts us in profit every time we play a session. I say take the money and run when that happens.
In any case, I ferverently hope that his absence is not due to ill health of either himself or of his family.
Jerek.
Nothing wrong with that Cobber.
My Mate why don't You repost what You said.
As that Quote won't be in it this time.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Talesman,
forget it,its nothing much anyway ;)
Okay mates, let's remember we've got a "pit" for posts which are into the polemic side with reported content, in order to keep the right for people to express. Granted, the post has been reported for the wording, but it doesn't contain any copyrighted or illegal material (a reported post with copyrighted material should be removed inmediatly, that is for sure). Now, in such cases where there isn't any material like that and just opinions, let's just move them to the pit. I've done it already, the posts are in the pit now:
Re: Why is turbo missing? (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/papelera-de-reciclaje/t3923/)
Hope this is the right move. That's what "the pit" is there for, so non-illegal (but reportedly sensitive) post be there away from the sensitive, estimated, fellow members; who have the right to report to keep the productivity sections clean, but also aren't adviced to not enter the pit.
...Truly hope this is the right move and we debate this issue further (pro's and con's) like the grown-up mature gentlemen we are.
Best regards,
Victor
It is unfair that some who didn't provided single thing talk bad things about turbo.. Some people should learn to respect some work..
Turbo is maybe missing for a reson.. Why would someone bother to prove something to someone with rude altitude..
Maybe he is just busy or out of time..
BOO!
Why would someone bother to prove something to someone with rude altitude..
Good question. This should be one for Mr Chips and winkel!
Sam
I respect both Mr Chips and winkel.. They could both back up and leave everyone because of some individuals who are making statements without solid evidence.. But they are here for a few people who actualy want to learn something and I respect that, and everyone else should respect that.. Some criticism is good somethimes, but talking about what is totaly stupid and doesn't make sense because someone doesn't understeand.. that is just not cool :)
Quote from: Boo_Ray on October 19, 2008, 03:23:23 AM
It is unfair that some who didn't provided single thing talk bad things about turbo.. Some people should learn to respect some work..
Turbo is maybe missing for a reson.. Why would someone bother to prove something to someone with rude altitude..
Maybe he is just busy or out of time..
Helllo Boo Ray.
I have wrote emails to him even PM him with regards to his system,I think all it takes is to make a simple reply,I don't think that is difficult.Am I asking for too much mate honestly?
Quote from: Mr Chips on October 19, 2008, 06:27:57 AM
The best way to silence critics is produce irrefutable results. Over at GG Turbo and me disagreed on just about everything and we also received our fair share of flak, Turbo more than most.
This is the best forum for proving that a system really works or not. I will not be criticising Turbo here, but I will say that if he does return then there is no excuse, he should produce an original system and not a re-hash of other systems, that have proven to fail and produce incredible down turns.
Unfortunately Turbo's claims over systems and other remarks he has made, has annoyed such people as Bago and others who are always hot on his tail. The only way to silence them, is as I have said produce an original system, don't make wild claims about it, let others decide on it's merits.
Both Winkel and myself have produced original systems and I hope Turbo will at some future date, also come up with something new and surprise all of us especially his critics.
Mr Chips
I don't care what others think,myself and the majority I guess have much faith in the GUT and 4 Selecta.Its is deep its needs to be consulted constantly there is the reason we need the both of you here to mentor with your original systems before some no brainer starts to misinterpret and do the wrong way lose money and come blaming both of you.
Quote from: see_jerek on October 19, 2008, 06:23:54 AM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on October 19, 2008, 03:23:23 AM
It is unfair that some who didn't provided single thing talk bad things about turbo.. Some people should learn to respect some work..
Turbo is maybe missing for a reson.. Why would someone bother to prove something to someone with rude altitude..
Maybe he is just busy or out of time..
Helllo Boo Ray.
I have wrote emails to him even PM him with regards to his system,I think all it takes is to make a simple reply,I don't think that is difficult.Am I asking for too much mate honestly?
By rude altitude I didnt mean you... He would proobably reply but he must be out of town or something..
Quote from: Boo_Ray on October 19, 2008, 07:03:49 AM
Quote from: see_jerek on October 19, 2008, 06:23:54 AM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on October 19, 2008, 03:23:23 AM
It is unfair that some who didn't provided single thing talk bad things about turbo.. Some people should learn to respect some work..
Turbo is maybe missing for a reson.. Why would someone bother to prove something to someone with rude altitude..
Maybe he is just busy or out of time..
Helllo Boo Ray.
I have wrote emails to him even PM him with regards to his system,I think all it takes is to make a simple reply,I don't think that is difficult.Am I asking for too much mate honestly?
By rude altitude I didnt mean you... He would proobably reply but he must be out of town or something..
I hope so boo ray,he got some really interesting systems and I wish to seek some advice from him
Not to mention the fact that others found it wrong as well.>>>
Well, thats good enough for me. Censored societies never flourish, neither do censored forums. ;D ;D ;D
Maybe you can contact him via his website nolinks://nolinks.freewebs.com/turbogenius/ (nolinks://nolinks.freewebs.com/turbogenius/)
Quote from: JHM on October 24, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
Maybe you can contact him via his website nolinks://nolinks.freewebs.com/turbogenius/ (nolinks://nolinks.freewebs.com/turbogenius/)
Hi Jhm,
I did! However,he gave me the cold shoulder as well :'(
That would mean, did he reply or didn't he?
Quote from: JHM on October 24, 2008, 07:02:58 PM
That would mean, did he reply or didn't he?
He didn't :(
Hey Jerek....
Looks like the man doesn't wish to be found.......
If I was you I'd respect his decision.....
Hey Talesman. One question mate. What does your husband say of all of this?
Jakk
He posted on GG a couple of weeks ago.
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He posted to say Merry Christmas. The guy wants to be left alone (for now), lets respect that. Ken